Poll

Who would you Consider Fulham's Greatest Rivals

Chelsea
29 (46.8%)
Qpr
31 (50%)
Brentford
0 (0%)
Gillingham
1 (1.6%)
Other
1 (1.6%)

Total Members Voted: 55

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Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« on: September 24, 2012, 04:46:20 PM »
http://thechriswhitingshow.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/2012-football-rivalry-census-results/

The survey was carried out in August 2012 and was answered by over 1,200 football fans. Please note that non-league clubs were not included due to fraud restrictions on the survey carrier.


Rivalry… English football’s hate stakes revealed

 

Headline statistics
17 clubs’ main rivals have changed since 2003.
Leeds United, Manchester United and Nottingham Forest have the most teams considering them as main rivals (three each).
Gillingham  have the fewest rivals, appearing in no club’s top three rivalries.
52.2% of fans believe that geographical proximity is the cause of their main rivalry. 34.7% blame it on history whereas 8.2% think it’s down to league position.
73.9% of football fans claim they would miss their rivals if they ceased to exist.
Changing rivalries
Since 2003, 17 club’s main rivals have changed. They are as follows;

Team   Old Rival   New Rival
AFC Bournemouth   Reading   Southampton
Arsenal   Manchester United   Tottenham Hotspur
Bolton Wanderers   Manchester United   Wigan Athletic
Brentford   Queens Park Rangers   Fulham
Carlisle United   Middlesbrough   Preston North End
Chelsea   Arsenal   Tottenham Hotspur
Colchester United   Wycombe Wanderers   Southend United
Coventry City   Aston Villa   Leicester City
Crewe Alexandra   Stoke City   Port Vale
Doncaster Rovers   Rotherham United   Leeds United
Fulham   Chelsea   Queens Park Rangers
Huddersfield Town   Bradford City   Leeds United
Oldham Athletic   Manchester City   Rochdale
Reading   Swindon Town   Aldershot Town
Torquay United   Exeter City   Plymouth Argyle
Tranmere Rovers   Bolton Wanderers   Oldham Athletic
West Bromwich Albion   Wolves   Aston Villa

Rivalries – Who are they?
Here is a complete list of the 92 Premier League and Football League clubs’ top three rivalries;

Team   Main rivals   Second rivals   Third rivals
Accrington Stanley   Morecambe   Blackburn Rovers   Burnley
AFC Bournemouth   Southampton   Reading   Brighton & Hove Albion
AFC Wimbledon   Milton Keynes Dons   Crystal Palace   Crawley Town
Aldershot Town   Reading   Swindon Town   Oxford United / Wycombe Wanderers
Arsenal   Tottenham Hotspur   Chelsea   Manchester United
Aston Villa   Birmingham City   West Bromwich Albion   Wolves
Barnet   Stevenage   Dagenham & Redbridge   Northampton Town / Carlisle United
Barnsley   Sheffield Wednesday   Sheffield United   Leeds United / Huddersfield Town
Birmingham City   Aston Villa   Wolves   West Bromwich Albion
Blackburn Rovers   Burnley   Bolton Wanderers   Manchester United
Blackpool   Preston North End   Bolton Wanderers   Burnley
Bolton Wanderers   Wigan Athletic   Burnley   Blackburn Rovers
Bradford City   Huddersfield Town   Leeds United   Rotherham United
Brentford   Fulham   Queens Park Rangers   Chelsea
Brighton & Hove Albion   Crystal Palace   Portsmouth   Southampton
Bristol City   Bristol Rovers   Cardiff City   Swindon Town
Bristol Rovers   Bristol City   Swindon Town   Cardiff City
Burnley   Blackburn Rovers   Bolton Wanderers   Blackpool / Preston North End
Burton Albion   Chesterfield   Derby County   Notts County
Bury   Bolton Wanderers   Rochdale   Oldham Athletic
Cardiff City   Swansea City   Bristol City   Leeds United
Carlisle United   Preston North End   Hartlepool United   Middlesbrough
Charlton Athletic   Crystal Palace   Millwall   West Ham United
Chelsea   Tottenham Hotspur   Arsenal   Manchester United
Cheltenham Town   Swindon Town   Oxford United   Shrewsbury Town
Chesterfield   Rotherham United   Sheffield Wednesday   Sheffield United
Colchester United   Southend United   Wycombe Wanderers   Ipswich Town
Coventry City   Leicester City   Aston Villa   Birmingham City
Crawley Town   AFC Wimbledon   Brighton & Hove Albion   Swindon Town
Crewe Alexandra   Port Vale   Stoke City   
Crystal Palace   Brighton & Hove Albion   Millwall   Charlton Athletic
Dagenham & Redbridge   Barnet   Leyton Orient   Brentford
Derby County   Nottingham Forest   Leeds United   Leicester City
Doncaster Rovers   Leeds United   Barnsley   Sheffield United / Sheffield Wednesday
Everton   Liverpool   Manchester United   Manchester City
Exeter City   Plymouth Argyle   Torquay United   Bristol Rovers / Yeovil Town
Fleetwood Town   Morecambe   Blackpool   Accrington Stanley
Fulham   Queens Park Rangers   Chelsea   Brentford
Gillingham   Millwall   Charlton Athletic   Swindon Town
Hartlepool United   Carlisle United   Sheffield Wednesday   Sunderland
Huddersfield Town   Leeds United   Bradford City   Sheffield Wednesday
Hull City   Leeds United   Leicester City   Scunthorpe United
Ipswich Town   Norwich City   West Ham United   Colchester United
Leeds United   Manchester United   Millwall   Sheffield United
Leicester City   Nottingham Forest   Derby County   Coventry City
Leyton Orient   Southend United   Brentford   Dagenham & Redbridge / West Ham United
Liverpool   Manchester United   Everton   Chelsea
Manchester City   Manchester United   Liverpool   Everton
Manchester United   Liverpool   Manchester City   Chelsea
Middlesbrough   Newcastle United   Sunderland   Leeds United
Millwall   West Ham United   Crystal Palace   Charlton Athletic
Milton Keynes Dons   Peterborough United   AFC Wimbledon   Northampton Town
Morecambe   Accrington Stanley   Burnley   Bradford City
Newcastle United   Sunderland   Middlesbrough   Manchester United
Northampton Town   Peterborough United   Milton Keynes Dons   Leicester City / Oxford United
Norwich City   Ipswich Town   Wolves   Leeds United
Nottingham Forest   Derby County   Leicester City   Sheffield United
Notts County   Nottingham Forest   Tranmere Rovers   Chesterfield
Oldham Athletic   Rochdale   Wigan Athletic   Huddersfield Town
Oxford United   Swindon Town   Reading   Wycombe Wanderers
Peterborough United   Northampton Town   Milton Keynes Dons   Leicester City
Plymouth Argyle   Exeter City   Torquay United   Portsmouth
Port Vale   Stoke City   Crewe Alexandra   Shrewsbury Town
Portsmouth   Southampton   Brighton & Hove Albion   Millwall
Preston North End   Blackpool   Blackburn Rovers   Burnley
Queens Park Rangers   Chelsea   Fulham   Cardiff City / Stoke City
Reading   Aldershot Town   Swindon Town   Oxford United
Rochdale   Bury   Burnley   Oldham Athletic
Rotherham United   Doncaster Rovers   Sheffield Wednesday   Chesterfield
Scunthorpe United   Hull City   Doncaster Rovers   York City
Sheffield United   Sheffield Wednesday   Leeds United   Barnsley / West Ham United
Sheffield Wednesday   Sheffield United   Barnsley   Leeds United
Shrewsbury Town   Walsall   Wolves   Port Vale
Southampton   Portsmouth   Brighton & Hove Albion   Bournemouth
Southend United   Colchester United   Leyton Orient   Dagenham & Redbridge
Stevenage   Milton Keynes Dons   Barnet   Dagenham & Redbridge
Stoke City   Port Vale   West Bromwich Albion   Leicester City
Sunderland   Newcastle United   Middlesbrough   Leeds United
Swansea City   Cardiff City   Reading   Bristol City
Swindon Town   Oxford United   Reading   Bristol City / Bristol Rovers
Torquay United   Plymouth Argyle   Exeter City   Bristol Rovers
Tottenham Hotspur   Arsenal   Chelsea   West Ham United
Tranmere Rovers   Oldham Athletic   Bolton Wanderers   Everton / Liverpool
Walsall   Wolves   Aston Villa   West Bromwich Albion
Watford   Leeds United   Crystal Palace   Queens Park Rangers
West Bromwich Albion   Aston Villa   Wolves   Birmingham City
West Ham United   Millwall   Tottenham Hotspur   Arsenal / Chelsea
Wigan Athletic   Bolton Wanderers   Blackburn Rovers   Preston North End
Wolves   West Bromwich Albion   Birmingham City   Aston Villa
Wycombe Wanderers   Colchester United   Milton Keynes Dons   Oxford United
Yeovil Town   Bristol Rovers   Exeter City   
York City   Rotherham United   Leeds United   Bradford City


The 20 most offensive clubs to the neutral football fan;

Manchester United

Hated… Manchester United are the most disliked English football club

Liverpool
Leeds United
Chelsea
West Ham United
Stoke City
Millwall
Milton Keynes Dons
Cardiff City
Queens Park Rangers
Manchester City
Arsenal
Tottenham Hotspur
Crawley Town
Birmingham City
Aston Villa
Hull City
Nottingham Forest
Reading
Portsmouth


The 20 least offensive clubs to the neutral football fan were;

Brentford

Buzzing… The Bees are the Football League’s least offensive club

Aldershot Town
Burton Albion
Bury
Yeovil Town
Cheltenham Town
Dagenham & Redbridge
Exeter City
Torquay United
Fulham
Bournemouth
Colchester United
Leyton Orient
Rochdale
York City
Carlisle United
Crewe Alexandra
Hartlepool United
Tranmere Rovers
Accrington Stanley
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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 04:51:26 PM »
I'm old enough to remember when everyone hated Nottingham Forest.

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 04:54:23 PM »
im not having this for one minute. can you please add a vote so we can choose between chelsea brentford and qpr


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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 05:07:48 PM »
cheers for adding vote.

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2012, 05:30:28 PM »
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2012, 05:39:03 PM »
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
There was a period during the early eighties and late eighties/early nineties when we had a proper rivalry with Brentford.

Our rivalry with Gillingham covered only 2-3 years of nastiness, which obviously culminated in the sad death of a fan.

50-60s, and mid 70s  & '82-86 it was Chelsea

'80/82, '87-93 it was Brentford.

Now, for me, it is definitely QPR.


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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2012, 05:39:16 PM »
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
Maybe they were rivals more in the 70's 80's and early 90's.  They  can't stand us still, but i agree  i dont consider them as rivals.

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 05:44:30 PM »
In the late 70's  and 80's  Wimbledon would of featured.

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 06:03:41 PM »
Only one rivalry for me...That's the Filth from Stamford Bridge



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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 07:26:16 PM »
In the late 70's  and 80's  Wimbledon would of featured.
Not the 70s as they were non league/4th div for most of it, but sort of during the early 80s. However for those of us north of the river in West London, Brentford was a bigger deal than Wimbledon

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2012, 09:00:24 PM »
I hate Chelsea more than QPR, but because I have so many QPR supporting friends the order is close to changing.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2012, 09:20:30 PM »
A Texas oil billionaire has triplet sons
On their eighteenth birthdays, he asks them what they want for a present
Son one asks for a toy plane, so dad buys him American Airlines
Son two asks for a toy car, so dad buys him Chevrolet Motors
Son three asks for a cowboy outfit, so dad buys him...

QPR


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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 09:27:03 PM »
Derby for me. Some things are never forgotten...

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 10:24:03 PM »
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
There was a period during the early eighties and late eighties/early nineties when we had a proper rivalry with Brentford.

Our rivalry with Gillingham covered only 2-3 years of nastiness, which obviously culminated in the sad death of a fan.

50-60s, and mid 70s  & '82-86 it was Chelsea

'80/82, '87-93 it was Brentford.

Now, for me, it is definitely QPR.

50-60s, Chelsea, no way, a lot of fans used to go to both so that is not true.

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 10:47:12 PM »
Interesting notes: according to the survey, we are the only club currently in the Premier League that is in the 20 least hated. Also, all major London clubs are in the 20 most hated except Fulham.

Does this mean the club is appreciated? Or merely ignored?


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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2012, 11:05:33 PM »
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
There was a period during the early eighties and late eighties/early nineties when we had a proper rivalry with Brentford.

Our rivalry with Gillingham covered only 2-3 years of nastiness, which obviously culminated in the sad death of a fan.

50-60s, and mid 70s  & '82-86 it was Chelsea

'80/82, '87-93 it was Brentford.

Now, for me, it is definitely QPR.

50-60s, Chelsea, no way, a lot of fans used to go to both so that is not true.
It might have been a relatively friendly rivalry, but in so far as that was when we tended to play them most often, they were surely rivals to us more than any other back then, no?

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2012, 12:09:39 AM »
Brentford shouldnt be third. Surely must be Gillingham after the history. No-one has ever cared about Brentford (at any point I have supported Fulham since 1996)
There was a period during the early eighties and late eighties/early nineties when we had a proper rivalry with Brentford.

Our rivalry with Gillingham covered only 2-3 years of nastiness, which obviously culminated in the sad death of a fan.

50-60s, and mid 70s  & '82-86 it was Chelsea

'80/82, '87-93 it was Brentford.

Now, for me, it is definitely QPR.

80-82 is too early for me but mid eighties definitely Chelsea and late 80s-early 90s Brentford. Although it has never been a hatred toward Brentford i think. Rivalry yes but not hatred from our standpoint. I think we look at Brentford the way Chelsea look at us.

I personally hate Gillingham with a passion and always have but thats because I grew up in Kent. Our rivalry with them blew up for a couple of seasons because of the tragic incident mentioned but i don't think it can be classed as a real rivalry

I have never seen QPR as true rivals and i don't think i ever will. Even through the proposed merger i don't think there was any hatred between the fans. Neither set of fans wanted it. But i understand for some they are seen as big rivals

For me our main rivals will always be Chelsea

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2012, 12:14:05 AM »
Why does anyone actually see QPR as our biggest rivals... who here actually considered QPR anything before they were promoted? my dad as a old school member of Fulham always sees them as a small rival who had a bunch of cocky mouth deluded fans whereas Chelsea fans were always glory hunters who gave of the wrong morals, singing about John Terry sleeping with Wayne Bridges Missus and Anton Ferdinand's ethicist. the reason many of you hate QPR more then Chelsea now is because we've beaten them back to back, whereas when we play Chelsea we let chance after chance go for example that last min pen we had at the cottage vs them and (arghhh annoys me each time) :014: Dempsey pen was saved and he tried a Rooney overhead kick, that possibly the only game at home that i have been to where a draw felt more like a loss  :bang head:  

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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2012, 12:52:24 AM »
Why does anyone actually see QPR as our biggest rivals... who here actually considered QPR anything before they were promoted? my dad as a old school member of Fulham always sees them as a small rival who had a bunch of cocky mouth deluded fans whereas Chelsea fans were always glory hunters who gave of the wrong morals, singing about John Terry sleeping with Wayne Bridges Missus and Anton Ferdinand's ethicist. the reason many of you hate QPR more then Chelsea now is because we've beaten them back to back, whereas when we play Chelsea we let chance after chance go for example that last min pen we had at the cottage vs them and (arghhh annoys me each time) :014: Dempsey pen was saved and he tried a Rooney overhead kick, that possibly the only game at home that i have been to where a draw felt more like a loss  :bang head: 
If you look at all the factors of geography, current size, fanbase, & current potential then overall we are currently closer to QPR than any other.

Our rivalry with Chelsea scores highest in terms of geography and past no. of matches, but to me our natural rivals are currently QPR.

Personally for whatever reason it comes naturally to me as well.

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Re: Football Rivalry Census 2012 (with Poll)
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2012, 12:36:36 PM »
...I responded with the dark side, I do not like anything about the club and the majority of their fans, at school I was one of three Fulham fans - everyone else was a blue or man ure,; by the time I left school I was the only Fulham fan as the other two had defected to the dark side due to peer pressure and I took a fair amount of bullying (can look after myself but not against a so many) in that time. Like a few of a certain generation I would go to Stamford Bridge or Griffin Park with real friends one week and Fulham the next, but there was never a question of fading loyalty. So for me it is a personal matter, and it still amazes me that two clubs in such close proximity to each other can produce such opposites in their fan base.

This aside, the question of rivalries should be based on mutual recognition, the fans of the other team in SW6 do not even consider us as a rival whereas those who reside in W12 do, and it appears from this poll and the responses here that the rivalry is mutual. Personally the bitters and the bees were always rivals when we were in the lower leagues, brentford are these days an insignificant memory so it must be the fans from the bush...