I know I'm going to get some stick, but I'll say it anyway. People keep harking about events that took place 40 odd years ago - get over it! Todays game is totally different now. Although it may be the club owner/s deserved nothing less that points deduction, but to be fair to the fans; they are just like us - hard working people who support their club and fork out good money to do so. I think some support for their travelling supporters would be nice. Remember it wasn't that long we ourselves almost our club altogether.
Having said that I still want to beat them.
We are lucky to have such a fantastic team at the moment. Best to put it aside and move on. Its not the first or last time that people were on the pitch before the game was over.
First of all we as a Humans hold grudges. Don't forget the dislike for Germany, Argentina and France.
Then there is the simple fact that Derby fans kicked and assaulted players and fans and were never brought to book.
But I tend to agree. Let's not forget that these things happened. But I think holding grudges becomes pointless. Especially when time has passed.
Quote from: shepperton white on November 24, 2021, 11:38:32 AM
I think some support for their travelling supporters
I'm not out to give you stick as such shepperton, all I ask is you goon you tube and watch the 11 minute clip of what happened that day , I was there sitting next to Gerry Peytons wife.
I know some areableto forgive and forget , but I just can't , it's stuck with me since.
I was at the baseball ground that day and it was terrible and nobody was held to account.
It was a scandalous disgrace.
But it was 40 years ago and football was very different then with hooliganism a regular feature. the game on the day was a feature of third rate management of the game and its problems.
I have no ill will toward the current set of fans and feel that the authorities have dealt them a ridiculously rotten hand I do not know all the details but I think the authorities also have much to answer for.
I wish them luck but only after tonight.
Alg
Quote from: ALG01 on November 24, 2021, 12:55:39 PM
I was at the baseball ground that day and it was terrible and nobody was held to account.
It was a scandalous disgrace.
But it was 40 years ago and football was very different then with hooliganism a regular feature. the game on the day was a feature of third rate management of the game and its problems.
I have no ill will toward the current set of fans and feel that the authorities have dealt them a ridiculously rotten hand I do not know all the details but I think the authorities also have much to answer for.
I wish them luck but only after tonight.
alg I respect your opinion and even I am mellowing just a little bit , mainly because there won't be too many from that day still going. For what it's worth I also sympathise with them re their recent punishment . Talk about kicked in the teeth when you're down .
That match should of been played again, it would if it happened today. You had fans pitch side interfering with play, they even kicked the ball.
It was a disgrace it happened.
Quote from: shepperton white on November 24, 2021, 11:38:32 AM
I know I'm going to get some stick, but I'll say it anyway. People keep harking about events that took place 40 odd years ago - get over it!
some of is remember 40 years ago far easier than what we did yesterday
While agree the events at the Baseball ground was an absolutely discrace, the fault lies mainly with then FA for not taking strong action at the time. Today, with all-seater stadia in the top two leagues and stronger rules I think much less likely to occur. Chances are that the majority of current Rams supporters don't even know about that event or even the mudbath that was the old Baseball ground
When I read threads like this it's all so easy to identify those that were there that day (as I was) and those that weren't,
What should we have next, a Gillingham fans appreciation thread?
I hope we win 5 nil and their supporters coach breaks down, the more suffering the better.
Quote from: whitejc on November 24, 2021, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: shepperton white on November 24, 2021, 11:38:32 AM
I know I'm going to get some stick, but I'll say it anyway. People keep harking about events that took place 40 odd years ago - get over it!
some of is remember 40 years ago far easier than what we did yesterday
:plus one:
A lot of water has assed under the bridge since that dreadful match at the baseball ground and I guess it is timeto think of other things.
An apology from Derby would have helped a lot though.
Quote from: Riversider on November 24, 2021, 01:57:49 PM
When I read threads like this it's all so easy to identify those that were there that day (as I was) and those that weren't,
What should we have next, a Gillingham fans appreciation thread?
I hope we win 5 nil and their supporters coach breaks down, the more suffering the better.
me and you would get on 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: bobbo on November 24, 2021, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: Riversider on November 24, 2021, 01:57:49 PM
When I read threads like this it's all so easy to identify those that were there that day (as I was) and those that weren't,
What should we have next, a Gillingham fans appreciation thread?
I hope we win 5 nil and their supporters coach breaks down, the more suffering the better.
me and you would get on 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I am sure you would get on. But it doesn't make it healthy. How far do we want to go back? I experienced an awful medical blunder so should I hate all doctors. Or just English ones? Or if I am hit by a lorry driver do I hate all lorry drivers? If we keep this childish hatred do we hate those children of Derby fans who were there. The point is hating is very easy. That is why we have wars and we have racism. Should I hate all Gillingham fans because of what some of them did? Still you are probably in the majority which is why we live in the type of society that needs people to be taught that we are not all the same. Now I am off to shout abuse at a German kid. Let's keep those grudges going.
This article suggests that both Derby and Leicester supported the game being replayed:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/that-1980s-sports-blog/2018/may/03/fulham-promotion-leicester-derby-football-league
Although a fair few ignorant, opinionated burks saying otherwise in the comments.
I do remember that Graham Kelly always came across as a totally ignorant and unpleasant ****hole and no more so than in the aftermath of this game.
Hmm, we were pelted from above with all sorts (coins, drinks, spit) and people got injuries.
Then we were attacked in the car park attempting to get on the coach and then stones thrown at the coach!
Then the FA did FA about it and no replay as we expected!
I find it not so easy to forgive and forget!
I wasn't at that fateful game, but I remember, much more recently, Derby fans trying hard to get to our fans, who were celebrating on the pitch, after the Play-off semi-final - police had to draw batons to hold them back.
I noticed the one I'd made eye contact from where I was in the Riverside, next to the Putney End, and who'd kept gesturing towards me, and he was right in the front of the mob - and I'd obviously made sure I celebrated our brilliant victory.
On the other hand, my good mate Ken, in the late 60's at college up north, was a mad Derby fan, with his Rams mug, etc, and you couldn't meet a nicer bloke.
So, I'm sure most Derby fans are decent people, but they have their yob element, like most clubs - even we used to, though you couldn't imagine those events at the Cottage, and i fully understand the hostility towards Derby and their fans that still exists, but most of their fans are just like us.
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 24, 2021, 02:37:02 PM
Quote from: bobbo on November 24, 2021, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: Riversider on November 24, 2021, 01:57:49 PM
When I read threads like this it's all so easy to identify those that were there that day (as I was) and those that weren't,
What should we have next, a Gillingham fans appreciation thread?
I hope we win 5 nil and their supporters coach breaks down, the more suffering the better.
me and you would get on 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I am sure you would get on. But it doesn't make it healthy. How far do we want to go back? I experienced an awful medical blunder so should I hate all doctors. Or just English ones? Or if I am hit by a lorry driver do I hate all lorry drivers? If we keep this childish hatred do we hate those children of Derby fans who were there. The point is hating is very easy. That is why we have wars and we have racism. Should I hate all Gillingham fans because of what some of them did? Still you are probably in the majority which is why we live in the type of society that needs people to be taught that we are not all the same. Now I am off to shout abuse at a German kid. Let's keep those grudges going.
lighthouse , you've gone too far over the top there mate. If you knew me or even met me for 1/2 an houryou'd realise what you've described is far from what's me. Firstly I've never in any of my posts used the very childish and immature word " hate" for me that's a playground word . I was there that day you probably wasn't it was quite frightening at times . I was priviliged to be on a coach with quite a few of players wives and relations even that was under fire. But for the police we would have been in trouble.
Forget Derby and the Germans. I've still got the ache with the Normans!
Quote from: rebel on November 24, 2021, 01:23:03 PM
That match should of been played again, it would if it happened today. You had fans pitch side interfering with play, they even kicked the ball.
While what happened was unacceptable, it didn't cost us promotion in my opinion; we threw that away ourselves with a string of below-par performances on the road in the latter half of the season (including Derby - watching us that day, if you didn't know, you'd never have guessed we had anything to play for, so tame was our performance.)
What damaged us most, in my opinion, were lamentable away defeats against, supposedly, inferior opponents such as Oldham, Cambridge and Burnley. In April, at Sheffield Wednesday, we netted a somewhat unmerited equaliser with just a few minutes remaining - only to chuck away our slice of good fortune when we conceded again in the last minute. And whilst our home form held up throughout our slide out of the promotion places, we lost the game that mattered the most: Leicester. The pitch invasion and subsequent abandonment at Derby merely served to shift attention away from the real travesty: our end-of-season collapse.
At face value, it's easy to blame the F.A, but the consequences of replaying the game stretched beyond ourselves and Derby. Leicester would have had reason to be aggrieved at being denied promotion when they, too, had done nothing wrong. The circumstances of the original match simply could not be replicated. For a start, other results meant defeat could not now relegate Derby. Secondly, Leicester, who needed to win only if we won (and drew 0-0 with Burnley that day), would, presumably, had we been winning, have done even more than they did to try to win their game.
Although, therefore, we suffered the injustice of the final minutes being blighted by sporadic interruptions from fans and of losing 78 seconds completely, we were losing - not even drawing - a game we had to win. Perhaps the F.A. believed an even greater injustice would have been heaped on Leicester, had we been able to go back to the Baseball Ground, knowing now promotion was in our own hands, with the scoreline reset to 0-0 and with a whole 90 minutes ahead of us in which to win against opponents who were no longer battling for their own survival.
What did the Roman's ever do for us
I wasn't at the Baseball Ground that day but know people who were and the treatment they received from Derby 'fans' that day sounded disgusting. If I'd experienced it, I'd imagine I'd dislike them to my dieing day.
I'm aware that many of their current fans had nothing to do with the events that day. But for those that are still around who were actively involved, I'm quite glad their club is in the doggy doo. I also hope we stuff them and that they behave themselves in League One.
Quote from: Riversider on November 24, 2021, 01:57:49 PM
When I read threads like this it's all so easy to identify those that were there that day (as I was) and those that weren't,
What should we have next, a Gillingham fans appreciation thread?
I hope we win 5 nil and their supporters coach breaks down, the more suffering the better.
I'm with you Riversider..... but then again Im old and bitter!!!
COYW
Arthur, I'm 100% with you on all you've said there . It was their disgraceful behaviour that keeps me feeling the way I do .
Shame the authorities didn't deal with it.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on November 24, 2021, 03:58:26 PM
What did the Roman's ever do for us
I was there and all I can remember is that they built straight roads so their cohorts could match quicker to battles.
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on November 24, 2021, 04:26:44 PM
Quote from: Riversider on November 24, 2021, 01:57:49 PM
When I read threads like this it's all so easy to identify those that were there that day (as I was) and those that weren't,
What should we have next, a Gillingham fans appreciation thread?
I hope we win 5 nil and their supporters coach breaks down, the more suffering the better.
I'm with you Riversider..... but then again Im old and bitter!!!
COYW
I shall not forget, revenge can be sweet and can be a dish best served cold.
If you wait by the banks of the river Thames long enough, you will watch the bodies of your enemies float by.
So tonight I hope Fulham FC will remind Derby County what a dam good hiding feels like.
What happened that day was disgraceful, I hope we stuff them out of sight.
Quote from: whitejc on November 24, 2021, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: shepperton white on November 24, 2021, 11:38:32 AM
I know I'm going to get some stick, but I'll say it anyway. People keep harking about events that took place 40 odd years ago - get over it!
some of is remember 40 years ago far easier than what we did yesterday
Never a truer word John. Keep up the good work on your daily post, you're a star.
I was there and have disliked them ever since, no reason to change now. I don't dislike any other club as I am not bothered by them, but Derby due to that day deserve all the negative karma going.
3 points please!!!!
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on November 24, 2021, 06:22:05 PM
I was there and have disliked them ever since, no reason to change now. I don't dislike any other club as I am not bothered by them, but Derby due to that day deserve all the negative karma going.
3 points please!!!!
I had a bad car crash in Suffolk. Years ago now and everybody in the car bar me is dead. But I hate Suffolk and everybody with any connections with it.
I don't but it makes as much sense as this thread.
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 24, 2021, 06:31:43 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on November 24, 2021, 06:22:05 PM
I was there and have disliked them ever since, no reason to change now. I don't dislike any other club as I am not bothered by them, but Derby due to that day deserve all the negative karma going.
3 points please!!!!
I had a bad car crash in Suffolk. Years ago now and everybody in the car bar me is dead. But I hate Suffolk and everybody with any connections with it.
I don't but it makes as much sense as this thread.
You can keep making the same nonsensical terrible comparisons all you like, it won't stop the fact that people had an unpleasant experience with Derby and the fans, and so, hold a dislike for them. I'm also pretty sure these same people are civil to say work colleagues or people they know who support Derby, just don't wish the club prosperity.
Grudges?
When are you lot going to pay for burning the White House?
Quote from: YankeeJim on November 24, 2021, 06:40:10 PM
Grudges?
When are you lot going to pay for burning the White House?
:005:
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 24, 2021, 06:34:46 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 24, 2021, 06:31:43 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on November 24, 2021, 06:22:05 PM
I was there and have disliked them ever since, no reason to change now. I don't dislike any other club as I am not bothered by them, but Derby due to that day deserve all the negative karma going.
3 points please!!!!
I had a bad car crash in Suffolk. Years ago now and everybody in the car bar me is dead. But I hate Suffolk and everybody with any connections with it.
I don't but it makes as much sense as this thread.
You can keep making the same nonsensical terrible comparisons all you like, it won't stop the fact that people had an unpleasant experience with Derby and the fans, and so, hold a dislike for them. I'm also pretty sure these same people are civil to say work colleagues or people they know who support Derby, just don't wish the club prosperity.
There is a difference from not wishing them success and prosperity than actually disliking people so much because they happen to support a club that 40 years ago committed a crime that wasn't punished. You can wrap it up as much as you like. But what you and every other poster on this thread is doing is no better than the yob, the racist, the sexist, the National Front Supporter. You are peddling hate against a bunch of people, most of whom are guilty of nothing but supporting a football club. It is you and everybody else on these threads that are being nonsensical. I am embarrassed by it and embarrassed by those who seem to love it and jump on the thread. I am a proud Fulham fan who remembers that day very well. But I am more embarrassed today by you and the fans on this thread then I was by the Derby Fans and football authorities.
Holier than thou eh Lighthouse!
You probably wasn't even there!
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 24, 2021, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 24, 2021, 06:34:46 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 24, 2021, 06:31:43 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on November 24, 2021, 06:22:05 PM
I was there and have disliked them ever since, no reason to change now. I don't dislike any other club as I am not bothered by them, but Derby due to that day deserve all the negative karma going.
3 points please!!!!
I had a bad car crash in Suffolk. Years ago now and everybody in the car bar me is dead. But I hate Suffolk and everybody with any connections with it.
I don't but it makes as much sense as this thread.
You can keep making the same nonsensical terrible comparisons all you like, it won't stop the fact that people had an unpleasant experience with Derby and the fans, and so, hold a dislike for them. I'm also pretty sure these same people are civil to say work colleagues or people they know who support Derby, just don't wish the club prosperity.
There is a difference from not wishing them success and prosperity than actually disliking people so much because they happen to support a club that 40 years ago committed a crime that wasn't punished. You can wrap it up as much as you like. But what you and every other poster on this thread is doing is no better than the yob, the racist, the sexist, the National Front Supporter. You are peddling hate against a bunch of people, most of whom are guilty of nothing but supporting a football club. It is you and everybody else on these threads that are being nonsensical. I am embarrassed by it and embarrassed by those who seem to love it and jump on the thread. I am a proud Fulham fan who remembers that day very well. But I am more embarrassed today by you and the fans on this thread then I was by the Derby Fans and football authorities.
Another laughable post. I just read this entire thread again and the worst thing someone said was hoping the fans bus breaks down. The absolute humility people!!!!!
I know your one for sensationalist posts but I'm sure I speak for many people when I say, that post was utterly embarrassing even for the you, so well done on topping that achievement. WHats even more laughable, I wasn't there that day, and I don't hold the same grudges others do. In fact, I have family who support them and I literally have no issue with them. I just don't like sanctimonious whelps who can;t handle one person not liking another because you think its time they let go. Get over yourself.
So yeh, I could care less of your precious feelings of embarrassment. You can quite frankly, shove it.
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 24, 2021, 07:03:57 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 24, 2021, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on November 24, 2021, 06:34:46 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 24, 2021, 06:31:43 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on November 24, 2021, 06:22:05 PM
I was there and have disliked them ever since, no reason to change now. I don't dislike any other club as I am not bothered by them, but Derby due to that day deserve all the negative karma going.
3 points please!!!!
I had a bad car crash in Suffolk. Years ago now and everybody in the car bar me is dead. But I hate Suffolk and everybody with any connections with it.
I don't but it makes as much sense as this thread.
You can keep making the same nonsensical terrible comparisons all you like, it won't stop the fact that people had an unpleasant experience with Derby and the fans, and so, hold a dislike for them. I'm also pretty sure these same people are civil to say work colleagues or people they know who support Derby, just don't wish the club prosperity.
There is a difference from not wishing them success and prosperity than actually disliking people so much because they happen to support a club that 40 years ago committed a crime that wasn't punished. You can wrap it up as much as you like. But what you and every other poster on this thread is doing is no better than the yob, the racist, the sexist, the National Front Supporter. You are peddling hate against a bunch of people, most of whom are guilty of nothing but supporting a football club. It is you and everybody else on these threads that are being nonsensical. I am embarrassed by it and embarrassed by those who seem to love it and jump on the thread. I am a proud Fulham fan who remembers that day very well. But I am more embarrassed today by you and the fans on this thread then I was by the Derby Fans and football authorities.
Another laughable post. I just read this entire thread again and the worst thing someone said was hoping the fans bus breaks down. The absolute humility people!!!!!
I know your one for sensationalist posts but I'm sure I speak for many people when I say, that post was utterly embarrassing even for the you, so well done on topping that achievement. WHats even more laughable, I wasn't there that day, and I don't hold the same grudges others do. In fact, I have family who support them and I literally have no issue with them. I just don't like sanctimonious whelps who can;t handle one person not liking another because you think its time they let go. Get over yourself.
So yeh, I could care less of your precious feelings of embarrassment. You can quite frankly, shove it.
Well as I suspected. I very grown up reply. Believe me your opinion means as much to me as mine does to you. But as an adult I don't need to ask you to 'shove it' Now calm down before your bed time and enjoy tonight's match.
Quote from: Riversider on November 24, 2021, 01:57:49 PM
When I read threads like this it's all so easy to identify those that were there that day (as I was) and those that weren't,
What should we have next, a Gillingham fans appreciation thread?
I hope we win 5 nil and their supporters coach breaks down, the more suffering the better.
This. Could'nt have put it better myself.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on November 24, 2021, 06:58:03 PM
Holier than thou eh Lighthouse!
You probably wasn't even there!
Yes I am holier than most. Which is why I don't hold 40 year old grudges.
Complains about immature responses. Makes immature response. Couldn't make it up.
They will be rushing down in their droves when they see our team selection tonight!
Quote from: YankeeJim on November 24, 2021, 06:40:10 PM
Grudges?
When are you lot going to pay for burning the White House?
It's thanks to us burning it down that it is called the White House, because of the whitewash they stuck on to hide the scortch marks (allegedly still visible in the basement). So, we provide you with your sole national cultural icon, and this is the thanks we get?
Okay, you have the Statue of Liberty too, but the French gave you that.
And the Grand Canyon, but that was from God, and anyway belongs to the Native Americans, not you lot.
Then there's Las Vegas...Yup, Las Vegas is all your accomplishment, congratulations.
Anyway, the White House is all thanks to us, so you should start showing some gratitude.
And we only set fire to Washington because your lot had set fire to somewhere in Canada first. So it is all your fault after all.
I hope this clears up any misunderstandings.