Slagging players off, blaming the manager. Terrible overreaction.
It's half time and we're 0- 1 down.
I think the tie is still very evenly balanced. The bookies offering 8/13 on FFC & 4/1 Derby for Monday night.
:plus one:
Of course we are all disappointed but there are some cretins on here who can only bitch when things don't go their way.
I can't imagine what some of these people are like in a real crisis!
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on May 11, 2018, 10:04:12 PM
Of course we are all disappointed but there are some cretins on here who can only bitch when things don't go their way.
I can't imagine what some of these people are like in a real crisis!
Getting personal again mate haha.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on May 11, 2018, 10:04:12 PM
Of course we are all disappointed but there are some cretins on here who can only bitch when things don't go their way.
I can't imagine what some of these people are like in a real crisis!
I'm in a real crisis now,I'm locked in the shed..Help
I don't think there is much outright negativity.
Most of them are looking for solutions and answers.
Think of it that we are positive that we have a good bench to replace a certain player.
Also, we are interested in those short corners and positive that the coach can do something about it :)
It was bad enough last weekend- it is going to be worse this weekend. I think I won't bother looking it makes me so sad
Apart from their 1 goal they had no other shots on target. They were the home side. We had 13 shots with 2 on target plus K Mac hitting the bar. I think we did well enough to give us a great chance on Monday. The tie is still in our own hands.
Half time 1-0 down all to play for its our job to get the Cottage rocking coyw
Quote from: ..FOF.. on May 11, 2018, 10:06:31 PM
I don't think there is much outright negativity.
Most of them are looking for solutions and answers.
Think of it that we are positive that we have a good bench to replace a certain player.
Also, we are interested in those short corners and positive that the coach can do something about it :)
Agree. Think it's very easy for the above posters to accuse other posters of slagging off the players and being negative but that's very short sighted. The majority of posts are trying to offer up solutions to the very clear problems we have.
The problems have been going on for long before the last 2 games. Will someone tell me when we had the last decent first half?
I think we've been second best in the first half for each of the last 5-6 games (including reading even though we were 1-0 up). Problem.
We must start on the front foot on monday, there is no way we can be second beat again in the first half on a Monday and hope To go through
Quote from: grandad on May 11, 2018, 10:09:51 PM
Apart from their 1 goal they had no other shots on target. They were the home side. We had 13 shots with 2 on target plus K Mac hitting the bar. I think we did well enough to give us a great chance on Monday. The tie is still in our own hands.
We are still in it very much so but we just need to have a plan against teams who defend like this. We can't rely on luck giving us an opportunity. Who knows, maybe take more long shots? That's the only time we nearly scored
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on May 11, 2018, 10:04:12 PM
Of course we are all disappointed but there are some cretins on here who can only bitch when things don't go their way.
I can't imagine what some of these people are like in a real crisis!
Crisis? What Crisis?
We played negative in the first half, we were beaten tactically, we improved second half but could not get back on even terms, but at least we took every corner as a short one, that was a tactic that they (or anyone) didn't see coming.
Crisis? Nah, that will only happen if we maintain the same negativity on Monday and fail to change our tactics.
Slav, i trust him, i don't maintain that same level of trust in some of the players unfortunately, i'm sorry to say.
An early goal for Fulham on Monday will work wonders. But the longer the game wears on without scoring the more frustration and they will defend like Tigers.
Also how much of tonight's duel has it taken out of Derby, they are older, it's a short recovery time, tonight's match may have taken its toll on Derby, and after all it's a narrow lead.
But they still have the upper hand but only just.
Quote from: KJS on May 11, 2018, 10:10:26 PM
Half time 1-0 down all to play for its our job to get the Cottage rocking coyw
Lets hope that that was our bad half.
I wish all those who are slagging off the team and/or the manager would just wait until after Monday. We are 1-0 down with the home leg to play. It may not be ideal but it is far from disastrous. Derby played very well, especially in the first half. Whether they can play that well again may be questionable.
If we go down on Monday and don't show some real hunger and desire then people can have a go. This isn't the time.
There are certainly one or two who look tired. If they are then the manager can bring in some new faces. The bench is far stronger than in recent years. Time for Fonte and Christie to shine.
i think you put that down as one of those nights , if macdonald's shot goes in we would have run them over . We weren't great but neither were derby . their tactic was to get the ball forward quickly when we lost it . we have to score early in the second leg to get them to come out. i can't believe they will get away with 90 mins at the cottage of last ditch defending . for some to say we aren't good enough after going half a season unbeaten is a little harsh . are these people saying that derby are a better team ? the league table doesn't lie , just need to brave on monday night .
Quote from: Statto on May 11, 2018, 10:34:36 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on May 11, 2018, 10:32:05 PM
Time for Fonte... to shine.
If Fonte comes on we may as well leave
Well he can't do any worse........can he??
I posted a few negative posts. I am constructive in my thoughts. One might argue we took one chance and should have taken many more. One might argue short corners 100% of the time are ineffective. One might argue we didn't turn up tonight. These are valid arguments. Don't complain, I'm not. Final judgment shouldn't be made until Monday. On the night, these are valid posts.
It just makes me amazed that all the many posters who used to slag us negative or realistic posters off are now the ones crying at a close 1-0 first leg defeat. Have they not watched us play football before under the present coach? We approached the game as we do most first half of most matches. Our build up play in the final third is slow and then in the second half of matches we try and step it up.
I know we have not hit great form over the last two matches. But hitting the bar and missing the best chance in the game by Ayite against a team who has hit form at the right time is not quite the disaster some are making out. In future I suggest the positive fans should start to think realistically and realise the tie isn't over. Plenty of time to attack the club and coach after the next game.
We had no pressure for 23 games. Last 2 games, with pressure, have come hopeless performances.
What is the point in that run, if we aren't going to go up. The negativity is justified.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on May 11, 2018, 11:57:56 PM
We had no pressure for 23 games. Last 2 games, with pressure, have come hopeless performances.
What is the point in that run, if we aren't going to go up. The negativity is justified.
bullpoo we lost 1_0 away and your giving up on a team that has the best record in our history
You and the other negative posters on here are just a bunch of wonkers who never achieved a thing in there own personal lives
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on May 11, 2018, 11:57:56 PM
We had no pressure for 23 games. Last 2 games, with pressure, have come hopeless performances.
What is the point in that run, if we aren't going to go up. The negativity is justified.
Ridiculous post.
The point of that run is that it got us into the play offs, and very nearly automatically promoted.
There was also plenty of pressure in that 23 match run. We had a run of 6 games where we were playing all our promotion rivals and we came out on top in all of them. If we'd lost any of those matches, we'd have struggled to keep up with Cardiff, but we won them and were consequently in with a shout right to the very end as a result.
Blimey genitalmen, do I detect an air of hostility. We are after all supporting the same team.
Feelings are always high after a disappointing defeat, but attacking other Fulham supporters whose opinions differ from our own, and i have been guilty myself in the distant past.
But this will not change the course of events. Only the team can make us all happy at the same time, and Monday is as good a time as any.
Goodnight and Thank you.
Come on. Calling the performance tonight hopeless is just frustration talking. We were far from hopeless. I can happily agree our football was ponderous at times. No real change there. Our movement once we reached the final third was condensed and allowed no room to create much. But hopeless it wasn't.
Had we won one nil I for one would still be as nervous for the second leg. No doubt others would be saying how wonderful we are. Point is the debate is like complaining after the first half of any football match. Yes let's have a moan if you want to. But wild attacks on players and fellow fans after a one nil half time defeat where we hit the bar and missed a sitter makes for dull and pointless reading.
Quote from: Ged on May 12, 2018, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on May 11, 2018, 11:57:56 PM
We had no pressure for 23 games. Last 2 games, with pressure, have come hopeless performances.
What is the point in that run, if we aren't going to go up. The negativity is justified.
bullpoo we lost 1_0 away and your giving up on a team that has the best record in our history
You and the other negative posters on here are just a bunch of wonkers who never achieved a thing in there own personal lives
Ged I think people are just frustrated.
Also, what's great about football is that it doesn't matter what your background is .. we all get annoyed when we get knocked out the playoffs after coming so close! So let's stick together, eh!
Great to see a lot of new/returning posters these past few weeks by the way. Hope everyone sticks around! We aren't always this stressed and angsty.. promise!
I believe that there's a large contingent on here who want us to fail so that they can -- in their own minds -- prove that they were right all along: that the players aren't interested, that the coach is crap, that Khan wants us to fail so that he can turn CC into a fish-and-chips shop. They've been holding their breath for 23 straight matches, and they're having the time of their lives now.
Just have to stop posting in the message board for a couple hours, lads.
All things considered, everyone played well to me. Wisdom has Sess' number. He and Ayite should have switched sides more than just once in the match to mix things up. Good to see TC take shots, need him to be much more selfish as each shot was quality. Davies shows that he is again an outstanding CB, and proved it by facing "behind" MItro.
Their goal was a mismatch on the backpost, simple enough. Targett's frame compared to Jerome - no match.
I think as long as we don't try to walk the ball into the goal every possession, we will be in much better position. More chances on goal to create chaos in front of it - will definitely secure the win we need. Derby were pretty poor going forward, and I think they know it. Huddlestone is the best player on the team, so we need to put pressure on him asap.
Excited for Monday!
We've lost two in a row, about to lose three,,all they had to do was look at the Birmingham game,,we have no plan B, not negative just a fact,,,dream on.
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 12, 2018, 12:27:08 AM
Come on. Calling the performance tonight hopeless is just frustration talking. We were far from hopeless. I can happily agree our football was ponderous at times. No real change there. Our movement once we reached the final third was condensed and allowed no room to create much. But hopeless it wasn't.
Had we won one nil I for one would still be as nervous for the second leg. No doubt others would be saying how wonderful we are. Point is the debate is like complaining after the first half of any football match. Yes let's have a moan if you want to. But wild attacks on players and fellow fans after a one nil half time defeat where we hit the bar and missed a sitter makes for dull and pointless reading.
Very, very well said
Quote from: gezkc on May 12, 2018, 12:15:51 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on May 11, 2018, 11:57:56 PM
We had no pressure for 23 games. Last 2 games, with pressure, have come hopeless performances.
What is the point in that run, if we aren't going to go up. The negativity is justified.
Ridiculous post.
The point of that run is that it got us into the play offs, and very nearly automatically promoted.
There was also plenty of pressure in that 23 match run. We had a run of 6 games where we were playing all our promotion rivals and we came out on top in all of them. If we'd lost any of those matches, we'd have struggled to keep up with Cardiff, but we won them and were consequently in with a shout right to the very end as a result.
Nearly. You say nearly. Meaning we failed.
No one expected us to win the games we won during that run, hence no pressure. There was expectation at Birmingham and Derby, and we bottled it.
Quote from: Ged on May 12, 2018, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on May 11, 2018, 11:57:56 PM
We had no pressure for 23 games. Last 2 games, with pressure, have come hopeless performances.
What is the point in that run, if we aren't going to go up. The negativity is justified.
bullpoo we lost 1_0 away and your giving up on a team that has the best record in our history
You and the other negative posters on here are just a bunch of wonkers who never achieved a thing in there own personal lives
I don't like failure. If this team doesn't go up, then they are in the same bracket as Symons 2014.
Not sure what would've constituted a good result last night. Had we won I'd probably have been as concerned due to the risk of complacency.
It'll be interesting to see how the other semi-final plays out.
The personal attacks on so-called negative posters are out of order. At the root of it is the fear that this team will be dismantled, should promotion elude us. Sessegnon, Cairney, Fredericks will go. Though this should generate a substantial transfer fund, the team will need to be re-built and that will take time. Maybe we will also have to find a new manager. The parachute payments will be finished. There is also the frustration that we could lose out to a team which finished 13 points behind us. So, another year and probably more in the Championship is a dispiriting prospect. In the medium term - maybe three years - if the money is well-spent, prospects will be that much better.
On the other hand, we could easily stick it to Derby on Monday and have a Wembley final to look forward to.
Let's all be ecstatic that we lost the first leg and Derby, the form team, now come to CC on Monday with the advantage. Fantastic, great, over the moon.......
Because, don't forget, it isn't the team with the most goals that is promoted its the team who have the most possession and a run of 23 unbeaten games ... Oh Wait!?
People are entitled to be frustrated after the last two performances. Everyone's entitled to an opinion and no one opinion is greater than another - Let them vent!
Quote from: SP on May 12, 2018, 07:49:23 AM
Not sure what would've constituted a good result last night. Had we won I'd probably have been as concerned due to the risk of complacency.
It'll be interesting to see how the other semi-final plays out.
Would Bruce take a 1 Nil defeat if offered it now ? I think he would, when Derby scored last night I feared the worst, if at that point I had been offered a 1 Nil defeat I would have taken it, this isn't all over yet by a long chalk.
Quote from: HatterDon on May 12, 2018, 12:50:54 AM
I believe that there's a large contingent on here who want us to fail so that they can -- in their own minds -- prove that they were right all along: that the players aren't interested, that the coach is crap, that Khan wants us to fail so that he can turn CC into a fish-and-chips shop. They've been holding their breath for 23 straight matches, and they're having the time of their lives now.
I hope that's all toungue in cheek hatter. Coz it's far from true.
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 11, 2018, 11:46:09 PM
It just makes me amazed that all the many posters who used to slag us negative or realistic posters off are now the ones crying at a close 1-0 first leg defeat. Have they not watched us play football before under the present coach? We approached the game as we do most first half of most matches. Our build up play in the final third is slow and then in the second half of matches we try and step it up.
I know we have not hit great form over the last two matches. But hitting the bar and missing the best chance in the game by Ayite against a team who has hit form at the right time is not quite the disaster some are making out. In future I suggest the positive fans should start to think realistically and realise the tie isn't over. Plenty of time to attack the club and coach after the next game.
With you all the way, except there won't be too much time for attacking the club and coach with Wembley tickets to buy....
Quote from: HatterDon on May 12, 2018, 12:50:54 AM
I believe that there's a large contingent on here who want us to fail so that they can -- in their own minds -- prove that they were right all along: that the players aren't interested, that the coach is crap, that Khan wants us to fail so that he can turn CC into a fish-and-chips shop. They've been holding their breath for 23 straight matches, and they're having the time of their lives now.
That is the most ridiculous post I've read for a long time.
We all want fulham to succeed, to say otherwise is really ludicrous
Quote from: Matt10 on May 12, 2018, 03:19:26 AM
Just have to stop posting in the message board for a couple hours, lads.
All things considered, everyone played well to me. Wisdom has Sess' number. He and Ayite should have switched sides more than just once in the match to mix things up. Good to see TC take shots, need him to be much more selfish as each shot was quality. Davies shows that he is again an outstanding CB, and proved it by facing "behind" MItro.
Their goal was a mismatch on the backpost, simple enough. Targett's frame compared to Jerome - no match.
I think as long as we don't try to walk the ball into the goal every possession, we will be in much better position. More chances on goal to create chaos in front of it - will definitely secure the win we need. Derby were pretty poor going forward, and I think they know it. Huddlestone is the best player on the team, so we need to put pressure on him asap.
Excited for Monday!
Great post people seem to have missed. How do we nullify Huddlestone's cross field balls?
Quote from: Milo on May 12, 2018, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 12, 2018, 03:19:26 AM
Just have to stop posting in the message board for a couple hours, lads.
All things considered, everyone played well to me. Wisdom has Sess' number. He and Ayite should have switched sides more than just once in the match to mix things up. Good to see TC take shots, need him to be much more selfish as each shot was quality. Davies shows that he is again an outstanding CB, and proved it by facing "behind" MItro.
Their goal was a mismatch on the backpost, simple enough. Targett's frame compared to Jerome - no match.
I think as long as we don't try to walk the ball into the goal every possession, we will be in much better position. More chances on goal to create chaos in front of it - will definitely secure the win we need. Derby were pretty poor going forward, and I think they know it. Huddlestone is the best player on the team, so we need to put pressure on him asap.
Excited for Monday!
Great post people seem to have missed. How do we nullify Huddlestone's cross field balls?
Early in the year we prevented him from sending in those passes by dropping Fonte backwards, and he would sprint around putting pressure on Huddlestone. I'm not sure where StefJo was though, may have to rewatch it, but he is who I thought would've been the high pressure on Huddlestone.
They scored a very good goal. We had overwhelming possession but no incisiveness in the final third. They did a very good job of containing us. Slav will have seen that and prepared a response for tomorrow.
No reason to be downhearted - yet.
Quote from: HV71 on May 11, 2018, 10:08:35 PM
It was bad enough last weekend- it is going to be worse this weekend. I think I won't bother looking it makes me so sad
Spoken like a true supporter.
Quote from: gezkc on May 12, 2018, 12:15:51 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on May 11, 2018, 11:57:56 PM
We had no pressure for 23 games. Last 2 games, with pressure, have come hopeless performances.
What is the point in that run, if we aren't going to go up. The negativity is justified.
Ridiculous post.
The point of that run is that it got us into the play offs, and very nearly automatically promoted.
There was also plenty of pressure in that 23 match run. We had a run of 6 games where we were playing all our promotion rivals and we came out on top in all of them. If we'd lost any of those matches, we'd have struggled to keep up with Cardiff, but we won them and were consequently in with a shout right to the very end as a result.
Spot on. I am so sick of the negative, moaners on here after the last performance that, for the first time ever, I find it hard to come onto the board.
Derby were at home...it was down to them to attack us.
They didn't they played on the break and had everyone behind the ball trying to counter.
Betts, on the admission of the Derby fans, spent more time nearer the half way line than their forwards.
When it came to our normally ideal situations the whole 18 yard area was crowded and despite nearly getting through a couple of times they effectively smothered us.
The ponderous build up is designed to draw them out and create room but they were well disciplined.
We need the unexpected, taking on defenders, getting in behind, the odd long shot.
The break against Millwall was more like it, 3 passes from our box to their goal, but they must be drawn out to leave the room. This won't happen on Monday as they will park the bus to defend their one goal lead.
We need to pound them from the first minute, easier said than done I grant you but in Slav I trust.
Looking forward to a Juventus atmosphere tomorrow evening.
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Quote from: ex-Pat on May 12, 2018, 04:51:26 AM
We've lost two in a row, about to lose three,,all they had to do was look at the Birmingham game,,we have no plan B, not negative just a fact,,,dream on.
About to lose 3 in a row? If you are so sure I trust you've bet your house on it!