Liability
Ivan got the win
Marcus's distribution is questionable and his positioning for the equalizer
What did Betts do so wrong?
Quote from: Twig on August 16, 2019, 09:40:14 PM
What did Betts do so wrong?
Looked pretty weak on the Huddersfield goal. Which was their only shot on target.
So not a lot to judge him on other than that and mediocre distribution.
I can forgive him his languid demeanour as he's gangly, but he should have reached the ball before it crossed the line.
Not impressed after 3 games!
Should have reached the ball? Are you guys for real, he very nearly pulled off a worldy save. That goal was down to defensive errors not a keeping error.
Oh well, as Dennis wasn't playing I suppose this was predictable.
2mm away from a quality save. He would have been shaping for a glancing header the way the striker was positioned as the ball came in. CBs more responsible for letting the striker ghost between them.
The longer Odoi stays out the better. I just don't think Fabri was given a fair chance.
not much work for Bettinelli, but 1 shot on target, 1 goal conceded...
Some people here have a prejudiced agenda against Bettinelli. It is almost as if they want to show how free-thinking and iconoclastic they are by wanting a Fulham favourite to be dropped simply because he is respected by many for his affection for the club. There was nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with his distribution tonight, and he was blameless for the goal. How was he a "liability"? He had an easy time of it tonight, so he had no saves to make, but he made no mistakes. There's always someone who becomes a target for being dropped, and already (for no reason based on performances to date), it is Bettinelli.
Mawson is totally at fault for the goal, ball watching and not marking, that should have been an easy ball for a center half that was awake. Mawson is not yet looking like a player worthy of his fee.
Some of the criticisms by those defending our goalkeepers failure to save the header is harsher than the criticism of the player!
Yes, the defence let him down by allowing a free head but a top 6 goalkeeper should be making those saves more often than not.
He's probably the best we have at the moment but he will have to up his game moving forward and I bet he knows it.
I can just about accept the goal, but his indecision with the ball at his feet will cost us dear this season. Our game management at seeing out that game was pretty poor and much of the concern came from 2 x CB's and GK.
Marcus just isn't good enough for what we are trying to achieve. I can't see the point in trying to get through another season knowing that he is barely champ class let alone Prem quality ...
I watched every second of the match. Betts was not really at fault. The Hudds attacker was given a free header.
Quote from: howitis on August 16, 2019, 10:09:07 PM
I can just about accept the goal, but his indecision with the ball at his feet will cost us dear this season. Our game management at seeing out that game was pretty poor and much of the concern came from 2 x CB's and GK.
Marcus just isn't good enough for what we are trying to achieve. I can't see the point in trying to get through another season knowing that he is barely champ class let alone Prem quality ...
But yet has an England Call up not bad for a League kepper
Every goal we concede is down to a keeper or defensive error. Every goal we score is brilliant and well worked even when it is a defensive error. That has always been the way fans look at the game.
Quote from: Plodder on August 16, 2019, 09:56:23 PM
Some people here have a prejudiced agenda against Bettinelli. It is almost as if they want to show how free-thinking and iconoclastic they are by wanting a Fulham favourite to be dropped simply because he is respected by many for his affection for the club. There was nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with his distribution tonight, and he was blameless for the goal. How was he a "liability"? He had an easy time of it tonight, so he had no saves to make, but he made no mistakes. There's always someone who becomes a target for being dropped, and already (for no reason based on performances to date), it is Bettinelli.
Precisely.
Looking at the replay he only got a touch after the ball hit the post, even then not sure it was his hand. I felt he should of diced to the post not into the goal, yes he would have hit the post but that's part of keeping
How on Earth is Betts getting the blame for not saving a free header deep inside our box [emoji16].
Betts is fine, especially in this league
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Look at the Fulham winner. Would we be blaming the defence and the keeper for allowing the great finish? Poor old keepers and defenders are always blamed.
Moan, moan, moan. Have some of you nothing else to do. I´m celebrating another win & well done every member who stepped up tonight.
Betts was not in my opinion at any fault for Ahearne-Grant's well taken header - almost pulled of a top class save in fact as the ball looped off the post.
Ahearne-Grant looks a good striker - thankfully he had no other service tonight.
CBs could have been better positioned but was an excellent early cross and Grant did well to get his header on target
Quote from: junior white on August 16, 2019, 10:38:08 PM
Looking at the replay he only got a touch after the ball hit the post, even then not sure it was his hand. I felt he should of diced to the post not into the goal, yes he would have hit the post but that's part of keeping
No goalkeeper deliberately dives 'into the goal'. Their first aim, in a split second, is to just reach the ball. Betts was a split second late, probably because of the speed and placement of the header, but he reached it and clawed it outwards. Another couple of centimetres and it would have been, as someone has said, a 'worldie' save - which many of us probably thought it was at first glance.
Betts will do for me thank you
Quote from: Fulham1959 on August 16, 2019, 10:52:50 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 16, 2019, 10:38:08 PM
Looking at the replay he only got a touch after the ball hit the post, even then not sure it was his hand. I felt he should of diced to the post not into the goal, yes he would have hit the post but that's part of keeping
No goalkeeper deliberately dives 'into the goal'. Their first aim, in a split second, is to just reach the ball. Betts was a split second late, probably because of the speed and placement of the header, but he reached it and clawed it outwards. Another couple of centimetres and it would have been, as someone has said, a 'worldie' save - which many of us probably thought it was at first glance.
You don't have to tell me, my dad Played in Goal at a decent level, was just observing that he dived backwards and not towards the goal post.
He actually never (it so it seemed from the replay I've seen here in Spain) got a full hand on the ball after it hit the post, if he had dived at the post he probably would have saved it.
For me Betts is a good keeper at this level, certainly worthy of a top 6 side, don't want it to sound like I am balling him out s I am not, just saying what it seems from the replay
I'm not the biggest fan of Bettinelli, and yes perhaps he could have done better with the save if he didn't dive backwards; though I personally am of the opinion that he wouldn't have even got a hand if he didn't dive how he did. However that is opinion, purely that.
We can argue about that forever.
But one thing is fact. Bettinelli did great tonight in withstanding a very high press from Huddersfield. He was excellent in finding men in space. He didn't let the pressure of an opponent running to him from 5 foot way get to him. He distributed well. He made great choices in when to go short and when to go long.
Many complain that we go short too often and that we need to utilize Mitrovic more. The Sky Sports analyst showed the average positions before the game and showed that Knoockaert typically played further than Mitro who drops back to receive. We saw that plenty and it gave us a different mode of attack.
Often Mitro came to the center circle and knocked it over to a winger, it worked great against their high press and Knocky had two one on ones. Which to be fair, their keeper did excellent on.
He didn't slip in playing it short. His defenders trusted him to do so, and they trusted to go back to him. He also distributed great and found the balance between short and long.
Let's not let that goal get to our heads. If Mitro scores that header then we'd all 'hurrah' and comment on how great he is to direct a header that the keeper can't even touch without diving backwards. That's what their forward did tonight.
Bettinelli isn't a world beater, but he did great.
Betts wasn't at fault at all for that goal! He almost pulled off an Cavalereio goal type save - a worldy. Their striker was delivered a perfect ball in and was completely unmarked. Marcus so very nearly had it out.
Only a fraction away from a miracle save.
I was a goalie,not professional but not bad.
Do some of you know the speed a ball comes at you at an angle even off someone's head.
Minicule of a second in a keepers movement can be the difference of saving or not.
He had no chance,he dived into the goal to get the rebound off of the post if it hit it imo.
Love Betts, thought he played well, a great improvement, and couldn't be blamed for their goal.
Great performance by everyone who played last night - really battling, classy performance.
Quote from: grandad on August 16, 2019, 10:46:43 PM
Moan, moan, moan. Have some of you nothing else to do. I´m celebrating another win & well done every member who stepped up tonight.
I could not agree more. Why to we always have to single out people, especially when they are not at fault?? I celebrated the win gained by the TEAM - 3 points away from home in August, that does not happen often irrespective of who the opposition is! Bett's was not at fault for the goal. His distribution is improving, defence look steady under his and guidance too and long may it continue - COYW
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 17, 2019, 06:42:47 AM
I was a goalie,not professional but not bad.
Do some of you know the speed a ball comes at you at an angle even off someone's head.
Minicule of a second in a keepers movement can be the difference of saving or not.
He had no chance,he dived into the goal to get the rebound off of the post if it hit it imo.
Agree 👍⚽️
Quote from: RaySmith on August 17, 2019, 06:49:45 AM
Love Betts, thought he played well, a great improvement, and couldn't be blamed for their goal.
Great performance by everyone who played last night - really battling, classy performance.
Agree 👍⚽️
Quote from: bobby01 on August 16, 2019, 09:50:55 PM
Oh well, as Dennis wasn't playing I suppose this was predictable.
Like.
A new scapegoat for a very old disease.
Betts was good enough in our promotion season and is good enough now. It's also nice to have a keeper that is one of our own rather than a recycled old timer like Kiraly. Seems a character and well liked by his teammates.
Quote from: copthornemike on August 16, 2019, 10:47:01 PM
Betts was not in my opinion at any fault for Ahearne-Grant's well taken header - almost pulled of a top class save in fact as the ball looped off the post.
Ahearne-Grant looks a good striker - thankfully he had no other service tonight.
CBs could have been better positioned but was an excellent early cross and Grant did well to get his header on target
+1
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on August 17, 2019, 08:20:45 AM
Betts was good enough in our promotion season and is good enough now. It's also nice to have a keeper that is one of our own rather than a recycled old timer like Kiraly. Seems a character and well liked by his teammates.
+1
Jeez lads you're being ridiculously hard on him. It was a great attempt to get there. God knows what ye'll write when he drops a clanger as all keepers do!