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Started by JoelH5, May 16, 2019, 12:52:32 PM

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JoelH5

Can we please get our business done early for once. We need a proper preseason so we start strong.
I was there, standing in the Putney end

sunburywhite

Remember you are braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think.
I will be as good as I can be and when I cross the finishing line I will see what it got me

JoelH5

Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international

Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it
I was there, standing in the Putney end


wheelerdeeler

Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international

Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it

Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.

Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.

Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?

JoelH5

Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international

Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it

Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.

Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.

Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?

Or look at Seri, Anguisa et al with no PL xp. Of course there are cases where it works but it's a much higher risk.
I was there, standing in the Putney end

wheelerdeeler

Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international

Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it

Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.

Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.

Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?

Or look at Seri, Anguisa et al with no PL xp. Of course there are cases where it works but it's a much higher risk.

Seri and Zambo came into a team that all around had no Prem experience. Only ones who had really played in the Prem before this season were Schurrle, Chambers, Mitrovic and Mawson. Anyone signing this summer is coming into a team with probably somewhere between 500-800 Championship appearances and most of them got promoted with us last year.

My attitude is just if you're good enough, you're good enough. And given we'll have to sign probably 7-8 players minimum and domestic transfers are naturally inflated I've got no problem looking abroad.


JoelH5

#6
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international

Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it

Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.

Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.

Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?

Or look at Seri, Anguisa et al with no PL xp. Of course there are cases where it works but it's a much higher risk.

Seri and Zambo came into a team that all around had no Prem experience. Only ones who had really played in the Prem before this season were Schurrle, Chambers, Mitrovic and Mawson. Anyone signing this summer is coming into a team with probably somewhere between 500-800 Championship appearances and most of them got promoted with us last year.

My attitude is just if you're good enough, you're good enough. And given we'll have to sign probably 7-8 players minimum and domestic transfers are naturally inflated I've got no problem looking abroad.

I've got no problem looking abroad but players can take a year or so to get used to the new style of football. Take Aguero for example. A world class player. By his own omission it took him a whole season to get up to speed in the PL. Why not look at top Championship players who know the league. We should also buy good foreign players but experience is definitely needed.
I was there, standing in the Putney end

wheelerdeeler

Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 16, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international

Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it

Genuinely curious to know how much people value Championship experience this summer when even with likely departures we already have Bettinelli, Rodak, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Mawson, Bryan, McDonald, Cairney, Johansen, Ayite, Kebano, AK47, Fonte (and even Cisse and Edun have played some games) with said experience.

Personally I couldn't care less about signing players with Championship experience this summer, it would be a bonus and I'd want someone like McBurnie if we sold Mitrovic to "guarantee" goals- but it wouldn't be high on my list when looking for players.

Don't think you'll see a better example than Norwich last season. They sign Pukki and Jordan Rhodes, one has Championship experience, one has never played in England before. One scores 29 goals and wins POTY, the other is a bench player. Guess which one is which?

Or look at Seri, Anguisa et al with no PL xp. Of course there are cases where it works but it's a much higher risk.

Seri and Zambo came into a team that all around had no Prem experience. Only ones who had really played in the Prem before this season were Schurrle, Chambers, Mitrovic and Mawson. Anyone signing this summer is coming into a team with probably somewhere between 500-800 Championship appearances and most of them got promoted with us last year.

My attitude is just if you're good enough, you're good enough. And given we'll have to sign probably 7-8 players minimum and domestic transfers are naturally inflated I've got no problem looking abroad.

I've got no problem looking abroad but players can take a year or so to get used to the new style of football. Take Aguero for example. A world class player. By his own omission it took him a while season to get up to speed in the PL. Why not look at top Championship players who know the league. We should also buy good foreign players but experience is definitely needed.

Depending on your definition of who a "top Championship player" is, we'd be looking at having to spend 10+ million on any one of them when we can probably spend 30m total as an absolute maximum (factoring in the big sales we're expecting). Look at Stoke last summer, they ended up buying Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Woods etc. for about 60m total and finished 16th.

To me "Championship experience" is the biggest myth there is and it just keeps giving very average players big wages because they "know the league".

EJL

Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 16, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Only domestic, not international

Yes and we need experience of the Championship to get out of it
Not necessarily. Norwich's squad had barely any Championship experience and they spent peanuts. Good scouting and quick thinking works wonders.


Buffalo76

The guy from Hull, Jarrod Bowen, scored over 20 goals in the championship this season. He wouldn't need 2 much persuasion 2 leave that deprived part of the country n join our promotion campaign under S.P.

wheelerdeeler

Quote from: Buffalo76 on May 16, 2019, 02:26:18 PM
The guy from Hull, Jarrod Bowen, scored over 20 goals in the championship this season. He wouldn't need 2 much persuasion 2 leave that deprived part of the country n join our promotion campaign under S.P.


He'd also cost 15-20m and will have a lot of Prem teams interested in him.

The Rational Fan

Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 12:52:32 PM
Can we please get our business done early for once. We need a proper preseason so we start strong.

We need to balance getting players early in the window vs getting good players at good prices more often late in the window. Please get a decent team for the first game early for the window (ie replace Babel and Sessegnon) and buy reinforcements on deadline day (such as second striker).


Jamie88

Quote from: JoelH5

I've got no problem looking abroad but players can take a year or so to get used to the new style of football. Take Aguero for example. A world class player. By his own omission it took him a whole season to get up to speed in the PL. Why not look at top Championship players who know the league. We should also buy good foreign players but experience is definitely needed.

Aguero scored 30 goals in his first season over here though

Mince n Tatties

The wife has just closed it,there been a terrible draught on the back of my neck all afternoon.😕

Statto

#14
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 16, 2019, 03:36:39 PM
We need to balance getting players early in the window vs getting good players at good prices more often late in the window.

This idea that you get a better deal at the end of the window is a bit of a fallacy IMO.

I accept that clubs and agents are more desperate to offload players in those final days and hours, but actually the greater desperation seems to me to be from the clubs whose season will be ruined if they don't get a striker, centre-back etc in before the window closes.

The general scramble and panic also increases clubs' susceptibility to poor decisions, gazumping, and deals collapsing for other reasons.

FFC in particular have a history of making terrible signings on deadline day, whether it's massively overpaying for players (eg Anguissa), signing injured players in positions we need covered immediately (Mawson), being left with no one after a deal falls through (didn't we fail at the first attempt for both Cyriac and Kamara?) or signing players on terms that are bound to blow up in our faces (loaning Chris Martin from a play-off rival).

Hopefully we won't have much to do this window meaning that, for once, can get the majority of it done by mid-July.   


hovewhite

My view is not another turnover but a few decent additions R/B a dominant CH a couple of strikers.
Would ship seri out keep the other midfielders,as we have good enough players plus the youngsters in the club.

Stoneleigh Loyalist

Apparently Scotty is keeping it in the family by signing his brother in law Harry Arter
I believe him to be a hard tackling midfielder but how good is he?

sunburywhite

Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on May 16, 2019, 05:17:11 PM
Apparently Scotty is keeping it in the family by signing his brother in law Harry Arter
I believe him to be a hard tackling midfielder but how good is he?

From what  have seen of him thats what he is but does have agood pass and I think will do a good job for us
Remember you are braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think.
I will be as good as I can be and when I cross the finishing line I will see what it got me


filham

Well first we need to know if Sess. and Mitro are leaving because if they are then replacement for them becomes top priority.

Nero

I cant believe we havent signed Joe Hart yet what is the club playing at