It looks as though Frei may be brought back by Jol in time for the Stoke game. That's good, and I stand by what I said at the time:
"Frei played over 20 1st team matches last season for Fulham. He was hailed as a huge, emerging talent. I was looking forward this season to seeing him being 'rotated' with Kaca on the left wing. In comes Richardson to the squad, apparently brought in by Jol as cover to Riise (good idea!) but actually being used as replacement and cover to Kaca. Following a bad injury, Frei was announced as fully fit for our last home game – and wasn't even on the subs bench! Then, apparently just with three days' notice, he was told he was off on loan to Cardiff until 2nd December (potentially 8 matches). I would argue that he should be rotated with Kaca on the left, to bring him back to full match play with close oversight from our own medical and training support staff."
During Fei's loan spell, Cardiff have played 5 championship games, Frei has played for less than 90 minutes! I hope his confidence hasn't been damaged from lack of playing time and having been taken off in Cardiff's last defeat, and I hope Jol gives him playing time against Stoke. I also remain convinced we are at risk of losing him to another club.
The following report from eatsleepsport today:
Galatasaray remain keen on Kerim Frei but Fulham look set to recall him from his loan spell at Cardiff at the earliest opportunity (in time for the match against Stoke).
The Turkish giants are continuing to monitor Frei with their coach Fatih Terim naming the 19-year-old Austrian-born winger as a player of interest to the Istanbul club.
http://www.eatsleepsport.com/fulham/frei-set-for-recall-1503773.html (http://www.eatsleepsport.com/fulham/frei-set-for-recall-1503773.html)
Galatasaray remain keen on Kerim Frei but Fulham look set to recall him from his loan spell at Cardiff at the earliest opportunity.
The Turkish giants are continuing to monitor Frei with their coach Fatih Terim naming the 19-year-old Austrian-born winger as a player of interest to the Istanbul club.
Frei came on as a substitute for Turkey against Denmark in midweek and looks set to commit his international future to his father's country of birth, having played for Switzerland at Under-21 level.
Galatasaray could have been sensing a bargain when Frei was farmed out to Cardiff but injuries to Bryan Ruiz and Alex Kacaniklic could catapult him straight back into the Fulham side when his first month at the Cardiff City Stadium is up.
Frei joined Cardiff on October 26 and boss Martin Jol has revealed he can recall him after 28 days, which means the teenager could be back in the Cottagers squad for the Stoke City game on Saturday.
thank god. not only do i love watching him but he is pivotal to my fifa 13 team too :)
It has been said many times on this board that we the general public do not see what goes on during training, it may be that Frei just does not put in the effort to warrant a 1st team slot, Ballotelli (spelling) was dropped last week for that very reason, the manager whoever that may be has to pick a team based on what he feels is the best option, maybe he is just not up to scratch at this moment in time.
Quote from: alfie on November 20, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
It has been said many times on this board that we the general public do not see what goes on during training, it may be that Frei just does not put in the effort to warrant a 1st team slot, Ballotelli (spelling) was dropped last week for that very reason, the manager whoever that may be has to pick a team based on what he feels is the best option, maybe he is just not up to scratch at this moment in time.
Agreed 100%
But you must also admit when we saw Frei last year he made our mouths water when he was going forward !
Not sure though whether he should be a starter against Stoke as we maybe need someone more defensively mature ( Duff ? If he can lay on the left )
Would like to see Frei as a sub though
Quote from: Riverside on November 20, 2012, 11:58:39 AM
Quote from: alfie on November 20, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
It has been said many times on this board that we the general public do not see what goes on during training, it may be that Frei just does not put in the effort to warrant a 1st team slot, Ballotelli (spelling) was dropped last week for that very reason, the manager whoever that may be has to pick a team based on what he feels is the best option, maybe he is just not up to scratch at this moment in time.
Agreed 100%
But you must also admit when we saw Frei last year he made our mouths water when he was going forward !
Not sure though whether he should be a starter against Stoke as we maybe need someone more defensively mature ( Duff ? If he can lay on the left )
Would like to see Frei as a sub though
really dont see the point of defensively minded playeers at the mo. we have tried it with kieran down the left and gone with baird and diarra and we still leak goals. genuinely believe our only hope is to score more than the oppo. and the pace of ashkan and frei would help us to do that. lets let their midfielders worry more about defending than attacking for once
Pretty sure with Frei on the pitch against Stoke we would get a penalty! They'd just jump in legs everywhere, he'll be too quick.
Frei has tremendous talent and I am pleased he is back
Not sure he delivers an end product...
I prefer the other options available to Jol...
hugo?
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on November 20, 2012, 01:16:52 PM
Not sure he delivers an end product...
I prefer the other options available to Jol...
I for one would love to see him start at Stoke.
The main reason is that he would be extremely motivated, as he was sent out on loan and not played much while away. He would definitely want to make an impact, and I bet he would be more motivated to prove that he belongs at Fulham fighting for 1st team.
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on November 20, 2012, 01:16:52 PM
Not sure he delivers an end product...
Berbatov/Petric? Should be enough end product.
Huge fan of Frei let's hope Jol gives him a chance like last season
I think Frei will develop into a good premiership player, but perhaps it's worth remembering that, whilst we were all excited by his first appearances, there were many on here who started to wonder whether he was a bit of a one trick pony at the moment. His single aim appeared to be to cut inside with the ball, and defenders seemed to have got him worked out. As with Kaka there were also question marks over whether he gave enough support defensively.
Quote from: alfie on November 20, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
It has been said many times on this board that we the general public do not see what goes on during training, it may be that Frei just does not put in the effort to warrant a 1st team slot, Ballotelli (spelling) was dropped last week for that very reason, the manager whoever that may be has to pick a team based on what he feels is the best option, maybe he is just not up to scratch at this moment in time.
Frei was coming back from an injury, Kacaniklic was playing well and I think Jol was intending to use Richardson as a more defensive minded left midfield especially for away games so I suspect a short loan to Cardiff seemed a good way to get Frei match fit.
Why invent some possible training ground problem to explain the loan?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on November 21, 2012, 02:05:21 AM
Quote from: alfie on November 20, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
It has been said many times on this board that we the general public do not see what goes on during training, it may be that Frei just does not put in the effort to warrant a 1st team slot, Ballotelli (spelling) was dropped last week for that very reason, the manager whoever that may be has to pick a team based on what he feels is the best option, maybe he is just not up to scratch at this moment in time.
Frei was coming back from an injury, Kacaniklic was playing well and I think Jol was intending to use Richardson as a more defensive minded left midfield especially for away games so I suspect a short loan to Cardiff seemed a good way to get Frei match fit.
Why invent some possible training ground problem to explain the loan?
Why answer in such a nasty way, i was just offering up a possible reason like you have just done about the loan, i did not invent it, having worked at FFC for about 8 years i do have some knowledge of what goes on.
I am sorry you felt you had to make a comment like that.
Quote from: alfie on November 21, 2012, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on November 21, 2012, 02:05:21 AM
Quote from: alfie on November 20, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
It has been said many times on this board that we the general public do not see what goes on during training, it may be that Frei just does not put in the effort to warrant a 1st team slot, Ballotelli (spelling) was dropped last week for that very reason, the manager whoever that may be has to pick a team based on what he feels is the best option, maybe he is just not up to scratch at this moment in time.
Frei was coming back from an injury, Kacaniklic was playing well and I think Jol was intending to use Richardson as a more defensive minded left midfield especially for away games so I suspect a short loan to Cardiff seemed a good way to get Frei match fit.
Why invent some possible training ground problem to explain the loan?
Why answer in such a nasty way, i was just offering up a possible reason like you have just done about the loan, i did not invent it, having worked at FFC for about 8 years i do have some knowledge of what goes on.
I am sorry you felt you had to make a comment like that.
sorry but you have put it may be a reason, and that its a possible reason. neither of those scream im in the know and thats what happenend so it does look like you have made it up. if thats the reason why not just say thats what happened
Quote from: alfie on November 21, 2012, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on November 21, 2012, 02:05:21 AM
Quote from: alfie on November 20, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
It has been said many times on this board that we the general public do not see what goes on during training, it may be that Frei just does not put in the effort to warrant a 1st team slot, Ballotelli (spelling) was dropped last week for that very reason, the manager whoever that may be has to pick a team based on what he feels is the best option, maybe he is just not up to scratch at this moment in time.
Frei was coming back from an injury, Kacaniklic was playing well and I think Jol was intending to use Richardson as a more defensive minded left midfield especially for away games so I suspect a short loan to Cardiff seemed a good way to get Frei match fit.
Why invent some possible training ground problem to explain the loan?
Why answer in such a nasty way, i was just offering up a possible reason like you have just done about the loan, i did not invent it, having worked at FFC for about 8 years i do have some knowledge of what goes on.
I am sorry you felt you had to make a comment like that.
I am sorry that you feel it was nasty. It was not meant that way. If you read it again it I don't think that you can really find it that it is.
My possible reason did not put the player in a bad light and uses what is known to the general public.
You originally said "it may be . . ." which makes it sound like speculation. Are you now saying with "you did not invent it" that it is based on information that you have heard from those within the club?
The bottom line is that Frei and Kaca are the best talent we have had in years. Hopefully they will both fulfill their enormous potential and go on to be super stars for us
Pretty sure I heard something that some of younger players were staying behind to do extra training and that was Briggs and Frei who live together as well. The Cardiff thing I guess was to get him match fit but kind of backfired as he isn't playing. The present situation does provide Frei an opportunity to get back into the first team though.
Quote from: fulhamben on November 21, 2012, 09:15:52 AM
Quote from: alfie on November 21, 2012, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on November 21, 2012, 02:05:21 AM
Quote from: alfie on November 20, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
It has been said many times on this board that we the general public do not see what goes on during training, it may be that Frei just does not put in the effort to warrant a 1st team slot, Ballotelli (spelling) was dropped last week for that very reason, the manager whoever that may be has to pick a team based on what he feels is the best option, maybe he is just not up to scratch at this moment in time.
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Frei was coming back from an injury, Kacaniklic was playing well and I think Jol was intending to use Richardson as a more defensive minded left midfield especially for away games so I suspect a short loan to Cardiff seemed a good way to get Frei match fit.
Why invent some possible training ground problem to explain the loan?
Why answer in such a nasty way, i was just offering up a possible reason like you have just done about the loan, i did not invent it, having worked at FFC for about 8 years i do have some knowledge of what goes on.
I am sorry you felt you had to make a comment like that.
sorry but you have put it may be a reason, and that its a possible reason. neither of those scream im in the know and thats what happenend so it does look like you have made it up. if thats the reason why not just say thats what happened
I did not say i was in the know i said i have an understanding that sometimes these things happen
Of course i made it all up it's all lies and fabrication, i assume that is what you want to hear. last comment from me on the subject.
Back to the topic. Hope he does return, it would make logical sense considering the LW problem we now have. My only worry is that has he learnt to actually take people on and go for the byline? Too many times last season, when he played, did he cut inside and run into traffic (Odense a prime example) when he could have just gone round the outside of the fullback and knocked a ball into the box. IMO that would really put him onto another level in terms of ability.
Quote from: TWFL on November 21, 2012, 03:51:07 PM
Back to the topic. Hope he does return, it would make logical sense considering the LW problem we now have. My only worry is that has he learnt to actually take people on and go for the byline? Too many times last season, when he played, did he cut inside and run into traffic (Odense a prime example) when he could have just gone round the outside of the fullback and knocked a ball into the box. IMO that would really put him onto another level in terms of ability.
dempsey made a career of cutting in
Quote from: fulhamben on November 21, 2012, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: TWFL on November 21, 2012, 03:51:07 PM
Back to the topic. Hope he does return, it would make logical sense considering the LW problem we now have. My only worry is that has he learnt to actually take people on and go for the byline? Too many times last season, when he played, did he cut inside and run into traffic (Odense a prime example) when he could have just gone round the outside of the fullback and knocked a ball into the box. IMO that would really put him onto another level in terms of ability.
dempsey made a career of cutting in
Or a season. And anyway he is a different player to Frei, well at from what I've seen of Kerim at least. Frei is quick and tricky and its great he can cut in but he can't just do that. If he could take on the full back he'd be much more dangerous.
Quote from: TWFL on November 21, 2012, 05:14:33 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on November 21, 2012, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: TWFL on November 21, 2012, 03:51:07 PM
Back to the topic. Hope he does return, it would make logical sense considering the LW problem we now have. My only worry is that has he learnt to actually take people on and go for the byline? Too many times last season, when he played, did he cut inside and run into traffic (Odense a prime example) when he could have just gone round the outside of the fullback and knocked a ball into the box. IMO that would really put him onto another level in terms of ability.
dempsey made a career of cutting in
Or a season. And anyway he is a different player to Frei, well at from what I've seen of Kerim at least. Frei is quick and tricky and its great he can cut in but he can't just do that. If he could take on the full back he'd be much more dangerous.
not really, he is right footed. we have all seen how bad duffs right can be at crossing, id imagine freis left would be worse than duffs right
Quote from: fulhamben on November 21, 2012, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: TWFL on November 21, 2012, 05:14:33 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on November 21, 2012, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: TWFL on November 21, 2012, 03:51:07 PM
Back to the topic. Hope he does return, it would make logical sense considering the LW problem we now have. My only worry is that has he learnt to actually take people on and go for the byline? Too many times last season, when he played, did he cut inside and run into traffic (Odense a prime example) when he could have just gone round the outside of the fullback and knocked a ball into the box. IMO that would really put him onto another level in terms of ability.
dempsey made a career of cutting in
Or a season. And anyway he is a different player to Frei, well at from what I've seen of Kerim at least. Frei is quick and tricky and its great he can cut in but he can't just do that. If he could take on the full back he'd be much more dangerous.
not really, he is right footed. we have all seen how bad duffs right can be at crossing, id imagine freis left would be worse than duffs right
It could be but you don't know until you've seen it. Also Duff's on his weaker side when playing on the right but he still heads for the byline and it adds another dimension to his attacking threat. Just think it would be better if Kerim tried it more.
As an impact sub he is brilliant and terrorised Chelsea and Arsenal last season and is now a year better. Bring him on in the 60th minute against Stoke and he will drive them mad and release space for our front men.
Is there any new on recalling?
Don't know why we let him go in the first place. Him on one wing, Kaca on the left, balls in to Berba and Petric - job done.
Still, I think he'll leave at the end of the season..
Quote from: Senior Supporter on November 20, 2012, 08:05:50 PM
I think Frei will develop into a good premiership player, but perhaps it's worth remembering that, whilst we were all excited by his first appearances, there were many on here who started to wonder whether he was a bit of a one trick pony at the moment. His single aim appeared to be to cut inside with the ball, and defenders seemed to have got him worked out. As with Kaka there were also question marks over whether he gave enough support defensively.
Wasn't C Ronaldo deemed to be a bit of a one trick pony at first? ;P
He's back but can't play v Stoke