Raúl v Mitro. Have a look at the stats

[Chi_FFC]

@Chi_FFC you could also look at his goalscoring record at other teams and it shows that he scored goals at a very high rate whenever he was in a good team.

Eh, Belgium/the Championship/Saudi Arabia/etc. ain't the PL. 

[SerbianLad]

@Chi_FFC you could also look at his goalscoring record at other teams and it shows that he scored goals at a very high rate whenever he was in a good team.

Eh, Belgium/the Championship/Saudi Arabia/etc. ain't the PL. 

The point is, when he is in a good team, relative to the quality of the competition, he produces. Partizan is a good team in terms of the relative quality of the Serbian league, same goes for Anderlecht and Belgian league, or Fulham in the Championship under Jokanovic/Parker/Silva. Serbia, is a decent, of not great team in the international format. He scored at all those teams at a great rate. In terms of his PL teams, only the PL season under Marco is comparable as it was at a good team.

Or do you think the season under Parker is a fair reflection of the quality of player that played in it? If you look at that team, most of them heavily underperformed that year. Lookman came pretty close to winning Ballon D'or ffs. Anguissa has been one of the best and most consistent players for Napoli who have been one of the best teams in Italy since he arrived.

[Chi_FFC]

@Chi_FFC you could also look at his goalscoring record at other teams and it shows that he scored goals at a very high rate whenever he was in a good team.

Eh, Belgium/the Championship/Saudi Arabia/etc. ain't the PL. 

The point is, when he is in a good team, relative to the quality of the competition, he produces.

Never said he didn't produce. I'm just skeptical that he would have continued scoring a npg every 200 minutes in the PL, that's all. And I think you're making far too much of a really good 2000 minute sample while ignoring anything that may paint a less rosy picture of his potential production. But again, we'll never know.

[SerbianLad]

Never said he didn't produce. I'm just skeptical that he would have continued scoring a npg every 200 minutes in the PL, that's all. And I think you're making far too much of a really good 2000 minute sample while ignoring anything that may paint a less rosy picture of his potential production. But again, we'll never know.

And I think you're making too much of terrible two seasons where we were arguably the worst team in the league(both times). Also Mitro played through injury for around half of that season under Marco.

But, at the end of the day, like I've already said, I don't think it's that important to begin with, considering Mitro's been out of Fulham for a considerable time now. I really don't know why people continue to start topics about him. Move on.

[Snibbo]

Never said he didn't produce. I'm just skeptical that he would have continued scoring a npg every 200 minutes in the PL, that's all. And I think you're making far too much of a really good 2000 minute sample while ignoring anything that may paint a less rosy picture of his potential production. But again, we'll never know.

But, at the end of the day, like I've already said, I don't think it's that important to begin with, considering Mitro's been out of Fulham for a considerable time now. I really don't know why people continue to start topics about him. Move on.

It's very relevant in putting Raúl's record in some sort of perspective, especially when it is said that we never replaced Mitro. Mitro was a hero, but Raúl in many ways is doing just as well. Different players of course in different teams.

[Chi_FFC]

Never said he didn't produce. I'm just skeptical that he would have continued scoring a npg every 200 minutes in the PL, that's all. And I think you're making far too much of a really good 2000 minute sample while ignoring anything that may paint a less rosy picture of his potential production. But again, we'll never know.

And I think you're making too much of terrible two seasons

Eh, this reflects a pretty clear misunderstanding of what I've been saying. Anyhow, unlike you who said "there's no reason to think that season [22-23] would be the exception and not the norm under Marco" I'm willing to entertain that there are a range of possibilities (while having an opinion on what the most likeliest of those would have been), though like I've said multiple times, we'll never know.

[Cambridge Away]

We saw Mitro in his prime. Raul was banging in just as many goals at Wolves in his prime (before injury). Probably similar level players in ability. I'd imagine Raul just shades it for consistency and then totally eclipses him as a team player.

Blaming Parker for Mitro's bad form? I still blame Mitro for Parkers bad form that season, although Parker never did himself any favours. Mitro just made Parker look totally wrong the following season. Which was indeed very funny.

As for who is closest to getting a statue at the Cottage. Raul all day long

[Colinwhite]

We saw Mitro in his prime. Raul was banging in just as many goals at Wolves in his prime (before injury). Probably similar level players in ability. I'd imagine Raul just shades it for consistency and then totally eclipses him as a team player.

Blaming Parker for Mitro's bad form? I still blame Mitro for Parkers bad form that season, although Parker never did himself any favours. Mitro just made Parker look totally wrong the following season. Which was indeed very funny.




 Raul in his prime was one of the best in the Pl . At 32 (? and after a career threatening injury )we have seen him at Fulham . I loved Mitro but over his career Raul has reaches much higher heights . ( the last sentence below  isn t mine )

As for who is closest to getting a statue at the Cottage. Raul all day long

[Snibbo]

Re penalty taking (from Claude this time)

So in total in the Premier League for Fulham, Mitrović missed 4 penalties (all in the 2022-23 season), while scoring 5. That gives him a conversion rate of 5 out of 9 (56%) for Fulham — quite poor by top-flight standards.

By contrast, Jiménez has now scored his 13th Premier League penalty without a single miss, with 7 of those coming for Fulham. A 100% conversion rate vs Mitrović's 56% is a very significant difference in that part of the game.

And separating out penalties:

The overall goal tallies are extremely close (28 vs 27), but once you strip out penalties, Mitrović has a stronger non-penalty record — 23 open-play/free-kick goals versus Jiménez's 20, in roughly the same number of minutes. Mitrović is also slightly more efficient from open play (a non-penalty goal every 283 minutes vs Jiménez's 328). Jiménez, however, has been the far more dangerous penalty taker — 7 spot-kicks converted without a single miss, compared to Mitrović's 5 — and Jiménez's totals are still rising with the season ongoing.

[hovewhite]

Still think Raul is the most reliable finisher we have as Muniz can't stay fit .get Raul re signed.

[Kimbleman]

I agree, definitely sign him for another season. 👍

[I Ronic]

I was surprised it was that close. I would have thought Mitro was streets ahead. Am I right in thinking Rauls have all been in the Prem and Mitro's a mix of Prem and Championship?
As Raul gets subbed alot is he better goals per minute as well?

[SerbianLad]

I was surprised it was that close. I would have thought Mitro was streets ahead. Am I right in thinking Rauls have all been in the Prem and Mitro's a mix of Prem and Championship?
As Raul gets subbed alot is he better goals per minute as well?

The stats posted by everyone is only in the PL. It would be unfair to Raul to include the Championship record.

[jayffc]

I agree, definitely sign him for another season. 👍

Assuming we sign Pepi (or another)
Can we really afford to have a third striking option, given we have muniz, on what is rumoured to be over £100k per week? It just hamstrings us massively for what we can spend on important positions.

We were already close to our limit for SCR. In reality we have to shed some wages to make room for any incomings. Bobb will be on less than Adama so that's something, Wilson gone would mean some space, but he'd then need replacing... trying to keep him would mean probably a significant pay rise. Where else would the SCR wiggle room come from?

Sell Castagne? - ok but we'll need a replacement RB.
Sell Diop perhaps and replace with LDF, though this is of course a risk.

Ultimately Rauls 100k+ per week would go a long way to securing a quality CM and wing replacement for Harry.
Sign up JKA or another youth prospect for the third spot I say and let Raul retire back home. He's been incredible value for money and a huge credit to himself for outperforming expectations of many, but given his age, there are strikers out there capable of adding more to our overall game over 90s mins going forward in my opinion - like Pepi...and therefore he's too expensive to keep in reserve and deserves to see out his career playing back home to a heros welcome imo.

As for comments Raul is the most reliable finisher - yes, if it's because Muniz isn't fit, because rodrigos goals per 90 stats are better when he is fit, and his stats there are not affected by being the main penalty taker - but as above, we're in ongoing talks with Pepi. The whole point of that being for him to become the main competition for our main striking spot next season, so in that instance he's intended to be the man to compete with Muniz and/or play when he's not available.

[Chi_FFC]

I agree, definitely sign him for another season. 👍

Sell Diop perhaps and replace with LDF, though this is of course a risk.

Yeah, he's not even a regular starter (started 3 of last 10 he was available for) for the last place/worst defensive side in the Belgian league. I don't think he's close to being ready for the PL.

[Steeeeeeeeeed]

I think Raul is far better looking than Mitro.

If I was a woman I think I would fall for Raul's Zorro like swashbuckling, suave feel.

[hovewhite]

I think Raul is far better looking than Mitro.

If I was a woman I think I would fall for Raul's Zorro like swashbuckling, suave feel.