I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
+1 for please not O'Neill
Results aren't good enough. Team isn't playing well enough. I do believe that we have the quality, but there needs to be a change in coaching - either with a new manager, or assistant manager.. Perhaps even both.
Given time, Jol may be able to turn things around, but confidence is low and something has to change.
Quote from: Craven Mad on September 28, 2013, 04:56:23 PM
+1 for please not O'Neill
Results aren't good enough. Team isn't playing well enough. I do believe that we have the quality, but there needs to be a change in coaching - either with a new manager, or assistant manager.. Perhaps even both.
Given time, Jol may be able to turn things around, but confidence is low and something has to change.
Of course we have the quality, we have a squad good enough to finish in the top half. But the tactics are consistently pants and the performances of players too. Only Kasami impresses me week in week out and Stockdale usually does quite well.
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
Di Matteo Please No.
Di Matteo nearly got WBA relegated. He only did well at Chelsea 'cos the senior players sidelined by AVB managed themselves.
We need to be very careful with who we chose to replace Jol with.
Agreed that Kasami and Stockers have exceeded themselves.
Jol has clearly just not found the right starting 11, nor the right formation, nor the right tactics.. In fairness, it's not as easy as it used to be (under hodgson); many of our players like a more "free" role, like berba, kasami, ruiz, taarabt etc..
Nonetheless, as much as anything, I think that there needs to be change. I'd be just as happy with a new assistant as I would a new manager, but the team is on the road to relegation and has to wake up.
Deeply disappointed by the start of the season. It's not about unrealistic expectations, it's about watching a great squad lose week-after-week..
Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
Di Matteo Please No.
Di Matteo nearly got WBA relegated. He only did well at Chelsea 'cos the senior players sidelined by AVB managed themselves.
We need to be very careful with who we chose to replace Jol with.
West Brom had a rubbish team, we have much better players. Who else is available now and better than him?
West Brom had a rubbish team, we have much better players. Who else is available now and better than him?
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Trappatoni................quite capable of giving them an earful too......
Who ever avaliable we need to move quickly before they end up st Sunderland. Just sack him see who applies we can do without a manager for the time being it can't get any worse can it
No thanks, I'll be really unhappy if we appoint him. There must be better options than that.
Quote from: Nero on September 28, 2013, 05:33:07 PM
Who ever avaliable we need to move quickly before they end up st Sunderland. Just sack him see who applies we can do without a manager for the time being it can't get any worse can it
Definitely agree with this.
Quote from: Craven Mad on September 28, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
Agreed that Kasami and Stockers have exceeded themselves.
Jol has clearly just not found the right starting 11, nor the right formation, nor the right tactics.. In fairness, it's not as easy as it used to be (under hodgson); many of our players like a more "free" role, like berba, kasami, ruiz, taarabt etc..
Nonetheless, as much as anything, I think that there needs to be change. I'd be just as happy with a new assistant as I would a new manager, but the team is on the road to relegation and has to wake up.
Deeply disappointed by the start of the season. It's not about unrealistic expectations, it's about watching a great squad lose week-after-week..
To be fair, MJ brought in most of those players that like a free role and MJ selects them. It is his team, his formation, his tactics. He has signed some exciting talent but it isn't working under his managament.
List of available managers: http://www.thesackrace.com/job-centre (http://www.thesackrace.com/job-centre)
Quote from: Craven Mad on September 28, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
List of available managers: http://www.thesackrace.com/job-centre (http://www.thesackrace.com/job-centre)
so according to that we're linked with Capello
Quote from: gerrys on September 28, 2013, 05:30:02 PM
West Brom had a rubbish team, we have much better players. Who else is available now and better than him?
Trappatoni................quite capable of giving them an earful too......
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Really? The guy's 74, that would be madness.
Of that list at a quick glance id say hoddle
Paolo Di Canio
At least there would be some entertainment :doh:
Quote from: Craven Mad on September 28, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
List of available managers: http://www.thesackrace.com/job-centre (http://www.thesackrace.com/job-centre)
That list is out of date. Guardiola is listed, Capello listed, Drogba hasn't retired yet, nor Giggs nor Gerrard. Many more mistakes.
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 05:45:28 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on September 28, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
List of available managers: http://www.thesackrace.com/job-centre (http://www.thesackrace.com/job-centre)
That list is out of date. Guardiola is listed, Capello listed, Drogba hasn't retired yet, nor Giggs nor Gerrard. Many more mistakes.
Just seen, still the best list that I could find at the moment. Common sense should prevail though, and it does throw up some useful names..
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Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
Di Matteo Please No.
Di Matteo nearly got WBA relegated. He only did well at Chelsea 'cos the senior players sidelined by AVB managed themselves.
We need to be very careful with who we chose to replace Jol with.
West Brom had a rubbish team, we have much better players. Who else is available now and better than him?
Roy kept that 'rubbish' team up and laid the ground for a decent side who had a very good following season and seem to be doing OK this year.
We have some good players on paper but not a good team.
There are a few I rather have than Di Matteo.
As I said, it needs to be a considered appointment.
Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:52:16 PM
Roy kept that 'rubbish' team up and laid the ground for a decent side who had a very good following season and seem to be doing OK this year.
We have some good players on paper but not a good team.
There are a few I rather have than Di Matteo.
As I said, it needs to be a considered appointment.
Great post, completely agree.
Zola
Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:52:16 PM
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
Di Matteo Please No.
Di Matteo nearly got WBA relegated. He only did well at Chelsea 'cos the senior players sidelined by AVB managed themselves.
We need to be very careful with who we chose to replace Jol with.
West Brom had a rubbish team, we have much better players. Who else is available now and better than him?
Roy kept that 'rubbish' team up and laid the ground for a decent side who had a very good following season and seem to be doing OK this year.
We have some good players on paper but not a good team.
There are a few I rather have than Di Matteo.
As I said, it needs to be a considered appointment.
Yes he did and that says more about how good a manager he is than how awful Di Matteo is. West Brom have a better squad now than they did then.
I'm not saying he's the second coming but I can't see any better manager that is available and likely to join our club. Perhaps someone from Europe.
Di Matteo would be my choice. Hoddle is one of my player-heroes. I don't want him to fail as manager and wreck my memory of him.
One thing I'll say about Di Matteo...
The main reason he was sacked from Chelsea was predictable tactics i.e. lack of any 'Plan B'. Boy, doesn't that sound familiar? Sure, he has a Champions League trophy and an FA Cup to his name, but he was 'one of the boys' at Chelsea; more of a mate than a manager to those players. He didn't do the job at West Brom -- a club of similar size to Fulham where he had no close connections -- so what's to say he won't be a failure here, too?
There were a number of big jobs going around this summer and he wasn't even consider and theres a reason for that he's crap hence why chelsea got rid if him
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: gerrys on September 28, 2013, 05:30:02 PM
West Brom had a rubbish team, we have much better players. Who else is available now and better than him?
Trappatoni................quite capable of giving them an earful too......
Really? The guy's 74, that would be madness.
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At least he'd be older than most of the first team!
di matteo at wba was hardly a good credential
at chelsea all he had to do was caretake for a while and motivate, i don't think he is what we need and is a big gamble that would more likely see us relegated.
poyet is the obvious and best choice. intelligent, understand football, has done it on a shoestring and knows how to organise a team, and that is what we need, organisation.
hoddle was a disaster after england and i can't bear his whinning and croaky voice excuses. he was the reason we won 3 2 at loftus road against spurs, his stupid substitutions cost them the game
Quote from: nose on September 28, 2013, 10:34:19 PM
di matteo at wba was hardly a good credential
at chelsea all he had to do was caretake for a while and motivate, i don't think he is what we need and is a big gamble that would more likely see us relegated.
poyet is the obvious and best choice. intelligent, understand football, has done it on a shoestring and knows how to organise a team, and that is what we need, organisation.
hoddle was a disaster after england and i can't bear his whinning and croaky voice excuses. he was the reason we won 3 2 at loftus road against spurs, his stupid substitutions cost them the game
Di Matteo is Chelsea through and through which obviously doesn't endear him to me. Also Poyet would be a terrible choice- upset players at Brighton, didn't get on well with the management, left in acrimonious circumstances in which he apparently lied on TV about not knowing about his sacking. Brighton fans were glad to get rid. For me, he'd be another Di Canio type, which is the last thing we need in a squad already low on morale.
Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
Di Matteo Please No.
Di Matteo nearly got WBA relegated. He only did well at Chelsea 'cos the senior players sidelined by AVB managed themselves.
We need to be very careful with who we chose to replace Jol with.
Di Matteo known quantity as a flop, look what Roy did with the sane squad. At least Meulenstein has a long successful record as a coach of the most successful team for the last 10 years.
Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
Di Matteo Please No.
Di Matteo nearly got WBA relegated. He only did well at Chelsea 'cos the senior players sidelined by AVB managed themselves.
We need to be very careful with who we chose to replace Jol with.
I've seen that said over and over again, and it's not even close to the truth. If Roy hadn't become available -- after being canned by Liverpool -- RDM would have stayed with the club and kept them up easily. They played very good football under him.
As far as "he had nothing to do with winning the Champions League," how deluded can one be?
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Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
Di Matteo nearly got WBA relegated.
I've seen that said over and over again, and it's not even close to the truth. If Roy hadn't become available -- after being canned by Liverpool -- RDM would have stayed with the club and kept them up easily. They played very good football under him.
West Brom lost 11 out of Di Matteo's final 16 league games as manager; they lost just 2 of the 13 which remained that season after he was sacked. You cannot possibly know whether Di Matteo, had he stayed, would have achieved such a turn around with the ease you suggest.
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
I am sorry ,but Di Mateo was a disaster at West Bromich .
At Chelsea the seniority players were the ones governed their team.
Hiddink+ Rene Muelesteen are the best choice for Fulham imo.
Quote from: Craven Mad on September 28, 2013, 04:56:23 PM
Given time, Jol may be able to turn things around, but confidence is low ......
You need to look to the manager for the reason why confidence is low. What is the evidence that Jol is capable of turning things around?
Quote from: Danny on September 29, 2013, 06:03:55 AM
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
I am sorry ,but Di Mateo was a disaster at West Bromich .
At Chelsea the seniority players were the ones governed their team.
Hiddink+ Rene Muelesteen are the best choice for Fulham imo.
Hiddink+ Rene Muelesteen are a dreamteam........O'neill or Di Mateo and not premier quality
Quote from: HatterDon on September 29, 2013, 03:38:26 AM
Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
Di Matteo Please No.
Di Matteo nearly got WBA relegated. He only did well at Chelsea 'cos the senior players sidelined by AVB managed themselves.
We need to be very careful with who we chose to replace Jol with.
I've seen that said over and over again, and it's not even close to the truth. If Roy hadn't become available -- after being canned by Liverpool -- RDM would have stayed with the club and kept them up easily. They played very good football under him.
As far as "he had nothing to do with winning the Champions League," how deluded can one be?
Appreciate the personal insult....cheers.
Quote from: EJL on September 28, 2013, 09:58:43 PM
One thing I'll say about Di Matteo...
The main reason he was sacked from Chelsea was predictable tactics i.e. lack of any 'Plan B'. Boy, doesn't that sound familiar? Sure, he has a Champions League trophy and an FA Cup to his name, but he was 'one of the boys' at Chelsea; more of a mate than a manager to those players. He didn't do the job at West Brom -- a club of similar size to Fulham where he had no close connections -- so what's to say he won't be a failure here, too?
+1 would be a big error.. as would ONeill
What about Uwe Rösler stepping up?
It's funny this manager game, we want to sack our manager for under performing, and the list of replacements consist mainly of managers who have been sacked for under performing.
We all assume that the next one in the door will do better than the last.
NO,NEIN,NYET
We need a British manager who will get us playing proper football, not this round and round possesion is every thing continental style we have been " blessed" with since Jol came
Ole Gunnar Solskjær.
As I said on Twitter: He could be to Fulham as Ladrup is to Swansea.
Quote from: The Old Count on September 29, 2013, 08:40:02 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on September 29, 2013, 03:38:26 AM
Quote from: The Old Count on September 28, 2013, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Moose on September 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
I said I'd wait until we'd played Crystal Palace but I'm changing my mind. Martin has to go now. Di Matteo is the only person I can think of who is available and I'd want to take the job. Meulensteen still very much an unknown quantity management wise and no one else really stands out.
Please not O'Neill.
Di Matteo Please No.
Di Matteo nearly got WBA relegated. He only did well at Chelsea 'cos the senior players sidelined by AVB managed themselves.
We need to be very careful with who we chose to replace Jol with.
I've seen that said over and over again, and it's not even close to the truth. If Roy hadn't become available -- after being canned by Liverpool -- RDM would have stayed with the club and kept them up easily. They played very good football under him.
As far as "he had nothing to do with winning the Champions League," how deluded can one be?
Appreciate the personal insult....cheers.
And BTW I did not say he didn't have anything to do with Chelsea winning the CL. I said that the players managed themselves. Many of them saw it as their last chance to win the CL so the motivation was massive. What he did do, that could be seen as good management (as an ex player and mate), was to let the players do it their way.
I appreciate that you are not overly intelligent but might I respectfully suggest that you at least attempt to engage your brain before handing out unjustified insults.
Guys please cool it a bit, none of us knows each others intelligence levels. In fact my brain is the size of a shed but i hide the fact due to not wanting to frighten people!
Yes there are issues with the team, manager, management, coaches, fitness trainers & the ticket office. However there is not one name on "The List" or others being thrown about that I would like as a new manager. I think the club need to meet as a whole group & have a clear the air, open & frank discussion about the way forward.
The trouble about changing manager during the season is that it just doesn´t involve one person but the whole set up. Players, coaches, scouts all come as a package. It is too much of a disruption in my mind.
Quote from: grandad on September 29, 2013, 11:01:48 AM
Yes there are issues with the team, manager, management, coaches, fitness trainers & the ticket office. However there is not one name on "The List" or others being thrown about that I would like as a new manager. I think the club need to meet as a whole group & have a clear the air, open & frank discussion about the way forward.
The trouble about changing manager during the season is that it just doesn´t involve one person but the whole set up. Players, coaches, scouts all come as a package. It is too much of a disruption in my mind.
So we keep it the same? Is that what you are saying? It has to change and sooner the better as far as I am concerned A change of manager does not have to effect the players badly if it is done properly { thought , when have Fulham ever done anything properly ? ) If the right man is brought in I am sure the players will relish some one who can give them some direction which is what we need, Jol has been making it up as he goes along for years now and that is clearly reflected in the performances and his interviews, he has to go NOW
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Quote from: grandad on September 29, 2013, 11:01:48 AM
Yes there are issues with the team, manager, management, coaches, fitness trainers & the ticket office. However there is not one name on "The List" or others being thrown about that I would like as a new manager. I think the club need to meet as a whole group & have a clear the air, open & frank discussion about the way forward.
The trouble about changing manager during the season is that it just doesn´t involve one person but the whole set up. Players, coaches, scouts all come as a package. It is too much of a disruption in my mind.
So we keep it the same? Is that what you are saying? It has to change and sooner the better as far as I am concerned A change of manager does not have to effect the players badly if it is done properly { thought , when have Fulham ever done anything properly ? ) If the right man is brought in I am sure the players will relish some one who can give them some direction which is what we need, Jol has been making it up as he goes along for years now and that is clearly reflected in the performances and his interviews, he has to go NOW
If it was Hiddink I think most of our squad would **** their pants. It would mean about a threefold increase in their training schedule.
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on September 29, 2013, 10:32:26 AM
Ole Gunnar Solskjær.
As I said on Twitter: He could be to Fulham as Ladrup is to Swansea.
I agree. I'd be more than happy with him. Maybe with Murphy as assistant?