Silva or the club

[Somerset Fulham]

I don't think that is Lofe4FFC's view, Arthur.  He ran Mick's initial post through AI and it spat that out.

Yes, I know. My post refers to the fact he ran it through AI. What is his view, however, is that I might treat Mick's post differently. I was merely explaining why my opinion of it does not need to change.

Understood.

Apologies for any confusion!

[MickTheBeard]

@love4ffc Brilliant 👍👊👏

thanks for editing my bad English much appreciated but reading between the lines the money we are losing,we will not compete and our time in the top flight will end. Mick

[Twig]

I have no dislike whatsoever of Tony Khan. I have never felt it was right to appoint him as DoF and I think he made plenty of mistakes in that role. However, never having met him how can I like or dislike the man?

No idea... I stated anti Tony Khan...

Strangely you don't think it's right to appoint him, but you've never met him... I'm assuming he was appointed by somebody that knows him very well - his Father....

I haven't really got an opinion other than have we improved or not..my opinion is yes we've improved

I did not think it was right to appoint TK as he had no experience of football, no technical insights to contribute, no network in the industry. However I have. No idea whether I would like or dislike him were we to meet. You can say I am anti his appointment as DoF but not that I am anti TK. I hope that is clear now.

As to the Khan family as owners I have only posted positively about them in that respect.

[Twig]

Personally I think Mick can make some interesting observations. His knowledge of our youth set up is deeper than any other poster I have seen on here, including those on here who disparage him, fall asleep or read him in depth but don't understand his points.

Ok, he does tend to the negative and has been consistently critical of TK but not all his posts are of that ilk. Disagree with him by all means but sweeping and patronising dismissals reflect more poorly on the poster than on Mick imo.

Seeing as you've referenced me indirectly, I would add that because Mick attends Academy matches, this doesn't make his opinion as to how well the Club is running it correct - any more than my attending our P.L. games automatically makes my opinion on first XI matters the right one. I have tried to engage in earnest discussions with Mick about his views on the Academy and Tony Khan. He has never bothered to respond.

I referenced Mick's knowledge of our junior teams to illustrate that his posts often have valuable content if one can be bothered to pick through them. He demonstrably knows more about that aspect of FFC than any other poster on this board. In that context I don't understand your point about attending PL games.
The main thrust of my post was to plead for some tolerance and understanding on this board and I referenced one or two examples of posts that I felt failed to show that understanding. We are a community and I don't think we do ourselves any favours by belittling one another.

[H4usuallysitting]

I have no dislike whatsoever of Tony Khan. I have never felt it was right to appoint him as DoF and I think he made plenty of mistakes in that role. However, never having met him how can I like or dislike the man?

No idea... I stated anti Tony Khan...

Strangely you don't think it's right to appoint him, but you've never met him... I'm assuming he was appointed by somebody that knows him very well - his Father....

I haven't really got an opinion other than have we improved or not..my opinion is yes we've improved

I did not think it was right to appoint TK as he had no experience of football, no technical insights to contribute, no network in the industry. However I have. No idea whether I would like or dislike him were we to meet. You can say I am anti his appointment as DoF but not that I am anti TK. I hope that is clear now.

As to the Khan family as owners I have only posted positively about them in that respect.

Again, I'm assuming Tony Khan is a financial man, maybe his Father felt it was wise to have somebody pushing the final button that has a handle on the money...

Again I'm assuming Tony Khan doesn't actively scout or even look at new players...this is done by committee & a list of targets are sought...

The Khan's have said from day one that Fulham should be sustainable....

[bill taylors apprentice]

Putting aside the amount of money we have available and the perceived long drawn out negotiations, IMO we do seem to fail in two areas.

The academy is elite and produces plenty of talent and I know the modern game doesn't always dictate the need for power and height but no physically strong and tall players are coming through.
In fact if you look at the 18's & 21's over several years now it's almost impssible to find a potential Muniz, Lukic or Cuenca?

There's an obvious comparison between us and clubs like BHA, the Bees and even CP suggesting to me a big difference in how they scout and buy.

Over a period of time excellent talent is recruited at these clubs for reasonable sums that are PL ready or at least close to being ready with some eventually sold at big profits.

Looking back several years there appears to be no system in place to do this at Fulham apart from the odd long term purchase eg Muniz.

Of course there's no guarantee BHA's system will deliver but IMO we are missing a trick with our way of developing future PL talent and 1st team scouting and recruitment.

[Logicalman]

It might be better for the forum if when responding to a post (which is not obligatory btw) members could actually address what the OP wrote.

We can all agree that when it comes to Mick that his writing, with the obvious lack of punctuation, can make for a difficult read, and if that either dulls the mind or causes a person's senses grief, then just skip over it and open a topic that is of more interest. Perhaps when the OP is written by a particular poster you don't wish to read, then maybe not even open the thread at all, and save some time to read threads that are more suited to one's taste.

FoF is a forum for Fulham fans, and we encourage members of all walks of life, health conditions, age, education, sex and location (to name just a few), to post their thoughts, particularly regarding the club, in the same way we encourage other such members to post responses that add to the topic rather than comments intended solely to be personal towards the OP or their style of writing.

[Arthur]

Personally I think Mick can make some interesting observations. His knowledge of our youth set up is deeper than any other poster I have seen on here, including those on here who disparage him, fall asleep or read him in depth but don't understand his points.

Seeing as you've referenced me indirectly, I would add that because Mick attends Academy matches, this doesn't make his opinion as to how well the Club is running it correct - any more than my attending our P.L. games automatically makes my opinion on first XI matters the right one. I have tried to engage in earnest discussions with Mick about his views on the Academy and Tony Khan. He has never bothered to respond.

I referenced Mick's knowledge of our junior teams to illustrate that his posts often have valuable content if one can be bothered to pick through them. He demonstrably knows more about that aspect of FFC than any other poster on this board. In that context I don't understand your point about attending PL games.

I am making the point that knowledge and understanding don't necessarily go hand in hand. Attending Academy matches adds to Mick's knowledge. However, from the opinions he expresses about the way our Academy is run, I don't think his understanding is superior. Many more of us on here attend P.L. matches. The opinions we hold about the first XI can not only differ greatly but differ greatly in their accuracy. It serves as a parallel example that the same can also be true of someone who watches the Academy teams. I trust this explains my point.

The main thrust of my post was to plead for some tolerance and understanding on this board and I referenced one or two examples of posts that I felt failed to show that understanding. We are a community and I don't think we do ourselves any favours by belittling one another.

In which case, I am disappointed that you lumped me in with those whom you consider to be belittling him.

I responded to another post that was urging us 'to try to understand the point he (Mick) is making' with the view Mick's post didn't have a point to it. I then supported my opinion in answer to another post. That's not belittling Mick. He, you, or anyone else can counter my reasoning if you wish.

[Twig]

I have no dislike whatsoever of Tony Khan. I have never felt it was right to appoint him as DoF and I think he made plenty of mistakes in that role. However, never having met him how can I like or dislike the man?

No idea... I stated anti Tony Khan...

Strangely you don't think it's right to appoint him, but you've never met him... I'm assuming he was appointed by somebody that knows him very well - his Father....

I haven't really got an opinion other than have we improved or not..my opinion is yes we've improved

I did not think it was right to appoint TK as he had no experience of football, no technical insights to contribute, no network in the industry. However I have. No idea whether I would like or dislike him were we to meet. You can say I am anti his appointment as DoF but not that I am anti TK. I hope that is clear now.

As to the Khan family as owners I have only posted positively about them in that respect.

Again, I'm assuming Tony Khan is a financial man, maybe his Father felt it was wise to have somebody pushing the final button that has a handle on the money...

Again I'm assuming Tony Khan doesn't actively scout or even look at new players...this is done by committee & a list of targets are sought...

The Khan's have said from day one that Fulham should be sustainable....

And I agree. However that would suggest to me that he should have been appointed as Ops Director or possibly Commercial Director. I just wish he hadn't taken the role of DoF, we certainly made mistakes in the transfer market (and contract extension decisions). I have no idea how much of that was down to TK, but even setting that aside his appointment in the role has blocked us from bringing in a qualified DoF which I think could have added real value.

[Twig]

Personally I think Mick can make some interesting observations. His knowledge of our youth set up is deeper than any other poster I have seen on here, including those on here who disparage him, fall asleep or read him in depth but don't understand his points.

Seeing as you've referenced me indirectly, I would add that because Mick attends Academy matches, this doesn't make his opinion as to how well the Club is running it correct - any more than my attending our P.L. games automatically makes my opinion on first XI matters the right one. I have tried to engage in earnest discussions with Mick about his views on the Academy and Tony Khan. He has never bothered to respond.

I referenced Mick's knowledge of our junior teams to illustrate that his posts often have valuable content if one can be bothered to pick through them. He demonstrably knows more about that aspect of FFC than any other poster on this board. In that context I don't understand your point about attending PL games.

I am making the point that knowledge and understanding don't necessarily go hand in hand. Attending Academy matches adds to Mick's knowledge. However, from the opinions he expresses about the way our Academy is run, I don't think his understanding is superior. Many more of us on here attend P.L. matches. The opinions we hold about the first XI can not only differ greatly but differ greatly in their accuracy. It serves as a parallel example that the same can also be true of someone who watches the Academy teams. I trust this explains my point.

The main thrust of my post was to plead for some tolerance and understanding on this board and I referenced one or two examples of posts that I felt failed to show that understanding. We are a community and I don't think we do ourselves any favours by belittling one another.

In which case, I am disappointed that you lumped me in with those whom you consider to be belittling him.

I responded to another post that was urging us 'to try to understand the point he (Mick) is making' with the view Mick's post didn't have a point to it. I then supported my opinion in answer to another post. That's not belittling Mick. He, you, or anyone else can counter my reasoning if you wish.

Sorry if you didn't intend to belittle him and apologies if I included you unfairly. I tend to disagree that there was no point to his post but that's an entirely different debate that I wasn't really seeking to provoke or enter in to.

[Arthur]

Sorry if you didn't intend to belittle him and apologies if I included you unfairly.

I appreciate your response.