Not sure who they are or how we are going to get them but we only need players whose CV says they are proven Prem players and fairly recently ...
List to begin with, please add accordingly :-
Jermain Defoe - Bournemouth
Victor Moses - Chelsea
Cahill - Chelsea
Drinkwater - Chelsea
Hudson Odoi - Chelsea (allow me 1)
Jagielka - EVerton
Okazaki - Leicester
King - Leicester
Clyne - Liverpool
Mangala - Man City
Valancia - Man Utd
admittedly not many midfielders there help me out
Bang on. What DON'T need is more imports who have never played in the English game. The mind boggles as to what we could have got for the almost 50 mil Anguissa and Seri cost.
The owners will not buy those players, it is to obvious a selection of them would help. What we will get is a few more lightweight unknown midfielders, rather too late in january. Unfortunately TK is way out of hiis depth and it is such a shame he doesn't havve rhe experience tovrealise we need to change. He has cost us a brilliant manager a d will cost us our place in the prem.
Definitely bang on, because the rules in the Premier League are different from the foreign leagues :doh:
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on December 08, 2018, 05:59:20 PM
Bang on. What DON'T need is more imports who have never played in the English game. The mind boggles as to what we could have got for the almost 50 mil Anguissa and Seri cost.
+1. It's a disgrace how much we paid for Seri and Anguissa, both overvalued under-performers.
Quote from: howitis on December 08, 2018, 05:45:53 PM
Not sure who they are or how we are going to get them but we only need players whose CV says they are proven Prem players and fairly recently ...
List to begin with, please add accordingly :-
Jermain Defoe - Bournemouth
Victor Moses - Chelsea
Cahill - Chelsea
Drinkwater - Chelsea
Hudson Odoi - Chelsea (allow me 1)
Jagielka - EVerton
Okazaki - Leicester
King - Leicester
Clyne - Liverpool
Mangala - Man City
Valancia - Man Utd
admittedly not many midfielders there help me out
They will do for a start!!
Quote from: howitis on December 08, 2018, 05:45:53 PM
Not sure who they are or how we are going to get them but we only need players whose CV says they are proven Prem players and fairly recently ...
List to begin with, please add accordingly :-
Jermain Defoe - Bournemouth
Victor Moses - Chelsea
Cahill - Chelsea
Drinkwater - Chelsea
Hudson Odoi - Chelsea (allow me 1)
Jagielka - EVerton
Okazaki - Leicester
King - Leicester
Clyne - Liverpool
Mangala - Man City
Valancia - Man Utd
admittedly not many midfielders there help me out
YES, Defoe saved Sunderland the season Newcastle went down. I'd take Cahill, Phil too, Valencia is a pretty much a starter for Jose, can forget on that one.
Pass on Okazaki, King, Clyne and especially Mangala.
Call me crazy I am a big fan of Steven Davies, I think even at 33 he can add something to this squad that Seri and Zambo never will. Hell, right now, I'd even take Joey Barton or Kevin Nolan out of retirement, at least we'd know we're not going down without a fight.
Fighters, ball winners wih solid premier league experience is what we need. No time will be left to train and acclimatise players from overseas.
And run the risk of missing out on another hangeland? What we actually need is the players that our manager wants, who ever they are and where ever they come from. No more input from Tony and his stupid algorithm
Quote from: nose on December 08, 2018, 06:04:01 PM
The owners will not buy those players, it is to obvious a selection of them would help. What we will get is a few more lightweight unknown midfielders, rather too late in january. Unfortunately TK is way out of hiis depth and it is such a shame he doesn't havve rhe experience tovrealise we need to change. He has cost us a brilliant manager a d will cost us our place in the prem.
Brilliant managers get more than 5 points from 12 games.
To a huge extent, A manager can only be as good as the players he has to choose from.
Have we established yet if Slav picked the players in the summer transfer window, or was it the anaylical team and Tony Khan and he was told to fit them in the squad?
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Quote from: Berserker on December 08, 2018, 08:51:14 PM
Have we established yet if Slav picked the players in the summer transfer window, or was it the anaylical team and Tony Khan and he was told to fit them in the squad?
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We know they were not slava's choice. They said so and he said so, not explicitly, butimplicitly. And we got them to late.
Quote from: nose on December 08, 2018, 08:55:14 PM
Quote from: Berserker on December 08, 2018, 08:51:14 PM
Have we established yet if Slav picked the players in the summer transfer window, or was it the anaylical team and Tony Khan and he was told to fit them in the squad?
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We know they were not slava's choice. They said so and he said so, not explicitly, butimplicitly. And we got them to late.
Can't blame Slav for their performance then, or particularly then. January tranfer window crucial
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No doubt we will end up with one or two lightweights which the manager will not want and probably not play. Tony Kahn and his team should not be let within one hundred miles of recruiting players for a professional football club. He doesn't know what he's doing and one can only feel sorry for the manager being presented with large amounts of dross not suitable for purpose. What a shame that Mr. Kahn senior can't just stick to funding the club rather than using it as a plaything for his son.
Plenty of players that are on other teams, who have never played in the Premier League, yet have done just fine. So this constant narrative of recruitment is boring and happenstance. Valuation of Seri or Zambo is just that, a valuation, and there's no turning back from that just because they have not validated the price tag. You work in a salary position, if you underperform is it your hiring manager's fault or is it your own?
In terms of who we can go after, I'd love to just pick out a player or two from the Championship, but that's not realistic as they're starters for their respective clubs. In terms of the list on the OP, I think Jagielka would be a solid choice. Then a dream RB would be Clyne, but I hesitate with these PL experienced FBs that may or may not act better than the rest of the team; see Fosu-Mensah.
Fosu Mensah not proven - just ask any Palace fan why he is not there this year. No chances at Utd either. We are talking about proven at this level
Quote from: howitis on December 08, 2018, 11:49:41 PM
Fosu Mensah not proven - just ask any Palace fan why he is not there this year. No chances at Utd either. We are talking about proven at this level
Right, which is why I referenced to just see how TFM has been this season. He acts like he's better than everyone else, yet switches off and is complacent.
In other words, I would prefer to not have another version of him.
Quote from: fulhamben on December 08, 2018, 08:05:32 PM
And run the risk of missing out on another hangeland? What we actually need is the players that our manager wants, who ever they are and where ever they come from. No more input from Tony and his stupid algorithm
Spot on
Quote from: howitis on December 08, 2018, 05:45:53 PM
Not sure who they are or how we are going to get them but we only need players whose CV says they are proven Prem players and fairly recently ...
List to begin with, please add accordingly :-
Jermain Defoe - Bournemouth
Victor Moses - Chelsea
Cahill - Chelsea
Drinkwater - Chelsea
Hudson Odoi - Chelsea (allow me 1)
Jagielka - EVerton
Okazaki - Leicester
King - Leicester
Clyne - Liverpool
Mangala - Man City
Valancia - Man Utd
admittedly not many midfielders there help me out
Yes. Please no more French lightweights/dwarfs. Cahill, Clyne, Okazaki, Drinkwater.
While I agree to an extent with this sentiment, I would say be careful what you wish for. When we went for 'Championship experience' in 15/16 we ended up making our squad worse.
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 09, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
While I agree to an extent with this sentiment, I would say be careful what you wish for. When we went for 'Championship experience' in 15/16 we ended up making our squad worse.
Or did we just have a poor manager in Symons?
We signed Ream, Fredericks, Cairney and tried to sign Mcdonald that summer as well. All at cheap prices.
Under a better manager that was turned into the spine of a great team.
With hindsight I think summer 15/16 was our best window under Khan
Budgie Byrne has the eqivalent of Prem experience when we signed him
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2018, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 09, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
While I agree to an extent with this sentiment, I would say be careful what you wish for. When we went for 'Championship experience' in 15/16 we ended up making our squad worse.
Or did we just have a poor manager in Symons?
We signed Ream, Fredericks, Cairney and tried to sign Mcdonald that summer as well. All at cheap prices.
Under a better manager that was turned into the spine of a great team.
With hindsight I think summer 15/16 was our best window under Khan
No it wasn't. The only signing that performed within the first 8 months was Cairney. That is a terrible success rate. Come Jan we were fighting relegation.
Quote from: sunburywhite on December 09, 2018, 04:29:28 PM
Budgie Byrne has the eqivalent of Prem experience when we signed him
His experience was Division One, and he was as fat as butter.
Quote from: @jolslover on December 09, 2018, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2018, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 09, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
While I agree to an extent with this sentiment, I would say be careful what you wish for. When we went for 'Championship experience' in 15/16 we ended up making our squad worse.
Or did we just have a poor manager in Symons?
We signed Ream, Fredericks, Cairney and tried to sign Mcdonald that summer as well. All at cheap prices.
Under a better manager that was turned into the spine of a great team.
With hindsight I think summer 15/16 was our best window under Khan
No it wasn't. The only signing that performed within the first 8 months was Cairney. That is a terrible success rate. Come Jan we were fighting relegation.
So if Ranieri gets Seri and Anguissa playing world class football in a few months time can we still call them crap signings because it was only a new manager and several months' training that got them playing well?
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2018, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on December 09, 2018, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2018, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 09, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
While I agree to an extent with this sentiment, I would say be careful what you wish for. When we went for 'Championship experience' in 15/16 we ended up making our squad worse.
Or did we just have a poor manager in Symons?
We signed Ream, Fredericks, Cairney and tried to sign Mcdonald that summer as well. All at cheap prices.
Under a better manager that was turned into the spine of a great team.
With hindsight I think summer 15/16 was our best window under Khan
No it wasn't. The only signing that performed within the first 8 months was Cairney. That is a terrible success rate. Come Jan we were fighting relegation.
So if Ranieri gets Seri and Anguissa playing world class football in a few months time can we still call them crap signings because it was only a new manager and several months' training that got them playing well?
Ok fair enough point. So we signed 3 good footballers that year, That improved and showed that once they had better players around them. I think a lot of this years signings would also show / will go onto show they are good footballers if they had better players around them. More than 3. Would you say this window was a success then?
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2018, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 09, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
While I agree to an extent with this sentiment, I would say be careful what you wish for. When we went for 'Championship experience' in 15/16 we ended up making our squad worse.
Or did we just have a poor manager in Symons?
We signed Ream, Fredericks, Cairney and tried to sign Mcdonald that summer as well. All at cheap prices.
Under a better manager that was turned into the spine of a great team.
With hindsight I think summer 15/16 was our best window under Khan
I'm sorry, but Lonergan, Pringle, Stearman, Richards, Garbutt, Husband, Ince and Baird were all crap under Symons, and then when Slaviša came in they were still crap and we were very lucky not to get relegated. 16/17 summer was 100% our best summer window under Khan, because we replaced that lot with actual decent players.
Quote from: @jolslover on December 09, 2018, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2018, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on December 09, 2018, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2018, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 09, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
While I agree to an extent with this sentiment, I would say be careful what you wish for. When we went for 'Championship experience' in 15/16 we ended up making our squad worse.
Or did we just have a poor manager in Symons?
We signed Ream, Fredericks, Cairney and tried to sign Mcdonald that summer as well. All at cheap prices.
Under a better manager that was turned into the spine of a great team.
With hindsight I think summer 15/16 was our best window under Khan
No it wasn't. The only signing that performed within the first 8 months was Cairney. That is a terrible success rate. Come Jan we were fighting relegation.
So if Ranieri gets Seri and Anguissa playing world class football in a few months time can we still call them crap signings because it was only a new manager and several months' training that got them playing well?
Ok fair enough point. So we signed 3 good footballers that year, That improved and showed that once they had better players around them. I think a lot of this years signings would also show / will go onto show they are good footballers if they had better players around them. More than 3. Would you say this window was a success then?
Good point, and I would like to bring up Tim Ream as an example. 15/16 he was one of our worst players, genuinely dreadful defender, I remember him getting A LOT of criticism, including being deemed not fit to wear the shirt at Brentford away, similar to Anguissa and Seri at the moment. Fast forward 3 years, and he's a cult hero and was an integral member of our promotion squad. Obviously this doesn't mean it's gospel that the same will happen with our new signings, I just think our fans do like a convenient scapegoat if they can find one.
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 09, 2018, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on December 09, 2018, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2018, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on December 09, 2018, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2018, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 09, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
While I agree to an extent with this sentiment, I would say be careful what you wish for. When we went for 'Championship experience' in 15/16 we ended up making our squad worse.
Or did we just have a poor manager in Symons?
We signed Ream, Fredericks, Cairney and tried to sign Mcdonald that summer as well. All at cheap prices.
Under a better manager that was turned into the spine of a great team.
With hindsight I think summer 15/16 was our best window under Khan
No it wasn't. The only signing that performed within the first 8 months was Cairney. That is a terrible success rate. Come Jan we were fighting relegation.
So if Ranieri gets Seri and Anguissa playing world class football in a few months time can we still call them crap signings because it was only a new manager and several months' training that got them playing well?
Ok fair enough point. So we signed 3 good footballers that year, That improved and showed that once they had better players around them. I think a lot of this years signings would also show / will go onto show they are good footballers if they had better players around them. More than 3. Would you say this window was a success then?
Good point, and I would like to bring up Tim Ream as an example. 15/16 he was one of our worst players, genuinely dreadful defender, I remember him getting A LOT of criticism, including being deemed not fit to wear the shirt at Brentford away, similar to Anguissa and Seri at the moment. Fast forward 3 years, and he's a cult hero and was an integral member of our promotion squad. Obviously this doesn't mean it's gospel that the same will happen with our new signings, I just think our fans do like a convenient scapegoat if they can find one.
Very true.
Could be worth raiding Liverpool for Clyne, Matip and Origi. Drinkwater would be a good signing too.
Clyne would be good, means we can send TFM back and get another prem loan. Maybe RLC
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 09, 2018, 04:32:42 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on December 09, 2018, 04:29:28 PM
Budgie Byrne has the eqivalent of Prem experience when we signed him
His experience was Division One, and he was as fat as butter.
And then WHU really stitched us up by sending us Brian Dear who was a barrel of lard 🐷
Quote from: Jims Dentist on December 09, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 09, 2018, 04:32:42 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on December 09, 2018, 04:29:28 PM
Budgie Byrne has the eqivalent of Prem experience when we signed him
His experience was Division One, and he was as fat as butter.
And then WHU really stitched us up by sending us Brian Dear who was a barrel of lard 🐷
Hmm yes Brian Dear, blimey if I remember correctly he was signed on the same day as Stan Horne from Man City, and Wilf Tranter from Man Utd.
Drinkwater has played 520 minutes (less than 6 full games) of Premier league football since the beginning of last season (no minutes of Premier league football this season). I'd be wary of placing huge reliance and desire to sign him, because for me, there's a chance it will take him a while to get back to how good he was when he was playing regular first team football.
Wouldn't people want to sign somebody in January that's been playing first team football regularly, at a good standard, who can slot in immediately?
Quote from: the nutflush on December 09, 2018, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: howitis on December 08, 2018, 05:45:53 PM
Not sure who they are or how we are going to get them but we only need players whose CV says they are proven Prem players and fairly recently ...
List to begin with, please add accordingly :-
Jermain Defoe - Bournemouth
Victor Moses - Chelsea
Cahill - Chelsea
Drinkwater - Chelsea
Hudson Odoi - Chelsea (allow me 1)
Jagielka - EVerton
Okazaki - Leicester
King - Leicester
Clyne - Liverpool
Mangala - Man City
Valancia - Man Utd
admittedly not many midfielders there help me out
Yes. Please no more French lightweights/dwarfs. Cahill, Clyne, Okazaki, Drinkwater.
N'Golo Kante is 5-feet-6 and 150 lbs (under 70 kgs) and is incredible. Where you're from and what size you are doesn't determine whether you're good enough or care enough to be good in the Premier League. The effort level of some of our key players -- including sacred cows like Cairney -- has been below standard.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 10, 2018, 02:24:21 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 09, 2018, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: howitis on December 08, 2018, 05:45:53 PM
Not sure who they are or how we are going to get them but we only need players whose CV says they are proven Prem players and fairly recently ...
List to begin with, please add accordingly :-
Jermain Defoe - Bournemouth
Victor Moses - Chelsea
Cahill - Chelsea
Drinkwater - Chelsea
Hudson Odoi - Chelsea (allow me 1)
Jagielka - EVerton
Okazaki - Leicester
King - Leicester
Clyne - Liverpool
Mangala - Man City
Valancia - Man Utd
admittedly not many midfielders there help me out
Yes. Please no more French lightweights/dwarfs. Cahill, Clyne, Okazaki, Drinkwater.
N'Golo Kante is 5-feet-6 and 150 lbs (under 70 kgs) and is incredible. Where you're from and what size you are doesn't determine whether you're good enough or care enough to be good in the Premier League. The effort level of some of our key players -- including sacred cows like Cairney -- has been below standard.
Which matches under Ranieri has the effort level from Cairney been below standards?
Quote from: Matt10 on December 10, 2018, 02:51:12 AM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 10, 2018, 02:24:21 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 09, 2018, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: howitis on December 08, 2018, 05:45:53 PM
Not sure who they are or how we are going to get them but we only need players whose CV says they are proven Prem players and fairly recently ...
List to begin with, please add accordingly :-
Jermain Defoe - Bournemouth
Victor Moses - Chelsea
Cahill - Chelsea
Drinkwater - Chelsea
Hudson Odoi - Chelsea (allow me 1)
Jagielka - EVerton
Okazaki - Leicester
King - Leicester
Clyne - Liverpool
Mangala - Man City
Valancia - Man Utd
admittedly not many midfielders there help me out
Yes. Please no more French lightweights/dwarfs. Cahill, Clyne, Okazaki, Drinkwater.
N'Golo Kante is 5-feet-6 and 150 lbs (under 70 kgs) and is incredible. Where you're from and what size you are doesn't determine whether you're good enough or care enough to be good in the Premier League. The effort level of some of our key players -- including sacred cows like Cairney -- has been below standard.
Which matches under Ranieri has the effort level from Cairney been below standards?
Well, he got yanked after 45 ineffective minutes on Saturday after being benched against Leicester, so I suggest Ranieri thinks there are concerns.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 10, 2018, 03:52:25 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 10, 2018, 02:51:12 AM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 10, 2018, 02:24:21 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 09, 2018, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: howitis on December 08, 2018, 05:45:53 PM
Not sure who they are or how we are going to get them but we only need players whose CV says they are proven Prem players and fairly recently ...
List to begin with, please add accordingly :-
Jermain Defoe - Bournemouth
Victor Moses - Chelsea
Cahill - Chelsea
Drinkwater - Chelsea
Hudson Odoi - Chelsea (allow me 1)
Jagielka - EVerton
Okazaki - Leicester
King - Leicester
Clyne - Liverpool
Mangala - Man City
Valancia - Man Utd
admittedly not many midfielders there help me out
Yes. Please no more French lightweights/dwarfs. Cahill, Clyne, Okazaki, Drinkwater.
N'Golo Kante is 5-feet-6 and 150 lbs (under 70 kgs) and is incredible. Where you're from and what size you are doesn't determine whether you're good enough or care enough to be good in the Premier League. The effort level of some of our key players -- including sacred cows like Cairney -- has been below standard.
Which matches under Ranieri has the effort level from Cairney been below standards?
Well, he got yanked after 45 ineffective minutes on Saturday after being benched against Leicester, so I suggest Ranieri thinks there are concerns.
But surely a lack of effort from Cairney is in any case not the only reasonable explanation for him not playing 90 minutes?
Quote from: nose on December 08, 2018, 06:04:01 PM
The owners will not buy those players, it is to obvious a selection of them would help. What we will get is a few more lightweight unknown midfielders, rather too late in january. Unfortunately TK is way out of hiis depth and it is such a shame he doesn't havve rhe experience tovrealise we need to change. He has cost us a brilliant manager a d will cost us our place in the prem.
Well until we can actually bring players in, you have no idea who will be coming or for that matter going, why make statements of what the Khans or anybody will do when you have no idea.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 10, 2018, 02:24:21 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 09, 2018, 01:23:30 AM
Quote from: howitis on December 08, 2018, 05:45:53 PM
Not sure who they are or how we are going to get them but we only need players whose CV says they are proven Prem players and fairly recently ...
List to begin with, please add accordingly :-
Jermain Defoe - Bournemouth
Victor Moses - Chelsea
Cahill - Chelsea
Drinkwater - Chelsea
Hudson Odoi - Chelsea (allow me 1)
Jagielka - EVerton
Okazaki - Leicester
King - Leicester
Clyne - Liverpool
Mangala - Man City
Valancia - Man Utd
admittedly not many midfielders there help me out
Yes. Please no more French lightweights/dwarfs. Cahill, Clyne, Okazaki, Drinkwater.
N'Golo Kante is 5-feet-6 and 150 lbs (under 70 kgs) and is incredible. Where you're from and what size you are doesn't determine whether you're good enough or care enough to be good in the Premier League. The effort level of some of our key players -- including sacred cows like Cairney -- has been below standard.
Yes yes I've had this argument before on another thread. Kante is a freak. I am looking at what Seri has done this season and surely you would have to agree we have way overspent on him. I cringe when I watch his corners. Looks like an eight year old boy trying to get it over the first man. Anguissa is an even bigger waste of money.