For me being a Fulham supporter all my life at the age of 21 this season truly feels like the death of Fulham Fc embarrassing performances, woeful players and management and an owner who doesn't even give a sh** and just wants to flog american football in England - I am struggling to mentally prepare myself for the natural decline and watching us lose to teams like Huddersfield and get knocked out the Johnstones paint trophy when I know I've seen us beat juventus, man united a couple of years running and even beat the chelseascum. How do we stay sane, how hate club not refunded us for the shite we've had to endure - or I may just be getting complacent and ungrateful, Fulham are just driving me effing barmy
Well you're not forced to support Fulham you know.
Quote from: RaySmith on February 05, 2014, 12:17:51 AM
Well you're not forced to support Fulham you know.
- this is beside the point, I love this club like we all do but I can see a portsmouth on the horizon where we all own the club and we're kicking around in the isthmians
Get a grip if you are Fulhamsfinest .......well God help us
Sorry F_F just realised you are young ............................but DO get a grip it was a hodge-podge team out there tonight
the our young lads played with heart.
...........and there is a 50% chance we will win on Sunday.
Quote from: KCat on February 05, 2014, 12:32:49 AM
Get a grip if you are Fulhamsfinest .......well God help us
Sorry F_F just realised you are young ............................but DO get a grip it was a hodge-podge team out there tonight
the our young lads played with heart.
...........and there is a 50% chance we will win on Sunday.
The game certainly starts at 0-0
Relegation would not be the end, just the start of a new challenge. One thing it would do is sort out the real supporters from the fair-weather friends.
Quote from: premFlem on February 05, 2014, 12:51:47 AM
Relegation would not be the end, just the start of a new challenge. One thing it would do is sort out the real supporters from its fair-weather friends.
I have been thinking the same, only thing I am scared of is a Portsmouth situation, I would stick to the club forever and ever, but going down to never come back up would break my heart... if we go down, I surely hope a complete rebuild internal of the staff of Fulham should be donw, Khan would need to take actions, and build for the future
Grow up! We have been in darker places than this unfortunately you have only known top flight football so I can see where you are coming from but you need to either man up or support someone else 049:gif
I'm 19 have been supporting since 2004, and to be honest it is scary when all I know is the premier league. I'll have trouble streaming the games, will have difficulty talking to people who support teams in the PL, and so forth. Nonetheless I know I'll always support Fulham. It's my philosophy that once you've chosen, you've chosen.
Quote from: fulhams_finest on February 05, 2014, 12:15:18 AM
For me being a Fulham supporter all my life at the age of 21 this season truly feels like the death of Fulham Fc embarrassing performances, woeful players and management and an owner who doesn't even give a sh** and just wants to flog american football in England - I am struggling to mentally prepare myself for the natural decline and watching us lose to teams like Huddersfield and get knocked out the Johnstones paint trophy when I know I've seen us beat juventus, man united a couple of years running and even beat the chelseascum. How do we stay sane, how hate club not refunded us for the shite we've had to endure - or I may just be getting complacent and ungrateful, Fulham are just driving me effing barmy
Don't mean to sound patronising but due to your age it seems you have only known the 'good times'. We have been in a lot worse. Our club has been literally close to death but survived and there is some way to go before we are in that position. Being able to handle the bad is what makes us different. Always be proud to be a Fulham fan no matter what the performances and results are like. 'Big clubs' supporters wouldn't be able to handle this and if you have friends that say that they could and are around your age ask them to prove it. They can say that they would still support their team no matter what but they cant prove it. You can. And it is not over yet. Another great escape could happen..
Think of Harry Potter books plus legends, we will be like a Phoenix rising the ashes
Quote from: MayoDomo on February 05, 2014, 06:30:17 AM
I'm 19 have been supporting since 2004, and to be honest it is scary when all I know is the premier league. I'll have trouble streaming the games, will have difficulty talking to people who support teams in the PL, and so forth. Nonetheless I know I'll always support Fulham. It's my philosophy that once you've chosen, you've chosen.
And that makes you a true fan :54:
Just think how much enjoyment you will feel when we draw one of your mates team's from the Premierhip in next years FA Cup and knock them out and even if we don't then as no one will be expecting it there will be no pain!!
Quote from: Berserker on February 05, 2014, 07:01:48 AM
Think of Harry Potter books plus legends, we will be like a Phoenix rising the ashes
Yep we have been there and done that :54:
Quote from: fulhams_finest on February 05, 2014, 12:15:18 AM
For me being a Fulham supporter all my life at the age of 21 this season truly feels like the death of Fulham Fc embarrassing performances, woeful players and management and an owner who doesn't even give a sh** and just wants to flog american football in England - I am struggling to mentally prepare myself for the natural decline and watching us lose to teams like Huddersfield and get knocked out the Johnstones paint trophy when I know I've seen us beat juventus, man united a couple of years running and even beat the chelseascum. How do we stay sane, how hate club not refunded us for the shite we've had to endure - or I may just be getting complacent and ungrateful, Fulham are just driving me effing barmy
Wait till you're 48 mate you'll see alot more of life and you will be able to look back and smile at how you feel now, it's only a game.
Oh get a grip. Death of Fulham? It's called relegation. In what way has the owner shown he "doesn't even a give a sh*t"? Was it when he, rightly or wrongly, hired 3 fairly experienced (in their own ways) people in Rene, Curbishley and Wilkins? Was it when he bought a striker for £10m+?
Quote from: SKSW6 on February 05, 2014, 08:08:47 AM
Oh get a grip. Death of Fulham? It's called relegation. In what way has the owner shown he "doesn't even a give a sh*t"? Was it when he, rightly or wrongly, hired 3 fairly experienced (in their own ways) people in Rene, Curbishley and Wilkins? Was it when he bought a striker for £10m+?
I'd have to agree with most of the above here.. Khan's doing what he can right now and it's a lot more then MAF did in his last couple of seasons in charge.
With hindsight it's actually a shame we spent this money now (and that's something I'd mentioned before). If it'd had turned us round in the confidence stakes then it might have been worth it, but there's no way we're surviving even with these new additions. Now it's money lost from a Championship rebuilding war chest.
You could tell looking at the faces of the players as they walked out last night.. Our fight this season is over, we went out to lose, at home, against a team in the relegation places two leagues below us.
I appreciate that you are only young but I wonder what your reaction would have been when we went second bottom of the fourth division. But you know what? It was not too long after that, when we started our climb back to the top.
40+ years a supporter,though admittedly I now live in Russia and am lucky if I see them once every 4 years-At the Europa final also.I am inclined to agree with the younger people on our sad demise and the result and performance was as bad as losing at home to Hayes and yeading in the cup and our relegation to gthe lowest league.Shame on you Fulham players last night you don't deserve to wear the shirt,shame on our 3 management teams you are an embarassment.Keep Khan though and be thankful we have him.Get rid of the players who dared to suggest they represented us last night.Destoy the present FFC and start again ASAP.May we never see the likes of the present rubbish again.Final thought FFC are the fans-not the players,you merely represent us!!!
I understand we have been in worse positions, and can people stop with the personal attacks - I can guarantee none to few of you travelled to accrington away a few years ago or were even at the game a last night so shame on you for calling me a bad supporter. I was mainly throwing a theoretical out there
, you only have to look at Teams like Leeds and Charlton etc. to know we are not going to have an easy time getting back and I fear the worst - my opinion. I will be attending next year and I will see new stadiums and teams I haven't seen us play before, I just think it is a crying shame with that being the easiest cup run we have had in a while and especially with the planning permission on the riverside that will now go to waste. With regards to me being immature and only seeing the good times I'm afraid my age/era makes that the case, this is a new low for me and was hoping to get some advice on how to deal with it a apposed to a tirade of abuse - thought we were better than that oh well
Quote from: fulhams_finest on February 05, 2014, 09:43:00 AM
I understand we have been in worse positions, and can people stop with the personal attacks - I can guarantee none to few of you travelled to accrington away a few years ago or were even at the game a last night so shame on you for calling me a bad supporter. I was mainly throwing a theoretical out there
, you only have to look at Teams like Leeds and Charlton etc. to know we are not going to have an easy time getting back and I fear the worst - my opinion. I will be attending next year and I will see new stadiums and teams I haven't seen us play before, I just think it is a crying shame with that being the easiest cup run we have had in a while and especially with the planning permission on the riverside that will now go to waste. With regards to me being immature and only seeing the good times I'm afraid my age/era makes that the case, this is a new low for me and was hoping to get some advice on how to deal with it a apposed to a tirade of abuse - thought we were better than that oh well
Well done. There will be another topic coming along soon enough so keep your powder dry until then.
Quote from: fulhams_finest on February 05, 2014, 09:43:00 AM
I understand we have been in worse positions, and can people stop with the personal attacks - I can guarantee none to few of you travelled to accrington away a few years ago or were even at the game a last night so shame on you for calling me a bad supporter. I was mainly throwing a theoretical out there
, you only have to look at Teams like Leeds and Charlton etc. to know we are not going to have an easy time getting back and I fear the worst - my opinion. I will be attending next year and I will see new stadiums and teams I haven't seen us play before, I just think it is a crying shame with that being the easiest cup run we have had in a while and especially with the planning permission on the riverside that will now go to waste. With regards to me being immature and only seeing the good times I'm afraid my age/era makes that the case, this is a new low for me and was hoping to get some advice on how to deal with it a apposed to a tirade of abuse - thought we were better than that oh well
tirade
tʌɪˈreɪd,tɪ-/Submit
noun
1.
a long, angry speech of criticism or accusation.
abuse
noun
əˈbjuːs/
2.cruel and violent treatment of a person or animal.
LOL.
People were merely commenting on how unnecessarily hysterical you were getting. It's only relegation. You think we're the first team to ever be relegated with a bunch of players who seem like they don't care? Imagine being a Stockport County fan. They were still in League 1 in 2010. Now they're in the conference north after years of horrendous mismanagement and being put in administration. Look at what happened to Wimbledon, Portsmouth, Rangers. Puts it into perspective that you're calling a club with no debt being relegated from the Premier League "the death of Fulham FC".
Quote from: SKSW6 on February 05, 2014, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: fulhams_finest on February 05, 2014, 09:43:00 AM
I understand we have been in worse positions, and can people stop with the personal attacks - I can guarantee none to few of you travelled to accrington away a few years ago or were even at the game a last night so shame on you for calling me a bad supporter. I was mainly throwing a theoretical out there
, you only have to look at Teams like Leeds and Charlton etc. to know we are not going to have an easy time getting back and I fear the worst - my opinion. I will be attending next year and I will see new stadiums and teams I haven't seen us play before, I just think it is a crying shame with that being the easiest cup run we have had in a while and especially with the planning permission on the riverside that will now go to waste. With regards to me being immature and only seeing the good times I'm afraid my age/era makes that the case, this is a new low for me and was hoping to get some advice on how to deal with it a apposed to a tirade of abuse - thought we were better than that oh well
tirade
tʌɪˈreɪd,tɪ-/Submit
noun
1.
a long, angry speech of criticism or accusation.
abuse
noun
əˈbjuːs/
2.cruel and violent treatment of a person or animal.
LOL.
People were merely commenting on how unnecessarily hysterical you were getting. It's only relegation. You think we're the first team to ever be relegated with a bunch of players who seem like they don't care? Imagine being a Stockport County fan. They were still in League 1 in 2010. Now they're in the conference north after years of horrendous mismanagement and being put in administration. Look at what happened to Wimbledon, Portsmouth, Rangers. Puts it into perspective that you're calling a club with no debt being relegated from the Premier League "the death of Fulham FC".
:plus one:
Well I must admit I'll be glad when we know for certain mathematically that we are relegated. I will then go back to enjoying games and going to matches again in a positive manner. Even if we know before the end of this season in the Prem, I will go back to watching the remaining games in a relaxed manner.
Will people stop saying 'It is ONLY relegation'. While the death of Fulham may be an angry over the top spew of anger. One I completely understand. It is one that I prefer after last nights and the last few seasons performance.
So big deal some of us have been with the club when they were bottom of the league. Just means we are older. This relegation and the way the club has acted over the last few years feels like the ending of a great moment in our history. Thirteen years wasted with a few seasons of neglect.
Not ONLY relegation and not a death either. But Fulham are in bed at the moment and unable to play football. It feels like a nasty illness and we have seen better days.
I think we shall find the championship a bit more enjoyable. We might win a few home games. The premiership has been miserable for us ever since Dembele left and I can't say I've enjoyed it at all. I'm looking at it as a fresh start rather than impending doom.
Death of fulham rofl... you are not old enough to remember when we had alan dicks in charge and we almost merged with qpr and fulham was amost leveled by the builders to build flats that was far more depressing than the current situation.
Wow. If you can only have an opinion about fulham if you've been through the initiation of 'being there' when we were at the bottom of the pile then I fear for the club once you've all died off. No real supporters left. Give me a break.
It would be impossible for the OP to have been through that having been born only two decades ago so his view of the club is different. As is mine.
If you can't have an opinion unless you're 60+ and were there during the last relegation then what a miserable bunch of sods you are.
Over the top perhaps, but it's the way he feels so let him express it as we have to listen to musings about the good old days.
I find adopting a simple Stoic technique helps:
Apply a simple standard of evaluation to your thoughts and impressions as follows. Having paused to view your thoughts from a distance, ask yourself whether they are about things that are directly under your control or things that are not. This has been called the general precept or strategy of ancient Stoic practice. If you notice that your feelings are about something that's outside of your direct control then respond by trying to accept the fact that it's out of your hands, saying to yourself: "This is nothing to me." Focus your attention instead on doing what is within your sphere of control with wisdom and to the best of your ability, regardless of the actual outcome.
intellectually sound and we can either stop going or give our undying support and then when the inevitable happens and we are mathematically relegated adopt a gallows sense of humour as we are humiliated every week until the season mercifully ends.
Blimey what a fuss! been going since 1967 we have been in much worse places as many in this Forum will testify.
Last night was probably the worst performance I have seen but hey ho, we go on.
I would personally bring in Curbishley on the basis that he's already there, he has kept both Charlton and West Ham up before and most importantly he will have a plan...and that's what the players need right now.
As for relegation? well, it won't be the end of the world or Fulham FC for that matter.
But we ain't down yet and maybe, just maybe with a plan, we can get out of it
Quote from: PokerMatt on February 05, 2014, 11:39:49 AM
Wow. If you can only have an opinion about fulham if you've been through the initiation of 'being there' when we were at the bottom of the pile then I fear for the club once you've all died off. No real supporters left. Give me a break.
It would be impossible for the OP to have been through that having been born only two decades ago so his view of the club is different. As is mine.
If you can't have an opinion unless you're 60+ and were there during the last relegation then what a miserable bunch of sods you are.
Over the top perhaps, but it's the way he feels so let him express it as we have to listen to musings about the good old days.
Nicely put Matt.
I think, though, that some of the OAPs amongst us were referring to the bad old days to push the point that we have been there before, in a lot worse manner than this season, and therefore to refer to this situation as being the 'Death' of Fulham is somewhat over the top. Perhaps that makes some people more accepting of the possibility of relegation, and that's not to say anyone likes it, but it's not the death of us either.
After last nights game I welcomed relegation for a fleeting time, solely due to my embarrassment at seeing the team fall to such a low, but upon reflection, we have survived here for some 12 seasons and might do so again.
Quote from: PokerMatt on February 05, 2014, 11:39:49 AM
Wow. If you can only have an opinion about fulham if you've been through the initiation of 'being there' when we were at the bottom of the pile then I fear for the club once you've all died off. No real supporters left. Give me a break.
It would be impossible for the OP to have been through that having been born only two decades ago so his view of the club is different. As is mine.
If you can't have an opinion unless you're 60+ and were there during the last relegation then what a miserable bunch of sods you are.
Over the top perhaps, but it's the way he feels so let him express it as we have to listen to musings about the good old days.
It wasn't being suggested that you could only have an opinion if you 'were there'. It was that the 'death of fulham fc' was over the top considering what the club has been through before. It is ridiculous to compare the running of the club now to the way it was in the early 80's but of course if you weren't there you wouldn't know that so its understandable why the newer/younger fans would react in this way, but, it is an overreaction.
Like i said in response originally, another great escape can happen and if it doesn't you can rub it in the face of your glory hunting Arsenal/Chelsea/Man U/Liverpool supporting friends who can't prove that they would still support their club if it went down..
Quote from: Logicalman on February 05, 2014, 12:39:57 PM
After last nights game I welcomed relegation for a fleeting time, solely due to my embarrassment at seeing the team fall to such a low, but upon reflection, we have survived here for some 12 seasons and might do so again.
Great post. My sentiments entirely.
It may appear as if many of the players have given up, but none of them will want to go down. A win - or even a draw against high-ranking opposition - and maybe we can start to build up a bit of positive momentum to at least give ourselves a chance going into the last few games of the season.
Thank God Fulham-Finest you weren't around when we played in the old 4th Division... grass growing on the terraces...letters missing from the riverside stand because we couldn't afford to replace them...3000 spectators.....etc etc. Ask all those teams in the 3 divisions below ours if they think this is the " Death of Fulham ". Ah to be 21 again !
Quote from: Gezza on February 05, 2014, 01:41:20 PM
Thank God Fulham-Finest you weren't around when we played in the old 4th Division... grass growing on the terraces...letters missing from the riverside stand because we couldn't afford to replace them...3000 spectators.....etc etc. Ask all those teams in the 3 divisions below ours if they think this is the " Death of Fulham ". Ah to be 21 again !
Been going to the Cottage since 1978 and I remember the bad old days. The Cottage at the back end of the 80's early 90's was truly a dump. Parts of the Hammy End crumbling down and indeed grass growing between the cracks in the terracing. I don't want it but I don't see relegation as a total disaster, more of a wake up call. Khan has put his money where his mouth is and I can assure you he won't want to own a Championship club with a low resale value. COYW. Hope is not lost !!
Obviously the title of this thread is way over the top and the over sixties are talking a lot of sense.If Khan pulls the plug then we might be looking at a Pompey scenario otherwise look forward to a good season in the Championship if it comes to that.
I can tell that you are someone who cares about Fulham and the present situation must be a shock if all you've been used to is the success we've all enjoyed since '97. by the time I was 21 I had seen FFc play in the top division and subsequently freefall through divs 1 and two in successive seasons.
Those of us over sixty have had the 'advantage' of suffering through that and worse (documented by others here).
If you're the kind of supporter I think you are you will ride through this and still be cheering the team in whatever division we are find ourselves because you are passionate and care. Who knows, in 40 years you will look back and recall to your kids the bad times,
We are all hurting, but fans hurt together and cheer together. The most important thing now is getting behind the team whoever is in charge.
Be strong Fulhams_finest FFC will need you when all us old codgers are gone. 049:gif
COYW!
Actually I was taking to a guy in Swindon who supported fulham years ago, and he said when we were in Division 1 we always struggled, similar to the way we have done in the Prem at times
That was Aldershots 'slogan' :0)
Quote from: Berserker on February 05, 2014, 07:01:48 AM
Think of Harry Potter books plus legends, we will be like a Phoenix rising the ashes