I am certainly not being anti American but this being an English board that welcomes all, it does concern me when English contributors spell centre as center and use terms like off season instead of close season or offense instead of offence. I know, I know, it is only words but we will be calling Maurice Maureece or Bernard Bernaard next. Just having a moan, I'll be happier when we get our next win.
Being a colonial, I guess I've been mistaken all these years spelling it persnickety. :005:
You should of written this in a different color
We have an international society that is affecting our language and new words are being introduce informally and officially at a fast rate and it can be hard to discard the words we are familiar with in favour of new words.
However, we must remember that English has evolved over a long time and but for continual change and the introduction of new words we would not have the rich language we have today.
However, I too find the adoption of American spelling a little disturbing and tend to stick stubbornly to the proper English version.
Program is a word that irritates me but am pleased to see Fulham maintain the proper English spelling on the match day programme. All is not lost.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on January 13, 2016, 06:58:03 PM
You should of written this in a different color
What would you suggest, tomaato red?
I hate it when people say "you should of done this"
rather than "you should have done this."
Use of new or slang English is fine if it improves meaning but that is just so stoopid
Do the math
Not having a pound sign on my keyboard when sending an email or letter to the UK.
But, it is a US keyboard that I'm using in the US so for now I'll have to write
25 pounds (which could be dosh or weight)
It is annoying when the spellcheck flags up the correct English spelling rather than the US one. British English should be the default spelling for this board.
I'd suggest taking a look at 'Made in America: An Informal History of the English Language in the United States' by Bill Bryson before deciding which side of the water is using the original English (ex-French, of course) -or/-our endings.
Shakespeare, as originally published, used both fairly indiscriminately.
spelling shouldn't be a problem; it helps identify the country of origin in any case
Quote from: Peabody on January 13, 2016, 06:42:02 PM
I am certainly not being anti American but this being an English board that welcomes all, it does concern me when English contributors spell centre as center and use terms like off season instead of close season or offense instead of offence. I know, I know, it is only words but we will be calling Maurice Maureece or Bernard Bernaard next. Just having a moan, I'll be happier when we get our next win.
Perhaps you should analy
ze this Mr P. It's just 'bad sport' in my opinion... how dare they, we invented the language after all :005:
i love a good pedant type debate so here is my outlook.
this is an english MB commenting on an english game featuring the world's greatest football (not soccer) club called fulham. it would seem entirely reasonable and polite that the venacular used as common paralnce here was actually english, not the US variant. I am not sure why the american's have to change the language for this at all, it was totally unnecesary because football has its own international vernacular.
I wouldn't go to a baseball game and call the bat a stick of the absurd headwear a hat or call the field a pitch. so why change the currency of the game from proper english to a less good alternative.
That is my opinion but i woudn't fall out over it, but i do feel it strange the american's can't cope with the real words spelt properly.
does correct spelling include capitalization?
I have already mentioned Maureece and Bernaard, what is that all about?
I don´t think it matters. We all talk the way we have learnt throughout our life. That depends on where we live and how we learnt the language. I don´t think it matters how things are spelt or said. Especially these days with the internet and all different sports expanding all over the world and sporting terms being mixed and matched.
I think it's very sad if the English spelling is lost-as a result of the internet, and everything becoming the same.
Once it's lost it will never return, along with other distinctive aspects of our language and culture.
Quote from: nose on January 13, 2016, 08:49:32 PM
i love a good pedant type debate so here is my outlook.
this is an english MB commenting on an english game featuring the world's greatest football (not soccer) club called fulham. it would seem entirely reasonable and polite that the venacular used as common paralnce here was actually english, not the US variant. I am not sure why the american's have to change the language for this at all, it was totally unnecesary because football has its own international vernacular.
I wouldn't go to a baseball game and call the bat a stick of the absurd headwear a hat or call the field a pitch. so why change the currency of the game from proper english to a less good alternative.
That is my opinion but i woudn't fall out over it, but i do feel it strange the american's can't cope with the real words spelt properly.
As previously mentioned the
z instead of an
s irrites me.... adopt our language and then desicrate it why don't you? And (apologies for starting a sentence with and) unfortunately, 'americanisms are creeping in to our daily language'.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on January 13, 2016, 07:53:20 PM
Not having a pound sign on my keyboard when sending an email or letter to the UK.
But, it is a US keyboard that I'm using in the US so for now I'll have to write
25 pounds (which could be dosh or weight)
Try ponds sterling and Kg.
Quote from: filham on January 13, 2016, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on January 13, 2016, 07:53:20 PM
Not having a pound sign on my keyboard when sending an email or letter to the UK.
But, it is a US keyboard that I'm using in the US so for now I'll have to write
25 pounds (which could be dosh or weight)
Try ponds sterling and Kg.
Sorry typing error should have been pounds sterling and Kg.
Quote from: Barrett487 on January 13, 2016, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: nose on January 13, 2016, 08:49:32 PM
i love a good pedant type debate so here is my outlook.
this is an english MB commenting on an english game featuring the world's greatest football (not soccer) club called fulham. it would seem entirely reasonable and polite that the venacular used as common paralnce here was actually english, not the US variant. I am not sure why the american's have to change the language for this at all, it was totally unnecesary because football has its own international vernacular.
I wouldn't go to a baseball game and call the bat a stick of the absurd headwear a hat or call the field a pitch. so why change the currency of the game from proper english to a less good alternative.
That is my opinion but i woudn't fall out over it, but i do feel it strange the american's can't cope with the real words spelt properly.
As previously mentioned the z instead of an s irrites me.... adopt our language and then desicrate it why don't you? And (apologies for starting a sentence with and) unfortunately, 'americanisms are creeping in to our daily language'.
As long as we are all venting out pet language peeves: one of mine is the failure to capitalize Americanisms and the like. That, and calling a cerveza and ale and the baño a loo.......ah.....never mind.
Quote from: Peabody on January 13, 2016, 06:42:02 PM
I am certainly not being anti American but this being an English board that welcomes all, it does concern me when English contributors spell centre as center and use terms like off season instead of close season or offense instead of offence. I know, I know, it is only words but we will be calling Maurice Maureece or Bernard Bernaard next. Just having a moan, I'll be happier when we get our next win.
Given much of the spelling and grammar on this board, a couple of Americanisms don't worry me unduly. At least it is recognisable as English, albeit the American variety.
Quote from: Blanco on January 13, 2016, 09:02:22 PM
I don´t think it matters. We all talk the way we have learnt throughout our life. That depends on where we live and how we learnt the language. I don´t think it matters how things are spelt or said. Especially these days with the internet and all different sports expanding all over the world and sporting terms being mixed and matched.
This
Whilst the subject has been brought up, I have to admit when I read the word 'roster' instead of squad it makes my blood boil! Silly but there we go :D
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 13, 2016, 10:12:16 PM
Whilst the subject has been brought up, I have to admit when I read the word 'roster' instead of squad it makes my blood boil! Silly but there we go :D
I don't find that as annoying as the ubiquitous 'should of' (and all its variations) which is actually meaningless.
Quote from: YankeeJim on January 13, 2016, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on January 13, 2016, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: nose on January 13, 2016, 08:49:32 PM
i love a good pedant type debate so here is my outlook.
this is an english MB commenting on an english game featuring the world's greatest football (not soccer) club called fulham. it would seem entirely reasonable and polite that the venacular used as common paralnce here was actually english, not the US variant. I am not sure why the american's have to change the language for this at all, it was totally unnecesary because football has its own international vernacular.
I wouldn't go to a baseball game and call the bat a stick of the absurd headwear a hat or call the field a pitch. so why change the currency of the game from proper english to a less good alternative.
That is my opinion but i woudn't fall out over it, but i do feel it strange the american's can't cope with the real words spelt properly.
As previously mentioned the z instead of an s irrites me.... adopt our language and then desicrate it why don't you? And (apologies for starting a sentence with and) unfortunately, 'americanisms are creeping in to our daily language'.
As long as we are all venting out pet language peeves: one of mine is the failure to capitalize Americanisms and the like. That, and calling a cerveza and ale and the baño a loo.......ah.....never mind.
Yes but missing the capital off American was an error, what's you excuse for zedding everything? You aren't answerable for the mutation of the English language and should feel no guilt, because you are educated to believe that you are correct. I, however will fall on my sword because of a capital.
Btw... didn't follow your second sentence at all..... is it me, lol
As Fulham fans we should be proud that fans from overseas are fans and able to communicate their opinion. If they do not use the correct words or use the correct punctuation or stand on one leg whistling Dixie. We really must learn not to be bothered. The World is a smaller place and we need to be able to stop looking down because some of us don't write proper or use different colloquialisms.
There, that was fun wasn't it? A it of non Fulham related stuff to take our minds of the next game.
We've been here before. I 'm on the fence till my flight leaves Tampa Friday evening.
Quote from: Peabody on January 13, 2016, 11:12:51 PM
There, that was fun wasn't it? A it of non Fulham related stuff to take our minds of the next game.
Love ya, bro!
Quote from: Tonywa on January 13, 2016, 10:28:26 PM
I don't find that as annoying as the ubiquitous 'should of' (and all its variations) which is actually meaningless.
That's just poor grammar / spelling. Not even Americans condone that particular error.
Why do some take life so seriously?
This is an internet forum, accessible world wide, not everyone using it should have to conform to what we consider to be proper English.
I once had a discussion with an American over their tendency to invent verbs by adding 'ize' to nouns. This came about as they insisted that a burglar 'burglarizes' whereas I tried to explain that it's because he burgles, but they would have none of it and thought burgles was a very 'funny' word. I tried to explain that using their logic someone who 'burglarizes' would surely be called a 'burglarizer' - ad infinitum, but that went way over their head!
There are other examples of this insidious trend that seem to be creeping into our language, particularly in 'business speak'
Sorry, this was meant to be a bit of harmless banter. Whatever happened to humour? However, as per usual, I seem to have upset a few by daring to lighten the mood. I shall just go into a corner and sing happy birthday myself.
I don't think that picking holes in other people is particularly funny but that's just my opinion ( That's a personal opinion by the way and I have not got my Mod hat on with this comment)
Bur everybody's entitled to their opinion and I just we hope winning soon
:drums:
Shucks, I'm just gonna have to sit down on my fanny and think about what you Brits are on about in little old Limey Land.
Toodle Pip.
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Peabody's point was not about everyone having to speak 'correct English, or about Americans using the spelling native to America, but about British people abandoning traditional spelling of English where it's distinctive to this country, and thus our spelling will die out.
If people aren't bothered about this - fair enough, but I think it's a shame, though that's a completely matter to posters using the 'wrong' spelling and grammar here-which I don't people should be criticised for at all, and I don't think Peabody thinks that either.
Couldn't put it better myself Ray.
Do you remember when the word "GAY" used to mean happy
Quote from: clarkey on January 13, 2016, 07:06:29 PM
I hate it when people say "you should of done this"
rather than "you should have done this."
Use of new or slang English is fine if it improves meaning but that is just so stoopid
I prefer to use "should've" as it's less typing.
But also gives you're spellchecker the chance to replace the word with something totally random and change the meaning of the whole comment!
lol
Peabody!!!! Some folks never get the point. 082.gif
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2016, 11:47:40 AM
Do you remember when the word "GAY" used to mean happy
What else does it mean?
Quote from: Barrett487 on January 13, 2016, 10:54:16 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on January 13, 2016, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on January 13, 2016, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: nose on January 13, 2016, 08:49:32 PM
i love a good pedant type debate so here is my outlook.
this is an english MB commenting on an english game featuring the world's greatest football (not soccer) club called fulham. it would seem entirely reasonable and polite that the venacular used as common paralnce here was actually english, not the US variant. I am not sure why the american's have to change the language for this at all, it was totally unnecesary because football has its own international vernacular.
I wouldn't go to a baseball game and call the bat a stick of the absurd headwear a hat or call the field a pitch. so why change the currency of the game from proper english to a less good alternative.
That is my opinion but i woudn't fall out over it, but i do feel it strange the american's can't cope with the real words spelt properly.
As previously mentioned the z instead of an s irrites me.... adopt our language and then desicrate it why don't you? And (apologies for starting a sentence with and) unfortunately, 'americanisms are creeping in to our daily language'.
As long as we are all venting out pet language peeves: one of mine is the failure to capitalize Americanisms and the like. That, and calling a cerveza and ale and the baño a loo.......ah.....never mind.
Yes but missing the capital off American was an error, what's you excuse for zedding everything? You aren't answerable for the mutation of the English language and should feel no guilt, because you are educated to believe that you are correct. I, however will fall on my sword because of a capital.
Btw... didn't follow your second sentence at all..... is it me, lol
Just a poor colonists trying for some humour. (How's that?)
Quote from: Blanco on January 14, 2016, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2016, 11:47:40 AM
Do you remember when the word "GAY" used to mean happy
What else does it mean?
I will leave that for you to work out yourself
I have to admit to being a bit of a linguistic pedant - sorry, I can't help it. I do, however, expect Americans to use their spelling variants but, conversely, English people to use the English ones. I suspect that the default spell-checker on this board is American so that those who are not sure, or who spell-check regularly, assume that the American version is "correct" and adopt it, assuming that they'd been wrong all along. I took this up with one of the mods once who habitually uses the American spellings himself, to no avail. I agree with Ray that our culture is at risk of being eroded by that very influential country over the water.
Having said that, in some ways the American spellings, odd as they may look, are actually truer English than the French-derived ones; e.g. center and meter - because they're more in line with German, which is the sister language (sorry - tongue or speech) to English. Zs, also, were the norm a century or so ago and are more Germanic than Romance.
"Pavement" is French-derived; "side-walk" is truer English and there are other examples that I can't bring to mind now. That said, the converse applies: "lift" is English, "elevator" is French. The German for lift is lift and I find it bizarre when in a German-speaking country to be directed to the "elevator". "Nein, wir sagen auch "lift"! It always amuses me that the Finnish for lift is "hissi" - obviously onomatopoeic like the doors on Star Trek.
I've noticed that the poster with perhaps the best English grammar of all on this board is ViennaFulham. Obviously knowing a demanding language like German helps in getting the nuances of a simpler foreign tongue correct.
ha! I started a topic about our center backs and thought about using centre. I am american so I used center... :dft011:
Lucky there isn't any aluminium used. Then there really would be trouble.
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And then there's always:
This is what the English population,
Calls an elementary education.
Hear them down in Soho Square,
Dropping "H's" everywhere,
Speaking any way they like.
You sir, did you go to school?
Bystander: Whatta tyke me for, a fool?
Harrison: No one taught him "take" instead of "tyke".
Hear a Yorkshireman, or worse,
Hear a Cornishman converse.
I'd rather hear a choir singing flat.
Just like this one.
(Garn!)
I ask you sir, what sort of word is that?
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak.
This verbal class distinction by now should be antique.
If you spoke sir, instead of the way you do,
Why you might be selling flowers too.
An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him.
The moment he talks he makes some other Englishman despise him.
One common language I'm afraid we'll never get.
Oh why can't the English learn to set
a good example to people who's English is painful to your ears?
The Scotch and the Irish leave you close to tears.
There are even places where English completely disappears.
Well, in America they haven't used it for years.
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
Norwegians learn Norwegian, the Greeks are taught their Greek.
In France every Frenchman knows his language from A to Zed.
The French don't care what they do, actually, as long as they pronounce properly.
Arabians learn Arabian with the speed of summer lightning,
And Hebrews learn it backward which is absolutely frightening.
If you use proper English you're regarded as a freak.
Oh why can't the English,
why can't the English learn to speak!
you may well arsk
Did you come here to die my son
Ner I come ere yesterdie.
Ok I give up. I can't find the King's English anywhere in my language settings. So I'll just have to settle for the guttural English option. It's either that or Chinese
:dft011:
I'm American but grew up in the UK and I no longer have any idea which spelling is British and which is American. I shall do as I please! :P
Quote from: HatterDon on January 14, 2016, 11:36:43 PM
And then there's always:
This is what the English population,
Calls an elementary education.
Hear them down in Soho Square,
Dropping "H's" everywhere,
Speaking any way they like.
You sir, did you go to school?
Bystander: Whatta tyke me for, a fool?
Harrison: No one taught him "take" instead of "tyke".
Hear a Yorkshireman, or worse,
Hear a Cornishman converse.
I'd rather hear a choir singing flat.
Just like this one.
(Garn!)
I ask you sir, what sort of word is that?
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak.
This verbal class distinction by now should be antique.
If you spoke sir, instead of the way you do,
Why you might be selling flowers too.
An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him.
The moment he talks he makes some other Englishman despise him.
One common language I'm afraid we'll never get.
Oh why can't the English learn to set
a good example to people who's English is painful to your ears?
The Scotch and the Irish leave you close to tears.
There are even places where English completely disappears.
Well, in America they haven't used it for years.
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
Norwegians learn Norwegian, the Greeks are taught their Greek.
In France every Frenchman knows his language from A to Zed.
The French don't care what they do, actually, as long as they pronounce properly.
Arabians learn Arabian with the speed of summer lightning,
And Hebrews learn it backward which is absolutely frightening.
If you use proper English you're regarded as a freak.
Oh why can't the English,
why can't the English learn to speak!
you may well arsk
Ah my Fair lady, very good Hatter.
Cor blimey HD, you tellin us that we don't talk proper? Next you'll be tellin us that it's Soccer an not Football.
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 13, 2016, 10:12:16 PM
Whilst the subject has been brought up, I have to admit when I read the word 'roster' instead of squad it makes my blood boil! Silly but there we go :D
quite agree. A Roster is and always will be a male chicken.
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on January 14, 2016, 10:41:03 PM
Lucky there isn't any aluminium used. Then there really would be trouble.
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Talk about starting a spelling battle royal. Or is it royale? :dft011:
Quote from: Vinnieffc on January 15, 2016, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 13, 2016, 10:12:16 PM
Whilst the subject has been brought up, I have to admit when I read the word 'roster' instead of squad it makes my blood boil! Silly but there we go :D
quite agree. A Roster is and always will be a male chicken.
what is a rooster then??
Quote from: filham on January 13, 2016, 07:02:04 PM
We have an international society that is affecting our language and new words are being introduce informally and officially at a fast rate and it can be hard to discard the words we are familiar with in favour of new words.
However, we must remember that English has evolved over a long time and but for continual change and the introduction of new words we would not have the rich language we have today.
However, I too find the adoption of American spelling a little disturbing and tend to stick stubbornly to the proper English version.
Program is a word that irritates me but am pleased to see Fulham maintain the proper English spelling on the match day programme. All is not lost.
Could not agree more.........unfortunately there are too many Brits that use the "of verb" (as in "I would of...") and that really gets my back up!!!
Quote from: Peabody on January 15, 2016, 11:07:23 AM
Cor blimey HD, you tellin us that we don't talk proper? Next you'll be tellin us that it's Soccer an not Football.
Ah...well I have posted this before. Rugger is English for "Rugby Football" and Soccer is English for "Association Football".
Quote from: Funky Fulham Dave on January 14, 2016, 10:34:28 AM
:drums:
Shucks, I'm just gonna have to sit down on my fanny and think about what you Brits are on about in little old Limey Land.
Toodle Pip.
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Is that fanny as in English speak or American speak?........it was explained to me once but I shall not go into it here.
I know one thing, the original poster, I would hate to be married to him.