that you would say something as ridiculous as Dempsey accepting an offer from West Ham? I have seen it from several posters and I keep thinking... surely you are not that ignorant?
If Clint and the club do not get an offer from a top 6 side or another CL caliber team from the Continent... he is not taking the move and will see out his contract...
Clint has been very clear about his desire to play at the highest levels of the game to fulfill his personal goals and never has mentioned anything about his weekly wages... EVER... West Ham could only potentially offer higher wages and nothing more... there is not a chance in HADES that he would go there so please stop with the baiting snotty comments about it...(each of you know who you are)
I'm not so sure. There's a lot of friction between him and Jol. If West Ham can convince him of its 'ambition' he might make the move.
Quote from: The Moose on August 22, 2012, 04:12:31 AM
I'm not so sure. There's a lot of friction between him and Jol. If West Ham can convince him of its 'ambition' he might make the move.
I would stake my entire closet of football shirts on it... I am so confident that this would never happen...
I rather see him stay. With the line up that we have now, Demps could still be a positive player in our squad. I dont think Kaca can last the whole season, we need someone to help him in that position
Quote from: Fulham Far East on August 22, 2012, 04:21:06 AM
I rather see him stay. With the line up that we have now, Demps could still be a positive player in our squad. I dont think Kaca can last the whole season, we need someone to help him in that position
I recognize that some of you are very offended by the thought of Clint supposedly going on strike (I was livid) but we all saw Jol back track a quite a bit the very next day... it seems quite certain that Jol wants him to play for us again if no serious offers come in... Anyone that thinks an unsold Clint past Sept 1 is not immediately back into our starting XI once fit again is fooling themselves...
This situation is exactly the same as Mark Schwarzer's Arsenal demand and the moment he was still here past the window he played... it will be the same with Clint... I love Kaca too but he is nowhere near Clint in ability right now.
Also let me head this off before I see people claim it... Yes Kaca plays a little wider and Martin has a tendency to prefer wider wingers... but if you watch all of our goals and good scoring chances... they all came through the middle (other than the corner Petric scored on)... where we played lovely combo football in the middle of the park and only occasionally with Riise providing overlapping width so don't come on here spouting delusions of grandeur about Kaca sending in by line cross after cross... Clint will replace him if he stays.
got to take a breath, macc. You don't need to fight all these guys about everything said about Deuce. What's going to happen will happen and haters gonna hate. Everytime I get a bit riled about how players are treated on this board and others, I remember what somebody posted on here a while back. He said that two guys who sit near him would spend 90 minutes ripping Murphy apart, saying that he was rubbish, a hasbeen, and a waste of money. This from his first match with us to his last.
You can't reason with people like that. You just wear yourself out trying.
Now, I'm going to go and give the same speech to the guy in the mirror.
I hope Clint stays but if he goes to West Ham/Sunderland (which is highly unlikely) he will show that his move has nothing to do with his ambition to play at the highest level possible :028:
Clint has always said he wants to play for a club that quailfies for the Champoins League. Yet he appears to want to go to Liverpool. If Clint thinks that the Pool will finish in the top 4 during his remaining playing career he is seriously deluded.
Not sure why he is getting so much flack. He is just another selfish, greedy footballer that overrates his own ability and worth. Nothing new there, we have seen a few of them come and go and I dare say we will see a few more...
On another note, Clint Tweeted that there are 2 sides to every story and the truth will come out shortly.
Well Clint we are still waiting! Haven't you and your agent been able to create a story yet atferall its not like you have anything else to do at the moment :028:
Playing at the highest level may equate to playing at highest salary.
Whether being ill advised by his agent(anxious for is cut of business being done)Mr Dempsey is little better than the scumbag Tevez in his antics.
He is under contract-end of story-Schwartzer did not follow same path.
Quote from: mccscratch on August 22, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
that you would say something as ridiculous as Dempsey accepting an offer from West Ham? I have seen it from several posters and I keep thinking... surely you are not that ignorant?
If Clint and the club do not get an offer from a top 6 side or another CL caliber team from the Continent... he is not taking the move and will see out his contract...
Clint has been very clear about his desire to play at the highest levels of the game to fulfill his personal goals and never has mentioned anything about his weekly wages... EVER... West Ham could only potentially offer higher wages and nothing more... there is not a chance in HADES that he would go there so please stop with the baiting snotty comments about it...(each of you know who you are)
Liverpool are also not going to be either a CL or top six club during the remainder of Dempseys career, and probably not in Europe after this season so whats the difference? their both 'Big clubs' if as the media suggests its based on following yet Clint has professed he wants to play for them.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 22, 2012, 09:01:26 AM
Quote from: mccscratch on August 22, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
that you would say something as ridiculous as Dempsey accepting an offer from West Ham? I have seen it from several posters and I keep thinking... surely you are not that ignorant?
If Clint and the club do not get an offer from a top 6 side or another CL caliber team from the Continent... he is not taking the move and will see out his contract...
Clint has been very clear about his desire to play at the highest levels of the game to fulfill his personal goals and never has mentioned anything about his weekly wages... EVER... West Ham could only potentially offer higher wages and nothing more... there is not a chance in HADES that he would go there so please stop with the baiting snotty comments about it...(each of you know who you are)
Liverpool are also not going to be either a CL or top six club during the remainder of Dempseys career, and probably not in Europe after this season so whats the difference? their both 'Big clubs' if as the media suggests its based on following yet Clint has professed he wants to play for them.
Perhaps we can see the light which you cannot because you stuck so far up Dempseys butt?
Quote from: mccscratch on August 22, 2012, 04:19:52 AM
Quote from: The Moose on August 22, 2012, 04:12:31 AM
I'm not so sure. There's a lot of friction between him and Jol. If West Ham can convince him of its 'ambition' he might make the move.
I would stake my entire closet of football shirts on it... I am so confident that this would never happen...
Can't help but agree with MccScratch on this one...
I'd also bet heavily against him joining the Spam.
I also don't think that there is a much tension there as we are led to believe.
Poking fun at Dempsey is all just fun for instance I tweeted '0% - Clint Dempsey has had no influence on any of Fulham's goals this season. Refusal' for a laugh. But when a person suddenly turns upon a player who plays for the club he loves, it doesn't sit well with me either.
I really think the whole thing stems from that article Dempsey penned last season, where he revealed that he was a life-long Fulham fan, who had been brought up on stories of Haynes and Mullery, who spent his youth going to the Cottage to be inspired by greats such as Jim Hicks, Stacey North and his boyhood hero, Cliffy Carr, who worked his way through the US college system with the single-minded aim of one day pulling on the white shirt of FFC and who had now fulfilled his life's ambition and was going to stay with us until he retired. Also, his wife is hot.
And we supporters, fools that we are, believed him.
Well, no more.
I can, in fact, reveal that Duplicity Dempsey is actually an American! Yes, he hails from Texas, USA, not Findlay Street, SW6 like we all believed. Worse than that, he only came to Fulham to further his career, so it was not because he loved the club and would have willingly paid to play for us. That shrine we created, in the Riverside Stand, block X, row 6, seat 42? Demolish it! Dempsey never sat there at all in his youth. He hadn't even heard of us until Brian McBride joined us, in common with all US citizens other than HatterDon and Ridgerider.
No, the man is a fake, a fraud, a charlatan and we, the fans, are absolutely justified to be outraged by this, and Dempsey deserves all the approbrium we can heap upon him.
However, his wife really is hot.
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I'm not so sure. There's a lot of friction between him and Jol. If West Ham can convince him of its 'ambition' he might make the move.
I would stake my entire closet of football shirts on it... I am so confident that this would never happen...
Can't help but agree with MccScratch on this one...
I'd also bet heavily against him joining the Spam.
I also don't think that there is a much tension there as we are led to believe.
Poking fun at Dempsey is all just fun for instance I tweeted '0% - Clint Dempsey has had no influence on any of Fulham's goals this season. Refusal' for a laugh. But when a person suddenly turns upon a player who plays for the club he loves, it doesn't sit well with me either.
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What abou a player that turns on his club?? (allegedly) :hook:
Quote from: craig10 on August 22, 2012, 09:53:35 AM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on August 22, 2012, 09:47:12 AM
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[quote author=The Moose link=topic=23995.msg296855#msg296855 date
I'm not so sure. There's a lot of friction between him and Jol. If West Ham can convince him of its 'ambition' he might make the move.
I would stake my entire closet of football shirts on it... I am so confident that this would never happen...
Can't help but agree with MccScratch on this one...
I'd also bet heavily against him joining the Spam.
I also don't think that there is a much tension there as we are led to believe.
Poking fun at Dempsey is all just fun for instance I tweeted '0% - Clint Dempsey has had no influence on any of Fulham's goals this season. Refusal' for a laugh. But when a person suddenly turns upon a player who plays for the club he loves, it doesn't sit well with me either.
What abou a player that turns on his club?? (allegedly) :hook:
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Well, see above. Don't think there is as much tension/betrayal as we are led to believe.
If a player wants to leave a club, why would you play him? He's not going to give 100% like every other player out there is. Just a common sense decision from Jol in my opinion.
Also keeps Dempsey injury free for any potential move.
Should he not move on before September 1st, he should guarantee us 100% commitment and move on in Jan/Summer.
Quote from: Fulham Far East on August 22, 2012, 04:21:06 AM
I rather see him stay. With the line up that we have now, Demps could still be a positive player in our squad. I dont think Kaca can last the whole season, we need someone to help him in that position
i am sorry, but why do you think Kaca cannot last a whole season.
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on August 22, 2012, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: craig10 on August 22, 2012, 09:53:35 AM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on August 22, 2012, 09:47:12 AM
Quote from: mccscratch on August 22, 2012, 04:19:52 AM
[quote author=The Moose link=topic=23995.msg296855#msg296855 date
I'm not so sure. There's a lot of friction between him and Jol. If West Ham can convince him of its 'ambition' he might make the move.
I would stake my entire closet of football shirts on it... I am so confident that this would never happen...
Can't help but agree with MccScratch on this one...
I'd also bet heavily against him joining the Spam.
I also don't think that there is a much tension there as we are led to believe.
Poking fun at Dempsey is all just fun for instance I tweeted '0% - Clint Dempsey has had no influence on any of Fulham's goals this season. Refusal' for a laugh. But when a person suddenly turns upon a player who plays for the club he loves, it doesn't sit well with me either.
What abou a player that turns on his club?? (allegedly) :hook:
Well, see above. Don't think there is as much tension/betrayal as we are led to believe.
If a player wants to leave a club, why would you play him? He's not going to give 100% like every other player out there is. Just a common sense decision from Jol in my opinion.
Also keeps Dempsey injury free for any potential move.
Should he not move on before September 1st, he should guarantee us 100% commitment and move on in Jan/Summer.
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Agree 100% not play him but to refuse is a poor move I feel and turning on ur team and team mates...
I am happy for him to leave and after seeing the game saturday feel we have brought in better attacking players and he perhaps holds others back being in the team. The 1 player I don't wanna see go is Dembele, that being said if they do both stay I would like to see both sign a contract so the team that has put them in the position they are in can get a reward for doing so by still gettin a (decent) fee in jan or better yet next summer
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Quote from: ClarksOriginal on August 22, 2012, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: craig10 on August 22, 2012, 09:53:35 AM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on August 22, 2012, 09:47:12 AM
Quote from: mccscratch on August 22, 2012, 04:19:52 AM
[quote author=The Moose link=topic=23995.msg296855#msg296855 date
I'm not so sure. There's a lot of friction between him and Jol. If West Ham can convince him of its 'ambition' he might make the move.
I would stake my entire closet of football shirts on it... I am so confident that this would never happen...
Can't help but agree with MccScratch on this one...
I'd also bet heavily against him joining the Spam.
I also don't think that there is a much tension there as we are led to believe.
Poking fun at Dempsey is all just fun for instance I tweeted '0% - Clint Dempsey has had no influence on any of Fulham's goals this season. Refusal' for a laugh. But when a person suddenly turns upon a player who plays for the club he loves, it doesn't sit well with me either.
What abou a player that turns on his club?? (allegedly) :hook:
Well, see above. Don't think there is as much tension/betrayal as we are led to believe.
If a player wants to leave a club, why would you play him? He's not going to give 100% like every other player out there is. Just a common sense decision from Jol in my opinion.
Also keeps Dempsey injury free for any potential move.
Should he not move on before September 1st, he should guarantee us 100% commitment and move on in Jan/Summer.
Agree 100% not play him but to refuse is a poor move I feel and turning on ur team and team mates...
I am happy for him to leave and after seeing the game saturday feel we have brought in better attacking players and he perhaps holds others back being in the team. The 1 player I don't wanna see go is Dembele, that being said if they do both stay I would like to see both sign a contract so the team that has put them in the position they are in can get a reward for doing so by still gettin a (decent) fee in jan or better yet next summer
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That's the thing though.... I don't think he's refused to play. I think he's told Jol he wants to move on and Jol hasn't played him on that basis alone. Which is a good move.
I'd rather keep Dembele. Think he has much more to offer in the short and long term.
I don't think Dempsey wants to go anywhere other than Liverpool or an actual big club, so I imagine he will refuse to move even if we agree a fee with a mid/lower table side.
If Liverpool lose at the week-end, there will be a big clamour from the fans to do something and he will be off for £6-8mill on deadline day.
Clint doesn't want to play. He is the best player? Fans annoyed? Huh
I'm not happy with the Clint situation, but I think Jol has been 'selective' with his words. I don't think Clint has ever downright refused to play, but I am sure he has made it clear that he wants a move. Jol and the Management have decided to try and engineer this move to some degree, on the pre-text that Clint is not in a fit frame of mind to play.
I can't help remembering the year of the Great Escape. Around about January, when we looked very likely to go down, Clint signed a long term deal with the Club. That showed commitment and loyalty at a time when we really needed it. So I am sure this is all six of one and half a dozen of the other. He's still a good guy in my book.
(PS I am not an American).
Quote from: mccscratch on August 22, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
that you would say something as ridiculous as Dempsey accepting an offer from West Ham? I have seen it from several posters and I keep thinking... surely you are not that ignorant?
If Clint and the club do not get an offer from a top 6 side or another CL caliber team from the Continent... he is not taking the move and will see out his contract...
Clint has been very clear about his desire to play at the highest levels of the game to fulfill his personal goals and never has mentioned anything about his weekly wages... EVER... West Ham could only potentially offer higher wages and nothing more... there is not a chance in HADES that he would go there so please stop with the baiting snotty comments about it...(each of you know who you are)
So Clint's ambition has been downgraded from `the Champions League' to `a top 6 side or another CL caliber team'.
How much further behind Liverpool were Fulham last season?
And it was reported that at least West Ham have shown enough commitment to put in an offer.
Unfortunately for Dempsey, he may have stated the urge all last season to play for a CL team, but no CL team thinks he's good enough.
He's currently been linked with Liverpool, Wet Spam and Sunderland. Not exactly mind blowing options.
We should stick to the £12m valuation. Liverpool will most likely lose all their games until the window closes, and Rodgers will be under pressure to buy him. Bish, Bash Bosh. We have 12m for a 29 year old who doesnt want to be here anymore. They have a player than wont fit into their system. Everyones a winner.
Yes he was an important player for us LAST season. So was Murphy and Pogrebneyak. Not missed any of them so far...
Question for the Mods: Why do you keep renaming and recopying this thread. This is like the 10th one. Everyone is telling the truth except Dempsey. The press would never lie and besides Dempsey is 'merikan.
:dead horse: :dead horse: :dead horse: :dead horse: :dead horse:
Quote from: mccscratch on August 22, 2012, 04:27:35 AM
Quote from: Fulham Far East on August 22, 2012, 04:21:06 AM
I rather see him stay. With the line up that we have now, Demps could still be a positive player in our squad. I dont think Kaca can last the whole season, we need someone to help him in that position
I recognize that some of you are very offended by the thought of Clint supposedly going on strike (I was livid) but we all saw Jol back track a quite a bit the very next day... it seems quite certain that Jol wants him to play for us again if no serious offers come in... Anyone that thinks an unsold Clint past Sept 1 is not immediately back into our starting XI once fit again is fooling themselves...
This situation is exactly the same as Mark Schwarzer's Arsenal demand and the moment he was still here past the window he played... it will be the same with Clint... I love Kaca too but he is nowhere near Clint in ability right now.
Also let me head this off before I see people claim it... Yes Kaca plays a little wider and Martin has a tendency to prefer wider wingers... but if you watch all of our goals and good scoring chances... they all came through the middle (other than the corner Petric scored on)... where we played lovely combo football in the middle of the park and only occasionally with Riise providing overlapping width so don't come on here spouting delusions of grandeur about Kaca sending in by line cross after cross... Clint will replace him if he stays.
Why do posters, in an attempt to defend Dempsey, have to make snide remarks about another player. That is a very low and unpleasant form of argument.
And the Schwarzer situation was not the same. Schwarzer didn't initiate the event by saying he wanted to move. Arsenal at least made a bid but it was too low for us to accept and they did not improve it. More fool them and look at the mess they have been in with goalkeepers.
Quote from: Rupert on August 22, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
I really think the whole thing stems from that article Dempsey penned last season, where he revealed that he was a life-long Fulham fan, who had been brought up on stories of Haynes and Mullery, who spent his youth going to the Cottage to be inspired by greats such as Jim Hicks, Stacey North and his boyhood hero, Cliffy Carr, who worked his way through the US college system with the single-minded aim of one day pulling on the white shirt of FFC and who had now fulfilled his life's ambition and was going to stay with us until he retired. Also, his wife is hot.
And we supporters, fools that we are, believed him.
Well, no more.
I can, in fact, reveal that Duplicity Dempsey is actually an American! Yes, he hails from Texas, USA, not Findlay Street, SW6 like we all believed. Worse than that, he only came to Fulham to further his career, so it was not because he loved the club and would have willingly paid to play for us. That shrine we created, in the Riverside Stand, block X, row 6, seat 42? Demolish it! Dempsey never sat there at all in his youth. He hadn't even heard of us until Brian McBride joined us, in common with all US citizens other than HatterDon and Ridgerider.
No, the man is a fake, a fraud, a charlatan and we, the fans, are absolutely justified to be outraged by this, and Dempsey deserves all the approbrium we can heap upon him.
However, his wife really is hot.
You totally miss the point, no matter how you dress it up, mind not focused, did not want to get injured, wanted to stay in UK to talk to potential suitors, he refused to play for us, something that is frowned upon regardless of what team or whatever player is involved.
This is why the Fulham fans that help pay his wages with their own hard earned wage have turned on him. We all accepted that IF a club came in with a reasonable offer he was off and good luck to him.
The manner in how he is trying to achieve his goal has achieved only one thing so far and that is to destroy a lot of goodwill and affection for him from Fulham supporters.
We all have favorite players but support Fulham come rain or shine, have no reason to question their version of events especially over a players vague statement.
Quote from: Ordar on August 22, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Unfortunately for Dempsey, he may have stated the urge all last season to play for a CL team, but no CL team thinks he's good enough.
He's currently been linked with Liverpool, Wet Spam and Sunderland. Not exactly mind blowing options.
We should stick to the £12m valuation. Liverpool will most likely lose all their games until the window closes, and Rodgers will be under pressure to buy him. Bish, Bash Bosh. We have 12m for a 29 year old who doesnt want to be here anymore. They have a player than wont fit into their system. Everyones a winner.
Yes he was an important player for us LAST season. So was Murphy and Pogrebneyak. Not missed any of them so far...
+1
. . . though I fear Dempsey's behaviour has not only damaged his reputation but his value and that we will be lucky to get £6m for him now.
Quote from: JBH on August 22, 2012, 07:46:04 AM
On another note, Clint Tweeted that there are 2 sides to every story and the truth will come out shortly.
Well Clint we are still waiting! Haven't you and your agent been able to create a story yet atferall its not like you have anything else to do at the moment :028:
By which he probably means that the club want to sell him. And why wouldn't they after he's caused such a fuss and looks very unlikely to sign an extension.
Quote from: Ordar on August 22, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Unfortunately for Dempsey, he may have stated the urge all last season to play for a CL team, but no CL team thinks he's good enough.
He's currently been linked with Liverpool, Wet Spam and Sunderland. Not exactly mind blowing options.
We should stick to the £12m valuation. Liverpool will most likely lose all their games until the window closes, and Rodgers will be under pressure to buy him. Bish, Bash Bosh. We have 12m for a 29 year old who doesnt want to be here anymore. They have a player than wont fit into their system. Everyones a winner.
Yes he was an important player for us LAST season. So was Murphy and Pogrebneyak. Not missed any of them so far...
Why exactly wouldn't he fit into their system? I see no reason.
This is getting :55: now. What will be will be.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 22, 2012, 11:58:03 AM
Quote from: Rupert on August 22, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
I really think the whole thing stems from that article Dempsey penned last season, where he revealed that he was a life-long Fulham fan, who had been brought up on stories of Haynes and Mullery, who spent his youth going to the Cottage to be inspired by greats such as Jim Hicks, Stacey North and his boyhood hero, Cliffy Carr, who worked his way through the US college system with the single-minded aim of one day pulling on the white shirt of FFC and who had now fulfilled his life's ambition and was going to stay with us until he retired. Also, his wife is hot.
And we supporters, fools that we are, believed him.
Well, no more.
I can, in fact, reveal that Duplicity Dempsey is actually an American! Yes, he hails from Texas, USA, not Findlay Street, SW6 like we all believed. Worse than that, he only came to Fulham to further his career, so it was not because he loved the club and would have willingly paid to play for us. That shrine we created, in the Riverside Stand, block X, row 6, seat 42? Demolish it! Dempsey never sat there at all in his youth. He hadn't even heard of us until Brian McBride joined us, in common with all US citizens other than HatterDon and Ridgerider.
No, the man is a fake, a fraud, a charlatan and we, the fans, are absolutely justified to be outraged by this, and Dempsey deserves all the approbrium we can heap upon him.
However, his wife really is hot.
You totally miss the point, no matter how you dress it up, mind not focused, did not want to get injured, wanted to stay in UK to talk to potential suitors, he refused to play for us, something that is frowned upon regardless of what team or whatever player is involved.
This is why the Fulham fans that help pay his wages with their own hard earned wage have turned on him. We all accepted that IF a club came in with a reasonable offer he was off and good luck to him.
The manner in how he is trying to achieve his goal has achieved only one thing so far and that is to destroy a lot of goodwill and affection for him from Fulham supporters.
We all have favorite players but support Fulham come rain or shine, have no reason to question their version of events especially over a players vague statement.
Please excuse me if I try to avoid turning this into a "you miss the point, no, you miss the point, no, you...." type exchange.
I do not have a spycam on the wall of Martin Jol's office, security took it off me when I went on the Motspur Park tour, and I strongly suspect that you do not, either, as those lads were fully alert when we rolled up.
So, we are all reacting to reported words and motives which, in the past, have turned out to not be the full story (Saha's sale, for example, over Coleman's dead body but with the full blessing of the CEO so we could pay to revamp the Cottage).
So, I refuse to get drawn in unless, however unlikely, we hear the same story from both parties.
Clint has apparantly tweeted that there are two sides to every story, perhaps in time he will give us his, possibly he doesn't want to burn his bridges right now in case any move fails to materialise, Jol himself has hinted that Dempsey deserves better from us.
So, for now I reserve all my options, and I will not look like a prize fool in a few months from now if we are all hailing Clint smacking in the winner for us in the League Cup final, other people are busy digging themselves into a hole, should that happen.
And that is the sole point I am willing to make right now.
Well as i'm enjoying a tea cake in M&S so am at peace with the world at the moment, could i ask that there be a bit of calm about Dempsey, well at least until we hear some fresh news, then that will no doubt be another frenzie. Also i'd like to add that Dempsey is hot as well as his wife, although that doesn't affect my opinion of him regarding the transfer carrying ons!
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Please excuse me if I try to avoid turning this into a "you miss the point, no, you miss the point, no, you...." type exchange.
I do not have a spycam on the wall of Martin Jol's office, security took it off me when I went on the Motspur Park tour, and I strongly suspect that you do not, either, as those lads were fully alert when we rolled up.
So, we are all reacting to reported words and motives which, in the past, have turned out to not be the full story (Saha's sale, for example, over Coleman's dead body but with the full blessing of the CEO so we could pay to revamp the Cottage).
So, I refuse to get drawn in unless, however unlikely, we hear the same story from both parties.
Clint has apparantly tweeted that there are two sides to every story, perhaps in time he will give us his, possibly he doesn't want to burn his bridges right now in case any move fails to materialise, Jol himself has hinted that Dempsey deserves better from us.
So, for now I reserve all my options, and I will not look like a prize fool in a few months from now if we are all hailing Clint smacking in the winner for us in the League Cup final, other people are busy digging themselves into a hole, should that happen.
And that is the sole point I am willing to make right now.
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Someone actually gets it. Top class post Rupert
Quote from: Rupert on August 22, 2012, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 22, 2012, 11:58:03 AM
Quote from: Rupert on August 22, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
I really think the whole thing stems from that article Dempsey penned last season, where he revealed that he was a life-long Fulham fan, who had been brought up on stories of Haynes and Mullery, who spent his youth going to the Cottage to be inspired by greats such as Jim Hicks, Stacey North and his boyhood hero, Cliffy Carr, who worked his way through the US college system with the single-minded aim of one day pulling on the white shirt of FFC and who had now fulfilled his life's ambition and was going to stay with us until he retired. Also, his wife is hot.
And we supporters, fools that we are, believed him.
Well, no more.
I can, in fact, reveal that Duplicity Dempsey is actually an American! Yes, he hails from Texas, USA, not Findlay Street, SW6 like we all believed. Worse than that, he only came to Fulham to further his career, so it was not because he loved the club and would have willingly paid to play for us. That shrine we created, in the Riverside Stand, block X, row 6, seat 42? Demolish it! Dempsey never sat there at all in his youth. He hadn't even heard of us until Brian McBride joined us, in common with all US citizens other than HatterDon and Ridgerider.
No, the man is a fake, a fraud, a charlatan and we, the fans, are absolutely justified to be outraged by this, and Dempsey deserves all the approbrium we can heap upon him.
However, his wife really is hot.
You totally miss the point, no matter how you dress it up, mind not focused, did not want to get injured, wanted to stay in UK to talk to potential suitors, he refused to play for us, something that is frowned upon regardless of what team or whatever player is involved.
This is why the Fulham fans that help pay his wages with their own hard earned wage have turned on him. We all accepted that IF a club came in with a reasonable offer he was off and good luck to him.
The manner in how he is trying to achieve his goal has achieved only one thing so far and that is to destroy a lot of goodwill and affection for him from Fulham supporters.
We all have favorite players but support Fulham come rain or shine, have no reason to question their version of events especially over a players vague statement.
Please excuse me if I try to avoid turning this into a "you miss the point, no, you miss the point, no, you...." type exchange.
I do not have a spycam on the wall of Martin Jol's office, security took it off me when I went on the Motspur Park tour, and I strongly suspect that you do not, either, as those lads were fully alert when we rolled up.
So, we are all reacting to reported words and motives which, in the past, have turned out to not be the full story (Saha's sale, for example, over Coleman's dead body but with the full blessing of the CEO so we could pay to revamp the Cottage).
So, I refuse to get drawn in unless, however unlikely, we hear the same story from both parties.
Clint has apparantly tweeted that there are two sides to every story, perhaps in time he will give us his, possibly he doesn't want to burn his bridges right now in case any move fails to materialise, Jol himself has hinted that Dempsey deserves better from us.
So, for now I reserve all my options, and I will not look like a prize fool in a few months from now if we are all hailing Clint smacking in the winner for us in the League Cup final, other people are busy digging themselves into a hole, should that happen.
And that is the sole point I am willing to make right now.
Rupert, you really are missing the point. Sarah Brookes said Dempsey refused to play so that is that and we have no other option but to believe her. Jol hinting that Dempsey deserves better and reserving your options. Come now, stating that you really don't know what happened and trying to sort out the what transpired through reason. What kind of fan are you sir? Same kind as me I guess. :doh:
I wish I could close with something like
Nogood "trying to spit the Sarah Brookes bit out of your mouth is it" Boyo without violating the FOF copyright rules. Just to make the legal disclaimer:
The above thoughts are not those of Nogood Boyo and in no way can he be held responsible for my insanity.
I can't belive that there is anyone out there that cannot see that in a player v club dispute (any player and any club) the vast majority of the fans will side with the club...
Quote from: Ordar on August 22, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Unfortunately for Dempsey, he may have stated the urge all last season to play for a CL team, but no CL team thinks he's good enough.
He's currently been linked with Liverpool, Wet Spam and Sunderland. Not exactly mind blowing options.
We should stick to the £12m valuation. Liverpool will most likely lose all their games until the window closes, and Rodgers will be under pressure to buy him. Bish, Bash Bosh. We have 12m for a 29 year old who doesnt want to be here anymore. They have a player than wont fit into their system. Everyones a winner.
Yes he was an important player for us LAST season. So was Murphy and Pogrebneyak. Not missed any of them so far...
If The Pog was "important" for us last season, he'd still be here.
Murph was important, but we were only ever going to offer him 1 yr deals b/c of his age. He found a better deal with more stability than we felt comfortable with.
And as far as not missing anyone, we've played one match......against
Norwich. And they did plenty to help us score against them. Let's not start counting our chickens yet.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 22, 2012, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: Ordar on August 22, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Unfortunately for Dempsey, he may have stated the urge all last season to play for a CL team, but no CL team thinks he's good enough.
He's currently been linked with Liverpool, Wet Spam and Sunderland. Not exactly mind blowing options.
We should stick to the £12m valuation. Liverpool will most likely lose all their games until the window closes, and Rodgers will be under pressure to buy him. Bish, Bash Bosh. We have 12m for a 29 year old who doesnt want to be here anymore. They have a player than wont fit into their system. Everyones a winner.
Yes he was an important player for us LAST season. So was Murphy and Pogrebneyak. Not missed any of them so far...
If The Pog was "important" for us last season, he'd still be here.
Murph was important, but we were only ever going to offer him 1 yr deals b/c of his age. He found a better deal with more stability than we felt comfortable with.
And as far as not missing anyone, we've played one match......against Norwich. And they did plenty to help us score against them. Let's not start counting our chickens yet.
:plus one:
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 22, 2012, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: Ordar on August 22, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Unfortunately for Dempsey, he may have stated the urge all last season to play for a CL team, but no CL team thinks he's good enough.
He's currently been linked with Liverpool, Wet Spam and Sunderland. Not exactly mind blowing options.
We should stick to the £12m valuation. Liverpool will most likely lose all their games until the window closes, and Rodgers will be under pressure to buy him. Bish, Bash Bosh. We have 12m for a 29 year old who doesnt want to be here anymore. They have a player than wont fit into their system. Everyones a winner.
Yes he was an important player for us LAST season. So was Murphy and Pogrebneyak. Not missed any of them so far...
If The Pog was "important" for us last season, he'd still be here.
Murph was important, but we were only ever going to offer him 1 yr deals b/c of his age. He found a better deal with more stability than we felt comfortable with.
And as far as not missing anyone, we've played one match......against Norwich. And they did plenty to help us score against them. Let's not start counting our chickens yet.
Pog was important last season because scored some goals (sound familiar?) when he replaced Zamora. He is not with us because, like Murphy, he found an offer better than we were prepared to give him.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 22, 2012, 02:58:40 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 22, 2012, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: Ordar on August 22, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Unfortunately for Dempsey, he may have stated the urge all last season to play for a CL team, but no CL team thinks he's good enough.
He's currently been linked with Liverpool, Wet Spam and Sunderland. Not exactly mind blowing options.
We should stick to the £12m valuation. Liverpool will most likely lose all their games until the window closes, and Rodgers will be under pressure to buy him. Bish, Bash Bosh. We have 12m for a 29 year old who doesnt want to be here anymore. They have a player than wont fit into their system. Everyones a winner.
Yes he was an important player for us LAST season. So was Murphy and Pogrebneyak. Not missed any of them so far...
If The Pog was "important" for us last season, he'd still be here.
Murph was important, but we were only ever going to offer him 1 yr deals b/c of his age. He found a better deal with more stability than we felt comfortable with.
And as far as not missing anyone, we've played one match......against Norwich. And they did plenty to help us score against them. Let's not start counting our chickens yet.
Pog was important last season because scored some goals (sound familiar?) when he replaced Zamora. He is not with us because, like Murphy, he found an offer better than we were prepared to give him.
Yes. Scored some goals, granted. But, unlike Zamora, he has a terrible first touch and was a liability to many an offensive movement IMHO.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 22, 2012, 03:04:50 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 22, 2012, 02:58:40 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 22, 2012, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: Ordar on August 22, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Unfortunately for Dempsey, he may have stated the urge all last season to play for a CL team, but no CL team thinks he's good enough.
He's currently been linked with Liverpool, Wet Spam and Sunderland. Not exactly mind blowing options.
We should stick to the £12m valuation. Liverpool will most likely lose all their games until the window closes, and Rodgers will be under pressure to buy him. Bish, Bash Bosh. We have 12m for a 29 year old who doesnt want to be here anymore. They have a player than wont fit into their system. Everyones a winner.
Yes he was an important player for us LAST season. So was Murphy and Pogrebneyak. Not missed any of them so far...
If The Pog was "important" for us last season, he'd still be here.
Murph was important, but we were only ever going to offer him 1 yr deals b/c of his age. He found a better deal with more stability than we felt comfortable with.
And as far as not missing anyone, we've played one match......against Norwich. And they did plenty to help us score against them. Let's not start counting our chickens yet.
Pog was important last season because scored some goals (sound familiar?) when he replaced Zamora. He is not with us because, like Murphy, he found an offer better than we were prepared to give him.
Yes. Scored some goals, granted. But, unlike Zamora, he has a terrible first touch and was a liability to many an offensive movement IMHO.
With not very good aerial skills as well. If he was all that, we'd have come up with the ducats and he'd still be wearing a triple over sized white kappa kit with stripes and sexually ambiguous trademark.
The definitive end to the debate that is the epitaph on all Makepeace with Dempsey threads - that is until we hear his side of the story or he knocks a stonking plethora of goals for us.
From Barry "is a great wit with wisdom beyond his years, isit" P
Nogood "I wish I could close with something like Nogood "trying to spit the Sarah Brookes bit out of your mouth is it" Boyo without violating the FOF copyright rules. Just to make the legal disclaimer: The above thoughts are not those of Nogood Boyo and in no way can he be held responsible for my insanity," isit Boyo
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 22, 2012, 01:53:37 PM
I can't belive that there is anyone out there that cannot see that in a player v club dispute (any player and any club) the vast majority of the fans will side with the club...
Shouldn't fans support the club? maybe that's what you're saying and I misread. This is one American that does not support the way dempsey is handling the situation. I do however support his choice to further his career if he feels he can do that elsewhere. but just don't be a d-bag about it. starting to remind me of the brett favre - green bay fiasco we dealt with here in the NFL for 3+ years.
mccscratch you ask : Why are some you on here so snide about the Dempsey situation
IMO it is a self defence mechanism, we watched mean things happen with our favourite players, watched Fulham through and threw men, walk away without a backward glance
in recent years there was :
The Louis *over-my-dead-body* Saha
Leggy left out in the cold
Harry Bales just went ....puff !
Steeeeeeeeeeeed wouldn't sign a contract
Our boy, No 23 went to a 'bigger club'
And the worst of all, our dead snake and our captain sold to Spam in the middle of the night like and illegal fighting ****
..and don't get me started on Alain Goma
We just have to wait and see how this thing pans out ........................
Quote from: dtowndough on August 22, 2012, 05:56:56 PM
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 22, 2012, 01:53:37 PM
I can't belive that there is anyone out there that cannot see that in a player v club dispute (any player and any club) the vast majority of the fans will side with the club...
Shouldn't fans support the club? maybe that's what you're saying and I misread. This is one American that does not support the way dempsey is handling the situation. I do however support his choice to further his career if he feels he can do that elsewhere. but just don't be a d-bag about it. starting to remind me of the brett favre - green bay fiasco we dealt with here in the NFL for 3+ years.
Be disgusted with Dempsey if you like of course but I am not sure how this can remind you of the Brett Favre situation other than the media hype. Favre pulled his stunt year after year and would never make up his mind what he wanted. I think the one thing most of us can agree on is Dempsey has made it clear he wants to leave. Open debate seems to be how big a prat Dempsey has been versus has the club played a part in holding him out of training.
KCat's right, we really should wait to see how things pan out. Of course, as Tom Petty will tell you The Waiting is the Hardest Part. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMyCa35_mOg#)
Very true words by Tom Petty
Its been my impression that Clint has been training with the first team and/or the first team staff since he first returned in pre-season. My reading of the situation and what Jol seems to be saying is that Clint has said something "Look guys I really want to move on. I'm not trying to make trouble but I think I've gone as far as I can here and I want a new challenge. I'd like to work with you to get the best price for the club but that probably needs me to stay injury free wouldn't you say? The quicker we can get the deal done the quicker you guys can spend the money and we can all move on. But until then isn't in both our interests that I sit out of first team games to eliminate the risk of me getting crocked?"
http://www.espn.co.uk/espn/sport/video_audio/165833.html?CMP=OTC-RSS;genre=1;sport=3 (http://www.espn.co.uk/espn/sport/video_audio/165833.html?CMP=OTC-RSS;genre=1;sport=3)
Jol said in the Fulham Business Club gathering earlier in the year that if Dempsey wouldn't sign a new contract the club would sell him this summer. But they can't sell him if there are no 'sensible' offers and you may only get those in the last days of the window.
Clint is still tweeting reasonably regualrly with fishing pics and comments like 'The truth will come out' etc. Of course the lad is miffed that things aren't going smoothly and that the fans have in parts turned against him. These things happen when you want to move. One things is for sure - no-one knows the truth - not Dempsey, not his brother and not the club. Its all about your personal perception of the situation and how that is coloured by your personality and your priorities.
If I sat down with Bethany Dempsey, **** Jol or Clint's agent and they were all totally open and honest with me I would still get three very different perspectives on the situation - so there is no real inside info - its all just opinions.
My take on it is that the club have acted too slowly to get Dempsey to the table and that has possibly been perceived as meaning that club do not value him as much as he might like. He has given everything for the club and been the top performer of the last couple of seasons but they have not seemed to respond as many clubs would do contract-wise with a player of such importance. I think this has inclined Clint to think about other options and the senior figures at Liverpool have been very vocal about their desire to have him play for them and maximise his American marketing potential. There must have been contact between Fenway and Clint's agent and this is where the problems seem to have occurred. It looks like Clint has been very badly advised and this has led to him and Fulham FC being painted into a corner. These things happen. He will be gone soon and everyone will move on.
Quote from: White Noise on August 22, 2012, 06:59:27 PM
Its been my impression that Clint has been training with the first team and/or the first team staff since he first returned in pre-season. My reading of the situation and what Jol seems to be saying is that Clint has said something "Look guys I really want to move on. I'm not trying to make trouble but I think I've gone as far as I can here and I want a new challenge. I'd like to work with you to get the best price for the club but that probably needs me to stay injury free wouldn't you say? The quicker we can get the deal done the quicker you guys can spend the money and we can all move on. But until then isn't in both our interests that I sit out of first team games to eliminate the risk of me getting crocked?"
http://www.espn.co.uk/espn/sport/video_audio/165833.html?CMP=OTC-RSS;genre=1;sport=3 (http://www.espn.co.uk/espn/sport/video_audio/165833.html?CMP=OTC-RSS;genre=1;sport=3)
Jol said in the Fulham Business Club gathering earlier in the year that if Dempsey wouldn't sign a new contract the club would sell him this summer. But they can't sell him if there are no 'sensible' offers and you may only get those in the last days of the window.
Clint is still tweeting reasonably regualrly with fishing pics and comments like 'The truth will come out' etc. Of course the lad is miffed that things aren't going smoothly and that the fans have in parts turned against him. These things happen when you want to move. One things is for sure - no-one knows the truth - not Dempsey, not his brother and not the club. Its all about your personal perception of the situation and how that is coloured by your personality and your priorities.
If I sat down with Bethany Dempsey, **** Jol or Clint's agent and they were all totally open and honest with me I would still get three very different perspectives on the situation - so there is no real inside info - its all just opinions.
My take on it is that the club have acted too slowly to get Dempsey to the table and that has possibly been perceived as meaning that club do not value him as much as he might like. He has given everything for the club and been the top performer of the last couple of seasons but they have not seemed to respond as many clubs would do contract-wise with a player of such importance. I think this has inclined Clint to think about other options and the senior figures at Liverpool have been very vocal about their desire to have him play for them and maximise his American marketing potential. There must have been contact between Fenway and Clint's agent and this is where the problems seem to have occurred. It looks like Clint has been very badly advised and this has led to him and Fulham FC being painted into a corner. These things happen. He will be gone soon and everyone will move on.
All of this and I'll further it by saying how are we to know that the "other side of the story" that Clint is talking about means he has a feud with the club? The statments and responses out of both Dempseys camp and the clubs have been measured and calm. The apparent "feuding" is something that has been drummed up by horrible media reporting in an attempt to discredit the club, discredit Dempsey, discredit Martin Jol, and discredit the fact that a player like Clint Dempsey last year very plainly was the second most valuable player in the league after RVP. When reading any of these feud stories I always ask where are the recent and relevant quotes? There aren't any. They are taken from an ESPN.com feature on Dempsey from August of 2011 or from Jol's press conference last week and strung together to give the appearance that the whole of Fulham football is crumbling at it's very foundations. The fact remains that Fulham are closer to being a champions league club than ANY of the clubs Dempsey has been linked with and certainly over the last ten years has been a more prestigious club than all but Liverpool.
We are on our way up in the league and part of the reason for that has been the play of Clint Dempsey in his time at Fulham. Guys like him, Davies, Murphy, Zamora, Hughes, Hangenland, they have set the bar for what the club expects. You're seeing guys like Dembele, Ruiz, Kaca, and Frei take that next step and become better footballers because of what the aforementioned have accomplished. So if Dempsey stays great! We may challenge Chelsea and Tottenheim for a top five spot this year (and it's time some of you stop mopping around about how horrible our fortunes are when it's obvious to those of us not obsessed by the names on the front of the jersey but the value the names on the back of the jerseys that this club is very close). If Dempsey chooses to be a part of the future of this club and the next step it is on the brink of taking then great. If not then so be it, at the very least maybe freeing up his wages will allow us to give a better deal to a player like Dembele and keep him around.
Quote from: BarryP on August 22, 2012, 06:25:24 PM
Quote from: dtowndough on August 22, 2012, 05:56:56 PM
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 22, 2012, 01:53:37 PM
I can't belive that there is anyone out there that cannot see that in a player v club dispute (any player and any club) the vast majority of the fans will side with the club...
Shouldn't fans support the club? maybe that's what you're saying and I misread. This is one American that does not support the way dempsey is handling the situation. I do however support his choice to further his career if he feels he can do that elsewhere. but just don't be a d-bag about it. starting to remind me of the brett favre - green bay fiasco we dealt with here in the NFL for 3+ years.
Be disgusted with Dempsey if you like of course but I am not sure how this can remind you of the Brett Favre situation other than the media hype. Favre pulled his stunt year after year and would never make up his mind what he wanted. I think the one thing most of us can agree on is Dempsey has made it clear he wants to leave. Open debate seems to be how big a prat Dempsey has been versus has the club played a part in holding him out of training.
KCat's right, we really should wait to see how things pan out. Of course, as Tom Petty will tell you The Waiting is the Hardest Part. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMyCa35_mOg#)
Yes Barry, the media part. But until today, also the way dempsey was handling it.
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 22, 2012, 07:25:39 AM
Not sure why he is getting so much flack. He is just another selfish, greedy footballer that overrates his own ability and worth. Nothing new there, we have seen a few of them come and go and I dare say we will see a few more...
This is a good working definition of a professional footballer -- ANY professional footballer
AND
any professional musician
any professional actor
any professional medical doctor
any professional politician
any professional lawyer
any professional movie or stage director.
I'm intrigued that people think that anyone can succeed in these fields without having a healthy ego and an exaggerated view of him/herself. I think these are the same folks that bemoan the board making a decision without consulting the fans -- as if any fans anywhere at any time made any large decisions for the club.
Quote from: Ordar on August 22, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Unfortunately for Dempsey, he may have stated the urge all last season to play for a CL team, but no CL team thinks he's good enough.
He's currently been linked with Liverpool, Wet Spam and Sunderland. Not exactly mind blowing options.
We should stick to the £12m valuation. Liverpool will most likely lose all their games until the window closes, and Rodgers will be under pressure to buy him. Bish, Bash Bosh. We have 12m for a 29 year old who doesnt want to be here anymore. They have a player than wont fit into their system. Everyones a winner.
Yes he was an important player for us LAST season. So was Murphy and Pogrebneyak. Not missed any of them so far...
Nor should you this deep into the season. Only 37 of 38 matches left to play.
QuoteIf I sat down with Bethany Dempsey, **** Jol or Clint's agent and they were all totally open and honest with me I would still get three very different perspectives on the situation - so there is no real inside info - its all just opinions.
and, Mr. Noise, if
I sat down with Bethany Dempsey, I'd probably be too gobsmacked to ask her about anything.
Quote from: HatterDon on August 22, 2012, 08:38:53 PM
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 22, 2012, 07:25:39 AM
Not sure why he is getting so much flack. He is just another selfish, greedy footballer that overrates his own ability and worth. Nothing new there, we have seen a few of them come and go and I dare say we will see a few more...
This is a good working definition of a professional footballer -- ANY professional footballer
AND
any professional musician
any professional actor
any professional medical doctor
any professional politician
any professional lawyer
any professional movie or stage director.
I'm intrigued that people think that anyone can succeed in these fields without having a healthy ego and an exaggerated view of him/herself. I think these are the same folks that bemoan the board making a decision without consulting the fans -- as if any fans anywhere at any time made any large decisions for the club.
Don, I don't want this to turn into a hijacking, but it's not the ego I have a problem with. it's the attitude and how one carries themselves. I think Dempsey could have been more professional, from the little i've read. I certainly dont pretend to know even 1% of what is/has happened. But more importantly, I agree, most of the positions you list require an ego to some extent. however, someone can still display humility and grace while maintaining that ego. In the end, I would love to have dempsey play out his career with Fulham. but I'm not naive enough to think that will happen. I just hope they can get through it in a diplomatic fashion. i don't want a reason to be angry with either.
Quote from: HatterDon on August 22, 2012, 08:38:53 PM
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 22, 2012, 07:25:39 AM
Not sure why he is getting so much flack. He is just another selfish, greedy footballer that overrates his own ability and worth. Nothing new there, we have seen a few of them come and go and I dare say we will see a few more...
This is a good working definition of a professional footballer -- ANY professional footballer
AND
any professional musician
any professional actor
any professional medical doctor
any professional politician
any professional lawyer
any professional movie or stage director.
I'm intrigued that people think that anyone can succeed in these fields without having a healthy ego and an exaggerated view of him/herself. I think these are the same folks that bemoan the board making a decision without consulting the fans -- as if any fans anywhere at any time made any large decisions for the club.
i've expressed my strong disagreement with this widely-held view on other threads. it's utter rubbish.
for a start, i either work with or know people in at least half of those categories and can say with some conviction that they're not all selfish, disloyal egotists; those characteristics aren't necessary for success in those professions.
secondly, to the extent that a majority of them are like that--and this is the important bit--it doesn't make it right, and doesn't mean we shouldn't try to stamp it out.
finally, footballers are paid more money than most of these guys could actually spend. if i was getting paid £50k a week to play football in front of 30,000 people singing my name, i wouldn't be thinking of changing jobs!!
Quote from: mccscratch on August 22, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
that you would say something as ridiculous as Dempsey accepting an offer from West Ham? I have seen it from several posters and I keep thinking... surely you are not that ignorant?
If Clint and the club do not get an offer from a top 6 side or another CL caliber team from the Continent... he is not taking the move and will see out his contract...
Clint has been very clear about his desire to play at the highest levels of the game to fulfill his personal goals and never has mentioned anything about his weekly wages... EVER... West Ham could only potentially offer higher wages and nothing more... there is not a chance in HADES that he would go there so please stop with the baiting snotty comments about it...(each of you know who you are)
Hahaha cos it is outright wrong to suggest Clint is in any way in the wrong! Haha Dempsey fanboy Alert!!!!!
finally, footballers are paid more money than most of these guys could actually spend. if i was getting paid £50k a week to play football in front of 30,000 people singing my name, i wouldn't be thinking of changing jobs!!
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You would be thinking of changing jobs if that 50K turned into 100K and if that 30,000 was 75,000. well, i know i would.
In time he will just be "that american bloke that missed the penalty against Chelsea that would have allowed us to beat them in the league, in only the second time in 20 odd years ..."
Pretty much the same as Bullard is now that "ulgy bloke who fished a lot..."
Quote from: dtowndough on August 22, 2012, 11:03:18 PM
finally, footballers are paid more money than most of these guys could actually spend. if i was getting paid £50k a week to play football in front of 30,000 people singing my name, i wouldn't be thinking of changing jobs!!
You would be thinking of changing jobs if that 50K turned into 100K and if that 30,000 was 75,000. well, i know i would.
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no, i honestly wouldn't mate, and that's the point! have we all become such vacuous, mammon-worshipping scumbags that even if we were multi-millionaires, we'd compromise decency, loyalty and the like for more filthy lucre?!?! i think and hope not, but maybe i'm wrong.
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 22, 2012, 11:04:25 PM
In time he will just be "that american bloke that missed the penalty against Chelsea that would have allowed us to beat them in the league, in only the second time in 20 odd years ..."
Pretty much the same as Bullard is now that "ulgy bloke who fished a lot..."
ha, class! and true
Quote from: Terry Angus on August 22, 2012, 11:08:23 PM
Quote from: dtowndough on August 22, 2012, 11:03:18 PM
finally, footballers are paid more money than most of these guys could actually spend. if i was getting paid £50k a week to play football in front of 30,000 people singing my name, i wouldn't be thinking of changing jobs!!
You would be thinking of changing jobs if that 50K turned into 100K and if that 30,000 was 75,000. well, i know i would.
no, i honestly wouldn't mate, and that's the point! have we all become such vacuous, mammon-worshipping scumbags that even if we were multi-millionaires, we'd compromise decency, loyalty and the like for more filthy lucre?!?! i think and hope not, but maybe i'm wrong.
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sorry for making that assumption. And I would like to tell myself that i would be in the same boat with you and say "not a chance in hell." but i honestly don't know.
An investment banker once told me: "No matter how much money they have, it's never enough because somebody always has more."
Nopgood "wise insight into human nature, itis" Boyo
And how come I always get to start the new page?
Nogood "top o' page, isit" Boyo
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on August 22, 2012, 11:36:36 PM
And how come I always get to start the new page?
Nogood "top o' page, isit" Boyo
Because your posts are so good they need top billing!
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on August 22, 2012, 11:36:36 PM
And how come I always get to start the new page?
Nogood "top o' page, isit" Boyo
I thought it was because it is easier to scroll through the top ones until you get to the clever, insightful ones.
Or maybe not.
I like those answers. Clever they are - especially Ridge's.
Nogood "flattery is the sincerest form of.....something, isit" Boyo
Quote from: Terry Angus on August 22, 2012, 11:08:23 PM
Quote from: dtowndough on August 22, 2012, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Terry Angus on August 22, 2012, 11:08:23 PM
finally, footballers are paid more money than most of these guys could actually spend. if i was getting paid £50k a week to play football in front of 30,000 people singing my name, i wouldn't be thinking of changing jobs!!
You would be thinking of changing jobs if that 50K turned into 100K and if that 30,000 was 75,000. well, i know i would.
no, i honestly wouldn't mate, and that's the point! have we all become such vacuous, mammon-worshipping scumbags that even if we were multi-millionaires, we'd compromise decency, loyalty and the like for more filthy lucre?!?! i think and hope not, but maybe i'm wrong.
Just curious, do we only apply this standard to players who leave Fulham, or is it applicable to guys like Hangeland, Ruiz and Dembele when they come to play for us? They all left good clubs in their respective leagues that had a better shot at silverware, as well as Europa & Champs Lg football, than Fulham traditionally have. Yet none of our supporters seem to take any issue with that.
The problem is where we draw that line between ambition and greed. While we know where you apparantly would draw it (which coincidently caps out at a level that our club can afford), that line is going to differ for pretty much everyone. Most players will set that line at the max level their talent (in their opinion) will allow.
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on August 22, 2012, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: mccscratch on August 22, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
that you would say something as ridiculous as Dempsey accepting an offer from West Ham? I have seen it from several posters and I keep thinking... surely you are not that ignorant?
If Clint and the club do not get an offer from a top 6 side or another CL caliber team from the Continent... he is not taking the move and will see out his contract...
Clint has been very clear about his desire to play at the highest levels of the game to fulfill his personal goals and never has mentioned anything about his weekly wages... EVER... West Ham could only potentially offer higher wages and nothing more... there is not a chance in HADES that he would go there so please stop with the baiting snotty comments about it...(each of you know who you are)
Hahaha cos it is outright wrong to suggest Clint is in any way in the wrong! Haha Dempsey fanboy Alert!!!!!
First off... before you and your unripened post count come over to this forum and start doling out the term "fan boy"... you better check yourself...
Secondly, if Clint is actually sitting out to force a move... he is in the wrong 100%, it is unprofessional to the max but as we all know Martin backtracked and distanced himself from Ms Sarah's comments from last Friday after the match on Saturday.
Lastly, my comment from the very beginning since I am indeed the OP was referring to people having the jilted lover syndrome and snidely saying that Clint would go to West Ham which anyone who has followed him over the past years knows is not what he is about... money is not Clint's incentive and never has been... he has been very clear that he has dreams and goals to play at the highest level of the game, not for a higher wage packet down the road at a club far less capable than the one he is currently at...
Back to that jilted lover syndrome.... it is almost sickening how bad some of you have it... it really is okay to admit that Clint was a gigantic part of bringing this club from being yearly relegation fodder to a strong and respected club hovering probably somewhere around the top 30 clubs in Europe right now... Just because he pissed you off at the moment it does not mean you need to denigrate his worth to us all.
Didn't Martin just say its a difficult situation because Clint doesn't want to get injured as it may ruin a move. Is that distancing or a nice way to say he doesn't want to play.
Quote from: Jack Fulham on August 23, 2012, 02:33:16 AM
Didn't Martin just say its a difficult situation because Clint doesn't want to get injured as it may ruin a move. Is that distancing or a nice way to say he doesn't want to play.
Jack Fulham... again the thread was not about whether Clint is wrong or right (I am of the feeling that he and his agent are going about this wrong way).. it is about the snide comments regarding him going to a place like West Ham... there is no chance of this and people are only saying it because they feel betrayed... they all know there is no chance of this happening. Jilted lovers... Hot ass GF and you show her off to all your mates but the moment she moves on with someone else... she instantly becomes not nearly as hot out of spite...
Quote from: mccscratch on August 23, 2012, 02:47:04 AM
Quote from: Jack Fulham on August 23, 2012, 02:33:16 AM
Didn't Martin just say its a difficult situation because Clint doesn't want to get injured as it may ruin a move. Is that distancing or a nice way to say he doesn't want to play.
Jack Fulham... again the thread was not about whether Clint is wrong or right (I am of the feeling that he and his agent are going about this wrong way).. it is about the snide comments regarding him going to a place like West Ham... there is no chance of this and people are only saying it because they feel betrayed... they all know there is no chance of this happening. Jilted lovers... Hot ass GF and you show her off to all your mates but the moment she moves on with someone else... she instantly becomes not nearly as hot out of spite...
We will see where he goes, you can't guarantee anything in football.
Mccs - for gawds sake, give it a rest with your snide comments about snide comments. Can I say (and you will no doubt say, "no you can't you snide basstard", you're getting so hot under the collar about this and it's not really worth it.
It's just not that important. The club's been around for years. There's a squad that may have to do or perhaps can do without Dempsey. It will survive. It may even thrive.
It's time to go berserk and stop arguing rings around our own a----holes. It's time to stop living vicariously through other people's heroes and/or other people's villains.
Please just stop going on and on and on..........
Nogood "I don't think I've ever been this forward on this board, but something has to give, isit" Boyo
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on August 23, 2012, 03:16:03 AM
Mccs - for gawds sake, give it a rest with your snide comments about snide comments. Can I say (and you will no doubt say, "no you can't you snide basstard", you're getting so hot under the collar about this and it's not really worth it.
It's just not that important. The club's been around for years. There's a squad that may have to do or perhaps can do without Dempsey. It will survive. It may even thrive.
It's time to go berserk and stop arguing rings around our own a----holes. It's time to stop living vicariously through other people's heroes and/or other people's villains.
Please just stop going on and on and on..........
Nogood "I don't think I've ever been this forward on this board, but something has to give, isit" Boyo
Nogood.. Frankly, I was brought back into the conversation by a punk wind up artist who called me a Dempsey fan boy which is just the type of jackassery I expected to ensue once the offal forum was closed...
Everyone is absolutely entitled to an opinion but saying things (like Clint was never that great and can piss off to Spam) just to get a rise out of others is just crap that has no place here...
Quote from: Ag on August 23, 2012, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: Terry Angus on August 22, 2012, 11:08:23 PM
Quote from: dtowndough on August 22, 2012, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Terry Angus on August 22, 2012, 11:08:23 PM
finally, footballers are paid more money than most of these guys could actually spend. if i was getting paid £50k a week to play football in front of 30,000 people singing my name, i wouldn't be thinking of changing jobs!!
You would be thinking of changing jobs if that 50K turned into 100K and if that 30,000 was 75,000. well, i know i would.
no, i honestly wouldn't mate, and that's the point! have we all become such vacuous, mammon-worshipping scumbags that even if we were multi-millionaires, we'd compromise decency, loyalty and the like for more filthy lucre?!?! i think and hope not, but maybe i'm wrong.
Just curious, do we only apply this standard to players who leave Fulham, or is it applicable to guys like Hangeland, Ruiz and Dembele when they come to play for us? They all left good clubs in their respective leagues that had a better shot at silverware, as well as Europa & Champs Lg football, than Fulham traditionally have. Yet none of our supporters seem to take any issue with that.
The problem is where we draw that line between ambition and greed. While we know where you apparantly would draw it (which coincidently caps out at a level that our club can afford), that line is going to differ for pretty much everyone. Most players will set that line at the max level their talent (in their opinion) will allow.
it stuns me how much good sense, quality analysis, and just plain erudition folks in South Texas have. Well said, Mr. Ag. But you'll never be famous unless you berate other posters or say the same thing over and over in thread after thread.
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on August 23, 2012, 03:16:03 AM
Mccs - for gawds sake, give it a rest with your snide comments about snide comments. Can I say (and you will no doubt say, "no you can't you snide basstard", you're getting so hot under the collar about this and it's not really worth it.
It's just not that important. The club's been around for years. There's a squad that may have to do or perhaps can do without Dempsey. It will survive. It may even thrive.
It's time to go berserk and stop arguing rings around our own a----holes. It's time to stop living vicariously through other people's heroes and/or other people's villains.
Please just stop going on and on and on..........
Nogood "I don't think I've ever been this forward on this board, but something has to give, isit" Boyo
:plus one:
Well said, Boyo.
Ok folks this one is going the same way as the last one we locked. Let's some of you agree to disagree with some others and move on. 082.gif