Personally I think not. You have to be pragmatic and play a style that suits the players you have.
What you can't do is force a system on players and hope it will work whether they are suited to it or not. We do not have sufficient quality or midfield, capable of playing this way.
We need a proper centre forward with physical presence on the pitch OR we need midfielders and defenders capable of passing the ball quickly and accurately to give Garcia a chance to use his talent. As it is garcia is totally wasted playing a role he is clearly unsuited to. He needs to play alongside or just a more physical player.
No shots at Sunderland was down to the manager's inability to change tactics. The season will be an abject disaster unless he works out quickly that we are plying the wrong system. Sunderland weren't that good but they made us look very poor.
PS and the free kicks and corners are way worse than before
Quote from: Andrew on August 30, 2026, 04:37:52 PMPersonally I think not. You have to be pragmatic and play a style that suits the players you have.
What you can't do is force a system on players and hope it will work whether they are suited to it or not. We do not have sufficient quality or midfield, capable of playing this way.
We need a proper centre forward with physical presence on the pitch OR we need midfielders and defenders capable of passing the ball quickly and accurately to give Garcia a chance to use his talent. As it is garcia is totally wasted playing a role he is clearly unsuited to. He needs to play alongside or just a more physical player.
No shots at Sunderland was down to the manager's inability to change tactics. The season will be an abject disaster unless he works out quickly that we are plying the wrong system. Sunderland weren't that good but they made us look very poor.
PS and the free kicks and corners are way worse than before
Tammy Abraham available for loan...
Sorry, pretty sure you're just out fishing for a few bites. :welcome1:
Quote from: Jim© on August 30, 2026, 04:41:16 PMSorry, pretty sure you're just out fishing for a few bites. :welcome1:
why are you sorry? I was, well done. However I have noticed similar comments on other threads dressed up differently but wow, this is spectacularly unimpressive from a novice manager.
This is a massive overreaction. We're two games into the season with a new manager, who's inherited a squad from Silva with little resale value and having lost our two main goalscorers. Sunderland were not much better than us today. Upgrade Berge and Andersen and we should be okay.
Quote from: Fulham 1879 on August 30, 2026, 05:02:21 PMThis is a massive overreaction. We're two games into the season with a new manager, who's inherited a squad from Silva with little resale value and having lost our two main goalscorers. Sunderland were not much better than us today. Upgrade Berge and Andersen and we should be okay.
I do agree this is a massive overreaction, but I do think Sunderland were much better than us today. We didn't lay a glove on them in truth.
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on August 30, 2026, 05:05:32 PMQuote from: Fulham 1879 on August 30, 2026, 05:02:21 PMThis is a massive overreaction. We're two games into the season with a new manager, who's inherited a squad from Silva with little resale value and having lost our two main goalscorers. Sunderland were not much better than us today. Upgrade Berge and Andersen and we should be okay.
I do agree this is a massive overreaction, but I do think Sunderland were much better than us today. We didn't lay a glove on them in truth.
Absolutely.
Jeez, it's one game. Ridiculous overreaction.
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on August 30, 2026, 05:05:32 PMQuote from: Fulham 1879 on August 30, 2026, 05:02:21 PMThis is a massive overreaction. We're two games into the season with a new manager, who's inherited a squad from Silva with little resale value and having lost our two main goalscorers. Sunderland were not much better than us today. Upgrade Berge and Andersen and we should be okay.
I do agree this is a massive overreaction, but I do think Sunderland were much better than us today. We didn't lay a glove on them in truth.
Agree with this. We defended really well 1st half i thought but Leno's bloody dithering on the ball frustrates the hell out of me. Need a new keeper ASAP. And 2nd half we went to sh1t when they mixed it up a bit with their subs and we had no answer.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 30, 2026, 05:28:07 PMJeez, it's one game. Ridiculous overreaction.
Well no, it's two.
Everyone is forgetting how hard Sunderland were to beat at theirs last season. There wasn't a lot in it IMO, they took their chances and made better subs.
A few weeks ago we all agreed that Arbeloa needed time to settle in and bed in new players, last week we all agreed that it was a good performance against title contenders. Jeez
Time to give MtB a chance I reckon.
Oh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
Quote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
Yeah it's too early to panic, way too early.
I do think we need a few players though, namely GK, CB, CM.
Don't be absurd !
Of course he is :slap:
It is not an over reaction at all. It's an indication that a novice manager with no intent of modifying his rigid view of how to play with a group of players unsuited to his preference will lead to many very disappointing days.
The bizarre substitutions were ridiculous... We needed a presence at centre forward but left the talented but ineffective Garcia unable to do his stuff
If anything my words were kind. I am massively worried we are likely to be bottom six all season.
Quote from: Andrew on August 30, 2026, 06:52:00 PMIt is not an over reaction at all. It's an indication that a novice manager with no intent of modifying his rigid view of how to play with a group of players unsuited to his preference will lead to many very disappointing days.
The bizarre substitutions were ridiculous... We needed a presence at centre forward but left the talented but ineffective Garcia unable to do his stuff
If anything my words were kind. I am massively worried we are likely to be bottom six all season.
As long as we are not bottom three🤦�♂️
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on August 30, 2026, 05:45:53 PMQuote from: Twig on August 30, 2026, 05:34:50 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on August 30, 2026, 05:28:07 PMJeez, it's one game. Ridiculous overreaction.
Well no, it's two.
We weren't too bad vs Chelsea.
If you think we weren't too bad defensively or that our set up didn't leave us worryingly wide open then we watched different matches.
Quote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
I really detest that lazy, unpleasant comment.
Takes an idiot to talk about who should lead us in the championship after two games!!
:slap:
Quote from: Andrew on August 30, 2026, 04:37:52 PMPersonally I think not. You have to be pragmatic and play a style that suits the players you have.
What you can't do is force a system on players and hope it will work whether they are suited to it or not. We do not have sufficient quality or midfield, capable of playing this way.
We need a proper centre forward with physical presence on the pitch OR we need midfielders and defenders capable of passing the ball quickly and accurately to give Garcia a chance to use his talent. As it is garcia is totally wasted playing a role he is clearly unsuited to. He needs to play alongside or just a more physical player.
No shots at Sunderland was down to the manager's inability to change tactics. The season will be an abject disaster unless he works out quickly that we are plying the wrong system. Sunderland weren't that good but they made us look very poor.
PS and the free kicks and corners are way worse than before
Basically Marco left us with a team suited to nothing but survival at best. AA needs a total overhaul
Quote from: Andrew on August 30, 2026, 06:52:00 PMIt is not an over reaction at all. It's an indication that a novice manager with no intent of modifying his rigid view of how to play with a group of players unsuited to his preference will lead to many very disappointing days.
The bizarre substitutions were ridiculous... We needed a presence at centre forward but left the talented but ineffective Garcia unable to do his stuff
If anything my words were kind. I am massively worried we are likely to be bottom six all season.
Feel like I'm talking to an emotionally unregulated child who's grown up trying to adjust to a world that's had Trump, Covid, Ukraine, Brexit and AI disrupt their lives, alongside some dodgy choices in political and business leaders. In fairness, none of that is anyones fault per se, but not exactly the same grounding as most who had Mother Theresa, Princess Diana, Mandela, Tutu and others all setting a good example on good ethical leadership. There was a time where people were less sensationalist and more measured, now it all feels so social media impulsively driven.
Also, whilst I'm not with you on the relegation side, not yet at least,.. how long have you been supporting Fulham to be so pent up about being in the bottom six or getting relegated? Yes it'd not be fun or ideal (for this season), but in the last ten years or so we've been relegated three times and promoted back afterwards. It's football and not the end of the world either way.
Yes, I'd definitely love to see Fulham thrive in the PL and play European football again, but it isn't a guarantee and doesn't happen over night.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on August 30, 2026, 09:32:11 PMTakes an idiot to talk about who should lead us in the championship after two games!!
:slap:
I am glad that my brand of being an idiot after 65 years unbroken season ticket holding is amusing you. I take the comment in the good humour you intended it.
I've seen it all before and rarely has a new manager coming in and making such schoolboy errors as we saw today turned it around, but there is always a chance.
I also found it amusing that the manager blamed the players for not showing character, energy and personality as the reason for defeat rather than poor tactics, lack of preparation eg third rate set pieces, asking the keeper to pass the ball long so often when he is not capable and bizarre substitutions.
That's also funny after two games, I'll not be able to sleep tonight for hysterically laughing :slap:
Sorry for the irritable response... Everything today looked like we are in for a very bleak season.
Palacios looks very young and lightweight. Not sure what he's contributing at the moment. He might come good, fingers crossed. At the moment Charles looks head and shoulders above better bet. I agree a dire season may be in store.
Quote from: Twig on August 30, 2026, 08:47:29 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
I really detest that lazy, unpleasant comment.
And I think people should get a grip and realise that we have a new manager working with new players and he needs time to settle in.
Quote from: Mullers OG on August 30, 2026, 10:38:54 PMPalacios looks very young and lightweight. Not sure what he's contributing at the moment. He might come good, fingers crossed. At the moment Charles looks head and shoulders above better bet. I agree a dire season may be in store.
Josh King is very young and very lightweight but he's had a few games from last season under his belt so is looking like the player we all hope he will be.
I'm just glad that we are willing to give new, young players, along with our new manager some time.😂
You can drive a bus through our midfield we have 0 desire or the physical attributes to compete playing passing triangles around the midfield while the opposition get back into shape then we decide to give the ball to Leno to hoof the ball up to king , Bobb and Garcia 🤷�♂️. I didn't see any pressing or attacking intent against Sunderland. Why are we giving the ball to Jedi further up the pitch his delivery isn't even semi pro standard aimless after aimless crossing. Corner delivery and set piece delivery shocking . Muniz not used says everything of what Arbeloa thinks of him same with Smith Rowe and Kevin . When did Palace sack De Boer after 5 games ?. Chelsea on another day should have scored six against us . Garcia and Palacios are having the shock of their life with the fast and physical nature of the premier league and we want to bring in another small central midfielder from Real Madrid 🤦�♂️. I expected a rocky start put the managers tactics are killing us getting Amorim vibes😱
@Andrew, Arbeloa had a point about lack of energy from the players.
His tactics depend on pressing high and disrupting the opposition, which the players didn't do at all.
Quote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 10:46:13 PMQuote from: Twig on August 30, 2026, 08:47:29 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
I really detest that lazy, unpleasant comment.
And I think people should get a grip and realise that we have a new manager working with new players and he needs time to settle in.
And you may be right (could be wrong too). That doesn't alter my view that yours was a lazy, unpleasant and uncalled for comment. All it is trying to do is write off those whose opinions differ from yours. This is a discussion forum when I last checked?
Quote from: Andrew on August 30, 2026, 10:32:30 PMQuote from: BestOfBrede on August 30, 2026, 09:32:11 PMTakes an idiot to talk about who should lead us in the championship after two games!!
:slap:
I am glad that my brand of being an idiot after 65 years unbroken season ticket holding is amusing you. I take the comment in the good humour you intended it.
I've seen it all before and rarely has a new manager coming in and making such schoolboy errors as we saw today turned it around, but there is always a chance.
I also found it amusing that the manager blamed the players for not showing character, energy and personality as the reason for defeat rather than poor tactics, lack of preparation eg third rate set pieces, asking the keeper to pass the ball long so often when he is not capable and bizarre substitutions.
That's also funny after two games, I'll not be able to sleep tonight for hysterically laughing :slap:
Sorry for the irritable response... Everything today looked like we are in for a very bleak season.
The only thing with your comment that was wrong in my humble opinion is, it was Sunderland's marking preventing Leno from playing short so he was forced to play long.
Quote from: Twig on August 31, 2026, 08:24:26 AMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 10:46:13 PMQuote from: Twig on August 30, 2026, 08:47:29 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
I really detest that lazy, unpleasant comment.
And I think people should get a grip and realise that we have a new manager working with new players and he needs time to settle in.
And you may be right (could be wrong too). That doesn't alter my view that yours was a lazy, unpleasant and uncalled for comment. All it is trying to do is write off those whose opinions differ from yours. This is a discussion forum when I last checked?
More seem to agree with him than you.
Radio pundit saying anymore displays like that and we're odds on for relegation.
Quote from: Coastwalker on August 31, 2026, 10:18:45 AMRadio pundit saying anymore displays like that and we're odds on for relegation.
Funny how Spurs sitting on the bottom after 2 games are not relegation candidates.
There is a hint of Amorim about Arbeloa & his attitude to his philosophy. Clearly there was not much pressing first half & seemed worse 2nd. He doesn't appear at this stage to have a plan B but in truth neither did Silva.
Palacios may well come good once used to the pace & physicality of the prem but we don't have the luxury of letting him get that as a starter.
The Cavalry can't come over the hill quick enough!!
Quote from: john dempsey on August 31, 2026, 10:18:40 AMQuote from: Twig on August 31, 2026, 08:24:26 AMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 10:46:13 PMQuote from: Twig on August 30, 2026, 08:47:29 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
I really detest that lazy, unpleasant comment.
And I think people should get a grip and realise that we have a new manager working with new players and he needs time to settle in.
And you may be right (could be wrong too). That doesn't alter my view that yours was a lazy, unpleasant and uncalled for comment. All it is trying to do is write off those whose opinions differ from yours. This is a discussion forum when I last checked?
More seem to agree with him than you.
And?
Quote from: Twig on August 31, 2026, 08:24:26 AMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 10:46:13 PMQuote from: Twig on August 30, 2026, 08:47:29 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
I really detest that lazy, unpleasant comment.
And I think people should get a grip and realise that we have a new manager working with new players and he needs time to settle in.
And you may be right (could be wrong too). That doesn't alter my view that yours was a lazy, unpleasant and uncalled for comment. All it is trying to do is write off those whose opinions differ from yours. This is a discussion forum when I last checked?
I don't believe it is writing off peoples' opinions, just that the swing from "we were good, I'm looking forward to the season" to "we're doomed, arbeloa doesn't know what he's doing" is very odd. There has been a lot of OTT negativity in relation to yesterday's match, in my opinion.
It will be interesting to note who will be in the starting line up for the next League match v Crystal Palace.
Quote from: Twig on August 31, 2026, 01:01:46 PMQuote from: john dempsey on August 31, 2026, 10:18:40 AMQuote from: Twig on August 31, 2026, 08:24:26 AMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 10:46:13 PMQuote from: Twig on August 30, 2026, 08:47:29 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
I really detest that lazy, unpleasant comment.
And I think people should get a grip and realise that we have a new manager working with new players and he needs time to settle in.
And you may be right (could be wrong too). That doesn't alter my view that yours was a lazy, unpleasant and uncalled for comment. All it is trying to do is write off those whose opinions differ from yours. This is a discussion forum when I last checked?
More seem to agree with him than you.
And?
And more people seem to agree with him
than you that is all. After all it is a discussion forum ,
last time i checked.
The one possible flaw in Arbeloa is the physicality of the Premier League is not something a man from Real Madrid and the Spanish league would think about. The game was calling out for Muniz, so many crosses and chances to cross but no big target man or aerial threat from our attack.
When, in the last few matches of the season, our fellows are mired in a fight against relegation/pushing for Europe*, the people making doom-laden/blithely hopeful* prognostications here are going to feel pretty smug/silly*. Is all I'll say/rant into my bathroon mirror*.
*Delete as applicable.
This is beginning to get pretty pathetic now lads.
I understand that it hasn't been a great start but we are two games in. Two. And it is widely noted that we have the toughest start in the division.
Quote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 10:46:13 PMQuote from: Twig on August 30, 2026, 08:47:29 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
I really detest that lazy, unpleasant comment.
And I think people should get a grip and realise that we have a new manager working with new players and he needs time to settle in.
While I can accept that, the timing and nature of the substitutions was beyond all comprehension.
The manager is getting to grips with the prem as well as some of the players.
Therefore a bit of patience is required for both.
Top scorers last season gone
Silva gone,
New man in charge
New tactical style
New players.
A learning curve for everybody
It's always likely to happen.
Quote from: Grassy Noel on August 31, 2026, 05:45:56 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 10:46:13 PMQuote from: Twig on August 30, 2026, 08:47:29 PMQuote from: cookieg on August 30, 2026, 05:40:40 PMOh dear. Two games and people are wetting the bed already.
I really detest that lazy, unpleasant comment.
And I think people should get a grip and realise that we have a new manager working with new players and he needs time to settle in.
While I can accept that, the timing and nature of the substitutions was beyond all comprehension.
And there were many comments over the last couple about Silva's substitutions being bizarre as well.
I'm surprised at the reaction on here after two league and a cup game, seems typical of the way fans are these days.
People could be right, that we are facing relegation under our new manager, but just seems too soon to me,to make such a judgement - though could well be a self-fulfilling prophecy if our fans and the media make the same judgement after TWO league games and one cup game, creates a climate of negativity around the team, which needs our support - and I thought we played well v Chelsea, and were unlucky not to get a point, as well as a good victory against Wimbledon in the cup.