A very emotional moment seeing him so upset with a towel over his head, I think many of us have done the same watching him play (or try to) since he joined FFC!!!! How come he is still with us after the transfer window, surely we could have paid somebody to take him off our hands?
He was worried about the £200 to fill up the white Bentley
My opinion of it is that he is angry with himself and the fact he can't become a first team regular. He knew these cup matches he has to make the most of as he doesnt see much league time.
And I guess he was certain in his head he would play the full match as Rene didnt put a striker on the bench
Prob knows he needed a big game to have a chance of playing/making the squad in the league.
He doesn't look pretty but he tries hard and I think he felt he could have done more as could the guys behind him as despite how good people think Kasami and Tankovic are they didn't create anything for him. And strikers need service.
He was actually pulling off players and finding a little space. His touch is awful and he had no service. Then when players are getting tired he is pulled off and he is upset because he sees Dempsey still playing.
Let's be honest being subbed in a team that still has that shower still on the field made me upset as well.
Quote from: Jamie88 on February 04, 2014, 11:14:23 PM
My opinion of it is that he is angry with himself and the fact he can't become a first team regular. He knew these cup matches he has to make the most of as he doesnt see much league time.
And I guess he was certain in his head he would play the full match as Rene didnt put a striker on the bench
Well, the good news for him is, he will probably be our regular striker next season ...
I listened to it on Talksport and when his name was announced it sounded like the fulham end cheered. IF that was the case then I can imagine that would get to him a bit but my son said he heard nothing on the TV.
Quote from: davew on February 04, 2014, 11:12:21 PM
A very emotional moment seeing him so upset with a towel over his head, I think many of us have done the same watching him play (or try to) since he joined FFC!!!! How come he is still with us after the transfer window, surely we could have paid somebody to take him off our hands?
I think he couldnt understand why he would be sacrificed seeing as there was no other striker who could come on. I agree with him. It was a terrible substituion. We needed a goal. He scored against them in the last game. By all means change the formation to give him support but take him off?! He couldnt get his head around it and niether can i
Frustration. He really wanted to take his chance today and was getting in some decent positions in the box but unfortunately got no service whatsoever.
Good points lads which I agree with and Duke he should do well next year in the Championship and maybe help us back!
He was piss poor with little service, but I think he had more of a chance to put the ball in the back of the net than any other player over 90 minutes. I think it was disbelief that Rene' a) pulled him off with no other striker on the bench and b) the way he pulled him off, there was a slight bit of arrogance to it as if Rene' made an example of him. He looked in tears, slightly embarrassed, with Steck looking a bit embarrassed for him. I like Rene', but he got this one totally wrong.
Quote from: leonffc on February 04, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
I listened to it on Talksport and when his name was announced it sounded like the fulham end cheered. IF that was the case then I can imagine that would get to him a bit but my son said he heard nothing on the TV.
There was no cheer when he went off, he was frustrated at being subbed, he had so little service, playing 1 up front against a league 1 side is pathetic, even RVP would have struggled to score tonight for us with the poor slow passing we produce and so many balls going astray, not even basic football skills were on show tonight.
Quote from: Humbled on February 04, 2014, 11:16:19 PM
Prob knows he needed a big game to have a chance of playing/making the squad in the league.
He doesn't look pretty but he tries hard and I think he felt he could have done more as could the guys behind him as despite how good people think Kasami and Tankovic are they didn't create anything for him. And strikers need service.
Agreed about not getting the service and felt for him. I'm the first to say his control of the ball is poor, but one pass tonight in first half went to him like a bullet and of course he didn't control it. At the time of substitution it could've been one of many instead of him.
Quote from: davew on February 04, 2014, 11:19:09 PM
... and Duke he should do well next year in the Championship and maybe help us back!
I agree. I think he plays well at times and I like him as a squad player.
I was surprised when he was taken off, and quite pleased with his reaction, at least someone seemed to want to play.
Maybe he realises he hasn't earnt his salary since he has been with us. I'm not his biggest fan fav I would play my dead grand father rather than him.
Quote from: chiefo on February 04, 2014, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: Humbled on February 04, 2014, 11:16:19 PM
Prob knows he needed a big game to have a chance of playing/making the squad in the league.
He doesn't look pretty but he tries hard and I think he felt he could have done more as could the guys behind him as despite how good people think Kasami and Tankovic are they didn't create anything for him. And strikers need service.
Agreed about not getting the service and felt for him. I'm the first to say his control of the ball is poor, but one pass tonight in first half went to him like a bullet and of course he didn't control it. At the time of substitution it could've been one of many instead of him.
Was he any worse than Dempsey, not sure but what he tried failed miserably
Quote from: epsomraver on February 04, 2014, 11:20:32 PM
Quote from: leonffc on February 04, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
I listened to it on Talksport and when his name was announced it sounded like the fulham end cheered. IF that was the case then I can imagine that would get to him a bit but my son said he heard nothing on the TV.
There was no cheer when he went off, he was frustrated at being subbed, he had so little service, playing 1 up front against a league 1 side is pathetic, even RVP would have struggled to score tonight for us with the poor slow passing we produce and so many balls going astray, not even basic football skills were on show tonight.
They said pretty much the same on the commentry. I just thought I heard a cheer go up but its even more difficult to get an idea on the radio. As I said, my son heard nothing but I wasn't sure
Quote from: epsomraver on February 04, 2014, 11:20:32 PM
Quote from: leonffc on February 04, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
I listened to it on Talksport and when his name was announced it sounded like the fulham end cheered. IF that was the case then I can imagine that would get to him a bit but my son said he heard nothing on the TV.
There was no cheer when he went off, he was frustrated at being subbed, he had so little service, playing 1 up front against a league 1 side is pathetic, even RVP would have struggled to score tonight for us with the poor slow passing we produce and so many balls going astray, not even basic football skills were on show tonight.
He even dropped back in to the midfield a couple of times just to get on the ball and make Sheffield United think about things a little more. I honestly think he tried tonight. His heavy touch let him down a couple of times in the first half (one good opportunity to score) but it was really harsh to take him off at the time Rene did
Quote from: Bill2 on February 04, 2014, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: chiefo on February 04, 2014, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: Humbled on February 04, 2014, 11:16:19 PM
Prob knows he needed a big game to have a chance of playing/making the squad in the league.
He doesn't look pretty but he tries hard and I think he felt he could have done more as could the guys behind him as despite how good people think Kasami and Tankovic are they didn't create anything for him. And strikers need service.
Agreed about not getting the service and felt for him. I'm the first to say his control of the ball is poor, but one pass tonight in first half went to him like a bullet and of course he didn't control it. At the time of substitution it could've been one of many instead of him.
Was he any worse than Dempsey, not sure but what he tried failed miserably
Quote from: Bill2 on February 04, 2014, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: chiefo on February 04, 2014, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: Humbled on February 04, 2014, 11:16:19 PM
Prob knows he needed a big game to have a chance of playing/making the squad in the league.
He doesn't look pretty but he tries hard and I think he felt he could have done more as could the guys behind him as despite how good people think Kasami and Tankovic are they didn't create anything for him. And strikers need service.
Agreed about not getting the service and felt for him. I'm the first to say his control of the ball is poor, but one pass tonight in first half went to him like a bullet and of course he didn't control it. At the time of substitution it could've been one of many instead of him.
Was he any worse than Dempsey, not sure but what he tried failed miserably
I actually like Rodders.
He didn't do anything good BUT to have any chance of that he would have had to come and got the ball off the keeper at the edge of his own box. There were 5 players at least worse.
Kaca was absolutely anonymous tonight. He should be more embarrassed than Hugo.
Can't believe how underestimated Rodallega is. He does much more than what he's been given credit for
I think he deserves a proper chance. Tonight it was wrong to sub him
He should never have been the one taken off. At least he works for the team, and has a bit more pace than ANY other player on the pitch tonight.
Dempsey, on the other hand, should have been hauled off at half time. I can't remember him doing anything positive with the ball, other than winning a couple of freekicks and playing that one-two with Rodellega in the first half. He was woeful. It's sad and depressing to see such a cult hero come back and look so off the pace and unfit. He's completely lost the flair he once had in abundance and really brings nothing to the team from what I can see. It was sad and embarrassing seeing Hugo, the only recognised striker in the squad, being taken off for two wingers. He deserved better than that.
Remember a certain Paul Parker coming back under Adams. Getting a tanking off Cardiff on a Friday night live on tv, never the same again,and same here with Clint.
At that point it dawned on me that actually Muelensteen hasn't got a clue.
I have it on good authority that he was cheered off. MAybe not by everyone but certainly enough for him to hear. Disgraceful behaviour.
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 05, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
I have it on good authority that he was cheered off. MAybe not by everyone but certainly enough for him to hear. Disgraceful behaviour.
I didn't hear any cheering.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 05, 2014, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 05, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
I have it on good authority that he was cheered off. MAybe not by everyone but certainly enough for him to hear. Disgraceful behaviour.
I didn't hear any cheering.
Nor did I, sat behind Rene in the Riverside. Hugo just looked baffled - and hurt - that he was being taken off. And I do think it was a very strange decision.
Can't blame Hugo last night. No support, nothing.
Still don't understand why at home we are playing with one striker then take him off.....
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 05, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
I have it on good authority that he was cheered off. MAybe not by everyone but certainly enough for him to hear. Disgraceful behaviour.
I was at the game, and Rodallega was NOT cheered off. There was a bit of cheering when people saw that Dejagah was coming on, because it was clear an injection of pace was needed, but when people saw that our only striker Rodallega was being taken off, the reaction was one of incredulity and anger.
Quote from: Plodder on February 05, 2014, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 05, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
I have it on good authority that he was cheered off. MAybe not by everyone but certainly enough for him to hear. Disgraceful behaviour.
I was at the game, and Rodallega was NOT cheered off. There was a bit of cheering when people saw that Dejagah was coming on, because it was clear an injection of pace was needed, but when people saw that our only striker Rodallega was being taken off, the reaction was one of incredulity and anger.
He was definitely cheered off by some. Judging by the response here, not by very many. I heard a cheer on the screen (could be the Dejagah moment). My pal had an argument with a group who were doing it.
As I said in this topic last night, on the radio it sounded clear he was cheered as his name was read out. I am watching it now on SKY+ and there was definately a cheer when his name was read out and another when Dejagah's was called.
Obviously both media depends on the position of the microphones for the volume heard compared to the volume in real time at the ground but I heard them none the less.
And for what it is worth, my SKY+ version says that Dempsey should have been hooked before Rodders
This is where telly is very good. When his name was announced he looked baffled. So the reaction of the crowd, what there was of it, was not the reason he became upset. I am afraid that after supporting Rene I found yesterday so baffling, set of the team and the subs, that I believe Rodders could have done a better job sorting out the team. Disgraceful management.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2014, 10:31:48 AM
This is where telly is very good. When his name was announced he looked baffled. So the reaction of the crowd, what there was of it, was not the reason he became upset. I am afraid that after supporting Rene I found yesterday so baffling, set of the team and the subs, that I believe Rodders could have done a better job sorting out the team. Disgraceful management.
Yeah, i did mean to tag on the end of my post that he looked annoyed and confused with the decision rather than upset at the jeers
David Hamilton's announcement comes after the board is shown and player and crowd already know about the substitution.
Not necessarily so for TV viewers.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 05, 2014, 10:38:40 AM
David Hamilton's announcement comes after the board is shown and player and crowd already know about the substitution.
Not necessarily so for TV viewers.
There were still two sets of cheers, one for each name. This suggests Hugo's name was cheered off IMO
Quote from: leonffc on February 05, 2014, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 05, 2014, 10:38:40 AM
David Hamilton's announcement comes after the board is shown and player and crowd already know about the substitution.
Not necessarily so for TV viewers.
There were still two sets of cheers, one for each name. This suggests Hugo's name was cheered off IMO
Well I was there and he wasn't.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 05, 2014, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: leonffc on February 05, 2014, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 05, 2014, 10:38:40 AM
David Hamilton's announcement comes after the board is shown and player and crowd already know about the substitution.
Not necessarily so for TV viewers.
There were still two sets of cheers, one for each name. This suggests Hugo's name was cheered off IMO
Well I was there and he wasn't.
Regardless there was definitely fans cheering. My friend had an altercation with a few because of it.
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 05, 2014, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 05, 2014, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: leonffc on February 05, 2014, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 05, 2014, 10:38:40 AM
David Hamilton's announcement comes after the board is shown and player and crowd already know about the substitution.
Not necessarily so for TV viewers.
There were still two sets of cheers, one for each name. This suggests Hugo's name was cheered off IMO
Well I was there and he wasn't.
Regardless there was definitely fans cheering. My friend had an altercation with a few because of it.
No he didn't. Tony Didnt see or hear it :dft011:
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 05, 2014, 10:31:48 AM
This is where telly is very good. When his name was announced he looked baffled. So the reaction of the crowd, what there was of it, was not the reason he became upset. I am afraid that after supporting Rene I found yesterday so baffling, set of the team and the subs, that I believe Rodders could have done a better job sorting out the team. Disgraceful management.
Really felt for him tried his best but no service. Think most supporters were baffled with the sub as he took off the only striker. Reminded me of Jol's substitutions
rodders should never have been taken off... he wasn't playing well but who was? His future is vested in fulham and needs a confidence boost, dempsey is off soon so didn't need to be kept on, he was equally awful and then simply ran out of puff as the game and extra tiime wore on, all the more reason for rodders to stay on
and one last thing on the subject, rodders touch was awful but he really had very little service, I felt for him and thought the change was wrong.
At least he showed emotion, these players give the impression they don't care, they are still gettin paid at the end off the day.
I would be mad p1ssed off if you were the striker and you get taken off and there is no striker to replace you, that's an insult , "I'm gonna replace you with a winger and put an attacking midfielder in your position"
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 05, 2014, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: leonffc on February 05, 2014, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on February 05, 2014, 10:38:40 AM
David Hamilton's announcement comes after the board is shown and player and crowd already know about the substitution.
Not necessarily so for TV viewers.
There were still two sets of cheers, one for each name. This suggests Hugo's name was cheered off IMO
Well I was there and he wasn't.
:plus one:
I dont want to get in to a petty argument as I've already said that I dont think that the cheers (or no cheers) were the reason he was upset but the I copy & pasted this from the first article in 'Wednesday Fulham stuff'.
"Inconsolable Rodallega shows discontent after being dragged off as Sheffield United knock Fulham out of FA Cup
Fulham midfielder Hugo Rodallega seemed inconsolable after being substituted during Fulham's FA Cup fourth round replay defeat to Sheffield United on Tuesday night.
After his substitution on the hour mark, Rodallega sulked towards the bench before sitting down and covering his head with a coat for several minutes.
The Columbian forward had been having a poor game and his removal was roundly cheered by Fulham fans at Craven Cottage which wouldn't have helped his mood."
Written by a reporter who was not there, the press box was nearly empty.
Quote from: epsomraver on February 05, 2014, 02:45:25 PM
Written by a reporter who was not there, the press box was nearly empty.
Whether or not you or anyone else in this thread heard it, it happened. people there heard and saw it. Just because one person didn't hear it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Nor does trolling with a +1 ;)
Some individuals may well have cheered - the crowd as a whole certainly didn't.
Most of us were too cold, wet and miserable to cheer about anything.
This is why we are in the league, our players are so fragile they cry at being taken off. Another embarassment for the club. Genuinely feel the players are not fit for the fight, mentally not tough enough. Terminate the contract, ship him off to the Championship as a free agent. You want to get Fulham out of this mess, man up and start fighting for everything. That applies to every senior pro at this club, about time someone sorted these players out. Cancel contracts and let the football world know the reason is they're gutless, passionless fragile little lambs.
Imagine Pulis was in charge sticking his boot in to their ego's, there would be tears, tantrums and strops left right and centre.
Probably upset that he was taken off and Dempsey was still on the pitch. Felt sorry for him. Dempsey did his usual trick of trying to land on his backside as often as possible.
I see nothing here to justify Rodallega's behaviour. If the suggestion is true that he reacted badly to being taken off because he felt that others had been no less poor than him, I would regard this as childish. He may have thought that he was hard done-by, but which player wouldn't? And you can be absolutely certain that if ever he were playing and a team-mate less deserving was about to be hauled off, there is not a cat-in-hell's chance that Rodallega would ask to be substituted instead.
If he feels the need to show his displeasure, there is a time and a place to air grievances - and it's not in front of the supporters and media.
It really wasn't demonstrative - he just looked shocked and upset.
He merely showed he was upset. The rest showed no passion so I applaud him. He didn't argue he juwst looked shocked. Like many of us. The tie was finished from then on because the ball was lost every time Dempsey had and nobody was running off him.
This is the footnote to an article for The Standard:
... The club are bottom of the League and their season hit a new low when they crashed out of the FA Cup to Sheffield United on Tuesday.
Hugo Rodallega appeared to be in tears when he was substituted during the tie and has accused Meulensteen of showing him a lack of respect.
The forward told Colombian TV show Kick Off: "I have no relationship with the new manager and I think he has been disrespectful. He always keeps his forwards on whether or not they are playing well so I don't know why he did this to me. It broke my heart. I've never gone through a situation like the one on Tuesday in my career. I couldn't sleep that night."
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/fulham-need-a-quick-return-on-kostas-mitroglou-outlay-9114659.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/fulham-need-a-quick-return-on-kostas-mitroglou-outlay-9114659.html)
Man up, Hugo.
And don't be publicly undermining the manager who is charged with making such decisions; it is disrespectful to the Club and I now have far less respect for you.
Not sure it is Hugo that needs to man up. He was upset but did nothing but look deeply shocked. He was clearly puzzled by the decision. His interview afterwards showed this. As for undermining the manager. Did anybody watching live or on telly think that taking off the only striker against a 3rd division struggling side and leaving a half paced, out of form player up front was going to make the game better?
Rene got it horribly wrong and it is about time the Fulham players showed half the heart Rodders does. I was equally upset by the way the joke of a team behaved against a poor third division side. I was deeply upset by the poor decisons from our coach and or managers. I thank Hugo for showing the only bit of passion. Our team needs to man up and look as if they care. The cup game was the last straw.
I think they should have all started crying like that - I know I did.
To see a squad of highly paid, mainly international, professional footballers put in such a pathetic moribund effort as that made me feel frankly ashamed of the team - about the second time ever in 39 years following them. I hope they feel suitably embarrased. At least Hugo demonstrated some emotion, some feeling.
I liked him so much when he played for Wigan - If only he could recapture his form, but I doubt he will now.
Agree with Lighthouse and NorfolkJim.
I thought it wouldn't get worse than after Southampton dumped us to the bottom of the table.
But boy, was I wrong.
We sent out a strong side in the FAC which showed no heart and were beaten by a team in the relegation doo-doo two leagues below us and who played their second XI as they had some key players missing (suspension, injury, or rested for the "more important" match v Shrewsbury this coming weekend).
And it wasn't just the lack of heart that hurt. It was the fact that this represented a real opportunity to progress - the draw for the next round was relatively kind to us, and in pitting four of the favourites together would have reduced the number of "big beasts" in the following round.
But that was then.
Time to move on.
The team need to pick themselves up, dust themselves down, and move on.
As do I...
agreed Burt............................nevertheless 3 days later and I still can't fathom why we would take off our only striker - Roddellega never had a chance to do anything really, except for a few overhit "through " passes from Hangeland ----- does make one wonder about our management team though
If what the media are reporting is what Rodellega actually said about respect is true, I would be surprised to see him in a Fulham shirt again.
Man Up! Talk to Meulensteen instead of sobbing into a towel... Talk to Meulensteen instead of a Colombian TV channel.
Keep it internal rather than washing dirty linen in public
Fulham/ RM havent commented on it and thus its being kept internal. Showing heart is one thing but blabbering in public to a TV channel is another. It must be a term or condition of contract to keep internal matters internal.
Quote from: bucksfulham on February 07, 2014, 04:02:49 PM
If what the media are reporting is what Rodellega actually said about respect is true, I would be surprised to see him in a Fulham shirt again.
After his performances last season I'm always surprised to see him in a Fulham shirt
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 07, 2014, 02:44:30 PM
Not sure it is Hugo that needs to man up. He was upset but did nothing but look deeply shocked. He was clearly puzzled by the decision. His interview afterwards showed this. As for undermining the manager. Did anybody watching live or on telly think that taking off the only striker against a 3rd division struggling side and leaving a half paced, out of form player up front was going to make the game better?
Rene got it horribly wrong and it is about time the Fulham players showed half the heart Rodders does. I was equally upset by the way the joke of a team behaved against a poor third division side. I was deeply upset by the poor decisons from our coach and or managers. I thank Hugo for showing the only bit of passion. Our team needs to man up and look as if they care. The cup game was the last straw.
While no player likes to be substituted when his team are playing poorly, every footballer knows that this can and - at times in his career - will happen. Every weekend, there must be dozens of professional footballers who are unhappy or annoyed or puzzled that their manager has reacted to a poor performance by deciding to replace
them. Yet, I don't see all of them voicing their displeasure to the media - and I certainly don't see them accusing their manager of being disrespectful.
Disrespectful? Over a substitution! How juvenile!
And whether or not it was the right thing to do is irrelevant. Such decisions are a matter of opinion - and the person to whom the responsibility is given is the manager.
I reiterate: every player knows that being substituted is part and parcel of being a footballer. If Hugo feels aggrieved (and as the football world now knows - he does), he should sort it out in an adult manner: privately. There can be no excuse for publicly questioning the manager's intentions.
Negative outbursts from players is exactly what the club doesn't need right now.
Whether the decision was right or wrong - keep it behind closed doors Rodallega.