Burnley has drawn the last 5 at home,
Newcastle has won 1, drawn 1 and lost 3 away from home.
Feels like a draw is on the cards, good result for both of them...
Quote from: We Are Premier League on April 11, 2021, 09:48:38 AM
Feels like a draw is on the cards, good result for both of them...
Yep, we will find out if Newcastle are feeling the pressure, a 'must win game for them'. Burnely aren't 'out of the woods just yet'.
Absolutely no pressure on Newcastle:
2 games in hand
3 points ahead
Playing much better than Fulham
And lets finally admit it - we are crap and deserve to be relegated
Quote from: 3 Cherries on April 11, 2021, 09:59:26 AM
Absolutely no pressure on Newcastle:
2 games in hand
3 points ahead
Playing much better than Fulham
And lets finally admit it - we are crap and deserve to be relegated
That's your opinion, which is fine. Lucky Roy Hodgson didn't think like that, I don't think Parker or the players are thinking like that. We had games in hand, we know what happened with the games in hand.
Like Bamford, I never thought Vydra would play in the top flight.
Quote from: SP on April 11, 2021, 12:11:28 PM
Like Bamford, I never thought Vydra would play in the top flight.
He's just scored.
I think Burnley kind of highlight where we went wrong squad depth wise. Look at the array of average strikers they have. That's not a disrespect to them. They know they probably aren't going to get the best in the business but know they need hard working, strong, athletic front men who don't necessarily have the best goals ratio but know if even one of them hits a stride, they'll score a few goals. Spread that out to Wood, Rodriguez, Barnes and Vydra, you have a lineup that will likely just about score enough to keep you in the league. Just highlights, and this is a positive comment on Parker, that clearly, the squad he received at start of season to now, was very imbalanced.
Yeeees
Burnley 1 up. I know it's desperate but come on Burnley!
If Newcastle lose all their remaining games we stay up
I mean if neither us or Newcastle pick up any more points between now and the our last match, we probably both deserve to go down!
Both teams actually trying to get players in the box, and getting to the byline as well. Who would have thought that could be successful tactically?
Appalling refereeing , player kicked on the back of the leg in pen area —- no free kick or pen
Player just a touch 2 mins later , near touch line —- couldn't wait to give free kick
Just outside Newcastle pent area player a ncl player stands still Burnley player turns and touches the standing leg — free kick
( what's the defender supposed to do get out of his way to let him score)
The high kick clearance in Burnley pen area When I was refereeing it was classes as dangerous play should be indirect free kick. ——- var involved and ref nothing at all given. Absolutely diabolical . Far too old now but makes me wish I never gave it up —— in 1974.
Quote from: Baszab on April 11, 2021, 12:32:57 PM
If Newcastle lose all their remaining games we stay up
Don't forget WBA
Quote from: bobbo on April 11, 2021, 12:52:14 PM
Appalling refereeing , player kicked on the back of the leg in pen area —- no free kick or pen
Player just a touch 2 mins later , near touch line —- couldn't wait to give free kick
Just outside Newcastle pent area player a ncl player stands still Burnley player turns and touches the standing leg — free kick
( what's the defender supposed to do get out of his way to let him score)
The high kick clearance in Burnley pen area When I was refereeing it was classes as dangerous play should be indirect free kick. ——- var involved and ref nothing at all given. Absolutely diabolical . Far too old now but makes me wish I never gave it up —— in 1974.
VAR can't check high kicks because result would have been an indirect free kick - not within VAR remit
I've been really impressed with Burnley's corners. Every single one is threatening
Lost count of Burnley corners
1 1
Quote from: Caedal on April 11, 2021, 01:08:44 PM
I've been really impressed with Burnley's corners. Every single one is threatening
Yes, their delivery is good and their players attack the ball. I wish we had similar threat but we usually fail to beat the near post defender who heads it away...
FFS 1-1
The speed of these two teams' play make FFC offensive tactics look like walking football
2-1 to Newcastle. Great goal by st maximin to be fair
That's us relegated. Cheers Burnley.
Ouch
no doubt were down if we cant even put ourselves in a position to make the final match mater.
That's us down. Newcastle miles better than us going forward. Getting Wilson and Saint-Maxim back gives them so much more up front
Still 24 minutes to go.
Quote from: 3 Cherries on April 11, 2021, 09:59:26 AM
Absolutely no pressure on Newcastle:
2 games in hand
3 points ahead
Playing much better than Fulham
And lets finally admit it - we are crap and deserve to be relegated
Not arithmetically I know but to all intense and purposes we are relegated and thoroughly deserve to be.
We had 4 opportunities to get ourselves above Newcastle and didn't take any of them. Sadly Newcastle hung on and now will pull clear of us. Barring an absolute miracle that's our season finished.
Nice in a way for them to take any hope away, lessens the frustration when we lose the last 6.
#HoweIn
Quote from: Caedal on April 11, 2021, 01:26:35 PM
That's us down. Newcastle miles better than us going forward. Getting Wilson and Saint-Maxim back gives them so much more up front
The through ball from Shelvey to Saint-Maxim was what we are lacking. Our midfielders would have been looking to pass that back or sideways
This is truly game over for us. Prepare for the Championship.
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on April 11, 2021, 01:44:13 PM
This is truly game over for us. Prepare for the Championship.
Tony will be rubbing his hands and getting his stat machine fired up [emoji49]
Not sure what happened to us in the last 3 games - our performance level went right down. Zero points from 3 mid table teams - it's cost us.......
Aside from the higher tempo, one key thing both these below average Premier League teams do is play the the ball forward far more than we do. We are are too often playing on the back foot and the allowing the opposition to get back into position by playing so many backward passes.
I think even if we miraculously stay up - my call would be to get rid of Parker.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on April 11, 2021, 01:46:28 PM
Not sure what happened to us in the last 3 games - our performance level went right down. Zero points from 3 mid table teams - it's cost us.......
I've given up on blaming individuals. Just blame Tony, Scott and the players.
Even if we got to the last game needing to beat Newcastle to stay up, does anyone seriously think we could. I doubt we'll even beat Burnley.
It's the hope that kills....better this way so we know what we are doing. After all, as has been said, we had our chance for several games and did nothing to help ourselves.
Let's hope the optimists on this board are right, and we are a yo-yo club. I remember '69 when the riverside terrace had the flags of the first division clubs flown in order of position. "We'll keep the flags", said the management when were relegated to the then second division "we won't be in the second division long....".
The history books tell the remainder of the story...
Feeling very down watching Newcastle pull 6 points clear effectively slamming in the final nail.
Someone else has said " We are a Championship side" that occasionally plays with our emotions.
In our history we reached two major cup finals both of which we have lost.
What's that saying about abandoning all hope.
Full time.... that's it
This might at least might put the WBA gonna stay up madness to an end.
Time to really focus on some prem quality players prepared to play championship football, trying to do what Newcastle did when they were relegated with the aim of not having to loan loads of players if we do get promoted again
A disastrous result for us. :doh:
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We can't rely on ourselves to pick up points, so it's irrelevant what every one else does.
and its goodnight from us...
We can't keep expecting other teams to lose, it's our own fault, we've had the chances in the last few games and bottled it, if we would have won on Friday it would have piled the pressure on Newcastle instead they knew they could take a huge step towards survival and unlike us took it!
So, Newcastle likely to reach 35 points by the last game of the season (assuming they beat Sheffield United and lose all the others).
We 'only' need to beat Burnley and Southampton to reach that target. Alternatively, we could win one of those and get a miraculous win at Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd. Unfortunately, I just cannot see either scenario happening to be honest - I think more likely that Newcastle will pick up another couple of points elsewhere.
Also, only one goal now divides the teams with goal difference - so no longer as straightforward as being 3 points behind with one to play.
newcastle hasve two top quality forwards and we have none. when they came on they turned todays game.
they have had a ridiculously poor season with internal strife bit in the end you have to have players of the appropriate quality throught the team and a management that is headed by professionals and not a mickey mouse amateur. parker had no chance this season.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on April 11, 2021, 01:46:28 PM
Not sure what happened to us in the last 3 games - our performance level went right down. Zero points from 3 mid table teams - it's cost us.......
We had an unbeaten run of 6 / 7 matches, then lost to Man City, then have lost against Leeds, Villa and Wolves. After Man City we should had a continuation of the prior unbeaten run.
At this moment I am really fed up, it looks like Newcastle can do what we can't which is score goals. Their next 4 games are tough but so are ours, no matter who we play no one gives us a chance.
Scotty will have to change something but not sure he can and we don't have the players to do it anyway.
Quote from: Rambler on April 11, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
Time to really focus on some prem quality players prepared to play championship football, trying to do what Newcastle did when they were relegated with the aim of not having to loan loads of players if we do get promoted again
A very good example of the way forward. They, Wolves (an exceptional case because of Mendes link) & Leeds show how important it is to have a core 7/8 of your own players who are Prem standard. I'm optimistic by nature probably but last summer's mass recruitment at least showed a scouting team with some nous. I don't know how many loanees will stay - I'd like Aina to stay - and with monies from Zambo & a few others we might be able to create a 'Newcastle' next year. By the way have a look at our U23 highlights v Villa. They like attacking & scoring. I'd forgotten the joys of it :003:
Yeah if it wasn't already done it is now after that result. I think we will get 3 or 4 more points this season which would not be enough anyway. Start planning for the championship. Decide if Scott stays or goes, which players we need, release the loan players, clear out the dead wood and get rebuilding asap to start the season well.
Do you honestly think that there is anyone at FFC that is going to start "planning" FOR 2021/22
There wasn't even a plan when we went up
The only thing TK did was to go thru the players available on loan around Europe and decide on a few
That wasn't squad planning
We are now in a worse position than last relegation - and with a huge white elephant of a stand to finance - what on earth can be the Khans' exit plan ?
Can we sack Parker now?
Quote from: Nero on April 11, 2021, 02:53:00 PM
Can we sack Parker now?
Absolutely, but only if we can sack some "supporters" too. Feel free to follow Scott out the door if he goes.
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Newcastle are 6 points ahead and have 1 game ahead, they play West Ham next Saturday. If they lose and we beat Arsenal on Sunday, then they will be 3 points ahead with 1 game in hand. So providing those scenarios happen I am still optimistic.
Parker has been safe with tactics, we really need to play to our strengths.
I've been trying to tell you all for weeks that Newcastle wouldn't be going down, would anyone listen , no !
They've got goals all over the pitch and were always going to have too much for us,
At least now some of the nonsense that gets posted on here can stop now, and thoughts can turn to the job in hand this summer, and the massive rebuild needed to make us competitive over 46 games next season,
As I keep saying we are a million miles away from being either the next Norwich or Watford.
So no pressure now. Parker should tell the team to go out and play for their pride and just enjoy themselves. Speed of releasing the ball when attacking is the key, though I fear it is too late now.
Quote from: Tempest on April 11, 2021, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: Nero on April 11, 2021, 02:53:00 PM
Quote from: Tempest on April 11, 2021, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: Nero on April 11, 2021, 02:53:00 PM
Can we sack Parker now?
Absolutely, but only if we can sack some "supporters" too. Feel free to follow Scott out the door if he goes.
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Why should we, Parker as player for Fulham relegated Parker as Manager Relegated hes not good for this club went to Spurs as soon a s he could. Only just got us promoted with his dire sideways football. Hope he goes to somewhere else and then you can see how poor manager he is
Can we sack Parker now?
Absolutely, but only if we can sack some "supporters" too. Feel free to follow Scott out the door if he goes.
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Why would I want to follow him to see more dire football severed up.
Quote from: rebel on April 11, 2021, 03:07:05 PM
Newcastle are 6 points ahead and have 1 game ahead, they play West Ham next Saturday. If they lose and we beat Arsenal on Sunday, then they will be 3 points ahead with 1 game in hand. So providing those scenarios happen I am still optimistic.
Parker has been safe with tactics, we really need to play to our strengths.
Tactics have been inept.... safety thrown away
Quote from: Texas White on April 11, 2021, 03:14:01 PM
Quote from: rebel on April 11, 2021, 03:07:05 PM
Newcastle are 6 points ahead and have 1 game ahead, they play West Ham next Saturday. If they lose and we beat Arsenal on Sunday, then they will be 3 points ahead with 1 game in hand. So providing those scenarios happen I am still optimistic.
Parker has been safe with tactics, we really need to play to our strengths.
Tactics have been inept.... safety thrown away
Should read too safe with tactics.
Quote from: Baszab on April 11, 2021, 02:27:55 PM
Do you honestly think that there is anyone at FFC that is going to start "planning" FOR 2021/22
There wasn't even a plan when we went up
The only thing TK did was to go thru the players available on loan around Europe and decide on a few
That wasn't squad planning
We are now in a worse position than last relegation - and with a huge white elephant of a stand to finance - what on earth can be the Khans' exit plan ?
Thankfully we don't have to worry whether it's a huge white elephant or not. Hopefully also Khan doesn't have an exit strategy. If he has we are all well and truly shafted
Need a miracle to stay up. But football is a funny old game, well unless your relegated of course :012:
Quote from: JimOG on April 11, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
Quote from: Rambler on April 11, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
Time to really focus on some prem quality players prepared to play championship football, trying to do what Newcastle did when they were relegated with the aim of not having to loan loads of players if we do get promoted again
A very good example of the way forward. They, Wolves (an exceptional case because of Mendes link) & Leeds show how important it is to have a core 7/8 of your own players who are Prem standard. I'm optimistic by nature probably but last summer's mass recruitment at least showed a scouting team with some nous. I don't know how many loanees will stay - I'd like Aina to stay - and with monies from Zambo & a few others we might be able to create a 'Newcastle' next year. By the way have a look at our U23 highlights v Villa. They like attacking & scoring. I'd forgotten the joys of it :003:
I disagree on Leeds, they didn't have 7/8 players who are Prem standard, they've had coaching (and conditioning) that has made 6 or 7 players Prem Standard that they've supplemented with quality signings this year. The likes of Ayling, Alioski, Dallas, Bamford, Kilch etc were nothing more than decent Championship players before Bielsa and his team.
What they've done is a very different thing.
Quote from: itombomb on April 11, 2021, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: JimOG on April 11, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
Quote from: Rambler on April 11, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
Time to really focus on some prem quality players prepared to play championship football, trying to do what Newcastle did when they were relegated with the aim of not having to loan loads of players if we do get promoted again
A very good example of the way forward. They, Wolves (an exceptional case because of Mendes link) & Leeds show how important it is to have a core 7/8 of your own players who are Prem standard. I'm optimistic by nature probably but last summer's mass recruitment at least showed a scouting team with some nous. I don't know how many loanees will stay - I'd like Aina to stay - and with monies from Zambo & a few others we might be able to create a 'Newcastle' next year. By the way have a look at our U23 highlights v Villa. They like attacking & scoring. I'd forgotten the joys of it :003:
I disagree on Leeds, they didn't have 7/8 players who are Prem standard, they've had coaching (and conditioning) that has made 6 or 7 players Prem Standard that they've supplemented with quality signings this year. The likes of Ayling, Alioski, Dallas, Bamford, Kilch etc were nothing more than decent Championship players before Bielsa and his team.
What they've done is a very different thing.
Leeds game is all about their fitness levels, they do drills at half-time. That allows them to attack as a unit. Just look at the number of players that are in the opposition half when they break.
Quote from: itombomb on April 11, 2021, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: JimOG on April 11, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
Quote from: Rambler on April 11, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
Time to really focus on some prem quality players prepared to play championship football, trying to do what Newcastle did when they were relegated with the aim of not having to loan loads of players if we do get promoted again
A very good example of the way forward. They, Wolves (an exceptional case because of Mendes link) & Leeds show how important it is to have a core 7/8 of your own players who are Prem standard. I'm optimistic by nature probably but last summer's mass recruitment at least showed a scouting team with some nous. I don't know how many loanees will stay - I'd like Aina to stay - and with monies from Zambo & a few others we might be able to create a 'Newcastle' next year. By the way have a look at our U23 highlights v Villa. They like attacking & scoring. I'd forgotten the joys of it :003:
I disagree on Leeds, they didn't have 7/8 players who are Prem standard, they've had coaching (and conditioning) that has made 6 or 7 players Prem Standard that they've supplemented with quality signings this year. The likes of Ayling, Alioski, Dallas, Bamford, Kilch etc were nothing more than decent Championship players before Bielsa and his team.
What they've done is a very different thing.
Totally agree with that - it's the difference that a good manager can make. Jokanovic did the same for us two years in a row in the Championship - the team was really good, that all individual parts looked better than they actually were.
Quote from: rebel on April 11, 2021, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: itombomb on April 11, 2021, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: JimOG on April 11, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
Quote from: Rambler on April 11, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
Time to really focus on some prem quality players prepared to play championship football, trying to do what Newcastle did when they were relegated with the aim of not having to loan loads of players if we do get promoted again
A very good example of the way forward. They, Wolves (an exceptional case because of Mendes link) & Leeds show how important it is to have a core 7/8 of your own players who are Prem standard. I'm optimistic by nature probably but last summer's mass recruitment at least showed a scouting team with some nous. I don't know how many loanees will stay - I'd like Aina to stay - and with monies from Zambo & a few others we might be able to create a 'Newcastle' next year. By the way have a look at our U23 highlights v Villa. They like attacking & scoring. I'd forgotten the joys of it :003:
I disagree on Leeds, they didn't have 7/8 players who are Prem standard, they've had coaching (and conditioning) that has made 6 or 7 players Prem Standard that they've supplemented with quality signings this year. The likes of Ayling, Alioski, Dallas, Bamford, Kilch etc were nothing more than decent Championship players before Bielsa and his team.
What they've done is a very different thing.
Leeds game is all about their fitness levels, they do drills at half-time. That allows them to attack as a unit. Just look at the number of players that are in the opposition half when they break.
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/its-that-strict-leeds-united-youngster-details-marcelo-bielsas-intense-elland-road-fitness-regime-3189813
So we are in agreement that Parker is not good enough.
Quote from: itombomb on April 11, 2021, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: JimOG on April 11, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
Quote from: Rambler on April 11, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
Time to really focus on some prem quality players prepared to play championship football, trying to do what Newcastle did when they were relegated with the aim of not having to loan loads of players if we do get promoted again
A very good example of the way forward. They, Wolves (an exceptional case because of Mendes link) & Leeds show how important it is to have a core 7/8 of your own players who are Prem standard. I'm optimistic by nature probably but last summer's mass recruitment at least showed a scouting team with some nous. I don't know how many loanees will stay - I'd like Aina to stay - and with monies from Zambo & a few others we might be able to create a 'Newcastle' next year. By the way have a look at our U23 highlights v Villa. They like attacking & scoring. I'd forgotten the joys of it :003:
I disagree on Leeds, they didn't have 7/8 players who are Prem standard, they've had coaching (and conditioning) that has made 6 or 7 players Prem Standard that they've supplemented with quality signings this year. The likes of Ayling, Alioski, Dallas, Bamford, Kilch etc were nothing more than decent Championship players before Bielsa and his team.
What they've done is a very different thing.
That's just your opinion though, other people may think they were, it also does not mean that Bielsa has made them better players, he has found a system and style of play that works, next season it may not.
Again it's all about opinions, we have supporters that say a particular play is world class, and others say the same player is rubbish.
Quote from: alfie on April 11, 2021, 04:50:04 PM
Quote from: itombomb on April 11, 2021, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: JimOG on April 11, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
Quote from: Rambler on April 11, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
Time to really focus on some prem quality players prepared to play championship football, trying to do what Newcastle did when they were relegated with the aim of not having to loan loads of players if we do get promoted again
A very good example of the way forward. They, Wolves (an exceptional case because of Mendes link) & Leeds show how important it is to have a core 7/8 of your own players who are Prem standard. I'm optimistic by nature probably but last summer's mass recruitment at least showed a scouting team with some nous. I don't know how many loanees will stay - I'd like Aina to stay - and with monies from Zambo & a few others we might be able to create a 'Newcastle' next year. By the way have a look at our U23 highlights v Villa. They like attacking & scoring. I'd forgotten the joys of it :003:
I disagree on Leeds, they didn't have 7/8 players who are Prem standard, they've had coaching (and conditioning) that has made 6 or 7 players Prem Standard that they've supplemented with quality signings this year. The likes of Ayling, Alioski, Dallas, Bamford, Kilch etc were nothing more than decent Championship players before Bielsa and his team.
What they've done is a very different thing.
That's just your opinion though, other people may think they were, it also does not mean that Bielsa has made them better players, he has found a system and style of play that works, next season it may not.
Again it's all about opinions, we have supporters that say a particular play is world class, and others say the same player is rubbish.
He also keeps to his best 11 at every opportunity. I'd love to see the number of matches his best 11 has played this season.
If leeds had 6/7 premier quality player 1. I like to know who and 2. Why did it take them so long to get promoted.
It's down to coaching and working as a team and know where players are going to be. Parker had it to a tee when we beat them 1-0 then seems to have for got about it