up this coming season - what a great position to be in.... underdog in every game..... let's just enjoy the ride
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on August 23, 2020, 08:57:17 AM
up this coming season - what a great position to be in.... underdog in every game..... let's just enjoy the ride
I'm totally opposite, if we have the team spirit, the fight, I really think we can do something 'special'. We are better then Sheff Utd, everyone thought they would be 'relegated', that includes me. They were very 'industrious' throughout the season and suprised everyone.
It will be a hard season but I am hoping Parker can get us fighting from the start and somehow we will collect 40 points which will be sufficient to give us another premier league season.
Essential though that TK plays his part and sorts out two or three transfers quickly to give Parker the extra players he needs.
It all depends on key signings. Thus far we haven't made any (TR as a new LB is fine but wasn't key). If we get Reed and a very good CB then I think we will do ok. Start without those two critical signings and I think we drop.
What did Micky Adams say Think fail and you will. I hope the players mindset is not where you are
I think that we will do well . There are at least three teams that are worst than us. Palace, Brighton, Burnley, Southampton, West Brom,
:005:
I just hope the team do not have such a mentality. Defeatist attitude.
As long as we stay up this season I will be happy. I'm looking forward to seeing fantastic players and clubs as part of our opposition, and the abdolute joy when we actually manage to beat one of the big clubs.
Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk
The worst scenario is that we will not be cannon fodder like before, and the dressing room atmosphere and team spirit will be positive as opposed to negative.
Providing we can resolve the current situation at LCB, RB and Harrison Reed as well as another striker.
We have no need to fear the worst. The good situation is that we are very much in the underdogs bracket, so no pressure, and we will be quite capable of picking up points against the Arsenals of this world.
But we do need reinforcements and every single player on the pitch has to be as one.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on August 23, 2020, 08:57:17 AM
up this coming season - what a great position to be in.... underdog in every game..... let's just enjoy the ride
Amen! I agree. Embrace the struggle folks!
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2020, 03:07:02 PM
The worst scenario is that we will not be cannon fodder like before, and the dressing room atmosphere and team spirit will be positive as opposed to negative.
Providing we can resolve the current situation at LCB, RB and Harrison Reed as well as another striker.
We have no need to fear the worst. The good situation is that we are very much in the underdogs bracket, so no pressure, and we will be quite capable of picking up points against the Arsenals of this world.
But we do need reinforcements and every single player on the pitch has to be as one.
We should always fear the worst. It's okay really. Getting relegated from the Premier League is not the worse that can happen. There is worse than that in football.
I'm less defeatist than normal and am just going to enjoy being in the top flight and seeing what we can do. I think we're capable of staying up but have full confidence that if we don't, we have the right strategy to give us an exciting following season pushing for automatic. If the likes of Anguissa come back and play to their form, I actually think, pending a few signings, we should be ok but lets see.
Quote from: Berserker on August 23, 2020, 02:30:59 PM
As long as we stay up this season I will be happy. I'm looking forward to seeing fantastic players and clubs as part of our opposition, and the abdolute joy when we actually manage to beat one of the big clubs.
Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk
In truth I will be surprised if we stay up, and not too disappointed if we don't, having said that I was surprised that we got promoted but really delighted with
how we did it, if Mr Parker can get the team to play like that then we'll be OK.
For next season all I want is to beat Chelsea, home or away I don't really care, but assuming we can't go to the game I'd love to hear Gentle Jim when the final whistle goes and we've got the 3 points, such things are dreams made of... 049:gif I think he may repeat what the "man behind him" said at the play off final 064.gif
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on August 23, 2020, 07:03:50 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2020, 03:07:02 PM
The worst scenario is that we will not be cannon fodder like before, and the dressing room atmosphere and team spirit will be positive as opposed to negative.
Providing we can resolve the current situation at LCB, RB and Harrison Reed as well as another striker.
We have no need to fear the worst. The good situation is that we are very much in the underdogs bracket, so no pressure, and we will be quite capable of picking up points against the Arsenals of this world.
But we do need reinforcements and every single player on the pitch has to be as one.
We should always fear the worst. It's okay really. Getting relegated from the Premier League is not the worse that can happen. There is worse than that in football.
If we play without fear, not only would players play with a lot more confidence but it will also be a springboard to enable Fulham to embrace a system of play that will encourage Fulham to play to their strengths which inevitably will strengthen Fulhams resolve in being the goveners during a game and not just a fight for survival.
It's too early to call. The transfer window is open until 5 October so it's not easy to make predictions, although I can understand why we are the bookies favourites for the drop. The play off winners are every season so nothing new there. If we could fill the obvious gaps in the squad before a ball is kicked that would be a start. Robinson looks like a good addition. We probably need a couple more before the Arsenal game.
17th would be success. There are at least 6 teams that will be struggling
we have yet to kick a ball in anger, the squad is not assembled. i didn't expect us to go up last season so no need to be pesimistic, let us see a few games first and then decide.
Scott Parker's job is to keep us up this season with existing players and if we go down get us promoted. But the Recruitment team's first priority is buy players thinking 2 to 5 years in advance and their second priority is to fill any gaps for this season with loans.
The most important longer term priority when it comes to recruitment is a centre back partnership (or trio) that if required over the next four years can get us promoted again and keep clean sheets in premier league. We have a young goalkeeper (Rodak), we have two young full backs with potential (S.Sess and Robinson), we have two young midfielders (Anguissa and Onamah) and a few forwards should be starting to peak (Mitro, Kamara and Reid), so it's CBs that we need to fix first.
Getting Relegated is OK, provided we can get promoted with a team that has a very solid defensive spine. The ideal team to get promoted has strong CBs and CMs, because other positions are easier to add later, especially easy is normally adding a top winger.
It will be a really hard season, that's for sure, but I think we can fight and stay, and next season build a better team without massive overhaul of the squad, we need to build a top 10 squad during the next years, to avoid overhaulings
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 23, 2020, 11:55:58 PM
Scott Parker's job is to keep us up this season with existing players and if we go down get us promoted. But the Recruitment team's first priority is buy players thinking 2 to 5 years in advance and their second priority is to fill any gaps for this season with loans.
I think Parker's job is currently to ensure that he has what he needs as a squad to consolidate and improve upon what he has achieved already. Recruitment need to be on that exact same wavelength as Parker because nothing is ever certain in football whether it is success/failure measured by the second or by the decade. Senior Club personnel were well warned about how fickle success can be in 2018 and a repeat this time around will suggest that something is very wrong with personnel in the upper echelons of the Club. I would hope that when Parker and Khan Junior discuss things it isn't just about the here and now but also covers the potential to build upon success and that means having a plan with sufficient latitude to cover all the bases. There is not a lot of evidence of that having happened in the past and so I am anticipating a big sea change this window and the next one.
Quote from: toshes mate on August 24, 2020, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 23, 2020, 11:55:58 PM
Scott Parker's job is to keep us up this season with existing players and if we go down get us promoted. But the Recruitment team's first priority is buy players thinking 2 to 5 years in advance and their second priority is to fill any gaps for this season with loans.
I think Parker's job is currently to ensure that he has what he needs as a squad to consolidate and improve upon what he has achieved already. Recruitment need to be on that exact same wavelength as Parker because nothing is ever certain in football whether it is success/failure measured by the second or by the decade. Senior Club personnel were well warned about how fickle success can be in 2018 and a repeat this time around will suggest that something is very wrong with personnel in the upper echelons of the Club. I would hope that when Parker and Khan Junior discuss things it isn't just about the here and now but also covers the potential to build upon success and that means having a plan with sufficient latitude to cover all the bases. There is not a lot of evidence of that having happened in the past and so I am anticipating a big sea change this window and the next one.
The Manager should never do the recruitment, the conflict of interest is too great and clubs that do it typically fail to plan long-term like Fulham did from 2009 to 2015. Predictably, managers have to achieve success in the next six months to two years, but they invest in players over five seasons. So they invest in players that deliver over the next two years, even if there are doubts over the player to deliver for the duration of their contract say four years.
If a manager was given £42m to buy players, then research shows managers tend to choose older players like Coleman £10m, Luiz £8m, Cahill £6m, Fernandinho £8m, Giroud £8m and maybe a youngest like Robinson for £2m too, because top older players will virtually guarantee a club to stay up for one season, but it will cause him begging for a fresh injection of talent the next season just to stay up again and once a squad like that goes down it will not return.
Parker needs to focus on his immediate goals which are important and must provide input into the longer-term direction of the club, but Parker must either be the manager for the season or the director of football for five seasons doing both is a disaster. Imagine Coleman, Luis, Cahill, and Robinson as our backline in four years it would be terrible.
If the Manager does the buying we are much more likely to stay up, but if we go down FFP will cut our budget and we cannot reinforce, so we will stay down forever. The effect of DOF is more likely to be a bit of a yo-yo club, that achieves a better longer term outcome than manager buying player as he has a five year focus.
Probably the only thing Shahid Khan knows about football is how bad not having an "independent director of football" and our financial results have benefited as we are passing FFP something MAF would have never been able to do.
Despite all the money people say we wasted, in the premier league season that Tony Khan was in charge we only lost £20m (i.e. 20% of TV revenue for that season), which is better than Tiganas's first season in the premier league with £33m of losses (i.e. 150% of TV revenue for that season).
Tony Khan is a far better DOF financial than Tigana ever was already based on past financial performance. So let's continue with the current method with a little bit better advice on players from his recruitment advisors particularly medical advisors, which I guess he was planning to do anyway.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2020, 09:15:52 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on August 23, 2020, 07:03:50 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2020, 03:07:02 PM
The worst scenario is that we will not be cannon fodder like before, and the dressing room atmosphere and team spirit will be positive as opposed to negative.
Providing we can resolve the current situation at LCB, RB and Harrison Reed as well as another striker.
We have no need to fear the worst. The good situation is that we are very much in the underdogs bracket, so no pressure, and we will be quite capable of picking up points against the Arsenals of this world.
But we do need reinforcements and every single player on the pitch has to be as one.
We should always fear the worst. It's okay really. Getting relegated from the Premier League is not the worse that can happen. There is worse than that in football.
If we play without fear, not only would players play with a lot more confidence but it will also be a springboard to enable Fulham to embrace a system of play that will encourage Fulham to play to their strengths which inevitably will strengthen Fulhams resolve in being the goveners during a game and not just a fight for survival.
I am talking about the fans and not the team. Of course the team should play with confidence and joy.