Can we please get our business done early for once. We need a proper preseason so we start strong.
Only domestic, not international
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international
Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international
Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it
Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.
Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.
Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international
Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it
Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.
Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.
Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?
Or look at Seri, Anguisa et al with no PL xp. Of course there are cases where it works but it's a much higher risk.
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international
Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it
Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.
Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.
Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?
Or look at Seri, Anguisa et al with no PL xp. Of course there are cases where it works but it's a much higher risk.
Seri and Zambo came into a team that all around had no Prem experience. Only ones who had really played in the Prem before this season were Schurrle, Chambers, Mitrovic and Mawson. Anyone signing this summer is coming into a team with probably somewhere between 500-800 Championship appearances and most of them got promoted with us last year.
My attitude is just if you're good enough, you're good enough. And given we'll have to sign probably 7-8 players minimum and domestic transfers are naturally inflated I've got no problem looking abroad.
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international
Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it
Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.
Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.
Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?
Or look at Seri, Anguisa et al with no PL xp. Of course there are cases where it works but it's a much higher risk.
Seri and Zambo came into a team that all around had no Prem experience. Only ones who had really played in the Prem before this season were Schurrle, Chambers, Mitrovic and Mawson. Anyone signing this summer is coming into a team with probably somewhere between 500-800 Championship appearances and most of them got promoted with us last year.
My attitude is just if you're good enough, you're good enough. And given we'll have to sign probably 7-8 players minimum and domestic transfers are naturally inflated I've got no problem looking abroad.
I've got no problem looking abroad but players can take a year or so to get used to the new style of football. Take Aguero for example. A world class player. By his own omission it took him a whole season to get up to speed in the PL. Why not look at top Championship players who know the league. We should also buy good foreign players but experience is definitely needed.
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international
Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it
Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.
Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.
Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?
Or look at Seri, Anguisa et al with no PL xp. Of course there are cases where it works but it's a much higher risk.
Seri and Zambo came into a team that all around had no Prem experience. Only ones who had really played in the Prem before this season were Schurrle, Chambers, Mitrovic and Mawson. Anyone signing this summer is coming into a team with probably somewhere between 500-800 Championship appearances and most of them got promoted with us last year.
My attitude is just if you're good enough, you're good enough. And given we'll have to sign probably 7-8 players minimum and domestic transfers are naturally inflated I've got no problem looking abroad.
I've got no problem looking abroad but players can take a year or so to get used to the new style of football. Take Aguero for example. A world class player. By his own omission it took him a while season to get up to speed in the PL. Why not look at top Championship players who know the league. We should also buy good foreign players but experience is definitely needed.
Depending on your definition of who a "top Championship player" is, we'd be looking at having to spend 10+ million on any one of them when we can probably spend 30m total as an absolute maximum (factoring in the big sales we're expecting). Look at Stoke last summer, they ended up buying Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Woods etc. for about 60m total and finished 16th.
To me "Championship experience" is the biggest myth there is and it just keeps giving very average players big wages because they "know the league".
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international
Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it
Not necessarily. Norwich's squad had barely any Championship experience and they spent peanuts. Good scouting and quick thinking works wonders.
The guy from Hull, Jarrod Bowen, scored over 20 goals in the championship this season. He wouldn't need 2 much persuasion 2 leave that deprived part of the country n join our promotion campaign under S.P.
Quote from: Buffalo76 on May 16, 2019, 02:26:18 PM
The guy from Hull, Jarrod Bowen, scored over 20 goals in the championship this season. He wouldn't need 2 much persuasion 2 leave that deprived part of the country n join our promotion campaign under S.P.
He'd also cost 15-20m and will have a lot of Prem teams interested in him.
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 12:52:32 PM
Can we please get our business done early for once. We need a proper preseason so we start strong.
We need to balance getting players early in the window vs getting good players at good prices more often late in the window. Please get a decent team for the first game early for the window (ie replace Babel and Sessegnon) and buy reinforcements on deadline day (such as second striker).
Quote from: JoelH5
I've got no problem looking abroad but players can take a year or so to get used to the new style of football. Take Aguero for example. A world class player. By his own omission it took him a whole season to get up to speed in the PL. Why not look at top Championship players who know the league. We should also buy good foreign players but experience is definitely needed.
Aguero scored 30 goals in his first season over here though
The wife has just closed it,there been a terrible draught on the back of my neck all afternoon.😕
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 16, 2019, 03:36:39 PM
We need to balance getting players early in the window vs getting good players at good prices more often late in the window.
This idea that you get a better deal at the end of the window is a bit of a fallacy IMO.
I accept that clubs and agents are more desperate to offload players in those final days and hours, but actually the greater desperation seems to me to be from the clubs whose season will be ruined if they don't get a striker, centre-back etc in before the window closes.
The general scramble and panic also increases clubs' susceptibility to poor decisions, gazumping, and deals collapsing for other reasons.
FFC in particular have a history of making terrible signings on deadline day, whether it's massively overpaying for players (eg Anguissa), signing injured players in positions we need covered immediately (Mawson), being left with no one after a deal falls through (didn't we fail at the first attempt for both Cyriac and Kamara?) or signing players on terms that are bound to blow up in our faces (loaning Chris Martin from a play-off rival).
Hopefully we won't have much to do this window meaning that, for once, can get the majority of it done by mid-July. Â
My view is not another turnover but a few decent additions R/B a dominant CH a couple of strikers.
Would ship seri out keep the other midfielders,as we have good enough players plus the youngsters in the club.
Apparently Scotty is keeping it in the family by signing his brother in law Harry Arter
I believe him to be a hard tackling midfielder but how good is he?
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on May 16, 2019, 05:17:11 PM
Apparently Scotty is keeping it in the family by signing his brother in law Harry Arter
I believe him to be a hard tackling midfielder but how good is he?
From what have seen of him thats what he is but does have agood pass and I think will do a good job for us
Well first we need to know if Sess. and Mitro are leaving because if they are then replacement for them becomes top priority.
I cant believe we havent signed Joe Hart yet what is the club playing at
Still need to replace Ryan Fredericks.
Unless Steven is way faster than Ryan I don't see him being able to play Ryan Frederick's overlapping style of football while also having the pace and positional awareness to get back on defense the way Ryan did.
There is a reason West Ham grabbed him and it's going to be tough finding a replacement with Ryan's attributes.
Isn't what we want/need dependent on how Scot wants to play and if Mitro stays? If Mitro does stay then we need a right back that can cross. Neither Fred nor Christi ever saw a cross they couldn't sky.
Quote from: Statto on May 16, 2019, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 16, 2019, 03:36:39 PM
We need to balance getting players early in the window vs getting good players at good prices more often late in the window.
This idea that you get a better deal at the end of the window is a bit of a fallacy IMO.
I accept that clubs and agents are more desperate to offload players in those final days and hours, but actually the greater desperation seems to me to be from the clubs whose season will be ruined if they don't get a striker, centre-back etc in before the window closes.
The general scramble and panic also increases clubs' susceptibility to poor decisions, gazumping, and deals collapsing for other reasons.
FFC in particular have a history of making terrible signings on deadline day, whether it's massively overpaying for players (eg Anguissa), signing injured players in positions we need covered immediately (Mawson), being left with no one after a deal falls through (didn't we fail at the first attempt for both Cyriac and Kamara?) or signing players on terms that are bound to blow up in our faces (loaning Chris Martin from a play-off rival).
Hopefully we won't have much to do this window meaning that, for once, can get the majority of it done by mid-July.
If a team isn't desperate then they can obtain great deals on deadline day, we need to get a good squad a month before deadline day so if no bargains appear we can wait until the winter transfer window. For example, in the summer of 2019 we could do with another left-back but if no bargains appear Bryan, MLM, Ream, S.Sess and Edun would suffice.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 17, 2019, 06:51:51 AM
If a team isn't desperate then they can obtain great deals on deadline day, we need to get a good squad a month before deadline day so if no bargains appear we can wait until the winter transfer window.
Yes agreed, if it's just residual 'nice to haves' rather than key 'must haves' then you can probably get a bargain or two
Quote from: Nero on May 16, 2019, 11:19:30 PM
I cant believe we havent signed Joe Hart yet what is the club playing at
He He, naughty!
Quote from: Jem on May 17, 2019, 08:47:12 AM
Quote from: Nero on May 16, 2019, 11:19:30 PM
I cant believe we havent signed Joe Hart yet what is the club playing at
He He, naughty!
Has anyone considered
JOE HART?
Quote from: filham on May 16, 2019, 09:50:29 PM
Well first we need to know if Sess. and Mitro are leaving because if they are then replacement for them becomes top priority.
Next week may see further news on these important fronts after the players and coaches return from their week off. Wouldn't like to guess what will happen though.Â