Semi-final 2nd leg...
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Fulham v Liverpool (Craven Cottage): Wednesday 24th January, 8pm
Confused by the title...
COYW!!
All set. TV warmed up and beer poured. Juventus all over again. Flying home for the Everton game and hope to return for the west London final with Chelsea
Willian came across as a nice lad.
::scarf::
(stomach is in knots...)
strange to see klopp and marco having a right old chinwag before the game. you dont expect that.
my first drink for over a week in front of me. hopefully the last of the night is not to drown sorrows.
I want Leno to play out of his mind. ::scarf::
Well it's a bit more hope than expectation but if we can score first then anything can happen. COYW!
just hope its not one of those dont get hardly any touches on the ball and when we do its straight back to them games.
no stupid early mistakes leading to a goal so the night is over before its begun
all the usual worst case scenarios please, no thank you.
just need plenty of spirit, determination skill and a bit of luck and who knows.
An awful lot of chat and handshakes between the players. Our lads need to all Roy Keane for the next few hours. COYW ::scarf::
hesgoal.one is working for me...
COYW
The black and white flags being waved by the fans in the stands look really good on TV.
flopping early
giving the ball away twice in seconds
Giving the damn ball away too much again.
and again twice!!
well done jimenez
"we are wearing white..."
Really good chance there for us.
Now we are playing
it looks like we need twice as long on the ball as they are allowing us.
even our first bit of controlled possession still led to giving the ball back to them
so close then!!!!
cairney willian to robinson crating a chance for bdr
Great chance for Palhinha.
WE look nervy, keep giving the ball away.
COYW ::scarf::
ahhhhhh
Absolute disaster. Last thing we needed. Massive mountain to climb now. Think Leno should have saved that.
Jedi, nice cross
dammit
never
was castagne at fault then?
Oh no
Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. Bad keeping there.
darn, I am way behind the play
in slo-mo palhinha could have put his foot in and leno could have done better.
double deflection
Don't give up. We gave Juventus a 3 goal lead
Well, that's it. Done and dusted.
Quote from: St Eve on January 24, 2024, 08:15:10 PMDon't give up. We gave Juventus a 3 goal lead
True, but the Juve team we stuffed at the Cottage was a lot weaker than this Liverpool team.
We just have to keep going and try to get a goal before half time. Hopefully Liverpool will think the game is won and take their foot of the gas...
Quote from: Lordedmundo on January 24, 2024, 08:18:44 PMWe just have to keep going and try to get a goal before half time. Hopefully Liverpool will think the game is won and take their foot of the gas...
No sign of that just yet, unfortunately.
If anything it seems to have settled Liverpool and silenced our fans though.
they are going for a stroll in the park.
we cannot give the ball straight back to them
Where are the chants of "Stand Up If You Still Believe"?
About time for them
Castagna ALL over the place. Bring on Tete asap.
But problems are systemic.
dont think palhinha has done one thing right
Ps if Tosin keeps trying to play his way out of trouble then they will no doubt catch him out and score again
Even if we get the ball, Raul is too isolated. Liverpool attackers always have 2-3 teammates nearby
Sorry but our ability to retain the ball has been dreadful thus far this evening. We are just letting them play their game, their way. No pressure on them whatsoever.
palhinha#s not alone pereira may as well not be on the pitch
Quote from: TC's Sporran on January 24, 2024, 08:22:17 PMdont think palhinha has done one thing right
At least Bayern won't want him. ::tongue::
We're hopelessly outclassed at the moment. Their press is too much.
We must raise our game. This is hopeless
We need to get hold of the mid field
Do we need Reed on for Cairney?
cairney willian robinson seems to be our only hope
Quote from: TC's Sporran on January 24, 2024, 08:24:28 PMpalhinha#s not alone pereira may as well not be on the pitch
Indeed - midfield not even in the game at the moment. The only occasional momentum coming from the Antonee and Willian combo down the left. Raul - neat and tidy coming deep to try and get us on the ball, but he is largely isolated.
That's about it...
Quote from: Milo on January 24, 2024, 08:27:29 PMDo we need Reed on for Cairney?
tc is the only one passing the ball with any accuracy
Can't seem to get a foothold in the game at all. Very comfortable for Liverpool so far. Just can't hold onto the ball in the middle of the park.
Quote from: Wingnut on January 24, 2024, 08:28:51 PMCan't seem to get a foothold in the game at all. Very comfortable for Liverpool so far. Just can't hold onto the ball in the middle of the park.
only hope is down the left.
i mean pereira then. is he even awake?
Is BDR playing tonight?
starting to get up the field more frequently but need to not give it away constantly
Quote from: TC's Sporran on January 24, 2024, 08:22:17 PMdont think palhinha has done one thing right
Our chance in this tie disappeared with that aerial shot of his.
again from joao rubbish. too hopeful
i cannot believe the crap passing
Not at the races so far. Some good moments but 2nd to most loose balls.
brilliant tackle
Desperately missing Iwobi's ability to progress the ball. Saw a stat that Willian and Iwobi are our only attacking players better than average at progression. TC is pretty good. Everyone else is below to well below average for their positions. We are way to susceptible to the press and Liverpool is among the best at pressing.
much better play
Quote from: btffc on January 24, 2024, 08:35:40 PMDesperately missing Iwobi's ability to progress the ball. Saw a stat that Willian and Iwobi are our only attacking players better than average at progression. TC is pretty good. Everyone else is below to well below average for their positions. We are way to susceptible to the press and Liverpool is among the best at pressing.
their immense press was what won them all their accolades during klopps early tenure
(i hope that makes sense, my first drink has gone to my head)
Tete on for Castagna at half time.
I'm toying with the idea of taking Andreas off for Wilson and moving Willian to AM/Wilson to LW.
Cairney slows the play down so much
Castagne is having a Torrid time
liverpool targetting castagne with those high balls. he doesnt look comfortable.
Quote from: Andyb on January 24, 2024, 08:40:11 PMCairney slows the play down so much
almost all our best moves cairney has been involved in. you miss that?
Quote from: MisfitKid on January 24, 2024, 08:31:31 PMIs BDR playing tonight?
He might appear after half-time!
Yellow card for what
how the foot is that a foul???
Yellow for that? Corrupt.
Not a card
My 2 cents
1. Paying Liverpool way too much respect
2. The occasion is getting to us
3. Things need to change 2nd half otherwise it was fun whilst it lasted
4. We just just look scared and nervous
Christ, that wasn't even a foul by TC
the sky commentators agree its not even a foul
Not a foul.
Absolute crap. Refs are horrible. There is no way that is even a foul ::angry::
Agree, not even a foul . Yellow card???? More dreadful premier refereeing.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on January 24, 2024, 08:42:33 PMQuote from: Andyb on January 24, 2024, 08:40:11 PMCairney slows the play down so much
almost all our best moves cairney has been involved in. you miss that?
It's such a lazy old trope to keep saying he slows the game down too much. Without his passing we would rarely get forward across the half way line. Ok and also Willian's running out wide.
Diabolical decision!
Lets see us get a decision like that?
Tete for Castagna at half time.
Wilson for Andreas at 70 minutes.
Silva to tell Tosin to stop dribbling past players when he's the last man.
Let's just hope things start to click.
Jimenez is drifting out wide too often.
Why are we so slow at closing the ball down I don't get its back off back off and more backing off.
cheeky from joao
Quote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 08:46:20 PMJimenez is drifting out wide too often.
Agreed. Doesn't attack the six yard box and gamble enough for a CF.
But he's all we've got sadly.. and he's trying hard enough.
Quote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 08:45:37 PMQuote from: TC's Sporran on January 24, 2024, 08:42:33 PMQuote from: Andyb on January 24, 2024, 08:40:11 PMCairney slows the play down so much
almost all our best moves cairney has been involved in. you miss that?
It's such a lazy old trope to keep saying he slows the game down too much. Without his passing we would rarely get forward across the half way line. Ok and also Willian's running out wide.
ok he has no pace as such but he invariably moves the ball on without taking a touch. how the foot is that slowing the game down? we are slowly getting into this game. all is not lost. just yet
Quote from: Milo on January 24, 2024, 08:48:58 PMQuote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 08:46:20 PMJimenez is drifting out wide too often.
Agreed. Doesn't attack the six yard box and gamble enough for a CF.
But he's all we've got sadly.. and he's trying hard enough.
Yes I agree, he's certainly giving his all. It's just not always effort suitably expended.
you would have liked him in the box when robinson crossed to bdr only for their keeper to deny a scoring chance.
Not enough quality overall. We have created a few bits of danger but it hasn't run for us as yet. Liverpool look like they could score again quite easily.
So... Tete and probably Wilson needed at half time.
Castagna and either Andreas/BDR off.
Reed is an option too but not sure who comes off. Do we gamble on the idea that Reed would win more balls in midfield and hence greater possession will lead to more chances.. or do we stick with Cairney the greater playmaker?
Change the lineup don't be so stubborn we need to get BDR off and bring on Harry Wilson
Unfortunately, we need 2 for a draw, extra time Can't see it happening.
Quote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 08:54:57 PMChange the lineup don't be so stubborn we need to get BDR off and bring on Harry Wilson
Have to agree. I'd be tempted to remove Andreas as well for Reed or something. Would leave Castagne on for the time being.
Quote from: Milo on January 24, 2024, 08:48:58 PMQuote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 08:46:20 PMJimenez is drifting out wide too often.
Agreed. Doesn't attack the six yard box and gamble enough for a CF.
But he's all we've got sadly.. and he's trying hard enough.
Drifting wide relative to what? His starting position when we build from the back? He's supposed to do that so he can run into the path of the ball for headers. He's held the ball up for us several times when we needed it the most, so I'm not faulting his position this time.
I'd love it if we could figure out putting pressure on MacAllister or not though. It's destroying our chance of creating more chances because we're left watching Liverpool build up patiently. It's like Marco's hoping they are their downfall by poor key passes, etc.
Makes me really wonder what they worked on all week.
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on January 24, 2024, 08:56:03 PMQuote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 08:54:57 PMChange the lineup don't be so stubborn we need to get BDR off and bring on Harry Wilson
Have to agree. I'd be tempted to remove Andreas as well for Reed or something. Would leave Castagne on for the time being.
We need to score two goals, how does replacing Pereira with Reed help?
Quote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 08:44:23 PMMy 2 cents
1. Paying Liverpool way too much respect
2. The occasion is getting to us
3. Things need to change 2nd half otherwise it was fun whilst it lasted
4. We just just look scared and nervous
Yeah, but those black & white flags looked cool...
I'm not really sure any of the suggested substitutions really make us much more threatening which is a bit of an indictment of our lack of depth. Perhaps Wilson for BDR would give us a bit more pace?
If only we had a triangle on the right as good as we do on the left. Then we'd be far better balanced and carry far greater threat.
To be fair Liverpool have just been too good. Their press is ridiculous and end of the day our players just aren't good enough on the ball generally to cope with it. We broke it a few times and looked dangerous. Pretty much the same as the first leg. Can't fault the effort and Leno hasn't had a save to make really but this looks like the Liverpool of a few years ago and the reason they are top of the league. Sneak a goal however and you just never know. Come on lads...give it all this half.
Face facts, Liverpool are the better team and it looks like another match with our impotent attack not scoring or a single goal at the most.
We are giving them way too much time on the ball, they have the quality to tear us apart with their passing and have raw pace right across the front three.
Need an early goal to get back in this.
Tosin and Palhina did their best after a Castagna **** up to slow down/narrow the angle of the shot. It was then up to Leno to make a fairly routine save.
So disappointing. Liverpool are strolling it and look as though they can score every time they attack. It's got to be a helluva turn around to get back into this. Quite a few of our team are yet to turn up
Game over, will watch the 2nd half 2moro, 2nd best to probably the 2nd best team in the PL and they have not been great! Sad to see we have under performed in the 1st half, think the lads knew the outcome before the kick off as most of us did!
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2024, 09:00:07 PMTo be fair Liverpool have just been too good. Their press is ridiculous and end of the day our players just aren't good enough on the ball generally to cope with it. We broke it a few times and looked dangerous. Pretty much the same as the first leg. Can't fault the effort and Leno hasn't had a save to make really but this looks like the Liverpool of a few years ago and the reason they are top of the league. Sneak a goal however and you just never know. Come on lads...give it all this half.
This is it, they look incredible but they may drop their heads if they suddenly concede. It took us fifteen minutes to recover our composure after conceding.
Quote from: Matt10 on January 24, 2024, 08:57:32 PMQuote from: Milo on January 24, 2024, 08:48:58 PMQuote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 08:46:20 PMJimenez is drifting out wide too often.
Agreed. Doesn't attack the six yard box and gamble enough for a CF.
But he's all we've got sadly.. and he's trying hard enough.
Drifting wide relative to what? His starting position when we build from the back? He's supposed to do that so he can run into the path of the ball for headers. He's held the ball up for us several times when we needed it the most, so I'm not faulting his position this time.
I'd love it if we could figure out putting pressure on MacAllister or not though. It's destroying our chance of creating more chances because we're left watching Liverpool build up patiently. It's like Marco's hoping they are their downfall by poor key passes, etc.
Makes me really wonder what they worked on all week.
Matt I'm not quite sure what you mean by your question, "drifting wide relative to what?". My issue is that as a CF he has to be in a position to either offer a target (not so much his style) or be poised to run onto chances and he can't do either if he's right out on the left or right touchline. We don't need him knocking the ball into the middle, we have other players charged with that task, he has to be in a position to convert opportunities.
We are not out of this. BDR and AP need to raise their game. Willian and Cairney to do what we know they can do. Need to win the second half 2-0. Go for it Fulham
Quote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 08:59:54 PMI'm not really sure any of the suggested substitutions really make us much more threatening which is a bit of an indictment of our lack of depth. Perhaps Wilson for BDR would give us a bit more pace?
If only we had a triangle on the right as good as we do on the left. Then we'd be far better balanced and carry far greater threat.
Wilson does tend to do better off the bench, he doesn't offer much defensively but he has good movement which could help.
Quote from: SG on January 24, 2024, 09:02:48 PMSo disappointing. Liverpool are strolling it and look as though they can score every time they attack. It's got to be a helluva turn around to get back into this. Quite a few of our team are yet to turn up
Sad to watch and can only get worse though they will settle for what they have got, which is a very easy victory!
Quote from: St Eve on January 24, 2024, 09:05:34 PMWe are not out of this. BDR and AP need to raise their game. Willian and Cairney to do what we know they can do. Need to win the second half 2-0. Go for it Fulham
Dream on, sorry! I do hope we make a game of it, but in my wildest dreams cannot see it happening, we will know in about 45 minutes if I can stay awake!
looked like me shooting on goal...
Robinson has had balance issues, keeps falling over or being off balance and getting tackled
Get BDR off seriously get him off
Twig, didnt know Jiminez was even playing along with a couple of other of our players, hardly seen them or heard them mentioned!
Quote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 09:10:44 PMGet BDR off seriously get him off
Thought he was on the bench?
Think Castagna for Tete, and BDR for Wilson is becoming more evident.
Although BDR one of our few goalscorers..
Ps you could argue Reed for Palhinha who has been ineffective all game.
Why do we keep backing off seriously where the hell did they learn that strategy
Unlucky!
ooof
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 24, 2024, 09:14:45 PMUnlucky!
Composure we are rushing it rushing it composure seriously
cainrey looking very good and oh so close then with pereiras shot.
Quote from: davew on January 24, 2024, 09:11:20 PMTwig, didnt know Jiminez was even playing along with a couple of other of our players, hardly seen them or heard them mentioned!
I think Jimenez's few goals led us to believe that he's capable of more at this level than he actually is.
Quote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 09:15:51 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on January 24, 2024, 09:14:45 PMUnlucky!
Composure we are rushing it rushing it composure seriously
Think BDR may have disturbed Andreas a bit as well.
noticed then raul received the ball on the left. but he should have been in the middle
Marco Silva as usual will substitute when its wayyyyy too late like the 83rd minute
Tete, Wilson, Reed triple sub.
Tete and Wilson needed asap.
Having zero pace in attack really hurts in a game like this
Quote from: btffc on January 24, 2024, 09:18:26 PMHaving zero pace in attack really hurts in a game like this
Adama would have been useful today. Too bad he's been injured for almost the whole season.
BACKING OFF BACKING OFF BACKING OFF
Gosh it's unlike Silva to delay subs by 5-10 minutes until the opposition have scored a killer goal.
Sigh.
Tepid and sloppy. A horribly limp performance.
Quote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 09:19:45 PMBACKING OFF BACKING OFF BACKING OFF
im behind have they scored?
Don't ever compare this squad that we had in the Europa League that is an insult
Quote from: Milo on January 24, 2024, 09:18:12 PMTete, Wilson, Reed triple sub.
Yep. Marco way too late.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 24, 2024, 09:19:35 PMQuote from: btffc on January 24, 2024, 09:18:26 PMHaving zero pace in attack really hurts in a game like this
Adama would have been useful today. Too bad he's been injured for almost the whole season.
Agreed, but we also need more options than just Adama. Doesn't have to be Adama fast but at least someone else with some pace would be nice. Our counters are toothless because all the defenders are faster than our attackers.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on January 24, 2024, 09:21:57 PMQuote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 09:19:45 PMBACKING OFF BACKING OFF BACKING OFF
im behind have they scored?
No still 1-0 but its frustrating watching them just backing off when Liverpool attack how far back do you wanna go
If we don't make our subs now they'll score and it'll be game over.
Silva needs to wake up.
Need reed on badly
Andreas again trying flicks and tricks just play it simple gosh
This is a 1-0 pasting.
palhinha and diop playing for them
Can't watch anymore. Silva???? You have substitutes???
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 24, 2024, 09:18:17 PMTete and Wilson needed asap.
I wish it was Haynes and Leggat warming up.
Our attempts to play out from the back are becoming embarrassing.
Just play the simple ball stop being over complicated
first proper tackle from joao
64 mins
We seriously look like a team who forgot to turn up, you wouldn't think we have had time off!
Willian giving Silve a piece of his mind! Wonder what he was suggesting?
harry coming on
for bdr?
just toying with us.
Quote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 09:26:31 PMWillian giving Silve a piece of his mind! Wonder what he was suggesting?
i missed that
Here comes Wilson by the look of it.
Get AP off please and BDR limp dicks both of them **** me lad
i saw willian arguing with silva walking off the pitch at the end of one of the previous games.
not scared to speak his mind
Quote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 09:21:58 PMDon't ever compare this squad that we had in the Europa League that is an insult
There's no comparison at all. I'd kill to have BZ in 09/10 form!
Tete should have come on as well. Castagne offered nothing going forward or in defence today. I'm sure Tete would stabilise our defence and get some good crosses in.
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on January 24, 2024, 09:28:48 PMQuote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 09:21:58 PMDon't ever compare this squad that we had in the Europa League that is an insult
There's no comparison at all. I'd kill to have BZ in 09/10 form!
yes please.
Might as well put all available subs on for experience. This tie's long gone.
not down and out just yet
nice skill from tc to palhina who played unmarked harry in, who, with a bit of luck could have netted
Feels like a training match. Bizarre.
How many times have we given the ball away just outside our own box
lets get things into perspective. even with this team liverpool could win the title.
every player barring 3 are losing possession almost immediately
Quote from: TC's Sporran on January 24, 2024, 09:34:15 PMlets get things into perspective. even with this team liverpool could win the title.
Yeah its easy when your team doesn't perform anyone can be champions like that
Muniz brace incoming
with 15mins left id go all out and 3 at the back.
On comes Muniz. Time for the big guns.
Where's the flogging the dead horse emoji gone off the website?
Quote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 09:35:06 PMQuote from: TC's Sporran on January 24, 2024, 09:34:15 PMlets get things into perspective. even with this team liverpool could win the title.
Yeah its easy when your team doesn't perform anyone can be champions like that
i meant this weakened liverpool side could beat arsenal man city etc.
Yesssss
Quote from: MisfitKid on January 24, 2024, 09:29:35 PMQuote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on January 24, 2024, 09:28:48 PMQuote from: fulhamfever on January 24, 2024, 09:21:58 PMDon't ever compare this squad that we had in the Europa League that is an insult
There's no comparison at all. I'd kill to have BZ in 09/10 form!
yes please.
Decent thought experiment... who from this side would get into the EL team? Joao. Willian? Everyone else is at best arguable, or definitely wouldn't get in.
What an unlikely source of a goal.
5th foul on Cairney and no yellow card
Yeeeees
Get in there
hahahah get the **** in!!!!
Big Issa!
NO WAY!!!
Our new striker.
is there hope?
It's on again!
Sooo close.
ooohhhh. great move
Wilson has made a huge difference.
almost backs to the wall from liverpool!!
var just spotted a handball from raul
Not sure about all these changes just as we were getting on top. Very odd timing from Silva.
Quote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 09:44:04 PMNot sure about all these changes just as we were getting on top. Very odd timing from Silva.
Have to say I agree here. We had all momentum there. Would have just kept going but fresh legs I suppose as worked really hard
strange sub. thought cairney has been our best player... strange. unless hes being saved for the weekend?
Is it just me but Reed for Cairney adds zero to our attacking threat?
Liverpool's press has dropped off a bit.
Quote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 09:45:17 PMIs it just me but Reed for Cairney adds zero to our attacking threat?
willian and wilson appear to be more central. i think the rule book has been torn up
Quote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 09:45:17 PMIs it just me but Reed for Cairney adds zero to our attacking threat?
Just you... ::wink::
Quote from: MisfitKid on January 24, 2024, 09:46:54 PMQuote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 09:45:17 PMIs it just me but Reed for Cairney adds zero to our attacking threat?
Just you... ::wink::
Quote from: MisfitKid on January 24, 2024, 09:46:54 PMQuote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 09:45:17 PMIs it just me but Reed for Cairney adds zero to our attacking threat?
Just you... ::wink::
Reed will probably score a worldie now!
Quote from: Twig on January 24, 2024, 09:45:17 PMIs it just me but Reed for Cairney adds zero to our attacking threat?
It was more a sub that balances out subbing Muniz for Andreas,I think.
momentum has shifted totally with those subs. all liverpool now
Decent cross from Tete.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on January 24, 2024, 09:49:30 PMmomentum has shifted totally with those subs. all liverpool now
Yes I don't think they have helped at all.
in the last 5 minutes
reed has touched the ball 3 times
and we had one attack
how different to the previous 5 mins
Reed in acres a minute ago. Arrrgh.
Come off it Joao! What was that for a shot?
Palhinha value after tonight?
Before people argue "what about all season etc etc" it's the big games that make big players.
Willian showed he's the real big player in this team tonight. He couldn't do it all by himself.
Taking off both Pereira and Cairney was ridiculous.
Well we gave it a go in the end. Left it too late though.
Great last ten, but you need to turn up for 90, players were relegation material first half, they'll know they had a bad day
The subs would make sense if we were holding on for extra time and not a goal down.
There's a real frustrating lack if urgency and quality from the team together. Just a bit chaotic and disjointed. Frustrating as one goal so late on has given such a tangible possibility of getting something from the game. Perhaps the occasion got to the players? Ott on the build up and chat pre game. Will have to go again next year, and hopefully having strengthened the squad further. We missed bassey and iwobi tonight.
Well from our POV the tie could have been won if BDR squared it in the first leg, and Leno had kept that effort out tonight. Bummer.
and in the last 4 mins of added time
reed touched the ball 3 times in non dangerous areas
and we had zero attacks
subs didnt work and ruined the momentum we had.
Amongst other things, Tete should have started
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on January 24, 2024, 09:56:01 PMWell from our POV the tie could have been won if BDR squared it in the first leg, and Leno had kept that effort out tonight. Bummer.
That was all Castagne thou, guy is a total shambles at being in position
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 24, 2024, 09:56:56 PMAmongst other things, Tete should have started
Agree - Silva got that wrong big time
Quote from: SimonDaviesEnjoyer on January 24, 2024, 09:56:01 PMWell from our POV the tie could have been won if BDR squared it in the first leg, and Leno had kept that effort out tonight. Bummer.
Agreed. Game of 2 ties.
I think if BDR had squared it, if Leno had made that basic save... if Silva had made subs EARLIER...
Anyway, ultimately we weren't anywhere near good enough tonight for the first 70 mins or so.
I'm glad we went to two up top, but just super late. Taking off Cairney for Reed meant we lost that Willian-Cairney-Robinson threat and it showed badly. At least swap Andreas for TC if he's gassed, but not a defensive midfielder when we need a goal.
I thought that Willian was phenomenal and please spare a thought for Rodek,the sacrificial pawn.
I said we needed to score first, just look at how much we improved after scoring. That chance from Palhinha, maybe if it had fallen to Jimenez or Reid that goes in. If Cairney rather than Pereira had the chance of the left side, that's a goal. All ifs, buts and maybes. At least we gave it a good go in the second half after an abysmal first half.
Or but for a deflection off Tosin it's 2-2 on aggregate.
The cross in the last ten right over their six yard box was screaming for Fulham to have a real striker
The better team won (pains me to say).
Got almost nothing from the right side.
And that Carabao stuff probably tastes like dirt...
Gutted but end of the day we've lost to the best team in the league over two full matches by one goal. Loads of what ifs and maybes and it could have gone another way. They are a ridiculous team with a crazy press. Loads saying how rubbish we were first 60 mins but when all of our players are swarmed within half a second of getting on the ball you just have to give the other team credit. In the mitro days we'd just go long but didn't have that luxury. We hung in there, Leno didn't have much to do and they were really under the cosh for 15 mins. Great effort from the lads and desperately disappointing but there is a reason they are top of the league and we are 13th. Gonna win the FA cup anyway so who cares?!
Need to repeat this: taking off BOTH creative midfielders at the same time was absolutely absurd, and the last 10 minutes were sadly predictable. Absolutely zero threat after we had them on the ropes.
Silva got it wrong with the subs taking off Cairney Killed any momentum we had. After scoring he should have waited for at least 5 mins even though he had got them prepped to come on. Tete for Castagne I get
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2024, 10:05:57 PMGutted but end of the day we've lost to the best team in the league over two full matches by one goal. Loads of what ifs and maybes and it could have gone another way. They are a ridiculous team with a crazy press. Loads saying how rubbish we were first 60 mins but when all of our players are swarmed within half a second of getting on the ball you just have to give the other team credit. In the mitro days we'd just go long but didn't have that luxury. We hung in there, Leno didn't have much to do and they were really under the cosh for 15 mins. Great effort from the lads and desperately disappointing but there is a reason they are top of the league and we are 13th. Gonna win the FA cup anyway so who cares?!
Ageee with how good they were, but I don't thing it was a great effort, great last ten mins. Up till then we were woeful. Not about them being a top team, we struggled to put a pass together when we had the ball, that's not good enough.
We will learn, move on, survival is key now
Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 24, 2024, 10:07:49 PMNeed to repeat this: taking off BOTH creative midfielders at the same time was absolutely absurd, and the last 10 minutes were sadly predictable. Absolutely zero threat after we had them on the ropes.
Yeah that was absolute madness. Cairney was on fire linking with Willian and Robinson all around our goal and AP had just put the best cross he has put in this season. The had all momentum. I love Marco but those subs were my biggest disappointment tonight.
Quote from: KentFulham on January 24, 2024, 10:08:34 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2024, 10:05:57 PMGutted but end of the day we've lost to the best team in the league over two full matches by one goal. Loads of what ifs and maybes and it could have gone another way. They are a ridiculous team with a crazy press. Loads saying how rubbish we were first 60 mins but when all of our players are swarmed within half a second of getting on the ball you just have to give the other team credit. In the mitro days we'd just go long but didn't have that luxury. We hung in there, Leno didn't have much to do and they were really under the cosh for 15 mins. Great effort from the lads and desperately disappointing but there is a reason they are top of the league and we are 13th. Gonna win the FA cup anyway so who cares?!
Ageee with how good they were, but I don't thing it was a great effort, great last ten mins. Up till then we were woeful. Not about them being a top team, we struggled to put a pass together when we had the ball, that's not good enough.
We will learn, move on, survival is key now
Yeah but you have to give their press some credit. It is tough putting a pass together when you have so little time on the ball and our players just aren't good enough to cope with it. I was fuming against Chelsea as just so sloppy when time on the ball but Liverpool were just all over us.
I think for all the good he has done at Fulham, Silva has to reflect on his substitutions.
Burnley and tonight were prime examples of delayed substitutions due to Manager indecision. How can we all see the need for a sub, but Silva can't? Burnley it cost us a game after 10 mins of continued pressure. Nunez nearly scored again tonight after 10 minutes of continued pressure. These periods of the game.. 60-65 mins into the second half... they're crying out for substitutions. Yet.. time and time again Silva sits on his hands.
Why? Is it lack of awareness of momentum changing... or just lack of a pre-empted plan B?
This is an example of Silva not learning from his mistakes. Another is Tosin time and time again taking risks trying to play his way out of difficult situations. He was very lucky tonight they didn't end badly. Yet Silva seemingly hasn't noticed this.. and hasn't told him to stop doing it?
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2024, 10:13:00 PMQuote from: KentFulham on January 24, 2024, 10:08:34 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2024, 10:05:57 PMGutted but end of the day we've lost to the best team in the league over two full matches by one goal. Loads of what ifs and maybes and it could have gone another way. They are a ridiculous team with a crazy press. Loads saying how rubbish we were first 60 mins but when all of our players are swarmed within half a second of getting on the ball you just have to give the other team credit. In the mitro days we'd just go long but didn't have that luxury. We hung in there, Leno didn't have much to do and they were really under the cosh for 15 mins. Great effort from the lads and desperately disappointing but there is a reason they are top of the league and we are 13th. Gonna win the FA cup anyway so who cares?!
Ageee with how good they were, but I don't thing it was a great effort, great last ten mins. Up till then we were woeful. Not about them being a top team, we struggled to put a pass together when we had the ball, that's not good enough.
We will learn, move on, survival is key now
Yeah but you have to give their press some credit. It is tough putting a pass together when you have so little time on the ball and our players just aren't good enough to cope with it. I was fuming against Chelsea as just so sloppy when time on the ball but Liverpool were just all over us.
That was a surprised we played from the back, teams have long found out we are dodgy at playing out, it is like watching two Bambi on Ices! The end goal is we just boot it out, Leno could do that without the messing about