For Southampton, for £15m apparently
Official.
Well then who will the papers link to us now :dead horse: 093.gif :hook: 086.gif 090.gif
Pretty gutted that Southampton can get a player like that and we can't.
£15m. Anyone who's disappointed we didn't get him for that is nuts.
Quote from: SKSW6 on August 18, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
£15m. Anyone who's disappointed we didn't get him for that is nuts.
Would of been a great sign of intent from Khan.
There's only one reason why a player like Osvaldo would join Southampton...$$$.
Until the window closes, we dont know what Mr. Khan's intent is.
Quote from: Putney on August 18, 2013, 07:40:22 PM
There's only one reason why a player like Osvaldo would join Southampton...$$$.
Roma were forcing him out supposedly and he didn't want to go to Southampton, he was holding out for Spurs. They must have ended their interest and that was his last option I guess.
Quote from: SKSW6 on August 18, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
£15m. Anyone who's disappointed we didn't get him for that is nuts.
I'm fine we didn't get him. But £15mm for a proven goalscorer, who is still just 27 - I'm disappointed!!
Plus, a loan of Bent is 100% worse than a buy of Osvaldo. Just sayin..
But, if we buy Chantome; purchase Chantome+loan Bent > buy Osvlado alone
CM is priority.
Quote from: Craven Mad on August 18, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on August 18, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
£15m. Anyone who's disappointed we didn't get him for that is nuts.
I'm fine we didn't get him. But £15mm for a proven goalscorer, who is still just 27 - I'm disappointed!!
Plus, a loan of Bent is 100% worse than a buy of Osvaldo. Just sayin..
But, if we buy Chantome; purchase Chantome+loan Bent > buy Osvlado alone
CM is priority.
Agree with this
Quote from: andersons11 on August 18, 2013, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on August 18, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on August 18, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
£15m. Anyone who's disappointed we didn't get him for that is nuts.
I'm fine we didn't get him. But £15mm for a proven goalscorer, who is still just 27 - I'm disappointed!!
Plus, a loan of Bent is 100% worse than a buy of Osvaldo. Just sayin..
But, if we buy Chantome; purchase Chantome+loan Bent > buy Osvlado alone
CM is priority.
Agree with this
Big IF though.
We need to spend money NOW
How much have they spent so far this window? I make it about £37m. It's the Portsmouth model.
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on August 18, 2013, 07:44:18 PM
Quote from: andersons11 on August 18, 2013, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on August 18, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on August 18, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
£15m. Anyone who's disappointed we didn't get him for that is nuts.
I'm fine we didn't get him. But £15mm for a proven goalscorer, who is still just 27 - I'm disappointed!!
Plus, a loan of Bent is 100% worse than a buy of Osvaldo. Just sayin..
But, if we buy Chantome; purchase Chantome+loan Bent > buy Osvlado alone
CM is priority.
Agree with this
Big IF though.
I know. But Jol does tend to pluck a marquee signing out of the bag just before the end of the window... *he prays*
Quote from: Big Martin Jol on August 18, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
How much have they spent so far this window? I make it about £37m. It's the Portsmouth model.
With the players they've bought you have to say they're basically guaranteed to stay in the prem though. In no danger from becoming the next portsmouth with the extra 20mil from tv money again next year.
Why does everyone want Osvaldo? he is a quality player but we already have that in Berbatov we needed pace upfront, Bent gives us that
15MILL for a bloke that can seem to fall out with himself sounds a big gamble. Especially when he didn't want to come to England
Can we get Lambert then ?
After the week he has had he cannot be happy with Osvaldo .
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I think the frustration on this board is more about Fulham not spending and only getting loans in!
Quote from: Jeroen on August 18, 2013, 08:13:04 PM
I think the frustration on this board is more about Fulham not spending and only getting loans in!
Just be glad you don't support arsenal!
Looks to me like he was holding out to see if we'd match Southamptons offer, then decided to go there after we ended the interest and signed Bent. Southampton have spent a hell of a lot on transfers over the past 12 months.
I'm still happy with Bent though. Surely the entire budget must now go on a CM of seriously high caliber. The extra 40m of additional TV revenue hasn't been spent at all. We've done some great business this window, but we need something special in the middle of the park
Loans are not that bad least we know when there leaving and can plan for it poorly. Buy them they have a good season and we would sell for the profit with no plan in place
Think this years budget being spent on the stadium development
Their new manager can't even speak a word of English yet, let alone advise, coach or manage a player like Osvaldo. Although their intent to spend big seems impressive, I'm not 100% sure this is going to be very successful.
Quote from: Ordar on August 18, 2013, 08:18:12 PM
Looks to me like he was holding out to see if we'd match Southamptons offer, then decided to go there after we ended the interest and signed Bent. Southampton have spent a hell of a lot on transfers over the past 12 months.
I'm still happy with Bent though. Surely the entire budget must now go on a CM of seriously high caliber. The extra 40m of additional TV revenue hasn't been spent at all. We've done some great business this window, but we need something special in the middle of the park
Just a thought..... With the financial fair play coming in and the incapability of singing big players due to our salary caps, do you think we used most of the TV money to increase our operating budget (and hence increase the salary budget)
I think with the fair play coming in this is crucial as there is a limited increase YoY - so any big plans go slower....
Not sure if this works and is correct, but clutching at straws here why we don't BUY anyone (rather than loan)
Quote from: Baider on August 18, 2013, 07:45:49 PM
We need to spend money NOW
I hope this was sarcastic.
Quote from: Alfayedslovechild on August 18, 2013, 08:22:31 PM
Their new manager can't even speak a word of English yet, let alone advise, coach or manage a player like Osvaldo. Although their intent to spend big seems impressive, I'm not 100% sure this is going to be very successful.
Its a good thing they are both from argentina then
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on August 18, 2013, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: Big Martin Jol on August 18, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
How much have they spent so far this window? I make it about £37m. It's the Portsmouth model.
With the players they've bought you have to say they're basically guaranteed to stay in the prem though. In no danger from becoming the next portsmouth with the extra 20mil from tv money again next year.
Tell QPR that!
i don't rate him as highly as most on here it would seem...
Happy with Bent plus a decent CM if we can get one.
Happy with Bent but pretty annoyed they signed him and we didn't. Very in fact. But it's a lot of money.
I'd rather Bent over Osvaldo personally. Huge risk at £15m, personality side of Osvaldo on top of the risk of him not settling.
A rumoured 90k per week
Quote from: Big Martin Jol on August 18, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
How much have they spent so far this window? I make it about £37m. It's the Portsmouth model.
Southampton actually have the third wealthiest owners in the league. Only Chelski and Man City are above them. Interesting sidenote is we have the fourth richest tied with Spurs.
This makes it even more depressing:
Southampton paying £12.9M, not £15M, for Osvaldo. Could rise by £1.7M based on appearances. (Roma announced in €s: fee15.1M +2M poss extra)
Disappointed. Hope he flops.
Southampton are showing a real short-term approach right now, you have to fear for them in 2-3 years time.
They had three 18 year olds playing for them yesterday. That is very impressive.
Quote from: Basil on August 18, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
They had three 18 year olds playing for them yesterday. That is very impressive.
Luke Shaw looks like an excellent LB. Future England star.
Look on ths bright side no one we have signed for over 10mil has set our world alight
Why pay 15m when we can buy him for 5m or get him on loan next season? It's clear to see that Kahn is a businessman like MAF, and we aren't going to be spending 10-20m on players. I'm surprised Southampton spent so much on him. You could have gotten Bent and a 9m young striker for he same price.
It seems that Osvaldo has played for the Saints manager Pochettino before at Espanyol, that explains one of the reasons going to Saints.
Probably one of the reasons why Berbatov, Taarabt and Bent have joined us, the link with the manager.
Shame that we cannOt afford the top players and have to be clever on loan players and players on the way down and old,which is very short term. But you cut your cloth etc.
I was surprised that Match of the Day had to dub their manager yesterday when he was interviewed, they even turned the camera off him as it was so out of sync. At least Osvaldo will be able to understand him even if alot of other players can't. Mind you i suppose with so many players and managers in the Prem coming from different countries there must be a bit of a language barrier anyhow.
15m quid for an Italian striker who hasn't played a match in the Prem? I think it's good business for the club to let him go to Southampton.
Quote from: Bryanthebroom on August 18, 2013, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: Big Martin Jol on August 18, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
How much have they spent so far this window? I make it about £37m. It's the Portsmouth model.
With the players they've bought you have to say they're basically guaranteed to stay in the prem though. In no danger from becoming the next portsmouth with the extra 20mil from tv money again next year.
The Ha's thought that as well.
Quote from: Alfayedslovechild on August 18, 2013, 08:22:31 PM
Their new manager can't even speak a word of English yet, let alone advise, coach or manage a player like Osvaldo. Although their intent to spend big seems impressive, I'm not 100% sure this is going to be very successful.
They both speak Spanish,Osvaldo is Argentinian by birth and has already played under this manager, who seems to have done well at present at getting the team to play well.
Quote from: Basil on August 18, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
They had three 18 year olds playing for them yesterday. That is very impressive.
:plus one: there are some real uninformed posts on here at times
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on August 18, 2013, 07:36:15 PM
Pretty gutted that Southampton can get a player like that and we can't.
It also goes to show how some clubs just never learn. They've already had one brush with oblivion due to finances, how long before the next one comes along?
Quote from: Alfayedslovechild on August 18, 2013, 08:22:31 PM
Their new manager can't even speak a word of English yet, let alone advise, coach or manage a player like Osvaldo. Although their intent to spend big seems impressive, I'm not 100% sure this is going to be very successful.
LOL
Bent deal is far better business.
Proven Premier League striker for minimal outlay. There are no prizes for spending lots of cash.
The fee is something we couldn't match in 15 million years. More to the point how much better will Osvaldo be for Saints than say Bent for us. We just don't know. They have plenty of good forwards now and will no doubt do very well given the chances. It is a gamble but no greater than spending little and hoping not to go down.
We will have to wait which is the best option.
They've got a very good spine now. Lovren, Wanyama and Osvaldo. Surprise package I reckon for this season.
Yeah Southampton have invested well in key areas. Ramirez and Osvaldo were massively overpriced though. I guess thats the sacrifice you need to make to make better players gamble on smaller teams. They must have spent more than 60m in 2 years. Thats alot
As has been said, Bent is a much safer option, and is proven as a premier league goalscorer. Osvaldo may well come over and do well, but is he going to perform 3 times better than Bent? I'm not so sure. He's only 2 years younger and unproven in England. I think I prefer the safe bet.
people would seriously rather pay £15 million for a player whos unproven in the Premiership, could easily flop.
Who for the same price you could buy:
7.5 Michu's
3 Dimitar Berbatovs
2 Benteke's
I wont continue but 15 mil is a crazy price and looks like one of those big floppy moves
I personally would much rather the loan with the option for Bent (the proven premier league goalscorer) for 5mil than splashing 15mil on a complete risk
I saw someone make a good point about Soton on twitter. Yeah, they've spent huge amount of money but there unlikely to break into top 6 or 7. Its a lot of money to spend to try and get a top 10 finish.
From the Guardian transfer update:
QuoteOK, the next few posts will be about Pablo Osvaldo then. What a gamble that is by Southampton. A brilliant player, no doubt, but quite a controversial one as well. He has punched a team-mate, he loves Argentinian rock n' roll and he hardly endeared himself to Roma fans by driving around in this Napoli-coloured Mini with a picture of Maradona on it.
QuoteOsvaldo has never been at a club more than two years: Huracán (2004-06), Atalanta (2006), Lecce (2007-09), Bologna (2009-10), Espanyol (2010-11, where he played for Mauricio Pochettino) and Roma (2011-13). It was at Roma he punched his team-mate Erik Lamela (who could still join Spurs this summer) after the latter reportedly said to Osvaldo: "You are not Maradona".
QuoteLast Osvaldo post then before moving on to other stories. Here are the tweets in which his girlfriend Jimena Baron told Roma fans they were "pathetic" before posting a picture with a middle finger raised, telling the Roma fans to F*** Off. You could say that it was always going to be difficult for Osvaldo to stay at the club from that moment on even if the Roma fans had written "Osvaldo, you piece of s**t" outside the couple's home. There's a lesson for Saints fans somewhere in there... Either way, he is a brilliant player and it will be interesting to see how he does this season.
Quote from: Irelands_number1 on August 19, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
people would seriously rather pay £15 million for a player whos unproven in the Premiership, could easily flop.
Who for the same price you could buy:
7.5 Michu's
3 Dimitar Berbatovs
2 Benteke's
I wont continue but 15 mil is a crazy price and looks like one of those big floppy moves
I personally would much rather the loan with the option for Bent (the proven premier league goalscorer) for 5mil than splashing 15mil on a complete risk
Michu was so cheap when Swansea bought him precisely
because he was unproven in the Premier League and, at 26, only had one good season at the top level in Spain to his name. He'd cost a lot more than 2 million pounds now that he scored so many goals in his first season in England. So that's not really a great comparison. Nor is Benteke for that matter because his transfer fee was from before he was proven in England. The Berbatov price is only really comparable since he's the one who was a proven player when bought for the price that you're referencing above, but he was 31 when we bought him for that price and Osvaldo is 27. What Southampton paid so much for is a player who already has multiple years of success at the top level in Spain and Italy
and also has a few years of his prime still in front of him. He'd maybe have cost even more if he didn't have the character issues, I think; look at what Villa paid for Bent when he was the same age as Osvaldo is now.
I'm not expecting £10m on a single player from Fulham let alone £15m! The reason Southampton can splash the cash and we can't, I feel, is stadiums. We're rejuvenating and expanding the Hammersmith end whereas Southampton have been at St Mary's for years now and do not have to pay however much the expansion of the Hammy End is costing.
Though with the Southampton owners being worth £3bn (over £1bn more than Khan) and the 3rd richest club in the league, once they get into Europe, I wonder if that's when the true spending starts? Fantastic academy as well, if they weren't close to the death of Southampton, they'd probably still have or only just sold Walcott, Bale and Oxlade-Chamberlain...
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on August 18, 2013, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: Basil on August 18, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
They had three 18 year olds playing for them yesterday. That is very impressive.
Luke Shaw looks like an excellent LB. Future England star.
Future? I'd take him to the World Cup.
Quote from: Alfayedslovechild on August 18, 2013, 08:22:31 PM
Their new manager can't even speak a word of English yet, let alone advise, coach or manage a player like Osvaldo. Although their intent to spend big seems impressive, I'm not 100% sure this is going to be very successful.
He can speak English but has confirmed that he isn't fluent enough to give a good quality press conference/post match interview, which I find fair enough and actually pretty intelligent.
Also, he managed Pablo Osvaldo at Espanyol and was the coach that kickstarted Osvaldo's career, pretty good I think.
I think this would have been terrible terrible business for us.... there are much better options than osvaldo for that price.... We dont need a striker as much anyway now we have got bent... We need a CM...