God knows what the question was
Hahahahahaha. At least the lad gives his all.
Thought he was by far our best player today.
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
Thought he was by far our best player today.
That's saying something
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Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
Thought he was by far our best player today.
That's saying something
Yes granted it's not hard. Mitro was a passenger again. Schurrle proved again that if he doesn't score then he is a total waste of space. Im done with seri now. Cant stick up for him any longer. I reckon someone had a bet with raneri that he wouldn't dare play mawson and ream together, as that's the only reason I an think of to justify that selection
Odoi is as bad at right back as Christie. Rico hasn't got a clean sheet in him. They are all crap of I'm honest championship top end at best
Quote from: maoconnor on December 15, 2018, 07:11:48 PM
Hahahahahaha. At least the lad gives his all.
Yes he does. He scores on that 1 v 1, could have been a totally different result, maybe even 3 points. I know AK doesn't get a lot of love on this forum, but I like him and his effort can never be questioned. That said, he should have buried that 1 v1 opportunity.
Quote from: WindyCity on December 15, 2018, 08:04:12 PM
Quote from: maoconnor on December 15, 2018, 07:11:48 PM
Hahahahahaha. At least the lad gives his all.
Yes he does. He scores on that 1 v 1, could have been a totally different result, maybe even 3 points. I know AK doesn't get a lot of love on this forum, but I like him and his effort can never be questioned. That said, he should have buried that 1 v1 opportunity.
Could have been two nil with the header he had aswell
That's the point though is it not? He missed both chances & we were soft at the back again to concede so easily
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Quote from: maoconnor on December 15, 2018, 07:11:48 PM
Hahahahahaha. At least the lad gives his all.
Yes he does. He scores on that 1 v 1, could have been a totally different result, maybe even 3 points. I know AK doesn't get a lot of love on this forum, but I like him and his effort can never be questioned. That said, he should have buried that 1 v1 opportunity.
Could have been two nil with the header he had aswell
True that
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
Thought he was by far our best player today.
If this is serious what are you smoking and where do I get some
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Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
Thought he was by far our best player today.
If this is serious what are you smoking and where do I get some
who actually played better in your opinion then
Certainly not schurrle mitro Seri cairney ream mawson odoi Brian or Rico. Chambers maybe, but he wasted a lot of possession for me
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
Yep, Mitro has had some chances. And hasn't converted.....
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 15, 2018, 08:30:50 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
Thought he was by far our best player today.
If this is serious what are you smoking and where do I get some
who actually played better in your opinion then
Certainly not schurrle mitro Seri cairney ream mawson odoi Brian or Rico. Chambers maybe, but he wasted a lot of possession for me
Chambers showed some fight mitro as well with no support. Cairney good on the ball but played out of position.
Kamara had two great chances fluffed them both gave away several stupid fouls in dangerous positions and was his normal self runs around alot tries hard but if he is the answer then I give up. Can't see what anyone sees in him other then effort a woeful footballer
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 15, 2018, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 15, 2018, 08:30:50 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
Thought he was by far our best player today.
If this is serious what are you smoking and where do I get some
who actually played better in your opinion then
Certainly not schurrle mitro Seri cairney ream mawson odoi Brian or Rico. Chambers maybe, but he wasted a lot of possession for me
Chambers showed some fight mitro as well with no support. Cairney good on the ball but played out of position.
Kamara had two great chances fluffed them both gave away several stupid fouls in dangerous positions and was his normal self runs around alot tries hard but if he is the answer then I give up. Can't see what anyone sees in him other then effort a woeful footballer
see, I thought mitro was really poor again today. Was in 3 or 4 good shooting position and fluffed doesn't even describe how poor each shot was. Doesn't make any decent runs, granted he doesn't really have the pace too, but I'd like to see him try. Cairney didn't do too much wrong, but I reckon Parker is giving him a lot of one on one sessions. Left foot pirouette followed by a left foot pirouette and so on and so on.
Fulhamben, Mitro was poor again today, he might be judged a PL player compared to most of the players in our squad, but how many teams in the PL would he be good enough to play in? Newcastle said he wasn't and there wasn't an auction to sign him, pleased he joined us but he won't be our saviour!
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
You have to create/ get on the end of the chances to miss them. We should have gone in front today, and that would have made a lot of difference. AK was one of our best players.
West Ham didn't look that good, and there was little between the teams, except we can't defend.
I don't know why CR played Odoi instead of Christie at RB - but Odoi gives his all, and does ok at cb.
WE urgently need to some midfield and defensive steel and skill from experiences Prem players, and i'm sure CR is working on this.
We desperately need a win, to give the players confidence, as well as getting up the table.
We're lucky that teams around us kep losing, but obviously can't keep relying on this.
We have to keep getting behind team and manager, even though seems seems bleak at the moment.
But a positive is- we defintely should have gone at least one up, and had West Ham on the run i that first period, and generally matched them in the game - but our shocking defending let us down.
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
Mitrovic didn't miss a 1v1 and a free header from a yard.
Ben wishes that we could bring back Matt Smith!!
For me Kamara has a huge engine but he lacks a footballers brain. In the position he was in during the first half he has to score. He hit the ball without power. It had no pace and the keeper saved it easily. Why because he panicked. 1-0 and West Ham are on the back foot and all we have to do is keep the ball out
Of all of the things to complain about it certainly isn't Kamara
Quote from: Andy S on December 15, 2018, 09:34:38 PM
For me Kamara has a huge engine but he lacks a footballers brain. In the position he was in during the first half he has to score. He hit the ball without power. It had no pace and the keeper saved it easily. Why because he panicked. 1-0 and West Ham are on the back foot and all we have to do is keep the ball out
Well keeping the ball out of our net would probably have been beyond our capabilities! AK deserves a regular start in the next few games, we are not exactly spoilt for choice in the strikers department, clear to see that at the moment he is not PL standard, maybe if he had played a lot more games in the past he might have been by now!
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 09:27:29 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
Mitrovic didn't miss a 1v1 and a free header from a yard.
Agree with that. I also noted several examples of his heavy touch. AK seems incapable of cushioning a ball and as a consequence he loses control or possession as it runs away from him. Definitely not premier level technique I am afraid. He's a trier but that is not enough.
Quote from: Twig on December 15, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 09:27:29 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
Mitrovic didn't miss a 1v1 and a free header from a yard.
Agree with that. I also noted several examples of his heavy touch. AK seems incapable of cushioning a ball and as a consequence he loses control or possession as it runs away from him. Definitely not premier level technique I am afraid. He's a trier but that is not enough.
But there are moments, including today, where his control or a lay off or flick is exceptional
Glimpses of fantastic technique
For me it is still just about composure and finesse, the right manager will make him a good PL player
Honest hard working trier but PL quality? Quite honestly he never looked like scoring with the one on one, doesn't seem to have that little bit of arrogance that natural goal scorers have. One of several players we have who are simply not PL standard. If they were a well drilled honed unit we might just get away with it but they are not. I am genuinely sorry to say that on the evidence so far players like AK, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Bryan, Johansen, McDonald and Vietto simply look out of their depth. I'm not picking on them just being honest as I feel sure CR is looking at them all and wondering who might step up to the required level. It is easy to blame the new faces but we need a solid backbone of genuine PL standard players (not necessarily stars) before they might blossom in a new environment so I won't write them of yet. Perhaps start by sending TF-M (nowhere near ready) and Schurrle (far too much of a luxury) back if we can and bring in some solid journeymen to strengthen us at the back and in mid-field + a forward who knows how to convert some of the chances we are creating and will take some of the weight off of Mitro.
For sixteen minutes we were fine, but then opponents break there is no cover and we fail to track runs from midfield allowing Snodgrass an opportinity which Rico flapped at. After that it is backs to the wall with a team that has yet to find its spine. Team work seems to go out of the window once we are behind as if a mini-post-mortem is being conducted by every player on the field. It is not looking good.
Who contributed more AK or Mitro yesterday ?
Pretty obvious if you were at the game
Unfortunately AK miss at the beginning cost us the game as we started pretty well
In a proper 442 AK would be great
But if he's held back trying to cover Seri TC and Schurrle then we losing his forward threat
Quote from: Baszab on December 16, 2018, 09:27:58 AM
Who contributed more AK or Mitro yesterday ?
Pretty obvious if you were at the game
Unfortunately AK miss at the beginning cost us the game as we started pretty well
In a proper 442 AK would be great
But if he's held back trying to cover Seri TC and Schurrle then we losing his forward threat
AK no question!!
We all know and can see AK and what his shortcomings as a player are. But then who had the best chances to score for us? Who is the most direct of our players? I agree with those that say we can do with him as part of a two man attack and let the stroller German have a rest for a bit. Two wide players like SESS and or Ayite or Kabano and whoever with Mitro and Kamara would at least make opposition wary of putting too many players forward.
Kamara is one of the few I would keep.
Christie, Odoi, Ream, Bryan, Seri, Schurrle, Vietto and then Fabio, KMac, Stefan, Zambo, Fosu Mensah and Cisse would all be out the door before Kamara.
Ranieri is having the same problem SJ had. He cannot believe what a poor squad we have.
After the match he talks about WH have one,two touch players - un said ours are 4 or 5 touch players and then lose it.
He talked about keeping their confidence up - un said, most of you are nowhere good enough for this league but I am stuck with you.
I agree with sunburywhite. I live in hope that one of these days I will see something in Kamara to be able to understand the support he receives from some on this bb. Given that we have Ayite and Kebano. both of whom are in my opinion far better players, sitting in the wings I cannot see the rationale in playing Kamara. He is simply nowhere near good enough. Mitro needs balls played across the box, not someone getting in his way in the middle. It also puts real pressure on the RB who has to both defend and provide width going forwards. That is a particular problem when there is little cover if the RB makes a mistake. Yesterday was a classic example. Odoi missed a tackle some distance from goal and there was no cover at all.
My second problem with Kamara is his going to ground. Once last season was bad enough but to do it again this season is inexcusable. It demeans FFC. We are not that sort of club.
Quote from: Dodger53 on December 16, 2018, 10:03:29 AM
Christie, Odoi, Ream, Bryan, Seri, Schurrle, Vietto and then Fabio, KMac, Stefan, Zambo, Fosu Mensah and Cisse would all be out the door before Kamara.
Except for Seri I agree with that list. And considering Kamara couldn't hold down a starting place in the Championship last year that is a bloody terrible situation. Particularly when it includes almost all our defenders.
My second problem with Kamara is his going to ground.
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Really? What about Mitro? For a big, strong kid like him, he spends more time polishing his backside with grass stains than he does being vertical. To his credit, he does draw some fouls. But I've never seen such a big, strong player go down so easily throughout the course of a match.
Quote from: Mullers OG on December 16, 2018, 11:18:42 AM
I agree with sunburywhite. I live in hope that one of these days I will see something in Kamara to be able to understand the support he receives from some on this bb. Given that we have Ayite and Kebano. both of whom are in my opinion far better players, sitting in the wings I cannot see the rationale in playing Kamara. He is simply nowhere near good enough. Mitro needs balls played across the box, not someone getting in his way in the middle. It also puts real pressure on the RB who has to both defend and provide width going forwards. That is a particular problem when there is little cover if the RB makes a mistake. Yesterday was a classic example. Odoi missed a tackle some distance from goal and there was no cover at all.
My second problem with Kamara is his going to ground. Once last season was bad enough but to do it again this season is inexcusable. It demeans FFC. We are not that sort of club.
totally disagree. Kebano and Ayite are good squad players. They have not played regularly In 2 years. Kamara has real talent. He gives 100%, is very quick and does not get pushed around like our German world cup winner. Is he a super star - no. Frankly he is the least of our problems. Our defense is terrible. Not to single out a player because they were all awful, but Christie's decision making is absolutely baffling. And then the question is whether our defence is that bad or just looks so because our midfield is ineffective. We missed Sess and although it is not a popular opinion I would be inclined to bring McDonald back. Another 100% player, but more importantly a leader which Cairney is not. Let's hope the Cahill rumours are true and CR can work it out quickly
Quote from: Statto on December 15, 2018, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: Twig on December 15, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 09:27:29 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
Mitrovic didn't miss a 1v1 and a free header from a yard.
Agree with that. I also noted several examples of his heavy touch. AK seems incapable of cushioning a ball and as a consequence he loses control or possession as it runs away from him. Definitely not premier level technique I am afraid. He's a trier but that is not enough.
But there are moments, including today, where his control or a lay off or flick is exceptional
Glimpses of fantastic technique
For me it is still just about composure and finesse, the right manager will make him a good PL player
We don't have the time to wait for that.
I really liked Mitro and AK up top. They'll make each other better. No, Kamara's not the answer for the rest of the season, but he's who we need until January.
Quote from: Dodger53 on December 16, 2018, 10:03:29 AM
Kamara is one of the few I would keep.
Christie, Odoi, Ream, Bryan, Seri, Schurrle, Vietto and then Fabio, KMac, Stefan, Zambo, Fosu Mensah and Cisse would all be out the door before Kamara.
Ranieri is having the same problem SJ had. He cannot believe what a poor squad we have.
After the match he talks about WH have one,two touch players - un said ours are 4 or 5 touch players and then lose it.
He talked about keeping their confidence up - un said, most of you are nowhere good enough for this league but I am stuck with you.
Sounds like a good plan and have to say I would agree with most of your selections, but then would we have enough people in the squad to field a team let alone a full subs bench? Overall I do agree with you though!! This poor squad which we all thought after the last window was the best thing since sliced bread, is just too thin now!!
Quote from: Matt10 on December 16, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
I really liked Mitro and AK up top. They'll make each other better. No, Kamara's not the answer for the rest of the season, but he's who we need until January.
Nobody will make AK better. He has the touch of a cannon ball. He is incapable of softly cushioning the ball and taking it under control, that's why so much gets away from him. Love his attitude, effort, speed, goals (when they happen) but simply not and never will be the quality we need.
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 16, 2018, 09:47:15 AM
We all know and can see AK and what his shortcomings as a player are. But then who had the best chances to score for us? Who is the most direct of our players? I agree with those that say we can do with him as part of a two man attack and let the stroller German have a rest for a bit. Two wide players like SESS and or Ayite or Kabano and whoever with Mitro and Kamara would at least make opposition wary of putting too many players forward.
That doesn't sort out the problem of our defence though?
Quote from: Twig on December 16, 2018, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 16, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
I really liked Mitro and AK up top. They'll make each other better. No, Kamara's not the answer for the rest of the season, but he's who we need until January.
Nobody will make AK better. He has the touch of a cannon ball. He is incapable of softly cushioning the ball and taking it under control, that's why so much gets away from him. Love his attitude, effort, speed, goals (when they happen) but simply not and never will be the quality we need.
Sorry Twig, not never will be but not yet, I still have a little hope yet that Kamara will improve! He is a youngster playing in a league that he probably never expected to play in, while we have other multi million signings (lol), super stars that perform like damp squids, I will support AK pound for pound he is better value!
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Quote from: Twig on December 16, 2018, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 16, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
I really liked Mitro and AK up top. They'll make each other better. No, Kamara's not the answer for the rest of the season, but he's who we need until January.
Nobody will make AK better. He has the touch of a cannon ball. He is incapable of softly cushioning the ball and taking it under control, that's why so much gets away from him. Love his attitude, effort, speed, goals (when they happen) but simply not and never will be the quality we need.
Sorry Twig, not never will be but not yet, I still have a little hope yet that Kamara will improve! He is a youngster playing in a league that he probably never expected to play in, while we have other multi million signings (lol), super stars that perform like damp squids, I will support AK pound for pound he is better value!
Just because he was "better value" doesn't mean he will come good. The Zambos and Seris of this world have been expensive flops I totally agree and am furious with TK for his inability to take good advice or learn from his mistakes. AK however, much as I admire his qualities, will never in my view make a Premier level player.
Quote from: Twig on December 16, 2018, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 16, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
I really liked Mitro and AK up top. They'll make each other better. No, Kamara's not the answer for the rest of the season, but he's who we need until January.
Nobody will make AK better. He has the touch of a cannon ball. He is incapable of softly cushioning the ball and taking it under control, that's why so much gets away from him. Love his attitude, effort, speed, goals (when they happen) but simply not and never will be the quality we need.
Such statement of fact.
I said he's not the answer for the rest of the season, but who we need until January. Right...because you know...that transfer window isn't open until then. So, there's a fact for you.
Quote from: Twig on December 16, 2018, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 16, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
I really liked Mitro and AK up top. They'll make each other better. No, Kamara's not the answer for the rest of the season, but he's who we need until January.
Nobody will make AK better. He has the touch of a cannon ball. He is incapable of softly cushioning the ball and taking it under control, that's why so much gets away from him. Love his attitude, effort, speed, goals (when they happen) but simply not and never will be the quality we need.
As a fan I am sure that you will be happy to eat your own words and I think that you will if he is given time
If someone told Tony Khan at the start of the season that Kamara would have more goals than the 4th, 5th and 6th leading goLscorers combined and he was ahead of Ream, McDonald, Johasen to make the starting XI now; then i imagine that person would really be listened to.
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
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Quote from: St Eve on December 17, 2018, 02:02:40 AM
Quote from: Twig on December 16, 2018, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 16, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
I really liked Mitro and AK up top. They'll make each other better. No, Kamara's not the answer for the rest of the season, but he's who we need until January.
Nobody will make AK better. He has the touch of a cannon ball. He is incapable of softly cushioning the ball and taking it under control, that's why so much gets away from him. Love his attitude, effort, speed, goals (when they happen) but simply not and never will be the quality we need.
As a fan I am sure that you will be happy to eat your own words and I think that you will if he is given time
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Quote from: epsomraver on December 17, 2018, 11:41:10 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
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I thought the Mitro diving header he should have done a lot better on.
Quote from: MJG on December 17, 2018, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: epsomraver on December 17, 2018, 11:41:10 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
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I thought the Mitro diving header he should have done a lot better on.
Not to dig out Mitro in a Kamara post but Mitro should of scored that. Agreed.
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Quote from: fulhamben on December 15, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 15, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
You can't play well and miss those 2 sitters.
so by that theory, mitro was pathetic today then. As he hardly did anything and fluffed numerous chances with p1ss poor shots.
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I thought the Mitro diving header he should have done a lot better on.
Not to dig out Mitro in a Kamara post but Mitro should of scored that. Agreed.
Was not trying to dig him out, just showing that everyone misses and at times all can do better.