Holding out for nearly half an hour with 10 men. Brilliant resilience and defensively very solid. Should've had a penalty. Arter should shake every player's hand, he's lucky he didn't cost us. Having said that we may have won. Oh well, point away never a bad result.
10 men against 12 tonight.
Not a bad result but a another poor performance.Considering the talent in our ranks, they are not being utilised properly yet. A lot of work to do over the international break.
Can someone explain why Arter gets a yellow for a dive (when his back leg was touched), yet Flint, doesnt get a yellow forn a dive? Ref didn't give a pen so it must have been a dive.... **** refs again.
Sounds as if we put up a good fight but the bad news is we are not creating goal chances.
Quote from: filham on August 30, 2019, 09:48:30 PM
Sounds as if we put up a good fight but the bad news is we are not creating goal chances.
I'm hoping that when things click properly we'll create more chances & put games to bed.
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 30, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
Can someone explain why Arter gets a yellow for a dive (when his back leg was touched), yet Flint, doesnt get a yellow forn a dive? Ref didn't give a pen so it must have been a dive.... poo refs again.
Sorry but purely idiotic from Arter to not only fling himself to the ground but to then react the way he did all the while on a yellow. Agree the ref was shite though
Quote from: jayffc on August 30, 2019, 09:46:23 PM
Not a bad result but a another poor performance.Considering the talent in our ranks, they are not being utilised properly yet. A lot of work to do over the international break.
I disagree. We dominated the game and looked comfortable defensively. It's not easy coming here. We need to get more out of our wingers by getting the ball forward quicker but that doesn'tmake it a bad performance. I felt we would've won if Arter didn't get sent off we were on top.
Midfield shows zero creativity. With the right ball to the front three we can and will score. Something there has to change, whether tactically or change of players.
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 30, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
Can someone explain why Arter gets a yellow for a dive (when his back leg was touched), yet Flint, doesnt get a yellow forn a dive? Ref didn't give a pen so it must have been a dive.... poo refs again.
Ask the ref.
Quote from: The Old Count on August 30, 2019, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: SP on August 30, 2019, 09:45:52 PM
10 men against 12 tonight.
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Well played lads- a gutsy performance.
Arter WAS tripped, even if he went down bit theatricality, whereas the ref ignored their player doing worse - in that he isn't even touched -in the pen area, and the Sky commentators also glossed over it, after condemning Arter.
Quote from: joemole on August 30, 2019, 09:54:11 PM
Midfield shows zero creativity. With the right ball to the front three we can and will score. Something there has to change, whether tactically or change of players.
Agreed. Cairney disappointing. Reed and Arter aren't creative players, we know that. Regardless though if we get the penalty we win I think.
Leave Cairney there, but maybe try O'Reilly or Onomah. Beats watching anyone else there passing sideways or backwards every time.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 30, 2019, 09:54:38 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 30, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
Can someone explain why Arter gets a yellow for a dive (when his back leg was touched), yet Flint, doesnt get a yellow forn a dive? Ref didn't give a pen so it must have been a dive.... poo refs again.
Ask the ref.
Because this is the Championship and the refs are pi$$ poor. And people like Morrison and Warnock, whilst pi$$ poor at football, can a play a ref like that like a violin
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 30, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
Can someone explain why Arter gets a yellow for a dive (when his back leg was touched), yet Flint, doesnt get a yellow forn a dive? Ref didn't give a pen so it must have been a dive.... poo refs again.
Because Flint's dive took place in a crowded area with the ball a little distance away and his action was only clear upon seeing the replay. Perhaps we should be thankful that Flint did fall: had he tried to run from Cairney, it may have been apparent that our captain had hold of his shirt (a la Luiz on Salah the other week).
Very disappointed with that performance & our players attitude.
They were very poor. We were pedestrian, lacking creativity & urgency. 2 points dropped by the prima donnas who seem to think they can coast to promotion. They need to realise damn quick you have to graft and earn the right to play.
Someone please tell our players the objective is to score goals not accumulate possession stats. We are much too negative.
As for discipline Parker needs to sort this quickly. Arter was warned in the first half for his mouth. He gets booked, theatrically goes down & then remonstrates with the lineman. Booking all day long.
No, as you can tell I'm not impressed with my trip to Cardiff tonight
Tim Robinson took liberties with something one of our players said to him in the first half and allowed it to cloud his judgement for the rest of the game, which he subsequently lost control of. Should be demoted a division.
Dull, toothless possession, gifted Cardiff their goal, and took a stupid red to kill any chance of 3 points against a thoroughly mediocre opponent.
What's to be proud about? That we didn't lose? Expectations need to be higher than that.
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on August 30, 2019, 10:10:00 PM
Tim Robinson took liberties with something one of our players said to him in the first half and allowed it to cloud his judgement for the rest of the game, which he subsequently lost control of. Should be demoted a division.
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Quote from: Denver Fulham on August 30, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Dull, toothless possession, gifted Cardiff their goal, and took a stupid red to kill any chance of 3 points against a thoroughly mediocre opponent.
What's to be proud about? That we didn't lose? Expectations need to be higher than that.
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Quote from: MikeTheCubed on August 30, 2019, 10:10:00 PM
Tim Robinson took liberties with something one of our players said to him in the first half and allowed it to cloud his judgement for the rest of the game, which he subsequently lost control of. Should be demoted a division.
Well summed up. It was Knockaert having to point out that the Cardiff players weren't 10 yards from the corner. Embarrassed the ref and he didn't like it.
Yes we put a shift in and I love the way we keep the ball generally but tonight we over did it again and again, passing for passing sake.
Cardiff were another average team and we didn't test them enough.
The ref was officious and poor but we made it hard for ourselves.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on August 30, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Dull, toothless possession, gifted Cardiff their goal, and took a stupid red to kill any chance of 3 points against a thoroughly mediocre opponent.
What's to be proud about? That we didn't lose? Expectations need to be higher than that.
This is Fulham. Last season we lose that game. We had poor first half but did well with 10 men and were on top before the red. We're far from the finished product but the mentality is far better than last season.
Quote from: RaySmith on August 30, 2019, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on August 30, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Dull, toothless possession, gifted Cardiff their goal, and took a stupid red to kill any chance of 3 points against a thoroughly mediocre opponent.
What's to be proud about? That we didn't lose? Expectations need to be higher than that.
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Have to say, as much as this post is blunt, it's spot on. We either rate this team and squad to be capable of beating miserable teams away or we don't and accept we aren't top 2. This start to the season as been below par considering our starting fixtures and if forest at home isnt achievable we need to be taking points away. Give Cardiff respect as a tough away fixture but they were prime pickings tonight and again, we met points drop when we have harder fixtures coming. I'm starting to get worried this team is dropping away already from a top 2 finish.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 30, 2019, 10:17:42 PM
Yes we put a shift in and I love the way we keep the ball generally but tonight we over did it again and again, passing for passing sake.
Cardiff were another average team and we didn't test them enough.
The ref was officious and poor but we made it hard for ourselves.
Agree with this. Problem is lack of movement, midfirld three need to do more to create options.
Strange lot we are. Half think we were poor & half said we played well. I thought it was a gritty performance especially when down to 10. Happy with the point in the end. Perhaps one day the EFL will make appointments at Specsavers for all the officials.
Quote from: Arthur on August 30, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 30, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
Can someone explain why Arter gets a yellow for a dive (when his back leg was touched), yet Flint, doesnt get a yellow forn a dive? Ref didn't give a pen so it must have been a dive.... poo refs again.
Because Flint's dive took place in a crowded area with the ball a little distance away and his action was only clear upon seeing the replay. Perhaps we should be thankful that Flint did fall: had he tried to run from Cairney, it may have been apparent that our captain had hold of his shirt (a la Luiz on Salah the other week).
But the ref waved it away so he saw it... so then it's a booking for simulation
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 30, 2019, 10:18:02 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on August 30, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Dull, toothless possession, gifted Cardiff their goal, and took a stupid red to kill any chance of 3 points against a thoroughly mediocre opponent.
What's to be proud about? That we didn't lose? Expectations need to be higher than that.
This is Fulham. Last season we lose that game. We had poor first half but did well with 10 men and were on top before the red. We're far from the finished product but the mentality is far better than last season.
Don't keep on about 10 men,Coventry only had 9 second half at Portsmouth a fortnight ago,and scored twice.😉
I thought Cardiff were there for the taking, obviously the red card reduced our chances and naturally we defended what we had, so under the circumstances it was a point won.
When we have possession as much as we do, there has to be more movement off the ball, that's my only criticism. So I am relieved we brought a point away from a difficult place, with one man shy.
I cannot see Cardiff in the top six going by what I saw tonight. But I can see Fulham progressing all the way through the season.
Under SP, we are far more street wise and tenacious, and we have more leaders and characters. Given the same circumstances last years team would have lost tonight.
This forum is becoming obsessed with refs,every time we don't win its the refs fault.😜
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on August 30, 2019, 10:10:00 PM
Tim Robinson took liberties with something one of our players said to him in the first half and allowed it to cloud his judgement for the rest of the game, which he subsequently lost control of. Should be demoted a division.
Warnock said "the Ref had a good game tonight" - says it all!
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 30, 2019, 10:22:41 PM
When we have possession as much as we do, there has to be more movement off the ball, that's my only criticism. tonight.
Your'e not wrong - but if forwards make a run and then the midfield don't release the pass they soon give up!
Quote from: LittleErn on August 30, 2019, 10:23:33 PM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on August 30, 2019, 10:10:00 PM
Tim Robinson took liberties with something one of our players said to him in the first half and allowed it to cloud his judgement for the rest of the game, which he subsequently lost control of. Should be demoted a division.
Warnock said "the Ref had a good game tonight" - says it all!
Sure he did, for them.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 30, 2019, 10:22:41 PM
I thought Cardiff were there for the taking, obviously the red card reduced our chances and naturally we defended what we had, so under the circumstances it was a point won.
When we have possession as much as we do, there has to be more movement off the ball, that's my only criticism. So I am relieved we brought a point away from a difficult place, with one man shy.
I cannot see Cardiff in the top six going by what I saw tonight. But I can see Fulham progressing all the way through the season.
Under SP, we are far more street wise and tenacious, and we have more leaders and characters. Given the same circumstances last years team would have lost tonight.
Echoes my view entirely.
Thankfully the late winner I feared from Junior Hoilett didn't materialise, I think I'd have thrown up hearing the Sky pundits celebrating a well deserved winner.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 30, 2019, 09:54:38 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 30, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
Can someone explain why Arter gets a yellow for a dive (when his back leg was touched), yet Flint, doesnt get a yellow forn a dive? Ref didn't give a pen so it must have been a dive.... poo refs again.
Ask the ref.
didnt you know they are not accountable for their decisions.
the game turned on Arter , well in control until then without really threatening .i think with 11 we would have worn them down , they had no ideas at all .
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 30, 2019, 10:17:42 PM
Yes we put a shift in and I love the way we keep the ball generally but tonight we over did it again and again, passing for passing sake.
Cardiff were another average team and we didn't test them enough.
The ref was officious and poor but we made it hard for ourselves.
i thought the ref had it in for arta from the start. But I don't know why maybe he was gobbing off.
Quote from: LittleErn on August 30, 2019, 10:23:33 PM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on August 30, 2019, 10:10:00 PM
Tim Robinson took liberties with something one of our players said to him in the first half and allowed it to cloud his judgement for the rest of the game, which he subsequently lost control of. Should be demoted a division.
Warnock said "the Ref had a good game tonight" - says it all!
If the referee had actually had a good game tonight then Warnock would have had a heart attack and the game would have been abandoned.
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 30, 2019, 10:20:39 PM
Quote from: Arthur on August 30, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 30, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
Can someone explain why Arter gets a yellow for a dive (when his back leg was touched), yet Flint, doesnt get a yellow forn a dive? Ref didn't give a pen so it must have been a dive.... poo refs again.
Because Flint's dive took place in a crowded area with the ball a little distance away and his action was only clear upon seeing the replay. Perhaps we should be thankful that Flint did fall: had he tried to run from Cairney, it may have been apparent that our captain had hold of his shirt (a la Luiz on Salah the other week).
But the ref waved it away so he saw it... so then it's a booking for simulation
The referee didn't think it was worth a penalty. That isn't the same as saying he knew Flint had thrown himself to the ground. He may think it's a possibility; but he may also think it's possible that Flint merely stumbled over Cairney's leg. The ball was in the air; it had passed over Flint's head by the time he fell; I don't blame the referee for not being clear that it was simulation. And if the referee did see the situation and decides to book Flint for trying to influence his decision, I would say he would be under scrutiny as to why he didn't, nonetheless, award the penalty; irrespective of the Cardiff player's theatrics, Cairney did have hold of his shirt - which is an offence.