OK After watching tonights match who on here can honestly say that Danny Murphy should still be selected in the Fulham starting side?
He was absolutely terrible and looked like he couldn't pass water let alone a football. Time for him to admit he is well past his best and hang up his boots. 096.gig
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he will ruin his reputation if he carrys on much longer
Sorry to say that he hasn't been that good this season...surely us the fans are not the only ones to notice...
Well it stands to reason he has already said, he finds it difficult to get motivated for Europa League games. He certainly showed that tonight, we have enough youngster's that would be more than adequate. He should never play a Europa cup game again IMO.
Quote from: FFCcravencottage on September 29, 2011, 08:59:03 PM
Well it stands to reason he has already said, he finds it difficult to get motivated for Europa League games. He certainly showed that tonight, we have enough youngster's that would be more than adequate. He should never play a Europa cup game again IMO.
Or any midweek game. Save him for the league where he is needed.
Quote from: TWFL on September 29, 2011, 09:03:30 PM
Quote from: FFCcravencottage on September 29, 2011, 08:59:03 PM
Well it stands to reason he has already said, he finds it difficult to get motivated for Europa League games. He certainly showed that tonight, we have enough youngster's that would be more than adequate. He should never play a Europa cup game again IMO.
Or any midweek game. Save him for the league where he is needed.
Yep the young uns will learn a lot from him in the reserve league :hook:
Posted this before the West Brom game -
Danny Murphy has created more scoring chances for team-mates (21) than any other player in the PL.
Quote from: White Noise on September 29, 2011, 09:40:24 PM
Posted this before the West Brom game -
Danny Murphy has created more scoring chances for team-mates (21) than any other player in the PL.
Yeah just keep him away from the Europa league
Quote from: White Noise on September 29, 2011, 09:40:24 PM
Posted this before the West Brom game -
Danny Murphy has created more scoring chances for team-mates (21) than any other player in the PL.
You can prove anything with statistics.
Prejudices are much more accurate.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on September 29, 2011, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: White Noise on September 29, 2011, 09:40:24 PM
Posted this before the West Brom game -
Danny Murphy has created more scoring chances for team-mates (21) than any other player in the PL.
You can prove anything with statistics.
Prejudices are much more accurate.
We'll all be sorry when he's gone. As they say, you don't miss your water till the well runs dry.
Ugh. No.
21 scoring chances? How many were taken? Interesting. Very interesting. :dft002: (need a roy chin rubbing face for this one.)
Murphy is the English Valeron.
Stop giving him grief, he is great for us.
Quote from: Mr_Moon on September 30, 2011, 04:23:51 AM
Murphy is the English Valeron.
Stop giving him grief, he is great for us.
I was right a few weeks ago
YOU ARE DANNY MURPHY's LOVE CHILDIf you think that he has been great for us this season I suggest you get you eyes tested straight away, he has not had any real input into the team for ages.
I will gladly eat my words if he can turn it around but I'm sorry Mr Moon but he is well passed his best and should concentrate on his upcoming career in the media. :038:
At the start of EVERY season murph has been with Fulham, he has been slated by fans in the ground and on message boards alike with the old 'his legs have gone' moan.
By the end of the season he has been hailed a midfield maestro.
Whilst I know his legs wont go on for ever, I'm willing to give him some more time to get on his game and if the fickle amongst us prove right, then edge him out slowly whilst Kassami or whoever settles in the team.
Lets not forget he was the premier leagues best / most successful passer of the ball last season. Our very own Iniesta.
Quote from: leonffc on September 30, 2011, 06:53:08 AM
At the start of EVERY season murph has been with Fulham, he has been slated by fans in the ground and on message boards alike with the old 'his legs have gone' moan.
By the end of the season he has been hailed a midfield maestro.
Whilst I know his legs wont go on for ever, I'm willing to give him some more time to get on his game and if the fickle amongst us prove right, then edge him out slowly whilst Kassami or whoever settles in the team.
Lets not forget he was the premier leagues best / most successful passer of the ball last season. Our very own Iniesta.
Becaus he made loads of passes doesn't make him the best.
Statistics are extremely misleading and you can read them in many different ways just to suit your way of thinking.
He is actually our very own Ford Fiesta, was value for money but needs upgrading every few years.
Making the most passes does not make him the best but it does show how heavily we lean on him.
Weaning the team away from Murphy needs to be high on Jol's list of priorities but that surely is what Kasami, Gekov, Ruiz and Sidwell are about and radical surgery now is not in my opinion the best option.
For me Murphy is still very good and could well give good service for another couple of seasons but plans for the future are needed.
The likelihood is that Murphy will start to miss games through injury and how we do without him will dictate how quickly he's rushed back or if he gets his place back.
Ferguson has acted cleverly with the likes of Giggs and Scholes whereas Wenger has a habit of discarding his key players when they're past their best. I know which example I prefer.
Quote from: JBH on September 30, 2011, 07:28:03 AM
Quote from: leonffc on September 30, 2011, 06:53:08 AM
At the start of EVERY season murph has been with Fulham, he has been slated by fans in the ground and on message boards alike with the old 'his legs have gone' moan.
By the end of the season he has been hailed a midfield maestro.
Whilst I know his legs wont go on for ever, I'm willing to give him some more time to get on his game and if the fickle amongst us prove right, then edge him out slowly whilst Kassami or whoever settles in the team.
Lets not forget he was the premier leagues best / most successful passer of the ball last season. Our very own Iniesta.
Becaus he made loads of passes doesn't make him the best.
Statistics are extremely misleading and you can read them in many different ways just to suit your way of thinking.
He is actually our very own Ford Fiesta, was value for money but needs upgrading every few years.
Look at Xavi in Spain though. Under appreciated for years because "all he does" is make loads of passes. Xavi doesn't do anything particularly spectacular, but the whole Barcelona team runs through him. He had over 100 passes in the first half against Bate Borisov! Sid Lowe, a historian and expert on Spanish football, was even suggesting the other day that Xavi may be Spain's greatest ever player.
Paul Scholes did the same sort of thing for Manchester United. Xavi himself shook his head at how little appreciation we had for a player who had to consistently make way for Gerrard and Lampard's 'greater talent'. It's a joke, and explains why Spain are where they are and we're where we are.
Murphy is not that good but is underappreciated for exactly the same reasons.
Perhaps in the game he isn't always performing like a 25 year old, but I am sure that his presence is well noted by his team mates and the opposition. The things he doesn't need to do are perhaps also witness of his ability as a player. I mean: if his overview and his positioning is thus that a good pass from the opposition can not be given, that is equally a contribution to the Fulham game. His talking to the players, telling them what to do and when to do it is similar. And, he is still given the/a final pass a lot of times. He commands midfield, but physically a bit slower than he used to.
He hasn't been great this season, but he is still one of the first names on the team sheet.
As has been pointed out - everything runs through him. He is the captain, and people look to him to lead the team both physically with his performance, and mentally as a leader and motivator on the field.
This will probably be his last season playing for us full time, so I would appreciate what we have before he becomes a bit-part player
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on September 30, 2011, 09:14:36 AM
He hasn't been great this season, but he is still one of the first names on the team sheet.
As has been pointed out - everything runs through him. He is the captain, and people look to him to lead the team both physically with his performance, and mentally as a leader and motivator on the field.
This will probably be his last season playing for us full time, so I would appreciate what we have before he becomes a bit-part player
That is my point
Why is he the first name on the team sheet because on form this season he is at best a bench player.
Opposition know just pressurise and close DM down and he can't handle it.
Don't get me wrong I like him and think he has been good for FFC but he is very fast losing his credability
Has it occurred to all the knockers that there has been a bug going through the team and he might have got it last night? he is not a machine!
Quote from: JBH on September 30, 2011, 09:52:30 AM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on September 30, 2011, 09:14:36 AM
He hasn't been great this season, but he is still one of the first names on the team sheet.
As has been pointed out - everything runs through him. He is the captain, and people look to him to lead the team both physically with his performance, and mentally as a leader and motivator on the field.
This will probably be his last season playing for us full time, so I would appreciate what we have before he becomes a bit-part player
That is my point
Why is he the first name on the team sheet because on form this season he is at best a bench player.
Opposition know just pressurise and close DM down and he can't handle it.
Don't get me wrong I like him and think he has been good for FFC but he is very fast losing his credability
He has had a rough start, but I hardly think he is losing his credibility.
I also think he can handle himself in a crowded midfield fine, that is why he is a key player. The problem is that when he is shut down (which happens to everyone, even David Silva v Bayern), other players do not take on the mantle of leading the team, and again we see why he is so improtant.
Every year at the start of the season we see some people calling for Murphy to be benched/retire and yet he finds his groove eventually. This season, with a constantly rotating squad, a new manager and new system no wonder it is taking longer than usual to look fluid.
He would be my first choice every Premiership match (followed by Mark, Hangeland/Hughes, Demps, Bobby and AJ as automatic picks). Why? Because he has the best footballing brain in the team and can see a pass quicker than anyone else, even if as he gets older he can't always bring it off. Even with him on the pitch, under Jol at times we've looked disorganised - without him it would be chaotic.
My concern is that he is being used too much, and I wish he had been rested yesterday because the QPR game is so much more important. I'd rest him for all our remaining Europa league games this side of the knock-out stage, unless we had to get something out of the game at Twente to progress. If we can't win our two remaining home games without Danny, it will be a very poor reflection on Jol and the squad.
I'm with Mssrs Oaksehott, Gilroy etc. on this.
I think Jol does have to use him wisely (he can't start all of our matches given the volume there is) and he needs to think of the transition to life after Murphy.
I am sure Jol has it all under control.
So Danny Murphy is passed his best, so what? Lots of Fulham players from past and present can be considered to be past their best whilst they don the black and white, it's not necessarily a bad thing. You have Duff as your avatar yet he is another guilty player, FAR past his best that he's out of sight. Murphy is great for us. Yes, he hasn't been notably fantastic so far. yet Hangeland and Zamora two previous great players haven't had flawless starts either.
We have an exciting forward line now, more options than ever for Murphy to pick out a forward.
I am not his lovechild, I just like him as a player and a captain.
http://pldb.championshipatbest.com/node/7/1812 (http://pldb.championshipatbest.com/node/7/1812)
Season Passes successful Total Passes %
2008/09 1683 2143 79%
2009/10 1109 1459 76%
2010/11 1846 2312 80%
2011/12 322 396 81% |
There is no doubt that teams which really study us will close him down as quick as they can, they know that he is our life blood. However when they do that it should make more room for someone else.
On his day Danny is probably the best three players we have ever had.
Given the room he had to work in last night he should have done a hell of a lot better with his passing, it cannot be denied he had a mare but all players have bad games.
My biggest complaint though is how much we play through him. A player gets the ball and first person he looks for is Danny. 9/10 when Danny is close by, the ball will go to him and often he will play it back to the player who passed it first time around. This means we always break slowly.
Quote from: JBH on September 30, 2011, 07:28:03 AM
Quote from: leonffc on September 30, 2011, 06:53:08 AM
At the start of EVERY season murph has been with Fulham, he has been slated by fans in the ground and on message boards alike with the old 'his legs have gone' moan.
By the end of the season he has been hailed a midfield maestro.
Whilst I know his legs wont go on for ever, I'm willing to give him some more time to get on his game and if the fickle amongst us prove right, then edge him out slowly whilst Kassami or whoever settles in the team.
Lets not forget he was the premier leagues best / most successful passer of the ball last season. Our very own Iniesta.
Becaus he made loads of passes doesn't make him the best.
Statistics are extremely misleading and you can read them in many different ways just to suit your way of thinking.
He is actually our very own Ford Fiesta, was value for money but needs upgrading every few years.
As someone famously said, "You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." The facts show that he's the critical cog in our team -- and have shown this for quite a while. I think his skills have eroded also. The thing is, I think he's still our ONLY indispensible player.
I don't know what a player can do for Fulham that's greater than being the most important player on the pitch every time he appears.
Quote from: HatterDon on September 30, 2011, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: JBH on September 30, 2011, 07:28:03 AM
Quote from: leonffc on September 30, 2011, 06:53:08 AM
At the start of EVERY season murph has been with Fulham, he has been slated by fans in the ground and on message boards alike with the old 'his legs have gone' moan.
By the end of the season he has been hailed a midfield maestro.
Whilst I know his legs wont go on for ever, I'm willing to give him some more time to get on his game and if the fickle amongst us prove right, then edge him out slowly whilst Kassami or whoever settles in the team.
Lets not forget he was the premier leagues best / most successful passer of the ball last season. Our very own Iniesta.
Becaus he made loads of passes doesn't make him the best.
Statistics are extremely misleading and you can read them in many different ways just to suit your way of thinking.
He is actually our very own Ford Fiesta, was value for money but needs upgrading every few years.
As someone famously said, "You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." The facts show that he's the critical cog in our team -- and have shown this for quite a while. I think his skills have eroded also. The thing is, I think he's still our ONLY indispensible player.
I don't know what a player can do for Fulham that's greater than being the most important player on the pitch every time he appears.
White Witch has put a spell on you, he's gone finito, kaput.
Anyone remember who that decrepid part timer that scored for us last week when we were backslapping each other for nicking a point off Citeh?
Quote from: Jimpav on September 30, 2011, 02:53:47 PM
Anyone remember who that decrepid part timer that scored for us last week when we were backslapping each other for nicking a point off Citeh?
It was a deflection. :hook:
Quote from: Jimpav on September 30, 2011, 02:53:47 PM
Anyone remember who that decrepid part timer that scored for us last week when we were backslapping each other for nicking a point off Citeh?
He only scored because the shot was actually a misplaced pass :024: