This will be interesting as it is the only time all season we have had a fully fit squad (Davies only player missing)
We need to attack Reading I think our attack will be too powerful for them, this will be good I bet noones line ups are the same because of the quality we have in our squad for me I would like Jol to go
4-2-3-1
Schwarzer
Riether Hughes Hangeland Riise
Baird Diarra
Duff Ruiz Kacaniklic
Berbatov
Subs - Stockdale , Senderos , Sidwell , Frei/Richardson , Dejagah , Rodallega , Petric
Wow that is some subs bench if we could keep all our players fit we would end up in the top 8 easy
Thoughts?
We're spoilt for choice and Jol said as much yesterday.
He also talked about playing Rodallega wide and bringing on Dejagah against Villa as essentially being hunches. He talked about working on dealing with Reading's strengths and weaknesses and in the absence of any real knowledge of those I guess that will determine the team selection.
I like the idea of Baird and Sidwell protecting the defence with Diarra as the main link to 3 strikers. Being overrun in midfield and playing too close to our defence isolates the attackers. I think we can be more attacking with 3 rather than 4 attackers by giving them better support and service.
so
Schwarzer
Reither Hughes Hangeland Riise
Baird Diarra Sidwell
Dejagah Berbatov Rodallega
I would start with:
(http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2012/10/557897_Fulham.jpg)
Yeah Rodallega is a good option him & Berbatov link up well
The keeper and back four are automatic, the midfield and strikers need some thought and a lot depends on how the manager sums up the oposition . I would like to see:-
Dejagah Baird Diarra Duff
Riuz
Berbatov.
That would be mine too but swap Ruiz for Rodders.
Quote from: filham on October 26, 2012, 03:18:14 PM
The keeper and back four are automatic, the midfield and strikers need some thought and a lot depends on how the manager sums up the oposition . I would like to see:-
Dejagah Baird Diarra Duff
Riuz
Berbatov.
Quote from: Boggers on October 26, 2012, 03:22:59 PM
That would be mine too but swap Ruiz for Rodders.
Quote from: filham on October 26, 2012, 03:18:14 PM
The keeper and back four are automatic, the midfield and strikers need some thought and a lot depends on how the manager sums up the oposition . I would like to see:-
Dejagah Baird Diarra Duff
Riuz
Berbatov.
I hesitated before selecting Ruiz, but feel that perhaps this is the game where he will really come good. How about starting with Ruiz and bringing Rodders on at half time as an impact sub.
Schwarzer
Riether
Hughes
Hangeland
Riise
Sidwell
Diarra
Ruiz
Duff
Petric (constant rotation from let to center with Ruiz)
Berba
I think Reading will play a high tempo game and close us down quickly on the ball, so I wouldn't start with Ruiz. I'd bring him on about 70 mins depending on how we're doing.
I wouldn't start Petric as I'm not fully convinced by him - he seems about a yard off the pace and everything he does is a bit laboured. I'd also give him 20-30 mins until he's fully fit.
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on October 26, 2012, 07:39:18 AM
4-2-3-1
Schwarzer
Riether Hughes Hangeland Riise
Baird Diarra
Duff Ruiz Kacaniklic
Berbatov
Perfect!
And play Dejagah for Duff and Petric for Ruiz in the second half (depending on the score).
Do you guys realize that we might end up in 7th position after this round as we will probably defeat Reading and Newcastle will probably defeat WBA? How cool would that be?
Quote from: MJG on October 26, 2012, 09:48:34 AM
I would start with:
(http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2012/10/557897_Fulham.jpg)
That would be my team too. I would like to find a place for Ruiz but as he is coming back from injury and this is an away game I would bring him on from the bench.
think jol has a bit of a love afair going on with richardson so i think he will pick him.(wrongly in my eyes) gutted frei isnt about for this one and i would start ashkan. dont care where just start him. lets use subs to shaw up a game instead of trying to salvage something.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on October 26, 2012, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: MJG on October 26, 2012, 09:48:34 AM
I would start with:
(http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2012/10/557897_Fulham.jpg)
That would be my team too. I would like to find a place for Ruiz but as he is coming back from injury and this is an away game I would bring him on from the bench.
Can't disagree with that, Rodallega and Berbatov up top seems to have some decent chemistry, Duff and Kacaniklic deserve their spots on the flanks, my only change I think Jol may make would be to possibly play the more natural midfielder in Sidwell as opposed to Baird, however I would hate to be Jol and having to leave out one of either Sidwell or Baird
COYW's :scarf: oztralian
Quote from: MJG on October 26, 2012, 09:48:34 AM
I would start with:
(http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2012/10/557897_Fulham.jpg)
Agree. No point risking Ruiz from the start besides, Rodallega and Berbatov could prove an effective partnership. We have plenty of attacking options for this one.
Drop Rodallega to the bench.Overrated anyway.
A lot of people wanting Rodallega upfront with Berbatov, they do link up very well, is Petric currently 4th choice striker in most people's eyes?
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on October 27, 2012, 02:02:14 AM
A lot of people wanting Rodallega upfront with Berbatov, they do link up very well, is Petric currently 4th choice striker in most people's eyes?
No.Petric is just second to Berba.Others should wait their turn.
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on October 26, 2012, 07:39:18 AM
This will be interesting as it is the only time all season we have had a fully fit squad (Davies only player missing)
We need to attack Reading I think our attack will be too powerful for them, this will be good I bet noones line ups are the same because of the quality we have in our squad for me I would like Jol to go
4-2-3-1
Schwarzer
Riether Hughes Hangeland Riise
Baird Diarra
Duff Ruiz Kacaniklic
Berbatov
Subs - Stockdale , Senderos , Sidwell , Frei/Richardson , Dejagah , Rodallega , Petric
Wow that is some subs bench if we could keep all our players fit we would end up in the top 8 easy
Thoughts?
I agree with this and think this will be our team and we win 3-1 (even though I predicted a closer game in the predictor game cause we are Fulham!)
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on October 27, 2012, 12:40:08 AM
Drop Rodallega to the bench.Overrated anyway.
take it you have given him a 5 already in the match ratings you do. Maybe its you who under rate him?
id swap petric and berbatov around, have petric play the deeper role, with berbatov up top. thing is now ruiz is fit, jol will probably play him and berbatov.
as for midfield, id play baird and diarra.
I've no doubt that Ruiz is Jol's preferred no. 10 in behind berbatov when he's fit. Although he's only shown glimpses of his class so far for us, you have to remember that Jol basically saw him win the league for Twente when he was in Holland as Ajax manager.
Berba and Rodders down the middle NOT wide!!! Like most others have said they link up well when close together
has to be a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 i hate 4-4-2, so boring
Quote from: L-Wizzy on October 27, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
has to be a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 i hate 4-4-2, so boring
really? i find 5 in the middle more boring if we are still getting over run. and if you get the two up top working well together it can be a joy to watch. think back to qpr at home. bobby and aj played as one that day and we reaped the rewards
442 at home, 451 or 4231 which ever way you look at it, away.
Rodallega and Berba
Dejegah, Duff, Diarra, Sidwell (Baird)
Back Four
Quote from: fulhamben on October 27, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: L-Wizzy on October 27, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
has to be a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 i hate 4-4-2, so boring
really? i find 5 in the middle more boring if we are still getting over run. and if you get the two up top working well together it can be a joy to watch. think back to qpr at home. bobby and aj played as one that day and we reaped the rewards
well for me when playin football there is no one to bridge the gap from midfield to the stikers in 4-4-2, in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 you can have an attacking midfielder (Ruiz) and this causes the defence more problems and there is a man to pass to inbetween the lines of defence and midfeild thus creating more passing because there is more options to pass to,
and i remember that game i also remember qpr played like a league 1 side that game, when else have we played 4-4-2 against good opponents and looked attractive, non to me come to mind, but thats just me, im not tryna diss anyone just tryna put my spin on it
Quote from: L-Wizzy on October 27, 2012, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 27, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: L-Wizzy on October 27, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
has to be a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 i hate 4-4-2, so boring
really? i find 5 in the middle more boring if we are still getting over run. and if you get the two up top working well together it can be a joy to watch. think back to qpr at home. bobby and aj played as one that day and we reaped the rewards
well for me when playin football there is no one to bridge the gap from midfield to the stikers in 4-4-2, in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 you can have an attacking midfielder (Ruiz) and this causes the defence more problems and there is a man to pass to inbetween the lines of defence and midfeild thus creating more passing because there is more options to pass to,
and i remember that game i also remember qpr played like a league 1 side that game, when else have we played 4-4-2 against good opponents and looked attractive, non to me come to mind, but thats just me, im not tryna diss anyone just tryna put my spin on it
no thats fair enough and to me it all depends on who is available for selction. today i would probably opt for 5 with ruiz behind the berb. but if that 5 is the same 5 that started against saints away then its a big no thanks from me. our midfield was shocking that day as ruiz has to come to deep as baird and sidwell dont like to push on.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 27, 2012, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: L-Wizzy on October 27, 2012, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 27, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: L-Wizzy on October 27, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
has to be a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 i hate 4-4-2, so boring
really? i find 5 in the middle more boring if we are still getting over run. and if you get the two up top working well together it can be a joy to watch. think back to qpr at home. bobby and aj played as one that day and we reaped the rewards
well for me when playin football there is no one to bridge the gap from midfield to the stikers in 4-4-2, in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 you can have an attacking midfielder (Ruiz) and this causes the defence more problems and there is a man to pass to inbetween the lines of defence and midfeild thus creating more passing because there is more options to pass to,
and i remember that game i also remember qpr played like a league 1 side that game, when else have we played 4-4-2 against good opponents and looked attractive, non to me come to mind, but thats just me, im not tryna diss anyone just tryna put my spin on it
no thats fair enough and to me it all depends on who is available for selction. today i would probably opt for 5 with ruiz behind the berb. but if that 5 is the same 5 that started against saints away then its a big no thanks from me. our midfield was shocking that day as ruiz has to come to deep as baird and sidwell dont like to push on.
i agree with you, i would have
Berba
Duff Ruiz Dejagah
Diarra Baird
Riise H and H Rieth
Swatz
that team works for me.
Quote from: L-Wizzy on October 27, 2012, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 27, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: L-Wizzy on October 27, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
has to be a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 i hate 4-4-2, so boring
really? i find 5 in the middle more boring if we are still getting over run. and if you get the two up top working well together it can be a joy to watch. think back to qpr at home. bobby and aj played as one that day and we reaped the rewards
well for me when playin football there is no one to bridge the gap from midfield to the stikers in 4-4-2, in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 you can have an attacking midfielder (Ruiz) and this causes the defence more problems and there is a man to pass to inbetween the lines of defence and midfeild thus creating more passing because there is more options to pass to,
and i remember that game i also remember qpr played like a league 1 side that game, when else have we played 4-4-2 against good opponents and looked attractive, non to me come to mind, but thats just me, im not tryna diss anyone just tryna put my spin on it
Berba likes to drop and get the ball into feet before turning and looking up so although 4.4.2 he drops almost making it 4.2.1.3 with the 2 wide players attacking (kaca and Duff)
At this time against a Reading who will give us no time on the ball like Southampton did I would take Berba and Rodders as Berba when he drops never seems to fail to spot a pass or create 5 yards of space whereas Ruiz seems to require the 5 yards before he gets the ball. That being said he has showed more confidence when Diarra and/or Karagounis has been playing.
duff doesnt have to pace to go outside anymore.
Quote from: Zu-Meister on October 27, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
duff doesnt have to pace to go outside anymore.
yes should probably be kaca then. duff on the bench
In my 4.2.1.3/4.4.2 I would start duff and kaca but Dejagah also in the mix.
I can't start duff on the bench when he has been the player of the season so far IMO
Quote from: craig10 on October 27, 2012, 12:34:01 PM
In my 4.2.1.3/4.4.2 I would start duff and kaca but Dejagah also in the mix.
I can't start duff on the bench when he has been the player of the season so far IMO
player of the season so far in the games we have played well in. he has equally gone missing as all the others have in the games that dont go our way. ashkan is younger faster and will be the better player in my opinion. much more of a threat
Quote from: fulhamben on October 27, 2012, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: craig10 on October 27, 2012, 12:34:01 PM
In my 4.2.1.3/4.4.2 I would start duff and kaca but Dejagah also in the mix.
I can't start duff on the bench when he has been the player of the season so far IMO
player of the season so far in the games we have played well in. he has equally gone missing as all the others have in the games that dont go our way. ashkan is younger faster and will be the better player in my opinion. much more of a threat
Like I said between them 3 for the 2 wide roles I would have. I would be happy with Dejagah
However Duffers has still been our best player despite the entire team being extremely poor in 2
My original comment/point was more toward the formation and 2 strikers (Berba & Rodders) than Damien Duff :-)