Alright, December has begun and at the first sign of rumours...I've caved.
Silly season thread - January edition time. I'm going to assume this one might be a little less tense than the last. But it's FOF, ya never know ha....
The good news is: I think most expectations are limited/tempered as to how much we tend to get done in January.
The bad news is: It won't stop us from picking through every single rumour and manner of how we approach business anyway ha.
Bring on the rumours!
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on December 04, 2024, 12:03:13 AMFulham among the clubs who have been offered the chance to sign Juve midfielder Nicolo Fagioli.
https://tbrfootball.com/manchester-city-and-tottenham-on-alert-as-juventus-make-29m-player-available/
From the other thread
If only to kick off the festivities with a good ol highlight clip
All action CM.
Got a feeling AP's time here will be up so might well be looking around in this position if we can find a suitor for Andreas...but this link is tenious at best. TBR football usually aren't the best and love a click bait article
https://tbrfootball.com/how-chelsea-feel-about-loaning-out-kiernan-dewsbury-hall-in-january-amid-interest-from-brighton-and-fulham/
And a link to KDH on loan from them down the road who I recall a couple mentioned when he was at leicester
https://www.footballfancast.com/fulham-considering-january-loan-swoop-for-chelsea-kiernan-dewsbury-hall/
This article echos the rumour and also throws in some others that have done the rounds...
Namely Endo from Liverpool and Evan Ferguson from Brighton
Add Pogba to the mix from the rumours so far and certainly a lot of links to CM's...and maybe it will indeed be curtains for AP
We were linked with Ferguson weren't we from Brighton on loan and then Igor Jesus from Botafogo (both strikers)
https://www.givemesport.com/fulham-transfer-news-weighing-up-january-move-rayan-cherki-craven-cottage/
https://www.givemesport.com/exclusive-fulham-eye-move-for-one-of-the-best-strikers-in-the-world/
Not Cherki again. He's already declined us.
Can I put Dibling in the mix....the kids an absolute baller in such a weak Saints side. Would love to go for him if we think perhaps Pereria is moving on. I know this isn't a link but just my thoughts.
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 04, 2024, 05:10:19 PMhttps://www.givemesport.com/exclusive-fulham-eye-move-for-one-of-the-best-strikers-in-the-world/
Jonathan David would be really good.
He's been permanently linked to top sides but - a bit like Ivan Toney - I don't think he fits the profile that most top top sides are looking for.
Would be a great signing if we can pull it off.
Just opened FoF for the first time today and was delighted to see this thread opened. Not because I expect any major signs but because I just love the madness.
Quote from: Twig on December 04, 2024, 06:42:17 PMJust opened FoF for the first time today and was delighted to see this thread opened. Not because I expect any major signs but because I just love the madness.
Love it,
Hate it,
It's undoubtedly one of the most addictive... and triggering 🤣
Taking bets now on how many pages deep we get before civil unrest ha
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 04, 2024, 05:10:19 PMhttps://www.givemesport.com/exclusive-fulham-eye-move-for-one-of-the-best-strikers-in-the-world/
Yes please... Linked to Barca though and on a free he's gonna have many suitors
Ah go on then...
Anyone running a book on who falls out with who first?
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on December 04, 2024, 08:32:52 PMAnyone running a book on who falls out with who first?
Wind ya neck in ya Guardian reading snowflake!
Quote from: FFC1987 on December 04, 2024, 08:38:53 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on December 04, 2024, 08:32:52 PMAnyone running a book on who falls out with who first?
Wind ya neck in ya Guardian reading snowflake!
:lol:
Don't be getting all political on me now!
Quote from: jayffc on December 04, 2024, 07:15:34 PMQuote from: Twig on December 04, 2024, 06:42:17 PMJust opened FoF for the first time today and was delighted to see this thread opened. Not because I expect any major signs but because I just love the madness.
Love it,
Hate it,
It's undoubtedly one of the most addictive... and triggering 🤣
Taking bets now on how many pages deep we get before civil unrest ha
I hate to love it but I do or I don't, depending on what mood I'm in.
Quote from: Twig on December 04, 2024, 06:42:17 PMJust opened FoF for the first time today and was delighted to see this thread opened. Not because I expect any major signs but because I just love the madness.
Perfectly summed up Twig.
Have we seriously not signed anyone yet!? ::cry::
I f***ing love it/hate it here.
And you're all idiots
Unless you agree with me.....
queue message: "FFS 14 messages with no actual transfer rumours, can you lot take this somewhere else?!"
...on that note
Apparently we're in for this Schlut https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1864553829942849878
Not sold on Jonathan David
We don't have the best record with players who have a first name as their last name - Collins John, Michael Hector, Cyrus Christie, Dan James, and of course Jonathan David's older brother Chris
I prefer players who have titles, like Zat Knight or Steve Earle. High hopes for Josh King on that basis
Quote from: Free Elvis Hammond on December 05, 2024, 10:42:31 AMI prefer players who have titles, like Zat Knight or Steve Earle. High hopes for Josh King on that basis
Are you Mr. Bishop?
Quote from: jayffc on December 05, 2024, 10:36:48 AM...on that note
Apparently we're in for this Schlut https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1864553829942849878
We have no chance competing with Stockport County.
Definitely wouldn't be my first choice, but Dominic Calvert-Lewin is out of contract at the end of the season and was a regular under Marco at Everton back in the day.
He's not got the best goal scoring stats, but Iwobi increased his rate of return three-fold since moving from Everton to us! He's still only 27 and probably wouldn't get a better offer than us.
It wouldn't be the most inspiring signing but he could be worth a sniff for a knock-down price in Jan and/or a free in the summer...
Quote from: Craven Mad on December 06, 2024, 02:53:18 PMDefinitely wouldn't be my first choice, but Dominic Calvert-Lewin is out of contract at the end of the season and was a regular under Marco at Everton back in the day.
He's not got the best goal scoring stats, but Iwobi increased his rate of return three-fold since moving from Everton to us! He's still only 27 and probably wouldn't get a better offer than us.
It wouldn't be the most inspiring signing but he could be worth a sniff for a knock-down price in Jan and/or a free in the summer...
There were murmurings on twitter in the summer we might be in for him. He's gone off the boil a lot in recent seasons but then to be fair to him, Everton don't really play attacking football that gives him much chance to do anything. If we got him at a fee south of £10m then realistically it wouldn't damage the transfer kitty at all and means at the very worst, you can bin off Vini and swap him with a PL striker who has a bit more pedigree about them
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 06, 2024, 02:55:59 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on December 06, 2024, 02:53:18 PMDefinitely wouldn't be my first choice, but Dominic Calvert-Lewin is out of contract at the end of the season and was a regular under Marco at Everton back in the day.
He's not got the best goal scoring stats, but Iwobi increased his rate of return three-fold since moving from Everton to us! He's still only 27 and probably wouldn't get a better offer than us.
It wouldn't be the most inspiring signing but he could be worth a sniff for a knock-down price in Jan and/or a free in the summer...
There were murmurings on twitter in the summer we might be in for him. He's gone off the boil a lot in recent seasons but then to be fair to him, Everton don't really play attacking football that gives him much chance to do anything. If we got him at a fee south of £10m then realistically it wouldn't damage the transfer kitty at all and means at the very worst, you can bin off Vini and swap him with a PL striker who has a bit more pedigree about them
I think this is exactly it.
We shouldn't countenance any more than that for him, given his contract situation, but it could be a savvy way to bring in some premier league experience and improve our attack.
He's worked with Marco and previously played with Iwobi/Reiss Nelson/Ryan Sess for club/country (U21s).
Everton also seem to have already planned for a future without him, as they have 4 CFs currently on their books, so might be more open to letting him go in Jan.
As I said, he wouldn't be my first choice, but he ticks a lot of boxes and could be available at a v good price.
For me I would just get another striker in on loan and let Vini go. Then in the summer if we want to emulate villa we need to go big, there is a world class striker available who's out on loan at the moment it is rumoured he would cost around 60m and he's currently earning 6m a year around the same as Leno. We have two of his international team mates playing for us and he's now playing in a lesser league than the Premier league. We should target Osimhen, we could sell pereira to offset the fee as we have ESR, Iwobi and Cairney to cover the no.10 position. If he was unsure about joining offer him a loan with an option to buy if he can fire us into Europe.
Quote from: Thailand Mick on December 06, 2024, 03:50:39 PMFor me I would just get another striker in on loan and let Vini go. Then in the summer if we want to emulate villa we need to go big, there is a world class striker available who's out on loan at the moment it is rumoured he would cost around 60m and he's currently earning 6m a year around the same as Leno. We have two of his international team mates playing for us and he's now playing in a lesser league than the Premier league. We should target Osimhen, we could sell pereira to offset the fee as we have ESR, Iwobi and Cairney to cover the no.10 position. If he was unsure about joining offer him a loan with an option to buy if he can fire us into Europe.
We'd be about 20th in line for Osimhen to be honest, he's world class and there are much bigger teams who need a #9 and can also offer european football. Now if we got into Europe it increases our chances somewhat but he would need the guarantee of that to move anywhere and even then we'd still have a very small chance. Would be huge for us if we could get him mind you
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 06, 2024, 04:03:02 PMQuote from: Thailand Mick on December 06, 2024, 03:50:39 PMFor me I would just get another striker in on loan and let Vini go. Then in the summer if we want to emulate villa we need to go big, there is a world class striker available who's out on loan at the moment it is rumoured he would cost around 60m and he's currently earning 6m a year around the same as Leno. We have two of his international team mates playing for us and he's now playing in a lesser league than the Premier league. We should target Osimhen, we could sell pereira to offset the fee as we have ESR, Iwobi and Cairney to cover the no.10 position. If he was unsure about joining offer him a loan with an option to buy if he can fire us into Europe.
We'd be about 20th in line for Osimhen to be honest, he's world class and there are much bigger teams who need a #9 and can also offer european football. Now if we got into Europe it increases our chances somewhat but he would need the guarantee of that to move anywhere and even then we'd still have a very small chance. Would be huge for us if we could get him mind you
Yeah, Osimhen would be incredible. I just don't see that happening.
I also don't really see us spending £60m on one player either, especially one who turns 27 next year.
We'd need to be solidly in a European competition for us to be close to that level of spending/appeal and - despite our excellent current league position - we are one bad week of results from the bottom half of the table.
Who knows though. Stranger things have happened!
Quote from: Craven Mad on December 06, 2024, 04:42:38 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on December 06, 2024, 04:03:02 PMQuote from: Thailand Mick on December 06, 2024, 03:50:39 PMFor me I would just get another striker in on loan and let Vini go. Then in the summer if we want to emulate villa we need to go big, there is a world class striker available who's out on loan at the moment it is rumoured he would cost around 60m and he's currently earning 6m a year around the same as Leno. We have two of his international team mates playing for us and he's now playing in a lesser league than the Premier league. We should target Osimhen, we could sell pereira to offset the fee as we have ESR, Iwobi and Cairney to cover the no.10 position. If he was unsure about joining offer him a loan with an option to buy if he can fire us into Europe.
We'd be about 20th in line for Osimhen to be honest, he's world class and there are much bigger teams who need a #9 and can also offer european football. Now if we got into Europe it increases our chances somewhat but he would need the guarantee of that to move anywhere and even then we'd still have a very small chance. Would be huge for us if we could get him mind you
Yeah, Osimhen would be incredible. I just don't see that happening.
I also don't really see us spending £60m on one player either, especially one who turns 27 next year.
We'd need to be solidly in a European competition for us to be close to that level of spending/appeal and - despite our excellent current league position - we are one bad week of results from the bottom half of the table.
Who knows though. Stranger things have happened!
His fee isn't even the largest problem. It was reported his salary requests were what Chelsea balked at in the summer. 300,000 per week or more I believe was the figure. There is no conceivable scenario where he ends up transferring to Fulham if that was true.
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1865365790767059338?t=ynAAiKJ2BR41_mIDQhjLPw&s=19
Douglas Luiz anyone?
DCL to spurs and Richarlison team up with MS again...
Anyone seriously thinking we can get Osimhen... Dream on! Cost too much, wages too high and we'd be at the back of a very, very long queue.
Douglas Luiz would be excellent if we could get him, however
Would like to try for lemina from wolves, maybe set something up for the summer.
::wine:: Louie Barry is certainly setting the division alight atm... could be a good investment??
COYW
Quote from: We Are Premier League on December 08, 2024, 08:46:24 PMDCL to spurs and Richarlison team up with MS again...
Massive NO to that.
Petulant Pratt is he.
DCL won't go to Spurs, they have Solanke who is basically the same but a bit better.
I would like to see a little more ambition in the transfer market this January.
I think we all dream of seeing Fulham play in European competition again and for that to happen, I think we will need to make about 2 key signings in January.
We clearly need a centre forward and a winger. Sell Vinícius. And Winger we are short. I'm not a big fan of Nelson and Adama is not consistent.
Quote from: St. Andrews White on December 08, 2024, 08:59:05 PMAnyone seriously thinking we can get Osimhen... Dream on! Cost too much, wages too high and we'd be at the back of a very, very long queue.
Douglas Luiz would be excellent if we could get him, however
Osimhen has a buyout clause which is 90m Euro in January and 75m Euro (62.5m pounds) in the summer. This clause is only for clubs outside Serie A, spread over a 5-year contract is 12.5m a year. Douglas Luiz cost Juventus 50m Euro plus add Ons 5 months ago.
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on December 08, 2024, 09:30:50 PM::wine:: Louie Barry is certainly setting the division alight atm... could be a good investment??
COYW
Sensational at under age (a noisy father on the sidelines). Went to Barca, didn't work out and that seemed to knock him back for a while. He would be a real investment in the future
Forward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
Quote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
We can do better than someone who has scored 16x in 4 years especially as I imagine his salary reqs will be high.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on December 09, 2024, 12:55:41 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
We can do better than someone who has scored 16x in 4 years especially as I imagine his salary reqs will be high.
Yeah I agree, not sure how DCL improves on Raul who is having a really fine season.
There have been some rumours of Evan Ferguson. He's really out of form too, but if he joined I'd back Silva to help him get back to his best.
Quote from: IloveFFC on December 09, 2024, 01:32:45 AMI would like to see a little more ambition in the transfer market this January.
I think we all dream of seeing Fulham play in European competition again and for that to happen, I think we will need to make about 2 key signings in January.
We clearly need a centre forward and a winger. Sell Vinícius. And Winger we are short. I'm not a big fan of Nelson and Adama is not consistent.
Agree we're a winger short. I think Muniz and Raul are good for this season.
We just don't score nearly enough from the wings and it makes everyone focus on our strikers, who I think are both pretty good. Look at Brentford - they have Mbeumo, Wissa and Schade scoring for fun. Iwobi is having a great season, but if we could have a starter on the opposite flank capable of scoring regularly it would benefit the team so much. I personally prefer Nelson over Adama, seems to demonstrate more talent - but his decision making in the final third has been found wanting.
I'd move on Adama personally if we could bring someone else in and Nelson.
Realistically we're not signing a winger, but I think we will get a striker on loan. If Pereira finally gets his move to Marseille, we'll need to replace him too. That will probably happen in the summer though.
Quote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
Contract expires end of season. I think Marco could get him back to his best but Everton are in a relegation fight and won't sell.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on December 09, 2024, 01:45:25 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
Contract expires end of season. I think Marco could get him back to his best but Everton are in a relegation fight and won't sell.
Everton will beg clubs to sign him in January because in May he can leave for free,
The problem Everton have though is that DCL isn't very good, nobody wants a striker that doesn't score.
Quote from: C Block on December 09, 2024, 02:33:54 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on December 09, 2024, 01:45:25 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
His injury record worries me...
Contract expires end of season. I think Marco could get him back to his best but Everton are in a relegation fight and won't sell.
Everton will beg clubs to sign him in January because in May he can leave for free,
The problem Everton have though is that DCL isn't very good, nobody wants a striker that doesn't score.
Quote from: C Block on December 09, 2024, 02:33:54 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on December 09, 2024, 01:45:25 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
Contract expires end of season. I think Marco could get him back to his best but Everton are in a relegation fight and won't sell.
Everton will beg clubs to sign him in January because in May he can leave for free,
The problem Everton have though is that DCL isn't very good, nobody wants a striker that doesn't score.
I think that is a fair point, but also quite similar to Jiminez who was not scoring before we signed him. We could help him get back on track as we do with alot of players that are 'past it'.
I think DCL could be a good addition for us, but only if the fee wasn't above 10m.
I think there's a good chance we don't sign anyone at all in January. Our squad does look a bit thin though.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on December 09, 2024, 02:36:22 PMQuote from: C Block on December 09, 2024, 02:33:54 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on December 09, 2024, 01:45:25 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
His injury record worries me...
Contract expires end of season. I think Marco could get him back to his best but Everton are in a relegation fight and won't sell.
Everton will beg clubs to sign him in January because in May he can leave for free,
The problem Everton have though is that DCL isn't very good, nobody wants a striker that doesn't score.
DCL is an interesting one for me. Looking back he got 13 goals in 19/20 and 16 in 20/21 as his best seasons from what I can see. Now I believe Muniz has played most of 4 games which means Raul has played 11. Current run rate with Raul s 5 goals in 11 then puts him on 17 for a season. Raul/Muniz combined last year scored 16 playing about half a season each and this year combined on track for just over 15.
Essentially then DCL s previous best seasons are similar to what we have now. To be fair anything 15+ is incredibly respectable. Solanke scoring 19 went for £60 million of course.
So historically DCL no better than what we have and injuries a big concern.
However...he's literally perfect for our system and look what Marco did with Mitro. Think I read we have put one of the most if not the most crosses in this season and we're just a lot better than Everton. There have been spells where he's looked unstoppable. Marco had him at Everton of course leaving December 19 so in DCLs second best season. Could he improve him further? Maybe. Having worked with him if he loves him you could see this happening if we can pick him up cheap in Jan or on a free in summer. Could still have Raul and Jiminez as well as we know he wants 3 so that would cover injury concerns as well. Personally I'd prob rather find some gem from somewhere but as I always say on this striker debate incredibly hard to find anything better than what we currently have which across Muniz/RJ has been circa 15+ goals last season and this season so far.
Quote from: C Block on December 09, 2024, 02:33:54 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on December 09, 2024, 01:45:25 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
Contract expires end of season. I think Marco could get him back to his best but Everton are in a relegation fight and won't sell.
Everton will beg clubs to sign him in January because in May he can leave for free,
The problem Everton have though is that DCL isn't very good, nobody wants a striker that doesn't score.
Disagree on both counts. If they go down they lose far more money. I feel there's definitely a player in there, but he needs to move to a more stable environment and work under a better manager, to resurrect his career.
Quote from: Drewry66 on December 09, 2024, 03:17:55 PMQuote from: Fulham 442 on December 09, 2024, 02:36:22 PMQuote from: C Block on December 09, 2024, 02:33:54 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on December 09, 2024, 01:45:25 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
His injury record worries me...
Contract expires end of season. I think Marco could get him back to his best but Everton are in a relegation fight and won't sell.
Everton will beg clubs to sign him in January because in May he can leave for free,
The problem Everton have though is that DCL isn't very good, nobody wants a striker that doesn't score.
DCL is an interesting one for me. Looking back he got 13 goals in 19/20 and 16 in 20/21 as his best seasons from what I can see. Now I believe Muniz has played most of 4 games which means Raul has played 11. Current run rate with Raul s 5 goals in 11 then puts him on 17 for a season. Raul/Muniz combined last year scored 16 playing about half a season each and this year combined on track for just over 15.
Essentially then DCL s previous best seasons are similar to what we have now. To be fair anything 15+ is incredibly respectable. Solanke scoring 19 went for £60 million of course.
So historically DCL no better than what we have and injuries a big concern.
However...he's literally perfect for our system and look what Marco did with Mitro. Think I read we have put one of the most if not the most crosses in this season and we're just a lot better than Everton. There have been spells where he's looked unstoppable. Marco had him at Everton of course leaving December 19 so in DCLs second best season. Could he improve him further? Maybe. Having worked with him if he loves him you could see this happening if we can pick him up cheap in Jan or on a free in summer. Could still have Raul and Jiminez as well as we know he wants 3 so that would cover injury concerns as well. Personally I'd prob rather find some gem from somewhere but as I always say on this striker debate incredibly hard to find anything better than what we currently have which across Muniz/RJ has been circa 15+ goals last season and this season so far.
There's also the point in question of Raul being 33 and his contract being up soon, and Vini not really being good enough. So even if you keep Muniz as more of a prospect who you think will turn good and still look for a marquee signing in the summer of 2025, DCL being second/third choice isn't the end of the world given he's still late 20's and has the profile we look for in a target forward, when we could get him at a price that doesn't break the bank. I imagine that we'll let Vini go if we get a decent offer in Jan so it's not entirely unrealistic we could sign him and sell Vini and based on FFP not really see a dent in our finances.
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 09, 2024, 04:53:14 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on December 09, 2024, 03:17:55 PMQuote from: Fulham 442 on December 09, 2024, 02:36:22 PMQuote from: C Block on December 09, 2024, 02:33:54 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on December 09, 2024, 01:45:25 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 09, 2024, 11:49:26 AMForward I think who would suit our style and if he could remain fit is Calvert-Lewin now it would be very difficult considering other teams interest but if there was an outside chance we could entice him personally think we become a very good team and improve further to the point of having European aspirations? Not sure how long contract is still to run at Everton but fitness aside which you can't ignore he would tick the boxes of what we require.
His injury record worries me...
Contract expires end of season. I think Marco could get him back to his best but Everton are in a relegation fight and won't sell.
Everton will beg clubs to sign him in January because in May he can leave for free,
The problem Everton have though is that DCL isn't very good, nobody wants a striker that doesn't score.
DCL is an interesting one for me. Looking back he got 13 goals in 19/20 and 16 in 20/21 as his best seasons from what I can see. Now I believe Muniz has played most of 4 games which means Raul has played 11. Current run rate with Raul s 5 goals in 11 then puts him on 17 for a season. Raul/Muniz combined last year scored 16 playing about half a season each and this year combined on track for just over 15.
Essentially then DCL s previous best seasons are similar to what we have now. To be fair anything 15+ is incredibly respectable. Solanke scoring 19 went for £60 million of course.
So historically DCL no better than what we have and injuries a big concern.
However...he's literally perfect for our system and look what Marco did with Mitro. Think I read we have put one of the most if not the most crosses in this season and we're just a lot better than Everton. There have been spells where he's looked unstoppable. Marco had him at Everton of course leaving December 19 so in DCLs second best season. Could he improve him further? Maybe. Having worked with him if he loves him you could see this happening if we can pick him up cheap in Jan or on a free in summer. Could still have Raul and Jiminez as well as we know he wants 3 so that would cover injury concerns as well. Personally I'd prob rather find some gem from somewhere but as I always say on this striker debate incredibly hard to find anything better than what we currently have which across Muniz/RJ has been circa 15+ goals last season and this season so far.
There's also the point in question of Raul being 33 and his contract being up soon, and Vini not really being good enough. So even if you keep Muniz as more of a prospect who you think will turn good and still look for a marquee signing in the summer of 2025, DCL being second/third choice isn't the end of the world given he's still late 20's and has the profile we look for in a target forward, when we could get him at a price that doesn't break the bank. I imagine that we'll let Vini go if we get a decent offer in Jan so it's not entirely unrealistic we could sign him and sell Vini and based on FFP not really see a dent in our finances.
Possibly but I believe we have an option on Raul for a year and as he's our number one at the mo and Marco loves him my guess is we'd trigger it. That if so that would make DCL the third striker. Perhaps if you could get DCL on a free in summer we'd let RJ go and make a big signing on top but good luck selling that to DCL to come and sit on our bench when he'll have plenty of options of clubs to go to on a free. My guess is if we signed DCL then RJ would be extended for another year (assuming he plays well the rest of the season) and that would be that up front.
Sure many wouldn't be happy with that and in fairness we should have £50 million+ to spend on a striker this summer if we wanted to as believe only Tete and Cairney are out of contract and at least Cairney would defo resign if we wanted him to (praying for Tete too of course). Whether spending that much on a striker is sensible is a whole other debate however.
Biggest signing would be a set piece coach. I read somewhere a crazy stat that before the Brighton game we were the only team not to score from a set piece.
I don't have the stats, but have we not conceded a fair few from corners?
Quote from: Jeroen on December 09, 2024, 07:42:38 PMBiggest signing would be a set piece coach. I read somewhere a crazy stat that before the Brighton game we were the only team not to score from a set piece.
I don't have the stats, but have we not conceded a fair few from corners?
I don't know if the issue is necessarily coaching in this department, unless our previous prowess there was all the genius of now departed Luis boa morte.
We were very much like arsenal in our first season up in this regard. Numerous very clever NFL/NBA style blocking/screen style tactics that were super effective and led to many goals.
But since then we lost Palhinha , Tosin and Mitro, 3 of the most important (and tall) parts of those tactics and the rest is history.
We have to be ready to see off vultures over the next few weeks.
The priorityhas to be to keep our squad intact, I think we possibly have the strongest defence ever, removing one player ,like Robinson, could destroy that.
Quote from: filham on December 10, 2024, 03:04:05 PMWe have to be ready to see off vultures over the next few weeks.
The priorityhas to be to keep our squad intact, I think we possibly have the strongest defence ever, removing one player ,like Robinson, could destroy that.
I don't think there's any way we sell Robinson in January if still in with a shot of Europe. And I don't think he's the type of character to kick up a fuss. Seems settled and happy here and imagine he'd be fine enough to wait till the summer If he really wants a move as he's always seemed to respect what we've been working towards here.
Here's hoping his head isn't turned just yet. Outside of that I don't think we'll get any offers well consider in January outside of a bid for AP, and that's the one player I think most likely to depart
Quote from: jayffc on December 10, 2024, 03:35:23 PMQuote from: filham on December 10, 2024, 03:04:05 PMWe have to be ready to see off vultures over the next few weeks.
The priorityhas to be to keep our squad intact, I think we possibly have the strongest defence ever, removing one player ,like Robinson, could destroy that.
I don't think there's any way we sell Robinson in January if still in with a shot of Europe. And I don't think he's the type of character to kick up a fuss. Seems settled and happy here and imagine he'd be fine enough to wait till the summer If he really wants a move as he's always seemed to respect what we've been working towards here.
Here's hoping his head isn't turned just yet. Outside of that I don't think we'll get any offers well consider in January outside of a bid for AP, and that's the one player I think most likely to depart
I read recently that he loves the atmosphere at Anfield.
Quote from: Jeroen on December 09, 2024, 07:42:38 PMBiggest signing would be a set piece coach. I read somewhere a crazy stat that before the Brighton game we were the only team not to score from a set piece.
I don't have the stats, but have we not conceded a fair few from corners?
Agree. We lack a bit of imagination, just keep putting it in the same area.
Quote from: alfie on December 10, 2024, 04:58:20 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 10, 2024, 03:35:23 PMQuote from: filham on December 10, 2024, 03:04:05 PMWe have to be ready to see off vultures over the next few weeks.
The priorityhas to be to keep our squad intact, I think we possibly have the strongest defence ever, removing one player ,like Robinson, could destroy that.
I don't think there's any way we sell Robinson in January if still in with a shot of Europe. And I don't think he's the type of character to kick up a fuss. Seems settled and happy here and imagine he'd be fine enough to wait till the summer If he really wants a move as he's always seemed to respect what we've been working towards here.
Here's hoping his head isn't turned just yet. Outside of that I don't think we'll get any offers well consider in January outside of a bid for AP, and that's the one player I think most likely to depart
I read recently that he loves the atmosphere at Anfield.
The atmospher,a fat wage packet and the chance of a premier league medal would be hard to resist.
Quote from: hopper on December 09, 2024, 03:00:43 PMI think there's a good chance we don't sign anyone at all in January. Our squad does look a bit thin though.
Not to be argumentative but purely out of curiosity why do you think our squad looks a bit thin.
We have two senior starters for every position.
We are currently having a run of injuries and suspensions yet have just secured 5 points in a week against tough opposition.
Quote from: alfie on December 10, 2024, 04:58:20 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 10, 2024, 03:35:23 PMQuote from: filham on December 10, 2024, 03:04:05 PMWe have to be ready to see off vultures over the next few weeks.
The priorityhas to be to keep our squad intact, I think we possibly have the strongest defence ever, removing one player ,like Robinson, could destroy that.
I don't think there's any way we sell Robinson in January if still in with a shot of Europe. And I don't think he's the type of character to kick up a fuss. Seems settled and happy here and imagine he'd be fine enough to wait till the summer If he really wants a move as he's always seemed to respect what we've been working towards here.
Here's hoping his head isn't turned just yet. Outside of that I don't think we'll get any offers well consider in January outside of a bid for AP, and that's the one player I think most likely to depart
I read recently that he loves the atmosphere at Anfield.
Until he goes to the car park to drive his car away and finds the hubcaps missing.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 11, 2024, 05:51:55 AMQuote from: alfie on December 10, 2024, 04:58:20 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 10, 2024, 03:35:23 PMQuote from: filham on December 10, 2024, 03:04:05 PMWe have to be ready to see off vultures over the next few weeks.
The priorityhas to be to keep our squad intact, I think we possibly have the strongest defence ever, removing one player ,like Robinson, could destroy that.
I don't think there's any way we sell Robinson in January if still in with a shot of Europe. And I don't think he's the type of character to kick up a fuss. Seems settled and happy here and imagine he'd be fine enough to wait till the summer If he really wants a move as he's always seemed to respect what we've been working towards here.
Here's hoping his head isn't turned just yet. Outside of that I don't think we'll get any offers well consider in January outside of a bid for AP, and that's the one player I think most likely to depart
I read recently that he loves the atmosphere at Anfield.
Until he goes to the car park to drive his car away and finds the hubcaps missing.
And gets home to a burgled Mansion!
https://twitter.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1866891040411553812
FFS...
We need to go to the market now for a new winger...
Quote from: IloveFFC on December 11, 2024, 05:08:59 PMhttps://twitter.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1866891040411553812
FFS...
We need to go to the market now for a new winger...
Yikes that sucks. Yeh suspect may see another loan or purchase in that case. 3 months out would take us to mid March. Maybe we go back in for Ernest Nuamah and perhaps he wouldn't cry the deal off this time given he's riding the bench at a club that's going bankrupt.
The other option of course is to move ESR out to LW, Adama RW and Iwobi/AP/Wilson at CAM.
Also, despite the bizarre assistance by the club to play him LB, I'd be tempted to try Sess out at LW, It was always his best position after all.
Does limit our attacking options off the bench though, I guess Godo comes back into the fold?
Can we terminate his loan and send him back now if we want?
Quote from: Rambler on December 11, 2024, 05:43:47 PMCan we terminate his loan and send him back now if we want?
Would depend on what the loan agreement says. Don't believe any details were ever released on if there are termination clauses.
Quote from: Rambler on December 11, 2024, 05:43:47 PMCan we terminate his loan and send him back now if we want?
Would be surprised if so given it's not season ending. He got injured playing for us, I assume we'd still have to pay up
He started off very well and clearly has alot of natural talent but since starting his forms steadily tailed off. A few games ago many were saying how clearly he was worth buying and fears arsenals price would be rising... now after a few lesser performances that enthusiasm has wained but could easily just be a temporary dip in form. He does have a spark to him and can make explosive moves which are useful off the bench.
Depending on what's available in the summer, at a decent price (10-15m) I'd still consider a move for him, think there's still plenty in his locker and room to grow under Silva as so many have that got written off in their first season (Lukic no for one). I will say I was enjoying adamas form when he was dropped for reiss and feel we've disrupted his flow a bit since then. Shame, hope he can get his mojo back at RW now
Will be interesting to see if we go back on for Ernest (or Cherki) on a cut price deal, but you'd assume we might have been entirely put off the former regarding his medical drama.
Where we are now and the way we are playing, I believe it is easier for us to find replacement this season.
Plus, I have have always said, once we are top 7 material we can also look forward to keeping more of our wonderkids.
So, we have a lot of choice for coverage now.
Quote from: IloveFFC on December 11, 2024, 05:08:59 PMhttps://twitter.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1866891040411553812
FFS...
We need to go to the market now for a new winger...
Too bad, I enjoyed watching him. But agree with others that it's not the end of the world.
We still have Iwobi who has been immense in LW, and Adama and Wilson can play there too. We're fine for the right wing.
I think as long as we don't get many more injuries or suspensions we should be fine until the summer.
Depth becomes a big issue with Nelson's injury being for so long. We now have 3 wingers plus Godo who really isn't at the level yet and needs a loan. ESR can play there and Andreas probably in a pinch but that leaves us bare in the midfield. Definitely need at least 1, maybe 2 in January. 2 Would let Godo go on loan.
Ansu Fati might be decent loan option. Wasn't great at Brighton last season, but he does have talent and Barca would love to offload some of his wage plus get him minutes to help put him in the shop window.
I was not impressed with Godo playing for the U 21s on Tuesday.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 11, 2024, 05:51:55 AMQuote from: alfie on December 10, 2024, 04:58:20 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 10, 2024, 03:35:23 PMQuote from: filham on December 10, 2024, 03:04:05 PMWe have to be ready to see off vultures over the next few weeks.
The priorityhas to be to keep our squad intact, I think we possibly have the strongest defence ever, removing one player ,like Robinson, could destroy that.
I don't think there's any way we sell Robinson in January if still in with a shot of Europe. And I don't think he's the type of character to kick up a fuss. Seems settled and happy here and imagine he'd be fine enough to wait till the summer If he really wants a move as he's always seemed to respect what we've been working towards here.
Here's hoping his head isn't turned just yet. Outside of that I don't think we'll get any offers well consider in January outside of a bid for AP, and that's the one player I think most likely to depart
I read recently that he loves the atmosphere at Anfield.
Until he goes to the car park to drive his car away and finds the hubcaps missing.
He's a smart guy and with his new paypacket he will have a liveried chauffeur in attendance at all times.
Quote from: btffc on December 12, 2024, 03:20:28 AMDepth becomes a big issue with Nelson's injury being for so long. We now have 3 wingers plus Godo who really isn't at the level yet and needs a loan. ESR can play there and Andreas probably in a pinch but that leaves us bare in the midfield. Definitely need at least 1, maybe 2 in January. 2 Would let Godo go on loan.
Ansu Fati might be decent loan option. Wasn't great at Brighton last season, but he does have talent and Barca would love to offload some of his wage plus get him minutes to help put him in the shop window.
Godo would've been at Blackburn by now if it wasn't for the Stansfield sale. Believe he's still lined up to go there in Jan by all accounts
That is a shame regarding Nelson. I really like him and I think the more time spent with Marco the better he would have become.
I guess at least it is a loanee rather than one of our own, although it feels a bit cold saying that.
One to swerve!! I know he has a few fans on here but Callum Wilson out for another 2 months with serious hamstring injury? Perhaps he was one they were looking to get off the books in January?
Quote from: JimmyConway on December 12, 2024, 12:05:40 PMOne to swerve!! I know he has a few fans on here but Callum Wilson out for another 2 months with serious hamstring injury? Perhaps he was one they were looking to get off the books in January?
Wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Good player but last few years has had injury after injury.
Quote from: sarnian on December 12, 2024, 12:39:14 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 12, 2024, 12:05:40 PMOne to swerve!! I know he has a few fans on here but Callum Wilson out for another 2 months with serious hamstring injury? Perhaps he was one they were looking to get off the books in January?
Wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Good player but last few years has had injury after injury.
I was in that bracket wanting him in but with the caveat that there's question marks over fitness. Sadly, i'm no longer on the bandwagon after yet another lengthy injury. Got to give some players benefit of the doubt, but the guys just made of glass.
Callum Wilson has averaged ~22 missed games per season for the last 4 years. This season, he's already missed 15 of Newcastle's games and he turns 33 in Feb...
He was once a good premier league goalscorer, but the man is past it.
Going back to Calvert-Lewin who as mentioned before I think perfect for our setup. Fella on the wireless yesterday was talking transfers and he thought £20-£25m gets him in January as his contract is up in the summer. There has been no encouragement from Everton that he is going to sign new contract though talks continue? Everton have struggled last few years and that must have an effect if your the centre forward in that club along with injury issues not to be dismissed but a new environment with settled team I think he is right up our street. Main problem is the likes of Arsenal & Newcastle are supposed to be admirer's of him? For that type of money and even the injury issues he'll be a bargain in today's market!
Brilliant in the air technically very good pacey as well everything you want in a centre forward.
Calvert-Lewin would be an underwhelming signing. His form has suffered in recent years so he'd be a gamble, particularly as he isn't an upgrade on what we already have. He's also at an age where it is unlikely we would ever achieve a decent sell on fee, unless he went on an amazing scoring run. For once it would nice if our recruitment used some imagination and signed a player that would give us a few good years before we made a healthy profit, someone like Louis Saha. These players are out there. Jhon Duran is a current example. Brentford signed Watkins and Toney. The gems are out there if you look in the right place.
Quote from: Whitestone on December 13, 2024, 09:26:50 AMCalvert-Lewin would be an underwhelming signing. His form has suffered in recent years so he'd be a gamble, particularly as he isn't an upgrade on what we already have. He's also at an age where it is unlikely we would ever achieve a decent sell on fee, unless he went on an amazing scoring run. For once it would nice if our recruitment used some imagination and signed a player that would give us a few good years before we made a healthy profit, someone like Louis Saha. These players are out there. Jhon Duran is a current example. Brentford signed Watkins and Toney. The gems are out there if you look in the right place.
The transfer record at AFC Bournemouth is impeccable, something to be admired and to be envious of, they wouldn't touch a player like DCL with a barge pole,and neither should we.
Marco when questioned on the January window said only interested in bringing in quality players presumably (first team starters)Personally Endo would be a big yes from me. Hutchinson at Ipswich was excellent against us
Quote from: JimmyConway on December 12, 2024, 12:05:40 PMOne to swerve!! I know he has a few fans on here but Callum Wilson out for another 2 months with serious hamstring injury? Perhaps he was one they were looking to get off the books in January?
I don't want that cheating Toe rag anywhere near my club
Quote from: FFC1987 on December 12, 2024, 12:44:56 PMQuote from: sarnian on December 12, 2024, 12:39:14 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on December 12, 2024, 12:05:40 PMOne to swerve!! I know he has a few fans on here but Callum Wilson out for another 2 months with serious hamstring injury? Perhaps he was one they were looking to get off the books in January?
Wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Good player but last few years has had injury after injury.
I was in that bracket wanting him in but with the caveat that there's question marks over fitness. Sadly, i'm no longer on the bandwagon after yet another lengthy injury. Got to give some players benefit of the doubt, but the guys just made of glass.
similar comments were being made about ESR!
Quote from: C Block on December 13, 2024, 10:05:45 AMQuote from: Whitestone on December 13, 2024, 09:26:50 AMCalvert-Lewin would be an underwhelming signing. His form has suffered in recent years so he'd be a gamble, particularly as he isn't an upgrade on what we already have. He's also at an age where it is unlikely we would ever achieve a decent sell on fee, unless he went on an amazing scoring run. For once it would nice if our recruitment used some imagination and signed a player that would give us a few good years before we made a healthy profit, someone like Louis Saha. These players are out there. Jhon Duran is a current example. Brentford signed Watkins and Toney. The gems are out there if you look in the right place.
The transfer record at AFC Bournemouth is impeccable, something to be admired and to be envious of
Impeccable?? Let's not go overboard. They've obviously done more good business than bad since they got back to the PL (much like Fulham, and worth noting that they've spent $80M more than us over the past three seasons) but $73M on Hamed Traore, Romain Faivre and Alex Scott??? And as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on all $110M of their signings this summer. Evanilson has been decent (4 goals in ~1000 minutes) but decent is the bare minimum for a $50M player (Fulham's $6.7M striker has 5G and 2A so far this season in 900 minutes...and as an aside, if you think Raul has been wasteful in front of goal this season take a look at Evanilson's stats). So no, while I think Bournemouth has done very good business over the past few seasons, it most certainly hasn't been impeccable. And finally if there's anything I'm envious about it's that they've had $80M more to spend, would love to have seen what Marco and the team could have done with that.
DCL on a free would be a decent signing to replace Jimenez (if he wanted a move), but he's not reliable enough for what we need as a 1st choice striker to progress.
Nelson out is an interesting one. We don't need to sign another winger/forward, but I definitely think that if we were to sign a really high quality player in that position in early Jan it could actually push us close to Europe.
Quote from: copthornemike on December 13, 2024, 03:00:52 PMsimilar comments were being made about ESR!
While that is true, ESR had also just turned 24 when we bought him.
Quote from: C Block on December 13, 2024, 10:05:45 AMQuote from: Whitestone on December 13, 2024, 09:26:50 AMCalvert-Lewin would be an underwhelming signing. His form has suffered in recent years so he'd be a gamble, particularly as he isn't an upgrade on what we already have. He's also at an age where it is unlikely we would ever achieve a decent sell on fee, unless he went on an amazing scoring run. For once it would nice if our recruitment used some imagination and signed a player that would give us a few good years before we made a healthy profit, someone like Louis Saha. These players are out there. Jhon Duran is a current example. Brentford signed Watkins and Toney. The gems are out there if you look in the right place.
The transfer record at AFC Bournemouth is impeccable, something to be admired and to be envious of, they wouldn't touch a player like DCL with a barge pole,and neither should we.
Bournemouth very decent like us but not sure about impeccable. They signed a striker just this summer gone in Evanilson for £40 million. 4 goals and 0 assists in 1091 minutes this season. Considering so many are moaning their heads off about our strikers and Raul has 6 goals and 2 assists in 1001 minutes this season not sure we can count Evanilson as a hit yet considering Raul has a much better output for £35 million less.
Not saying Evanilson won't come good as looked half decent when I've seen him play but ain't pulling up trees for the huge fees so far and pretty sure most would be of our fans would be asking questions with that return so far for the fee paid.
Our recruitment has been as good as anyone's the last few years with only a couple of low cost signings not being a hit. I doubt the club will go for DLC but if they/Marco want him I have faith he'd do well.
Quote from: AJW48361 on December 13, 2024, 10:28:31 AMMarco when questioned on the January window said only interested in bringing in quality players presumably (first team starters)Personally Endo would be a big yes from me. Hutchinson at Ipswich was excellent against us
Not sure I see what Endo does for us. He's a 6 and really only a 6 and we already have both Lukic and Berge excelling at the position. Liverpool would also want pretty close to their money back for him which would probably be around 15m as they paid 18m for him.
He's a fine player just don't see how he fits for us when we have needs elsewhere to spend money on.
Quote from: Drewry66 on December 13, 2024, 03:50:53 PMQuote from: C Block on December 13, 2024, 10:05:45 AMQuote from: Whitestone on December 13, 2024, 09:26:50 AMCalvert-Lewin would be an underwhelming signing. His form has suffered in recent years so he'd be a gamble, particularly as he isn't an upgrade on what we already have. He's also at an age where it is unlikely we would ever achieve a decent sell on fee, unless he went on an amazing scoring run. For once it would nice if our recruitment used some imagination and signed a player that would give us a few good years before we made a healthy profit, someone like Louis Saha. These players are out there. Jhon Duran is a current example. Brentford signed Watkins and Toney. The gems are out there if you look in the right place.
The transfer record at AFC Bournemouth is impeccable, something to be admired and to be envious of, they wouldn't touch a player like DCL with a barge pole,and neither should we.
Bournemouth very decent like us but not sure about impeccable. They signed a striker just this summer gone in Evanilson for £40 million. 4 goals and 0 assists in 1091 minutes this season. Considering so many are moaning their heads off about our strikers and Raul has 6 goals and 2 assists in 1001 minutes this season not sure we can count Evanilson as a hit yet considering Raul has a much better output for £35 million less.
Not saying Evanilson won't come good as looked half decent when I've seen him play but ain't pulling up trees for the huge fees so far and pretty sure most would be of our fans would be asking questions with that return so far for the fee paid.
Our recruitment has been as good as anyone's the last few years with only a couple of low cost signings not being a hit. I doubt the club will go for DLC but if they/Marco want him I have faith he'd do well.
To be fair to Evanilson, he has also won 5 penalties(3 in 1 game) in addition to his 4 goals. He is just not the penalty taker so his contribution is more than it seems at first glance.
Endo would be great for a couple of seasons and wouldn't cost a lot.
We really need another centre forward
Get Lukic to have a word with his compatriot Vlahovic.
Vlahovic would probably cost 100m and 300k a week
Eh, I don't agree that the 21-22 Bournemouth squad which: 1) we took two points from and 2) finished two points behind us was "substantially weaker" than ours.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 13, 2024, 05:47:52 PMBournemouth came up with a squad that was substantially weaker than ours, within three years they've caught us up and we'll do well to finish above them this year (we're currently below them). Their squad is on average about three years younger than ours which is a bigger gap than it sounds. Our typical signing is an older, established player whereas theirs is a youngster from abroad so of course they're going to have a higher fail rate, but overall their strategy has paid off and they've irrefutably outperformed us in that respect since promotion.
I don't think I agree with this either, you use the word irrefutably but other have had some very valid points above, personally I feel we've done much better, by getting into this position and spending 80 mill less than Bournemouth would stand to me to believe that we have money in the kitty to progress further while Bournemouth will be looking to consolidate for a few years before another big spend.
And if that goes to plan for both clubs, Bournemouth will stay a mid table club where we will be looking at Europe.
I am much happier being in our shoes right now than Bournemouth, we have been clever and shrewed, whereas Bournemouth were in a much bigger need than us so have over spent on players around the same quality as us.
Can't we just accept that all 3 promoted clubs our year have defied all logic and have done amazingly well defying all football logic?
All have been generally brilliant in the transfer market. All 3 have brilliant managers. All 3 have survived when most teams go straight back down. On top of that all 3 have massively over achieved for our sizes within the constraints of FFP and all sit either 5th or within a couple of points of it.
Gets so tiring coming on the forum to get excited with other Fulham fans to revel in how well Fulham are doing and constantly getting told how much worse we are at everything. We are performing better than the vast majority of promoted sides and have one of the best and most exciting teams we have had in my 30 years of supporting us.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 13, 2024, 06:57:22 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 13, 2024, 06:18:47 PMEh, I don't agree that the 21-22 Bournemouth squad which: 1) we took two points from and 2) finished two points behind us was "substantially weaker" than ours.
It's funny, I admit this may not have been you, but I've been signing their praises for a couple of seasons now, and the general counterargument on here was always that we were above them ipso facto we must be doing things better than them. Now they've closed that gap, all of a sudden history will get re-written to say they were actually as good or better than us all along so it means nothing they finished above us last year and sit us above us now.
TBC, I never said they were as good or better than us the season we both went up. In fact, I believe we had a better squad than they did heading into the 22-23 PL season. I just don't agree that that squad was "substantially better" than Bournemouth's.
With that being said as far as I'm concerned there are a couple of reasons why we went from 2 points ahead of them in the Championship to 13 points ahead of them in that first season back in the PL. First, Marco Silva is a far superior manager who is much better suited to the rigors of the PL than either Parker or O'Neil. Second, our recruitment that first season, especially in the summer, was MUCH better than theirs (Palhinha/Leno/Willian/Andreas/Diop v. Fredericks/Rothwell/Tavernier/Neto/Sensei). Since then they've bought in a top class manager, spent more than us (with the aid of new ownership who took over in December of 2022...in fact I'd argue their best pound for pound transfer window was January 2023) and we're back to being not separated by much, just as we were in that final Championship season.
Anyhow, this little diversion started simply because I disagreed with someone who posted that Bournemouth's recruitment has been impeccable, a statement I strongly disagree with. It's been very good, as has ours, but not even close to impeccable.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 13, 2024, 07:10:46 PMQuote from: Willham link=msg=1537we have money in the kitty to progress further
Bournemouth will stay a mid table club where we will be looking at Europe
Some bold forward-looking assumptions here.
If we use this opportunity to spend more then I agree, it could propel us above them, but personally I don't see it. We had the cash and FFP headroom this summer and yet our net spend was still only £19m. Summer before it was £17m. I can't see any reason to believe we're suddenly going to change our philosophy and go on the sort of £100m spending spree it would take to outspend them.
And having a much older squad than them, we're going to need to spend more/sooner to replace key players whilst they remain settled.
You've got to remember our owner was one of the ones who spent 100 mill+ with us on one occasion jumping up into the prem?
What gives you the impression he wouldn't do that again? If your thinking of answering with 'he learnt his lessons?' Like I am, then what lessons are they? The lesson that spending 100 mill isn't always the best answer?
Look at man utd, one of the biggest net spenders, if not the very biggest yet still struggling, Everton were on the list near the top ten a couple of years ago yet have been on the cusp of relegation for years.
Spending doesn't equate to results, we're doing well and above what we'd probably way more than we'd dreamt of when we got promoted, be happy our chairman and transfer team are being shrewd and clever, we are in a very sustainable position.
It's not like we're afraid of spending either, we paid a hefty sum for ESR and iwobi, we are happy to spend but we don't want to spend for needless sake. Less risk more results seems to be the current philosophy which wasn't as much as our philosophy a few years back, and we know how well that went.
Edit: to add, what's the fascination on out spending them? I don't judge my car on how much spent, I meet a guy with the same car as me but his is a little newer than mine, but he's also spent 20,000 more to buy the car than I did..... I think I would be happier in my position than the guy with the slightly newer item.
I've just had a look at Bournemouths squad. I'd rather have ours thank you very much.
What Bournemouth players would get in to our first team right now? Maximum 2 if you ask me and 9 of ours would walk in to theirs.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 13, 2024, 08:03:14 PMQuote from: Willhamwe have money in the kitty to progress further while Bournemouth will be looking to consolidate for a few years before another big spend.
Quote from: Willham on December 13, 2024, 07:51:55 PMwhat's the fascination on out spending them?
just following on from the point you made really, ie, that we are in a better position because have money to outspend them
I didn't say outspend them, I said we have money in the kitty to progress, and that at the most is presumptuous, I'm not fulham and Bournemouth accountant but from an outside view that's how I see it.
My initial post that mentioned Bournemouth was to make the point that they wouldn't touch DCL with a barge pole ,
Their most recent crop of signings included the following
Zabarnyi age 22
Huijsen age 19
Kerkez age 21
Those three alone are already being chased by all the top sides,
Then you've got Semenyo, Kluivert,Evanilson,Alex Scott and Sinisterra
Not one of those 8 is above 25 and the first 3 on the list are being touted as up to worth £150 million combined
We spent £35 million on Smith-Rowe how much is he worth now ?
There are plenty out there waiting to be discovered we don't need to go anywhere near Calvert-Lewin.
we need a target man like Sandro Kulenovic
Quote from: C Block on December 13, 2024, 09:20:20 PMMy initial post that mentioned Bournemouth was to make the point that they wouldn't touch DCL with a barge pole ,
Their most recent crop of signings included the following
Zabarnyi age 22
Huijsen age 19
Kerkez age 21
Those three alone are already being chased by all the top sides,
Then you've got Semenyo, Kluivert,Evanilson,Alex Scott and Sinisterra
Not one of those 8 is above 25 and the first 3 on the list are being touted as up to worth £150 million combined
We spent £35 million on Smith-Rowe how much is he worth now ?
There are plenty out there waiting to be discovered we don't need to go anywhere near Calvert-Lewin.
We just made £105 million in sales the last two summers selling older players and Jay. The way Robinson is getting talked up that could be another £40 to £50 million. If Berge carries on for the rest of the season he could double in value. Lukic as well for what we paid for him. Supposedly we turned down a big profit for AP. I wouldn't be surprised if Bassey was worth a load more than what we signed him for. There's more than one way to skin a cat and the lack of going for youth prospects is down to Marco as he has openly said his preference is to go for prem experience and who thinks we are better off without him and his method? Not many.
Kluivert we basically signed but for the work permit stuffing us. Smith-Rowe is the younger ambitious signing people were calling for. Not doing it yet but if he does come good (sure he will in the end with all his ability) if he gets back in the England team he'll be worth double.
Bournemouth are doing exceptionally well but so are we!! Just doing it in a different way.
I agree that now we have established ourselves we can afford to go for younger less experienced prem players and in the summer we tried (Cherki/nuamah) on top of Smith-Rowe. Sure we will again this summer.
Personally I'd prob prefer trying to find a younger gem striker than DCL but as always it's easier said than done. Muniz was an attempt to do just that was he not? I'm in the camp that he'll still come good but the prob with not buying players with some proven prem pedigree is the hit rate is a lot lower. It relegated Southampton in the end. Less of an issue when you have a brilliant squad and spare FFP room as we have now from our very skilful and shrewd business the last few years. Fingers crossed we can find some gems this summer on top of all the brilliant prem pros we have recruited and developed into better players so far.
We are a striker away from a top 6 position,as for the 2teams that came up with us no real interest in them.
But do wonder when 3 promoted teams next stay up.
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2024, 04:29:42 PMEndo would be great for a couple of seasons and wouldn't cost a lot.
We really need another centre forward
I am not so sure 15m for a 32 years old Wataru Endo would be a sensible investition. I would rather pay that kind of money for a younger midfielder who can be an understudy for Berge and Lukic for a season or two.
With that being said, if we go experienced route I would look at Josh Brownhill, his contract is up in the summer so wouldnt cost much and he has been very good everytime we played Burnley. Plus his best position is 8 where we need options.
A lot of us on here fall for the click bait King antics about time we wised up lol
https://trivela.com.br/brasil/corinthians-breno-bidon-inglaterra/
Don't think this was posted or if I missed it in the middle of the great Bournemouth debate. Translation below.
Breno Bidon becomes the 'apple of England's eye' and can help Corinthians achieve their goal
Corinthians prospect is being monitored by English teams and depends on former Flamengo midfielder to receive a proposal soon
One of Corinthians' main recent revelations, midfielder Breno Bidon has attracted the interest of some European teams, especially in England.
According to Trivela 's investigation , at least four English teams have been monitoring Corinthians' homegrown talent for some time and are signaling that they will make offers soon.
Timão is working with the possibility that these offers will arrive in the transfer window that will open in the middle of next year, which corresponds to the end of the European season.
However, it will not be a surprise if some investment is made in the next market period , in early 2025.
At the beginning of the year, Corinthians renewed Breno Bidon's contract . In the new contract, the athlete's salary increased, but, in compensation, the termination fee was increased to 100 million euros (R$627.35 million, at the exchange rate) for the international market.
Bidon could replace Andreas Pereira or join English giant
According to sources heard by the report, among the quartet of teams in England that show interest in Breno Bidon are Arsenal and Fulham.
The Gunners understand that the player has important characteristics to develop in the squad.
Fulham sees Bidon as playing a more crucial role in midfield, providing more opportunities for games.
This, however, would be linked to a possible departure of midfielder Andreas Pereira.
The former Flamengo midfielder, who has been a constant presence in the Brazilian national team led by coach Dorival Júnior, is a target for Olympique de Marseille, from France, and other English teams such as Aston Villa, Newcastle and Tottenham.
In a recent interview with Premier League Brazil, the midfielder regretted that the transfer with the French team did not work out and left room for the departure to happen at the end of 2024. Therefore, Andreas' permanence at the Lilywhites is seen by many as difficult.
Fulham, however, will try to hold on to the player until the end of the English season, in mid-2025. Otherwise, the team would have to look for a replacement in January, which would increase the possibility of an official offer for Breno Bidon.
The Timão player's staff is aware of the English attacks and has been working towards this since the midfielder was promoted to Corinthians' professional squad at the beginning of the year.
Corinthians may change its discourse regarding Bidon in 2025
When foreign teams sought information about Breno Bidon during 2024, the Corinthians management responded that they were not considering selling him. However, this discourse should change next season.
According to the black and white club's budget forecast, which was approved by the Deliberative Council last Monday (9), the expected revenue from the sale of economic rights is R$181 million.
Bidon is currently the first in line among the possible assets to be traded. And this is due to two reasons:
It is valued;
It's homegrown.
The fact that he was formed at the club is important, as it gives Corinthians a much greater profit margin than if it were a player whose rights were acquired at another time.
Furthermore, even though Bidon's value is not as high as that of other athletes, for example, Yuri Alberto, he is on an upward curve and due to his young age he tends to attract more and more people interested in his football.
Corinthians sees replacements in the squad, but may go to the market if they lose Breno Bidon
In addition to the reasons already mentioned, another factor that makes Bidon a potential sale is replacement.
The Corinthians football department does not want to make any major changes to the backbone of the squad , which ended the season with nine consecutive victories.
On the other hand, it is understood that within the current squad there are players who can fulfill similar roles to Breno Bidon within the scheme proposed by coach Ramón Díaz.
Alex Santana and Ryan , who missed part of last season due to injuries, are two of those names.
Still, the Corinthians board is keeping an eye on the market and does not rule out hiring an athlete from each sector.
Strengthening the position is not a priority at the moment, but moves are not ruled out if there is a business opportunity or in the event of losses in the squad.
Quote from: Hatch007 on December 11, 2024, 04:33:52 AMQuote from: hopper on December 09, 2024, 03:00:43 PMI think there's a good chance we don't sign anyone at all in January. Our squad does look a bit thin though.
Not to be argumentative but purely out of curiosity why do you think our squad looks a bit thin.
We have two senior starters for every position.
We are currently having a run of injuries and suspensions yet have just secured 5 points in a week against tough opposition.
I always thought we needed one more player in midfield, as Berge and Lukic are the only ones with a bit of muscle and good at defensive aspect. So if one of them goes out for a bit it starts to look light .
But you're right on reflection it's not that thin and there are two players per position. But more suspensions and injuries than normal has been stretching us a bit.
Wolves lost again today to Ipswich with Cunha scoring
Hope they get relegated and we go all in on Cunha to lead our line
Quote from: jayffc on December 14, 2024, 05:19:38 PMWolves lost again today to Ipswich with Cunha scoring
Hope they get relegated and we go all in on Cunha to lead our line
Would be class, but he's city/liverpool bound
Andre was anonymous today according to 5Live.
Quote from: SP on December 14, 2024, 05:44:30 PMAndre was anonymous today according to 5Live.
Safe to say so far that after all the furore around not getting him in the summer , the transfer team appear to have been right in opting for Berge who has worked out brilliantly so far (and 5m+ cheaper)
Andre may still come good but Sander has been getting better and better after shaking off the summer injuy rust. I liked the look for Andre but he's hardly set the place alight ther
As much as it would be nice to find a reliable goal scorer up top, I think left back now has to be a number one target for us either this winter or next summer. Cannot see us keeping our current left back past that time. He is just too damn good.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 14, 2024, 06:33:22 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 14, 2024, 06:27:05 PMQuote from: SP on December 14, 2024, 05:44:30 PMAndre was anonymous today according to 5Live.
Safe to say so far that after all the furore around not getting him in the summer , the transfer team appear to have been right in opting for Berge who has worked out brilliantly so far (and 5m+ cheaper)
Andre may still come good but Sander has been getting better and better after shaking off the summer rust. I liked the look for Andre but he's hardly set the place alight there.
Entirely agree with the positive sentiment re. Berge which remains a signing I'd praise, but FWIW on Andre, he's in a comparable situation to Anguissa (a signing you frequently defend) in that he's a very highly regarded young player thrown straight into a poor team in a new league with a coach that's way out of his depth. My take is still that he's probably the right player, just at the wrong club/time currently.
It's certainly possible. I was hot on Andres ceiling over the summer and think there's talent in there. And Wolves have better players on paper than the results their coach is getting out of them. Long way to go yet so may yet rescue themselves.
Berge has ultimately been the right player for Fulham of the two (and of course cheaper) especially as it's worked out his physical presence particularly has been important for us when we've lost the likes of Sasa too in the engine room.
But still early and maybe,if it doesn't work out at wolves, Andre goes on and competes for titles out of the prem, it's also a possibility he'd be more suited to a European league like that too, time will tell.
Either way Berges skillset has been invaluable and complimentary for us, and their profiles certainly are quite different so who knows how it would have worked out if a different decision had been taken. Glad to currently not to be ruing the decision at all though
Quote from: DadCreature on December 14, 2024, 06:28:33 PMAs much as it would be nice to find a reliable goal scorer up top, I think left back now has to be a number one target for us either this winter or next summer. Cannot see us keeping our current left back past that time. He is just too damn good.
Isn't that why we brought Jorge. Like Joao's sale gave us a bigger kitty in the summer. Anton's sale would enable us to strengthen elsewhere on the pitch this winter.
Quote from: I Ronic on December 15, 2024, 11:11:16 AMQuote from: DadCreature on December 14, 2024, 06:28:33 PMAs much as it would be nice to find a reliable goal scorer up top, I think left back now has to be a number one target for us either this winter or next summer. Cannot see us keeping our current left back past that time. He is just too damn good.
Isn't that why we brought Jorge. Like Joao's sale gave us a bigger kitty in the summer. Anton's sale would enable us to strengthen elsewhere on the pitch this winter.
We should absolutely be keeping Robinson. If we let him go he's easily a £40m-50m player all day everyday.
The form Anton is in this season will make it hard to keep hold of him and to be fair to him, his career ambitions. I'd much prefer we lose him in this window at a better price than the summer one. Also bare in mind, in the summer the lad from Arsenal returns, we could also find clubs after two or three of the current squad and TC may decide to call it a day. We brought in four players who went straight into the side last summer. We've been lucky it's worked.
I'd really like us to be introducing one or two new players to the squad be that transfers or the kids stepping up
Robinson will never be worth more than he is right now. I want to keep him, but a crazy offer from Liverpool would be tempting.
If he left, Tyrick Mitchell/Reguilon/Tagliafico are all in the final 6ish months of their contracts, so would be available relatively cheaply.
Players like Zinchenko, Ait Nori and Andy Robertson also only have 18 months on their contracts, so would likely also be available at lower cost too.
Long story short: I want Jedi to stay, but we have to be realistic and there are other LBs available at a lower cost who could work.
What Silva is a genius for doing, is finding a way to adapt once a player has left.
He's done it a number of times- Palhinha, Mitro, Tosin, Willian, BDR, Ream, Fabio etc
A good number of those players were the nucleus of our squad and so it's been a remarkable feat.
Truth is, I'm not sure you can 100% replace Robinson- his pure athleticism is incredible but you can look to improve on certain aspects of his game. If we get £50m for him (WIgan get 20% i think) then we should probably say yes- makes us more sustainable and gives Silva money to invest.
Agree this is Robinson's peak and we should cash in if the opportunity presents itself. A club our size has to accept we can't buy or hold on to Champions' League quality players, but what we can do is buy them young (under 24) and keep them until they peak (around 28) then sell them at a profit, which is exactly what we'd have done if we sell Robinson now.
We do however need to start recruiting at a lower age because no one is going to pay us £50m for a 31-year-old Andersen in 2-3 years' time.
We also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
Can I just add to my earlier post. I'd be happy if he stayed. I believe he's already turned down one offer of a move (I might be wrong) he comes across as a good professional and a likable fella. As per João if an offer should come in and it was a good move for him and a good fee for the club, so be it.
Quote from: Jim© on December 16, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
I think that's just creative obfuscation really. Anyone looking at our team sheets can see that beforehand we had Mitro up front, now we have Jiminez, ipso facto Jiminez replaced Mitro. I get what you're saying about us strengthening other areas but we're not to in a sell-to-buy position where we couldn't have bought those players without selling Mitrovic. It's a bit like my wife asking me replace the broken door on our washing machine and me claiming we don't need to because I got the car MOT'd. Two different things.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 05:05:40 PMQuote from: Jim© on December 16, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
I think that's just creative obfuscation really. Anyone looking at our team sheets can see that beforehand we had Mitro up front, now we have Jiminez, ipso facto Jiminez replaced Mitro. I get what you're saying about us strengthening other areas but we're not to in a sell-to-buy position where we couldn't have bought those players without selling Mitrovic. It's a bit like my wife asking me replace the broken door on our washing machine and me claiming we don't need to because I got the car MOT'd. Two different things.
You say it's obfuscation but I believe you are denying reality. Personally, I would say our current squad is better than any squad that had Mitro in it. It defies logic to believe your washing machine/car scenario in any way relates to spending to improve a football squad. It's more like having a budget to keep your car running. I can choose to upgrade the engine, brakes, suspension, etc. Fulham have balanced its spending across the squad and are better for it.
Quote from: BarryP on December 16, 2024, 06:02:20 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 05:05:40 PMQuote from: Jim© on December 16, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
I think that's just creative obfuscation really. Anyone looking at our team sheets can see that beforehand we had Mitro up front, now we have Jiminez, ipso facto Jiminez replaced Mitro. I get what you're saying about us strengthening other areas but we're not to in a sell-to-buy position where we couldn't have bought those players without selling Mitrovic. It's a bit like my wife asking me replace the broken door on our washing machine and me claiming we don't need to because I got the car MOT'd. Two different things.
You say it's obfuscation but I believe you are denying reality. Personally, I would say our current squad is better than any squad that had Mitro in it. It defies logic to believe your washing machine/car scenario in any way relates to spending to improve a football squad. It's more like having a budget to keep your car running. I can choose to upgrade the engine, brakes, suspension, etc. Fulham have balanced its spending across the squad and are better for it.
He's got a point. If the car's mot'd then he can legally take the washing to the laundrette
Quote from: BarryP on December 16, 2024, 06:02:20 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 05:05:40 PMQuote from: Jim© on December 16, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
I think that's just creative obfuscation really. Anyone looking at our team sheets can see that beforehand we had Mitro up front, now we have Jiminez, ipso facto Jiminez replaced Mitro. I get what you're saying about us strengthening other areas but we're not to in a sell-to-buy position where we couldn't have bought those players without selling Mitrovic. It's a bit like my wife asking me replace the broken door on our washing machine and me claiming we don't need to because I got the car MOT'd. Two different things.
You say it's obfuscation but I believe you are denying reality. Personally, I would say our current squad is better than any squad that had Mitro in it. It defies logic to believe your washing machine/car scenario in any way relates to spending to improve a football squad. It's more like having a budget to keep your car running. I can choose to upgrade the engine, brakes, suspension, etc. Fulham have balanced its spending across the squad and are better for it.
If the squad is "balanced" as you put then if we ran a poll now, "in which position do Fulham most need to upgrade?", you'd expect an even mix of responses, with some saying striker but just as many saying LB, GK etc. I don't think that would be that outcome, reckon 90% (probably more) recognise we're in dire need of a striker.
Continually perplexed at the way our strikers are spoken about. Both are performing really well, so am surprised by line above about 'dire need'. I'd rather add a winger that raises our technical level and who can find the net regularly. Sometimes our decision making in build up and with numerical advantage lets us down, and we haven't had a clinical winger for a long time.
Quote from: hopper on December 16, 2024, 07:22:10 PMContinually perplexed at the way our strikers are spoken about. Both are performing really well, so am surprised by line above about 'dire need'. I'd rather add a winger that raises our technical level and who can find the net regularly. Sometimes our decision making in build up and with numerical advantage lets us down, and we haven't had a clinical winger for a long time.
They're doing well and more respect should be put to their name and their performances.
That being said, it's prudent to look at other players to take on the position who may show more consistency and, in Raul's case, can play for a longer term period.
A player that'd excite me would be Cunha at Wolves, though I appreciate that'd be a competitive player to try and sign. Rushford seems to be out of favour at United and hasn't been the same since covid where he put so much into free school meals.. I imagine he'd also have a lot bigger clubs after him, but maybe he's seen as disengaged. There's a risk there, great when things are going well, but if unmotivated, then a potential dead weight.. that being said, could Marco get the best out him?
Don't know who else we'd get in?
Out of all the players I'd consider selling, the two at the moment would be Pereira. He seems to want out and his performances whilst decent and consistent haven't been the same. It's telling his best ones are against the best clubs, but even then he needs to realise that he has to do that consistently week in and week out against every team to get the big moves.
@General I think Rashford and Cunha would command huge sums of money and big big question marks on the character of each of them. Cunha's behaviour on Saturday - no thanks.
There's a fantastic winger at Lyon called Malick Fofana who would be perfect for us. Shame Cherki turned us down in hindsight as this season he's turned it round and looks the real deal.
Agree though we need a long term option for Raul - but wouldn't surprise me if the club stuck with him as he's delivering.
Taiwo isn't playing at Forest but is a bit injury prone. Great player in there though. Ferguson has been discussed too.
Cunha is a great player but I'm not sure he really fits how Marco likes to play. He is much more of 10/second striker than a number 9 who can hold the ball up and lead the line which is what Marco wants. With Wolves he has mostly played with/behind Hwang or Strand Larsen.
IMO, the priority is to show ambition, keep AR and add more quality to the team / squad each season
How about Rashford on loan?
Quote from: Jeroen on December 16, 2024, 09:29:48 PMHow about Rashford on loan?
Simple loans always seem a bit pointless and Utd aren't going to sell him to us for the sort of money we'd spend on a 27 year old, and I don't think he'd be interested in coming here anyway (especially as he has a £300k pw salary until summer 2028!).
Would obviously be v interesting if we could wangle it, but I think there will be CL teams who think they can bring the best out of him. Arsenal, for example, might be tempted to have him on the left and Saka on the right, and I'm sure Bayern would consider another Englishman to play on the left of Kane...
Quote from: Craven Mad on December 16, 2024, 10:31:12 PMQuote from: Jeroen on December 16, 2024, 09:29:48 PMHow about Rashford on loan?
Simple loans always seem a bit pointless and Utd aren't going to sell him to us for the sort of money we'd spend on a 27 year old, and I don't think he'd be interested in coming here anyway (especially as he has a £300k pw salary until summer 2028!).
Would obviously be v interesting if we could wangle it, but I think there will be CL teams who think they can bring the best out of him. Arsenal, for example, might be tempted to have him on the left and Saka on the right, and I'm sure Bayern would consider another Englishman to play on the left of Kane...
This is the one situation where a simple loan makes sense. We need cover for Nelson for a few months and it might be too expensive to buy one in January. Now United would need to cover a ton of wages, but it does make some sense for us and them.
Quote from: btffc on December 16, 2024, 10:39:07 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on December 16, 2024, 10:31:12 PMQuote from: Jeroen on December 16, 2024, 09:29:48 PMHow about Rashford on loan?
Simple loans always seem a bit pointless and Utd aren't going to sell him to us for the sort of money we'd spend on a 27 year old, and I don't think he'd be interested in coming here anyway (especially as he has a £300k pw salary until summer 2028!).
Would obviously be v interesting if we could wangle it, but I think there will be CL teams who think they can bring the best out of him. Arsenal, for example, might be tempted to have him on the left and Saka on the right, and I'm sure Bayern would consider another Englishman to play on the left of Kane...
This is the one situation where a simple loan makes sense. We need cover for Nelson for a few months and it might be too expensive to buy one in January. Now United would need to cover a ton of wages, but it does make some sense for us and them.
I get what you're saying, but It'd be such a crazy risk for Rashford to step down to a team like us whilst in his prime years and I don't see him going for it.
If it goes well on loan here, he's only going back to the Utd squad to prove he deserves to start for them (ie where he already is); if it doesn't go well, he's deemed a 'has been' who 'can't cut it even in a mid table team' and any possible interest from CL sides disappears.
It's basically what happened to Jesse Lingard after his (v successful) West Ham loan and then his (v unsuccessful) spell at Forest... I just don't think Marcus would go for it, and rightly so tbh.
He'd be wiser taking the Utd wages on the bench there, or pushing for a move to a CL team.
Just my opinion, obviously, and I'm under no illusions about what a quality 'get' he'd be for us on the left!
Quote from: General on December 16, 2024, 07:41:34 PMOut of all the players I'd consider selling, the two at the moment would be Pereira. He seems to want out and his performances whilst decent and consistent haven't been the same. It's telling his best ones are against the best clubs, but even then he needs to realise that he has to do that consistently week in and week out against every team to get the big moves.
Pereira is only one player. Or are you gonna sell him twice?
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 06:49:01 PMIf the squad is "balanced" as you put then if we ran a poll now, "in which position do Fulham most need to upgrade?", you'd expect an even mix of responses, with some saying striker but just as many saying LB, GK etc. I don't think that would be that outcome, reckon 90% (probably more) recognise we're in dire need of a striker.
1. I never said the squad was balanced I said the spending was balanced across the squad. Fulham spent on CB's and are very strong there. Didn't invest much at FB but didn't need to. Spent on the midfield and are as strong or stronger there than before even without ESR firing on all cylinders. Spent on Iwobi who is a significant upgrade over BDR. Spent on forwards where we are weaker.
2. I read as many comments that Fulham need an upgrade on the wing over a striker as I read that Fulham need to prioritize a new striker.
3. Do you agree or disagree that this Fulham squad is stronger overall than any squad Mitro was in? I think it's very relevant to the conversation.
Quote from: WokingFFC on December 16, 2024, 08:57:11 PMIMO, the priority is to show ambition, keep AR and add more quality to the team / squad each season
I would prioritise the opposite objective "maintain our position while writing off book value (ie transfer fees), getting the squad younger and building an FFP war chest" so we can challenge for Europe in 3-5 years like Brighton and Aston Villa.
Quote from: Hatch007 on December 16, 2024, 10:54:10 PMQuote from: General on December 16, 2024, 07:41:34 PMOut of all the players I'd consider selling, the two at the moment would be Pereira. He seems to want out and his performances whilst decent and consistent haven't been the same. It's telling his best ones are against the best clubs, but even then he needs to realise that he has to do that consistently week in and week out against every team to get the big moves.
Pereira is only one player. Or are you gonna sell him twice?
Good spot. The other was Robinson, just from a performance/profit perspective- but perhaps my unconscious mind stopped me from writing it because I want him to stay and its not all about money.
Quote from: BarryP on December 17, 2024, 12:30:27 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 06:49:01 PMIf the squad is "balanced" as you put then if we ran a poll now, "in which position do Fulham most need to upgrade?", you'd expect an even mix of responses, with some saying striker but just as many saying LB, GK etc. I don't think that would be that outcome, reckon 90% (probably more) recognise we're in dire need of a striker.
1. I never said the squad was balanced I said the spending was balanced across the squad. Fulham spent on CB's and are very strong there. Didn't invest much at FB but didn't need to. Spent on the midfield and are as strong or stronger there than before even without ESR firing on all cylinders. Spent on Iwobi who is a significant upgrade over BDR. Spent on forwards where we are weaker.
2. I read as many comments that Fulham need an upgrade on the wing over a striker as I read that Fulham need to prioritize a new striker.
3. Do you agree or disagree that this Fulham squad is stronger overall than any squad Mitro was in? I think it's very relevant to the conversation.
1. Seems we agree the current squad is unbalanced, ok.
2. I disagree, see for example the "Are we looking for a striker?" thread, but i accept this point is a matter of our subjective perception, and also that popular opinion is somewhat fickle/fluid anyway.
3. Yes I do think this squad is better than the last squad we had with Mitrovic in it. However, the difference is faily mild - at this point in the 22/23 season, we were in the same position (8th), with around 5-6 of the same starting XI and several others (Mitrovic, Palhinha and Willian) who'd walk into our current XI. But I don't think that proves much in our debate - in the two years since then, we and our peers have had a net budget in excess of £100m to improve, and i think expecting a newly-promoted side to at least slightly improve after three years of PL stability is a pretty basic minimum expectation.
Quote from: Jeroen on December 16, 2024, 09:29:48 PMHow about Rashford on loan?
It would constitute a step up for Rashford....should be an easy sell on a personal level, good luck getting Utd to pick up 2/3's of his salary.
Quote from: Jeroen on December 16, 2024, 09:29:48 PMHow about Rashford on loan?
No way. His attitude which stinks would destroy the wonderful team spirit we have at the moment.
Quote from: sarnian on December 17, 2024, 09:08:00 AMQuote from: Jeroen on December 16, 2024, 09:29:48 PMHow about Rashford on loan?
No way. His attitude which stinks would destroy the wonderful team spirit we have at the moment.
Yes a good point, he does have an attitude, probably one of the reasons he is surplus to requirements at Old Trafford, and the last thing Fulham need is a big time Charlie.
Rashford would probably make about as much effort as Hudson-Odoi did.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 05:05:40 PMQuote from: Jim© on December 16, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
I think that's just creative obfuscation really. Anyone looking at our team sheets can see that beforehand we had Mitro up front, now we have Jiminez, ipso facto Jiminez replaced Mitro. I get what you're saying about us strengthening other areas but we're not to in a sell-to-buy position where we couldn't have bought those players without selling Mitrovic. It's a bit like my wife asking me replace the broken door on our washing machine and me claiming we don't need to because I got the car MOT'd. Two different things.
Well it's not, it's about how the team as a whole performs, not one player.
Your analogy doesn't make any sense as the washing machine door has no relevance at all to the car. If you'd said that your wife had asked you to replace the door, but you didn't get the most expensive one you could but instead spent the money on a door, a new seal, filter and a replacement detergent drawer surely that improves the whole machine not just the door? Same as the squad.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on December 17, 2024, 09:33:12 AMRashford would probably make about as much effort as Hudson-Odoi did.
Dont you mean Loftus-Cheek
Quote from: Jim© on December 17, 2024, 09:46:58 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 05:05:40 PMQuote from: Jim© on December 16, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
I think that's just creative obfuscation really. Anyone looking at our team sheets can see that beforehand we had Mitro up front, now we have Jiminez, ipso facto Jiminez replaced Mitro. I get what you're saying about us strengthening other areas but we're not to in a sell-to-buy position where we couldn't have bought those players without selling Mitrovic. It's a bit like my wife asking me replace the broken door on our washing machine and me claiming we don't need to because I got the car MOT'd. Two different things.
Well it's not, it's about how the team as a whole performs, not one player.
Your analogy doesn't make any sense as the washing machine door has no relevance at all to the car. If you'd said that your wife had asked you to replace the door, but you didn't get the most expensive one you could but instead spent the money on a door, a new seal, filter and a replacement detergent drawer surely that improves the whole machine not just the door? Same as the squad.
On both this and my reply to Barry above, it ultimately depends where you want to finish.
IMO we should be pushing for 7th, and we won't get there with Jiminez/Muniz. Yes we have a good squad but we'll continue to waste chances like we did in the first half against Wolves, and those dropped points will cause us to fall short.
If we finish 7th, I'll eat my words, and if you're content just to perpetually finish 10th-13th, fine, that's your prerogative and I don't dispute we can do that with Jiminez/Muniz
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:58:42 AMQuote from: Jim© on December 17, 2024, 09:46:58 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 05:05:40 PMQuote from: Jim© on December 16, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
I think that's just creative obfuscation really. Anyone looking at our team sheets can see that beforehand we had Mitro up front, now we have Jiminez, ipso facto Jiminez replaced Mitro. I get what you're saying about us strengthening other areas but we're not to in a sell-to-buy position where we couldn't have bought those players without selling Mitrovic. It's a bit like my wife asking me replace the broken door on our washing machine and me claiming we don't need to because I got the car MOT'd. Two different things.
Well it's not, it's about how the team as a whole performs, not one player.
Your analogy doesn't make any sense as the washing machine door has no relevance at all to the car. If you'd said that your wife had asked you to replace the door, but you didn't get the most expensive one you could but instead spent the money on a door, a new seal, filter and a replacement detergent drawer surely that improves the whole machine not just the door? Same as the squad.
On both this and my reply to Barry above, it ultimately depends where you want to finish.
IMO we should be pushing for 7th, and we won't get there with Jiminez/Muniz. Yes we have a good squad but we'll continue to waste chances like we did in the first half against Wolves, and those dropped points will cause us to fall short.
If we finish 7th, I'll eat my words, and if you're content just to perpetually finish 10th-13th, fine, that's your prerogative and I don't dispute we can do that with Jiminez/Muniz
Why though? It's half way through and weve been higher than that and are currently 1 point off it in 8th?
And What about 7-10th? For a club like Fulham that's up there with what, top 4% of finishes ever?
Seems team have mentioned a few times this is the goal this year, to be top half and if we can stay in the European race then great. Then build on that.
Given were 3 points off 5th and have been in and around this pack for most of the season , now nearly the halfway stage, I'm not sure why it's deemed unforeseeable that we can finish around here challenging for 7th with what we have when we're literally 1 point behind having just got 5 points against Brighton Arsenal and Tottenham and on paper some very winnable fixtures over the next 2months.
Fwiw I would like a top striker too, who wouldn't, but again splashing mad cash at it isn't a guarantee either. Many were calling for that cash to be spent on Beto for example only for him to score a whopping 4 league goals in 1.5 seasons.
We've failed to score once all season in the prem against utd away. We certainly need to covert more compared to chance creation, but I don't see a huge reason with the consistant XG that one of our players or strikers couldnt go on another great streak as strikers can...Muniz did it just last year after all.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:58:42 AMOn both this and my reply to Barry above, it ultimately depends where you want to finish.
IMO we should be pushing for 7th, and we won't get there with Jiminez/Muniz. Yes we have a good squad but we'll continue to waste chances like we did in the first half against Wolves, and those dropped points will cause us to fall short.
If we finish 7th, I'll eat my words, and if you're content just to perpetually finish 10th-13th, fine, that's your prerogative and I don't dispute we can do that with Jiminez/Muniz
I genuinely don't understand how we couldn't or how you've worked out that we wont get there with Raul/Muniz. Firstly we've scored in more consecutive games than ever before in the top flight.
Secondly, dropped points are caused at both ends- defend better, we don't concede. Just two clean sheets all season. Do you also think that we need to overhaul the defence on that basis?
I think personally that we're good enough and that's based on watching us all season. A couple of annoying blips (Villa & Wolves at home) but aside from that we've competed against every team and should have more points (not just because of our CF's abilities). We have never IMO played so well against every team we've faced, we're normally fodder for the top 4, I'd be gutted if we were as low as 13th.
Quote from: jayffc on December 17, 2024, 01:36:03 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:58:42 AMQuote from: Jim© on December 17, 2024, 09:46:58 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 05:05:40 PMQuote from: Jim© on December 16, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
I think that's just creative obfuscation really. Anyone looking at our team sheets can see that beforehand we had Mitro up front, now we have Jiminez, ipso facto Jiminez replaced Mitro. I get what you're saying about us strengthening other areas but we're not to in a sell-to-buy position where we couldn't have bought those players without selling Mitrovic. It's a bit like my wife asking me replace the broken door on our washing machine and me claiming we don't need to because I got the car MOT'd. Two different things.
Well it's not, it's about how the team as a whole performs, not one player.
Your analogy doesn't make any sense as the washing machine door has no relevance at all to the car. If you'd said that your wife had asked you to replace the door, but you didn't get the most expensive one you could but instead spent the money on a door, a new seal, filter and a replacement detergent drawer surely that improves the whole machine not just the door? Same as the squad.
On both this and my reply to Barry above, it ultimately depends where you want to finish.
IMO we should be pushing for 7th, and we won't get there with Jiminez/Muniz. Yes we have a good squad but we'll continue to waste chances like we did in the first half against Wolves, and those dropped points will cause us to fall short.
If we finish 7th, I'll eat my words, and if you're content just to perpetually finish 10th-13th, fine, that's your prerogative and I don't dispute we can do that with Jiminez/Muniz
We certainly need to covert more compared to chance creation
Eh, that's not really what the numbers say. The numbers say we're doing a decent job finishing the chances we create, but not creating enough good chances.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 02:48:54 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 17, 2024, 01:36:03 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:58:42 AMQuote from: Jim© on December 17, 2024, 09:46:58 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 05:05:40 PMQuote from: Jim© on December 16, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 01:46:12 PMWe also need to reinvest the proceeds. I disagree that we've coped with the loss of Mitrovic. We replaced a £50m striker with a £5m striker and we're remain hugely weaker for having done so IMO.
I guess it's not quite as binary as "replacing" a player for player.
For example, if you think that we reinvested the Mitro money in Raul, Iwobi, Bassey, Castagne then the investment in the squad suddenly looks way more positive.
I think that's just creative obfuscation really. Anyone looking at our team sheets can see that beforehand we had Mitro up front, now we have Jiminez, ipso facto Jiminez replaced Mitro. I get what you're saying about us strengthening other areas but we're not to in a sell-to-buy position where we couldn't have bought those players without selling Mitrovic. It's a bit like my wife asking me replace the broken door on our washing machine and me claiming we don't need to because I got the car MOT'd. Two different things.
Well it's not, it's about how the team as a whole performs, not one player.
Your analogy doesn't make any sense as the washing machine door has no relevance at all to the car. If you'd said that your wife had asked you to replace the door, but you didn't get the most expensive one you could but instead spent the money on a door, a new seal, filter and a replacement detergent drawer surely that improves the whole machine not just the door? Same as the squad.
On both this and my reply to Barry above, it ultimately depends where you want to finish.
IMO we should be pushing for 7th, and we won't get there with Jiminez/Muniz. Yes we have a good squad but we'll continue to waste chances like we did in the first half against Wolves, and those dropped points will cause us to fall short.
If we finish 7th, I'll eat my words, and if you're content just to perpetually finish 10th-13th, fine, that's your prerogative and I don't dispute we can do that with Jiminez/Muniz
We certainly need to covert more compared to chance creation
Eh, that's not really what the numbers say. The numbers say we're doing a decent job finishing the chances we create, but not creating enough good chances.
What do they say? I haven't checked last couple weeks but my understanding was that our prior to Liveprool and Arsenal, our XG was higher in almost all games this season than our opponents (and better than in previous seasons) but that we haven't scored quite as many goals as our XG suggests we should.
So that's the numbers I'm going off, feel free to share what I've missed.
Of course this doesnt flat out mean - new striker = more goals, our strikers of course with their general play will have played a key part in our XG being as high as it has been in the first place. But you get the point
We 💯 need a striker in this window we miss way too many easy chances. Let's show some ambition. Vinicius will be off in Jan wages off the books . As for Rashford even if we did have 80 million and pay his 350,000 a week wages no thanks .
Ok taking a look it seems the last run of 3-4 games has altered our stats significantly since I last checked (unsupirisng as we played some good teams that held us to lower XG in arsenal and Liverpool, whilst scoring well compared to CG against Brighton and massively underperforming against wolves) The arsenal game particularly we only had an xg of 0.15
Our Average XG now seems to be 1.4 with our actual goals per game being 1.5
Our average XG conceded meanwhile is 1.33 whilst our actual conceded has been 1.38
So our current average XG is lower than our goals scored, and our average XG conceded lower than our actual conceded. This can of course swing, as we can see, with just a couple games though.
Make of that what one will, it is of course, all just stats at the end of the day.
Worth pointing out since we've been promoted no winger has scored more than 6 goals for us in the league. Looks like Iwobi is going to surpass this however. Goals need to be spread out across the team, but we've got accustomed to our teams goals coming from our no 9.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on December 17, 2024, 03:04:56 PMWe 💯 need a striker in this window we miss way too many easy chances. Let's show some ambition. Vinicius will be off in Jan wages off the books . As for Rashford even if we did have 80 million and pay his 350,000 a week wages no thanks .
Given Nelson is likely to be out until March and hasn't rattled the net, I'd rather we unearthed a young Willian or a Cherki who would contribute to our goal tally from out wide...
XG and possession stats don't mean anything Southampton had 67% possession a couple of weeks ago and lost 3-0. Goals for and goals against columns is what I look at statistics wise. Fulham could have 5% possession and win who cares stick the ball in the onion bag
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on December 17, 2024, 03:56:42 PMXG and possession stats don't mean anything Southampton had 67% possession a couple of weeks ago and lost 3-0. Goals for and goals against columns is what I look at statistics wise. Fulham could have 5% possession and win who cares stick the ball in the onion bag
In isolation, sure. But The point is that over the course of a season high XG on average is likely an indicator that you are creating alot of decent chances, and over time that should in theory average out to more goals scored ,if maintained high XG means more chances to score. And over a large set of games, if one has a giant XG and in comparison low amount of goals scored one can reasonably conclude that finishing has been one signfiicant part of the issue.
Possession stats don't mean anything in isolation on any given day, but without the ball you can't score and can concede. That's just a fact that over time is likely to lead, over the course of a season, to less time to create chances and more time to concede them, if generally you are more out of possession than in it.
so unless you are deliberately and successfully playing that way with players set up to break at speed and defend doggedly , ya likely to find ya self lower down come the end of the season.
If you look up the possession percentages at the end of last season, the teams with the lowest percentages were mostly in relegation fights, and the teams that won it or were competing were generally higher up in possession percentages there are outliers of course but they are the exception rather than the norm
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/2023-2024/possession/2023-2024-Premier-League-Stats
It's for this reason that I suspect teams like Nottingham forest are in a bit of a false position this year, low possession stats but relying heavily on the form of Chris wood poaching. That's fine so far, but over the course of a season id hazard it's less likely sustainable given the amount of possession they concede. Time will tell if their score and then sit back tactics prevail long term.
Quote from: JimOG on December 17, 2024, 03:52:12 PMQuote from: RAY Rock ???? on December 17, 2024, 03:04:56 PMWe 💯 need a striker in this window we miss way too many easy chances. Let's show some ambition. Vinicius will be off in Jan wages off the books . As for Rashford even if we did have 80 million and pay his 350,000 a week wages no thanks .
Given Nelson is likely to be out until March and hasn't rattled the net, I'd rather we unearthed a young Willian or a Cherki who would contribute to our goal tally from out wide...
He has scored twice for us this season, Traore once (3 assists), Wilson 3 times, Iwobi 5 (3 assists), ESR (rarely wide I know- has three goals. Thats a good return as a group. Willian for example only scored 5 at most per season with us. (same as wilson last season who also got 9 assists!)
How haven't we signed anyone yet!?
Edit** Ah I see you retracted your question before I had replied Angus. It seems you were wondering how many teams finish 7th with a striker only on 12 goals (Rauls current projection according to Goals per game I assume) with the suggestion presumably that it's likely very rare? I'm assuming you looked it up and retracted which is reasonable - perhaps you saw what I did below - hopefully it gives ya some belief in its possibility.**
It didnt happen last year but
Brighton Finished 6th in 22/23 with a top scorer of 10 Goals (Macallister)
Chelsea 3rd in 21/22 top scorer on 10 goals (Mount)
Arsenal 5th in 21/22 Top scorer: 11 (Saka)
West Ham 7th in 21/22 Top scorer : 12 (Bowen)
West Ham 6th in 20-21: top scorer on 10 (antonio)
Utd and Wolves scraped it in 18/19 6th and 7th with 13 goal top scorers each (Pogba & Jiminez)
Chelsea 6th 17/18 - 12 Goal (Hazard)
Burnley 7th 17/18 - 10 Gols (Wood)
Will leave it at that for sake of not spending further going back over last 10 seasons or beyond but plenty of instances over the years then of clubs finishing 7th or above with a top scorer 12 goals or under. Also in 2 or 3 of these cases the top scorer wasn't even their striker.
Statistically not sure what the percentages would be but regardless it's certainly more than possible, and all this of course assuming Raul maintains exactly the same form as current.
Coming here to reply to Angus and he's deleted his post! Anyhow, to answer your question Angus, over the past 10 seasons a club whose top PL scorer had 12 goals or fewer finished 7th or better 15 times (and on three of those occasions the club in question qualified for the Champions League!). That means 21% of the teams who've finished top 7 in the past ten seasons have lacked a goal scorer who scored more than 12 goals in their league campaign.* So no, a team finishing in the top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer is not nearly as rare as you seemed to suggest in your post which you quickly deleted.
*And if you expand your criteria just slightly to teams without a 15 goal scorer, you add a further 4 (3 with a 13 goal scorer and 1 with a 14 goal scorer).
I think it's fairly straight forward. We have the best chance we'll ever get to finish in the top 6 but only if we get a centre forward in who hits the ground running. Some big 'buts' there.
Nothing wrong with Jiminez or Muniz but we need that special something up top if we want top 6.
Quote from: jayffc on December 17, 2024, 08:19:02 PMDidnt happen last year but
You missed one there. Chelsea finished 4th in 20-21 and their top league scorer (Jorghino) only had 7!
Quote from: FFC1987 on December 17, 2024, 04:44:26 PMHow haven't we signed anyone yet!?
I know; Khan out, Silva out, Ali Mack out..........anyone else I've missed out?
Quote from: LC on December 17, 2024, 08:23:57 PMI think it's fairly straight forward. We have the best chance we'll ever get to finish in the top 6 but only if we get a centre forward in who hits the ground running. Some big 'buts' there.
Nothing wrong with Jiminez or Muniz but we need that special something up top if we want top 6.
Even if we get a striker in, there is no guarantee that he will score goals.
Sess.is lurking around somewhere, he has demonstrated in the past that he can score goals, what has Silva got in mind for him. A replacement left back for Robinson or a goalscoring midfield player.
Quote from: jayffc on December 17, 2024, 08:19:02 PMEdit** Ah I see you retracted your question before I had replied Angus. It seems you were wondering how many teams finish 7th with a striker only on 12 goals (Rauls current projection according to Goals per game I assume) with the suggestion presumably that it's likely very rare? I'm assuming you looked it up and retracted which is reasonable - perhaps you saw what I did below - hopefully it gives ya some belief in its possibility.**
It didnt happen last year but
Brighton Finished 6th in 22/23 with a top scorer of 10 Goals (Macallister)
Chelsea 3rd in 21/22 top scorer on 10 goals (Mount)
Arsenal 5th in 21/22 Top scorer: 11 (Saka)
West Ham 7th in 21/22 Top scorer : 12 (Bowen)
West Ham 6th in 20-21: top scorer on 10 (antonio)
Utd and Wolves scraped it in 18/19 6th and 7th with 13 goal top scorers each (Pogba & Jiminez)
Chelsea 6th 17/18 - 12 Goal (Hazard)
Burnley 7th 17/18 - 10 Gols (Wood)
Will leave it at that for sake of not spending further going back over last 10 seasons or beyond but plenty of instances over the years then of clubs finishing 7th or above with a top scorer 12 goals or under. Also in 2 or 3 of these cases the top scorer wasn't even their striker.
Statistically not sure what the percentages would be but regardless it's certainly more than possible, and all this of course assuming Raul maintains exactly the same form as current.
I retracted it because I felt like I'd posted an unhealthy amount of times on the thread, but since you've now pretty much left me no option to continue, I'll say that you scanning the entire top 7 going back 7 seasons (ie 49 teams) and found 9 that did it, I make that an 82% majority that did have a high goalscorer. Then factor in how many of those teams had another striker on 10+ goals (eg West Ham/Antonio in 21/22) which we almost certainly won't, and I bet it's more like 90%+. Hence the 12 goal Clint Dempsey seasons like I already mentioned, are somewhat a freak occurrence.
As a slight aside for the record, the point of these posts from me isn't that we need to sign another striker in January. The Jan window is an awful time to do business. The mistake in not replacing Mitrovic was made in summer 2023, and perpetuated in summer 2024, but now IMO we should suck it up for this season and fix it in summer 2025 (early in the window).
Our leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
we need a target man like Sandro Kulenovic
Quote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th, there's no need to clog the thread with an argument. Let's just wait five months and we'll know. I'm gonna stick my neck out and say a team that lost 4-1 at home to Wolves, and is still put about 12th in the league by the bookies, ain't finishing 7th. The two seasons you mention are outliers in PL history, and in both we played a much more defence oriented style. Happy to eat my words if I'm wrong, or we could even have a wager.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th
There you go with a strawman argument. You know I never said anything about where we'll finish this season. I've simply pointed out in multiple posts that your original post (which you deleted, and we all know why...I mean seriously, when have you ever been concerned about posting an "unhealthy amount of times" in a thread???), in which you suggested that a team finishing 7th or better in the PL without a 13+ goal scorer is basically rarer than hen's teeth*, was flat out wrong. Over the past decade plus, ~20% of the teams finishing in the top 7 have lacked a 13+ goal scorer.
*And tbc, that's exactly what you were suggesting in the deleted post...and I obviously wasn't the only one to notice it.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 09:00:14 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 17, 2024, 08:19:02 PMEdit** Ah I see you retracted your question before I had replied Angus. It seems you were wondering how many teams finish 7th with a striker only on 12 goals (Rauls current projection according to Goals per game I assume) with the suggestion presumably that it's likely very rare? I'm assuming you looked it up and retracted which is reasonable - perhaps you saw what I did below - hopefully it gives ya some belief in its possibility.**
It didnt happen last year but
Brighton Finished 6th in 22/23 with a top scorer of 10 Goals (Macallister)
Chelsea 3rd in 21/22 top scorer on 10 goals (Mount)
Arsenal 5th in 21/22 Top scorer: 11 (Saka)
West Ham 7th in 21/22 Top scorer : 12 (Bowen)
West Ham 6th in 20-21: top scorer on 10 (antonio)
Utd and Wolves scraped it in 18/19 6th and 7th with 13 goal top scorers each (Pogba & Jiminez)
Chelsea 6th 17/18 - 12 Goal (Hazard)
Burnley 7th 17/18 - 10 Gols (Wood)
Will leave it at that for sake of not spending further going back over last 10 seasons or beyond but plenty of instances over the years then of clubs finishing 7th or above with a top scorer 12 goals or under. Also in 2 or 3 of these cases the top scorer wasn't even their striker.
Statistically not sure what the percentages would be but regardless it's certainly more than possible, and all this of course assuming Raul maintains exactly the same form as current.
I retracted it because I felt like I'd posted an unhealthy amount of times on the thread, but since you've now pretty much left me no option to continue, I'll say that you scanning the entire top 7 going back 7 seasons (ie 49 teams) and found 9 that did it, I make that an 82% majority that did have a high goalscorer. Then factor in how many of those teams had another striker on 10+ goals (eg West Ham/Antonio in 21/22) which we almost certainly won't, and I bet it's more like 90%+. Hence the 12 goal Clint Dempsey seasons like I already mentioned, are somewhat a freak occurrence.
As a slight aside for the record, the point of these posts from me isn't that we need to sign another striker in January. The Jan window is an awful time to do business. The mistake in not replacing Mitrovic was made in summer 2023, and perpetuated in summer 2024, but now IMO we should suck it up for this season and fix it in summer 2025 (early in the window).
Why so sure that we won't have another player able to hit 10? It's not the norm but it's certainly plausible.
We already have Iwobi also on 5 and ESR and Wilson on 3 with 22 games to go, it's not out of the question for one of our players to go on a streak like Muniz did last year (including Raul)
Also youre detracting from the original point here again (a bit of a pattern tbh at this point ) and obscuring things.
Talking about percentages and an 82% majority etc is by the by when it relates to all top 7 positions including title winners/chasers etc. thats not the point.
far more relevant way to look at it in the original context you were arguing is that in 5 of the last 7 seasons a team has finished 7th ...or even higher without a 13+ goal striker. So its something that's happened most seasons of late - that at least 1, but even up to 3 teams in a season manage it. So why not us?
In saying so, no one's guaranteeing here we finish 7th or is lumping cash on it or saying it's the most likely scenario, were just not as glass half empty and so dont get bogged down in the same sort of doubling down on the negative perspective all the time. We clearly have so far shown we can compete around there with what we have, is it possible we don't maintain that enough to compete for 7th? Sure, but it's also completely reasonable to suggest we can, because we are so far.
OBVIOUSLY the odds are against us doing so, and obviously having a 15+ goal striker is useful. But it's easier said than done and a bit of an over simplistic statement (Even solanke this season had nigh on 60m spent in him only to score the same as Iwobi and Raul so far, you'd bloody expect him to be doubling their total at this point for that kinda money)
I agree January isn't the best for value but if there's an option available I'd be up for some extra firepower, if only to see vinicius depart and give us anotber viable option. But I still see that what we have has clearly contributed very well to being in the race for 7th and so In the meantime I hope Muniz' goal at Liverpool helps boost him and we/he can get a few more under our belt against Southampton.
With Raul aging we will eventually bring in competition him soon ,if not in Jan then potentially in the summer. Top half is the goal for the year according to the squad and manager, hopefully we can keep competing as well as we have been all year.
Quote from: alfie on December 17, 2024, 08:28:50 PMQuote from: LC on December 17, 2024, 08:23:57 PMI think it's fairly straight forward. We have the best chance we'll ever get to finish in the top 6 but only if we get a centre forward in who hits the ground running. Some big 'buts' there.
Nothing wrong with Jiminez or Muniz but we need that special something up top if we want top 6.
Even if we get a striker in, there is no guarantee that he will score goals.
You could say that about any player lol. Of course there's no guarantees, but if we have the budget and the right player comes along we should move for him
Quote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 11:13:27 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th
There you go with a strawman argument. You know I never said anything about where we'll finish this season. I've simply pointed out in multiple posts that your original post (which you deleted, and we all know why...I mean seriously, when have you ever been concerned about posting an "unhealthy amount of times" in a thread???) in which you suggested that a team finishing 7th or better in the PL without a 13+ goal scorer is basically rarer than hen's teeth* was flat out wrong. Over the past decade plus, ~20% of the teams finishing in the top 7 have lacked a 13+ goal scorer.
*And tbc, that's exactly what you were suggesting in the deleted post...and I obviously wasn't the only one to notice it.
My last four posts before this one all mention the aim/litmus test (IMO) of finishing at least 7th. It's hardly a tangential strawman I've suddenly turned to.
The stats you've produced about other teams confirm the point I made at outset, that to finish in the top 7, you generally need someone scoring more goals than any of our strikers are on course to score this season.
As a general rule on here, when you start speculating about the psychology behind someone's post, rather than debating the facts at hand (Jay often does this too, when he speculates that I hate TK) it means you've lost the argument. I suggest you call it a day, and as I said, having posted too much on this thread already, I will too.
Goodnight.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 08:05:22 AMQuote from: BarryP on December 17, 2024, 12:30:27 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 06:49:01 PMIf the squad is "balanced" as you put then if we ran a poll now, "in which position do Fulham most need to upgrade?", you'd expect an even mix of responses, with some saying striker but just as many saying LB, GK etc. I don't think that would be that outcome, reckon 90% (probably more) recognise we're in dire need of a striker.
1. I never said the squad was balanced I said the spending was balanced across the squad. Fulham spent on CB's and are very strong there. Didn't invest much at FB but didn't need to. Spent on the midfield and are as strong or stronger there than before even without ESR firing on all cylinders. Spent on Iwobi who is a significant upgrade over BDR. Spent on forwards where we are weaker.
2. I read as many comments that Fulham need an upgrade on the wing over a striker as I read that Fulham need to prioritize a new striker.
3. Do you agree or disagree that this Fulham squad is stronger overall than any squad Mitro was in? I think it's very relevant to the conversation.
1. Seems we agree the current squad is unbalanced, ok.
2. I disagree, see for example the "Are we looking for a striker?" thread, but i accept this point is a matter of our subjective perception, and also that popular opinion is somewhat fickle/fluid anyway.
3. Yes I do think this squad is better than the last squad we had with Mitrovic in it. However, the difference is faily mild - at this point in the 22/23 season, we were in the same position (8th), with around 5-6 of the same starting XI and several others (Mitrovic, Palhinha and Willian) who'd walk into our current XI. But I don't think that proves much in our debate - in the two years since then, we and our peers have had a net budget in excess of £100m to improve, and i think expecting a newly-promoted side to at least slightly improve after three years of PL stability is a pretty basic minimum expectation.
Seems I may be a little more optimistic about the squad as it stands today and you may be a little more optimistic about Fulham being able to find a starting upgrade at forward in the winter window. Fair enough.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 11:13:27 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th
There you go with a strawman argument. You know I never said anything about where we'll finish this season. I've simply pointed out in multiple posts that your original post (which you deleted, and we all know why...I mean seriously, when have you ever been concerned about posting an "unhealthy amount of times" in a thread???), in which you suggested that a team finishing 7th or better in the PL without a 13+ goal scorer is basically rarer than hen's teeth*, was flat out wrong. Over the past decade plus, ~20% of the teams finishing in the top 7 have lacked a 13+ goal scorer.
*And tbc, that's exactly what you were suggesting in the deleted post...and I obviously wasn't the only one to notice it.
The examples you have given us are over a decade old. I'm sure if you compare anything current to 10+ years ago, it will not be very relevant. As you said about 20% of those in the past decade who finished top 7 didn't have a 13+ striker, which means if you did have one you were four times more likely to end up in top 7. Don't think anyone is saying buying a new striker will guarantee top seven or even guarantee 10+ goals a season, just look at the current lot we bought. If we had someone like Mitro, who is more than capable of 10+ a season, in our current squad we'd be in for a shout to finish top 7.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:56:56 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 11:13:27 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th
There you go with a strawman argument. You know I never said anything about where we'll finish this season. I've simply pointed out in multiple posts that your original post (which you deleted, and we all know why...I mean seriously, when have you ever been concerned about posting an "unhealthy amount of times" in a thread???) in which you suggested that a team finishing 7th or better in the PL without a 13+ goal scorer is basically rarer than hen's teeth* was flat out wrong. Over the past decade plus, ~20% of the teams finishing in the top 7 have lacked a 13+ goal scorer.
*And tbc, that's exactly what you were suggesting in the deleted post...and I obviously wasn't the only one to notice it.
My last four posts before this one all mention the aim/litmus test (IMO) of finishing at least 7th. It's hardly a tangential strawman I've suddenly turned to.
The stats you've produced about other teams confirm the point I made at outset, that to finish in the top 7, you generally need someone scoring more goals than any of our strikers are on course to score this season.
1) Of course you were engaging in a straw man argument in that reply to me.
I'd never said anything about where I thought we were going to finish this season. In both my previous posts (#'s 170 and 177) all I had done is point out that you were clearly mistaken when you suggested that it was extremely rare for a club to finish top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And instead of just admitting you were wrong, you attempted to shift the argument/discussion to a topic I had said nothing about. Exactly the kind of tactic certain posters take when they've clearly lost an argument.
2)The stats do no such thing (confirm the point you made at the outset, that is). In your original (deleted) post you were clearly suggesting that it is EXTREMELY rare for a team to finish in the top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And the stats produced by me (and another poster) make clear that you were wrong...over the past decade plus ~1.4 teams per season manage to do it.
Anyhow, I should have known better than to have engaged with you and that (now) deleted post as discussions with you on this board are, to put it charitably, rarely constructive.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:56:56 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 11:13:27 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th
There you go with a strawman argument. You know I never said anything about where we'll finish this season. I've simply pointed out in multiple posts that your original post (which you deleted, and we all know why...I mean seriously, when have you ever been concerned about posting an "unhealthy amount of times" in a thread???) in which you suggested that a team finishing 7th or better in the PL without a 13+ goal scorer is basically rarer than hen's teeth* was flat out wrong. Over the past decade plus, ~20% of the teams finishing in the top 7 have lacked a 13+ goal scorer.
*And tbc, that's exactly what you were suggesting in the deleted post...and I obviously wasn't the only one to notice it.
My last four posts before this one all mention the aim/litmus test (IMO) of finishing at least 7th. It's hardly a tangential strawman I've suddenly turned to.
The stats you've produced about other teams confirm the point I made at outset, that to finish in the top 7, you generally need someone scoring more goals than any of our strikers are on course to score this season.
As a general rule on here, when you start speculating about the psychology behind someone's post, rather than debating the facts at hand (Jay often does this too, when he speculates that I hate TK) it means you've lost the argument. I suggest you call it a day, and as I said, having posted too much on this thread already, I will too.
Goodnight.
1. The hilarity of you of all people hinting at anyone else making an argument personal here, instead of focusing on the facts, is the most pot kettle black post in the history of fof. Name calling, rudeness, belitting character assassination has been your constant go to and it's why you end up being met with a fraction of what you hand out only to then play victim. If you're going there though, It's not even that I think you hate TK at this point (though much of your consistant wording over the years clearly gives off the impression of someone at very least deeply and unnecessarily uncomfortable with people praising his work) but I think it all just comes second to simply hating being wrong so much here that you'll double down/throw strawmen/move goalposts & play semantic games till the death on the latest hill ,no matter the stockpiling evidence thrown at you, rather than ever actually hold ya hands up with grace.
2. Youve just done it again, The straw man here is making out you were arguing about finishing "top 7" (which Includes teams fighting for champions league and titles) And it's a subtle but key difference because that's separate to how regularly it happens that a team can achieve at least 7th that doesn't have a 13+ goal striker. (Which is what people responded to before it's deletion) And that, as pointed out, happens most years it seems, and often more than 1 team.
It's just subtle enough a semantic difference for you to make out it's the same thing and make the switch of wording... And I suspect you know that.
But that's not what you were arguing, particularly in your now deleted post (and agreed with chi, I didn't mention it at the time as wasnt worth getting into it, but frankly yes, we all know it wasnt deleted because you felt you were taking up too much space - lols, come off it)
Then you used an unrelated 80%+ stat which is deliberately misleading for the reasons mentioned already to muddy things. It's textbook
Quote from: Chi_FFC on December 18, 2024, 01:05:53 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:56:56 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 11:13:27 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th
There you go with a strawman argument. You know I never said anything about where we'll finish this season. I've simply pointed out in multiple posts that your original post (which you deleted, and we all know why...I mean seriously, when have you ever been concerned about posting an "unhealthy amount of times" in a thread???) in which you suggested that a team finishing 7th or better in the PL without a 13+ goal scorer is basically rarer than hen's teeth* was flat out wrong. Over the past decade plus, ~20% of the teams finishing in the top 7 have lacked a 13+ goal scorer.
*And tbc, that's exactly what you were suggesting in the deleted post...and I obviously wasn't the only one to notice it.
My last four posts before this one all mention the aim/litmus test (IMO) of finishing at least 7th. It's hardly a tangential strawman I've suddenly turned to.
The stats you've produced about other teams confirm the point I made at outset, that to finish in the top 7, you generally need someone scoring more goals than any of our strikers are on course to score this season.
1) Of course you were engaging in a straw man argument in that reply to me. I'd never said anything about where I thought we were going to finish this season. In both my previous posts (#'s 170 and 177) all I had done is point out that you were clearly mistaken when you suggested that it was extremely rare for a club to finish top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And instead of just admitting you were wrong, you attempted to shift the argument/discussion to a topic I had said nothing about. Exactly the kind of tactic certain posters take when they've clearly lost an argument.
2)They do no such thing (confirm the point you made at the outset, that is). In your original (deleted) post you were clearly suggesting that it is EXTREMELY rare for a team to finish in the top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And the stats produced by me (and another poster) make clear that you were wrong...over the past decade plus ~1.4 teams per season manage to do it.
Anyhow, I should have known better than to have engaged with you and that (now) deleted post as discussions with you on this board are, to put it charitably, rarely constructive.
And again tbc, it's not the 1.4 per season *out of 7 teams* that was the point of the argument, obviously fighting for the title and champs league is another level above and more rare to be in that pack without a prolific scorer , as you too have rightly spotted and called out.
You are right in saying that the stat points out that it happens
most years and that
at least one team manages to finish at least 7th (and often more than 1 team, and often even higher than 7th). And so why couldn't that be us this year? And agree, the conveniently deleted post was alluding that it very rarely happens that a* (singular) team manages this.
It is what it is. There will be no concession or admission, there never is, just now instead setting up an argument you weren't making (that Fulham will finish 7th) to make that the main take away. See through
To get things back on track before bed, before we get to our first post moaning about it not being about transfers (and fair enough ha)
Linked to a CAM
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1869131903607189948?t=fV4pzRLbiGY5rFpF0OLNaA&s=19
And a striker
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1869092044330934678?t=tNHp1RoBIp7WBZk5dNAz_A&s=19
https://youtu.be/s4klOFFM7qc?si=35v73lwpDmwwbyoD
(Not alot of highlight reels for Schmid but he plays mostly cm and cam for club and out wide for Austria)
Trb is about as rubbish a source as any tbh but hey. Silly season so why not
Fulham has FFP money available for the period from Dec 2024 to Jun 2027. The question is whether to spend that money improving the squad for i) the remainder of 24/25 season, ii) the season of 25/26, iii) the season of 26/27 and/or iv) having an established squad going into 27/28. Besides even if we finish 5th this season, I doubt we have the squad depth to play Premier League and Europe especially with players international commitments. Fulham need to think long-term.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 18, 2024, 04:17:23 AMFulham has FFP money available for the period from Dec 2024 to Jun 2027. The question is whether to spend that money improving the squad for i) the remainder of 24/25 season, ii) the season of 25/26, iii) the season of 26/27 and/or iv) having an established squad going into 27/28. Besides even if we finish 5th this season, I doubt we have the squad depth to play Premier League and Europe especially with players international commitments. Fulham need to think long-term.
Really depends what competition we are in. If we are in Conference League our youths and backups are plenty good for that until the knockouts. Europa would be more difficult and we would have to strengthen some but probably doable without wrecking our ability to compete in the PL too badly. Champions League would be rough, but it's also far fetched to think we would qualify.
Quote from: LC on December 17, 2024, 11:52:19 PMQuote from: alfie on December 17, 2024, 08:28:50 PMQuote from: LC on December 17, 2024, 08:23:57 PMI think it's fairly straight forward. We have the best chance we'll ever get to finish in the top 6 but only if we get a centre forward in who hits the ground running. Some big 'buts' there.
Nothing wrong with Jiminez or Muniz but we need that special something up top if we want top 6.
Even if we get a striker in, there is no guarantee that he will score goals.
You could say that about any player lol. Of course there's no guarantees, but if we have the budget and the right player comes along we should move for him
Yes of course you are correct, but people seem to think we get a striker in and all will be well.
Igamane for Rangers is quality, some of the goals he's been scoring have been absolute belters! A few Rangers fans I know singing his praises
Quote from: Chi_FFC on December 18, 2024, 01:05:53 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:56:56 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 11:13:27 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th
There you go with a strawman argument. You know I never said anything about where we'll finish this season. I've simply pointed out in multiple posts that your original post (which you deleted, and we all know why...I mean seriously, when have you ever been concerned about posting an "unhealthy amount of times" in a thread???) in which you suggested that a team finishing 7th or better in the PL without a 13+ goal scorer is basically rarer than hen's teeth* was flat out wrong. Over the past decade plus, ~20% of the teams finishing in the top 7 have lacked a 13+ goal scorer.
*And tbc, that's exactly what you were suggesting in the deleted post...and I obviously wasn't the only one to notice it.
My last four posts before this one all mention the aim/litmus test (IMO) of finishing at least 7th. It's hardly a tangential strawman I've suddenly turned to.
The stats you've produced about other teams confirm the point I made at outset, that to finish in the top 7, you generally need someone scoring more goals than any of our strikers are on course to score this season.
1) Of course you were engaging in a straw man argument in that reply to me. I'd never said anything about where I thought we were going to finish this season. In both my previous posts (#'s 170 and 177) all I had done is point out that you were clearly mistaken when you suggested that it was extremely rare for a club to finish top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And instead of just admitting you were wrong, you attempted to shift the argument/discussion to a topic I had said nothing about. Exactly the kind of tactic certain posters take when they've clearly lost an argument.
2)The stats do no such thing (confirm the point you made at the outset, that is). In your original (deleted) post you were clearly suggesting that it is EXTREMELY rare for a team to finish in the top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And the stats produced by me (and another poster) make clear that you were wrong...over the past decade plus ~1.4 teams per season manage to do it.
Anyhow, I should have known better than to have engaged with you and that (now) deleted post as discussions with you on this board are, to put it charitably, rarely constructive.
(1) I've already said up this thread that I think our current strike force is adequate to finish 11th/12th. If you're not concerned with finishing 7th, I'm not sure what we're fundamentally arguing about - it seems we're aligned.
(2) My post began with the words "I would be interested to know...". It didnt use the word "extremely", nor rely on it. That is, ironically, you redefining an argument that you can't otherwise win.
(3) Thanks for the unjustified insult. Again a hallmark of a lost argument.
Quote from: BarryP on December 18, 2024, 12:19:56 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 08:05:22 AMQuote from: BarryP on December 17, 2024, 12:30:27 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 16, 2024, 06:49:01 PMIf the squad is "balanced" as you put then if we ran a poll now, "in which position do Fulham most need to upgrade?", you'd expect an even mix of responses, with some saying striker but just as many saying LB, GK etc. I don't think that would be that outcome, reckon 90% (probably more) recognise we're in dire need of a striker.
1. I never said the squad was balanced I said the spending was balanced across the squad. Fulham spent on CB's and are very strong there. Didn't invest much at FB but didn't need to. Spent on the midfield and are as strong or stronger there than before even without ESR firing on all cylinders. Spent on Iwobi who is a significant upgrade over BDR. Spent on forwards where we are weaker.
2. I read as many comments that Fulham need an upgrade on the wing over a striker as I read that Fulham need to prioritize a new striker.
3. Do you agree or disagree that this Fulham squad is stronger overall than any squad Mitro was in? I think it's very relevant to the conversation.
1. Seems we agree the current squad is unbalanced, ok.
2. I disagree, see for example the "Are we looking for a striker?" thread, but i accept this point is a matter of our subjective perception, and also that popular opinion is somewhat fickle/fluid anyway.
3. Yes I do think this squad is better than the last squad we had with Mitrovic in it. However, the difference is faily mild - at this point in the 22/23 season, we were in the same position (8th), with around 5-6 of the same starting XI and several others (Mitrovic, Palhinha and Willian) who'd walk into our current XI. But I don't think that proves much in our debate - in the two years since then, we and our peers have had a net budget in excess of £100m to improve, and i think expecting a newly-promoted side to at least slightly improve after three years of PL stability is a pretty basic minimum expectation.
Seems I may be a little more optimistic about the squad as it stands today and you may be a little more optimistic about Fulham being able to find a starting upgrade at forward in the winter window. Fair enough.
FWIW, IMO we should wait until the summer rather than struggle in an unfavourable January market. But a fair and gracious reply Barry. Cheers ::thumb::
Quote from: LC on December 17, 2024, 08:23:57 PMI think it's fairly straight forward. We have the best chance we'll ever get to finish in the top 6 but only if we get a centre forward in who hits the ground running. Some big 'buts' there.
Nothing wrong with Jiminez or Muniz but we need that special something up top if we want top 6.
i genuinely don't know what a "something special" CF would have done differently over the past few games that would have increased our points haul? We barely had any chances and converted them (Raul v Arsenal very tidy, Muniz v Liverpool really classy finish).
We're over performing on our expected goals tally, and underperforming on our expected goals against. Now, there's loads of reasons for that; we're more attacking, play higher up the pitch, have let in a lot of long range shots etc.
Anyway, how nice it is to be arguing about who we need to get to Europe, not to keep us up!
BTW- i was a big advocate of getting Pavlidis (now Benfica) from AZ and now saying (on the basis that Dutch family rate him, I've only seen him in glimpses) getting Arokodare from Genk if we want a different type up front (and Vinicius is off).
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 18, 2024, 09:29:59 AMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 18, 2024, 01:05:53 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:56:56 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 11:13:27 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th
There you go with a strawman argument. You know I never said anything about where we'll finish this season. I've simply pointed out in multiple posts that your original post (which you deleted, and we all know why...I mean seriously, when have you ever been concerned about posting an "unhealthy amount of times" in a thread???) in which you suggested that a team finishing 7th or better in the PL without a 13+ goal scorer is basically rarer than hen's teeth* was flat out wrong. Over the past decade plus, ~20% of the teams finishing in the top 7 have lacked a 13+ goal scorer.
*And tbc, that's exactly what you were suggesting in the deleted post...and I obviously wasn't the only one to notice it.
My last four posts before this one all mention the aim/litmus test (IMO) of finishing at least 7th. It's hardly a tangential strawman I've suddenly turned to.
The stats you've produced about other teams confirm the point I made at outset, that to finish in the top 7, you generally need someone scoring more goals than any of our strikers are on course to score this season.
1) Of course you were engaging in a straw man argument in that reply to me. I'd never said anything about where I thought we were going to finish this season. In both my previous posts (#'s 170 and 177) all I had done is point out that you were clearly mistaken when you suggested that it was extremely rare for a club to finish top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And instead of just admitting you were wrong, you attempted to shift the argument/discussion to a topic I had said nothing about. Exactly the kind of tactic certain posters take when they've clearly lost an argument.
2)The stats do no such thing (confirm the point you made at the outset, that is). In your original (deleted) post you were clearly suggesting that it is EXTREMELY rare for a team to finish in the top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And the stats produced by me (and another poster) make clear that you were wrong...over the past decade plus ~1.4 teams per season manage to do it.
Anyhow, I should have known better than to have engaged with you and that (now) deleted post as discussions with you on this board are, to put it charitably, rarely constructive.
(1) I've already said up this thread that I think our current strike force is adequate to finish 11th/12th. If you're not concerned with finishing 7th, I'm not sure what we're fundamentally arguing about - it seems we're aligned.
(2) My post began with the words "I would be interested to know...". It didnt use the word "extremely", nor rely on it. That is, ironically, you redefining an argument that you can't otherwise win.
(3) Thanks for the unjustified insult. Again a hallmark of a lost argument.
Can I politely request that you all put this protracted argument to bed. This is a transfer thread and your debate adds nothing to it.
Quote from: Twig on December 18, 2024, 10:22:44 AMCan I politely request that you all put this protracted argument to bed. This is a transfer thread and your debate adds nothing to it.
tried to throw transfer news in for this reason fwiw , this thread has long created strong opinions though and the debate was at least originally about the perceived need of a striker to be able to fight for 7th. So it's wasn't completely irrelevant to start but agree it so often is taken down the same pattern.
Meanwhile Robinson remains in the news linked to Liverpool. Guess Ill make the most of seeing him in a Fulham shirt while I can as a move to a champs league club seems to edge ever closer.
Quote from: Jim© on December 18, 2024, 09:33:04 AMQuote from: LC on December 17, 2024, 08:23:57 PMI think it's fairly straight forward. We have the best chance we'll ever get to finish in the top 6 but only if we get a centre forward in who hits the ground running. Some big 'buts' there.
Nothing wrong with Jiminez or Muniz but we need that special something up top if we want top 6.
i genuinely don't know what a "something special" CF would have done differently over the past few games that would have increased our points haul? We barely had any chances and converted them (Raul v Arsenal very tidy, Muniz v Liverpool really classy finish).
We're over performing on our expected goals tally, and underperforming on our expected goals against. Now, there's loads of reasons for that; we're more attacking, play higher up the pitch, have let in a lot of long range shots etc.
Anyway, how nice it is to be arguing about who we need to get to Europe, not to keep us up!
BTW- i was a big advocate of getting Pavlidis (now Benfica) from AZ and now saying (on the basis that Dutch family rate him, I've only seen him in glimpses) getting Arokodare from Genk if we want a different type up front (and Vinicius is off).
Weren't we linked with him recently? Albeit it was probably from TRB 😅 they seem to be the only one throwing empty Fulham rumours about atm
Quote from: jayffc on December 18, 2024, 10:46:57 AMWeren't we linked with him recently? Albeit it was probably from TRB 😅 they seem to be the only one throwing empty Fulham rumours about atm
Yeah, but hard to know if it's just a little site scanning forums for gossip as it was after i'd added a post about him.
He's like a poor man's Kanu!
Quote from: jayffc on December 18, 2024, 10:43:52 AMQuote from: Twig on December 18, 2024, 10:22:44 AMCan I politely request that you all put this protracted argument to bed. This is a transfer thread and your debate adds nothing to it.
tried to throw transfer news in for this reason fwiw , this thread has long created strong opinions though and the debate was at least originally about the perceived need of a striker to be able to fight for 7th. So it's wasn't completely irrelevant to start but agree it so often is taken down the same pattern.
Meanwhile Robinson remains in the news linked to Liverpool. Guess Ill make the most of seeing him in a Fulham shirt while I can as a move to a champs league club seems to edge ever closer.
Have there been any credible links yet? I still haven't seen anything beyond the more fan written sites and clickbait ones with unreliable journos. Feels like fans are talking it into existence because his performances are so good.
I wouldn't be surprised if big clubs still looked elsewhere as he's better suited to teams that have less of the ball I think, and at the price he would be he's worth more to us than he would be to a big club.
A bit like Joao who seems to have struggled a little in a more dominant side.
Quote from: hopper on December 18, 2024, 02:57:30 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 18, 2024, 10:43:52 AMQuote from: Twig on December 18, 2024, 10:22:44 AMCan I politely request that you all put this protracted argument to bed. This is a transfer thread and your debate adds nothing to it.
tried to throw transfer news in for this reason fwiw , this thread has long created strong opinions though and the debate was at least originally about the perceived need of a striker to be able to fight for 7th. So it's wasn't completely irrelevant to start but agree it so often is taken down the same pattern.
Meanwhile Robinson remains in the news linked to Liverpool. Guess Ill make the most of seeing him in a Fulham shirt while I can as a move to a champs league club seems to edge ever closer.
Have there been any credible links yet? I still haven't seen anything beyond the more fan written sites and clickbait ones with unreliable journos. Feels like fans are talking it into existence because his performances are so good.
I wouldn't be surprised if big clubs still looked elsewhere as he's better suited to teams that have less of the ball I think, and at the price he would be he's worth more to us than he would be to a big club.
A bit like Joao who seems to have struggled a little in a more dominant side.
I dunno about that, I think he's pretty good in possession tbh these days and can manoeuvre in tight spaces and pass well enough around players. His main strengths are incredible engine and ability to read opposition attacks, intercept and get his team moving quickly. I don't see that as anything other than valuable to everyone.
I mean it's been talked up by the likes of the Daily Mail, ESPN etc of late so not just fan rumour alone. But who knows. Either way I'm glad to enjoy him and hope to do so for a while to come if we can keep him. just seems unlikely at this point.
Quote from: Twig on December 18, 2024, 10:22:44 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 18, 2024, 09:29:59 AMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 18, 2024, 01:05:53 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 11:56:56 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 11:13:27 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on December 17, 2024, 10:38:33 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on December 17, 2024, 09:42:04 PMOur leading scorers in the 08-09 season when we finished 7th and qualified for our historic Europe League run were Dempsey and Andy Johnson, each with 7 goals. That same season Everton and Arsenal also finished in the top 7 without a 12 goal scorer (Everton had two with 8). In 2010-11 when Clint scored 12 and we finished 8th, Everton finished ahead of us and their leading goal scorer only had 9.
I mean look, if you sincerely think we're going to finish 7th
There you go with a strawman argument. You know I never said anything about where we'll finish this season. I've simply pointed out in multiple posts that your original post (which you deleted, and we all know why...I mean seriously, when have you ever been concerned about posting an "unhealthy amount of times" in a thread???) in which you suggested that a team finishing 7th or better in the PL without a 13+ goal scorer is basically rarer than hen's teeth* was flat out wrong. Over the past decade plus, ~20% of the teams finishing in the top 7 have lacked a 13+ goal scorer.
*And tbc, that's exactly what you were suggesting in the deleted post...and I obviously wasn't the only one to notice it.
My last four posts before this one all mention the aim/litmus test (IMO) of finishing at least 7th. It's hardly a tangential strawman I've suddenly turned to.
The stats you've produced about other teams confirm the point I made at outset, that to finish in the top 7, you generally need someone scoring more goals than any of our strikers are on course to score this season.
1) Of course you were engaging in a straw man argument in that reply to me. I'd never said anything about where I thought we were going to finish this season. In both my previous posts (#'s 170 and 177) all I had done is point out that you were clearly mistaken when you suggested that it was extremely rare for a club to finish top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And instead of just admitting you were wrong, you attempted to shift the argument/discussion to a topic I had said nothing about. Exactly the kind of tactic certain posters take when they've clearly lost an argument.
2)The stats do no such thing (confirm the point you made at the outset, that is). In your original (deleted) post you were clearly suggesting that it is EXTREMELY rare for a team to finish in the top 7 without a 13+ goal scorer. And the stats produced by me (and another poster) make clear that you were wrong...over the past decade plus ~1.4 teams per season manage to do it.
Anyhow, I should have known better than to have engaged with you and that (now) deleted post as discussions with you on this board are, to put it charitably, rarely constructive.
(1) I've already said up this thread that I think our current strike force is adequate to finish 11th/12th. If you're not concerned with finishing 7th, I'm not sure what we're fundamentally arguing about - it seems we're aligned.
(2) My post began with the words "I would be interested to know...". It didnt use the word "extremely", nor rely on it. That is, ironically, you redefining an argument that you can't otherwise win.
(3) Thanks for the unjustified insult. Again a hallmark of a lost argument.
Can I politely request that you all put this protracted argument to bed. This is a transfer thread and your debate adds nothing to it.
Funnily enough I anticipated this complaint and deleted a post 2 pages back for this reason, then got challenged for doing so. Ironically by someone who's liked your post!
Quote from: jayffc on December 18, 2024, 03:29:07 PMI dunno about that, I think he's pretty good in possession tbh these days and can manoeuvre in tight spaces and pass well enough around players. His main strengths are incredible engine and ability to read opposition attacks, intercept and get his team moving quickly. I don't see that as anything other than valuable to everyone.
I mean it's been talked up by the likes of the Daily Mail, ESPN etc of late so not just fan rumour alone. But who knows. Either way I'm glad to enjoy him and hope to do so for a while to come if we can keep him. just seems unlikely at this point.
I agree with you on his strengths, and his on the ball has definitely come on leaps and bounds, but I stand by that he's not top class on the ball and that could possibly put big clubs off. I don't know though of course, just a thought.
Re: ESPN and Daily Mail I think that's more 'X player is good might suit Y club' - can imagine stronger rumours coming in, but for now I still consider it more speculative.
Quote from: Twig on December 18, 2024, 10:22:44 AMCan I politely request that you all put this protracted argument to bed. This is a transfer thread and your debate adds nothing to it.
Hear bloody hear.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 18, 2024, 03:44:45 PMFunnily enough I anticipated this complaint and deleted a post 2 pages back for this reason, then got challenged for doing so. Ironically by someone who's liked your post!
Eye roll.Because as spotted by more than one user who actually read it (and more who didn't actually post here) it blatantly wasn't the actual reason for deletion, and rather conveniently has been hidden behind now since to play innocent bystanding victim, again. Got something else to say about it you can DM me
It got left already this morning folks. Some of us already tried to move it back to transfer news last night, so even further messages about wanting it to be stopped just rehash it and create more circling on it.
Talk about the transfer topics above if people want to do so and it'll move things on more effectively
On that note
https://sportwitness.co.uk/club-hovering-to-sign-fulham-attacker-looking-for-a-bargain-del/
crap source again but rumours of interest in Adama from Turkey.
I think we really knocked his flow when he was in good form early this year by dropping him for Nelson and Wilson (hard to argue Harry deserved a start though). hope he refinds that form with a good run out against Southampton and would rather we didn't sell him
Quote from: jayffc on December 18, 2024, 06:10:44 PMOn that note
https://sportwitness.co.uk/club-hovering-to-sign-fulham-attacker-looking-for-a-bargain-del/
crap source again but rumours if interest in Adama from Turkey.
I think we really knocked his flow when he was in good form early this year by dropping him for Nelson and Wilson (hard to argue Harry deserved a start though). hope he refinds that form with a good run out against Southampton and would rather we didn't sell him
Quote from: jayffc
link=msg=1538215 date=1734545444On that note
https://sportwitness.co.uk/club-hovering-to-sign-fulham-attacker-looking-for-a-bargain-del/
crap source again but rumours if interest in Adama from Turkey.
I think we really knocked his flow when he was in good form early this year by dropping him for Nelson and Wilson (hard to argue Harry deserved a start though). hope he refinds that form with a good run out against Southampton and would rather we didn't sell him
As mildly heretic as it is to think that, it has been niggling away at the back of my mind too. Wasn't he "rested" after his misses - yet brilliant attacking forays at the Etihad?
I wish we could have stuck with him, as he has looked a tad unhappy of late and he had such a good start to the season.
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on December 18, 2024, 06:22:15 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 18, 2024, 06:10:44 PMOn that note
https://sportwitness.co.uk/club-hovering-to-sign-fulham-attacker-looking-for-a-bargain-del/
crap source again but rumours if interest in Adama from Turkey.
I think we really knocked his flow when he was in good form early this year by dropping him for Nelson and Wilson (hard to argue Harry deserved a start though). hope he refinds that form with a good run out against Southampton and would rather we didn't sell him
Quote from: jayffc
link=msg=1538215 date=1734545444On that note
https://sportwitness.co.uk/club-hovering-to-sign-fulham-attacker-looking-for-a-bargain-del/
crap source again but rumours if interest in Adama from Turkey.
I think we really knocked his flow when he was in good form early this year by dropping him for Nelson and Wilson (hard to argue Harry deserved a start though). hope he refinds that form with a good run out against Southampton and would rather we didn't sell him
As mildly heretic as it is to think that, it has been niggling away at the back of my mind too. Wasn't he "rested" after his misses - yet brilliant attacking forays at the Etihad?
I wish we could have stuck with him, as he has looked a tad unhappy of late and he had such a good start to the season.
He still started the next 2 against Villa and Everton which weren't our best results but I still felt then we were more dangerous for having him on the pitch while in that early vein on good form.
Since then in more limited minutes he's tailed off a bit from that swashbuckling early swagger he carried over from preseason as a starter. With Reiss out for a while we'll certainly need him so hopefully he can regain his confidence.
As I say, no better team to do that against than Southampton on paper, but perhaps Wilson will continue given whilst we haven't killed off games, we've had good results of late against top opposition. I just think with his pace and strength he also offers some combativeness in getting back that perhaps Wilson doesnt provide much of. I felt he should have been on way earlier against Liverpool for this reason when we were struggling to make the ball stick up top or have an affective outlet to expose them on the break. He came on a bit late, had a decent strike on goal but needed more time IMO to impose himself or get on the end of a quick counter after the 2nd goal
https://twitter.com/migueldelaney/status/1869470899466043811
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 18, 2024, 08:40:33 PMhttps://twitter.com/migueldelaney/status/1869470899466043811
Well it's a striker and one with talent
Ties us over to summer for another option while showing the door to vino , where if he can help us push for Europe he might
1. Want to join permanently
2. Allow us to attract a better player in the summer
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 18, 2024, 08:40:33 PMhttps://twitter.com/migueldelaney/status/1869470899466043811
I'm a fan of this mostly, although given our last loan of a highly rated ST didn't work out well (for Broja), I wonder if it's a good move for the player as we rotate our ST a lot...
On the other hand loaning Broja did turn Muniz into prime Ronaldo for two months so maybe it's win:win regardless
Ferguson has been genuinely terrible since his return from injury.
I don't think Brighton's current tactics suit him, but he's been totally missing in every match I've seen him play.
There was clearly a very good player there before, but Bal's comparison to Broja above is (presently) a very fair one...
Quote from: Craven Mad on December 18, 2024, 09:10:17 PMFerguson has been genuinely terrible since his return from injury.
I don't think Brighton's current tactics suit him, but he's been totally missing in every match I've seen him play.
There was clearly a very good player there before, but Bal's comparison to Broja above is (presently) a very fair one...
Seen many fans though think he's a clear upgrade from our regularly scoring strikers.
Ferguson when confident would be a huge asset though, but agreed right now he's just not that player.
For anyone interested, here's a glimpse of what Brighton fans currently think of him: https://www.northstandchat.com/threads/evan-ferguson.398483/page-134
Talk of him needing to drop back into youth/reserve level as he's nowhere near first team standard right now...
The guys clearly out of form, but then that's kinda what we do best isn't it?
And certainly we're hardly going to be picking up a striker who's in blinding form in January unless it's from the lower leagues here (and if in champ then probably not in a title contending team as they'll want to hold on to get promotion) or a smaller league abroad and then that's a gamble of course in of itself if untested at this level.
Brazil perhaps is the market to look at in Jan and there have been some rumours there too so we'll have to see.
Quote from: Jim© on December 18, 2024, 09:33:04 AMQuote from: LC on December 17, 2024, 08:23:57 PMI think it's fairly straight forward. We have the best chance we'll ever get to finish in the top 6 but only if we get a centre forward in who hits the ground running. Some big 'buts' there.
Nothing wrong with Jiminez or Muniz but we need that special something up top if we want top 6.
i genuinely don't know what a "something special" CF would have done differently over the past few games that would have increased our points haul? We barely had any chances and converted them (Raul v Arsenal very tidy, Muniz v Liverpool really classy finish).
We're over performing on our expected goals tally, and underperforming on our expected goals against. Now, there's loads of reasons for that; we're more attacking, play higher up the pitch, have let in a lot of long range shots etc.
Anyway, how nice it is to be arguing about who we need to get to Europe, not to keep us up!
BTW- i was a big advocate of getting Pavlidis (now Benfica) from AZ and now saying (on the basis that Dutch family rate him, I've only seen him in glimpses) getting Arokodare from Genk if we want a different type up front (and Vinicius is off).
Well a something specifically forward would have likely have done 'something special' lol. We can use Mitrovic as an example, they have a habit of scoring out of nothing and that makes a huge difference.
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1870100035154915572
£30m+ and snap their hand off, you can reinvest in at least two players who will make us better
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 20, 2024, 01:51:58 PMhttps://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1870100035154915572
£30m+ and snap their hand off, you can reinvest in at least two players who will make us better
Might be wrong but looks like their record fee paid is about £9m so can't see that happening. Of course if it did I entirely agree, snap their hand off
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 20, 2024, 02:02:36 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on December 20, 2024, 01:51:58 PMhttps://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1870100035154915572
£30m+ and snap their hand off, you can reinvest in at least two players who will make us better
Might be wrong but looks like their record fee paid is about £9m so can't see that happening. Of course if it did I entirely agree, snap their hand off
Yeah the math doesn't add up considering what we turned down for him from Forest & Marseille 4 months ago but clearly they must've got some indication that a deal can be done. They've also got Richard Rios who we wanted in the summer and is an all action CM so potentially cash + Rios gets a deal done and means what cash we do get is invested back into another player? Either that or we're feeding info to pressure other clubs to bid, but a bidding war for someone we're not fussed about leaving is always nice
https://twitter.com/andrehernan/status/1870107477397930059
I'm gutted that Pereira is out this weekend let alone the rest of the season, would be a massive loss for us and a player that is hugely underestimated by a large % of our support.
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1870118284630041020
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 20, 2024, 02:26:39 PMhttps://twitter.com/andrehernan/status/1870107477397930059
"Andreas Pereira gave the OK for the negotiation, he would be willing to play for Palmeiras and the offer was considered good. Now the question is to reach an agreement and have Fulham release him. The most complicated part of this negotiation! Details here:"
So the suggestion being he's actively seeking a move again. A bit over it at this point, move him on and see what's available. His value is unlikely to go up from here and he's clearly keen to get out so on we all move
Quote from: C Block on December 20, 2024, 03:14:59 PMI'm gutted that Pereira is out this weekend let alone the rest of the season, would be a massive loss for us and a player that is hugely underestimated by a large % of our support.
I think he offers a decent amount. Mostly his energy to chase and close down. But it's not like the guy is irreplaceable in that regard if we get good money -and certainly not like he's been one of our top performers this or last year, he's never quite sustained the form of his first season. So if he wants out, so be it.
If for example we sold Periera and brought in Luiz I'd see that as good business personally
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 20, 2024, 03:18:50 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1870118284630041020
Would be pleased with this, but I'd also be surprised if Juve give up on a £50m signing after just 6 months...
He's not been great since moving, but he had a small injury and also needs time to adjust to a new league.
If they do let him go, I'd almost expect Man City to be interested as cover for Rodri...
Quote from: jayffc on December 20, 2024, 03:22:35 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on December 20, 2024, 02:26:39 PMhttps://twitter.com/andrehernan/status/1870107477397930059
"Andreas Pereira gave the OK for the negotiation, he would be willing to play for Palmeiras and the offer was considered good. Now the question is to reach an agreement and have Fulham release him. The most complicated part of this negotiation! Details here:"
So the suggestion being he's actively seeking a move again. A bit over it at this point, move him on and see what's available. His value is unlikely to go up from here and he's clearly keen to get out so on we all move
Why is it that when players who are disliked such as AP do interviews or are tweeted about every word is accepted by the fans as true, whereas when a player is liked, such as Mitrovic, relevant rumours and him saying he never wanted to play for the club again is 'press rubbish' and they are ole'd onto the pitch?
Palmeiras do have a lot of money to spend after the Endrick, Guilherme and Estevao sales and a lot of their debts being cleared. They have already made two big signings and want to make an impression at the Club World Cup so the offer may be bigger than you might think. They also have Richard Rios who we have been linked with in the past and would be a like for like replacement.
Would also be pretty funny if he ended up at Palmeiras when that was who he gifted the Libertadores to in the Final while at Flamengo.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on December 20, 2024, 04:45:52 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 20, 2024, 03:22:35 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on December 20, 2024, 02:26:39 PMhttps://twitter.com/andrehernan/status/1870107477397930059
"Andreas Pereira gave the OK for the negotiation, he would be willing to play for Palmeiras and the offer was considered good. Now the question is to reach an agreement and have Fulham release him. The most complicated part of this negotiation! Details here:"
So the suggestion being he's actively seeking a move again. A bit over it at this point, move him on and see what's available. His value is unlikely to go up from here and he's clearly keen to get out so on we all move
Why is it that when players who are disliked such as AP do interviews or are tweeted about every word is accepted by the fans as true, whereas when a player is liked, such as Mitrovic, relevant rumours and him saying he never wanted to play for the club again is 'press rubbish' and they are ole'd onto the pitch?
Because Andreas has been quoted directly from more than 1 interview he's done,with video of those interviews where he's clearly been saying this sort of stuff? Worse still - then he denied it on socials...only for the platform to release the footage showing him saying exactly what he was quoted as saying
Where as Mitro many did believe it, but it was only hearsay as he didn't do interviews openly looking for a move so no one really knew what the truth was for sure till later
It's hardly a mystery , especially when you pair that with a significantly drop off in form
Didn't Marco say that he was misrepresented?
Douglas Luis would be a belting signing but I don't see that happening, nor do I see a Brazilian club affording Andreas.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on December 20, 2024, 08:39:19 PMDidn't Marco say that he was misrepresented?
Douglas Luis would be a belting signing but I don't see that happening, nor do I see a Brazilian club affording Andreas.
Andreas said he was misrepresented. Don't think Marco has ever really commented on it
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1870226146362622382
Quote from: btffc on December 20, 2024, 09:08:29 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on December 20, 2024, 08:39:19 PMDidn't Marco say that he was misrepresented?
Douglas Luis would be a belting signing but I don't see that happening, nor do I see a Brazilian club affording Andreas.
Andreas said he was misrepresented. Don't think Marco has ever really commented on it
Correct Marco just said he hadn't read it
And either way the videos been posted and apparently according to Portuguese speakers he said exactly what was quoted so 🤷
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 20, 2024, 09:58:03 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1870226146362622382
Very odd one this , seems desperate to get out of here for some reason because initially his interviews were all about playing for the biggest clubs playing champs league etc...now all of a sudden he's jumping at a move to Brazil again?
I mean hey , he's from there, but it's hardly a step up in terms of noteriety in world football and at his age would likely be the last big move. Something not sitting right for me with him and how he fits in/doesn't really want to be here. Will root for him to do well till he leaves but it seems inevitable at this point
Pereira out for 30m
Douglas in on loan with 35m option?
It's a yes from me
Quote from: jayffc on December 20, 2024, 10:04:00 PMQuote from: btffc on December 20, 2024, 09:08:29 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on December 20, 2024, 08:39:19 PMDidn't Marco say that he was misrepresented?
Douglas Luis would be a belting signing but I don't see that happening, nor do I see a Brazilian club affording Andreas.
Andreas said he was misrepresented. Don't think Marco has ever really commented on it
Correct Marco just said he hadn't read it
And either way the videos been posted and apparently according to Portuguese speakers he said exactly what was quoted so 🤷
I believe the misrepresentation Andreas was upset about was a few English outlets that ran with stories that he was demanding out or something similar as they always do. The translations were all correct though.
Quote from: btffc on December 20, 2024, 11:10:24 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 20, 2024, 10:04:00 PMQuote from: btffc on December 20, 2024, 09:08:29 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on December 20, 2024, 08:39:19 PMDidn't Marco say that he was misrepresented?
Douglas Luis would be a belting signing but I don't see that happening, nor do I see a Brazilian club affording Andreas.
Andreas said he was misrepresented. Don't think Marco has ever really commented on it
Correct Marco just said he hadn't read it
And either way the videos been posted and apparently according to Portuguese speakers he said exactly what was quoted so 🤷
I believe the misrepresentation Andreas was upset about was a few English outlets that ran with stories that he was demanding out or something similar as they always do. The translations were all correct though.
And Either way the channel that did the original report themselves took personal objection to Andreas social media post where he was saying his quotes were taken out of context etc and said that's why they were posting the full contents of the interview to prove there was no exaggeration or misrepresentation. All a bit awkward.
Perhaps even more so it's all somewhat put the nail on the coffin in terms of him seeking a quick exit.
Either way Berge,Lukic and Douglas Luiz fighting it out for the DM CM places behind ESR + King/Cairney/Iwobi and potentially Wilson covering CAM is fine by me.
Agree that Andreas leaving for Brazil is very odd in the context of his comments re: Marseille and the champions league / highest level.
That said, he's been consistent in his comments about wanting to play for the Brazil NT and local players have always been part of that selection process so maybe there is logic of a kind to this.
Although as other posters have said, despite the Endrick sale and others it's hard to see them affording his wages / transfer fee
Guys, i have some connects in Brasil.
They are reporting that Richard Rios will probably come to FULHAM in the deal.
Palmeiras will pay 10/15 millions and send Rios.
Is a colombian player that is very good. Plays in the national team. Much more young than Andreas
Andreas ask the club to leave and wants to go
https://www.transfermarkt.pt/richard-rios/profil/spieler/735573
Very good
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vEzuKmwvUg4&pp=ygUNUmljaGFyZCBSaW9zIA%3D%3D
Quote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 12:09:10 AMQuote from: btffc on December 20, 2024, 11:10:24 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 20, 2024, 10:04:00 PMQuote from: btffc on December 20, 2024, 09:08:29 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on December 20, 2024, 08:39:19 PMDidn't Marco say that he was misrepresented?
Douglas Luis would be a belting signing but I don't see that happening, nor do I see a Brazilian club affording Andreas.
Andreas said he was misrepresented. Don't think Marco has ever really commented on it
Correct Marco just said he hadn't read it
And either way the videos been posted and apparently according to Portuguese speakers he said exactly what was quoted so 🤷
I believe the misrepresentation Andreas was upset about was a few English outlets that ran with stories that he was demanding out or something similar as they always do. The translations were all correct though.
And Either way the channel that did the original report themselves took personal objection to Andreas social media post where he was saying his quotes were taken out of context etc and said that's why they were posting the full contents of the interview to prove there was no exaggeration or misrepresentation. All a bit awkward.
Perhaps even more so it's all somewhat put the nail on the coffin in terms of him seeking a quick exit.
Either way Berge,Lukic and Douglas Luiz fighting it out for the DM CM places behind ESR + King/Cairney/Iwobi and potentially Wilson covering CAM is fine by me.
We would need a 8 more than a 6 if Pereira leaves so I would rather make a move for Richard Rios or Gedson Fernandes or someone similar. Heck, even Josh Brownhill would be a good signing for a lower fee, he has been always playing good against us and he is out of contract in the summer.
Quote from: IloveFFC on December 21, 2024, 01:25:58 AMhttps://www.transfermarkt.pt/richard-rios/profil/spieler/735573
Very good
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vEzuKmwvUg4&pp=ygUNUmljaGFyZCBSaW9zIA%3D%3D
Yep, Rios is very good in carrying the ball, a proper box-to-box midfielder. Should mix well with Berge/Lukić and Smith-Rowe.
Quote from: Pavel Dempsey on December 21, 2024, 08:45:02 AMQuote from: IloveFFC on December 21, 2024, 01:25:58 AMhttps://www.transfermarkt.pt/richard-rios/profil/spieler/735573
Very good
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vEzuKmwvUg4&pp=ygUNUmljaGFyZCBSaW9zIA%3D%3D
Yep, Rios is very good in carrying the ball, a proper box-to-box midfielder. Should mix well with Berge/Lukić and Smith-Rowe.
I was sceptical in the summer about
Rios, as I thought we needed an enforcer in the Palhinha mould (which he is not).
However, Silva has reshaped the midfield significantly since last year and I think Rios would now be an excellent alternative pairing option with Lukic/Berge, and could help connect our attack and midfield.
A swap that gets us Rios and £15m for AP would IMO be excellent business.
I like AP, but it feels like it might be time for him to move on, and I think this would be an excellent solution.
Quote from: Pavel Dempsey on December 21, 2024, 08:38:56 AMQuote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 12:09:10 AMQuote from: btffc on December 20, 2024, 11:10:24 PMQuote from: jayffc on December 20, 2024, 10:04:00 PMQuote from: btffc on December 20, 2024, 09:08:29 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on December 20, 2024, 08:39:19 PMDidn't Marco say that he was misrepresented?
Douglas Luis would be a belting signing but I don't see that happening, nor do I see a Brazilian club affording Andreas.
Andreas said he was misrepresented. Don't think Marco has ever really commented on it
Correct Marco just said he hadn't read it
And either way the videos been posted and apparently according to Portuguese speakers he said exactly what was quoted so 🤷
I believe the misrepresentation Andreas was upset about was a few English outlets that ran with stories that he was demanding out or something similar as they always do. The translations were all correct though.
And Either way the channel that did the original report themselves took personal objection to Andreas social media post where he was saying his quotes were taken out of context etc and said that's why they were posting the full contents of the interview to prove there was no exaggeration or misrepresentation. All a bit awkward.
Perhaps even more so it's all somewhat put the nail on the coffin in terms of him seeking a quick exit.
Either way Berge,Lukic and Douglas Luiz fighting it out for the DM CM places behind ESR + King/Cairney/Iwobi and potentially Wilson covering CAM is fine by me.
We would need a 8 more than a 6 if Pereira leaves so I would rather make a move for Richard Rios or Gedson Fernandes or someone similar. Heck, even Josh Brownhill would be a good signing for a lower fee, he has been always playing good against us and he is out of contract in the summer.
Douglas Luiz plays the 8 role? And provides additional cover at the 6 where we are far more understaffed than at CAM.
Yeah, Luiz was playing a lot as as a 6 at Villa under Gerrard, but when Emery came in he moved forward to be more of an 8 who had the freedom to play in advanced positions. There's also the added benefit of the fact he's good at taking corners, so would be a straight swap for AP in that area.
One thing I'm really starting to wonder is how much Ollie Watkins would cost in the Summer. Villa are in that financial position where it makes no sense financially for them to have two high quality/value players in the same position. Though he has ages left on his contract, he's just about to turn 29 and potential fee is only going to decline from here.
I reckon you could realistically get him for less than £40m, potentially a fair bit less depending on the competition.
Guys, almost done
Andreas Pereira to Palmeiras
Richard Rios to FULHAM
https://Twitter.com/CentralDaSEP/status/1870443958343712851
Fulham are signalling positively about including Richard Rios in the deal with Palmeiras for Andreas Pereira.
Andreas' staff are making a specific effort to ensure that the deal with Palmeiras is completed.
Quote from: IloveFFC on December 21, 2024, 12:42:04 PMGuys, almost done
Andreas Pereira to Palmeiras
Richard Rios to FULHAM
https://Twitter.com/CentralDaSEP/status/1870443958343712851
Fulham are signalling positively about including Richard Rios in the deal with Palmeiras for Andreas Pereira.
Andreas' staff are making a specific effort to ensure that the deal with Palmeiras is completed.
Not sure about the source but I'd certainly take Rios + Cash
If Rios is any good, why would Palmeiras pay us to swap him for a player that's five years older and only really on the fringe of our starting XI these days? I'm optimistic about Rios but think I'd be happier (well, reassured) if we were PAYING THEM the £10-15m alongside the swap. Will be interesting to hear the actual terms if this one goes ahead.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 21, 2024, 02:41:45 PMIf Rios is any good, why would Palmeiras pay us to swap him for a player that's five years older and only really on the fringe of our starting XI these days? I'm optimistic about Rios but think I'd be happier (well, reassured) if we were PAYING THEM the £10-15m alongside the swap. Will be interesting to hear the actual terms if this one goes ahead.
One is a Brazilian national and one is not would be my guess. Wouldn't surprise me if there is a premium in Brazil for this just like England.
Quote from: Angus Telford on December 21, 2024, 02:41:45 PMIf Rios is any good, why would Palmeiras pay us to swap him for a player that's five years older and only really on the fringe of our starting XI these days? I'm optimistic about Rios but think I'd be happier (well, reassured) if we were PAYING THEM the £10-15m alongside the swap. Will be interesting to hear the actual terms if this one goes ahead.
Apparently we value Pereira at €35m according to GOAL Brazil. I think Rios has always been valued somewhere between €10-20m apart from the few weeks after Copa America where United apparently held interest and he was a €40m+ plus player. Other thing about player swaps in deals is that there's some sort of accounting trick you can use to show it as more of a profit (I'm not 100% on this but I know Juve & Barca did it a while ago, plus some prem teams in the summer)
Happy to stand corrected over the interviews, cheers lads.
I am however staggered that this transfer is even at this stage of the rumour mill.
Surely it won't happen, will it?
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on December 21, 2024, 06:30:48 PMHappy to stand corrected over the interviews, cheers lads.
I am however staggered that this transfer is even at this stage of the rumour mill.
Surely it won't happen, will it?
Tbf
The interviews were about him/his agent looking for a potential transfer both during last summer and then more recently talking specifically about Marseille and his openness to such a move.
So not directly about this move back to brazil, but it's just not a stretch to assume some substance to it considering all the other comments he's made 👍🏼
I don't see why it wouldnt happen tbh. Hed have left in the summer to Marseille or Forest if we'd have signed off on it so now his forms fallen away a bit I suspect we'll cash in if it's a good offer/ we can find a good replacement.
Douglas Luiz and Rios certainly looks like they could fit the bill
I wonder why he is so eager to leave. Doesn't seem to bother him if it's England, France or Brazil
Quote from: St Eve on December 21, 2024, 06:42:38 PMI wonder why he is so eager to leave. Doesn't seem to bother him if it's England, France or Brazil
Great post - This is the question?
Quote from: St Eve on December 21, 2024, 06:42:38 PMI wonder why he is so eager to leave. Doesn't seem to bother him if it's England, France or Brazil
Yeah I don't really get his desire to move on (to almost anywhere). He's a pretty regular starter for us and clearly has Marco's support.
Yeah, I meant more that I am surprised a move to Brazil could be possible rather than him leaving full stop.
He seems a bit of a sensitive soul, I wonder if the stick he's received from sections of our support has helped make him consider his options. That is pure conjecture on my part, though.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on December 21, 2024, 07:27:45 PMYeah, I meant more that I am surprised a move to Brazil could be possible rather than him leaving full stop.
He seems a bit of a sensitive soul, I wonder if the stick he's received from sections of our support has helped make him consider his options. That is pure conjecture on my part, though.
I think this strikes at the heart of it. He never looks like a happy camper on the field. He tries hard. I don't think he likes the Fulham crowd - and perhaps even some of his team mates?
He wants to leave to get into the Brazil squad for the World Cup I don't blame him his stock is high and back playing in Brazil obviously appeals to him. I don't agree with the way he has gone about it with interviews and stuff but I think his agent is a handful. If we can get 10 million plus Rios that is unbelievable business in my opinion
I love how so many people know all about Richard Rios and are able to offer the rest of us an opinion,
Seems to be the same group that knew so much about Andre when he was first linked 🤔
Quote from: C Block on December 21, 2024, 09:44:38 PMI love how so many people know all about Richard Rios and are able to offer the rest of us an opinion,
Seems to be the same group that knew so much about Andre when he was first linked 🤔
The need for this?
Some of us like watching football outside of Fulham/the prem. I travel a fair bit and as a result loosely follow teams that I've watched over the years in diff leagues around the place, I enjoy football. Period.
When were linked very strongly to players (like we we were with Andre) I personally sometimes like to go in and watch full games. Must have watched 5 or 6 games of Andre at the time on top of further highlights as well as digging about with what their fans were saying about him.
Richard Rios I'd never heard of until he had a very impressive copa america, and then was linked to us...at which point I went back and watched some more tape out of interest from that tournament and was impressed.dug about now and its clear this was a relatively new development (this upturn of form) but he's carried that form into this season by all accounts.
No need to be disparaging of others just because you don't personally dig into football abroad as some others do, it's a hobby and part of the fun of transfer season digging into new players.
Quote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 10:03:36 PMQuote from: C Block on December 21, 2024, 09:44:38 PMI love how so many people know all about Richard Rios and are able to offer the rest of us an opinion,
Seems to be the same group that knew so much about Andre when he was first linked 🤔
The need for this?
Some of us like watching football outside of Fulham/the prem. I travel a fair bit and as a result loosely follow teams that I've watched over the years in diff leagues around the place, I enjoy football. Period.
When were linked very strongly to players (like we we were with Andre) I personally sometimes like to go in and watch full games. Must have watched 5 or 6 games of Andre at the time on top of further highlights as well as digging about with what their fans were saying about him.
Richard Rios I'd never heard of until he had a very impressive copa america, and then was linked to us...at which point I went back and watched some more tape out of interest from that tournament and was impressed.dug about now and its clear this was a relatively new development (this upturn of form) but he's carried that form into this season by all accounts.
No need to be disparaging of others just because you don't personally dig into football abroad as some others do, it's a hobby and part of the fun of transfer season digging into new players.
Can you point us to where you previously suggested Richard Rios as a signing, I'd be genuinely interested.
I didn't suggest him as a signing? and nowhere above did I say that I did? If anything my preferance was with Luiz personally.
I saw a bit of the tournament he put himself on the map in and when he was linked to us previously (this isn't the first time we've been linked) I went and watched more tape of him back then, and looking at what their fans are saying he's continued that form so think he looks a good prospect and have therefore just said as such above... that's all?
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-liverpool-told-antonee-robinson-asking-price-to-seal-january-deal/
Supposedly asking for 40-50m for Antonee
Quote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 11:34:23 PMhttps://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-liverpool-told-antonee-robinson-asking-price-to-seal-january-deal/
Supposedly asking for 40-50m for Antonee
Liverpool thought the asking price was 4-5 pounds. The same as Haircut and Fabio.
Quote from: iansthailand on December 22, 2024, 02:02:52 AMQuote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 11:34:23 PMhttps://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-liverpool-told-antonee-robinson-asking-price-to-seal-january-deal/
Supposedly asking for 40-50m for Antonee
Liverpool thought the asking price was 4-5 pounds. The same as Haircut and Fabio.
Doubt he'll go to Liverpoolwho, Scouse friends tell me are after Bournemouth's Kerkez. I can see City, in panic mode, buying him
Just for the record, Dwight Gayle is actually still playing. 😂
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1870875406171345013?t=GjD-Ebxgr9-ngZ4rF8ZREQ&s=19
Well bugger off then 😅...with Berge and potentially Lukic out well need AP over the next few games. Even more reason to push for a move for Douglas Luiz if any truth in that at all
Quote from: JimOG on December 22, 2024, 09:03:51 AMQuote from: iansthailand on December 22, 2024, 02:02:52 AMQuote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 11:34:23 PMhttps://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-liverpool-told-antonee-robinson-asking-price-to-seal-january-deal/
Supposedly asking for 40-50m for Antonee
Liverpool thought the asking price was 4-5 pounds. The same as Haircut and Fabio.
Doubt he'll go to Liverpoolwho, Scouse friends tell me are after Bournemouth's Kerkez. I can see City, in panic mode, buying him
IF Man City, Liverpool Arsenal and Man U are all interested, wait until the summer and let the bids role in, He is English in homegrown eyes and has a long contract I'd be wanting 70M+
Quote from: Nero on December 23, 2024, 11:42:46 AMQuote from: JimOG on December 22, 2024, 09:03:51 AMQuote from: iansthailand on December 22, 2024, 02:02:52 AMQuote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 11:34:23 PMhttps://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-liverpool-told-antonee-robinson-asking-price-to-seal-january-deal/
Supposedly asking for 40-50m for Antonee
Liverpool thought the asking price was 4-5 pounds. The same as Haircut and Fabio.
Doubt he'll go to Liverpoolwho, Scouse friends tell me are after Bournemouth's Kerkez. I can see City, in panic mode, buying him
IF Man City, Liverpool Arsenal and Man U are all interested, wait until the summer and let the bids role in, He is English in homegrown eyes and has a long contract I'd be wanting 70M+
Dream on, nobody will pay that money for Robinson especially when they can pay £40 million for Kerkez who is 6 years younger.
Quote from: C Block on December 23, 2024, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Nero on December 23, 2024, 11:42:46 AMQuote from: JimOG on December 22, 2024, 09:03:51 AMQuote from: iansthailand on December 22, 2024, 02:02:52 AMQuote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 11:34:23 PMhttps://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-liverpool-told-antonee-robinson-asking-price-to-seal-january-deal/
Supposedly asking for 40-50m for Antonee
Liverpool thought the asking price was 4-5 pounds. The same as Haircut and Fabio.
Doubt he'll go to Liverpoolwho, Scouse friends tell me are after Bournemouth's Kerkez. I can see City, in panic mode, buying him
IF Man City, Liverpool Arsenal and Man U are all interested, wait until the summer and let the bids role in, He is English in homegrown eyes and has a long contract I'd be wanting 70M+
Dream on, nobody will pay that money for Robinson especially when they can pay £40 million for Kerkez who is 6 years younger.
He's also not as good hence why he would be cheaper...
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 23, 2024, 12:45:09 PMQuote from: C Block on December 23, 2024, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Nero on December 23, 2024, 11:42:46 AMQuote from: JimOG on December 22, 2024, 09:03:51 AMQuote from: iansthailand on December 22, 2024, 02:02:52 AMQuote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 11:34:23 PMhttps://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-liverpool-told-antonee-robinson-asking-price-to-seal-january-deal/
Supposedly asking for 40-50m for Antonee
Liverpool thought the asking price was 4-5 pounds. The same as Haircut and Fabio.
Doubt he'll go to Liverpoolwho, Scouse friends tell me are after Bournemouth's Kerkez. I can see City, in panic mode, buying him
IF Man City, Liverpool Arsenal and Man U are all interested, wait until the summer and let the bids role in, He is English in homegrown eyes and has a long contract I'd be wanting 70M+
Dream on, nobody will pay that money for Robinson especially when they can pay £40 million for Kerkez who is 6 years younger.
He's also not as good hence why he would be cheaper...
Oh really 🤔
Quote from: C Block on December 23, 2024, 01:02:54 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on December 23, 2024, 12:45:09 PMQuote from: C Block on December 23, 2024, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Nero on December 23, 2024, 11:42:46 AMQuote from: JimOG on December 22, 2024, 09:03:51 AMQuote from: iansthailand on December 22, 2024, 02:02:52 AMQuote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 11:34:23 PMhttps://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-liverpool-told-antonee-robinson-asking-price-to-seal-january-deal/
Supposedly asking for 40-50m for Antonee
Liverpool thought the asking price was 4-5 pounds. The same as Haircut and Fabio.
Doubt he'll go to Liverpoolwho, Scouse friends tell me are after Bournemouth's Kerkez. I can see City, in panic mode, buying him
IF Man City, Liverpool Arsenal and Man U are all interested, wait until the summer and let the bids role in, He is English in homegrown eyes and has a long contract I'd be wanting 70M+
Dream on, nobody will pay that money for Robinson especially when they can pay £40 million for Kerkez who is 6 years younger.
He's also not as good hence why he would be cheaper...
Oh really 🤔
You seriously think Kerkez is better than Robinson?
That's quite a take.
I mean, Kerkez has age on his side but currently is absolutely miles off being even close to Robinson's quality.
Honestly, it's not even close.
Quote from: Deeping_white on December 23, 2024, 04:13:24 PMQuote from: C Block on December 23, 2024, 01:02:54 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on December 23, 2024, 12:45:09 PMQuote from: C Block on December 23, 2024, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Nero on December 23, 2024, 11:42:46 AMQuote from: JimOG on December 22, 2024, 09:03:51 AMQuote from: iansthailand on December 22, 2024, 02:02:52 AMQuote from: jayffc on December 21, 2024, 11:34:23 PMhttps://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-liverpool-told-antonee-robinson-asking-price-to-seal-january-deal/
Supposedly asking for 40-50m for Antonee
Liverpool thought the asking price was 4-5 pounds. The same as Haircut and Fabio.
Doubt he'll go to Liverpoolwho, Scouse friends tell me are after Bournemouth's Kerkez. I can see City, in panic mode, buying him
IF Man City, Liverpool Arsenal and Man U are all interested, wait until the summer and let the bids role in, He is English in homegrown eyes and has a long contract I'd be wanting 70M+
Dream on, nobody will pay that money for Robinson especially when they can pay £40 million for Kerkez who is 6 years younger.
He's also not as good hence why he would be cheaper...
Oh really 🤔
You seriously think Kerkez is better than Robinson?
Hard to say at the moment, but Liverpool seem to think so, but then again what do they know.
Quote from: Twig on December 21, 2024, 06:47:56 PMQuote from: St Eve on December 21, 2024, 06:42:38 PMI wonder why he is so eager to leave. Doesn't seem to bother him if it's England, France or Brazil
Yeah I don't really get his desire to move on (to almost anywhere). He's a pretty regular starter for us and clearly has Marco's support.
He was born and grew up in Belgium, I'm sure he has family in Brazil but he's only played one season there on loan at Flamengo.
So why the push to move to Palmeriras?
I can only assume he's keen on a move to ensure he's in the next Brazil WC squad, at almost 29 his last chance.
A Champions League club being interested seems unlikely so I wonder if he's been told he's more likely to be in the manager's 'thoughts playing in Brazil than a PL mid table team?
The whole thing seems a bit odd to me.
I think these are some reasonable options to solve our injury crisis:
- Cedric Soares, free transfer as backup
- Carney Chukwuemeka, looking to leave but on big money and that lot is asking for a big fee.
- Richarlison, loan with option, he needs MS back into his life...
- Fabio Silva, 18 months left on contract so wolves might be happy to accept a fee, a bit complicated as he is on loan atm.
Quote from: We Are Premier League on December 26, 2024, 10:44:55 AMI think these are some reasonable options to solve our injury crisis:
- Cedric Soares, free transfer as backup
- Carney Chukwuemeka, looking to leave but on big money and that lot is asking for a big fee.
- Richarlison, loan with option, he needs MS back into his life...
- Fabio Silva, 18 months left on contract so wolves might be happy to accept a fee, a bit complicated as he is on loan atm.
Wouldn't touch Soares with a barge pole. He was awful when we had him on loan.
I'd certainly be interested in Richarlison on loan or Fabio Silva (who may be out of contract in the summer?) on a cheap deal. Chukwuemeka would be a good signing, but Chelsea are going to struggle to sell players for any kind of profit given their long contract tactic.
Don't want Richarlison he comes across as a troublesome brat.
Would rather have Beto on loan if available.
Quote from: Surlyc on December 26, 2024, 06:11:16 PMQuote from: We Are Premier League on December 26, 2024, 10:44:55 AMI think these are some reasonable options to solve our injury crisis:
- Cedric Soares, free transfer as backup
- Carney Chukwuemeka, looking to leave but on big money and that lot is asking for a big fee.
- Richarlison, loan with option, he needs MS back into his life...
- Fabio Silva, 18 months left on contract so wolves might be happy to accept a fee, a bit complicated as he is on loan atm.
Wouldn't touch Soares with a barge pole. He was awful when we had him on loan.
I'd certainly be interested in Richarlison on loan or Fabio Silva (who may be out of contract in the summer?) on a cheap deal. Chukwuemeka would be a good signing, but Chelsea are going to struggle to sell players for any kind of profit given their long contract tactic.
I didn't think much of Soares when he was here but he was serviceable. If Kenny is out long term then I see no real downside to signing him on a cheap 6 month contract just so we have someone who can cover RB until Kenny is back.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on December 27, 2024, 06:03:41 PMDon't want Richarlison he comes across as a troublesome brat.
Would rather have Beto on loan if available.
Richarlison's injuries should frighten any team off even at a reduced price? Not sure he is an out & out centre forward? Not totally against him but I've mentioned before another sick note before Calvert Lewin out of contract in the summer? The way we play perfect target man for us in so many ways. There is still a very good centre forward in him just might need a new challenge and a new environment. Not sure about Beto Jim? Is he suited to this league?
I think that if we are getting a striker it should be either a clear upgrade or someone with potential to become one. We have two decent PL strikers already, adding another journeyman won't help much.
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1872384908276224257?t=h1JB8HPmYKfeD1Wkra-X4g&s=19
Whatever that means...
I really don't get why AP seems so desperate to get out the door, especially to teams that don't seem to be a step up...
Regardless, if we can get Rios+cash for AP, it seems like a great deal for all involved
Quote from: Craven Mad on December 28, 2024, 01:44:58 PMI really don't get why AP seems so desperate to get out the door, especially to teams that don't seem to be a step up...
Regardless, if we can get Rios+cash for AP, it seems like a great deal for all involved
Andreas isn't going anywhere
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on December 28, 2024, 03:27:32 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on December 28, 2024, 01:44:58 PMI really don't get why AP seems so desperate to get out the door, especially to teams that don't seem to be a step up...
Regardless, if we can get Rios+cash for AP, it seems like a great deal for all involved
Andreas isn't going anywhere
Based upon...?
Rios plus cash seems silly for Palmeiras. It may well be pereira plus cash for Rios
I think palmeiras value him very highly
https://www.footballfancast.com/fulham-now-keen-to-sign-james-mcatee-ready-to-leave-in-january/
Love this one, can play both on the right and centrally in our setup
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874183257962799572?t=1RHoB6u0xKy0LD0xb28aXA&s=19
Linked to Nuameh again
Fagiola:
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874106406053560330?t=1HBkmfYOXwF37aXWttYPIA&s=19
Also interested in Henrique ourselves:
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874076137636454736?t=oZTYrF3ZzwgBCcbD-3pvuw&s=19
Corinthians linked the AP - Bidon as part of the deal?
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1873765453861953645?t=vwU6J9mM0bbK7BKHgseMrQ&s=19
Endo still in the mix?
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1873343364352901510?t=FrEJNNuLmb3NTJILSUPO0w&s=19
And demarai Gray again loosely linked
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/32522577/demarai-gray-fulham-steven-gerrard-premier-league-transfer/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1735468217
Demarai Gray is this decade's Jason Koumas/Carlton Cole. We seem to be linked to him every window but I really don't see it happening.
Regardless, if the links above are to be believed, it seems like we're on the hunt for a RW and a CM/DM.
Thanks for sharing the links, Jay.
Dani Olmo.
Been told he can't be registered because of Barcelona's financial situation so he has no contract and is free to leave.
He obviously won't come but would be a great addition
Quote from: Rambler on January 01, 2025, 08:35:14 AMDani Olmo.
Been told he can't be registered because of Barcelona's financial situation so he has no contract and is free to leave.
He obviously won't come but would be a great addition
I reckon he'll end up at Bayern if that's the case given his familiarity with the league
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 01, 2025, 07:13:14 AMDemarai Gray is this decade's Jason Koumas/Carlton Cole. We seem to be linked to him every window but I really don't see it happening.
Regardless, if the links above are to be believed, it seems like we're on the hunt for a RW and a CM/DM.
Thanks for sharing the links, Jay.
I don't get it. We're fine in those positions. What we really need is that replacement for Mitro we've been hoping for.
Quote from: demeant0r on January 01, 2025, 09:30:06 AMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 01, 2025, 07:13:14 AMDemarai Gray is this decade's Jason Koumas/Carlton Cole. We seem to be linked to him every window but I really don't see it happening.
Regardless, if the links above are to be believed, it seems like we're on the hunt for a RW and a CM/DM.
Thanks for sharing the links, Jay.
I don't get it. We're fine in those positions. What we really need is that replacement for Mitro we've been hoping for.
I think we could do with 1 more competition at CM/DM in anticipation of Andreas departure likely on the way. And wings wise we do probably need someone with Reiss potentially out for at very least another couple of months so we can send out Good on loan to get starting minutes.
Makes sense to me.
We've been linked to some strikers too in other links too so we'll see if it's just 2 or I'd think absolute max 3 we bring in. Suspect cm links are just related to AP
Think Richarlison on loan would be a good signing
Demarai Gray would be a solid addition on wings
Dubravka from Newcastle as back up GK?
Zirkzee?
Linked before, having a torrid time at basketcase Utd , maybe a classic fulhamish turn around is possible?
Richarlison seems to have a recurring hamstring injury and has missed so many games in the past 12 months. I'd be a bit worried about bringing him in at this point tbh, even if he would be ideal when fit.
Zirkzee seems like a system player and definitely needs to leave Utd asap. I think he's probably too attacking to sit behind a striker in our system, and not good enough at holding the ball up as a lone forward to be our striker. Clearly a decent player but maybe not quite right for us (albeit, it's hard to say given how low on confidence he currently is).
Wish list
1)Dewsbury-Hall On loan with buy option great replacement for Cairney and Andreas
2) Romain Esse raw fast tricky winger
3 Jobe Bellingham growing into a very good centre midfield player
4)Mathys Tel on loan for 18 months quick skillful can finish
5)Luis Marquines young goalkeeper with great promise
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 01, 2025, 12:39:24 PMWish list
1)Dewsbury-Hall On loan with buy option great replacement for Cairney and Andreas
2) Romain Esse raw fast tricky winger
3 Jobe Bellingham growing into a very good centre midfield player
4)Mathys Tel on loan for 18 months quick skillful can finish
5)Luis Marquines young goalkeeper with great promise
Would love to see us getting linked with Dewsbury-Hall I think he's exactly what we need,
I also like Chris Rigg at Sunderland and Louie Barry at Villa, two for the future.
What about those who may be exiting the club?
Harrison Reed would have been my bet but his injury must have stopped that happening.
Vinicius is back in the match day squad and surely its time for him to move on.
I'm thinking all this Perriera talk is partly to encourage the club to offer him a raise and a new contract.
Can't see how a move to Brazil is financially better than staying in Europe, he (and his agent) are looking for an improved contract while he still has a value.
I reckon they are using the Brazil clubs interest to their advantage, nothing more.
Rohinson leaves only if the fee is amazing (Wigan take a cut) and there's a replacement lined up.
Can't see anyone else moving on.
Like the idea of Josh Brownhill mentioned elsewhere.
https://x.com/SkySportsLyall/status/1874470605032169662?t=F_tWshz4geWLps7IY1PPhw&s=19
Still being linked by good sources to Evan Ferguson
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 01, 2025, 01:54:18 PMWhat about those who may be exiting the club?
Harrison Reed would have been my bet but his injury must have stopped that happening.
Vinicius is back in the match day squad and surely its time for him to move on.
I'm thinking all this Perriera talk is partly to encourage the club to offer him a raise and a new contract.
Can't see how a move to Brazil is financially better than staying in Europe, he (and his agent) are looking for an improved contract while he still has a value.
I reckon they are using the Brazil clubs interest to their advantage, nothing more.
Rohinson leaves only if the fee is amazing (Wigan take a cut) and there's a replacement lined up.
Can't see anyone else moving on.
Godo on loan I would think, if we can tie up another winger on a loan or short term type deal
I wouldn't take Evan Ferguson in anything other than a permanent deal. Makes no sense for us on loan. We are doing fine with Jiminez and Muniz
Quote from: Rambler on January 01, 2025, 04:22:15 PMI wouldn't take Evan Ferguson in anything other than a permanent deal. Makes no sense for us on loan. We are doing fine with Jiminez and Muniz
TBF that's what Brighton reportedly want.
I would assume we want a Loan with an option and they will want the fee to be very significant if we want a try before you buy situation as reportedly they'll only entertain a hefty permanent deal
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874457376969134469?t=5GXJVz2O5bJ3IXQmIKUVKQ&s=19
Meanwhile - surely not. Proper ropey source so probably not worth entertaining but hey...it's silly season after all
Meanwhile Orban off to Hoffenheim potentially. As he's available I wouldn't have minded a loan deal with an option but assume Lyon will want the cash now and suspect bigger cross won't take the risk as his forms dropped
Quote from: demeant0r on January 01, 2025, 09:30:06 AMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 01, 2025, 07:13:14 AMDemarai Gray is this decade's Jason Koumas/Carlton Cole. We seem to be linked to him every window but I really don't see it happening.
Regardless, if the links above are to be believed, it seems like we're on the hunt for a RW and a CM/DM.
Thanks for sharing the links, Jay.
I don't get it. We're fine in those positions. What we really need is that replacement for Mitro we've been hoping for.
Personally long felt we need a new starting winger. Don't think Gray is an improvement on current options.
Think both strikers are doing well. If a starting striker comes in that will force one of Raul or Muniz out of plans, so that position might be better resolved post season in my opinion.
For wingers Iwobi is a guaranteed starter. Like Wilson and he's in fine form, but Adama is hit snd miss, and Nelson is out for a long time. If we could get a 10+ goals starting winger as Mbeumo does at Brentford I'd be happy. One who breaks the lines with pace, in a different style to Iwobi and Wilson.
Quote from: jayffc on January 01, 2025, 05:06:11 PMhttps://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874457376969134469?t=5GXJVz2O5bJ3IXQmIKUVKQ&s=19
Meanwhile - surely not. Proper ropey source so probably not worth entertaining but hey...it's silly season after all
Meanwhile Orban off to Hoffenheim potentially. As he's available I wouldn't have minded a loan deal with an option but assume Lyon will want the cash now and suspect bigger cross won't take the risk as his forms dropped
At least 98% that is posted by Fulham fan news is absolute tosh especially if it originates from Peter O'Rourke.
Quote from: C Block on January 01, 2025, 06:10:37 PMQuote from: jayffc on January 01, 2025, 05:06:11 PMhttps://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874457376969134469?t=5GXJVz2O5bJ3IXQmIKUVKQ&s=19
Meanwhile - surely not. Proper ropey source so probably not worth entertaining but hey...it's silly season after all
Meanwhile Orban off to Hoffenheim potentially. As he's available I wouldn't have minded a loan deal with an option but assume Lyon will want the cash now and suspect bigger cross won't take the risk as his forms dropped
At least 98% that is posted by Fulham fan news is absolute tosh especially if it originates from Peter O'Rourke.
Need a pinned post saying Pete O'Rourke, Ekrem Konur, Givemesport, footyinsider are total nonsense. Just grist for the mill.
Quote from: jayffc on January 01, 2025, 05:06:11 PMhttps://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874457376969134469?t=5GXJVz2O5bJ3IXQmIKUVKQ&s=19
Meanwhile - surely not. Proper ropey source so probably not worth entertaining but hey...it's silly season after all
Meanwhile Orban off to Hoffenheim potentially. As he's available I wouldn't have minded a loan deal with an option but assume Lyon will want the cash now and suspect bigger cross won't take the risk as his forms dropped
Orban widely reported to have some attitude issues, often left out of matchday squads. So might be a bullet dodged.
I'd honestly be fine even if we don't sign anyone. If we do I hope it's on a permanent deal. The player should also be one of these 3 things imo:
1) a player that's clearly better than one of our starters, in which case I'd sell someone who's currently backup in that position and the current starter would become a backup
2) a young player with tons of potential who can become a great player for us, and then depending on how far he is in terms of development, either keep him with the first team or loan him back to the club we got him from until the end of the season.
3) a player who used to be world class, but for whatever reason isn't in a good moment right now (someone like Pogba for example, who was mentioned earlier, or like we got Willian a few years ago, or like Babel, etc), in which case I'd get that player on a short term deal with a club option for another year.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 01, 2025, 01:54:18 PMWhat about those who may be exiting the club?
Harrison Reed would have been my bet but his injury must have stopped that happening.
Vinicius is back in the match day squad and surely its time for him to move on.
I'm thinking all this Perriera talk is partly to encourage the club to offer him a raise and a new contract.
Can't see how a move to Brazil is financially better than staying in Europe, he (and his agent) are looking for an improved contract while he still has a value.
I reckon they are using the Brazil clubs interest to their advantage, nothing more.
Rohinson leaves only if the fee is amazing (Wigan take a cut) and there's a replacement lined up.
Can't see anyone else moving on.
Yes BBC's Gossip section has Marseille said to be interested.....all feels like agent's work to extend AP's contract
I hope we are ambitious in this window, we're in good form but based on the Southampton game the squad seems to lack depth in most positions other than defence. A couple of injuries could derail our season.
1) I'm hoping Pereira moves on and we replace him with someone better at passing, who is more suited to a deeper role than him.
2) I'd like to see another striker. Jimenez is fairly consistent but Muniz blows hot and cold and I still feel he'd benefit from a loan with guaranteed minutes.
3) Maybe loan in a winger from a top 6 club with a point to prove, there must be a few at Chelsea.
So that's 3 new signings, with one leaving.
On point 3, if we don't in fact bring in another winger, I'd like to see Silva try out Sessegnon on the wing as we know he has goals in him. In my opinion the main thing that's always held him back as an attacking player is his extremely ordinary dribbling ability; it's rare that he will beat his man. However, the same was true of Decordova-Reid, but he still scored crucial goals. I believe Sess could take on that role.
Think we should hold on to everyone including Pereira
Let's not change mid season
Maybe a mid season loan move for someone like Richarlison who isn't playing but has played for Silva before would be a smart move.
Can play upfront or on left midfield
We should show some ambition and get some decent players in we have the Stansfield money which equates to around 45 million for PSR purposes .
I would like to see if we could buy Ferguson from Brighton
I wish we'd all just call out the elephant in the room, how slow we are in every transfer window. It's ending the 2nd of January and all we have is guff rumours ::cry::
Quote from: hopper on January 01, 2025, 06:20:17 PMQuote from: C Block on January 01, 2025, 06:10:37 PMQuote from: jayffc on January 01, 2025, 05:06:11 PMhttps://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874457376969134469?t=5GXJVz2O5bJ3IXQmIKUVKQ&s=19
Meanwhile - surely not. Proper ropey source so probably not worth entertaining but hey...it's silly season after all
Meanwhile Orban off to Hoffenheim potentially. As he's available I wouldn't have minded a loan deal with an option but assume Lyon will want the cash now and suspect bigger cross won't take the risk as his forms dropped
At least 98% that is posted by Fulham fan news is absolute tosh especially if it originates from Peter O'Rourke.
Need a pinned post saying Pete O'Rourke, Ekrem Konur, Givemesport, footyinsider are total nonsense. Just grist for the mill.
Could say this about half the nonsense posted in these threads. Been banging that drum for two years now. lots of people getting riled up over nothing
Jaden Philogene apparently available for loan. Tricky winger, can play either flank. Thoughts?
Quote from: hopper on January 01, 2025, 06:20:17 PMQuote from: C Block on January 01, 2025, 06:10:37 PMQuote from: jayffc on January 01, 2025, 05:06:11 PMhttps://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874457376969134469?t=5GXJVz2O5bJ3IXQmIKUVKQ&s=19
Meanwhile - surely not. Proper ropey source so probably not worth entertaining but hey...it's silly season after all
Meanwhile Orban off to Hoffenheim potentially. As he's available I wouldn't have minded a loan deal with an option but assume Lyon will want the cash now and suspect bigger cross won't take the risk as his forms dropped
At least 98% that is posted by Fulham fan news is absolute tosh especially if it originates from Peter O'Rourke.
Need a pinned post saying Pete O'Rourke, Ekrem Konur, Givemesport, footyinsider are total nonsense. Just grist for the mill.
One of the reporters for GivemeSport is Dean Jones, who is a Fulham supporter and definitely has an inside line to the club
Quote from: LRCN on January 02, 2025, 06:21:58 PMQuote from: hopper on January 01, 2025, 06:20:17 PMQuote from: C Block on January 01, 2025, 06:10:37 PMQuote from: jayffc on January 01, 2025, 05:06:11 PMhttps://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1874457376969134469?t=5GXJVz2O5bJ3IXQmIKUVKQ&s=19
Meanwhile - surely not. Proper ropey source so probably not worth entertaining but hey...it's silly season after all
Meanwhile Orban off to Hoffenheim potentially. As he's available I wouldn't have minded a loan deal with an option but assume Lyon will want the cash now and suspect bigger cross won't take the risk as his forms dropped
At least 98% that is posted by Fulham fan news is absolute tosh especially if it originates from Peter O'Rourke.
Need a pinned post saying Pete O'Rourke, Ekrem Konur, Givemesport, footyinsider are total nonsense. Just grist for the mill.
Could say this about half the nonsense posted in these threads. Been banging that drum for two years now. lots of people getting riled up over nothing
That's the thread. It's called silly season for a reason and every now and then those rumours do manifest into something or have truth to them...alot of the time they don't certainly ,But that's the silly nature of it all.
Currently we're in the mix for a European spot. However if that came to pass, that may well bite us on the @r$€ next season. Stretching the squad and possibly derailing our domestic season.
So I'd like to see some activity in this window. If a club is willing to meet our valuation and Anton wants the move then let it happen. Cuenca on his (admittedly) few opportunities seems capable of filling the spot. Same applies to Pereira. Reinvest the money now instead of introducing four or five players into the team in the summer. Like we did last season.
While we wait for the next three weeks to pass before we buy anyone. Shall we use the Silly Season thread to flog off things gathering dust in our sheds and garages?
Quote from: I Ronic on January 03, 2025, 12:02:36 PMCurrently we're in the mix for a European spot. However if that came to pass, that may well bite us on the @r$€ next season. Stretching the squad and possibly derailing our domestic season.
So I'd like to see some activity in this window. If a club is willing to meet our valuation and Anton wants the move then let it happen. Cuenca on his (admittedly) few opportunities seems capable of filling the spot. Same applies to Pereira. Reinvest the money now instead of introducing four or five players into the team in the summer. Like we did last season.
While we wait for the next three weeks to pass before we buy anyone. Shall we use the Silly Season thread to flog off things gathering dust in our sheds and garages?
I prefer us to keep Antonee until the summer. Not sure about Cuenca, so far we have only seen him play centre back right? Don't think he is in any way considered a replacement for Antonee. Bassey or Sess would take that spot.
Not sure what's happened with Chiesa at Liverpool but Fiorentina are trying to buy him for £6m off them. Wages are an issue but feel like that could be a good signing even if we went loan with an option as a try before you buy style deal.
Forest also looking to offload Awonyi who as a target forward might be a half decent option if the price was right
Quote from: I Ronic on January 03, 2025, 12:02:36 PMCurrently we're in the mix for a European spot. However if that came to pass, that may well bite us on the @r$€ next season. Stretching the squad and possibly derailing our domestic season.
So I'd like to see some activity in this window. If a club is willing to meet our valuation and Anton wants the move then let it happen. Cuenca on his (admittedly) few opportunities seems capable of filling the spot. Same applies to Pereira. Reinvest the money now instead of introducing four or five players into the team in the summer. Like we did last season.
While we wait for the next three weeks to pass before we buy anyone. Shall we use the Silly Season thread to flog off things gathering dust in our sheds and garages?
I don't care if it bites us in the backside. I've got so many years left on this planet and I want the amazing experiences and memories associated with another European tour, preferably conference league so that we have a genuine chance of winning our first trophy.
If that meant we finished 17th next year, I'd snap your arm off at the shoulder
Quote from: I Ronic on January 03, 2025, 12:02:36 PMCurrently we're in the mix for a European spot. However if that came to pass, that may well bite us on the @r$€ next season. Stretching the squad and possibly derailing our domestic season.
This is a BIG concern of mine too. Is FFC "deep enough" to manage additional football? Whatever happens, FFC must keep top priority their standing in the EPL. As things stand now, looking at our squad, I have my doubts about maintaining EPL positions should European football be part of next season. We've had a fair share of injuries and suspensions so far this season, and cap tip to MS and the players for staying top half in spite of these issues. But, additional football? Not so sure....
I've never understood these "we're not ready yet" arguments about Europe. There were a few about promotion too, in the Championship seasons.
If we're good enough to finish 7th one season, then an extra handful of games shouldn't in any world be leading to us finishing below 17th the following season.
Not to mention we'd have a summer to pad out the squad (and January if we're still in the competition) and a cash boost to support that.
Unless we are severely mismanaged (which to be fair we have been at times, but not for a few years now) qualifying for Europe should be our biggest, most fundamental single aspiration.
Marks interview on SKY says we will only bring in a player that can make an improvement to the current squad so I would be suprised to see more than 1 incoming and no outgoings
If we sign Reiss permanently it opens two loan spots.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 03, 2025, 01:34:53 PMQuote from: I Ronic on January 03, 2025, 12:02:36 PMCurrently we're in the mix for a European spot. However if that came to pass, that may well bite us on the @r$€ next season. Stretching the squad and possibly derailing our domestic season.
So I'd like to see some activity in this window. If a club is willing to meet our valuation and Anton wants the move then let it happen. Cuenca on his (admittedly) few opportunities seems capable of filling the spot. Same applies to Pereira. Reinvest the money now instead of introducing four or five players into the team in the summer. Like we did last season.
While we wait for the next three weeks to pass before we buy anyone. Shall we use the Silly Season thread to flog off things gathering dust in our sheds and garages?
I don't care if it bites us in the backside. I've got so many years left on this planet and I want the amazing experiences and memories associated with another European tour, preferably conference league so that we have a genuine chance of winning our first trophy.
If that meant we finished 17th next year, I'd snap your arm off at the shoulder
The Europa adventure was a once in a lifetime thing. No one took it seriously till we got to the final. If we hadn't been carrying injuries we maybe could/should of won that one. Athletico had some real talent and we sadly ran out of steam at the end.
But I'll never forget that dink!
Quote from: I Ronic on January 03, 2025, 12:02:36 PMCurrently we're in the mix for a European spot. However if that came to pass, that may well bite us on the @r$€ next season. Stretching the squad and possibly derailing our domestic season.
I just find this view bizarre - what is the point in Fulham if not to play in Europe?
We're never going to win the league, so playing in Europe is probably the pinnacle of supporting this club & our main shot at actual success. Too much has put into "doing well in the league" - it's a means to getting into Europe!
I would love nothing more than to have one more season of European football - the Roy years were the best I've experienced watching this club
BBC reporting that we've rejected an offer worth "up to £16.5m" from Palmeiras for Perreira
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 03, 2025, 08:35:36 PMBBC reporting that we've rejected an offer worth "up to £16.5m" from Palmeiras for Perreira
Unsuprising really, highly doubt we'd sell for under 20m and/or a player in return
Quote from: Jonny4 on January 03, 2025, 07:25:38 PMQuote from: I Ronic on January 03, 2025, 12:02:36 PMCurrently we're in the mix for a European spot. However if that came to pass, that may well bite us on the @r$€ next season. Stretching the squad and possibly derailing our domestic season.
I just find this view bizarre - what is the point in Fulham if not to play in Europe?
We're never going to win the league, so playing in Europe is probably the pinnacle of supporting this club & our main shot at actual success. Too much has put into "doing well in the league" - it's a means to getting into Europe!
I would love nothing more than to have one more season of European football - the Roy years were the best I've experienced watching this club
I 100% want us to get into Europe this year but one thing to note that doesn't seem to have been mentioned is the financial implication. Yes there are arguments for it being too much for our squad to handle and some other clubs like Villa this year have struggled. I'd say if we go on a great European run who cares if as a result we finish lower in the table (as long as not in a relegation battle but can't see that).
However...the new rules coming in (assuming they do) mean that if we do make it we'll only be able to spend 70% of our income on squad costs (salaries, amortised fees etc). This is vs 85% if we don't get in. The income generated even if we won it for the lower European competitions is small vs the 15% loss. So we'd need a bigger squad to cope on top of improving but would have less money to do it. Many of course want us to go massive in the market this summer (on an expensive striker etc) but this would restrict us for next year (as the assessment for the 70%/85% is one year rather than 3).
Flip side you could argue with money in the bank from Mitro/Joao and Jay this is a decent time to get in. Even if we didn't sell this summer sales from the last 3 years can be counted if you want them to I believe to add to our standard income on which the 70% is judged. As far as I understand you take the higher of that years sales, an average of the last two or the last 3 years. If we don't sell in summer we would take an average of the last 3 with those sales.
If we did get in and we still wanted to go massive in the market we might have to sell in the summer with 70% rather than 85%. Robinson would be the big one but I'd 100% want to keep him if we made Europe. AP would be the one that could hopefully help the average but at a lower amount of course. The question is would this be enough with 70% rather than 85% to do what we want or would a Robinson sale be required? Who knows but a consideration.
So to sum up it would be madness not to want to get in Europe as what is the point if not as others have said. There is however a point that the financial challenges would be a lot more significant and it could result in less exciting incomings or a potential big sale to allow them.
https://x.com/EspacoGlorioso/status/1875314402649633039?t=6zvBQSKlV4RKjzVBXvPr5w&s=19
Fulham have faith in Jesus?
Quote from: Jonny4 on January 03, 2025, 07:25:38 PMQuote from: I Ronic on January 03, 2025, 12:02:36 PMCurrently we're in the mix for a European spot. However if that came to pass, that may well bite us on the @r$€ next season. Stretching the squad and possibly derailing our domestic season.
I just find this view bizarre - what is the point in Fulham if not to play in Europe?
We're never going to win the league, so playing in Europe is probably the pinnacle of supporting this club & our main shot at actual success. Too much has put into "doing well in the league" - it's a means to getting into Europe!
I would love nothing more than to have one more season of European football - the Roy years were the best I've experienced watching this club
100%
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 03, 2025, 09:48:52 PMHowever...the new rules coming in (assuming they do) mean that if we do make it we'll only be able to spend 70% of our income on squad costs (salaries, amortised fees etc). This is vs 85% if we don't get in. The income generated even if we won it for the lower European competitions is small vs the 15% loss. So we'd need a bigger squad to cope on top of improving but would have less money to do it. Many of course want us to go massive in the market this summer (on an expensive striker etc) but this would restrict us for next year (as the assessment for the 70%/85% is one year rather than 3).
Flip side you could argue with money in the bank from Mitro/Joao and Jay this is a decent time to get in. Even if we didn't sell this summer sales from the last 3 years can be counted if you want them to I believe to add to our standard income on which the 70% is judged. As far as I understand you take the higher of that years sales, an average of the last two or the last 3 years. If we don't sell in summer we would take an average of the last 3 with those sales.
If we did get in and we still wanted to go massive in the market we might have to sell in the summer with 70% rather than 85%. Robinson would be the big one but I'd 100% want to keep him if we made Europe. AP would be the one that could hopefully help the average but at a lower amount of course. The question is would this be enough with 70% rather than 85% to do what we want or would a Robinson sale be required? Who knows but a consideration.
So to sum up it would be madness not to want to get in Europe as what is the point if not as others have said. There is however a point that the financial challenges would be a lot more significant and it could result in less exciting incomings or a potential big sale to allow them.
It's a valid point but you have to balance it against the prize money and additional gate receipts (even for Europa League group stage participation you're probably talking £5m prize money plus an extra £5m in gate receipts) plus the PL prize money at over £3m per place (so if we're comparing finishing 6th vs finishing 8th, that's another £6m). Very quickly you've largely offset that 15% (which is say £25m). I think the only way it works out worse is if you compare finishing 7th/8th and just missing out versus finishing 6th/7th to qualify and then going out in the early stages. Even then it should be manageable, especially for a club like us which doesn't tend to spend up to our FFP limits anyway.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 04, 2025, 09:08:14 AMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 03, 2025, 09:48:52 PMHowever...the new rules coming in (assuming they do) mean that if we do make it we'll only be able to spend 70% of our income on squad costs (salaries, amortised fees etc). This is vs 85% if we don't get in. The income generated even if we won it for the lower European competitions is small vs the 15% loss. So we'd need a bigger squad to cope on top of improving but would have less money to do it. Many of course want us to go massive in the market this summer (on an expensive striker etc) but this would restrict us for next year (as the assessment for the 70%/85% is one year rather than 3).
Flip side you could argue with money in the bank from Mitro/Joao and Jay this is a decent time to get in. Even if we didn't sell this summer sales from the last 3 years can be counted if you want them to I believe to add to our standard income on which the 70% is judged. As far as I understand you take the higher of that years sales, an average of the last two or the last 3 years. If we don't sell in summer we would take an average of the last 3 with those sales.
If we did get in and we still wanted to go massive in the market we might have to sell in the summer with 70% rather than 85%. Robinson would be the big one but I'd 100% want to keep him if we made Europe. AP would be the one that could hopefully help the average but at a lower amount of course. The question is would this be enough with 70% rather than 85% to do what we want or would a Robinson sale be required? Who knows but a consideration.
So to sum up it would be madness not to want to get in Europe as what is the point if not as others have said. There is however a point that the financial challenges would be a lot more significant and it could result in less exciting incomings or a potential big sale to allow them.
It's a valid point but you have to balance it against the prize money and additional gate receipts (even for Europa League group stage participation you're probably talking £5m prize money plus an extra £5m in gate receipts) plus the PL prize money at over £3m per place (so if we're comparing finishing 6th vs finishing 8th, that's another £6m). Very quickly you've largely offset that 15% (which is say £25m). I think the only way it works out worse is if you compare finishing 7th/8th and just missing out versus finishing 6th/7th to qualify and then going out in the early stages. Even then it should be manageable, especially for a club like us which doesn't tend to spend up to our FFP limits anyway.
Yeah it does even out a bit but widely reported as being incredibly tough on the mid range clubs like us. Most of us are around £200m income (without sales) so that is £30m less we are allowed to spend. Let's say we finish 8th and qualify and say Bournemouth finish 9th and don't. From a bit of extra prize money, gate receipts we make £10 million extra still £20 million down. That is £100m in amortised fees more that Bournemouth could spend next year on fees...say 4 £25 million players or a £50 million striker plus 2 £25 million players. That is just when we'd need more players to cope. It's a huge hit.
The big clubs are all earning £500 to £700 million before sales so not an issue for them to lose an extra 15% and if you make the champions league the riches are a lot more of course. As always the system then is very unfair for the mid level teams which is frustrating.
As I say though 100% want to get there and a decent time with sales made and as you say with us managing finances so well the last few years so should have a buffer of spending room. Just note however that we'll inevitably be more restricted and will have to continue our brilliant but careful work in the market to make the squad bigger on top of bringing in significant quality. Desperately hope we make it anyway and have faith that Marco and the club can manage it well enough to make it a success.
Yeah but you have to pick a marginal case like that (8th vs 9th) for it to be worse and then it becomes unrealistic to extrapolate that over five years' amortised fees because other factors would come into play in that timeframe, eg maybe one year we have another European final, or make the Champions' League, and then all of a sudden the prize money totally eclipses that 15% spending gap. Or maybe we just finish 10th and our cap goes back to 85% for a year or two.
In the short term I also think we probably have about £20-30m per season in FFP headroom under our current spending model which covers the gap in itself.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 04, 2025, 10:20:51 AMYeah but you have to pick a marginal case like that (8th vs 9th) for it to be worse and then it becomes unrealistic to extrapolate that over five years' amortised fees because other factors would come into play in that timeframe, eg maybe one year we have another European final, or make the Champions' League, and then all of a sudden the prize money totally eclipses that 15% spending gap.
In the short term I also think we probably have about £20-30m per season in FFP headroom under our current spending model which covers the gap in itself.
Yeah all fair enough mate but just highlighting that it will be far more difficult to manage with 70% vs 85% so just needs to be done incredibly carefully.
See link below from the financial expert Kieran Maguire which highlights challenges. Looks dire for Fulham if we qualify but this doesn't include the big sales we have made as a snap shot before this. As he points out the key for smaller clubs is profit sales (like Brighton at the time of his snapshot) to balance the books which we have made the last two years and could make with AP/Robinson (hopefully only the former being required). Without these as below we'd be completely stuffed.
https://x.com/KieranMaguire/status/1778460915861512318
That was also before the new stand and non-match day income so hopefully that helps a little as well but just highlighting that qualifying does put a huge burden on mid level clubs in the market as Maguire highlights.
There has been a lot of criticism on here about our lack of big spending but maybe we have actually been preparing well for this as in the example above (based on figures before the last few years) we were only just scraping a pass at 85% under the new rules let alone 70%.
Also just thought that all logic would say that the prize money for finishing 7th or 8th would count in the qualification year. The year we were playing in Europe could put an extra strain on with a possibility of finishing a lot lower. If so it would be the lower positions money that would count in the 70% year! Frigging nightmares. I hate financial 'fair' play.
Quote from: fulhamfever on January 03, 2025, 05:41:51 PMIf we sign Reiss permanently it opens two loan spots.
Bizarre comment.
He is injured for some considerable time and after an initial spurt was no better than the existing players.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 04, 2025, 07:09:00 PMQuote from: fulhamfever on January 03, 2025, 05:41:51 PMIf we sign Reiss permanently it opens two loan spots.
Bizarre comment.
He is injured for some considerable time and after an initial spurt was no better than the existing players.
I kind of agree with you Jim though with regular first team football I would hope to see him become more confident and consistent. One thing he has is genuine pace which is a weapon on its own. Technically he is sound.
No rumours as usual then!!
https://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1875671046793363965
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1875684763094462921
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 04, 2025, 11:26:19 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1875684763094462921
Would really like this to be fair https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14250743/Fulham-James-McAtee-Man-City.html?ito=native_share_article-top
Very very well liked by Sheffield utd fans where he did brilliantly on loan
Seems a very capable AP replacement to me at both CM and CAM. Would love to see him and ESR mature together in the same team
Wonder what positions Silva is referring to then, he seems pretty steadfast in his belief that striker is not our most pressing issue.
Assume therefore he's referring to a winger or versatile attacker with Reiss injured for so long and then perhaps as CM in case AP goes. Other than that can only think he'd look for emergency RB cover
The press conference made me laugh. He looked genuinely surprised that the fans wanted a new striker saying he thought the fans were happy with Raul and Muniz. As I've been saying all along it would take a massive outlay to even attempt to get someone more productive than the goal every other game both Raul and Muniz are producing and looks like that is Marcos thoughts as well with these comments. Maybe in the summer with Raul getting older and very few contracts up we can give it a go but looks like no chance in Jan as expected.
He was talking about injuries unless an opportunity came up to improve but doesn't sound very active. Sounds like Tete may be longest so a RB loan would defo make sense as if Timmy goes down it's either youth or Iwobi there so we are short. I really hope Tete re-signs but if that isn't going well a prospect with an option would be great. Perhaps a stop gap for Nelson but plenty of options as our wingers can play either side or ESR left if short. I suppose McAtee would come under the 'opportunity' if the right price if they plan on selling AP in summer (or now if a huge fee came in).
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 05, 2025, 12:33:13 AMThe press conference made me laugh. He looked genuinely surprised that the fans wanted a new striker saying he thought the fans were happy with Raul and Muniz. As I've been saying all along it would take a massive outlay to even attempt to get someone more productive than the goal every other game both Raul and Muniz are producing and looks like that is Marcos thoughts as well with these comments. Maybe in the summer with Raul getting older and very few contracts up we can give it a go but looks like no chance in Jan as expected.
He was talking about injuries unless an opportunity came up to improve but doesn't sound very active. Sounds like Tete may be longest so a RB loan would defo make sense as if Timmy goes down it's either youth or Iwobi there so we are short. I really hope Tete re-signs but if that isn't going well a prospect with an option would be great. Perhaps a stop gap for Nelson but plenty of options as our wingers can play either side or ESR left if short. I suppose McAtee would come under the 'opportunity' if the right price if they plan on selling AP in summer (or now if a huge fee came in).
Yeh I gotta say the bigger issue we've had this season has been not defending games well in the last 10. Weve rarely failed to score and whilst we don't have 1 striker currently being a pure goal machine, they're both rotating effectively and contributing well to where we are. So I can see where his faith comes from even though of course all teams fans like to have that killer talisman striker that we were somewhat spoiled with in Mitro.
Still wouldn't say no to a loan for Evans or someone though as a replacement for Vini who's time here is surely pretty much done
I'd like to see us with a more versatile front three that can all rotate and play across the front, causes defenders nightmares when you cannot pick up your man.
Also means you're less predictable when on the attack.
Coupled with that AP or ESR to be arriving in the box or edge of the box more often to pick up scraps and have some pop shots from loose balls
Quote from: jayffc on January 04, 2025, 11:51:12 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 04, 2025, 11:26:19 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1875684763094462921
Would really like this to be fair https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14250743/Fulham-James-McAtee-Man-City.html?ito=native_share_article-top
Very very well liked by Sheffield utd fans where he did brilliantly on loan
Seems a very capable AP replacement to me at both CM and CAM. Would love to see him and ESR mature together in the same team
Question is whether he can play a deeper role as he looks a very attack minded player in that vid.
I mean, in what other position are we going to drop one of our current starting XI to make way for a new signing? GK, LB, RB, CB, CM, AM? No no no no... maybe an extra CM/AM to rotate where we've injuries. I could see an argument for signing a winger too. But really, CF is the position where we're shortest on quality (as opposed to depth). I think Silva just knows CF is a position we need to address in the summer, and all we're going to sign in January is squad players. Which he seems to kind of allude to with the £60m comment. So he's protecting our current strikers' egos. Either that or it's just a blind spot for him.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 04, 2025, 10:51:44 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1875671046793363965
Quite right
Quote from: jayffc on January 05, 2025, 12:53:02 AMSo I can see where his faith comes from even though of course all teams fans like to have that killer talisman striker that we were somewhat spoiled with in Mitro.
This last bit is spot on for me. When have we ever had as good a striker as Mitro in the PL? Saha for that 1/2 season he kicked his game on, but otherwise the answer is NEVER.
For me, Muniz and Raul are probably as good a top 2 striker pairing as we've ever had in the PL in terms of options. I know some question Muniz this season but he's scored against Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea all away, no mean feat. He had a dry 4 game run at the beginning of the season but the class is there. He's still developing so unless we can bring in a nigh on guaranteed PL goal machine (which will likely cost £60m as Silva alluded to) then one of these two will score more often than not, evidently including against the bigger teams.
For me in January, a new striker is not a must have - I'd rather keep my powder dry for the type of outlay needed for that position to nail on a marked improvement until the summer where Raul will be that bit older / we know where we stand with him staying/going. Those two will be competitive enough to keep each other on their toes and bag us enough between now and May. Plus, the more game time Muniz gets, the more chance he has of kicking his game on in a similar vein to Saha did - he also needed time and was given it.
Cant say that many of the names that have been mooted as replacements have been very exciting either.
Ferguson has potential to become a very good striker but I don't think he is a clear improvement on Muniz or Jimenez at the moment.
Quote from: Count Flapula on January 05, 2025, 10:34:29 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 05, 2025, 12:53:02 AMSo I can see where his faith comes from even though of course all teams fans like to have that killer talisman striker that we were somewhat spoiled with in Mitro.
This last bit is spot on for me. When have we ever had as good a striker as Mitro in the PL? Saha for that 1/2 season he kicked his game on, but otherwise the answer is NEVER.
For me, Muniz and Raul are probably as good a top 2 striker pairing as we've ever had in the PL in terms of options. I know some question Muniz this season but he's scored against Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea all away, no mean feat. He had a dry 4 game run at the beginning of the season but the class is there. He's still developing so unless we can bring in a nigh on guaranteed PL goal machine (which will likely cost £60m as Silva alluded to) then one of these two will score more often than not, evidently including against the bigger teams.
For me in January, a new striker is not a must have - I'd rather keep my powder dry for the type of outlay needed for that position to nail on a marked improvement until the summer where Raul will be that bit older / we know where we stand with him staying/going. Those two will be competitive enough to keep each other on their toes and bag us enough between now and May. Plus, the more game time Muniz gets, the more chance he has of kicking his game on in a similar vein to Saha did - he also needed time and was given it.
Really agree with this, I'm surprised how much negativity there constantly is with strikers. It would be so hard as you say to get someone like Mitrovic. Mitrovic ended with 14 goals (4 pens) plus 4 more missed pens. The rate of current two isn't that different. We do miss his presence though occupying players.
Why are we quick to forget Muniz' run last season, and some special goals Raul has sxored. Some won't let their perceptions catch up with the reality.
Mcattee would be an exciting swap for AP. He's a great little ball carrier and v versatile across a midfield's attack.
If Vinicius goes, we'd obviously need some more depth up front, and I'd hope we try to find a young goalscoring prospect to be the eventual replacement for Jimenez. Ferguson could be that player, but I expect Brighton would want silly money for him after his purple patch a while back.
It would also be good to see the average age of the squad continue to be nudged down. It'll help make us more sustainable in the long run.
Quote from: Count Flapula on January 05, 2025, 10:34:29 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 05, 2025, 12:53:02 AMSo I can see where his faith comes from even though of course all teams fans like to have that killer talisman striker that we were somewhat spoiled with in Mitro.
This last bit is spot on for me. When have we ever had as good a striker as Mitro in the PL? Saha for that 1/2 season he kicked his game on, but otherwise the answer is NEVER.
For me, Muniz and Raul are probably as good a top 2 striker pairing as we've ever had in the PL in terms of options. I know some question Muniz this season but he's scored against Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea all away, no mean feat. He had a dry 4 game run at the beginning of the season but the class is there. He's still developing so unless we can bring in a nigh on guaranteed PL goal machine (which will likely cost £60m as Silva alluded to) then one of these two will score more often than not, evidently including against the bigger teams.
For me in January, a new striker is not a must have - I'd rather keep my powder dry for the type of outlay needed for that position to nail on a marked improvement until the summer where Raul will be that bit older / we know where we stand with him staying/going. Those two will be competitive enough to keep each other on their toes and bag us enough between now and May. Plus, the more game time Muniz gets, the more chance he has of kicking his game on in a similar vein to Saha did - he also needed time and was given it.
Agree with you about waiting until the summer but we've had lots of good strikers. Saha, Berbatov, Mitrovic and Dempsey/Zamora were good for a season each. At one point didn't we have Zamora, Johnson, Dempsey, Kamara and Gera to choose from, and at a time when quality across the league was lower than it is now. They'd all have been regular starters at a mid-/lower mid-table team at that time.
I think Silva thinks it's a blind spot for some of our fans not realising what our strikers are contributing. This is why he is surprised on current form...
Mins per goal at the half way point for strikers:
Duran - 86
Haaland - 112
Isaak - 113
Wissa - 130
Wood - 135
Jota - 143
Cunha - 156
Jackson - 160
Watkins - 170
Unal - 173
Hirst - 180
Wellbeck- 185
Fullkrug - 186
Raul - 190
Muniz - 191
Delap - 193
Nkinku - 202
Jesus - 203
Joao Pedro - 208
Havertz - 211
Hee Chan - 215
Solanke - 215
Daka - 217
Strand Larsen - 219
Evan Ferguson- 228
Beto - 231
Ayew - 223
Zirkzee - 235
Vardy - 244
Evanilson - 274
Mateta - 303
Darwin Nunez - 363
Hojland- 445
Archer - 479
Ritter - 541
Armstrong - 547
Calvert-Lewin - 691
Antonio - 836
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/torschuetzenliste/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2024/altersklasse/alle/detailpos//plus/1
For reference Mitro was 144 in his big season in the prem but scored 4 pens. Raul has one so to even it out take 3 pens off Mitro and he'd be at 183. Although similar I do still think he was much more of a threat but he was the rare golden goose at a slightly higher level and we just couldn't keep hold of him.
Last year Raul was at 200 and Muniz was 178 so very similar performances over 1.5 seasons now.
When fans say 'until we sign a capable striker' the above is showing that on performance so far this season (and last) we have two that are more than capable. Look at some of the huge signing names they are ahead of. Then look at the list in front of them to improve on what we have. Raul/Muniz are not far off Unal downwards. Would we all love an Isaak/Haaland/Duran? Sure but never going to happen. The majority would cost an absolute fortune at this point and would never come to us.
Think then Marco is surprised as around a goal every other game has always been the benchmark of pretty outstanding in the prem and we have two strikers that for a season and a half have been not far off that. To get an elite striker who is going to do better like an Isaak when Newcastle signed him is going to cost a fortune and no guarantees (Evanilson/Solanke still performing worse). As I've always said Raul is getting older and I'd love to find someone that can score every 130 mins or better so hope we do drop a tonne this summer on trying but our current strikers really are nowhere near as bad as so many make out and this is why it's not a priority for Silva at this point. To note we've scored more than Forrest in third. As Jay points out the biggest problem is letting in stupid goals and chucking away points. If we hadn't we'd be top 4.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 05, 2025, 10:58:34 AMQuote from: Count Flapula on January 05, 2025, 10:34:29 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 05, 2025, 12:53:02 AMSo I can see where his faith comes from even though of course all teams fans like to have that killer talisman striker that we were somewhat spoiled with in Mitro.
This last bit is spot on for me. When have we ever had as good a striker as Mitro in the PL? Saha for that 1/2 season he kicked his game on, but otherwise the answer is NEVER.
For me, Muniz and Raul are probably as good a top 2 striker pairing as we've ever had in the PL in terms of options. I know some question Muniz this season but he's scored against Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea all away, no mean feat. He had a dry 4 game run at the beginning of the season but the class is there. He's still developing so unless we can bring in a nigh on guaranteed PL goal machine (which will likely cost £60m as Silva alluded to) then one of these two will score more often than not, evidently including against the bigger teams.
For me in January, a new striker is not a must have - I'd rather keep my powder dry for the type of outlay needed for that position to nail on a marked improvement until the summer where Raul will be that bit older / we know where we stand with him staying/going. Those two will be competitive enough to keep each other on their toes and bag us enough between now and May. Plus, the more game time Muniz gets, the more chance he has of kicking his game on in a similar vein to Saha did - he also needed time and was given it.
Agree with you about waiting until the summer but we've had lots of good strikers. Saha, Berbatov, Mitrovic and Dempsey/Zamora were good for a season each. At one point didn't we have Zamora, Johnson, Dempsey, Kamara and Gera to choose from, and at a time when quality across the league was lower than it is now. They'd all have been regular starters at a mid-/lower mid-table team at that time.
The prob is there used to be so many good strikers around. There is a dearth of them now and as there are so few almost everyone is looking for one. Fingers crossed we can find another golden goose like Mitro this summer but so difficult as just a lot less quality up there these days. Also Zamora was a goal every 270 mins, Berbatov 234 and Johnson every 297 mins for us so nowhere near Raul or Muniz levels! Lol Saha was 166 but that includes the championship and good luck finding anyone anywhere near his level to come to us these days...another golden goose that we couldn't hold on to.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on January 05, 2025, 09:51:49 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 04, 2025, 11:51:12 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 04, 2025, 11:26:19 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1875684763094462921
Would really like this to be fair https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14250743/Fulham-James-McAtee-Man-City.html?ito=native_share_article-top
Very very well liked by Sheffield utd fans where he did brilliantly on loan
Seems a very capable AP replacement to me at both CM and CAM. Would love to see him and ESR mature together in the same team
Question is whether he can play a deeper role as he looks a very attack minded player in that vid.
I agree Bass.
He was playing a Wilson role in that reel.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 05, 2025, 11:36:23 AMI think Silva thinks it's a blind spot for some of our fans not realising what our strikers are contributing. This is why he is surprised on current form...
Mins per goal at the half way point for strikers:
Duran - 86
Haaland - 112
Isaak - 113
Wissa - 130
Wood - 135
Jota - 143
Cunha - 156
Jackson - 160
Watkins - 170
Unal - 173
Hirst - 180
Wellbeck- 185
Fullkrug - 186
Raul - 190
Muniz - 191
But isn't this essentially a list showing that more than half the league has a better striker than us?
As always, I think it depends on our aspirations. Want to finish 11th-14th - fine, our strikers are good enough. Want to push for 6th-8th/Europe - need more quality.
The same issue applies to these comparisons against previous Fulham teams. What's our average PL finish pre-Silva - I'm guessing again about 12th-14th. So not a relevant benchmark if we now want to do better than that.
Weighing up a move 😂😂😂. We either want to do something this season or we want to stand still. Stansfield money equates to 45 million profit. If we want Silva to sign a new contract we have to show ambition or he will 💯 be snapped up by a bigger ambitions club. Role the dice Fulham we are on the cusp of something great .
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1875684763094462921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1875684763094462921%7Ctwgr%5Edddd838559722468e62fb6663f05782b3dcbc14b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.friendsoffulham.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D95517.340
100% yes to this.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on January 05, 2025, 09:51:49 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 04, 2025, 11:51:12 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 04, 2025, 11:26:19 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1875684763094462921
Would really like this to be fair https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14250743/Fulham-James-McAtee-Man-City.html?ito=native_share_article-top
Very very well liked by Sheffield utd fans where he did brilliantly on loan
Seems a very capable AP replacement to me at both CM and CAM. Would love to see him and ESR mature together in the same team
Question is whether he can play a deeper role as he looks a very attack minded player in that vid.
Yes he can, he's actually played at CM 46 times in his career including at Sheffield with 61 games at CAM.
Very similar profile in that regard to AP
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 05, 2025, 01:00:22 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 05, 2025, 11:36:23 AMI think Silva thinks it's a blind spot for some of our fans not realising what our strikers are contributing. This is why he is surprised on current form...
Mins per goal at the half way point for strikers:
Duran - 86
Haaland - 112
Isaak - 113
Wissa - 130
Wood - 135
Jota - 143
Cunha - 156
Jackson - 160
Watkins - 170
Unal - 173
Hirst - 180
Wellbeck- 185
Fullkrug - 186
Raul - 190
Muniz - 191
But isn't this essentially a list showing that more than half the league has a better striker than us?
As always, I think it depends on our aspirations. Want to finish 11th-14th - fine, our strikers are good enough. Want to push for 6th-8th/Europe - need more quality.
The same issue applies to these comparisons against previous Fulham teams. What's our average PL finish pre-Silva - I'm guessing again about 12th-14th. So not a relevant benchmark if we now want to do better than that.
They are good enough to push for Europe...we have been all season with them in the team with their current scoring rate. Yet again today it is the defence that has cost us not our strikers. Are they good enough to push for champions league? No, but a club of our size doesn't have the budget to do that.
Only compared to previous strikers as you were listing them like they were better.
We need our defence to do better and the likes of Smith-Rowe and AP to contribute more in the final 3rd as these are the biggest obstacles to us making Europe as long as Raul/Muniz keep contributing a goal every other game.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 05, 2025, 01:08:12 PMWeighing up a move 😂😂😂. We either want to do something this season or we want to stand still. Stansfield money equates to 45 million profit. If we want Silva to sign a new contract we have to show ambition or he will 💯 be snapped up by a bigger ambitions club. Role the dice Fulham we are on the cusp of something great .
Marco seems perfectly content from his comments and isn't seemingly stressing about not being backed. The board sanctioned significant fees for targets he felt particularly strongly were worth paying the extra for to secure by all reports in the summer (ESR and Andersen)
He doesn't seem desperate for additions but only thinks we should act if clear quality and value is available. Seems perfectly happy with how he's been backed generally and I suspect he will be again in the summer
Can we please, please take the best offer for AP and wave goodbye? TC has been great but his time is coming to an end and AP is nowhere close to good enough, we need fresh blood in midfield.
Quote from: Twig on January 05, 2025, 04:57:54 PMCan we please, please take the best offer for AP and wave goodbye? TC has been great but his time is coming to an end and AP is nowhere close to good enough, we need fresh blood in midfield.
I go along with those comments. Hopefully some dynamism as we lack any in midfield.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 05, 2025, 01:08:12 PMWeighing up a move 😂😂😂. We either want to do something this season or we want to stand still. Stansfield money equates to 45 million profit. If we want Silva to sign a new contract we have to show ambition or he will 💯 be snapped up by a bigger ambitions club. Role the dice Fulham we are on the cusp of something great .
Does it equate to £45m profit? I thought just a straight £15m with no deductions for amortisation to pay out to a former club.
Will will miss AP if he goes but if we replace him with an up grade it will help us be more positive and ruthless when attacking!
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 05, 2025, 05:02:28 PMQuote from: Twig on January 05, 2025, 04:57:54 PMCan we please, please take the best offer for AP and wave goodbye? TC has been great but his time is coming to an end and AP is nowhere close to good enough, we need fresh blood in midfield.
I go along with those comments. Hopefully some dynamism as we lack any in midfield.
Yes I don't understand the focus on a striker. Raul and Muniz clearly know where the goal is.
Service is the issue. AP head is in the wrong place. We need a strong attacking midfielder.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 05, 2025, 04:24:02 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 05, 2025, 01:00:22 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 05, 2025, 11:36:23 AMI think Silva thinks it's a blind spot for some of our fans not realising what our strikers are contributing. This is why he is surprised on current form...
Mins per goal at the half way point for strikers:
Duran - 86
Haaland - 112
Isaak - 113
Wissa - 130
Wood - 135
Jota - 143
Cunha - 156
Jackson - 160
Watkins - 170
Unal - 173
Hirst - 180
Wellbeck- 185
Fullkrug - 186
Raul - 190
Muniz - 191
But isn't this essentially a list showing that more than half the league has a better striker than us?
As always, I think it depends on our aspirations. Want to finish 11th-14th - fine, our strikers are good enough. Want to push for 6th-8th/Europe - need more quality.
The same issue applies to these comparisons against previous Fulham teams. What's our average PL finish pre-Silva - I'm guessing again about 12th-14th. So not a relevant benchmark if we now want to do better than that.
They are good enough to push for Europe...we have been all season with them in the team with their current scoring rate. Yet again today it is the defence that has cost us not our strikers. Are they good enough to push for champions league? No, but a club of our size doesn't have the budget to do that.
Only compared to previous strikers as you were listing them like they were better.
We need our defence to do better and the likes of Smith-Rowe and AP to contribute more in the final 3rd as these are the biggest obstacles to us making Europe as long as Raul/Muniz keep contributing a goal every other game.
I mean, whether they're good enough to get us into Europe is something we'll only know at the end of the season, but as it stands the table says they're not because we're 9th.
Not sure how anyone can complain about 3 CBs with a combined market value easily over £100m and simultaneously say we don't have the economic reach to buy a new striker that'll "cost a fortune" etc (not that i think it would cost a fortune necessarily, but even if it did, it would be easier than upgrading our defensive talent, irrespective of how poorly theyre playing/organised at the moment).
With that said, I will concede that Raul was top class today, and we were never going to upgrade such a key position in a January window anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point, probably best left for discussion in the summer now.
Quote from: hopper on January 05, 2025, 05:17:18 PMQuote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 05, 2025, 01:08:12 PMWeighing up a move 😂😂😂. We either want to do something this season or we want to stand still. Stansfield money equates to 45 million profit. If we want Silva to sign a new contract we have to show ambition or he will 💯 be snapped up by a bigger ambitions club. Role the dice Fulham we are on the cusp of something great .
Does it equate to £45m profit? I thought just a straight £15m with no deductions for amortisation to pay out to a former club.
It equates to £15m or probably less because I doubt the unconditional part of the fee was even that much.
People like to multiply sale fees x3 or x5 to suggest we could use it to finance the first year's amortisation of that amount spread over a 3-5 year contract but it doesn't really work like that.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 05, 2025, 06:21:18 PMQuote from: hopper on January 05, 2025, 05:17:18 PMQuote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 05, 2025, 01:08:12 PMWeighing up a move 😂😂😂. We either want to do something this season or we want to stand still. Stansfield money equates to 45 million profit. If we want Silva to sign a new contract we have to show ambition or he will 💯 be snapped up by a bigger ambitions club. Role the dice Fulham we are on the cusp of something great .
Does it equate to £45m profit? I thought just a straight £15m with no deductions for amortisation to pay out to a former club.
It equates to £15m or probably less because I doubt the unconditional part of the fee was even that much.
People like to multiply sale fees x3 or x5 to suggest we could use it to finance the first year's amortisation of that amount spread over a 3-5 year contract but it doesn't really work like that.
One of my pet peeves with the pure profit and amortisation merchants. Sure, you could spend 45m from that transfer on a 3 year contract, but you'd still need to sell another player for £15 million profit for the next two seasons.
Quote from: Texas White on January 05, 2025, 05:23:27 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on January 05, 2025, 05:02:28 PMQuote from: Twig on January 05, 2025, 04:57:54 PMCan we please, please take the best offer for AP and wave goodbye? TC has been great but his time is coming to an end and AP is nowhere close to good enough, we need fresh blood in midfield.
I go along with those comments. Hopefully some dynamism as we lack any in midfield.
Yes I don't understand the focus on a striker. Raul and Muniz clearly know where the goal is.
Service is the issue. AP head is in the wrong place. We need a strong attacking midfielder.
not sure APs head is particularly in the wrong place but he's certainly being played in the wrong place. How often has he actually played in the #10 this season? In desperate need of Berge and Lukic getting a run so he can move further forward again
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 05, 2025, 06:21:18 PMQuote from: hopper on January 05, 2025, 05:17:18 PMQuote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 05, 2025, 01:08:12 PMWeighing up a move 😂😂😂. We either want to do something this season or we want to stand still. Stansfield money equates to 45 million profit. If we want Silva to sign a new contract we have to show ambition or he will 💯 be snapped up by a bigger ambitions club. Role the dice Fulham we are on the cusp of something great .
Does it equate to £45m profit? I thought just a straight £15m with no deductions for amortisation to pay out to a former club.
It equates to £15m or probably less because I doubt the unconditional part of the fee was even that much.
People like to multiply sale fees x3 or x5 to suggest we could use it to finance the first year's amortisation of that amount spread over a 3-5 year contract but it doesn't really work like that.
Yeah exactly, it's still one third of £45m isn't it, just means you could cover the cost of a financial year of a big signing. You still have the remaining years to cover.
You are all very good with your comments, maybe a lot of you should be out next manager as you know best !!!!
I do think we need a winger and a 6 this month. I'd personally hang on to AP until the summer, but he has to play as the 10 or not at all. Our wing depth is shocking with Nelson out long-term and Adama's form going backwards.
Quote from: Coast94 on January 05, 2025, 06:34:02 PMI do think we need a winger and a 6 this month. I'd personally hang on to AP until the summer, but he has to play as the 10 or not at all. Our wing depth is shocking with Nelson out long-term and Adama's form going backwards.
Maybe a bit more game time would give him back his confidence. I thought he made a difference when he came on today.
Adam changed the game his crossing was excellent today
Isnt 10 where Josh King likes to play?
We got 15 million plus 6 million add ons for Stansfield he was in our academy so pure profit which if the bonuses come through would equal 63 million pure profit. This is how Villa and Chelscum get around FFP same with Man U
Quote from: TB1973 on January 05, 2025, 06:31:41 PMYou are all very good with your comments, maybe a lot of you should be out next manager as you know best !!!!
What a boring comment. Congrats
Quote from: elgreenio on January 05, 2025, 06:28:37 PMQuote from: Texas White on January 05, 2025, 05:23:27 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on January 05, 2025, 05:02:28 PMQuote from: Twig on January 05, 2025, 04:57:54 PMCan we please, please take the best offer for AP and wave goodbye? TC has been great but his time is coming to an end and AP is nowhere close to good enough, we need fresh blood in midfield.
I go along with those comments. Hopefully some dynamism as we lack any in midfield.
Yes I don't understand the focus on a striker. Raul and Muniz clearly know where the goal is.
Service is the issue. AP head is in the wrong place. We need a strong attacking midfielder.
not sure APs head is particularly in the wrong place but he's certainly being played in the wrong place. How often has he actually played in the #10 this season? In desperate need of Berge and Lukic getting a run so he can move further forward again
Move him so far forward he's not in the ground please. I don't care what position he plays in, he'll still hit totally crap corners and free kicks and will still misplaced passes routinely. Sorry but I've had it with him.
Quote from: TB1973 on January 05, 2025, 06:31:41 PMYou are all very good with your comments, maybe a lot of you should be out next manager as you know best !!!!
Gosh and I thought this was a discussion board. Pardon me for having an opinion!
Quote from: Coast94 on January 05, 2025, 06:34:02 PMI do think we need a winger and a 6 this month. I'd personally hang on to AP until the summer, but he has to play as the 10 or not at all. Our wing depth is shocking with Nelson out long-term and Adama's form going backwards.
Adama was very good again today when he came on. Put in some good crosses and generally caused issues. If anything after a little blip in form I think he's been getting better again with limited minutes. had some of our players finished a number of great chances hes created in recent games wed be talking about a number of assist and what an impact he'd made again. As ever, fine margins in this game
Quote from: hopper on January 05, 2025, 06:31:09 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 05, 2025, 06:21:18 PMQuote from: hopper on January 05, 2025, 05:17:18 PMQuote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 05, 2025, 01:08:12 PMWeighing up a move 😂😂😂. We either want to do something this season or we want to stand still. Stansfield money equates to 45 million profit. If we want Silva to sign a new contract we have to show ambition or he will 💯 be snapped up by a bigger ambitions club. Role the dice Fulham we are on the cusp of something great .
Does it equate to £45m profit? I thought just a straight £15m with no deductions for amortisation to pay out to a former club.
It equates to £15m or probably less because I doubt the unconditional part of the fee was even that much.
People like to multiply sale fees x3 or x5 to suggest we could use it to finance the first year's amortisation of that amount spread over a 3-5 year contract but it doesn't really work like that.
Yeah exactly, it's still one third of £45m isn't it, just means you could cover the cost of a financial year of a big signing. You still have the remaining years to cover.
Exactly, it's a misunderstanding of amortisation. If we get in £15m for a player it doesn't fund a £45m transfer. The other £30m doesn't appear by magic.
His head is far bigger than his ability ( AP that is )
Amen
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 05, 2025, 06:13:15 PMI mean, whether they're good enough to get us into Europe is something we'll only know at the end of the season, but as it stands the table says they're not because we're 9th.
Not sure how anyone can complain about 3 CBs with a combined market value easily over £100m and simultaneously say we don't have the economic reach to buy a new striker that'll "cost a fortune" etc (not that i think it would cost a fortune necessarily, but even if it did, it would be easier than upgrading our defensive talent, irrespective of how poorly theyre playing/organised at the moment).
With that said, I will concede that Raul was top class today, and we were never going to upgrade such a key position in a January window anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point, probably best left for discussion in the summer now.
Come on, if we could defend from time to time we'd be higher, just like if our forwards scored more of their chances or midfield scored more, we'd be higher. It's not
just the forwards that shoulder all of our ambitions. It stuns me that people don't see that.
Quote from: Jim© on January 05, 2025, 10:34:51 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 05, 2025, 06:13:15 PMI mean, whether they're good enough to get us into Europe is something we'll only know at the end of the season, but as it stands the table says they're not because we're 9th.
Not sure how anyone can complain about 3 CBs with a combined market value easily over £100m and simultaneously say we don't have the economic reach to buy a new striker that'll "cost a fortune" etc (not that i think it would cost a fortune necessarily, but even if it did, it would be easier than upgrading our defensive talent, irrespective of how poorly theyre playing/organised at the moment).
With that said, I will concede that Raul was top class today, and we were never going to upgrade such a key position in a January window anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point, probably best left for discussion in the summer now.
Come on, if we could defend from time to time we'd be higher, just like if our forwards scored more of their chances or midfield scored more, we'd be higher. It's not just the forwards that shoulder all of our ambitions. It stuns me that people don't see that.
I think there are two completely different questions that could be unintentionally conflated here.
Is it the strikers' fault we didn't win today, or that have generally let us down lately? No. Raul is having a purple patch and was clearly MOTM today. Meanwhile Andersen has been poor lately and the whole defence was poor today.
Is it the strikers that we most need to upgrade in the long-term? Yes. A club our size isn't going to get better quality players than Andersen, Bassey, Robinson et al. We can however do better than Muniz, and probably better than Raul (albeit not the way he played today) who in any case is 34 next year.
Ah yes, agree that in the long term well require a Raul replacement.
But there have been loads of people saying buying a new striker = more goals = more points.
Quote from: Jim© on January 06, 2025, 08:00:44 AMAh yes, agree that in the long term well require a Raul replacement.
But there have been loads of people saying buying a new striker = more goals = more points.
We do need to plan to replace Raul fairly soon but I agree, it's hardly a burning issue as the guy has remained fit and free of serious injuries. In terms of quality another younger player of his standard would be fine with me. I would however be happy to see Vini leave to free up wages and a squad place.
I know our defence has had a few wobbles but I still think the quality of players we have to select from is about as good as we could hope for. We need a bit of stability to build a really solid partnership between our two preferred CB's, presumably Andersen and Bassey, a la Hughes and Hangeland.
For me the midfield is where our needs are greatest. I've been a huge TC fan but, like Raul, we need to plan a replacement sooner rather than later. And this is coupled with AP whose form has been frankly dreadful. I would like to see AP sold and two new midfield signings with TC dropping to a role as a super sub.
On the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.
Quote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 10:25:44 AMbut we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.
But we're conceding less without him in the side even though we're perhaps a little more attacking than previously (until the 5 at the back which I'm not sold on for every game).
Quote from: Jim© on January 06, 2025, 10:57:09 AMQuote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 10:25:44 AMbut we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.
But we're conceding less without him in the side even though we're perhaps a little more attacking than previously (until the 5 at the back which I'm not sold on for every game).
Berge has been a significant loss in those games I think. Good with the ball, progressive in his pass, and does that role role alongside Lukic.
Quote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 10:25:44 AMOn the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.
Forest have finally got the recruitment right after wasting tens of millions on dross.
Quote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 10:25:44 AMOn the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.
I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 06, 2025, 11:15:25 AMQuote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 10:25:44 AMOn the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.
I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.
His impact at Forest can't be overstated, what a great player. Would love someone with that no nonsense toughness at Fulham, it's a characteristic it feels we lack at the moment.
Quote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 11:24:19 AMQuote from: SerbianLad on January 06, 2025, 11:15:25 AMQuote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 10:25:44 AMOn the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.
I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.
His impact at Forest can't be overstated, what a great player. Would love someone with that no nonsense toughness at Fulham, it's a characteristic it feels we lack at the moment.
Being at Forest suits him though and I don't think he'd be anywhere near the same level with us. Forest routinely concede under 30% possession, and just have rock wall banks of 5 and play on the break. Nothing wrong with that and we have set up shop like it, but nowhere to the levels Forest do so that just really suits him. He's suspect on the ball which we expect way more from our CB's so personally, I think both us and Forest nailed the recruitment here......
Quote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 11:24:19 AMQuote from: SerbianLad on January 06, 2025, 11:15:25 AMQuote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 10:25:44 AMOn the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.
I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.
His impact at Forest can't be overstated, what a great player. Would love someone with that no nonsense toughness at Fulham, it's a characteristic it feels we lack at the moment.
Diop?
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 06, 2025, 11:34:50 AMQuote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 11:24:19 AMQuote from: SerbianLad on January 06, 2025, 11:15:25 AMQuote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 10:25:44 AMOn the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.
I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.
His impact at Forest can't be overstated, what a great player. Would love someone with that no nonsense toughness at Fulham, it's a characteristic it feels we lack at the moment.
Being at Forest suits him though and I don't think he'd be anywhere near the same level with us. Forest routinely concede under 30% possession, and just have rock wall banks of 5 and play on the break. Nothing wrong with that and we have set up shop like it, but nowhere to the levels Forest do so that just really suits him. He's suspect on the ball which we expect way more from our CB's so personally, I think both us and Forest nailed the recruitment here......
One Forest plsyer I'd love is Gibbs-White, he's a premium version of AP. He wasn't cheap, up to £45m, but they are lucky to have someone of that quality.
Agree MGW is a top player.
It's about finding the next MGW or someone similar. There rumours are around McAtee, can't say I know a lot about him but seems highly rated.
Quote from: hopper on January 06, 2025, 01:18:25 PMAgree MGW is a top player.
It's about finding the next MGW or someone similar. There rumours are around McAtee, can't say I know a lot about him but seems highly rated.
Not to compare him directly, but whenever Palmer played for City, I always thought he looked a decent player (never the heights he's hit though!!!!). I've had similar vibes to McAtee's play. Very tidy, works hard, plays the ball forward and likes to take his man on. I'd be really excited with the likes of him and Smith Rowe coming through for us.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 06, 2025, 11:34:50 AMBeing at Forest suits him though and I don't think he'd be anywhere near the same level with us. Forest routinely concede under 30% possession, and just have rock wall banks of 5 and play on the break. Nothing wrong with that and we have set up shop like it, but nowhere to the levels Forest do so that just really suits him. He's suspect on the ball which we expect way more from our CB's so personally, I think both us and Forest nailed the recruitment here......
I agree that he's much more suited for the Forest style of play. I disagree he's suspect on the ball, his passing isn't superb, but he's not extremely poor either, and he almost never makes the kind of passing mistakes that Diop, or even Bassey make(or Andersen in the last few games for that matter). I'm happy enough with what we've got, but would have been pleased if we got Milenkovic in too.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 06, 2025, 01:31:23 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 06, 2025, 11:34:50 AMBeing at Forest suits him though and I don't think he'd be anywhere near the same level with us. Forest routinely concede under 30% possession, and just have rock wall banks of 5 and play on the break. Nothing wrong with that and we have set up shop like it, but nowhere to the levels Forest do so that just really suits him. He's suspect on the ball which we expect way more from our CB's so personally, I think both us and Forest nailed the recruitment here......
I agree that he's much more suited for the Forest style of play. I disagree he's suspect on the ball, his passing isn't superb, but he's not extremely poor either, and he almost never makes the kind of passing mistakes that Diop, or even Bassey make(or Andersen in the last few games for that matter). I'm happy enough with what we've got, but would have been pleased if we got Milenkovic in too.
He barely has the ball compared to any of ours is the point. He's not a ball playing centre half compared to Diop (even with his occasional mistake). He's way worse on the ball compared to our centre halves as well in stats. Way less touches of the ball and tends to make more clearance interceptions which include winning headers. Which he excels at and rates him actually higher than our centre backs.
Looking at three different sites that characterise his weakness as 'passing' so I don't think anything I said was out of line. I think you've basically characterised what I meant by 'suspect' on the ball ie he's not superb, or even good, hes average which doesn't suit our defensive centre back needs. Marco might of coached it into him but ive seen nothing to date that he'd be any better than Diop, Andersen or Bassey on the ball.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 06, 2025, 01:38:12 PMHe barely has the ball compared to any of ours is the point. He's not a ball playing centre half compared to Diop (even with his occasional mistake). He's way worse on the ball compared to our centre halves as well in stats. Way less touches of the ball and tends to make more clearance interceptions which include winning headers. Which he excels at and rates him actually higher than our centre backs.
Looking at three different sites that characterise his weakness as 'passing' so I don't think anything I said was out of line. I think you've basically characterised what I meant by 'suspect' on the ball ie he's not superb, or even good, hes average which doesn't suit our defensive centre back needs. Marco might of coached it into him but ive seen nothing to date that he'd be any better than Diop, Andersen or Bassey on the ball.
I've watched him since he was a teenager. He isn't much worse than Issa or Calvin, if at all. Forest plays defensive football, as you said, and he doesn't get much of the ball. Also, his cb partner Murillo likes to carry the ball, dribble and pass, meaning that part of his role is to be more disciplined of the two.
I've watched every Forest game this season (if it clashed with a Fulham game I watched a replay) and he had some great long balls, which shows he's got that in his locker too.
He might play it safe more often than not, but he doesn't make many passing mistakes.
And again, I'm happy with what we've got, and I do think he's more suited for Forest's style of play, but I think he would have been good for Fulham too.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 06, 2025, 01:52:40 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 06, 2025, 01:38:12 PMHe barely has the ball compared to any of ours is the point. He's not a ball playing centre half compared to Diop (even with his occasional mistake). He's way worse on the ball compared to our centre halves as well in stats. Way less touches of the ball and tends to make more clearance interceptions which include winning headers. Which he excels at and rates him actually higher than our centre backs.
Looking at three different sites that characterise his weakness as 'passing' so I don't think anything I said was out of line. I think you've basically characterised what I meant by 'suspect' on the ball ie he's not superb, or even good, hes average which doesn't suit our defensive centre back needs. Marco might of coached it into him but ive seen nothing to date that he'd be any better than Diop, Andersen or Bassey on the ball.
I've watched him since he was a teenager. He isn't much worse than Issa or Calvin, if at all. Forest plays defensive football, as you said, and he doesn't get much of the ball. Also, his cb partner Murillo likes to carry the ball, dribble and pass, meaning that part of his role is to be more disciplined of the two.
I've watched every Forest game this season (if it clashed with a Fulham game I watched a replay) and he had some great long balls, which shows he's got that in his locker too.
He might play it safe more often than not, but he doesn't make many passing mistakes.
And again, I'm happy with what we've got, and I do think he's more suited for Forest's style of play, but I think he would have been good for Fulham too.
I mean, the stats don't really agree with that fella so I don't know what to say to you. He's great in a Forest shirt, Diop, Andersen and Bassey are great in Fulham shirts. It is what it is.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 06, 2025, 01:56:26 PMI mean, the stats don't really agree with that fella so I don't know what to say to you. He's great in a Forest shirt, Diop, Andersen and Bassey are great in Fulham shirts. It is what it is.
What part of what I said is in collision with the stats?
That he isn't much worse on the ball than what we currently have really. All 3 of ours have much higher stats than him on all passing stats which, considering they see a lot of the ball than him, really highlights the difference. MoTD did a great segment on him last week and highlighted much of the same. In an iron block, hes the top rated centre half in the league. That's immense. But putting him in our setup, he might step up and be better on the ball, Marco coaching etc. but I'm not convinced he adds to our current squad and he's great where he is.
Essentially, saying you saw some individual moments of good passing is fine, but when the stats suggest thats the anomaly, and not the rule, it kind of leads to the conclusion that his weakness, is probably still with the ball at his feet. But thats also fine, hes a defender, and he defends really, really well. But personally, I'm content with Diop, Andersen or Bassey myself. We have bigger issues in our squad than another centre back.
I remember SL saying go for him in the summer. Think the point SL makes about Murillo is key. Great passer to compliment. Bassey needed a great passer to compliment him so may not have worked. Shame as he's been an absolute rock for Forrest but right sized pegs in the right sized holes at both clubs. Just need Andersen to get back to the form of his first 4 or 5 games now. Sure he will.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 06, 2025, 02:05:05 PMThat he isn't much worse on the ball than what we currently have really. All 3 of ours have much higher stats than him on all passing stats which, considering they see a lot of the ball than him, really highlights the difference. MoTD did a great segment on him last week and highlighted much of the same. In an iron block, hes the top rated centre half in the league. That's immense. But putting him in our setup, he might step up and be better on the ball, Marco coaching etc. but I'm not convinced he adds to our current squad and he's great where he is.
Essentially, saying you saw some individual moments of good passing is fine, but when the stats suggest thats the anomaly, and not the rule, it kind of leads to the conclusion that his weakness, is probably still with the ball at his feet. But thats also fine, hes a defender, and he defends really, really well. But personally, I'm content with Diop, Andersen or Bassey myself. We have bigger issues in our squad than another centre back.
I agree with the last part completely.
But I still disagree about the first part. It's much easier to have better passing stats with higher usage in multiple games. Also the style of play Forest play require him to occasionally boot the ball aimlessly, which affects his passing stats too. In a different system, his passing stats would improve. He hasn't got Andersen's passing ability, he's not even close, but as someone who watched him before he came to Forest, at Fiorentina and Partizan and even some games in Partizan youth ranks, I'm telling you he's not as bad at passing as it's largely suggested in the media and his defensive ability more than compensates for his shortcomings. Carragher putting him in the team of the season so far is very much deserved accolade.
Quote from: Jim© on January 06, 2025, 08:00:44 AMAh yes, agree that in the long term well require a Raul replacement.
But there have been loads of people saying buying a new striker = more goals = more points.
Well i should hold my hands up and say I was one of them, I do think it remains our weakest area in terms of quality, and that has cost us points IMO. But I never expected us to buy a striker intra-season (ie in January) and Raul has hit another patch of form which mitigates/obviates my concern anyway, for now at least. Still think it was a mistake not to bring someone in last summer.
I also agree with Twig that midfield is a more pressing area on the metric of depth (as opposed to quality).
Hopefully ridiculous reports that we would pay £40m for McAtee.
£20m tops for me.
Can't see that he would have been able to change things on Sunday.
Reports from the Sun that we're interested in Ben Doak who's currently on loan at Middlesbrough from Liverpool. They want £20m plus to sign him permanently
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1876630025782301142
McAtee Is pretty exciting at the right price. City fans all seem to think he's amazing and most seem to want to keep him. Sheffield United fans all seem to think a player with huge potential but not worth more than £20m to £25m at the moment. Does he block Josh King a bit who has looked so promising the last few games? A loan with a £25m option would seem like pretty great business if we could pull it off especially if moving AP on. Can't however see AP going with all the posts he's been putting out and with Fulham releasing a video for his 100th appearance today.
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1876690151889362947
Selling Pereira and getting in McAtee at a similar fee would be alright by me.
McAtee has mostly been playing on the right wing, so he might be the long term upgrade on Traore/Wilson.
Be delighted if we get somewhere in the region of £20m for AP, he's not been at the races this season and his sub performance on Sunday summed this up, awful.
Would love to see McAtee but only a loan with an option not just a straight loan.
I'd be absolutely fine with McAtee at 25m, he adds another attacking player along the front line and a young one too.
I'd also be fine with selling Andreas for similar. However I do think that leaves us light in CM, especially with Cairney getting old and Reed injured/struggling with our level. I'd really like to see us targeting a high engine CM, essentially upgrading on Reed.
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1876709064740073732
Is it just me or does this Andreas stuff seem mad?
I get that he is clearly unhappy/not performing to the levels we know that he can (although I don't think he is anything like as bad as some are making out) but for Brazillian sides to be stumping up these sort of offers for him and for him to want to go there just isn't adding up.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on January 07, 2025, 08:05:49 PMIs it just me or does this Andreas stuff seem mad?
I get that he is clearly unhappy/not performing to the levels we know that he can (although I don't think he is anything like as bad as some are making out) but for Brazillian sides to be stumping up these sort of offers for him and for him to want to go there just isn't adding up.
I don't get it either. Brazilian teams normally don't have money, AP is on a decent salary and why would he leave the premier league anyway? I would also think that we would buy before we sell.
Quote from: Surlyc on January 07, 2025, 07:37:10 PMI'd be absolutely fine with McAtee at 25m, he adds another attacking player along the front line and a young one too.
I'd also be fine with selling Andreas for similar. However I do think that leaves us light in CM, especially with Cairney getting old and Reed injured/struggling with our level. I'd really like to see us targeting a high engine CM, essentially upgrading on Reed.
I think King will be Cairneys replacement in the very near future
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1876698333156131219
Romano shut down the Palmeiras report almost immediately plus Pereira has been going very hard on showing love for Fulham recently. Think this is all Brazilian BS. Remember how many times the Andre deal was done?
Quote from: St Eve on January 07, 2025, 08:21:14 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on January 07, 2025, 08:05:49 PMIs it just me or does this Andreas stuff seem mad?
I get that he is clearly unhappy/not performing to the levels we know that he can (although I don't think he is anything like as bad as some are making out) but for Brazillian sides to be stumping up these sort of offers for him and for him to want to go there just isn't adding up.
I don't get it either. Brazilian teams normally don't have money, AP is on a decent salary and why would he leave the premier league anyway? I would also think that we would buy before we sell.
I get that he may fancy a new league, or CL football if he goes to the continent, he's good enough for pretty much any Italian side I would imagine.
But I am also glad that it isn't just me that isn't making much sense of the story so far mate!
Quote from: btffc on January 07, 2025, 08:45:44 PMhttps://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1876698333156131219
Romano shut down the Palmeiras report almost immediately plus Pereira has been going very hard on showing love for Fulham recently. Think this is all Brazilian BS. Remember how many times the Andre deal was done?
Didn't he today do a photo with the MILF shirt (Man I Love Fulham) in the gym? Weird report to say it would be devastating for him to not become their player lol
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 07, 2025, 08:59:57 PMQuote from: btffc on January 07, 2025, 08:45:44 PMhttps://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1876698333156131219
Romano shut down the Palmeiras report almost immediately plus Pereira has been going very hard on showing love for Fulham recently. Think this is all Brazilian BS. Remember how many times the Andre deal was done?
Didn't he today do a photo with the MILF shirt (Man I Love Fulham) in the gym? Weird report to say it would be devastating for him to not become their player lol
He did on Iwobi's then he reposted it after the report came out with the caption "Say Less" so he is saying it is BS.
https://twitter.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1876826376424063318
Something very fishy about this whole Palmeiras thing. FFN does have some connections at the club so I believe that's where the quotes are coming from.
would be silly to sell him in Jan
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1876776816192450729?t=CSmMPfmlZKC5OzZb85r2yg&s=19
More fuel to the Douglas Luiz fire. You'd think likely were putting out feelers for potential AP replacement options if it happens
Quote from: jayffc on January 08, 2025, 09:56:29 AMhttps://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1876776816192450729?t=CSmMPfmlZKC5OzZb85r2yg&s=19
More fuel to the Douglas Luiz fire. You'd think likely were putting out feelers for potential AP replacement options if it happens
I'd really like him- think he is a very decent player. Seems strange though as he's not been at Juve long and has been injured with "muscle fatigue"?!
Pereira milf photo
https://x.com/nocontextfooty/status/1876701462551470367
Quote from: Thailand Mick on January 08, 2025, 10:26:20 AMPereira milf photo
https://x.com/nocontextfooty/status/1876701462551470367
Who's the merchant in the hoody standing next to him covering his boat race up.
Tim Vickery who is a respected South American journalist has said that there are clubs now who can afford to pay larger transfer fees to get in players back to South American clubs as they have backing of either private equity or global fund groups.
I get from his interviews Pereira seems to be very concentrated in wanting to play for the Brazilian National team and may be thinks if he can move back there to a top team he'll cement his place in a (poor) National Team squad.
AP doesn't exude happiness in this interview:
https://www.fulhamfc.com/videos/5f6de0f9-ad7a-44fe-8e3d-eb319f438808
Quote from: Southcoastffc on January 08, 2025, 11:07:42 AMAP doesn't exude happiness in this interview:
https://www.fulhamfc.com/videos/5f6de0f9-ad7a-44fe-8e3d-eb319f438808
I wouldn't read anything into this whatsoever. Outside of the pitch on match day he never really looks especially animated or enthusiastic in any shape or form from any interview I've seen with him.
Quote from: jayffc on January 08, 2025, 09:56:29 AMhttps://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1876776816192450729?t=CSmMPfmlZKC5OzZb85r2yg&s=19
More fuel to the Douglas Luiz fire. You'd think likely were putting out feelers for potential AP replacement options if it happens
Source is schira again. Social media clout seeker who makes stuff up. Not worth paying attention to
https://twitter.com/JacobsBen/status/1877088159567089865
I mean at that level, we're biting their hand off surely.
Silva has already made the mistakes of keeping Perreira in the starting XI for too long, and designating him as our penalty taker. Let's hope this time he sees sense and the opportunity to get a great deal for a limited player who's approaching 30.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 08, 2025, 10:00:47 PMI mean at that level, we're biting their hand off surely.
Silva has already made the mistakes of keeping Perreira in the starting XI for too long, and designating him as our penalty taker. Let's hope this time he sees sense and the opportunity to get a great deal for a limited player who's approaching 30.
Assuming that's a flat fee rather than including add ons, I think we should definitely accept. He just doesn't seem to fit into this new system. Others have mentioned he may not want the move though.
It all depends if we have a quality replacement ready to sign, if we do move AP on.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 08, 2025, 11:11:56 PMIt all depends if we have a quality replacement ready to sign, if we do move AP on.
Alot of suggestion Brazilian rumours around AP aren't of interest to Andreas. Would she absolutely chuffed with Luiz or Macatee though if he were to depart
Quote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 12:55:15 AMQuote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 08, 2025, 11:11:56 PMIt all depends if we have a quality replacement ready to sign, if we do move AP on.
Alot of suggestion Brazilian rumours around AP aren't of interest to Andreas. Would she absolutely chuffed with Luiz or Macatee though if he were to depart
McAtee would be a RW, not an 8 so I don't believe that is related to AP. However, it does appear that Luiz is the replacement if AP leaves which would be quite the outcome. I'd be fine with either outcome but if Luiz is really on the docket then I have no issue if AP leaves.
Quote from: btffc on January 09, 2025, 01:04:15 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 12:55:15 AMQuote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 08, 2025, 11:11:56 PMIt all depends if we have a quality replacement ready to sign, if we do move AP on.
Alot of suggestion Brazilian rumours around AP aren't of interest to Andreas. Would she absolutely chuffed with Luiz or Macatee though if he were to depart
McAtee would be a RW, not an 8 so I don't believe that is related to AP. However, it does appear that Luiz is the replacement if AP leaves which would be quite the outcome. I'd be fine with either outcome but if Luiz is really on the docket then I have no issue if AP leaves.
In his career he's played 62 games at CAM,46 games at CM and 5 games at RW (8 more at RM)
He's played a few games recently at RW but he's always been a more central player who has the skillset to also play out wide. Much like Iwobi and ESR he's one who's capable of playing in a number of positions which we know Marco likes. Seems perfect for what we need if AP goes as he puts himself about competitively but also has skill to help offer us much needing wing depth with nelson out. 2 birds one stone if we go that route.
Though I'd add if we went Luiz route we get the benefit of his more defensive cover at DM as well as CM which I feel we could do with . Either way would be great signings
Quote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 01:11:32 AMQuote from: btffc on January 09, 2025, 01:04:15 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 12:55:15 AMQuote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 08, 2025, 11:11:56 PMIt all depends if we have a quality replacement ready to sign, if we do move AP on.
Alot of suggestion Brazilian rumours around AP aren't of interest to Andreas. Would she absolutely chuffed with Luiz or Macatee though if he were to depart
McAtee would be a RW, not an 8 so I don't believe that is related to AP. However, it does appear that Luiz is the replacement if AP leaves which would be quite the outcome. I'd be fine with either outcome but if Luiz is really on the docket then I have no issue if AP leaves.
In his career he's played 62 games at CAM,46 games at CM and 5 games at RW (8 more at RM)
He's played a few games recently at RW but he's always been a more central player who has the skillset to also play out wide. Much like Iwobi and ESR he's one who's capable of playing in a number of positions which we know Marco likes. Seems perfect for what we need if AP goes as he puts himself about competitively but also has skill to help offer us much needing wing depth with nelson out. 2 birds one stone if we go that route.
Though I'd add if we went Luiz route we get the benefit of his more defensive cover at DM as well as CM which I feel we could do with . Either way would be great signings
Being reported Notts forest are in for Luiz and can't help but feel in the transfer window they are far quicker and decisive when it comes to getting things done, so if they are genuinely in we won't get him.
Quote from: DevonFFC on January 09, 2025, 06:55:50 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 01:11:32 AMQuote from: btffc on January 09, 2025, 01:04:15 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 12:55:15 AMQuote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 08, 2025, 11:11:56 PMIt all depends if we have a quality replacement ready to sign, if we do move AP on.
Alot of suggestion Brazilian rumours around AP aren't of interest to Andreas. Would she absolutely chuffed with Luiz or Macatee though if he were to depart
McAtee would be a RW, not an 8 so I don't believe that is related to AP. However, it does appear that Luiz is the replacement if AP leaves which would be quite the outcome. I'd be fine with either outcome but if Luiz is really on the docket then I have no issue if AP leaves.
In his career he's played 62 games at CAM,46 games at CM and 5 games at RW (8 more at RM)
He's played a few games recently at RW but he's always been a more central player who has the skillset to also play out wide. Much like Iwobi and ESR he's one who's capable of playing in a number of positions which we know Marco likes. Seems perfect for what we need if AP goes as he puts himself about competitively but also has skill to help offer us much needing wing depth with nelson out. 2 birds one stone if we go that route.
Though I'd add if we went Luiz route we get the benefit of his more defensive cover at DM as well as CM which I feel we could do with . Either way would be great signings
Being reported Notts forest are in for Luiz and can't help but feel in the transfer window they are far quicker and decisive when it comes to getting things done, so if they are genuinely in we won't get him.
Agree with this. I think we could convince him to come here if it was between the two of us. There's not a lot for CM's to do in that team other than defend as the ball goes forward so quickly in attack they're pretty much bypassed, as a creative player that wouldn't be fun.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on January 09, 2025, 07:25:49 AMQuote from: DevonFFC on January 09, 2025, 06:55:50 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 01:11:32 AMQuote from: btffc on January 09, 2025, 01:04:15 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 12:55:15 AMQuote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 08, 2025, 11:11:56 PMIt all depends if we have a quality replacement ready to sign, if we do move AP on.
Alot of suggestion Brazilian rumours around AP aren't of interest to Andreas. Would she absolutely chuffed with Luiz or Macatee though if he were to depart
McAtee would be a RW, not an 8 so I don't believe that is related to AP. However, it does appear that Luiz is the replacement if AP leaves which would be quite the outcome. I'd be fine with either outcome but if Luiz is really on the docket then I have no issue if AP leaves.
In his career he's played 62 games at CAM,46 games at CM and 5 games at RW (8 more at RM)
He's played a few games recently at RW but he's always been a more central player who has the skillset to also play out wide. Much like Iwobi and ESR he's one who's capable of playing in a number of positions which we know Marco likes. Seems perfect for what we need if AP goes as he puts himself about competitively but also has skill to help offer us much needing wing depth with nelson out. 2 birds one stone if we go that route.
Though I'd add if we went Luiz route we get the benefit of his more defensive cover at DM as well as CM which I feel we could do with . Either way would be great signings
Being reported Notts forest are in for Luiz and can't help but feel in the transfer window they are far quicker and decisive when it comes to getting things done, so if they are genuinely in we won't get him.
Agree with this. I think we could convince him to come here if it was between the two of us. There's not a lot for CM's to do in that team other than defend as the ball goes forward so quickly in attack they're pretty much bypassed, as a creative player that wouldn't be fun.
At Forest he's either a defensive mid, or competing with MGW for a spot, which he may not fancy. I would be surprised if "bigger" teams aren't interested, e.g. Spurs after Bentancur's problem last night.
Quote from: DevonFFC on January 09, 2025, 06:55:50 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 01:11:32 AMQuote from: btffc on January 09, 2025, 01:04:15 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 09, 2025, 12:55:15 AMQuote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 08, 2025, 11:11:56 PMIt all depends if we have a quality replacement ready to sign, if we do move AP on.
Alot of suggestion Brazilian rumours around AP aren't of interest to Andreas. Would she absolutely chuffed with Luiz or Macatee though if he were to depart
McAtee would be a RW, not an 8 so I don't believe that is related to AP. However, it does appear that Luiz is the replacement if AP leaves which would be quite the outcome. I'd be fine with either outcome but if Luiz is really on the docket then I have no issue if AP leaves.
In his career he's played 62 games at CAM,46 games at CM and 5 games at RW (8 more at RM)
He's played a few games recently at RW but he's always been a more central player who has the skillset to also play out wide. Much like Iwobi and ESR he's one who's capable of playing in a number of positions which we know Marco likes. Seems perfect for what we need if AP goes as he puts himself about competitively but also has skill to help offer us much needing wing depth with nelson out. 2 birds one stone if we go that route.
Though I'd add if we went Luiz route we get the benefit of his more defensive cover at DM as well as CM which I feel we could do with . Either way would be great signings
Being reported Notts forest are in for Luiz and can't help but feel in the transfer window they are far quicker and decisive when it comes to getting things done, so if they are genuinely in we won't get him.
But Forest don't care about FFP or PRS or whatever it called nowadays
He's arguably a better fit right now for Forest than he is for us - as he just comes into their team as a huge upgrade on Yates, whereas for us it is a bit less clear cut. But my guess is that as they have Sangare and Danilo in the treatment room (and their general PSR situation), Forest would only offer Juve a loan.
Whereas we feasibly might offer a loan with an option which could be more appealing.
https://twitter.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1877374753364746747
Quote from: IloveFFC on January 09, 2025, 03:25:01 PMhttps://twitter.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1877374753364746747
I must be missing something, but he has scored goals in the UAE, not too impressive in Brazil, why are so many clubs looking at him?
Quote from: IloveFFC on January 09, 2025, 03:25:01 PMhttps://twitter.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1877374753364746747
Shame he isnt a goalkepper then the club couls announce when he signs "Jesus Saves"
Had a decent season I gather at Botafoga who won the league. But to the initial eye test I can't say I'm particularly enthused by this. If it was Vini departing and this guy coming in, ok, although at the prices thrown about I'm not overly convinced. Must admit not watched any full matches of his though and the links all still mostly poor sources so we'll see
I've not watched Igor Jesus play, but it looks like his agent is working in overdrive: he's getting linked to heaps of prem teams.
The stats suggest he's an aggressive press merchant, excellent at carrying the ball, passing the ball, and receiving the ball ahead of him or with his back to goal or even out wide. I see news reports comparing him to Vinicius, but maybe Richarlison (in his Everton days) could be another comparable player.
He probably isn't as clinical as we'd want, but he seems to otherwise be a very fluid link-up player who can hold a front line well. Seems like the sort of player who'd fit our system well, and he's still v young.
£30m feels like a lot, but it could be interesting.
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 09, 2025, 06:33:56 PMI've not watched Igor Jesus play, but it looks like his agent is working in overdrive: he's getting linked to heaps of prem teams.
The stats suggest he's an aggressive press merchant, excellent at carrying the ball, passing the ball, and receiving the ball ahead of him or with his back to goal or even out wide. I see news reports comparing him to Vinicius, but maybe Richarlison (in his Everton days) could be another comparable player.
He probably isn't as clinical as we'd want, but he seems to otherwise be a very fluid link-up player who can hold a front line well. Seems like the sort of player who'd fit our system well, and he's still v young.
£30m feels like a lot, but it could be interesting.
Which Vinicius? If it's Carlos then I'm not interested lol.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on January 09, 2025, 07:08:41 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 09, 2025, 06:33:56 PMI've not watched Igor Jesus play, but it looks like his agent is working in overdrive: he's getting linked to heaps of prem teams.
The stats suggest he's an aggressive press merchant, excellent at carrying the ball, passing the ball, and receiving the ball ahead of him or with his back to goal or even out wide. I see news reports comparing him to Vinicius, but maybe Richarlison (in his Everton days) could be another comparable player.
He probably isn't as clinical as we'd want, but he seems to otherwise be a very fluid link-up player who can hold a front line well. Seems like the sort of player who'd fit our system well, and he's still v young.
£30m feels like a lot, but it could be interesting.
Which Vinicius? If it's Carlos then I'm not interested lol.
Ha - I forgot our one existed!
Jr, I've seen him compared to Vinicius Jr. Apparently he's also compared himself to Vinicius Jr too.
Extremely spurious links to Dewsbury Hall at £30m on social media.....can't say I'd be impressed with this. I don't dislike the player but he's not proven at this level, now 26, and Chelsea paid £35m for him and he's not really kicked a ball so surely £30m is wishful thinking....
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 01:07:41 PMExtremely spurious links to Dewsbury Hall at £30m on social media.....can't say I'd be impressed with this. I don't dislike the player but he's not proven at this level, now 26, and Chelsea paid £35m for him and he's not really kicked a ball so surely £30m is wishful thinking....
He is proven at this level. The year Leicester went down I thought we should have gone for him. He would be a good signing. If we go for him I would prefer a loan with an option to buy though. I think he's a good player.
Igor Jesus is pony his highlight reel on you tube is very average . We can do much better. The Brazil media make up so much rubbish no chance we spend 30 million on a player with no premier league experience.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 11, 2025, 03:38:09 PMIgor Jesus is pony his highlight reel on you tube is very average . We can do much better. The Brazil media make up so much rubbish no chance we soend 30 million on a player with no premier league experience.
I also haven't watched much of him play, but compare his stats to our other forwards and you can probably see why he's getting interest:
https://fbref.com/en/players/dbe24cce/Igor-Jesus
https://fbref.com/en/players/a755db8c/Rodrigo-Muniz
https://fbref.com/en/players/b561db50/Raul-Jimenez
He's clearly doing a lot to receive the ball up high and link up play. Stuff that doesn't always translate well in a YouTube reel, but could be very valuable in Marco's system.
Quote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 03:03:08 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 01:07:41 PMExtremely spurious links to Dewsbury Hall at £30m on social media.....can't say I'd be impressed with this. I don't dislike the player but he's not proven at this level, now 26, and Chelsea paid £35m for him and he's not really kicked a ball so surely £30m is wishful thinking....
He is proven at this level. The year Leicester went down I thought we should have gone for him. He would be a good signing. If we go for him I would prefer a loan with an option to buy though. I think he's a good player.
He's far from proven at this level! He's had one proper season in the prem, made 31 appearances and scored 2 goals and assisted twice. For a player in his role that's really poor even if you factor in how poor Leicester were that year. Season before that he had 28 appearances and scored once and assisted twice again.
So apologies but it's not true he's proven himself!!!
Dewsbury hall would be an excellent signing . Cairney, Adama Andreas on their way in the summer he would be ideal as he can play 10,8 or left or right wing
Rumour is that we are about to offer Andreas a new contract.
One of my list Romain Esse off to palace gutted he has unbelievable potential
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 06:10:59 PMQuote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 03:03:08 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 01:07:41 PMExtremely spurious links to Dewsbury Hall at £30m on social media.....can't say I'd be impressed with this. I don't dislike the player but he's not proven at this level, now 26, and Chelsea paid £35m for him and he's not really kicked a ball so surely £30m is wishful thinking....
He is proven at this level. The year Leicester went down I thought we should have gone for him. He would be a good signing. If we go for him I would prefer a loan with an option to buy though. I think he's a good player.
He's far from proven at this level! He's had one proper season in the prem, made 31 appearances and scored 2 goals and assisted twice. For a player in his role that's really poor even if you factor in how poor Leicester were that year. Season before that he had 28 appearances and scored once and assisted twice again.
So apologies but it's not true he's proven himself!!!
Completely disagree. I saw him play a few times and he's more than good enough. I guess we just have a difference of opinion.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 11, 2025, 03:38:09 PMno chance we spend 30 million on a player with no premier league experience.
I dont have an opinion on Igor, but at some point we need to take off the stabilisers and stop signing (mostly) players with PL experience.
Palhinha and Bassey show it can work.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 11, 2025, 07:19:21 PMQuote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 11, 2025, 03:38:09 PMno chance we spend 30 million on a player with no premier league experience.
I dont have an opinion on Igor, but at some point we need to take off the stabilisers and stop signing (mostly) players with PL experience.
Palhinha and Bassey show it can work.
Cuenca has been very good when given opportunities as well.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 11, 2025, 07:19:21 PMQuote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 11, 2025, 03:38:09 PMno chance we spend 30 million on a player with no premier league experience.
I dont have an opinion on Igor, but at some point we need to take off the stabilisers and stop signing (mostly) players with PL experience.
Palhinha and Bassey show it can work.
We certainly needed PL experience in the early years but I agree we have a good enough squad to be in this division now so we can explore other markets. Our scouting department seems to be pretty good and we've certainly got an eye for a bargain. Adama on a free and Jiminez for around £5m to £5m look great value
Hatrick for Macatee today against Salford in the cup
Quote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 07:18:36 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 06:10:59 PMQuote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 03:03:08 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 01:07:41 PMExtremely spurious links to Dewsbury Hall at £30m on social media.....can't say I'd be impressed with this. I don't dislike the player but he's not proven at this level, now 26, and Chelsea paid £35m for him and he's not really kicked a ball so surely £30m is wishful thinking....
He is proven at this level. The year Leicester went down I thought we should have gone for him. He would be a good signing. If we go for him I would prefer a loan with an option to buy though. I think he's a good player.
He's far from proven at this level! He's had one proper season in the prem, made 31 appearances and scored 2 goals and assisted twice. For a player in his role that's really poor even if you factor in how poor Leicester were that year. Season before that he had 28 appearances and scored once and assisted twice again.
So apologies but it's not true he's proven himself!!!
Completely disagree. I saw him play a few times and he's more than good enough. I guess we just have a difference of opinion.
Disagree with what though? His stats show he isn't proven. Having said I actually rate him but it's daft to pretend a couple of games we've watched proves he's proven when his stats totally disagree with the eye test....and for £30m!? Having a laugh.
Quote from: jayffc on January 11, 2025, 07:53:28 PMHatrick for Macatee today against Salford in the cup
Damn, that's adding a few noughts to his fee, shame as I think he's looked sma really promising talent.
Quote from: jayffc on January 11, 2025, 07:53:28 PMHatrick for Macatee today against Salford in the cup
McAtee is an exceptional player; whenever he gets the ball, something good seems to occur. I haven't watched all his games, mostly the highlights, but he strikes me as a talented young player with a lot of energy.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 11, 2025, 07:08:20 PMOne of my list Romain Esse off to palace gutted he has unbelievable potential
Not seen him play. It is increasingly intriguing how Palace seem on the ball with Championship talent in a way other PL clubs aren't. Does seem it's a market we don't tend to look at. Not been a football league signing since Robinson I think in 2020.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 07:54:00 PMQuote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 07:18:36 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 06:10:59 PMQuote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 03:03:08 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 01:07:41 PMExtremely spurious links to Dewsbury Hall at £30m on social media.....can't say I'd be impressed with this. I don't dislike the player but he's not proven at this level, now 26, and Chelsea paid £35m for him and he's not really kicked a ball so surely £30m is wishful thinking....
He is proven at this level. The year Leicester went down I thought we should have gone for him. He would be a good signing. If we go for him I would prefer a loan with an option to buy though. I think he's a good player.
He's far from proven at this level! He's had one proper season in the prem, made 31 appearances and scored 2 goals and assisted twice. For a player in his role that's really poor even if you factor in how poor Leicester were that year. Season before that he had 28 appearances and scored once and assisted twice again.
So apologies but it's not true he's proven himself!!!
Completely disagree. I saw him play a few times and he's more than good enough. I guess we just have a difference of opinion.
Disagree with what though? His stats show he isn't proven. Having said I actually rate him but it's daft to pretend a couple of games we've watched proves he's proven when his stats totally disagree with the eye test....and for £30m!? Having a laugh.
You're looking at goals and assists, why don't you look at Mousa Dembélé's stats - he was one of the best PL midfielders in his time. Dewsbury Hall's stats in the Championship were very impressive. Anyhow, stats don't necessarily tell the entire story. So yes, I disagree - having seen him play I think he is more than good enough.
Quote from: LC on January 12, 2025, 02:06:24 AMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 07:54:00 PMQuote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 07:18:36 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 06:10:59 PMQuote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 03:03:08 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 01:07:41 PMExtremely spurious links to Dewsbury Hall at £30m on social media.....can't say I'd be impressed with this. I don't dislike the player but he's not proven at this level, now 26, and Chelsea paid £35m for him and he's not really kicked a ball so surely £30m is wishful thinking....
He is proven at this level. The year Leicester went down I thought we should have gone for him. He would be a good signing. If we go for him I would prefer a loan with an option to buy though. I think he's a good player.
He's far from proven at this level! He's had one proper season in the prem, made 31 appearances and scored 2 goals and assisted twice. For a player in his role that's really poor even if you factor in how poor Leicester were that year. Season before that he had 28 appearances and scored once and assisted twice again.
So apologies but it's not true he's proven himself!!!
Completely disagree. I saw him play a few times and he's more than good enough. I guess we just have a difference of opinion.
Disagree with what though? His stats show he isn't proven. Having said I actually rate him but it's daft to pretend a couple of games we've watched proves he's proven when his stats totally disagree with the eye test....and for £30m!? Having a laugh.
You're looking at goals and assists, why don't you look at Mousa Dembélé's stats - he was one of the best PL midfielders in his time. Dewsbury Hall's stats in the Championship were very impressive. Anyhow, stats don't necessarily tell the entire story. So yes, I disagree - having seen him play I think he is more than good enough.
I think you may of missed the point of what I was saying. I think he's good and could possibly play epl level. But he's not proven.
And no idea why you're asking me to look at stats of a defensive midfielder when Dewsbury Hall plays as an 8 or a floating 10 behind the striker....hes meant to be the creative lynchpin, which should be shown in his championship stats, 44 league games, 12 goals and 14 assists but he's never achieved anything close to that in the prem hence, not proven. Surely you can agree with that? That's not saying he can't or won't perform better next time, but he's just not got the numbers. And for what it's worth, if you look at his defensive stats and even passing range stats, he performed considerably lower than all our similar players, Smith Rowe, Pereria, Cairney. Hence, simply not proven.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 09:52:13 AMAnd no idea why you're asking me to look at stats of a defensive midfielder when Dewsbury Hall plays as an 8 or a floating 10 behind the striker....hes meant to be the creative lynchpin, which should be shown in his championship stats, 44 league games, 12 goals and 14 assists but he's never achieved anything close to that in the prem hence, not proven.
Mousa Dembele played as an "8" for the vast majority of his time. KDH is more of a defensive midfielder than he is. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he was a "defensive midfielder" from.
Quote from: Tabby on January 12, 2025, 10:22:47 AMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 09:52:13 AMAnd no idea why you're asking me to look at stats of a defensive midfielder when Dewsbury Hall plays as an 8 or a floating 10 behind the striker....hes meant to be the creative lynchpin, which should be shown in his championship stats, 44 league games, 12 goals and 14 assists but he's never achieved anything close to that in the prem hence, not proven.
Mousa Dembele played as an "8" for the vast majority of his time. KDH is more of a defensive midfielder than he is. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he was a "defensive midfielder" from.
Wait what!? We talking about the same Dembele who converted into a DM with us after failing as box to box midfielder/provider before going to Spurs playing also as a 6 the entire time and cementing what many call, as one of the best DM's? What madness am I reading!!!!
Dewsbury Hall is more of a defensive midfielder than Dembele is simply rubbish.
Maybe the rhetoric could be toned down a notch here, even if there is a disagreement. Let the arguments speak for themselves, is my suggestion.
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 12, 2025, 11:12:19 AMMaybe the rhetoric could be toned down a notch here, even if there is a disagreement. Let the arguments speak for themselves, is my suggestion.
It's fine. That's clearly aimed at me so I'll just bow out of the forum for a bit.
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 12, 2025, 11:12:19 AMMaybe the rhetoric could be toned down a notch here, even if there is a disagreement. Let the arguments speak for themselves, is my suggestion.
Personally I don't see the problem. It's a forum for discussion which in turn will lead to a difference of opinions and expressing them. No need for any toning down imo.
You may think Stings aiming his comment at you but I didn't read it that way.
No need to take a break. Some peoples view will always differ from yours. Frustrating I know, just the way life goes :)
Quote from: I Ronic on January 12, 2025, 11:45:56 AMYou may think Stings aiming his comment at you but I didn't read it that way.
No need to take a break. Some peoples view will always differ from yours. Frustrating I know, just the way life goes :)
I disagree :slap:
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 11:16:28 AMQuote from: Sting of the North on January 12, 2025, 11:12:19 AMMaybe the rhetoric could be toned down a notch here, even if there is a disagreement. Let the arguments speak for themselves, is my suggestion.
It's fine. That's clearly aimed at me so I'll just bow out of the forum for a bit.
Nah, don't do that mate. Stick about.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 11:16:28 AMQuote from: Sting of the North on January 12, 2025, 11:12:19 AMMaybe the rhetoric could be toned down a notch here, even if there is a disagreement. Let the arguments speak for themselves, is my suggestion.
It's fine. That's clearly aimed at me so I'll just bow out of the forum for a bit.
My post was not intended as a dig at anyone, just meant as a friendly reminder that we are all part of the same Fulham family. I really hope you stick around, as I value your input.
Quote from: Rightwhite on January 12, 2025, 11:29:57 AMQuote from: Sting of the North on January 12, 2025, 11:12:19 AMMaybe the rhetoric could be toned down a notch here, even if there is a disagreement. Let the arguments speak for themselves, is my suggestion.
Personally I don't see the problem. It's a forum for discussion which in turn will lead to a difference of opinions and expressing them. No need for any toning down imo.
And no one suggested that there is a problem with a difference of opinion. There can still be respect for the opinions of others though, however ludicrous one may find said opinions.
But that is just my opinion of course.
At least with these differences of opinion we are not having to read all these rubbish Brazilian rumours. :slap:
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 10:31:44 AMQuote from: Tabby on January 12, 2025, 10:22:47 AMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 09:52:13 AMAnd no idea why you're asking me to look at stats of a defensive midfielder when Dewsbury Hall plays as an 8 or a floating 10 behind the striker....hes meant to be the creative lynchpin, which should be shown in his championship stats, 44 league games, 12 goals and 14 assists but he's never achieved anything close to that in the prem hence, not proven.
Mousa Dembele played as an "8" for the vast majority of his time. KDH is more of a defensive midfielder than he is. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he was a "defensive midfielder" from.
Wait what!? We talking about the same Dembele who converted into a DM with us after failing as box to box midfielder/provider before going to Spurs playing also as a 6 the entire time and cementing what many call, as one of the best DM's? What madness am I reading!!!!
Dewsbury Hall is more of a defensive midfielder than Dembele is simply rubbish.
If I remember correctly, Dembele came as a right/left midfielder and that's how he started with us before converting into an attacking midfielder/central midfielder with lots of freedom to roam.
Not comparing him to Dewsbury-Hall, but he was never a defensive midfielder. Transfermarkt shows that one or two of Murphy, Etuhu and Sidwell played with him and it was usually one of them that had the more defensive role - as far as I remember, at least.
Quote from: sarnian on January 12, 2025, 02:23:03 PMAt least with these differences of opinion we are not having to read all these rubbish Brazilian rumours. :slap:
Lol
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on January 12, 2025, 12:45:01 PMQuote from: I Ronic on January 12, 2025, 11:45:56 AMYou may think Stings aiming his comment at you but I didn't read it that way.
No need to take a break. Some peoples view will always differ from yours. Frustrating I know, just the way life goes :)
I disagree :slap:
I disagree and blame Tony Khan
Quote from: Asotosyios on January 12, 2025, 02:24:17 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 10:31:44 AMQuote from: Tabby on January 12, 2025, 10:22:47 AMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 09:52:13 AMAnd no idea why you're asking me to look at stats of a defensive midfielder when Dewsbury Hall plays as an 8 or a floating 10 behind the striker....hes meant to be the creative lynchpin, which should be shown in his championship stats, 44 league games, 12 goals and 14 assists but he's never achieved anything close to that in the prem hence, not proven.
Mousa Dembele played as an "8" for the vast majority of his time. KDH is more of a defensive midfielder than he is. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he was a "defensive midfielder" from.
Wait what!? We talking about the same Dembele who converted into a DM with us after failing as box to box midfielder/provider before going to Spurs playing also as a 6 the entire time and cementing what many call, as one of the best DM's? What madness am I reading!!!!
Dewsbury Hall is more of a defensive midfielder than Dembele is simply rubbish.
If I remember correctly, Dembele came as a right/left midfielder and that's how he started with us before converting into an attacking midfielder/central midfielder with lots of freedom to roam.
Not comparing him to Dewsbury-Hall, but he was never a defensive midfielder. Transfermarkt shows that one or two of Murphy, Etuhu and Sidwell played with him and it was usually one of them that had the more defensive role - as far as I remember, at least.
That's correct. I looked through my archives and he scored against Port Vale in August 2010 as a RM, cutting inside with his left. Nasty downpour.
Quote from: Rightwhite on January 12, 2025, 02:29:35 PMQuote from: sarnian on January 12, 2025, 02:23:03 PMAt least with these differences of opinion we are not having to read all these rubbish Brazilian rumours. :slap:
Lol
Rumour Sarnian has had a Brazilian?
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 09:52:13 AMQuote from: LC on January 12, 2025, 02:06:24 AMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 07:54:00 PMQuote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 07:18:36 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 06:10:59 PMQuote from: LC on January 11, 2025, 03:03:08 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 11, 2025, 01:07:41 PMExtremely spurious links to Dewsbury Hall at £30m on social media.....can't say I'd be impressed with this. I don't dislike the player but he's not proven at this level, now 26, and Chelsea paid £35m for him and he's not really kicked a ball so surely £30m is wishful thinking....
He is proven at this level. The year Leicester went down I thought we should have gone for him. He would be a good signing. If we go for him I would prefer a loan with an option to buy though. I think he's a good player.
He's far from proven at this level! He's had one proper season in the prem, made 31 appearances and scored 2 goals and assisted twice. For a player in his role that's really poor even if you factor in how poor Leicester were that year. Season before that he had 28 appearances and scored once and assisted twice again.
So apologies but it's not true he's proven himself!!!
Completely disagree. I saw him play a few times and he's more than good enough. I guess we just have a difference of opinion.
Disagree with what though? His stats show he isn't proven. Having said I actually rate him but it's daft to pretend a couple of games we've watched proves he's proven when his stats totally disagree with the eye test....and for £30m!? Having a laugh.
You're looking at goals and assists, why don't you look at Mousa Dembélé's stats - he was one of the best PL midfielders in his time. Dewsbury Hall's stats in the Championship were very impressive. Anyhow, stats don't necessarily tell the entire story. So yes, I disagree - having seen him play I think he is more than good enough.
I think you may of missed the point of what I was saying. I think he's good and could possibly play epl level. But he's not proven.
And no idea why you're asking me to look at stats of a defensive midfielder when Dewsbury Hall plays as an 8 or a floating 10 behind the striker....hes meant to be the creative lynchpin, which should be shown in his championship stats, 44 league games, 12 goals and 14 assists but he's never achieved anything close to that in the prem hence, not proven. Surely you can agree with that? That's not saying he can't or won't perform better next time, but he's just not got the numbers. And for what it's worth, if you look at his defensive stats and even passing range stats, he performed considerably lower than all our similar players, Smith Rowe, Pereria, Cairney. Hence, simply not proven.
Dembele was a box to box midfielder for us, I watched him every single week. It was him and Murphy in a midfield two and Murphy no longer had the legs to play in the box to box role so Dembele drove forward with the ball. To be fair both him and Murphy took it in turns to go forward, but as the game went on it was Dembele who would move forward more and Murphy would play the deep play maker role. Now at Tottenham Dembele was more of a defensive midfielder. I suppose my point is you can play as a midfielder and not score or assist and still be a top player.
As for Dewsbury Hall he's a central midfielder. I'm basing this off of what I've seen of him and what I've found on whoscored. Last season he played 17 times as a central midfielder, 7 times as a defensive midfielder and 8 times as an attacking midfielder.
Quote from: Asotosyios on January 12, 2025, 02:24:17 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 10:31:44 AMQuote from: Tabby on January 12, 2025, 10:22:47 AMQuote from: FFC1987 on January 12, 2025, 09:52:13 AMAnd no idea why you're asking me to look at stats of a defensive midfielder when Dewsbury Hall plays as an 8 or a floating 10 behind the striker....hes meant to be the creative lynchpin, which should be shown in his championship stats, 44 league games, 12 goals and 14 assists but he's never achieved anything close to that in the prem hence, not proven.
Mousa Dembele played as an "8" for the vast majority of his time. KDH is more of a defensive midfielder than he is. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he was a "defensive midfielder" from.
Wait what!? We talking about the same Dembele who converted into a DM with us after failing as box to box midfielder/provider before going to Spurs playing also as a 6 the entire time and cementing what many call, as one of the best DM's? What madness am I reading!!!!
Dewsbury Hall is more of a defensive midfielder than Dembele is simply rubbish.
If I remember correctly, Dembele came as a right/left midfielder and that's how he started with us before converting into an attacking midfielder/central midfielder with lots of freedom to roam.
Not comparing him to Dewsbury-Hall, but he was never a defensive midfielder. Transfermarkt shows that one or two of Murphy, Etuhu and Sidwell played with him and it was usually one of them that had the more defensive role - as far as I remember, at least.
That's how I remember him playing for us - although I believe we signed him as a centre forward, then he moved onto the right and then I believe it was Martin Jol who moved him to central midfield and the rest is history.
Is this a transfer forum ? Then keep it as a transfer forum instead of tittle tattle comments. It's like the dress that comment when we don't win, not many sides have only lost 2 away games all season, and we should have got at least a point out of both of them
Quote from: iansthailand on January 12, 2025, 02:55:15 PMQuote from: Rightwhite on January 12, 2025, 02:29:35 PMQuote from: sarnian on January 12, 2025, 02:23:03 PMAt least with these differences of opinion we are not having to read all these rubbish Brazilian rumours. :slap:
Lol
Rumour Sarnian has had a Brazilian?
A few different nationalities but not had the pleasure of a Brazilian. ::bump::
Quote from: TB1973 on January 12, 2025, 08:27:10 PMIs this a transfer forum ? Then keep it as a transfer forum instead of tittle tattle comments. It's like the dress that comment when we don't win, not many sides have only lost 2 away games all season, and we should have got at least a point out of both of them
You'll have to remind me of the transfer we've done that we should all be discussing
Quote from: sarnian on January 12, 2025, 08:52:23 PMQuote from: iansthailand on January 12, 2025, 02:55:15 PMQuote from: Rightwhite on January 12, 2025, 02:29:35 PMQuote from: sarnian on January 12, 2025, 02:23:03 PMAt least with these differences of opinion we are not having to read all these rubbish Brazilian rumours. :slap:
Lol
Rumour Sarnian has had a Brazilian?
A few different nationalities but not had the pleasure of a Brazilian. ::bump::
Nor me but it was a close shave
Switching gears... Who is the current Championship player you would most like to eventually sign for Fulham? For me it's Ben Doak.
Quote from: McBrideOfFrankenstein on January 12, 2025, 09:42:59 PMSwitching gears... Who is the current Championship player you would most like to eventually sign for Fulham? For me it's Ben Doak.
There are quite a few I'd to have from the Championship
Chris Rigg(17) and Jobe Bellingham(19) - Sunderland - CMs that both can fill the 8 role really well.
Tom Fellows(21) - West Brom - Winger who creates a ton of chances
Morgan Whittaker(24) - Plymouth - RW who scores goals. Down year but I blame Rooney. Bonus points for knocking out Brentford
Luca Koleosho(20) - Burnley - LW that looked dangerous in the PL last season before injuries derailed his season
Hayden Hackney(22) - Boro - CM who plays as a deep lying playmaker and is good on the ball
As you mentioned, Ben Doak is also on the want list
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 12, 2025, 09:01:46 PMQuote from: TB1973 on January 12, 2025, 08:27:10 PMIs this a transfer forum ? Then keep it as a transfer forum instead of tittle tattle comments. It's like the dress that comment when we don't win, not many sides have only lost 2 away games all season, and we should have got at least a point out of both of them
You'll have to remind me of the transfer we've done that we should all be discussing
Haha - not done yet, but i think we are selling Robinson for 60 million and AP for 25 million and we are getting McAteer, Delap and Ferguson for about 50 million!
According to reports James McAtee is more likely to go to Bundesliga than stay in the PL, a lot of the biggest clubs there are tracking him.
Quote from: sunburywhite on January 12, 2025, 09:36:19 PMQuote from: sarnian on January 12, 2025, 08:52:23 PMQuote from: iansthailand on January 12, 2025, 02:55:15 PMQuote from: Rightwhite on January 12, 2025, 02:29:35 PMQuote from: sarnian on January 12, 2025, 02:23:03 PMAt least with these differences of opinion we are not having to read all these rubbish Brazilian rumours. :slap:
Lol
Rumour Sarnian has had a Brazilian?
A few different nationalities but not had the pleasure of a Brazilian. ::bump::
Nor me but it was a close shave
Not splitting hairs are we?
Quote from: McBrideOfFrankenstein on January 12, 2025, 09:42:59 PMSwitching gears... Who is the current Championship player you would most like to eventually sign for Fulham? For me it's Ben Doak.
Josh Brownhill, soon to be out of contract.
A goalscoring midfielder.
Listening to Marco's latest press conference it sounds like he just wants a right back and no bids have been received for AP
Quote from: btffc on January 13, 2025, 01:48:36 AMQuote from: McBrideOfFrankenstein on January 12, 2025, 09:42:59 PMSwitching gears... Who is the current Championship player you would most like to eventually sign for Fulham? For me it's Ben Doak.
There are quite a few I'd to have from the Championship
Chris Rigg(17) and Jobe Bellingham(19) - Sunderland - CMs that both can fill the 8 role really well.
Tom Fellows(21) - West Brom - Winger who creates a ton of chances
Morgan Whittaker(24) - Plymouth - RW who scores goals. Down year but I blame Rooney. Bonus points for knocking out Brentford
Luca Koleosho(20) - Burnley - LW that looked dangerous in the PL last season before injuries derailed his season
Hayden Hackney(22) - Boro - CM who plays as a deep lying playmaker and is good on the ball
As you mentioned, Ben Doak is also on the want list
Koleosho absolutely looked like he belonged at the start of last year. Good shout.
I just saw on skysports website that Palmeiras have confirmed their interest in Pereira. So I guess we'll see what happens next.
If we lose Andreas and bring in someone like Douglas Luiz that would be magnificent business - at least in my opinion anyway
Luka Jovic surplus to requirements at Milan with his contract also up in the summer - potentially a decent backup option for low outlay?
Quote from: LC on January 13, 2025, 07:36:14 PMI just saw on skysports website that Palmeiras have confirmed their interest in Pereira. So I guess we'll see what happens next.
If we lose Andreas and bring in someone like Douglas Luiz that would be magnificent business - at least in my opinion anyway
Palmeiras confirm their interest in Pereira, I confirm my interest in buying a Ford GT40 but that does not mean that either are actually for sale. Lots of people dream of what they can't get.
Quote from: sarnian on January 13, 2025, 08:55:44 PMQuote from: LC on January 13, 2025, 07:36:14 PMI just saw on skysports website that Palmeiras have confirmed their interest in Pereira. So I guess we'll see what happens next.
If we lose Andreas and bring in someone like Douglas Luiz that would be magnificent business - at least in my opinion anyway
Palmeiras confirm their interest in Pereira, I confirm my interest in buying a Ford GT40 but that does not mean that either are actually for sale. Lots of people dream of what they can't get.
Can't see Palmeiras being interested in a 55 year old Yank, even if he is only £3.5 mill
Quote from: LC on January 13, 2025, 07:36:14 PMI just saw on skysports website that Palmeiras have confirmed their interest in Pereira. So I guess we'll see what happens next.
If we lose Andreas and bring in someone like Douglas Luiz that would be magnificent business - at least in my opinion anyway
So it seems that there had been no official bid at the time Marco spoke with the club in their last meet. But seemingly that now Palmieras have confirmed they actively are interested they probably have put the feelers out with the players agent. One assumes a bid will indeed follow at some point but well see...
I guess well know come February the 1st. Agree that Luiz would be great but he's reportedly not interested in us or Forest.
Quote from: jayffc on January 13, 2025, 11:31:24 PMQuote from: LC on January 13, 2025, 07:36:14 PMI just saw on skysports website that Palmeiras have confirmed their interest in Pereira. So I guess we'll see what happens next.
If we lose Andreas and bring in someone like Douglas Luiz that would be magnificent business - at least in my opinion anyway
So it seems that there had been no official bid at the time Marco spoke with the club in their last meet. But seemingly that now Palmieras have confirmed they actively are interested they probably have put the feelers out with the players agent. One assumes a bid will indeed follow at some point but well see...
I guess well know come February the 1st. Agree that Luiz would be great but he's reportedly not interested in us or Forest.
Silva said there hadn't been an improved offer ("it's completely false that there was an increased offer").
So he effectively confirmed the £16m offer they made at the start of the window and widely reported.
I see man City have agreed a 35m euro fee to sign palmieras Vitor reis, could this start a triple deal with them signing pereira and Mcatee coming to us.
https://twitter.com/sebnonda/status/1879166872148758699
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 14, 2025, 02:42:53 PMhttps://twitter.com/sebnonda/status/1879166872148758699
27 year old 6'0" French utility player for Mainz in the Bundesliga.
Being deployed primarily as an RWB this season, LWB last season, and a CB in a back 3 the season before. He's basically a starter for Mainz and gets used wherever he's needed (including in CM from time to time).
I can't claim that I've ever really noticed him before, but he seems to be a pretty solid player who generally gets a 7/10 in every match wherever he plays.
Could be a decent option, both as competition to Diop in a back three, or as backup to both Robinson and/or Castagne.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 14, 2025, 02:42:53 PMhttps://twitter.com/sebnonda/status/1879166872148758699
I am a huge German football fan also(My ancestors come from Stuttgart so I watch VfB and run a fan club for them) and the times I have seen Caci, I think he would fit in nicely under Silva as a good depth piece for what should be relatively minor costs.
Would not be against this move at all and good he can play multiple positions.
Quote from: Sloth on January 14, 2025, 05:29:12 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 14, 2025, 02:42:53 PMhttps://twitter.com/sebnonda/status/1879166872148758699
I am a huge German football fan also(My ancestors come from Stuttgart so I watch VfB and run a fan club for them) and the times I have seen Caci, I think he would fit in nicely under Silva as a good depth piece for what should be relatively minor costs.
Would not be against this move at all and good he can play multiple positions.
What sort of fee do you think he'd command?
Quote from: St. Andrews White on January 14, 2025, 05:51:38 PMQuote from: Sloth on January 14, 2025, 05:29:12 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 14, 2025, 02:42:53 PMhttps://twitter.com/sebnonda/status/1879166872148758699
I am a huge German football fan also(My ancestors come from Stuttgart so I watch VfB and run a fan club for them) and the times I have seen Caci, I think he would fit in nicely under Silva as a good depth piece for what should be relatively minor costs.
Would not be against this move at all and good he can play multiple positions.
What sort of fee do you think he'd command?
I would say 5-6 million perhaps less just depending on how Mainze sees him in their plans. Right now they are in a European spot in the Bundesliga so might want more than what he is technically worth.
Quote from: LC on January 13, 2025, 07:36:14 PMI just saw on skysports website that Palmeiras have confirmed their interest in Pereira. So I guess we'll see what happens next.
If we lose Andreas and bring in someone like Douglas Luiz that would be magnificent business - at least in my opinion anyway
Silva confirmed angrily in last nights new conference that the whole story is false and no offers have been received. He was really angry when asked if Periera's mistake was down to him being distracted, he responded as above and questioned why wasn't the reporter asking the same about Leno's mistake.
Quote from: sarnian on January 15, 2025, 09:26:53 AMQuote from: LC on January 13, 2025, 07:36:14 PMI just saw on skysports website that Palmeiras have confirmed their interest in Pereira. So I guess we'll see what happens next.
If we lose Andreas and bring in someone like Douglas Luiz that would be magnificent business - at least in my opinion anyway
Silva confirmed angrily in last nights new conference that the whole story is false and no offers have been received. He was really angry when asked if Periera's mistake was down to him being distracted, he responded as above and questioned why wasn't the reporter asking the same about Leno's mistake.
He's obsessed with protecting pereira at all costs. I think that's fine up to a point but now he can't see the wood from the trees and his stubbornness to keep pereira in the 8 is costing us.
That fella Tim Vickery just said on The Wireless that Palmeiras want him as their playmaker and with them in this new club championship next summer. They have identified him as their top target and think playing for them will further his chances of being an national team regular as opposed to fringe type. They are quietly confident a deal can be struck?
West Ham willing to pay £30m for Muniz apparently
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 15, 2025, 03:58:24 PMWest Ham willing to pay £30m for Muniz apparently
I'll fly over and help him pack his bags for that! The hell with my liquor budget!
I'm mightily relaxed in this window as I've already stated in another thread that I believe we only need cover at right back,
BUT ! I will be mightily pi**ed off if we get a repeat of the Stansfield debacle in the last window when we lost a player with ten minutes of the window remaining open and not replacing them,
We can't lose any player without replacing them.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 15, 2025, 03:58:24 PMWest Ham willing to pay £30m for Muniz apparently
Journo saying it's a loan with obligation offer. I like the lad but that's good money (although don't his old club have a big sell in clause?)
I really don't see the logic on any level in letting Muniz go. On Loan or for 30 Million. Buying or loaning in another player of his quality would cost twice that. So hopefully just more bizarre speculation to fill in empty spaces.
Quote from: St. Andrews White on January 15, 2025, 06:50:27 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 15, 2025, 03:58:24 PMWest Ham willing to pay £30m for Muniz apparently
Journo saying it's a loan with obligation offer. I like the lad but that's good money (although don't his old club have a big sell in clause?)
I smell journo BS.
50 million for AP and Muniz would be great business, would set us up for better quality replacements for both, if the targets are already lined up.
Quote from: Rambler on January 15, 2025, 10:05:00 AMQuote from: sarnian on January 15, 2025, 09:26:53 AMQuote from: LC on January 13, 2025, 07:36:14 PMI just saw on skysports website that Palmeiras have confirmed their interest in Pereira. So I guess we'll see what happens next.
If we lose Andreas and bring in someone like Douglas Luiz that would be magnificent business - at least in my opinion anyway
Silva confirmed angrily in last nights new conference that the whole story is false and no offers have been received. He was really angry when asked if Periera's mistake was down to him being distracted, he responded as above and questioned why wasn't the reporter asking the same about Leno's mistake.
He's obsessed with protecting pereira at all costs. I think that's fine up to a point but now he can't see the wood from the trees and his stubbornness to keep pereira in the 8 is costing us.
Agreed, he has twice before acknowledged the Palmeiras stuff too and it's been reported by sources that frankly i trust more than Silva himself, so he's just looking a bit silly now if hes denying it completely. We know what Perreira said in the Portuguese language video interview, we know thats the real reason he was initially benched, we know he cant take a decent penalty, and we know there's been at least one offer from Palmeiras at the start of the window. Not sure where his obsession with the lad is coming from.
I wouldn't sell Muniz for a fee as low as that. Considering his age and potential, he'd have to break our record outgoing fee, in my opinion.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 15, 2025, 08:16:32 PMI wouldn't sell Muniz for a fee as low as that. Considering his age and potential, he'd have to break our record outgoing fee, in my opinion.
Could be tempted if we could get Ferguson from Brighton 3 years younger
Muniz is not good would absolutely be amazed if anyone was willing to pay £30m
Vitor Reis on his way to Manchester City from Palmeiras for £35 million,
Now we see how interested they are in signing Andreas Pereira.
Quote from: Sloth on January 15, 2025, 04:00:33 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 15, 2025, 03:58:24 PMWest Ham willing to pay £30m for Muniz apparently
I'll fly over and help him pack his bags for that! The hell with my liquor budget!
And if we sell him where does that leave us ? That just isn't happening this month without a replacement.
Quote from: SP on January 15, 2025, 06:55:34 PMQuote from: St. Andrews White on January 15, 2025, 06:50:27 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 15, 2025, 03:58:24 PMWest Ham willing to pay £30m for Muniz apparently
Journo saying it's a loan with obligation offer. I like the lad but that's good money (although don't his old club have a big sell in clause?)
I smell journo BS.
Dom Smith at ES has reported it and he cover us a lot, and always seemed reliable so think it probably has validity. Also Jacob Steinberg at the Guardian.
West Ham are desperate for a striker. I personally wouldn't sell Muniz, the lad has talent and shown he can score in PL.
If you think 30 million for Muniz is good business you must be nuts. We'll never get a better replacement for 30 million!
Mario Lemina has asked to leave Wolves, maybe a loan until the end of the season could be beneficial to us.
Paulinha on loan for the rest of the season would be great he isn't playing at Munich. Yes, I'm aware he just came back from injury but even prior to that it was Goretzka and Pavlovic. Can't see it happening but even Willian on a 6 month deal would be worth it.
Quote from: Thailand Mick on January 16, 2025, 05:27:03 AMMario Lemina has asked to leave Wolves, maybe a loan until the end of the season could be beneficial to us.
yes please, love the guy
Quote from: Super Mick on January 16, 2025, 01:44:06 AMIf you think 30 million for Muniz is good business you must be nuts. We'll never get a better replacement for 30 million!
We paid a fifth of that fee for Raul and he has more starts & goals since he arrived than Muniz. If it means the end of that god awful Muniz song it's worth it.
Lemina says the right things on socisl media but let's be honest, he was part of a woeful team for us, he's now refusing to play for Wolves whilst they're fighting for their lives, he's had character issues at other clubs too, he's no doubt on a massive wage, and is past his peak. Even on loan it would smack of a 2012 signing IMO, which is the opposite of what we need. We need to be thinking long-term.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 16, 2025, 09:51:30 AMLemina says the right things on socisl media but let's be honest, he was part of a woeful team for us, he's now refusing to play for Wolves whilst they're fighting for their lives, he's had character issues at other clubs too, he's no doubt on a massive wage, and is past his peak. Even on loan it would smack of a 2012 signing IMO, which is the opposite of what we need. We need to be thinking long-term.
The best time to buy long-term will be in the summer, yes he has had issues with other clubs but would be a surprise if that happened when he is looking for a new club.
I don't think Lemina would be a starter for us right now, but IMO he would be a super option in an area we probably need a touch more depth.
As for Muniz, I love the kid but I'm not entirely convinced his all round game is strong enough to lead our line. I'd genuinely be gutted to lose him, but £30m would be a decent bid and hard to ignore (£40m is probably the right price for Jan to a rival, though).
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 16, 2025, 10:50:41 AMI don't think Lemina would be a starter for us right now, but IMO he would be a super option in an area we probably need a touch more depth.
As for Muniz, I love the kid but I'm not entirely convinced his all round game is strong enough to lead our line. I'd genuinely be gutted to lose him, but £30m would be a decent bid and hard to ignore (£40m is probably the right price for Jan to a rival, though).
If it's a swap for reed in backup CM depth then I'd take it in terms of quality ,although I gather Harrison is a consumate professional so probably good person to have around the squad and doesn't seem to complain at all.
I would be extremely surprised if West Ham front up £30m for Muniz, having spent that on Fullkrug recently. More likely they sign Evan Ferguson on loan without a buying option.
Many people appreciate Rodrigo Muniz for his positive personality and youthful spirit as a footballer. I once heard someone mention, "You'd want him with you if you went to a bar." While it's wonderful that he's a good person, I regret to say that he falls short as a forward. I'm not in search of a cheerleader; I need a forward who can score and show aggression on the field, and unfortunately, Muniz doesn't fit that bill.
Quote from: Super Mick on January 16, 2025, 01:44:06 AMIf you think 30 million for Muniz is good business you must be nuts. We'll never get a better replacement for 30 million!
Sorry but Muniz just isn't worth £30m! He couldn't get into the Boro championship team season before last. OK, He had a purple scoring patch in a few games last season but at that fee I would snap your hand off.
Quote from: Jules on January 16, 2025, 01:14:49 PMQuote from: Super Mick on January 16, 2025, 01:44:06 AMIf you think 30 million for Muniz is good business you must be nuts. We'll never get a better replacement for 30 million!
Sorry but Muniz just isn't worth £30m! He couldn't get into the Boro championship team season before last. OK, He had a purple scoring patch in a few games last season but at that fee I would snap your hand off.
He couldn't get in Boro's team - but he's scored 12 PL goals since then, and some rather impressive ones at that too. The goal against Chelsea was quality, as was the recent FA Cup goal v Watford.
In today's market he probably is worth that I think considering he's also 23 and could keep improving.
Quote from: Jules on January 16, 2025, 01:14:49 PMQuote from: Super Mick on January 16, 2025, 01:44:06 AMIf you think 30 million for Muniz is good business you must be nuts. We'll never get a better replacement for 30 million!
Sorry but Muniz just isn't worth £30m! He couldn't get into the Boro championship team season before last. OK, He had a purple scoring patch in a few games last season but at that fee I would snap your hand off.
Was it not Chris Wilder who took him to Boro & played him then when Carrick took over, he changed the system & preferred Archer & Akpom who scored 39 goals between them. So not quite as you state it!!
Quote from: deadcowboys on January 16, 2025, 01:59:25 PMQuote from: Jules on January 16, 2025, 01:14:49 PMQuote from: Super Mick on January 16, 2025, 01:44:06 AMIf you think 30 million for Muniz is good business you must be nuts. We'll never get a better replacement for 30 million!
Sorry but Muniz just isn't worth £30m! He couldn't get into the Boro championship team season before last. OK, He had a purple scoring patch in a few games last season but at that fee I would snap your hand off.
Was it not Chris Wilder who took him to Boro & played him then when Carrick took over, he changed the system & preferred Archer & Akpom who scored 39 goals between them. So not quite as you state it!!
Right, I watched all his matches at Boro as well. With Wilder he was the target man, the hold-up 9, and scored some solid goals and was always on the end of crosses. He did not fit Carrick's system at all, especially with Akpom reaching the heights he did and Archer being a great signing in the winter if I'm not mistaken.
Is it true that Muniz is only on 7.5K per week with us?
Any FFP experts know the significance of us selling? I know we probably don't have to sell for that reason but you'd imagine it would be a decent profit to allow for incomings?
I can't decide on whether that rumoured Loan + £30M obligation to buy is a good deal or not. You could definitely see him improving a lot and has the traits to be a really solid prem striker, but he hasn't really shown enough consistency for me.
As always I would trust Silva's judgement on these decisions. As long as we don't lose the gaffer any time soon he has my blessing to make any player decisions.
Maybe my vision is waning as I have gotten older haha, but I am not seeing the value of Muniz as much as some posters on here are. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but he is not a player that fills me with confidence by any stretch and if the 30m fee is true, we should take it no doubt.
Can get a better replacement for a portion of the cost.
Diakite at Reims for instance would fit in nicely here and cost a fair bit less imo.
Seems premptive to get rid of Muniz. In two seasons he has scored 12 goals across just over 2000 minutes. When you divide that down thats a goal every 166 minutes or 12 goals in 22 full games. I bet if you looked at it from when he scored his first prem goal you would see he scores on average around a goal every 90 mins.
Let's compare that to Ferguson who Ive seen people suggest: 1 goal this season in 220 minutes. A goal every 192 minutes in the prem. Muniz also out scores him in his best season 9 vs 6.
If anything Id be extending Muniz and looking at how we replace Jimenez within the next 6-18 months rather than potentially losing both.
https://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1879916413965799801
Quote from: Chi_FFC on January 16, 2025, 03:46:27 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1879916413965799801
In my view, it's a mistake. We should be open to all discussions and consider everything; no player should be excluded from the market.
Quote from: LPNCanadian on January 16, 2025, 03:58:24 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on January 16, 2025, 03:46:27 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1879916413965799801
In my view, it's a mistake. We should be open to all discussions and consider everything; no player should be excluded from the market.
Don't agree. Everyone has a price, of course, but if Marco Silva has a plan that includes that player then I have no issue with them point-blank rejecting an offer - especially from a rival in a position they clearly need.
People quote figures for fees and wages as if they are close to being accurate. Then base an opinion on those. We spend all season moaning about our lack of forwards and then claim to be happy if a Brighton reserve can be brought in IN PLACE of Muniz. This is just to me utter madness. But football and gossip is about opinions so fair enough.
But I am pleased that this silly rumour has been allegedly put to bed my our coach. Bringing the Brighton reserve in would be I guess ok but not in place of Muniz.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on January 16, 2025, 04:00:27 PMQuote from: LPNCanadian on January 16, 2025, 03:58:24 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on January 16, 2025, 03:46:27 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1879916413965799801
In my view, it's a mistake. We should be open to all discussions and consider everything; no player should be excluded from the market.
Don't agree. Everyone has a price, of course, but if Marco Silva has a plan that includes that player then I have no issue with them point-blank rejecting an offer - especially from a rival in a position they clearly need.
Marco also said Joao was going no where last summer.
In my view, it's a mistake. We should be open to all discussions and consider everything; no player should be excluded from the market.
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Don't agree. Everyone has a price, of course, but if Marco Silva has a plan that includes that player then I have no issue with them point-blank rejecting an offer - especially from a rival in a position they clearly need.
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Fair enough, I think we are a solid 10-12 team range if we maintain our current position. However, we really need to be proactive and assertive in the market, which can be quite challenging, especially in January. Mediocrity shouldn't be an option; I understand it's easy to sit back and critique from the sidelines, but I don't want to hear anyone say, "We're doing fine, everything's fine, the players are fine," because that's not the path to success.
Why would you want to sell him to West Ham of all the S**t clubs,
Apparently Willian being offered out to Everton after cutting short spell at Olympiacos - weird decision making from him last two summers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/01/16/willian-everton-transfer-news-david-moyes/
Quote from: hopper on January 16, 2025, 05:16:32 PMApparently Willian being offered out to Everton after cutting short spell at Olympiacos - weird decision making from him last two summers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/01/16/willian-everton-transfer-news-david-moyes/
I'm guessing we've already told him 'no' then, as it'd be weird for him to approach a rubbish team with a defensive manager in a city where he's never lived without first checking if the opposite of those things is an option.
Regardless, I think we've moved on and that's for the best. He wasn't great in his last season for us, and he's now a year older and Iwobi is our basically best player and occupies his position.
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 16, 2025, 06:27:05 PMQuote from: hopper on January 16, 2025, 05:16:32 PMApparently Willian being offered out to Everton after cutting short spell at Olympiacos - weird decision making from him last two summers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/01/16/willian-everton-transfer-news-david-moyes/
I'm guessing we've already told him 'no' then, as it'd be weird for him to approach a rubbish team with a defensive manager in a city where he's never lived without first checking if the opposite of those things is an option.
Regardless, I think we've moved on and that's for the best. He wasn't great in his last season for us, and he's now a year older and Iwobi is our basically best player and occupies his position.
Agreed. And MS has clearly stated that we have other players for his position. Thanks and good luck Willian.
Quote from: Hugh Janus on January 16, 2025, 04:05:35 PMQuote from: Marcel_Gecov on January 16, 2025, 04:00:27 PMQuote from: LPNCanadian on January 16, 2025, 03:58:24 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on January 16, 2025, 03:46:27 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1879916413965799801
In my view, it's a mistake. We should be open to all discussions and consider everything; no player should be excluded from the market.
Don't agree. Everyone has a price, of course, but if Marco Silva has a plan that includes that player then I have no issue with them point-blank rejecting an offer - especially from a rival in a position they clearly need.
Marco also said Joao was going no where last summer.
Did he? I don't recall that at all.
One thing you can say about Silva is he is not going to want to bring players in just for the sake of it. If we cannot bring in the exact traits he wants this window at a good price for us, then personally I think we will just roll with what we currently have and I trust MS to continue to get the best out of them if that ends up being the case.
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 16, 2025, 04:02:40 PMPeople quote figures for fees and wages as if they are close to being accurate. Then base an opinion on those. We spend all season moaning about our lack of forwards and then claim to be happy if a Brighton reserve can be brought in IN PLACE of Muniz. This is just to me utter madness. But football and gossip is about opinions so fair enough.
But I am pleased that this silly rumour has been allegedly put to bed my our coach. Bringing the Brighton reserve in would be I guess ok but not in place of Muniz.
Best post I've read on here for weeks, fully agree
Quote from: LPNCanadian on January 16, 2025, 12:53:44 PMMany people appreciate Rodrigo Muniz for his positive personality and youthful spirit as a footballer. I once heard someone mention, "You'd want him with you if you went to a bar." While it's wonderful that he's a good person, I regret to say that he falls short as a forward. I'm not in search of a cheerleader; I need a forward who can score and show aggression on the field, and unfortunately, Muniz doesn't fit that bill.
But he does score? His strike rate is actually pretty good for us these last two seasons.
There is no way West Ham are paying that for him.
It's Sullivan doing his usual "we tried to get him but couldn't" bullsh!t that the moron Stadium Thieves fall for every single transfer window.
I think we've probably moved on from uncle Willy.But I think he would've been great to have in the home matches against the likes of Soton Ipswich & Boscombe a little bit of quality to unlock Defences.
We don't do signings in this window,not significant ones.Better value in the summer.
Marcos words.
Quote from: hovewhite on January 17, 2025, 09:13:55 AMWe don't do signings in this window,not significant ones.Better value in the summer.
Marcos words.
Andersen + Smith-Rowe = £65 million
Thats much better value 😄🤣
Quote from: C Block on January 17, 2025, 09:19:36 AMQuote from: hovewhite on January 17, 2025, 09:13:55 AMWe don't do signings in this window,not significant ones.Better value in the summer.
Marcos words.
Andersen + Smith-Rowe = £65 million
Thats much better value 😄🤣
Put a little bit of perspective, please. They both had injuries which put them out of form currently, at the start of the season they looked like a top signings, so be patient.
Anything in the Paul Pogba story? :guitar-playHDs:
Andreas has teased everyone with that instagram comment.. ::wine::
Quote from: Sammyffc on January 17, 2025, 02:15:51 PMAnything in the Paul Pogba story? :guitar-playHDs:
Andreas has teased everyone with that instagram comment.. ::wine::
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I really hope not. Last thing we need is that petulant toddler.
Quote from: C Block on January 17, 2025, 09:19:36 AMQuote from: hovewhite on January 17, 2025, 09:13:55 AMWe don't do signings in this window,not significant ones.Better value in the summer.
Marcos words.
Andersen + Smith-Rowe = £65 million
Thats much better value 😄🤣
Bit early to be writing them off as bad signings no?
I'd rather dig up the corpse of my Uncle who only had one leg, re-animate his corpse, and throw his ass out there in midfield than have anyone like Pogba grace the confines of Craven Cottage as one of our players.
Quote from: Sloth on January 17, 2025, 03:28:40 PMI'd rather dig up the corpse of my Uncle who only had one leg, re-animate his corpse, and throw his ass out there in midfield than have anyone like Pogba grace the confines of Craven Cottage as one of our players.
So you don't feel strongly about it then? Lol
On the right terms, Pogba is a no-brainier.
He seems hungry to come back and prove himself, and if the salary/contract is sensible, he could be amazing for us.
If he wants a cash grab, he'll go to Saudi.
More than anything, I feel bad for the guy. He got slated at Utd, as everyone does, but he seems to have been a kid who's been exploited by everyone around him. Wherever he ends up, I wish him the best.
No Pogba, Lemina or any other 2012-style stopgap/old/overpaid/has been/mercenary signings please. Even if they add quality, they leave a gap in the team in 6-12 months time when their short-term deal ends and they pi$$ off to a Saudi retirement home with no upside/sell-on value, and we just spend every window and every pound of our budget replacing them just to tread water.
We need to start buying players young, keeping them for 5-10 years, then selling them just at their peak/downturn aged around 28/29 like we did with Palhinha and Mitrovic and might with Perreira and Robinson.
I don't believe the Pogba story, he's so high profile - I just can't imagine it.
If Silva thinks it would be a good idea then yes, he would have the potential to elevate our team significantly. Naturally one of the most gifted footballers I've ever seen, physical too - he was unplayable at the Cottage in the Slav season. Albeit not a good Fulham team.
Understand all the reasons people would be concerned however.
I cannot see Marco wanting Pogba and the baggage he brings
Not sure if anyone's seen this:
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/ryan-sessegnon.1647806/page-16
Quote from: _Putney_ on January 17, 2025, 05:42:48 PMNot sure if anyone's seen this:
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/ryan-sessegnon.1647806/page-16
What are we meant to be looking at please ?
Quote from: C Block on January 17, 2025, 05:46:30 PMQuote from: _Putney_ on January 17, 2025, 05:42:48 PMNot sure if anyone's seen this:
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/ryan-sessegnon.1647806/page-16
What are we meant to be looking at please ?
think its about Sess going n loan to Sunderland, but then later on there a post by Romana saying Fulham say he isn't going on loan
Quote from: hopper on January 17, 2025, 04:01:10 PMI don't believe the Pogba story, he's so high profile - I just can't imagine it.
If Silva thinks it would be a good idea then yes, he would have the potential to elevate our team significantly. Naturally one of the most gifted footballers I've ever seen, physical too - he was unplayable at the Cottage in the Slav season. Albeit not a good Fulham team.
Understand all the reasons people would be concerned however.
Hasnt Pogba got a drugs ban?
Quote from: Nero on January 17, 2025, 07:13:58 PMQuote from: hopper on January 17, 2025, 04:01:10 PMI don't believe the Pogba story, he's so high profile - I just can't imagine it.
If Silva thinks it would be a good idea then yes, he would have the potential to elevate our team significantly. Naturally one of the most gifted footballers I've ever seen, physical too - he was unplayable at the Cottage in the Slav season. Albeit not a good Fulham team.
Understand all the reasons people would be concerned however.
Hasnt Pogba got a drugs ban?
He's free to play from March so he's a free agent.
I wouldnt turn down Pogba remotely. 32 come March but IF it worked out and he managed to come here motivated and find form quickly - it's the sort of signing that could assist in putting us into European contention IMO.
in which case short term or not it serves a purpose to a wider picture that will help our recruitment in coming windows especially given there's no transfer fee involved.
Much like Willian wasn't a long term solution when we first signed him and many wrote him off because of his age - only for him to play a massive part in us staying up comfortably - which in turned allowed us to buy better players, which in turn has us so far sitting above where we finished last year and competing well in 95% of our games. It also gives us scope to make money on AP and reinvest it in someone younger in the summer if we want to, and/or wait for King to further grow into the player we're hoping he could be (although admittedly he's been playing much more in attacking positions than at CM since moving into the men's team)
Quote from: jayffc on January 17, 2025, 09:16:58 PMI wouldnt turn down Pogba remotely. 32 come March but IF it worked it and he managed to come here motivated and find form quickly - it's the sort of signing that could assist in putting us into European contention IMO in which case short term or not it serves a purpose to a wider picture that will help our recruitment in coming windows especially given there's no transfer fee involved. Much like Willian wasn't a long term solution when we first signed him and many wrote him off because of his age - only for him to play a massive part in us staying up comfortably - which in turned allowed us to buy better players, which in turn has us so far sitting above where we finished last year and competing well in 95% of our games. It also gives us scope to make money on AP and reinvest it in someone younger in the summer if we want to. And/Or while we wait for King to further grow into the player we're hoping he could be (although admittedly he's been playing much more in attacking positions than at CM since moving into the men's team)
Blimey, looks like Mick typed that!
I'd take Pogba on a 6 month deal with a club option for another year with reasonable wages. If he turns out to be anywhere near the level he was when France won the World Cup and if he isn't causing any problems behind the scenes, use the club option for the additional year. If not say goodbye after 6 months, no harm, no foul.
Looks like we have decided to stand still and not progress 👎
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 17, 2025, 03:56:32 PMNo Pogba, Lemina or any other 2012-style stopgap/old/overpaid/has been/mercenary signings please. Even if they add quality, they leave a gap in the team in 6-12 months time when their short-term deal ends and they pi$$ off to a Saudi retirement home with no upside/sell-on value, and we just spend every window and every pound of our budget replacing them just to tread water.
We need to start buying players young, keeping them for 5-10 years, then selling them just at their peak/downturn aged around 28/29 like we did with Palhinha and Mitrovic and might with Perreira and Robinson.
Has been Willian did ok for us but i basically agree about buying younger Bees and Seagulls have done ok using this policy.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 17, 2025, 09:25:53 PMQuote from: jayffc on January 17, 2025, 09:16:58 PMI wouldnt turn down Pogba remotely. 32 come March but IF it worked it and he managed to come here motivated and find form quickly - it's the sort of signing that could assist in putting us into European contention IMO in which case short term or not it serves a purpose to a wider picture that will help our recruitment in coming windows especially given there's no transfer fee involved. Much like Willian wasn't a long term solution when we first signed him and many wrote him off because of his age - only for him to play a massive part in us staying up comfortably - which in turned allowed us to buy better players, which in turn has us so far sitting above where we finished last year and competing well in 95% of our games. It also gives us scope to make money on AP and reinvest it in someone younger in the summer if we want to. And/Or while we wait for King to further grow into the player we're hoping he could be (although admittedly he's been playing much more in attacking positions than at CM since moving into the men's team)
Blimey, looks like Mick typed that!
edited 😂. Not sure what happened there full meltdown 😂
Quote from: iansthailand on January 18, 2025, 01:38:36 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 17, 2025, 03:56:32 PMNo Pogba, Lemina or any other 2012-style stopgap/old/overpaid/has been/mercenary signings please. Even if they add quality, they leave a gap in the team in 6-12 months time when their short-term deal ends and they pi$$ off to a Saudi retirement home with no upside/sell-on value, and we just spend every window and every pound of our budget replacing them just to tread water.
We need to start buying players young, keeping them for 5-10 years, then selling them just at their peak/downturn aged around 28/29 like we did with Palhinha and Mitrovic and might with Perreira and Robinson.
Has been Willian did ok for us but i basically agree about buying younger Bees and Seagulls have done ok using this policy.
I don't necessarily disagree with Angus, but sometimes "has been" in a short term deal can provide good value like Willian did, at least for 1,5 years. Brentford and Brighton do the same thing every now and then - Eriksen, Lallana and Milner some examples. Obviously, that should be the exception rather than the rule.
I mean, I'm not totally against it, and certainly the Willian signing was OK when we were newly promoted with limited resources and an urgent need to upgrade across the whole team, but it left us in the situation later (last summer) where we had to pull a major coup and spend £35m to replace him with ESR, just to maintain the same quality level. Similarly with Ream, and this summer we'll again need a couple of major signings (£50m?) just to replace Raul and Cairney with younger players of comparable quality. In the next 3-4 years we already have several more who'll pass their use-by date (lots of 28-29 year olds in our current team).
IMO we should just be cautious about bringing in more players who'll definitely need replacing in that timeframe (with no resale value we can use) because it further stretches the turnover and limited resources we'll have in those windows.
Wow, this thread is not even on the first page!
Any other season the lack or rumours would have send this forum crazy.... Shows you have far we have come.
This mick wouldn't entertain pogba he would throw his toys out his pram when things went wrong also he would not fit in with our squad love in.Too selfish.
Douglas Luiz now being linked to go back to either Man City or Villa? Moves us further down the pecking order if true?
Quote from: MickTheBeard on January 20, 2025, 02:24:04 AMThis mick wouldn't entertain pogba he would throw his toys out his pram when things went wrong also he would not fit in with our squad love in.Too selfish.
I'm torn because he is so gifted. But it brings back David Moyes' philosophy at West Ham 'no d*ckheads' allowed. Besides which he won't be match fit to contribute anything this season
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 20, 2025, 08:43:17 AMDouglas Luiz now being linked to go back to either Man City or Villa? Moves us further down the pecking order if true?
Didn't he already turn us down?
If we are going to do anything in the market my top choices would be Mcatee and Ferguson.
We look to have a fantastic dressing room one signing like a Pogba and you never know.
Pogba hasnt played for 18 months
It will take him a couple of months to get upto speed
Quote from: sunburywhite on January 20, 2025, 02:34:42 PMPogba hasnt played for 18 months
It will take him a couple of months to get upto speed
Pogba has been training with us for a number of weeks now, it is unknowing if he is training with us just to get fit, or whether it's because of a potential move.
Either way, he can't even play until March anyway because of his ban, so you'd only get a good couple of months out of him.
I'm not an ITK by the way, I was just given some valid information by a very trusted source, and I'm not sure if he's training with the actual 1st team, some development squad, or on his own.
Quote from: St Eve on January 20, 2025, 02:10:01 PMIf we are going to do anything in the market my top choices would be Mcatee and Ferguson.
Ferguson is injured again, so may now be unavailable/undesirable for transfer at this time.
McAttee has been getting game time for City and is scoring, so I think he may be unavailable too sadly...
I like the look of James Justin his crossing is good has a great Engine and isn't shy in the tackle. Worth putting in a bid I can't see Tete playing for us again unfortunately.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 20, 2025, 03:23:45 PMI like the look of James Justin his crossing is good has a great Engine and isn't shy in the tackle. Worth putting in a bid I can't see Tete playing for us again unfortunately.
Really? I thought he was terrible defensively all game and was one of the main reasons we scored both goals too.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 20, 2025, 03:25:18 PMQuote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 20, 2025, 03:23:45 PMI like the look of James Justin his crossing is good has a great Engine and isn't shy in the tackle. Worth putting in a bid I can't see Tete playing for us again unfortunately.
Really? I thought he was terrible defensively all game and was one of the main reasons we scored both goals too.
Not sure I would put much blame to him for Traore goal? Bit harsh being his a right back? We have conceded a couple like that this season where the bloke on the far post is given far too much time and space. I agree he switched off for ESR goal.
Going back to James I don't think it's a bad call. Was seen as aggressive type right back then had that nasty injury which saw him miss a lot of football. Not sure we get him this month but playing for perhaps a more consistent team and dare I say it better defence could be what he requires.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 20, 2025, 03:23:45 PMI like the look of James Justin his crossing is good has a great Engine and isn't shy in the tackle. Worth putting in a bid I can't see Tete playing for us again unfortunately.
When fit Tete is one of the best full backs in the league. If he doesn't sign a new deal, then I would go for Takehiro Tomiyasu from Arsenal which I think would be an absolutely fantastic signing.
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 20, 2025, 03:42:45 PMNot sure I would put much blame to him for Traore goal? Bit harsh being his a right back? We have conceded a couple like that this season where the bloke on the far post is given far too much time and space. I agree he switched off for ESR goal.
Going back to James I don't think it's a bad call. Was seen as aggressive type right back then had that nasty injury which saw him miss a lot of football. Not sure we get him this month but playing for perhaps a more consistent team and dare I say it better defence could be what he requires.
He gave Wilson acres of space and then didn't evem try to block the cross. It's not his fault Traore was left all alone in the box, but he should have done a lot better when it comes to defending Wilson.
Quote from: sunburywhite on January 20, 2025, 02:34:42 PMPogba hasnt played for 18 months
It will take him a couple of months to get upto speed
Should be ready and raring to go by April 1st.
https://twitter.com/dimarzio/status/1881409412503634159
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 20, 2025, 03:23:45 PMI like the look of James Justin his crossing is good has a great Engine and isn't shy in the tackle. Worth putting in a bid I can't see Tete playing for us again unfortunately.
James is a great engine but Gordon always pulls the Express and Thomas has to shunt the carriages and trucks
Quote from: MickTheBeard on January 20, 2025, 02:24:04 AMThis mick wouldn't entertain pogba he would throw his toys out his pram when things went wrong also he would not fit in with our squad love in.Too selfish.
On this occasion Mick I am totally with you.
Quote from: iansthailand on January 18, 2025, 01:38:36 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 17, 2025, 03:56:32 PMNo Pogba, Lemina or any other 2012-style stopgap/old/overpaid/has been/mercenary signings please. Even if they add quality, they leave a gap in the team in 6-12 months time when their short-term deal ends and they pi$$ off to a Saudi retirement home with no upside/sell-on value, and we just spend every window and every pound of our budget replacing them just to tread water.
We need to start buying players young, keeping them for 5-10 years, then selling them just at their peak/downturn aged around 28/29 like we did with Palhinha and Mitrovic and might with Perreira and Robinson.
Has been Willian did ok for us but i basically agree about buying younger Bees and Seagulls have done ok using this policy.
With respect Brighton have taken Milner and Lallana in recent years whilst Brentford signed a returning Erikson fatre his heart attack... they arent beyond a plus-30s veteran either.
Although, on this occasion Im not excited by the Pogba signing.
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on January 20, 2025, 02:54:27 PMQuote from: sunburywhite on January 20, 2025, 02:34:42 PMPogba hasnt played for 18 months
It will take him a couple of months to get upto speed
Pogba has been training with us for a number of weeks now, it is unknowing if he is training with us just to get fit, or whether it's because of a potential move.
Either way, he can't even play until March anyway because of his ban, so you'd only get a good couple of months out of him.
I'm not an ITK by the way, I was just given some valid information by a very trusted source, and I'm not sure if he's training with the actual 1st team, some development squad, or on his own.
IF true then I'd be surprised it wasn't leaked already for one but two, at least we'd clearly have a chance to get to know him and see how he is working and get a sense of his character. Remember the man is 32 now. We all mature alot between out only 20s and our 30s
Quote from: jayffc on January 20, 2025, 07:42:49 PMWe all mature alot between our only 20s and our 30s
Not all. I just went from callow to rancid in my mid 70s.
Mario looks finished at Wolves lets get him back to the Cottage he's versatility would be fantastic in this team.
Quote from: AJW48361 on January 20, 2025, 07:58:24 PMMario looks finished at Wolves lets get him back to the Cottage he's versatility would be fantastic in this team.
Don't want a player who gives up on his team in the middle of a relegation fight - and the captain at that
He didn't give up on Fulham when we got Relegated.
Quote from: AJW48361 on January 20, 2025, 09:32:29 PMHe didn't give up on Fulham when we got Relegated.
Well he didn't want to take a pay cut and play for us in the Championship, that's for sure
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 20, 2025, 09:48:19 PMQuote from: AJW48361 on January 20, 2025, 09:32:29 PMHe didn't give up on Fulham when we got Relegated.
Well he didn't want to take a pay cut and play for us in the Championship, that's for sure
Yep
Lemina would be a good signing no doubt. Has been one of Wolves best players for the last two seasons now and was good for us too. People above are speculating saying he has 'turned his back on Wolves' - no one knows what's going on behind the scenes but I know he is a good player.
I can't believe we could get Pogba but if we could that would be an insane signing, his performance against us when they beat us 3-0 in 2019 was one of the best I had seen from a CM and for years now he has looked one of the best players in the world when playing for France. I can't see it personally but if you say you wouldn't have him that is mental as I think he would still standout for any team in this league on his day.
Actually think Emerson Royal would be a good signing too, I rate Castagne but I would love a more attack minded right back similar to Robinson and I think Emerson would offer that extra dimension going forward. He has started every game for Milan this season when fit though so not sure he would come to us.
Quote from: @jolslover on January 20, 2025, 10:22:06 PMLemina would be a good signing no doubt. Has been one of Wolves best players for the last two seasons now and was good for us too. People above are speculating saying he has 'turned his back on Wolves' - no one knows what's going on behind the scenes but I know he is a good player.
I can't believe we could get Pogba but if we could that would be an insane signing, his performance against us when they beat us 3-0 in 2019 was one of the best I had seen from a CM and for years now he has looked one of the best players in the world when playing for France. I can't see it personally but if you say you wouldn't have him that is mental as I think he would still standout for any team in this league on his day.
Actually think Emerson Royal would be a good signing too, I rate Castagne but I would love a more attack minded right back similar to Robinson and I think Emerson would offer that extra dimension going forward. He has started every game for Milan this season when fit though so not sure he would come to us.
Yeh it's a big and surprising link not sure the credibility of the source. As the end of Tetes contract comes closer though I do wonder if this is the last of king Kenny at the cottage. My favourite ever Fulham RB but if he wants a change then what can ya do really. Top player though. I suspect if either of our RBs are to be replaced with this transfer, ATM, purely due to the contract situation it looks like it would be Kenny that's replaced
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 20, 2025, 09:48:19 PMQuote from: AJW48361 on January 20, 2025, 09:32:29 PMHe didn't give up on Fulham when we got Relegated.
Well he didn't want to take a pay cut and play for us in the Championship, that's for sure
Tbf he was a loan player. We probably couldn't have bought him in the Championship without destroying our budget structure.
As for his Wolves antics, something's not right there... Many weird things like those two fights that happened in two consecutive matches, the players, who looked like they loved playing for GON at the beginning of the tenure, completely downing tools in a lot of matches, etc. It seems from the outside looking in like something is rotten at that club at the moment.
Wheter I'd try and get Lemina, I don't know... Head says no, heart says yes is probably the best way to put it.
Quote from: jayffc on January 20, 2025, 07:42:49 PMQuote from: Jimsbeerbelly on January 20, 2025, 02:54:27 PMQuote from: sunburywhite on January 20, 2025, 02:34:42 PMPogba hasnt played for 18 months
It will take him a couple of months to get upto speed
Pogba has been training with us for a number of weeks now, it is unknowing if he is training with us just to get fit, or whether it's because of a potential move.
Either way, he can't even play until March anyway because of his ban, so you'd only get a good couple of months out of him.
I'm not an ITK by the way, I was just given some valid information by a very trusted source, and I'm not sure if he's training with the actual 1st team, some development squad, or on his own.
IF true then I'd be surprised it wasn't leaked already for one but two, at least we'd clearly have a chance to get to know him and see how he is working and get a sense of his character. Remember the man is 32 now. We all mature alot between out only 20s and our 30s
Randomly, and it doesn't necessarily mean anything of substance, but Pereira legitimately tagged Pogba in a post when Sky Sports posted on instagram, 'which player should your club sign in January'...
You have to scroll down a bit in the comments section, but it was from 4-5 days ago here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DE5fQ-gNNU2/?hl=en
Given the both played at Utd together, and Pogba is in need of rebuilding his career after a long time out, as well as a rumour that Pogba is training at Motspur Park (seems far-fetched and hadn't heard before), then perhaps it's an option we're looking into...
When Berge was out injured, we started to struggle for options in the middle of the pitch. Pogba needs game time.. though, perhaps he's a disruptive influence?
On his day though he's world class - could he be another Willian/Murphy character? If Marco turned him into a focused/passionate and motivated player who put himself about a bit more, then Pogba would do incredibly - potentially, with us. He is 31 though, but could easily squeeze another 2-3 years in at least if he's looked after himself.
Would need to take a pay cut though. Would be a coup and a great signal of intent in many ways (if he performs) for the club. Obviously there's some reputational stuff to navigate, but in general he's a World Cup Winner and top player, or at least has been until he had to take some time off.
A free agent currently it wont necessarily happen in Jan and could take some time for him to rebuild his fitness etc.. though I imagine that's a 'thing' which will happen if given privacy and time to do it under Marco and with our current squad.
Quote from: General on January 21, 2025, 12:36:07 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 20, 2025, 07:42:49 PMQuote from: Jimsbeerbelly on January 20, 2025, 02:54:27 PMQuote from: sunburywhite on January 20, 2025, 02:34:42 PMPogba hasnt played for 18 months
It will take him a couple of months to get upto speed
Pogba has been training with us for a number of weeks now, it is unknowing if he is training with us just to get fit, or whether it's because of a potential move.
Either way, he can't even play until March anyway because of his ban, so you'd only get a good couple of months out of him.
I'm not an ITK by the way, I was just given some valid information by a very trusted source, and I'm not sure if he's training with the actual 1st team, some development squad, or on his own.
IF true then I'd be surprised it wasn't leaked already for one but two, at least we'd clearly have a chance to get to know him and see how he is working and get a sense of his character. Remember the man is 32 now. We all mature alot between out only 20s and our 30s
Randomly, and it doesn't necessarily mean anything of substance, but Pereira legitimately tagged Pogba in a post when Sky Sports posted on instagram, 'which player should your club sign in January'...
You have to scroll down a bit in the comments section, but it was from 4-5 days ago here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DE5fQ-gNNU2/?hl=en
Given the both played at Utd together, and Pogba is in need of rebuilding his career after a long time out, as well as a rumour that Pogba is training at Motspur Park (seems far-fetched and hadn't heard before), then perhaps it's an option we're looking into...
When Berge was out injured, we started to struggle for options in the middle of the pitch. Pogba needs game time.. though, perhaps he's a disruptive influence?
On his day though he's world class - could he be another Willian/Murphy character? If Marco turned him into a focused/passionate and motivated player who put himself about a bit more, then Pogba would do incredibly - potentially, with us. He is 31 though, but could easily squeeze another 2-3 years in at least if he's looked after himself.
Would need to take a pay cut though. Would be a coup and a great signal of intent in many ways (if he performs) for the club. Obviously there's some reputational stuff to navigate, but in general he's a World Cup Winner and top player, or at least has been until he had to take some time off.
A free agent currently it wont necessarily happen in Jan and could take some time for him to rebuild his fitness etc.. though I imagine that's a 'thing' which will happen if given privacy and time to do it under Marco and with our current squad.
Oh I'm very much on board if this rumour has substancd and the club are taking a close look to get a sense of his character up close etc. People also underestimate the impact to reputation that signing players like William and pogba, albeit late in their careers, can do for a club like ours. He has quality undoubtedly on his day and a useful player to have.
I did see the Andreas stuff at the time but still I wonder if these players are on the windup most of the time 😅 especially as Andreas would be bringing in a player in his own position! But hey...I'm willing to enjoy the rumour , it is silly season after all!!
Lemina's a difficult one, He played exceptionally well against us at centre back so his versatility would be useful but, at 31 do we need another over 30yo player? Wolves want 5 Mil GBP. The other 5 Mil player we bought from them hasn't done too bad has he! His character wasn't in question during his spell with us, so maybe a one-off.
We're being linked to 24 year old Coventry right back Milan Van Ewijk.
Quote from: Whitestone on January 21, 2025, 07:39:37 AMWe're being linked to 24 year old Coventry right back Milan Van Ewijk.
We were linked with him when he was playing for Heerenven, he has a pace to burn and a good motor quite similar to Jedi so would be a good signing, I think.
Quote from: Pavel Dempsey on January 21, 2025, 07:52:18 AMQuote from: Whitestone on January 21, 2025, 07:39:37 AMWe're being linked to 24 year old Coventry right back Milan Van Ewijk.
We were linked with him when he was playing for Heerenven, he has a pace to burn and a good motor quite similar to Jedi so would be a good signing, I think.
Right age for us but Coventry Live are quite critical of him. "Van Ewijk has displayed indifferent form during his second season at the CBS Arena when he has lacked consistency at times, but he remains a key man in the team and City's only recognised senior right-back."
Quote from: iansthailand on January 21, 2025, 02:41:40 AMLemina's a difficult one, He played exceptionally well against us at centre back so his versatility would be useful but, at 31 do we need another over 30yo player? Wolves want 5 Mil GBP. The other 5 Mil player we bought from them hasn't done too bad has he! His character wasn't in question during his spell with us, so maybe a one-off.
Question is whether he gets in the side, surely he won't dislodge Lukic or Berge and will he come to sit on the bench?
Probably won't get him as he likely has ambitions set higher, and perhaps we don't have the money, but £40m for Matheus Cunha seems like a bid worth making if we did. We could throw one of our CFs in to reduce the top line figure a bit perhaps.
The Coventry full back does look worth a punt. Small, not sure how he defends, but looks good going forward and we're definitely unbalanced at the moment.
I see, with trepidation, we're being linked with Emerson Royal. We probably all have a shortlist of players we regard as completely overrated and, having watched him at Spurs many times, he's one of them. A defender who you're always counting down to the next mistake. Experts like James Horncastle wrote that his transfer to Milan 'looks like the biggest donation in the history of Fondazione Milan as the club charitably tries to make his wish to become a footballer come true.' Needless to say, his short time at AC Milan has been little short of a disaster.
Hate the phrase "worth a punt". In this PSR era where money is so important you cant afford to waste money. Mbabu was a punt and look what happened.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 20, 2025, 09:48:19 PMQuote from: AJW48361 on January 20, 2025, 09:32:29 PMHe didn't give up on Fulham when we got Relegated.
Well he didn't want to take a pay cut and play for us in the Championship, that's for sure
His ambition was to play at a higher level, nothing wrong with that.
Emerson Royal's Carabao Cup appearance at the Cottage coincided with my first match seated high up in the new stand, roughly in line with the edge of the Hammy End penalty area. Great view for the shootout, but also to get a Birds Eye view of the positional ability of the opposition right back. In short, he didn't appear over-endowed with a defensive mindset. He was fleetingly better than Kenny Tete in that game, but once KT had re-emerged from the Cottage in a new boot, ER resumed being much, much worse.
We can surely do better.
Quote from: Fulham 1879 on January 21, 2025, 12:55:48 PMI see, with trepidation, we're being linked with Emerson Royal. We probably all have a shortlist of players we regard as completely overrated and, having watched him at Spurs many times, he's one of them. A defender who you're always counting down to the next mistake. Experts like James Horncastle wrote that his transfer to Milan 'looks like the biggest donation in the history of Fondazione Milan as the club charitably tries to make his wish to become a footballer come true.' Needless to say, his short time at AC Milan has been little short of a disaster.
After that article, he put up an incredible performance against Venezia the following weekend.
I think the attraction to Royal here is how he can play in multiple systems, and has done fairly well. First with Fonseca's patience possession, then with Conceição's rapid pace of play and high pressing.
Most recently, Royal has started every game under Conceição and built a strong partnership with Pulisic and Musah on the right side. I watched him against Juventus this past weekend and he's a big frame, something we haven't had in the right back spot. He showed a lot of strength in his tackling, recovery speed good, passing vision with both feet is quite good. The weaknesses I see with him is his over-aggression in tackling, sometimes a bit wild, even for Serie A. Conceição wants an aggressive press, but some balance is needed from Royal. I don't think he's as fast as Conceição wants, which could be why he's moving to Walker.
It seems to me that Silva is looking at him for how he was under Fonseca. A bit more patient in possession, but able to move the ball vertically with multiple runs coming from the central midfield. I watched him vs Juventus from November and he had one of his best matches for Milan. He was aggressive with his tackling on someone like Yildiz, who is a world class player.
I think he'd be a good signing and very strong competition to Castagne.
Quote from: Carborundum on January 21, 2025, 02:21:45 PMEmerson Royal's Carabao Cup appearance at the Cottage coincided with my first match seated high up in the new stand, roughly in line with the edge of the Hammy End penalty area. Great view for the shootout, but also to get a Birds Eye view of the positional ability of the opposition right back. In short, he didn't appear over-endowed with a defensive mindset. He was fleetingly better than Kenny Tete in that game, but once KT had re-emerged from the Cottage in a new boot, ER resumed being much, much worse.
We can surely do better.
TC(I think?) absolutely cooked him leading to our goal in that match.
Quote from: Whitestone on January 21, 2025, 07:39:37 AMWe're being linked to 24 year old Coventry right back Milan Van Ewijk.
What is the source for this?
Quote from: btffc on January 21, 2025, 03:00:29 PMQuote from: Carborundum on January 21, 2025, 02:21:45 PMEmerson Royal's Carabao Cup appearance at the Cottage coincided with my first match seated high up in the new stand, roughly in line with the edge of the Hammy End penalty area. Great view for the shootout, but also to get a Birds Eye view of the positional ability of the opposition right back. In short, he didn't appear over-endowed with a defensive mindset. He was fleetingly better than Kenny Tete in that game, but once KT had re-emerged from the Cottage in a new boot, ER resumed being much, much worse.
We can surely do better.
TC(I think?) absolutely cooked him leading to our goal in that match.
Indeed he did. Some quite reasonable defenders have been outfoxed by a TC shimmy in the box. But watch the replay of this one and it's notable how long it takes Emerson Royal to realise he needs to be in the same postcode as TC. That suggests someone who doesn't think like a defender, a weakness that may or may not be fixable but should always be addressed on someone else's payroll. Suspect it's why we never signed Neco Williams.
TC practically waited for him, just to do him a bit more comprehensively. Did something very similar against Sunderland and also sent us away happy from Griffin Park one evening. Happy days.
Rutzler confirming we have interest in Royal and van Ewijk.
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1881747463205503463
Quote from: Chi_FFC on January 21, 2025, 04:57:52 PMRutzler confirming we have interest in Royal and van Ewijk.
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1881747463205503463
Does that mean Tete is not signing an extension???? ::cry::
van Ewijk is a lot faster that's for sure. He's a smaller frame, but can put in a tackle. I watched a lot of him more last season as I would watch Coventry's matches to keep tabs on USMNT player Hadji Wright (another player we should look at if he were 100% healthy). He's another right back that can play in multiple systems as Lampard's patience in possession, while still pushing everything central rather than out wide. I liked van Ewijk more under Robins though as he was incredibly strong at his recovery runs and broke up a lot of attacking sequences from the opposition.
If I were to choose Royal or van Ewijk, I think I'd lean towards van Ewijk just for the sake of pace and his ability to create more chances than Royal does. However, the biggest difference is in quality of team history where Royal has played for Milan and Spurs, PL experienced, UEFA experienced to boot. I know there's negativity on him based on when we played Spurs, but that's not recent enough to be a valid reasoning to judge him in his current form - which is quite good.
Personally I don't fancy Pogba. Royal or Aina, I have no knowledge regarding Van Ewijk but as Silva said I can't see us doing much in this window...
Quote from: Fulham 442 on January 21, 2025, 06:06:41 PMPersonally I don't fancy Pogba. Royal or Aina, I have no knowledge regarding Van Ewijk but as Silva said I can't see us doing much in this window...
Ewijk is interesting if Marco likes him.
Not sure the links on the other two
Quote from: demeant0r on January 21, 2025, 05:51:55 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on January 21, 2025, 04:57:52 PMRutzler confirming we have interest in Royal and van Ewijk.
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1881747463205503463
Does that mean Tete is not signing an extension???? ::cry::
Do think it might signal the end of Tete with us. Bit of a modern hero, shame that injuries have slightly hindered him at times.
Quote from: hopper on January 21, 2025, 07:20:30 PMQuote from: demeant0r on January 21, 2025, 05:51:55 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on January 21, 2025, 04:57:52 PMRutzler confirming we have interest in Royal and van Ewijk.
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1881747463205503463
Does that mean Tete is not signing an extension???? ::cry::
Do think it might signal the end of Tete with us. Bit of a modern hero, shame that injuries have slightly hindered him at times.
I wish there was a dislike button on this forum
Tete has to stay. Please don't go, Kenny.
Quote from: demeant0r on January 21, 2025, 07:30:06 PMQuote from: hopper on January 21, 2025, 07:20:30 PMQuote from: demeant0r on January 21, 2025, 05:51:55 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on January 21, 2025, 04:57:52 PMRutzler confirming we have interest in Royal and van Ewijk.
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1881747463205503463
Does that mean Tete is not signing an extension???? ::cry::
Do think it might signal the end of Tete with us. Bit of a modern hero, shame that injuries have slightly hindered him at times.
I wish there was a dislike button on this forum
Probably for the best really re: dislike button!
Kenny is probably one of my favourite Fulham players ever really, will miss him. Can't imagine us signing another RB if he was to stay. Got a hunch he could go back to Ajax or something.
Quote from: hopper on January 21, 2025, 08:02:59 PMQuote from: demeant0r on January 21, 2025, 07:30:06 PMQuote from: hopper on January 21, 2025, 07:20:30 PMQuote from: demeant0r on January 21, 2025, 05:51:55 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on January 21, 2025, 04:57:52 PMRutzler confirming we have interest in Royal and van Ewijk.
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1881747463205503463
Does that mean Tete is not signing an extension???? ::cry::
Do think it might signal the end of Tete with us. Bit of a modern hero, shame that injuries have slightly hindered him at times.
I wish there was a dislike button on this forum
Probably for the best really re: dislike button!
Kenny is probably one of my favourite Fulham players ever really, will miss him. Can't imagine us signing another RB if he was to stay. Got a hunch he could go back to Ajax or something.
There's only two players in this team I'd be really gutted to see leave and one of them is Tete. The other is Jedi.
Tete is pretty much the last player I'd let go. Good fullbacks are hard to find anyway, but Tete is easily one of the best rightbacks defensively and so he'd be even harder to replace. I still hope we'll renew him.
I'd rather sell Castagne then not renew Tete, although preferably we keep both.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 21, 2025, 08:22:43 PMTete is pretty much the last player I'd let go. Good fullbacks are hard to find anyway, but Tete is easily one of the best rightbacks defensively and so he'd be even harder to replace. I still hope we'll renew him.
I'd rather sell Castagne then not renew Tete, although preferably we keep both.
Sadly all good things will come to an end and with him being Dutch I can see him wanting to go home eventually. I suspect this wouldn't be a club thing but a kenny thing. Agreed I absolute love him though. Pocketed so many fantastic attacking players in this league.
I went to a Spurs game with a mate of mine, Royal came on as a sub and got booed, and every time he touched the ball got stick, leading to him making a mistake and spurs conceding, which then led to him being taken off
If we bring in a Right Back it will be a loan if we have a loan slot available - a player like Rico Lewis from Man City , 6 months as injury cover
Don't want Royle, he's dog sh!t, not better than what we have.
Of all the right backs potentially available whether on loan or permanent we are linked to one who when playing in this league previously was either poor or very poor! Who within the club could put up any type of argument that he is what we require even as cover? If there is anyone at Fulham who think they have a magic wand where he is concerned they need to be shot! (Not Literally)
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 21, 2025, 08:22:43 PMTete is pretty much the last player I'd let go. Good fullbacks are hard to find anyway, but Tete is easily one of the best rightbacks defensively and so he'd be even harder to replace. I still hope we'll renew him.
I'd rather sell Castagne then not renew Tete, although preferably we keep both.
Can't imagine it's a case of the club letting him go - more likely that he's letting his contract run down and leave as a free agent.
Although we don't need a Left Back, I see Ballo Toure has been let go on a free By Milan.
Thought Ballo Toure was a sound player. Worth taking him on, in my book.
A big no to Pogba, Lemina (both too old with bad attitudes) and Royal (was poor at Spurs).
It's being reported over on the BHAFC messageboard in a thread about Evan Ferguson that Wet Spam have enquired about Muniz. The source on Twitter is one Ben Jacobs (no, me neither).
If true, this would potentially increase the chances of an approach from us for Ferguson.
Quote from: Shredhead on January 21, 2025, 10:53:35 PMIt's being reported over on the BHAFC messageboard in a thread about Evan Ferguson that Wet Spam have enquired about Muniz. The source on Twitter is one Ben Jacobs (no, me neither).
If true, this would potentially increase the chances of an approach from us for Ferguson.
That's old news. Marco has since said there's no chance we sell Muniz. He also said there were no offers so far and if we do get an offer it will get rejected straight away.
Isn't Ferguson out injured for a longer period than originally thought
I dont want Fulham to go anywhere near Royal with Cheese he is stealing a living playing football
I don't want Fulham to go near Royal or Ferguson.
I can kind of understand the Royal links but Ferguson I really don't understand.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on January 22, 2025, 12:48:03 AMI don't want Fulham to go near Royal or Ferguson.
I can kind of understand the Royal links but Ferguson I really don't understand.
Ferguson has talent and is young. Marco can make him a great striker and Raul is not getting any younger.
Quote from: St Eve on January 22, 2025, 01:23:17 AMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on January 22, 2025, 12:48:03 AMI don't want Fulham to go near Royal or Ferguson.
I can kind of understand the Royal links but Ferguson I really don't understand.
Ferguson has talent and is young. Marco can make him a great striker and Raul is not getting any younger.
I'm not sure that he really does though, there was a good spell two, maybe three years ago? He is fit again now following his last injury and not being picked in a Brighton side that isn't exactly on fire.
I remain unconvinced to say the least.
From what Marco said about Muniz he clearly feels he has a bright future and I personally don't think Ferguson is any improvement on Muniz.I think we need to buy a clear upgrade who can push us into the European places even if it is for only 3-5 years which will give us time to see if Muniz will make the step up because he's still young.
Quote from: Matt10 on January 21, 2025, 02:50:40 PMQuote from: Fulham 1879 on January 21, 2025, 12:55:48 PMI see, with trepidation, we're being linked with Emerson Royal. We probably all have a shortlist of players we regard as completely overrated and, having watched him at Spurs many times, he's one of them. A defender who you're always counting down to the next mistake. Experts like James Horncastle wrote that his transfer to Milan 'looks like the biggest donation in the history of Fondazione Milan as the club charitably tries to make his wish to become a footballer come true.' Needless to say, his short time at AC Milan has been little short of a disaster.
After that article, he put up an incredible performance against Venezia the following weekend.
I think the attraction to Royal here is how he can play in multiple systems, and has done fairly well. First with Fonseca's patience possession, then with Conceição's rapid pace of play and high pressing.
Most recently, Royal has started every game under Conceição and built a strong partnership with Pulisic and Musah on the right side. I watched him against Juventus this past weekend and he's a big frame, something we haven't had in the right back spot. He showed a lot of strength in his tackling, recovery speed good, passing vision with both feet is quite good. The weaknesses I see with him is his over-aggression in tackling, sometimes a bit wild, even for Serie A. Conceição wants an aggressive press, but some balance is needed from Royal. I don't think he's as fast as Conceição wants, which could be why he's moving to Walker.
It seems to me that Silva is looking at him for how he was under Fonseca. A bit more patient in possession, but able to move the ball vertically with multiple runs coming from the central midfield. I watched him vs Juventus from November and he had one of his best matches for Milan. He was aggressive with his tackling on someone like Yildiz, who is a world class player.
I think he'd be a good signing and very strong competition to Castagne.
Just to add to your post: he was very good at Betis playing in La Liga.
Quote from: Pavel Dempsey on January 22, 2025, 07:42:36 AMQuote from: Matt10 on January 21, 2025, 02:50:40 PMQuote from: Fulham 1879 on January 21, 2025, 12:55:48 PMI see, with trepidation, we're being linked with Emerson Royal. We probably all have a shortlist of players we regard as completely overrated and, having watched him at Spurs many times, he's one of them. A defender who you're always counting down to the next mistake. Experts like James Horncastle wrote that his transfer to Milan 'looks like the biggest donation in the history of Fondazione Milan as the club charitably tries to make his wish to become a footballer come true.' Needless to say, his short time at AC Milan has been little short of a disaster.
After that article, he put up an incredible performance against Venezia the following weekend.
I think the attraction to Royal here is how he can play in multiple systems, and has done fairly well. First with Fonseca's patience possession, then with Conceição's rapid pace of play and high pressing.
Most recently, Royal has started every game under Conceição and built a strong partnership with Pulisic and Musah on the right side. I watched him against Juventus this past weekend and he's a big frame, something we haven't had in the right back spot. He showed a lot of strength in his tackling, recovery speed good, passing vision with both feet is quite good. The weaknesses I see with him is his over-aggression in tackling, sometimes a bit wild, even for Serie A. Conceição wants an aggressive press, but some balance is needed from Royal. I don't think he's as fast as Conceição wants, which could be why he's moving to Walker.
It seems to me that Silva is looking at him for how he was under Fonseca. A bit more patient in possession, but able to move the ball vertically with multiple runs coming from the central midfield. I watched him vs Juventus from November and he had one of his best matches for Milan. He was aggressive with his tackling on someone like Yildiz, who is a world class player.
I think he'd be a good signing and very strong competition to Castagne.
Just to add to your post: he was very good at Betis playing in La Liga.
Mentioned a few times I keep an eye on Serie A because I follow Roma a bit, Emerson Royals always looked decent to me there when I've seen him and has played regularly for Milan as far as I'm aware for quite some time. I suspect he'd be better than some fear. Id still rather Tete stayed but if he's not going to sign a contract there are definitely worse options out there and Castagne will battle it out for him who we know is also a very good full back
Quote from: jayffc on January 22, 2025, 10:36:13 AMMentioned a few times I keep an eye on Serie A because I follow Roma a bit, Emerson Royals always looked decent to me there when I've seen him and has played regularly for Milan as far as I'm aware for quite some time. I suspect he'd be better than some fear. Id still rather Tete stayed but if he's not going to sign a contract there are definitely worse options out there and Castagne will battle it out for him who we know is also a very good full back
Looks like he only joined Milan in the summer, at this stage I pretty much trust the club on recruitment.
I can think of a few players that Fulham supporters have opposed or said not good enough and things like that, to name just two for starters
Lukic and Berge.
I even remember people calling Murphy "Charlton reject", I wonder how he done for us.
Emerson Royal has always looked hard working but calamitous to me.
However, if Marco thinks he can get a tune out of him then I'm all for it.
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 22, 2025, 10:58:32 AMEmerson Royal has always looked hard working but calamitous to me.
However, if Marco thinks he can get a tune out of him then I'm all for it.
Is Marco tone deaf?
If you were picking an all time worst eleven that played in premiership I'm pretty sure he would be in the conversation as right back.
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 22, 2025, 12:32:07 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 22, 2025, 10:58:32 AMEmerson Royal has always looked hard working but calamitous to me.
However, if Marco thinks he can get a tune out of him then I'm all for it.
Is Marco tone deaf?
If you were picking an all time worst eleven that played in premiership I'm pretty sure he would be in the conversation as right back.
I'm sure he's also a better judge than anyone on this board about picking players to be in his squad
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 22, 2025, 12:32:07 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 22, 2025, 10:58:32 AMEmerson Royal has always looked hard working but calamitous to me.
However, if Marco thinks he can get a tune out of him then I'm all for it.
Is Marco tone deaf?
If you were picking an all time worst eleven that played in premiership I'm pretty sure he would be in the conversation as right back.
That is just an extreme overstatement. No one that bad gets on the books of Barcelona, Spurs and AC Milan
Quote from: bencher on January 22, 2025, 12:38:56 PMQuote from: JimmyConway on January 22, 2025, 12:32:07 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 22, 2025, 10:58:32 AMEmerson Royal has always looked hard working but calamitous to me.
However, if Marco thinks he can get a tune out of him then I'm all for it.
Is Marco tone deaf?
If you were picking an all time worst eleven that played in premiership I'm pretty sure he would be in the conversation as right back.
That is just an extreme overstatement. No one that bad gets on the books of Barcelona, Spurs and AC Milan
Totally right.
Before they joined, I also heard from fans of their then-clubs how useless Pereira, Jimenez, Bassey and Willian all were.
Hell, until this season our own fans had been crying out for Robinson to be booted out the club for being so bad.
Long story short: in Marco I trust.
Royal is terrible defensively please don't do it fulham he will make Mbabu look like a prime Cafu
Rashford anyone?
Quote from: hopper on January 22, 2025, 10:44:21 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 22, 2025, 10:36:13 AMMentioned a few times I keep an eye on Serie A because I follow Roma a bit, Emerson Royals always looked decent to me there when I've seen him and has played regularly for Milan as far as I'm aware for quite some time. I suspect he'd be better than some fear. Id still rather Tete stayed but if he's not going to sign a contract there are definitely worse options out there and Castagne will battle it out for him who we know is also a very good full back
Looks like he only joined Milan in the summer, at this stage I pretty much trust the club on recruitment.
As in has been their starter since signing and not just filling a gap in recent games... not as in been with them for years 😅
I'm inclined to agree re our recruitment. Our percentages of signings id say that worked out well or well enough so far is very high the last few years. As ever , well see who walks in the door by February and go from there
Walker confirmed to AC Milan. Hopefully that prompts Royal to us.
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1882065478174343204
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Quote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 03:25:46 PMWalker confirmed to AC Milan. Hopefully that prompts Royal to us.
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1882065478174343204
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gh5wbHhW0AAyeLw?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Did you ever see Royale play for Spurs. I disaster waiting to happen.
Quote from: sarnian on January 22, 2025, 04:36:31 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 03:25:46 PMWalker confirmed to AC Milan. Hopefully that prompts Royal to us.
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1882065478174343204
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gh5wbHhW0AAyeLw?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Did you ever see Royale play for Spurs. I disaster waiting to happen.
I did, but that doesn't matter as I've watched more matches of him recently. I already made a post on my thoughts. He's in good form and can fit in multiple systems and regardless, in Marco I trust.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 22, 2025, 02:56:33 PMRoyal is terrible defensively please don't do it fulham he will make Mbabu look like a prime Cafu
In all fairness Tottenham play with attacking full backs and sometimes inverted full backs which doesn't exactly help from a defensive stance.
Marco Silva has a habit of getting the most out of players so this could turn out to be a good signing for us
i dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Quote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
Quote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne, and emerson doesnt really elevate the team
Quote from: sarnian on January 22, 2025, 04:36:31 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 03:25:46 PMWalker confirmed to AC Milan. Hopefully that prompts Royal to us.
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1882065478174343204
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gh5wbHhW0AAyeLw?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Did you ever see Royale play for Spurs. I disaster waiting to happen.
That doesn't mean he will be a disaster here though does it, everyone has a disaster at spurs.
Quote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
Quote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
I don't know what criteria the recruitment team have set. But id be thinking more like the profile of a Huijsen at Bournemouth, Barco at Brighton etc as it's a position we can take a bit of risk in
Quote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
Well 20 year old Michael Kayode who is an Italian U21 international has just left Fiorentina to join Brentford, massive upsale potential for Brentford IF it works out and Bournemouth keep unearthing young gems would like to see us going down the same path.
Quote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 06:18:51 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
I don't know what criteria the recruitment team have set. But id be thinking more like the profile of a Huijsen at Bournemouth, Barco at Brighton etc as it's a position we can take a bit of risk in
That would definitely be a risk at the 19 and 20 year old age profile. I can't argue they haven't played well, but hindsight definitely helps that a bit.
Quote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 06:44:53 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 06:18:51 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
I don't know what criteria the recruitment team have set. But id be thinking more like the profile of a Huijsen at Bournemouth, Barco at Brighton etc as it's a position we can take a bit of risk in
That would definitely be a risk at the 19 and 20 year old age profile. I can't argue they haven't played well, but hindsight definitely helps that a bit.
Barco has barely played, though he is very good. thats not really the point though and you can't quite argue hindsight when they are recruiting for different profiles.
Agree we have enough "PL experience", which comes at a premium and leaves little or no scope for upside on resale. We should be looking at unproven players, the younger the better. To be honest that's where a good recruitment team earn their money. Any mug on the terraces could point you to a good potential signing who's 26-27 years old and has already demonstrated their ability in this league.
Quote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 07:03:42 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 06:44:53 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 06:18:51 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
I don't know what criteria the recruitment team have set. But id be thinking more like the profile of a Huijsen at Bournemouth, Barco at Brighton etc as it's a position we can take a bit of risk in
That would definitely be a risk at the 19 and 20 year old age profile. I can't argue they haven't played well, but hindsight definitely helps that a bit.
Barco has barely played, though he is very good. thats not really the point though and you can't quite argue hindsight when they are recruiting for different profiles.
Yes, but Barco played a decent amount of first team at Boca Juniors. The u21 profile is tempting, but how many players out there have first team experience that we would want to put them in the first team immediately? Castagne is all we have right now. Rather than obtain a player with PL experience, in-form, we should say no and avoid because of their age profile?
I think there's a time and a place to recruit for the nex-gen players, but with the threshold as thin as it is right now - we should definitely be making a push for something solid.
Well Emerson Royal has just limped off crocked after 4 mins for Milan. Depending how bad that might be that then.
Quote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 07:52:23 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 07:03:42 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 06:44:53 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 06:18:51 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
I don't know what criteria the recruitment team have set. But id be thinking more like the profile of a Huijsen at Bournemouth, Barco at Brighton etc as it's a position we can take a bit of risk in
That would definitely be a risk at the 19 and 20 year old age profile. I can't argue they haven't played well, but hindsight definitely helps that a bit.
Barco has barely played, though he is very good. thats not really the point though and you can't quite argue hindsight when they are recruiting for different profiles.
Yes, but Barco played a decent amount of first team at Boca Juniors. The u21 profile is tempting, but how many players out there have first team experience that we would want to put them in the first team immediately? Castagne is all we have right now. Rather than obtain a player with PL experience, in-form, we should say no and avoid because of their age profile?
I think there's a time and a place to recruit for the nex-gen players, but with the threshold as thin as it is right now - we should definitely be making a push for something solid.
We won't be signing a player to start, we will be signing a player to share mins with castagne and then tete once he's back. With an established rb like castagne it's exactly the type of person we need. We also share a market with the likes of bton and Bournemouth - a player with starts in SA leagues is fair game. Otherwise we spend 12m every few years and shift at the same amount or a loss. It's a kicking the can down the road otherwise.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 22, 2025, 07:45:21 PMAgree we have enough "PL experience", which comes at a premium and leaves little or no scope for upside on resale. We should be looking at unproven players, the younger the better. To be honest that's where a good recruitment team earn their money. Any mug on the terraces could point you to a good potential signing who's 26-27 years old and has already demonstrated their ability in this league.
We don't at right back though so I'd understand for this signing but the last one! It's essentially Timmy or nothing at the moment. Left side you have Robinson, Sess, Cuenca and Bassey who can play LB but with Tete injured if Timmy went down I don't see Diop or Andersen playing RB so if we bought someone young who is just not ready it could stuff the season. Also if Tete goes he'll want two experienced for next season as that is clearly how he operates so need to do that now if they know he's off.
It's also not like we've been buying guaranteed success 26 year old prem players for £50 million. Most have been players who have half failed but Marco/the club has seen there potential so skill in that. I'm not sure about Royal myself from the limited time watching him but if Marco wants him hopefully another redeemed reputation after what looked like a bit of a nightmare at spurs.
We are also making big profits at the moment selling these players at 29/30. The club/Marco have done very well then with a lot of skill in the market.
However...if we either kept Tete or signed a Royal or someone similar that really is at least two experienced players for every position with no other contracts up in summer (assuming we extend Raul/Adama with the year options). Nelson may go back but we have a load of interchangeable experience on the wings anyway. Marco has what he wants at that point then.
I'd also be extremely frustrated then if we don't really make some significant investment in young talent with huge potential this summer with all positions across the pitch significantly covered with experience. If we don't I'd start to question our method a bit as this summer is the perfect opportunity and I'm hoping the last 3 years we have been laying the solid foundations to do this. We will see.
Emerson Royal went off injured 4mins in tonight.
This opens up the question of scouting if Marco and tony make the decisions it would seem talbot and son should be trying to find young players for the future you can't say the Spaniard who's 24 is young so where are they godo has along way to go.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 22, 2025, 08:33:05 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 22, 2025, 07:45:21 PMAgree we have enough "PL experience", which comes at a premium and leaves little or no scope for upside on resale. We should be looking at unproven players, the younger the better. To be honest that's where a good recruitment team earn their money. Any mug on the terraces could point you to a good potential signing who's 26-27 years old and has already demonstrated their ability in this league.
We don't at right back though so I'd understand for this signing but the last one! It's essentially Timmy or nothing at the moment. Left side you have Robinson, Sess, Cuenca and Bassey who can play LB but with Tete injured if Timmy went down I don't see Diop or Andersen playing RB so if we bought someone young who is just not ready it could stuff the season. Also if Tete goes he'll want two experienced for next season as that is clearly how he operates so need to do that now if they know he's off.
It's also not like we've been buying guaranteed success 26 year old prem players for £50 million. Most have been players who have half failed but Marco/the club has seen there potential so skill in that. I'm not sure about Royal myself from the limited time watching him but if Marco wants him hopefully another redeemed reputation after what looked like a bit of a nightmare at spurs.
We are also making big profits at the moment selling these players at 29/30. The club/Marco have done very well then with a lot of skill in the market.
However...if we either kept Tete or signed a Royal or someone similar that really is at least two experienced players for every position with no other contracts up in summer (assuming we extend Raul/Adama with the year options). Nelson may go back but we have a load of interchangeable experience on the wings anyway. Marco has what he wants at that point then.
I'd also be extremely frustrated then if we don't really make some significant investment in young talent with huge potential this summer with all positions across the pitch significantly covered with experience. If we don't I'd start to question our method a bit as this summer is the perfect opportunity and I'm hoping the last 3 years we have been laying the solid foundations to do this. We will see.
I see where you're coming from but if any youngster is effectively third choice, that's a difficult path they have to the first team. I guess it depends how unproven they are. If we're talking about 16-17 year olds with limited first team football then yes their appearances are likely to be few and far between. But if you're talking about someone aged 21 who's already done the business in Brazil, Portugal, Belgium or somewhere like that, absolutely fine for them to be second choice (or even first choice if the rest of the starting XI is largely settled players).
IMO we should target an average age across the squad of 24-25 so that probably means about 30% of the team being no older than 22/23.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 22, 2025, 09:42:38 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 22, 2025, 08:33:05 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 22, 2025, 07:45:21 PMAgree we have enough "PL experience", which comes at a premium and leaves little or no scope for upside on resale. We should be looking at unproven players, the younger the better. To be honest that's where a good recruitment team earn their money. Any mug on the terraces could point you to a good potential signing who's 26-27 years old and has already demonstrated their ability in this league.
We don't at right back though so I'd understand for this signing but the last one! It's essentially Timmy or nothing at the moment. Left side you have Robinson, Sess, Cuenca and Bassey who can play LB but with Tete injured if Timmy went down I don't see Diop or Andersen playing RB so if we bought someone young who is just not ready it could stuff the season. Also if Tete goes he'll want two experienced for next season as that is clearly how he operates so need to do that now if they know he's off.
It's also not like we've been buying guaranteed success 26 year old prem players for £50 million. Most have been players who have half failed but Marco/the club has seen there potential so skill in that. I'm not sure about Royal myself from the limited time watching him but if Marco wants him hopefully another redeemed reputation after what looked like a bit of a nightmare at spurs.
We are also making big profits at the moment selling these players at 29/30. The club/Marco have done very well then with a lot of skill in the market.
However...if we either kept Tete or signed a Royal or someone similar that really is at least two experienced players for every position with no other contracts up in summer (assuming we extend Raul/Adama with the year options). Nelson may go back but we have a load of interchangeable experience on the wings anyway. Marco has what he wants at that point then.
I'd also be extremely frustrated then if we don't really make some significant investment in young talent with huge potential this summer with all positions across the pitch significantly covered with experience. If we don't I'd start to question our method a bit as this summer is the perfect opportunity and I'm hoping the last 3 years we have been laying the solid foundations to do this. We will see.
I see where you're coming from but if any youngster is effectively third choice, that's a difficult path they have to the first team. I guess it depends how unproven they are. If we're talking about 16-17 year olds with limited first team football then yes their appearances are likely to be few and far between. But if you're talking about someone aged 21 who's already done the business in Brazil, Portugal, Belgium or somewhere like that, absolutely fine for them to be second choice (or even first choice if the rest of the starting XI is largely settled players).
IMO we should target an average age across the squad of 24-25 so that probably means about 30% of the team being no older than 22/23.
I very much doubt you'll be seeing that under Marco so you'll prob have to wait for him to go. Looks clear he's always going to want 2 players with significant experience in each position as a starting point until someone younger proves they are the real deal. Personally I think losing Marco would be the worst thing that could happen but if we want him here that is clearly his way. Around a third of the squad would be a huge risk as welll. A good few injuries and you are relying on them.
I think however you can go for 3 or 4 that may start as third choice but have the potential to take over. Low risk when you have two established players in front of them. A 21 year old who has done it in Brazil will come to a solid top half prem team and not expect to start every week. If they are good enough they will break through and sooner rather than later knocking one of the older ones out.
King was home grown but is a good example if we had bought him this year instead...already at 18 is starting to play a part despite prob starting as 3rd or 4th choice. Potentially a perfect replacement for AP who we could sell for profit if we think King is ready this summer. Perhaps this summer is too soon but defo the year after. This would be the example of a potential succession planning that we can phase in gradually and make a huge profit on in the future or potentially improve us dramatically if we keep him once he's ready.
I want to see some 18 to 21 year old Kings purchased then not to start straight away but to gradually work their way in and be potential superstars when they prove they are ready to take over from our ageing established players. If 21 and they prove to be outstanding it could even be pretty much straight away but if it doesn't work out the two reliable top quality pros are still there. Unlike a Southampton a few years ago they have brilliant pro's to learn from as well rather than being surrounded by deers in headlights who have to carry all the burden.
Could also be we buy one or two and loan out like others do and have a ready made replacement for someone ageing in a few years as we don't need them immediately with all positions covered. All of this is slow long term planning but an incredibly sensible way of doing things to ensure prem security but also develop significantly longer term.
Lots of ways to do it but completely agree that this summer is the time to go younger. God knows if Marco/the club will but really feel at this point they should with the stability we now have across the pitch and it will be incredibly disappointing I think if we don't.
It's worked for Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and most clubs our size that have made a success of themselves at this level. In fact it's pretty much the definitive blueprint, and it's hard to see our current outlier model working in long-term. And whether we like it, Silva isn't our future any more than a 33-year-old Jiminez is - neither will be with us in three years from now, in any fact pattern.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 23, 2025, 12:19:13 AMIt's worked for Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and most clubs our size that have made a success of themselves at this level. In fact it's pretty much the definitive blueprint, and it's hard to see our current outlier model working in long-term. And whether we like it, Silva isn't our future any more than a 33-year-old Jiminez is - neither will be with us in three years from now, in any fact pattern.
No reason why Marco Silva wouldn't still be with us. If we continue to move forward, invest and progress he'll stay.
Quote from: LC on January 23, 2025, 12:51:49 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 23, 2025, 12:19:13 AMIt's worked for Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and most clubs our size that have made a success of themselves at this level. In fact it's pretty much the definitive blueprint, and it's hard to see our current outlier model working in long-term. And whether we like it, Silva isn't our future any more than a 33-year-old Jiminez is - neither will be with us in three years from now, in any fact pattern.
No reason why Marco Silva wouldn't still be with us. If we continue to move forward, invest and progress he'll stay.
No chance sorry, last manager we had for that long was Bedford Jezzard!
Quote from: C Block on January 22, 2025, 06:42:29 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
Well 20 year old Michael Kayode who is an Italian U21 international has just left Fiorentina to join Brentford, massive upsale potential for Brentford IF it works out and Bournemouth keep unearthing young gems would like to see us going down the same path.
This is the sort of transfer we should have been all over.
Young, Italian youth international who has been playing for a top club in Fiorentina.
With Tete down, we need some depth at RB - plus an option to buy if it works out
I would take a punt on Mason Mount. If the fee and wages were reasonable I think it could be a great move. If Andreas was to go and Mount came in it could be a great move. I think he could rebuild his career at a club like ours. He's just turned 26 years old, still young - the question is can he stay injury free.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 23, 2025, 12:19:13 AMIt's worked for Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and most clubs our size that have made a success of themselves at this level. In fact it's pretty much the definitive blueprint, and it's hard to see our current outlier model working in long-term. And whether we like it, Silva isn't our future any more than a 33-year-old Jiminez is - neither will be with us in three years from now, in any fact pattern.
We're discussing in the transfer thread for a reason, it has to be under Marco Silva's discretion and approval. The topic of recruitment came in on the avoidance of a player profile that we have had success with and is supported with their current form. Especially more concerning that we'd avoid this profile when our main choice is injured and his competitor is putting in some match time that if he's injured even a little bit - we're left exposed.
I understand how we all
want the club to recruit, but again, it's Fulhamish to think that we're going to switch into that mode all of a sudden when we've never shown any kind of ambition to obtain u21 profiles. If anything we push for our academy/u23 players to step up. There's a time and a place and the January transfer window is hardly one to take such a two-fold risk.
Quote from: LC on January 23, 2025, 03:09:24 AMI would take a punt on Mason Mount. If the fee and wages were reasonable I think it could be a great move. If Andreas was to go and Mount came in it could be a great move. I think he could rebuild his career at a club like ours. He's just turned 26 years old, still young - the question is can he stay injury free.
The question is if we could afford his wages. Any player who goes to Chelsea is sure to earn at least 100k a week and I'm sure he's only 150k-200k.
Think we're all broadly in agreement with what we want here guys. Debate re the current right back with only Tim there and the volume of youth overall but we all want to see more of it moving forward.
Think almost everyone would love to see 4 or 5 brilliant young prospects brought in this summer. Add them to King, Muniz and possibly the likes of Osmond/Godo if they continue to do well and you have half a team coming through. No limit to u21 s in a squad so they could all be there fighting for a place in the team as King is doing now. If you then get an injury crises like we did this season in midfield we have more options as well.
Not sure if we do that under Marco but think most of us think we should so hope he sees that sense too now he has such an established team.
Re Marco isn't it a year left from this summer? Personally I hope he signs a new 3 year deal. I don't think there is no chance if he keeps seeing progression. Look at Frank at Brentford. I think Marco stays until a big club in the prem wants him. Could be anytime of course but surely Ireola and even Nuno getting a second chance are ahead of him from the prem and most big clubs seem to want to go abroad now. Not impossible he resigns then. If he won't this summer even if he doesn't want the youth prospects I think the club should be going for it to look after the long term future should he refuse to be part of that turning down a new contract offer.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 22, 2025, 09:42:38 PMI see where you're coming from but if any youngster is effectively third choice, that's a difficult path they have to the first team. I guess it depends how unproven they are. If we're talking about 16-17 year olds with limited first team football then yes their appearances are likely to be few and far between. But if you're talking about someone aged 21 who's already done the business in Brazil, Portugal, Belgium or somewhere like that, absolutely fine for them to be second choice (or even first choice if the rest of the starting XI is largely settled players).
IMO we should target an average age across the squad of 24-25 so that probably means about 30% of the team being no older than 22/23.
I don't think we target anything other than the best possible player in that position, age is irrelevant from a playing point of view, but not a business one. Without playing well, the business clearly suffers.
Take Willian for example, and Godo/King watching him and learning. Invaluable, added to the fact that he wasn't exactly bad when he crossed the line for us either.
There's players that you can make money on who aren't that age profile- Pal, Mitro just two good examples.
We did buy younger players last summer: Cuenca (24), ESR (24), Sess (24), Nelson loan (24), which dropped the age of the squad as Ream, BDR, Pal, WIllain left. Only Stansfield was young, but I guess he fits into the model that you're talking about- young and cheap, sell them for a healthy profit?
Kyle Walker went to Milan today which frees up Emerson Royal to leave.
Quote from: demeant0r on January 23, 2025, 09:58:49 AMKyle Walker went to Milan today which frees up Emerson Royal to leave.
Not sure of full extent but suggestions are quite a nasty injury he picked up last night after only 4mins?
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 23, 2025, 10:06:18 AMQuote from: demeant0r on January 23, 2025, 09:58:49 AMKyle Walker went to Milan today which frees up Emerson Royal to leave.
Not sure of full extent but suggestions are quite a nasty injury he picked up last night after only 4mins?
I had just turned on the game to watch him play so missed the challenge but he limped off supported by a trainer and looked like he could barely put any weight on it. If it's as bad as it looked wouldn't be surprised at all if it's completely off.
The fact he was playing suggests it wasnt that close to concluding anyway. Normally players on verge of transfers are saved from game time in case this happens
Another brazillion player that will pump this gossip up to astronomical proportions.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 23, 2025, 10:17:07 AMQuote from: JimmyConway on January 23, 2025, 10:06:18 AMQuote from: demeant0r on January 23, 2025, 09:58:49 AMKyle Walker went to Milan today which frees up Emerson Royal to leave.
Not sure of full extent but suggestions are quite a nasty injury he picked up last night after only 4mins?
I had just turned on the game to watch him play so missed the challenge but he limped off supported by a trainer and looked like he could barely put any weight on it. If it's as bad as it looked wouldn't be surprised at all if it's completely off.
Out for 2 months allegedly, so he wont be coming this season
Quote from: FFC In Oz on January 23, 2025, 03:09:18 AMQuote from: C Block on January 22, 2025, 06:42:29 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
Well 20 year old Michael Kayode who is an Italian U21 international has just left Fiorentina to join Brentford, massive upsale potential for Brentford IF it works out and Bournemouth keep unearthing young gems would like to see us going down the same path.
This is the sort of transfer we should have been all over.
Young, Italian youth international who has been playing for a top club in Fiorentina.
With Tete down, we need some depth at RB - plus an option to buy if it works out
Not that it means anything - but Kayode is probably the best young RB in the game on FM24....
Quote from: CottagersOnTour on January 23, 2025, 01:31:51 PMQuote from: FFC In Oz on January 23, 2025, 03:09:18 AMQuote from: C Block on January 22, 2025, 06:42:29 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
Well 20 year old Michael Kayode who is an Italian U21 international has just left Fiorentina to join Brentford, massive upsale potential for Brentford IF it works out and Bournemouth keep unearthing young gems would like to see us going down the same path.
This is the sort of transfer we should have been all over.
Young, Italian youth international who has been playing for a top club in Fiorentina.
With Tete down, we need some depth at RB - plus an option to buy if it works out
Not that it means anything - but Kayode is probably the best young RB in the game on FM24....
As a FIFA/FC player, I use Sofifa for a quick glance at players as well. Gives a decent idea of what potential is out there.
Quote from: CottagersOnTour on January 23, 2025, 01:31:51 PMQuote from: FFC In Oz on January 23, 2025, 03:09:18 AMQuote from: C Block on January 22, 2025, 06:42:29 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:54:38 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:48:19 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 22, 2025, 05:44:10 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 22, 2025, 05:39:21 PMi dont like the emerson deal tbh. think its fine as a tete replacement but exactly the type of age profile we need to be avoiding.
Age profile of 26 needs to be avoided?
would prefer someone younger yeah. our squad is already quite old and 26 is ok because you are in peak years but someone with more upside would be better especially when we have castagne and emerson isnt a gamechanging upgrade.
I see. That's definitely an interesting approach. It's a bit Fulhamish, don't you think? We want someone PL experienced, UEFA experienced, starter from their current club...yet we want them under the age of 26? Would that younger age profile, with all those other credentials, really want to come to Fulham?
Well 20 year old Michael Kayode who is an Italian U21 international has just left Fiorentina to join Brentford, massive upsale potential for Brentford IF it works out and Bournemouth keep unearthing young gems would like to see us going down the same path.
This is the sort of transfer we should have been all over.
Young, Italian youth international who has been playing for a top club in Fiorentina.
With Tete down, we need some depth at RB - plus an option to buy if it works out
Not that it means anything - but Kayode is probably the best young RB in the game on FM24....
Absolutely. Kayode and Bardghji are terrific on the right side on my Fulham save.
Quote from: Jim© on January 23, 2025, 09:39:44 AMWe did buy younger players last summer: Cuenca (24), ESR (24), Sess (24), Nelson loan (24), which dropped the age of the squad as Ream, BDR, Pal, WIllain left. Only Stansfield was young, but I guess he fits into the model that you're talking about- young and cheap, sell them for a healthy profit?
You're right Jim and it was a very positive aspect of our recruitment last summer. Believe we brought the average age down by around two years by sending Ream, Willian et al away on their zimmer frames and bringing in those you mention. But the context is that we had the oldest squad in the division at the time, believe we're still around the third oldest, so it probably only brought us 40% of the way to where we should be in terms of average age. So we still need some equally dramatic action in the next year or two. Given our typical summer first team turnover is only likely to be 4-6 players, this really needs to be at the core of our strategy (ie with almost all our signings in the younger age range).
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 23, 2025, 09:20:31 AMIf he won't this summer even if he doesn't want the youth prospects I think the club should be going for it to look after the long term future should he refuse to be part of that turning down a new contract offer.
100% agree, I've said before, it was quite right for TK to step back from transfers and put more discretion in the hands of the manager, but it does create the problem that the manager is really only ever incentivised to succeed in a 1-3 year time horizon and you Need someone else keeping an eye on the longer term. It's fine for Silva because one top 7 finish with us and he probably gets the move he needs to a CL club, but we need to ensure it isn't done in a way that leaves his replacement saddled with lots of 30 year olds on big wages with no resale value and big fees still amortising in the accounts.
Managers should never lead player acquisitions. Oversight, systematic approach, transfer expertise and collaboration is needed.
I think Tony's recruitment has largely been ok apart from summer 2018.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 23, 2025, 03:19:47 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 23, 2025, 09:20:31 AMIf he won't this summer even if he doesn't want the youth prospects I think the club should be going for it to look after the long term future should he refuse to be part of that turning down a new contract offer.
100% agree, I've said before, it was quite right for TK to step back from transfers and put more discretion in the hands of the manager, but it does create the problem that the manager is really only ever incentivised to succeed in a 1-3 year time horizon and you Need someone else keeping an eye on the longer term. It's fine for Silva because one top 7 finish with us and he probably gets the move he needs to a CL club, but we need to ensure it isn't done in a way that leaves his replacement saddled with lots of 30 year olds on big wages with no resale value and big fees still amortising in the accounts.
Lol
Quote from: LRCN on January 23, 2025, 03:26:46 PMManagers should never lead player acquisitions. Oversight, systematic approach, transfer expertise and collaboration is needed.
I think Tony's recruitment has largely been ok apart from summer 2018.
No need to worry then bud, given as discussed ad neuseum before theres no compelling actual evidence he's stopped being a core part of leading transfer strategy, as per the athletic, telegraph ,Peter Rutzler, our manager and the guy himself 🤷 the only place it ever gets said like it's a ln actual thing is by people with no access or insight at the club.
Silva certainly has a big say too though as he's clearly well trusted by all reports, he did also bring in Muniz who remains a long term project of his having been acquired at a young age and it does always seem he works here under the pretense of the long term project. Here's hoping he is indeed here for years to come
Quote from: LRCN on January 23, 2025, 03:26:46 PMManagers should never lead player acquisitions. Oversight, systematic approach, transfer expertise and collaboration is needed.
I think Tony's recruitment has largely been ok apart from summer 2018.
People have short memories.
Quote from: jayffc on January 23, 2025, 03:47:39 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 23, 2025, 03:26:46 PMManagers should never lead player acquisitions. Oversight, systematic approach, transfer expertise and collaboration is needed.
I think Tony's recruitment has largely been ok apart from summer 2018.
No need to worry then bud, given as discussed ad neuseum before theres no compelling actual evidence he's stopped being a core part of leading transfer strategy, as per the athletic, telegraph ,Peter Rutzler, our manager and the guy himself 🤷 the only place it ever gets said like it's a ln actual thing is by people with no access or insight at the club.
Silva certainly has a big say too though as he's clearly well trusted by all reports, he did also bring in Muniz who remains a long term project of his having been acquired at a young age and it does always seem he works here under the pretense of the long term project. Here's hoping he is indeed here for years to come
Yes it was a response to the message above
Quote from: LRCN on January 23, 2025, 09:31:30 PMQuote from: jayffc on January 23, 2025, 03:47:39 PMQuote from: LRCN on January 23, 2025, 03:26:46 PMManagers should never lead player acquisitions. Oversight, systematic approach, transfer expertise and collaboration is needed.
I think Tony's recruitment has largely been ok apart from summer 2018.
No need to worry then bud, given as discussed ad neuseum before theres no compelling actual evidence he's stopped being a core part of leading transfer strategy, as per the athletic, telegraph ,Peter Rutzler, our manager and the guy himself 🤷 the only place it ever gets said like it's a ln actual thing is by people with no access or insight at the club.
Silva certainly has a big say too though as he's clearly well trusted by all reports, he did also bring in Muniz who remains a long term project of his having been acquired at a young age and it does always seem he works here under the pretense of the long term project. Here's hoping he is indeed here for years to come
Yes it was a response to the message above
All good I got it , I was agreeing with you in response to the same post that continues to push that narrative👍🏽
So I'm confused, do we blame TK or Silva for giving us the 3rd oldest squad in the league?
Both if one really must? Given they all work on it together?
But to be honest the fact ones constantly looking for something to "blame" someone for, and to complain about under the guise of just being ambitious says alot about the lens that one constantly chooses to look at Fulham through. Rather than just easing off the negativity and enjoying being top 10 in the best league in the world all season so far ( and should be higher if not for stupid defensive mistakes not caused by age)...it seems some insist on finding any way to frame things that deminishes or dampens the achievement. Rather than the focus being that this transfer strategy has clearly generally been working out really well for years now with consistant profit being made on players to the point where we clearly have healthy books, no pfp dramas and that already we have begun to steadily chip away at bringing in some quality younger players as well as giving game time to our academy guys, whom already do very well in their respective leagues....it feels like a constant pursuit of finding a way to frame things badly
I like wonder kids too but they often course also come with inherent risk too.
We get it, we could buy younger but so far it's worked out perfectly well enough for us to be on target with the goal the board set out this year and I'm sure we'll continue to bring in more youth as we did in the summer, there is no impending desperate rush though. We have a nice blend of experience and some younger players but for me the transfer team deserve a healthy portion more trust at this point that they know what they're doing than they seem to be afforded by a few.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 24, 2025, 12:59:42 AMSo I'm confused, do we blame TK or Silva for giving us the 3rd oldest squad in the league?
Pretty sure it's Marco as he is the one often credited with the demand for PL experience in signings. Good young players with PL experience are generally too expensive so that leaves us with an older squad.
Quote from: btffc on January 24, 2025, 07:40:03 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 24, 2025, 12:59:42 AMSo I'm confused, do we blame TK or Silva for giving us the 3rd oldest squad in the league?
Pretty sure it's Marco as he is the one often credited with the demand for PL experience in signings. Good young players with PL experience are generally too expensive so that leaves us with an older squad.
? Hang on - Marco wanted to Keep Mitro and Palhinha, wanted to keep Carvalho - we've resigned Sess, signed Bassey, ESR, Cuenca, Muniz - all young still. Last summer we got rid of Ream, we've kept Cairney, but I think we can all see why.
Nelson has come in last summer, he's young. I don't think fans can have it all. Why is anyone apportioning blame. It's not like we've just gone on an 8 match unbeaten streak in the league and played most of the top teams in that time.. We've lost 4 or 5 games all season and arguably should've won more games.
We're not in a bad place and if we don't spend in Jan then we hopefully can spend more on bringing in quality players in the summer.
I know he was mentioned before, but what about Gimenez from Feyenoord - looks like a class striker!
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 24, 2025, 12:59:42 AMSo I'm confused, do we blame TK or Silva for giving us the 3rd oldest squad in the league?
And the Talbots.
Quote from: jayffc on January 24, 2025, 01:59:30 AMI like wonder kids too but they often of course also come with inherent risk too.
Look at all the 'wonder kids' we have allowed to slip through our fingers... how many of them have gone on to set the world alight?... people cried when these youngsters left, but apart from one getting the odd cup game at Liverpool, all the others have struggled. Would they have had better career's staying at Fulham?....
Also, if we had bought three or four youngsters who then didn't make it, that would have been used as a stick to beat the recruitment team with,.. damned either way..
COYW
So, any transfer news except Royal?
Quote from: Jeroen on January 24, 2025, 08:26:47 AMI know he was mentioned before, but what about Gimenez from Feyenoord - looks like a class striker!
Of all the frankly pretty poor options for 'a striker who is going to guarantee 20 goals a season' he does look one of the better ones. Had a massive season last season and all talk of £50 million. Perhaps telling that no one stumped that up however?
This year been out with an injury for a bit but still a very decent record when played although not as good and value seems to have dropped a little. As per his goals the other night in the champions league a very good finisher and still only 23. Does seem to fit the profile of a loan 9 who is decent at holding up play from the few bits I've seen.
On the negative side doesn't look particularly quick but perhaps not needed in our system as Raul/Muniz aren't. More importantly how many strikers have banged in goals in Holland and have them done nothing here as different levels? Tonnes. To note his record for México as well at a higher level...4 goals and a goal every 404 minutes! Worrying. I don't watch México internationals but assuming with Raul playing he is keeping him out of the team?? Perhaps on current ability have the better striker already then.
Raul isn't getting any younger however and at the right price potential replacement? Another risk but at 23 a lot of potential so defo worth a look I reckon if we could get him for £30 to £35 million. Prob loads of competition at that price although as I say no one seemed to bite last summer so who knows. Perhaps if he has a good relationship with Raul he might put in a good word.
Personally I'd rather we kept Raul for another year and our scouting team tried to find a cheaper gem with potential as the 3rd striker in a 3 with the hope they become 1 or 2. Incredibly difficult as all clubs looking for that and very few about but always a worry dropping 35 million on someone scoring in the Eredivise as often doesn't translate to the prem. Defo wouldn't be complaining however if we got him and would be an exciting signing for sure.
The average age of the squad the club have kept us safe in the PL I'm sure they would argue and I agree with that view.
Quote from: General on January 24, 2025, 07:53:13 AMQuote from: btffc on January 24, 2025, 07:40:03 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 24, 2025, 12:59:42 AMSo I'm confused, do we blame TK or Silva for giving us the 3rd oldest squad in the league?
Pretty sure it's Marco as he is the one often credited with the demand for PL experience in signings. Good young players with PL experience are generally too expensive so that leaves us with an older squad.
? Hang on - Marco wanted to Keep Mitro and Palhinha, wanted to keep Carvalho - we've resigned Sess, signed Bassey, ESR, Cuenca, Muniz - all young still. Last summer we got rid of Ream, we've kept Cairney, but I think we can all see why.
Nelson has come in last summer, he's young. I don't think fans can have it all. Why is anyone apportioning blame. It's not like we've just gone on an 8 match unbeaten streak in the league and played most of the top teams in that time.. We've lost 4 or 5 games all season and arguably should've won more games.
We're not in a bad place and if we don't spend in Jan then we hopefully can spend more on bringing in quality players in the summer.
For a club of our size and in our position. It's experience players that have helped keep us in the Premier League as well as enabling us to be placed comfortably in the Division, and we are still in the FA Cup.
Unfortunately at the moment we cannot have our cake and eat it.
Just have to build on it.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 24, 2025, 12:59:42 AMSo I'm confused, do we blame TK or Silva for giving us the 3rd oldest squad in the league?
I'm sure your post is tongue in cheek, but if we're on the cusp of one of our best, if not best Prem season ever, should we really be blaming anyone? Surely we should be thanking them?
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2025, 10:26:58 AMQuote from: Jeroen on January 24, 2025, 08:26:47 AMI know he was mentioned before, but what about Gimenez from Feyenoord - looks like a class striker!
Of all the frankly pretty poor options for 'a striker who is going to guarantee 20 goals a season' he does look one of the better ones. Had a massive season last season and all talk of £50 million. Perhaps telling that no one stumped that up however?
This year been out with an injury for a bit but still a very decent record when played although not as good and value seems to have dropped a little. As per his goals the other night in the champions league a very good finisher and still only 23. Does seem to fit the profile of a loan 9 who is decent at holding up play from the few bits I've seen.
On the negative side doesn't look particularly quick but perhaps not needed in our system as Raul/Muniz aren't. More importantly how many strikers have banged in goals in Holland and have them done nothing here as different levels? Tonnes. To note his record for México as well at a higher level...4 goals and a goal every 404 minutes! Worrying. I don't watch México internationals but assuming with Raul playing he is keeping him out of the team?? Perhaps on current ability have the better striker already then.
Raul isn't getting any younger however and at the right price potential replacement? Another risk but at 23 a lot of potential so defo worth a look I reckon if we could get him for £30 to £35 million. Prob loads of competition at that price although as I say no one seemed to bite last summer so who knows. Perhaps if he has a good relationship with Raul he might put in a good word.
Personally I'd rather we kept Raul for another year and our scouting team tried to find a cheaper gem with potential as the 3rd striker in a 3 with the hope they become 1 or 2. Incredibly difficult as all clubs looking for that and very few about but always a worry dropping 35 million on someone scoring in the Eredivise as often doesn't translate to the prem. Defo wouldn't be complaining however if we got him and would be an exciting signing for sure.
I'd pushed hard for Pavlidis on here for a long while, when he was playing in the Netherlands. He's gone to Benfica and doing ok there, including a midweek hat trick v Barca. He went to Benfica for 18m euros, a bit of a bargain IMO. Just because you score in a certain league shouldn't discount you from scoring in any other league.
Giminez is probably out of our range now- 50m+, other clubs would be ahead of us in securing him and his scoring rate is on a par with Pavlidis, though not as good as Raul at International level. I like him, think he's classy but I thought Ruiz was the business when we got him too.
Quote from: Jim© on January 24, 2025, 01:08:20 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2025, 10:26:58 AMQuote from: Jeroen on January 24, 2025, 08:26:47 AMI know he was mentioned before, but what about Gimenez from Feyenoord - looks like a class striker!
Of all the frankly pretty poor options for 'a striker who is going to guarantee 20 goals a season' he does look one of the better ones. Had a massive season last season and all talk of £50 million. Perhaps telling that no one stumped that up however?
This year been out with an injury for a bit but still a very decent record when played although not as good and value seems to have dropped a little. As per his goals the other night in the champions league a very good finisher and still only 23. Does seem to fit the profile of a loan 9 who is decent at holding up play from the few bits I've seen.
On the negative side doesn't look particularly quick but perhaps not needed in our system as Raul/Muniz aren't. More importantly how many strikers have banged in goals in Holland and have them done nothing here as different levels? Tonnes. To note his record for México as well at a higher level...4 goals and a goal every 404 minutes! Worrying. I don't watch México internationals but assuming with Raul playing he is keeping him out of the team?? Perhaps on current ability have the better striker already then.
Raul isn't getting any younger however and at the right price potential replacement? Another risk but at 23 a lot of potential so defo worth a look I reckon if we could get him for £30 to £35 million. Prob loads of competition at that price although as I say no one seemed to bite last summer so who knows. Perhaps if he has a good relationship with Raul he might put in a good word.
Personally I'd rather we kept Raul for another year and our scouting team tried to find a cheaper gem with potential as the 3rd striker in a 3 with the hope they become 1 or 2. Incredibly difficult as all clubs looking for that and very few about but always a worry dropping 35 million on someone scoring in the Eredivise as often doesn't translate to the prem. Defo wouldn't be complaining however if we got him and would be an exciting signing for sure.
I'd pushed hard for Pavlidis on here for a long while, when he was playing in the Netherlands. He's gone to Benfica and doing ok there, including a midweek hat trick v Barca. He went to Benfica for 18m euros, a bit of a bargain IMO. Just because you score in a certain league shouldn't discount you from scoring in any other league.
Giminez is probably out of our range now- 50m+, other clubs would be ahead of us in securing him and his scoring rate is on a par with Pavlidis, though not as good as Raul at International level. I like him, think he's classy but I thought Ruiz was the business when we got him too.
Mate I was banging the Pavlidis drum myself!! A little older but way cheaper and as you say almost identical scoring rate last year. For whatever reason didn't seem like we fancied him as zero rumours but who knows behind the scenes.
Having said that my concern with him as Giminez was it does seem like so many score in the Eredivise but struggle elsewhere. He only has 4 goals in Liga Portugal this year in 18 games at a goal every 324 minutes. Weirdly much better record in the Champions league but 3 from one game the other night of course so a one off game. Not then on league form doing very well and nowhere near as good as Muniz/Raul s record this year in a much better league. Giminez is a huge risk then at £35 to £50 million but as I say prob one of the better options out there for big money if we are going to take the gamble.
i don't understand the complaints about our squad age, almost the entire squad are at their peak. I reckon this is part of the reason why we are doing well in the league...all of the 5 signings this summer were also aged 24-28 (average 25), keep that going and age will not be an issue. Also, this does not include Sess 24, Cuenca 25, King 18, Muniz 23, Nelson 25 and Godo 21.
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Back on for van Ewijk - https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/fulham-fc-milan-van-ewijk-transfer-news-b1207004.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/fulham-fc-milan-van-ewijk-transfer-news-b1207004.html)
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He is an exciting one for sure. Not watched any Coventry directly but read a bit on Coventrys forums and from the pages I read very positive. Stats and clips videos looks excellent going forward. Actually moves a bit like Robinson in my opinion. The worry would be defensively at prem level but fingers crossed Timmy stays fit and this guy can develop if we can pull it off. Could be a great option to bring on if we need a goal if we can get him.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2025, 04:54:20 PMQuote from: Matt10 on January 24, 2025, 04:46:14 PMBack on for van Ewijk - https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/fulham-fc-milan-van-ewijk-transfer-news-b1207004.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/fulham-fc-milan-van-ewijk-transfer-news-b1207004.html)
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He is an exciting one for sure. Not watched any Coventry directly but read a bit on Coventrys forums and from the pages I read very positive. Stats and clips videos looks excellent going forward. Actually moves a bit like Robinson in my opinion. The worry would be defensively at prem level but fingers crossed Timmy stays fit and this guy can develop if we can pull it off. Could be a great option to bring on if we need a goal if we can get him.
I follow Haji Wright, who's been injured lately, but earlier in the season I was able to tune into a lot of van Ewijk under Mark Robins more than most recent Lampard. You're right, he moves just like Robinson, gets up the pitch just like him as well. I think this would lay the groundwork for a 3/5 backline as van Ewijk has been primarily in those positions. The thought of having that quality threat on both wings is definitely intriguing. I think we should push hard for his signing.
Just been chatting with a Coventry fan on X. Reckons he's the best right back in the championship and drops 7 or 8's out of 10 minimum every week. Reckons he's good enough defensively. Said his best two games were against Wolves and Man United.
As much as I would have understood if the club went for Royal's experience with only Tim at RB this one is way more exciting. Really hope it's true and we can pull it off.
Quote from: Jim© on January 24, 2025, 01:02:06 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 24, 2025, 12:59:42 AMSo I'm confused, do we blame TK or Silva for giving us the 3rd oldest squad in the league?
I'm sure your post is tongue in cheek, but if we're on the cusp of one of our best, if not best Prem season ever, should we really be blaming anyone? Surely we should be thanking them?
Absolutely zero chance of this being our best PL season ever on any metric.
But nonetheless yes it was tongue in cheek. We all know Silva is the main driving force on transfer nowadays, so for all his talents, I still blame him for this particular failing.
Insert face palm emoji
The tone of it 😅
The guy said "one of"...which he's right, deserves credit and enjoyment. And just saying something over and over with no actual evidence doesn't make it so. You personally think that though, and that's fine, I'm just glad our transfer team work well together.
Anyway....
this Coventry lad looks good, not watched much of him outside highlights but might take a gander if he plays this weekend. With royal off the table the rumours seem to point his way but doubt he'd be cheap given his age so if making such an outlay you'd think that really would signal the end of contract talks with Tete. Hope he gets back from injury soon so if it's to be, we can enjoy a few more games of him and send him off with the reception he deserves. Will be a real sad day when he moves on. Love me some King Kenny
Metric with a chance...
Our best ever points tally = 53
This years run rate (33/22) x 38 = 57
::thumb::
The failings are a bit overwhelming ::cry::
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2025, 07:04:35 PMMetric with a chance...
Our best ever points tally = 53
This years run rate (33/22) x 38 = 57
::thumb::
The failings are a bit overwhelming ::cry::
Also IF we maintained our current scoring average we're projected to score 59 goals according to chat gpt...passing our previous record of 55. We might not of course...
But there's a reasonable metric that's not unreasonable to believe possible... much failure who can we blame for this.
Of course if you extrapolate the negative bond and quadruple the bi focal lenses to enhance anti rose tinting by 420% you'll actually see that because games are longer we've technically scored less and so everything is actually sh** really.
Quote from: jayffc on January 24, 2025, 08:20:53 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2025, 07:04:35 PMMetric with a chance...
Our best ever points tally = 53
This years run rate (33/22) x 38 = 57
::thumb::
The failings are a bit overwhelming ::cry::
Also IF we maintained our current scoring average we're projected to score 59 goals according to chat gpt...passing our previous record of 55. We might not of course...
But there's a reasonable metric that's not unreasonable to believe possible... much failure who can we blame for this.
Of course if you extrapolate the negative bond and quadruple the bi focal lenses to enhance anti rose tinting by 420% you'll actually see that because games are longer we've technically scored less and so everything is actually sh** really.
Genuine question (since there are no actual transfers to talk about)...
Why do my posts trigger you so much?
I've never insulted your character.
Nor anyone at the club's.
Going stick my neck out and speculate I've been a supporter as long as the average on here.
Post plenty of positive comments too.
Even the post of mine you're replying to here was, whilst admittedly a bit of a WUM post, nonetheless only a minor, factual criticism balanced against a broader positive acknowledgement of "Silva's talents".
The criticisms are always explained with objective reasoning and driven by facts.
But any negative post/element triggers a lengthy, passionate shut-down.
Why do you think that is?
Is it a personal endeavour on your part to see the club avoid any public criticism/challenge?
A personal vendetta against Angus Telford?
One thing is certain we wik be in PL next season
Kyle walker has just signed with AC Milan. Fulham related because he'd be competing with, or taking the spot of Emerson Royal. Which potentially adds to the flames.
Quote from: General on January 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMKyle walker has just signed with AC Milan. Fulham related because he'd be competing with, or taking the spot of Emerson Royal. Which potentially adds to the flames.
We dropped out for Royal when he did his hamstring the other night. They were trying to move him because Walker was coming in then they stupidly played him, he pulled his hamstring and now he's out two months and they are stuck with him and without the ~£10m they would have gotten from us or Galatasaray.
Quote from: btffc on January 24, 2025, 10:06:25 PMQuote from: General on January 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMKyle walker has just signed with AC Milan. Fulham related because he'd be competing with, or taking the spot of Emerson Royal. Which potentially adds to the flames.
We dropped out for Royal when he did his hamstring the other night. They were trying to move him because Walker was coming in then they stupidly played him, he pulled his hamstring and now he's out two months and they are stuck with him and without the ~£10m they would have gotten from us or Galatasaray.
Wonder if royal is acting up to keep himself at the club.
Quote from: General on January 24, 2025, 10:49:15 PMQuote from: btffc on January 24, 2025, 10:06:25 PMQuote from: General on January 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMKyle walker has just signed with AC Milan. Fulham related because he'd be competing with, or taking the spot of Emerson Royal. Which potentially adds to the flames.
We dropped out for Royal when he did his hamstring the other night. They were trying to move him because Walker was coming in then they stupidly played him, he pulled his hamstring and now he's out two months and they are stuck with him and without the ~£10m they would have gotten from us or Galatasaray.
Wonder if royal is acting up to keep himself at the club.
They would have done a scan and seen the damage. You can't really fake a major injury like that.
Can't see why he would want to fake an injury to stay at a club that's just bought someone to replace him.
I like the idea of the Coventry right back so fingers crossed.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 24, 2025, 09:11:41 PMQuote from: jayffc on January 24, 2025, 08:20:53 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 24, 2025, 07:04:35 PMMetric with a chance...
Our best ever points tally = 53
This years run rate (33/22) x 38 = 57
::thumb::
The failings are a bit overwhelming ::cry::
Also IF we maintained our current scoring average we're projected to score 59 goals according to chat gpt...passing our previous record of 55. We might not of course...
But there's a reasonable metric that's not unreasonable to believe possible... much failure who can we blame for this.
Of course if you extrapolate the negative bond and quadruple the bi focal lenses to enhance anti rose tinting by 420% you'll actually see that because games are longer we've technically scored less and so everything is actually sh** really.
Genuine question (since there are no actual transfers to talk about)...
Why do my posts trigger you so much?
I've never insulted your character.
Nor anyone at the club's.
Going stick my neck out and speculate I've been a supporter as long as the average on here.
Post plenty of positive comments too.
Even the post of mine you're replying to here was, whilst admittedly a bit of a WUM post, nonetheless only a minor, factual criticism balanced against a broader positive acknowledgement of "Silva's talents".
The criticisms are always explained with objective reasoning and driven by facts.
But any negative post/element triggers a lengthy, passionate shut-down.
Why do you think that is?
Is it a personal endeavour on your part to see the club avoid any public criticism/challenge?
A personal vendetta against Angus Telford?
"I've never insulted your character."
Hard to read past that to be honest because that's immediately a flat out lie, you've been rude and insulting so many times over a long period of time now and then act like its come out of nowhere and you're just an innocent party and there's some agenda against you.
This is textbook gaslighting and it's an ongoing pattern that I'm far from alone in noticing at this point...be Inflammatory in tone, state opinions like they're facts , 9/10 it's finding any way to make things negative...and then play puppy dog eyes innocent victim (who little old me?) when people respond in kind with the tone you put out.
As for the assertion the arguments are fact based...again. sorry, sometimes sure, ...but on the specific fundamental underlying opinion and outlook that seems to form the bases of most of why you post, you continue to throw out opinion dressed as fact or move goal posts etc.
It rubs people up the wrong way and it just happens I'm the one who often calls it out. There are plenty people here that question decisions or pass critique but present it in such a way that it doesn't enduce the feedback you provoke and so receive.
Anyway if you wanna talk about it more DMs are open , but the last thing this thread needs is more circling on this between us. You made knowingly inflammatory comments and people gave it back. You'll be fine.
Quote from: Kingjay81 on January 24, 2025, 11:05:47 PMCan't see why he would want to fake an injury to stay at a club that's just bought someone to replace him.
I like the idea of the Coventry right back so fingers crossed.
Yeh looks decent , as we play Sunday I think I'll give their game Vs Watford a watch if i can get a stream
Quote from: jayffc on January 25, 2025, 12:24:02 AMAnyway if you wanna talk about it more DMs are open
Ok - why didn't you DM me this then?
I didn't say I was hurt, just genuinely intrigued by the effort/passion you put into stopping critical analysis.
By all means show me where I've insulted your character.
On the basis that you can't, I'll leave it there.
Surely best if you just block me going forward, and i'll reciprocate.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 25, 2025, 01:41:17 AMQuote from: jayffc on January 25, 2025, 12:24:02 AMAnyway if you wanna talk about it more DMs are open
Ok - why didn't you DM me this then?
I didn't say I was hurt, just genuinely intrigued.
By all means show me where I've insulted your character.
On the basis that you can't, I'll leave it there.
Surely best if you just block me going forward.
I responded to your message, and then opened the offer.
I've had numerous DMs at this point about exactly this matter, from the many good people of this board whove reached out in support over my time here now reading such exchanges....which I've been grateful for tbh. Even if those people didn't feel compelled or have the energy to enter into exchanges themselves. No one's gonna spend endless hours trawling through thousands of your messages to deliver you each example and then circle on that, be real here. It's been patently obvious to many and so I'm at plenty at peace with that
As for blocking . Done
neither of you get points for having the last word by the way.
So glad Royal has picked up an injury, terrible player that probably would have meant the end to Tete past this season. Like a few others i'd love for us to be dipping into the Champ or at least dropping the age profile of the squad
Well popping in here for a catch up on transfer news was an edifying read...
Quote from: elgreenio on January 25, 2025, 06:02:01 AMneither of you get points for having the last word by the way.
So glad Royal has picked up an injury, terrible player that probably would have meant the end to Tete past this season. Like a few others i'd love for us to be dipping into the Champ or at least dropping the age profile of the squad
I'm sad to say this is 100% Tete's last season with us. His contract runs out this summer and if he wanted to stay he would've signed a new contract ages ago.
Quote from: demeant0r on January 25, 2025, 09:52:52 AMQuote from: elgreenio on January 25, 2025, 06:02:01 AMneither of you get points for having the last word by the way.
So glad Royal has picked up an injury, terrible player that probably would have meant the end to Tete past this season. Like a few others i'd love for us to be dipping into the Champ or at least dropping the age profile of the squad
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I tend to agree contract might have been signed by now? Still outside chance but looking less likely. Power with the player & agent in these situations.
Quote from: demeant0r on January 25, 2025, 09:52:52 AMQuote from: elgreenio on January 25, 2025, 06:02:01 AMneither of you get points for having the last word by the way.
So glad Royal has picked up an injury, terrible player that probably would have meant the end to Tete past this season. Like a few others i'd love for us to be dipping into the Champ or at least dropping the age profile of the squad
I'm sad to say this is 100% Tete's last season with us. His contract runs out this summer and if he wanted to stay he would've signed a new contract ages ago.
Finding it a bit frustrating no one wants to stay! We all know that Tete is one of the best right backs in the league and criminally underrated. Sure the club/Marco are desperate for him to stay so must be his decision.
A little weird that so few seem to want to stay. You can see how happy they all are. They all talk about what a great place it is to be, how much they love Marco and that we are constantly improving yet most have wanted to go. Why? I suppose just pure individual circumstances:
Mitro - money grabber
Joao - who turns down Bayern
Tosin - thought he was above our level
Willian - still can't quite work out what was going through his mind and look at him now scratching around for a club
BDR - I believe Leicester offered a longer contract and prob more playing time so fair do s I suppose at the end of your career
Kebano - Saudi money for someone who was prob never on massive wages so fair play
Tete - can only guess he has dreams of finishing his career back in Holland - fair enough I suppose but gutting
Really only Robinson and Reed that have resigned is it? Thank god for Robbo!
Not a great hit rate then but as I say very specific reasons so just one of those things I think. Absolutely gutted about Tete but certainly doesn't look good. Let's hope his replacement whoever that ends up being flies.
Its a football club, people come and people go.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 25, 2025, 11:38:09 AMQuote from: demeant0r on January 25, 2025, 09:52:52 AMQuote from: elgreenio on January 25, 2025, 06:02:01 AMneither of you get points for having the last word by the way.
So glad Royal has picked up an injury, terrible player that probably would have meant the end to Tete past this season. Like a few others i'd love for us to be dipping into the Champ or at least dropping the age profile of the squad
I'm sad to say this is 100% Tete's last season with us. His contract runs out this summer and if he wanted to stay he would've signed a new contract ages ago.
Finding it a bit frustrating no one wants to stay! We all know that Tete is one of the best right backs in the league and criminally underrated. Sure the club/Marco are desperate for him to stay so must be his decision.
A little weird that so few seem to want to stay. You can see how happy they all are. They all talk about what a great place it is to be, how much they love Marco and that we are constantly improving yet most have wanted to go. Why? I suppose just pure individual circumstances:
Mitro - money grabber
Joao - who turns down Bayern
Tosin - thought he was above our level
Willian - still can't quite work out what was going through his mind and look at him now scratching around for a club
BDR - I believe Leicester offered a longer contract and prob more playing time so fair do s I suppose at the end of your career
Kebano - Saudi money for someone who was prob never on massive wages so fair play
Tete - can only guess he has dreams of finishing his career back in Holland - fair enough I suppose but gutting
Really only Robinson and Reed that have resigned is it? Thank god for Robbo!
Not a great hit rate then but as I say very specific reasons so just one of those things I think. Absolutely gutted about Tete but certainly doesn't look good. Let's hope his replacement whoever that ends up being flies.
Good players with a year or less to go on contract are being advised not to sign any contract their parent club are offering. With no transfer fee to pay just negotiations of wages. Levy of Tottenham is renowned for doing this but his not alone dare say it we might have done the same somewhere along the line. Mentioned previously it's all stacked in players/agents favour. With Tete it might be our basic wage is better than say eg Ajax but quite possible they are offering a year or two longer contract as not having to pay transfer whereas Fulham are looking at no sell on value if they give him a longer contract at his age? Possibly different circumstances for foreign players though with one eye on returning home if children/s schooling etc not an issue?
Yeah good point mate. In players interests to not resign as with no transfer fee can get the best deal possible. You never know with Tete but if we sign a perm in Jan rather than a loan pretty much confirms it I would have thought. God save the King. Sad times.
Sadly players who stay at a club for 10+ years is getting rarer by the year, though in saying that we've had two in recent years who've stayed for a decade or longer (Ream and TC).
It's very confusing when people say resigned (leaving) when they mean re-signed (staying).
Quote from: demeant0r on January 25, 2025, 02:53:19 PMSadly players who stay at a club for 10+ years is getting rarer by the year, though in saying that we've had two in recent years who've stayed for a decade or longer (Ream and TC).
Yes and if there is a semblance of truth regarding the salaries of the players ( see other thread ) loyalty doesn't pay ( TC salary)
JayFFC and Angus Telford,
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Money talks of course and can talk loudly with the support of an agent.
But also players would like to win a Trophy to show for their efforts.
Quote from: love4ffc on January 25, 2025, 06:57:54 PMJayFFC and Angus Telford,
I hope you both are doing well. As mods, we would think it would be obvious that we do not like responding to forum members who are openly quarreling. We prefer the matter to be discussed privately through DMs and not aired out in public and become a distraction for other members.
As mentioned in your discussions, ignoring and blocking the other is a great option and one that we hope you will do going forward.
Hey, as mentioned it'd already been done my end 👍🏽 it's been years of this and I'm as over it as I'm sure others are.
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1883490140905255161
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 26, 2025, 12:56:21 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1883490140905255161
Translation
Update: the distance is between #Lazio and #Chelsea, and it is important, with the Biancocelesti who have not improved the offer in the last two days. Chelsea adamant at the moment. The player has already defined everything with Lazio and his desire is to wear the Biancocelesti shirt. In the last few hours there has been a survey of Fulham and especially Bournemouth.
https://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1883637759304438185
Just get rid of him, he's been crap for ages and doesn't offer anything except pressing anymore. £20m goes a long way to improving some of our deficiencies
Agreed
We really need that Mitro replacement we've been promised. Or better yet just get him back, for the love of god.
Paul Pogba on a free transfer would you take him and Willian till the end of the season. I definitely would.
Our season is at risk of petering out, our attack is getting increasingly blunter and we could finish lower than last season. One or two attacking signings are needed to shake things up.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 26, 2025, 10:08:11 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1883637759304438185
Just get rid of him, he's been crap for ages and doesn't offer anything except pressing anymore. £20m goes a long way to improving some of our deficiencies
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 26, 2025, 10:08:11 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1883637759304438185
Just get rid of him, he's been crap for ages and doesn't offer anything except pressing anymore. £20m goes a long way to improving some of our deficiencies
It would not surprise me if Pereira goes before window closes. The rumblings have been ongoing for a few months. I would imagine ESR was bought in as his successor last summer. On his day good footballer but never an elite midfielder.
Marco Silva also using Berge & Lukic with the latter now fit a bit of a giveaway that Pereira not seen to be able to start in front of either of them or an out of form Smith-Rowe.
I would no longer be unhappy if Raul left for a decent fee, it's all got rather messy for him this season. However we really do need one or two high quality attacking signings whether loans or perms. We have struggled all season to open up poor teams and Man U were no exception.
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 27, 2025, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 26, 2025, 10:08:11 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1883637759304438185
Just get rid of him, he's been crap for ages and doesn't offer anything except pressing anymore. £20m goes a long way to improving some of our deficiencies
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 26, 2025, 10:08:11 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1883637759304438185
Just get rid of him, he's been crap for ages and doesn't offer anything except pressing anymore. £20m goes a long way to improving some of our deficiencies
It would not surprise me if Pereira goes before window closes. The rumblings have been ongoing for a few months. I would imagine ESR was bought in as his successor last summer. On his day good footballer but never an elite midfielder.
Marco Silva also using Berge & Lukic with the latter now fit a bit of a giveaway that Pereira not seen to be able to start in front of either of them or an out of form Smith-Rowe.
Meant to add should he leave the worrying issue is he is by far the best set piece player we have currently. We are not renown for scoring from free kicks or corners and that could decrease further which is a concern.
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 27, 2025, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 26, 2025, 10:08:11 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1883637759304438185
Just get rid of him, he's been crap for ages and doesn't offer anything except pressing anymore. £20m goes a long way to improving some of our deficiencies
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 26, 2025, 10:08:11 PMhttps://twitter.com/jackellyffc/status/1883637759304438185
Just get rid of him, he's been crap for ages and doesn't offer anything except pressing anymore. £20m goes a long way to improving some of our deficiencies
It would not surprise me if Pereira goes before window closes. The rumblings have been ongoing for a few months. I would imagine ESR was bought in as his successor last summer. On his day good footballer but never an elite midfielder.
Marco Silva also using Berge & Lukic with the latter now fit a bit of a giveaway that Pereira not seen to be able to start in front of either of them or an out of form Smith-Rowe.
I'm a big supporter of Pereira, but I have to agree. He's not had the quality from previous seasons and he's had plenty of time very recently to make a difference. I think he played better with ESR as two-8's on the pitch, but that's not possible with Lukic and Berge occupying the double pivot. I think TC has moved into that 10 role behind ESR in the depth, which leaves Pereira to be put in for certain game situations like yesterday.
I think he is the best for making key passes and creativity, but the end result is going to catch up with him. If Andersen scores the header yesterday that's a lot of credit to Pereira's crossing quality, but it didn't go in, so it's not really talked about. Marco usually says he doesn't want to lose anyone in January, so maybe Pereira can take advantage of the few more minutes he will take part in, but he's definitely closer to the fringe player category more than he was at the start of the season.
Quote from: Twig on January 27, 2025, 02:05:29 PMI would no longer be unhappy if Raul left for a decent fee, it's all got rather messy for him this season. However we really do need one or two high quality attacking signings whether loans or perms. We have struggled all season to open up poor teams and Man U were no exception.
Can't see anyone paying us for him, he'll be 34 at the end of the season with only 12 months on his contract - that's if we exercise our option extend. He's reportedly our highest paid outfield player. IMO a new first choice striker is an absolute must, and if we do that, and keep Muniz, my view/expectation would be that we just let Raul go this summer.
Personally think we need a bit of a clear out across the team - Jiminez, Perreira and Tete for sure, probably time to let Reed go, and accept that Cairney won't play much. Hopefully all replaced with much younger players.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 27, 2025, 02:18:56 PMQuote from: Twig on January 27, 2025, 02:05:29 PMI would no longer be unhappy if Raul left for a decent fee, it's all got rather messy for him this season. However we really do need one or two high quality attacking signings whether loans or perms. We have struggled all season to open up poor teams and Man U were no exception.
Can't see anyone paying us for him, he'll be 34 at the end of the season with only 12 months on his contract - that's if we exercise our option extend. He's reportedly our highest paid outfield player. IMO a new first choice striker is an absolute must, and if we do that, and keep Muniz, my view/expectation would be that we just let Raul go this summer.
Personally think we need a bit of a clear out across the team - Jiminez, Perreira and Tete for sure, probably time to let Reed go, and accept that Cairney won't play much. Hopefully all replaced with much younger players.
I'd keep Reed and Tete. Lukic and Berge were excellent yesterday but to get rid of Reed thinking that neither will ever lose form or get injured would be a risk in my mind. I think Harrison is off-form coming back from his injury but I have faith he'll get back to his best which, for me, means he is worth keeping. Tete I'd also hang on to. Again, him and Castagne fighting for the RB slot is healthy in my opinion.
Time waits for no man and I think Tom Cairney will play less and less a role going forward. Pereira should move on and we need someone better than ESR in the AM role with ESR and TC as cover.
The desperate need is of course a centre-forward...but we'll face very stiff competition on anyone proven at premier League level
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 27, 2025, 02:18:56 PMQuote from: Twig on January 27, 2025, 02:05:29 PMI would no longer be unhappy if Raul left for a decent fee, it's all got rather messy for him this season. However we really do need one or two high quality attacking signings whether loans or perms. We have struggled all season to open up poor teams and Man U were no exception.
Can't see anyone paying us for him, he'll be 34 at the end of the season with only 12 months on his contract - that's if we exercise our option extend. He's reportedly our highest paid outfield player. IMO a new first choice striker is an absolute must, and if we do that, and keep Muniz, my view/expectation would be that we just let Raul go this summer.
Personally think we need a bit of a clear out across the team - Jiminez, Perreira and Tete for sure, probably time to let Reed go, and accept that Cairney won't play much. Hopefully all replaced with much younger players.
Yes you might be right about not getting a fee, I suppose I was hoping for £3 or 4m but that might be wishful thinking.
As for AP I would definitely prefer to see him leave, this has been a poor season for him both on and off the field. Given that, unlike Raul, AP certainly should command a fee I want to see that money go towards our attacking capabilities.
Quote from: roberto w6 on January 27, 2025, 08:30:09 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on January 27, 2025, 02:18:56 PMQuote from: Twig on January 27, 2025, 02:05:29 PMI would no longer be unhappy if Raul left for a decent fee, it's all got rather messy for him this season. However we really do need one or two high quality attacking signings whether loans or perms. We have struggled all season to open up poor teams and Man U were no exception.
Can't see anyone paying us for him, he'll be 34 at the end of the season with only 12 months on his contract - that's if we exercise our option extend. He's reportedly our highest paid outfield player. IMO a new first choice striker is an absolute must, and if we do that, and keep Muniz, my view/expectation would be that we just let Raul go this summer.
Personally think we need a bit of a clear out across the team - Jiminez, Perreira and Tete for sure, probably time to let Reed go, and accept that Cairney won't play much. Hopefully all replaced with much younger players.
I'd keep Reed and Tete. Lukic and Berge were excellent yesterday but to get rid of Reed thinking that neither will ever lose form or get injured would be a risk in my mind. I think Harrison is off-form coming back from his injury but I have faith he'll get back to his best which, for me, means he is worth keeping. Tete I'd also hang on to. Again, him and Castagne fighting for the RB slot is healthy in my opinion.
Time waits for no man and I think Tom Cairney will play less and less a role going forward. Pereira should move on and we need someone better than ESR in the AM role with ESR and TC as cover.
The desperate need is of course a centre-forward...but we'll face very stiff competition on anyone proven at premier League level
I'd also keep Tete but from what others have said up the thread it sounds like we don't have that choice, he's off
I'd be genuinely surprised if anyone actively wanted to see Tete go. It does sound as though he might have decided to leave, but surely we'd all rather he elect to stay? Still our best RB in my opinion and I don't think that's a very contentious statement?
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 27, 2025, 02:18:56 PMQuote from: Twig on January 27, 2025, 02:05:29 PMI would no longer be unhappy if Raul left for a decent fee, it's all got rather messy for him this season. However we really do need one or two high quality attacking signings whether loans or perms. We have struggled all season to open up poor teams and Man U were no exception.
Can't see anyone paying us for him, he'll be 34 at the end of the season with only 12 months on his contract - that's if we exercise our option extend. He's reportedly our highest paid outfield player. IMO a new first choice striker is an absolute must, and if we do that, and keep Muniz, my view/expectation would be that we just let Raul go this summer.
Personally think we need a bit of a clear out across the team - Jiminez, Perreira and Tete for sure, probably time to let Reed go, and accept that Cairney won't play much. Hopefully all replaced with much younger players.
I wouldn't let Tete go. I hope the club does everything they can to keep him on. Don't see a reason why he would be a part of the clear out you mention.
Raul, I probably agree. He' s not getting any younger and it makes no sense to have 3 first team strikers as we pretty much never play with two strikers, even when chasing games. Get another, younger, striker to compete with Muniz, and use a youth striker as an emergency 3rd option (role Vini currently plays).
I wouldn't be against letting Reed go, as it seems like Marco barely uses him nowadays. Get another, younger, midfielder in to replace him.
Pererira - if we can get a decent fee for him, then I wouldn't be completely against it. Of course we'd need to replace him too.
Cairney - I'd probably keep him for another season.
via BBC
St Johnstone have rejected two bids from Fulham for 16-year-old Scottish forward Brodie Dair. (The Courier)
Would you take the Ox (Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain)
Would cost barely anything? Could end up with an ex Arsenal midfield
Quote from: fulhamfever on January 28, 2025, 07:20:17 AMWould you take the Ox (Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain)
Would cost barely anything? Could end up with an ex Arsenal midfield
Not getting much game time in Turkey, not super impressive when he does play, and he turns 32 this year.
I would've loved him a few years back, but I personally don't think he can cope at this level anymore, sadly.
Is this the most boring transfer window ever on this board. It would make most people turn to ::wine:: ::beer:: :slap: :slap: :slap:
Quote from: sarnian on January 28, 2025, 08:54:33 AMIs this the most boring transfer window ever on this board. It would make most people turn to ::wine:: ::beer:: :slap: :slap: :slap:
Makes you wonder if these transfer windows are fit for purpose? compared to the old days when you signed or loaned a player up until I think it was around middle of March. Think there's an argument that today's model is not progress!
Quote from: Twig on January 27, 2025, 09:15:15 PMI'd be genuinely surprised if anyone actively wanted to see Tete go. It does sound as though he might have decided to leave, but surely we'd all rather he elect to stay? Still our best RB in my opinion and I don't think that's a very contentious statement?
And I'd rather he was marking Gordon this weekend
Quote from: JimOG on January 28, 2025, 09:24:40 AMQuote from: Twig on January 27, 2025, 09:15:15 PMI'd be genuinely surprised if anyone actively wanted to see Tete go. It does sound as though he might have decided to leave, but surely we'd all rather he elect to stay? Still our best RB in my opinion and I don't think that's a very contentious statement?
And I'd rather he was marking Gordon this weekend
Doubt he would be available but with James back fit (how long) at Chelsea whether the lad Gusto is in there plans long term? Think he is a good aggressive type right back. We need to strengthen here as guessing Tete leaves and his a player oven ready. Would improve our backline further.
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 28, 2025, 09:22:09 AMQuote from: sarnian on January 28, 2025, 08:54:33 AMIs this the most boring transfer window ever on this board. It would make most people turn to ::wine:: ::beer:: :slap: :slap: :slap:
Makes you wonder if these transfer windows are fit for purpose? compared to the old days when you signed or loaned a player up until I think it was around middle of March. Think there's an argument that today's model is not progress!
The current model may or may not be fit for purpose but its purpose wasn't to make transferring players more entertaining. It was introduced in response to political pressure to meet international trading standards, to make it easier for UEFA to oversee the process and to aid financial stability.
https://www.givemesport.com/football-soccer-origins-of-transfer-window/
We all have subjective opinions on players and on who to retain and who to let go or sell. Inevitably we don't all agree.
For my mind there are some players we should try to keep but who for their own reasons might wish to move. Tete might fall into that category. If he wants to go home to the Netherlands and thinks his chance of regaining his international place is better at Ajax I suspect we can all understand that.
Unlike some I regard Pereira as an asset but if he wishes to go home and we get a proper fee I would sell him. Raul is a fine player but probably slowly declining. I would take an offer if possible. Reed who has been a fine servant of the club appears surplus to requirements and in his own interests should move on if possible. Traore IMO is not good enough for FFC. If an offer comes in it should be accepted and Nelson would be a significant upgrade. TC is still a class player and should have a year's extension.
All in all the summer will be important to refresh this squad. King and Godo give hope for the future.
Still a bit disappointed that we seemingly weren't in for Kayode - especially on a loan with a reasonable option deal that Brentford have negotiated.
With Tete out for another few months (and out of contract at season's end) this would have been an excellent signing
https://mozzartsport.com/fudbal/vesti/nekad-mitrovic-a-sutra-fulam-zove-dusana-jovanovica-u-premijer-ligu-partizanu-i-procenti/503282
Fulham is interested in Partizan Belgrade young striker Dušan Jovanović. He and Mitro are from the same hometown Smederevo btw.
Quote from: Mullers OG on January 28, 2025, 11:01:00 AMWe all have subjective opinions on players and on who to retain and who to let go or sell. Inevitably we don't all agree.
For my mind there are some players we should try to keep but who for their own reasons might wish to move. Tete might fall into that category. If he wants to go home to the Netherlands and thinks his chance of regaining his international place is better at Ajax I suspect we can all understand that.
Unlike some I regard Pereira as an asset but if he wishes to go home and we get a proper fee I would sell him. Raul is a fine player but probably slowly declining. I would take an offer if possible. Reed who has been a fine servant of the club appears surplus to requirements and in his own interests should move on if possible. Traore IMO is not good enough for FFC. If an offer comes in it should be accepted and Nelson would be a significant upgrade. TC is still a class player and should have a year's extension.
All in all the summer will be important to refresh this squad. King and Godo give hope for the future.
A good summation of where the club stands. Get in a new RB and keep the back 6 intact otherwise, then devote most of the other summer resources to the attacking front 4.
Obviously if Antonee leaves it changes everything, but it's probably 50/50 on which way that ends at this point.
If Kenny is leaving, I'd be tempted to see if cash-strapped Lyon would let Maitland-Niles go for cheap.
He's turned into a fairly tidy RB and can fill in at CM and LB too. He knows the ex-Arsenal boys already, and is a London lad, so you'd like to think he could be tempted by an opportunity to join us and compete for a place with Castagne.
Quote from: Pavel Dempsey on January 28, 2025, 01:14:11 PMhttps://mozzartsport.com/fudbal/vesti/nekad-mitrovic-a-sutra-fulam-zove-dusana-jovanovica-u-premijer-ligu-partizanu-i-procenti/503282
Fulham is interested in Partizan Belgrade young striker Dušan Jovanović. He and Mitro are from the same hometown Smederevo btw.
He hasn't played much yet, so it's difficult to give an estimation on how good he'll become, but I'll still try to give you some insight.
He does seems quite similar to Mitro in many ways, and his best attributes are his finishing, both with his stronger foot and with the head (his weak foot finishing needs some improvement still). He's very strong, has great movement and anticipation, decent pace, great workrate. He should improve his passing. Obviously very inexperienced and I can't imagine he'd be bought to be a 1st or 2nd option in our first team.
Here are some clips of his goals:
https://twitter.com/SerbFootyScout/status/1730199414629601492
P. S. That's one of, if not the most reliable source you can get in Serbia, so I believe the interest is genuine.
Ta SL....was eagerly awaiting your report!
Only a tiny peak but got a bit of a Mitro look about him. Certainly at 18 looks like he could be a bit of a beast in a few years as well. ::smile::
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we made a signing or two like this and kept Raul for another year to then see if said new signings or Muniz can stake a claim. I had a feeling we may do that rather than splurge a huge fee on someone scoring a lot in another country already. May not make the fan base happy but just a guess as we all know how much Marco loves Raul and Muniz. Was expecting someone a bit more proven however, but perhaps we are doing what many have been asking for and scouting who we believe is a young gem. See what happens then.
Sounds like we may have had an offer accepted for Dair for Scotland as well:
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1884232144035405907
Fingers crossed a few more King level players coming through.
If looking at right backs we could do worse than Walker Peters at Saints.
Can play LB also, contract runs out in the summer.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 28, 2025, 01:42:25 PMQuote from: Pavel Dempsey on January 28, 2025, 01:14:11 PMhttps://mozzartsport.com/fudbal/vesti/nekad-mitrovic-a-sutra-fulam-zove-dusana-jovanovica-u-premijer-ligu-partizanu-i-procenti/503282
Fulham is interested in Partizan Belgrade young striker Dušan Jovanović. He and Mitro are from the same hometown Smederevo btw.
He hasn't played much yet, so it's difficult to give an estimation on how good he'll become, but I'll still try to give you some insight.
He does seems quite similar to Mitro in many ways, and his best attributes are his finishing, both with his stronger foot and with the head (his weak foot finishing needs some improvement still). He's very strong, has great movement and anticipation, decent pace, great workrate. He should improve his passing. Obviously very inexperienced and I can't imagine he'd be bought to be a 1st or 2nd option in our first team.
Here are some clips of his goals:
https://twitter.com/SerbFootyScout/status/1730199414629601492
P. S. That's one of, if not the most reliable source you can get in Serbia, so I believe the interest is genuine.
If we're looking at Serbian forwards should we be looking closer to home ?. Mihailo Ivanovic plays for Milwall, is only 20 and has already played for the national team. He scored a decent goal against Luton at the weekend. How does this guy shape up SL ?
Please, please, please bring us a proper no.9 Fulham.
Quote from: Whitestone on January 28, 2025, 03:00:51 PMIf we're looking at Serbian forwards should we be looking closer to home ?. Mihailo Ivanovic plays for Milwall, is only 20 and has already played for the national team. He scored a decent goal against Luton at the weekend. How does this guy shape up SL ?
Very talented. In my opinion, the most talented u21 Serbian striker when it comes to his raw attributes. The problem with him is that he struggles with consistency,both in terms of his 90 minute performances and on the course of the season. He can have a series of games in which he looks like a world beater and then a series of games where he misses absolute sitters. Or even a moment of magic in a game and he does nothing right for the reminder of the game. When you look at his skill set though, he has everything. Strength, decent pace, finishing with both feet or with his head, great hold-up and link-up play, okay dribbling ability, great movement and anticipation etc. There's a reason Millwall made him their record signing. If you look at the 4 goals he scored so far this season, they've all been very different and all impressive for different reasons. I hope he can find consistency and then I think he could be our main striker in the NT in the future.
Can't see Millwall selling him under 10 million, or probably even more than that, and at the moment I think that would be too risky. Dusan Jovanovic on the other hand, would be much cheaper I'd imagine, but would have to spend some time with our youth teams/on loan before he started to contribute for our first team, I think.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 02:17:15 PMTa SL....was eagerly awaiting your report!
Only a tiny peak but got a bit of a Mitro look about him. Certainly at 18 looks like he could be a bit of a beast in a few years as well. ::smile::
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we made a signing or two like this and kept Raul for another year to then see if said new signings or Muniz can stake a claim. I had a feeling we may do that rather than splurge a huge fee on someone scoring a lot in another country already. May not make the fan base happy but just a guess as we all know how much Marco loves Raul and Muniz. Was expecting someone a bit more proven however, but perhaps we are doing what many have been asking for and scouting who we believe is a young gem. See what happens then.
Sounds like we may have had an offer accepted for Dair for Scotland as well:
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1884232144035405907
Fingers crossed a few more King level players coming through.
Not the first young Scottish wonder boy to be brought South before disappearing without making the grade. We can only hope the Dair may be the genuine article.
This article in the Athletic cites Evan Ferguson could be allowed to leave Brighton permanently
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6094219/2025/01/28/evan-ferguson-brighton-permanent-transfer/
No mention of us being one of the clubs whou could be interested however.
If Dair doesn't work out it's £150k from the quotes...around a week and a half's wage for our highest paid players. If he doesn't make the grade nothing to worry about.
Here to Dair
Gone tomorrow
Quote from: hopper on January 28, 2025, 03:49:57 PMThis article in the Athletic cites Evan Ferguson could be allowed to leave Brighton permanently
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6094219/2025/01/28/evan-ferguson-brighton-permanent-transfer/
No mention of us being one of the clubs whou could be interested however.
I honestly don't see anyone paying close to what Brighton would want for Ferguson. He had a purple patch a few years ago, but looks a shadow of that now.
I fear he's this generation's Connor Wickham...
Quote from: hopper on January 28, 2025, 03:49:57 PMThis article in the Athletic cites Evan Ferguson could be allowed to leave Brighton permanently
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6094219/2025/01/28/evan-ferguson-brighton-permanent-transfer/
No mention of us being one of the clubs whou could be interested however.
The question is what would they let him go for? I'd be taking at punt at £25 to £30 million as did look class when he burst ion the scene but what's the betting they'll want £40 or £50 million minimum. Big risk considering his injuries and form with both Raul and Muniz with better mins per goal records this season.
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 28, 2025, 04:25:03 PMQuote from: hopper on January 28, 2025, 03:49:57 PMThis article in the Athletic cites Evan Ferguson could be allowed to leave Brighton permanently
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6094219/2025/01/28/evan-ferguson-brighton-permanent-transfer/
No mention of us being one of the clubs whou could be interested however.
I honestly don't see anyone paying close to what Brighton would want for Ferguson. He had a purple patch a few years ago, but looks a shadow of that now.
I fear he's this generation's Connor Wickham...
I wonder if Everton or West Ham might be desperate enough to go to £40/£50 million. Not sure we should as a huge risk and if they want more than that considering the last few years they are living in total dreamland you would have thought.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 04:41:09 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 28, 2025, 04:25:03 PMQuote from: hopper on January 28, 2025, 03:49:57 PMThis article in the Athletic cites Evan Ferguson could be allowed to leave Brighton permanently
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6094219/2025/01/28/evan-ferguson-brighton-permanent-transfer/
No mention of us being one of the clubs whou could be interested however.
I honestly don't see anyone paying close to what Brighton would want for Ferguson. He had a purple patch a few years ago, but looks a shadow of that now.
I fear he's this generation's Connor Wickham...
I wonder if Everton or West Ham might be desperate enough to go to £40/£50 million. Not sure we should as a huge risk and if they want more than that considering the last few years they are living in total dreamland you would have thought.
I think those (or a relegation candidate) are the only possible options really. Basically, a club who's desperate and might throw money at solving their critical issues.
IMO we should steer clear of this one. Even at his peak, he was a decent poacher but technically limited in the build-up. I just don't think he's what we'd need.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 28, 2025, 03:26:22 PMQuote from: Whitestone on January 28, 2025, 03:00:51 PMIf we're looking at Serbian forwards should we be looking closer to home ?. Mihailo Ivanovic plays for Milwall, is only 20 and has already played for the national team. He scored a decent goal against Luton at the weekend. How does this guy shape up SL ?
Very talented. In my opinion, the most talented u21 Serbian striker when it comes to his raw attributes. The problem with him is that he struggles with consistency,both in terms of his 90 minute performances and on the course of the season. He can have a series of games in which he looks like a world beater and then a series of games where he misses absolute sitters. Or even a moment of magic in a game and he does nothing right for the reminder of the game. When you look at his skill set though, he has everything. Strength, decent pace, finishing with both feet or with his head, great hold-up and link-up play, okay dribbling ability, great movement and anticipation etc. There's a reason Millwall made him their record signing. If you look at the 4 goals he scored so far this season, they've all been very different and all impressive for different reasons. I hope he can find consistency and then I think he could be our main striker in the NT in the future.
Can't see Millwall selling him under 10 million, or probably even more than that, and at the moment I think that would be too risky. Dusan Jovanovic on the other hand, would be much cheaper I'd imagine, but would have to spend some time with our youth teams/on loan before he started to contribute for our first team, I think.
Thanks for the insight. I've only seen him a couple of times and he looked promising. At £2.5 million it looks like Milwall might have grabbed a bargain.
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 28, 2025, 04:50:16 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 04:41:09 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 28, 2025, 04:25:03 PMQuote from: hopper on January 28, 2025, 03:49:57 PMThis article in the Athletic cites Evan Ferguson could be allowed to leave Brighton permanently
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6094219/2025/01/28/evan-ferguson-brighton-permanent-transfer/
No mention of us being one of the clubs whou could be interested however.
I honestly don't see anyone paying close to what Brighton would want for Ferguson. He had a purple patch a few years ago, but looks a shadow of that now.
I fear he's this generation's Connor Wickham...
I wonder if Everton or West Ham might be desperate enough to go to £40/£50 million. Not sure we should as a huge risk and if they want more than that considering the last few years they are living in total dreamland you would have thought.
I think those (or a relegation candidate) are the only possible options really. Basically, a club who's desperate and might throw money at solving their critical issues.
IMO we should steer clear of this one. Even at his peak, he was a decent poacher but technically limited in the build-up. I just don't think he's what we'd need.
Agreed for that kind of money. I did really like the look of him when he burst on the scene and he could be great but the injuries alone at that kind of fee are too big a risk.
If we're going to drop that much I'd be looking at Santiago Giminez in the summer. As I've said in here before still a huge risk buying from Holland and no guarantee he'd score more than the 15 or 16 Raul is on course for but very young still and a fantastic record albeit in the Eredivise. Whether Marco/the club agrees on dropping £40 to £50 million on a striker is another matter of course.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 05:13:16 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 28, 2025, 04:50:16 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 04:41:09 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on January 28, 2025, 04:25:03 PMQuote from: hopper on January 28, 2025, 03:49:57 PMThis article in the Athletic cites Evan Ferguson could be allowed to leave Brighton permanently
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6094219/2025/01/28/evan-ferguson-brighton-permanent-transfer/
No mention of us being one of the clubs whou could be interested however.
I honestly don't see anyone paying close to what Brighton would want for Ferguson. He had a purple patch a few years ago, but looks a shadow of that now.
I fear he's this generation's Connor Wickham...
I wonder if Everton or West Ham might be desperate enough to go to £40/£50 million. Not sure we should as a huge risk and if they want more than that considering the last few years they are living in total dreamland you would have thought.
I think those (or a relegation candidate) are the only possible options really. Basically, a club who's desperate and might throw money at solving their critical issues.
IMO we should steer clear of this one. Even at his peak, he was a decent poacher but technically limited in the build-up. I just don't think he's what we'd need.
Agreed for that kind of money. I did really like the look of him when he burst on the scene and he could be great but the injuries alone at that kind of fee are too big a risk.
If we're going to drop that much I'd be looking at Santiago Giminez in the summer. As I've said in here before still a huge risk buying from Holland and no guarantee he'd score more than the 15 or 16 Raul is on course for but very young still and a fantastic record albeit in the Eredivise. Whether Marco/the club agrees on dropping £40 to £50 million on a striker is another matter of course.
Tbh I'm not entirely convinced that Gimenez is the right striker for a Marco Silva side, even though he is clearly an elite finisher right now, but for the price I couldn't agree more that he would represent very decent value compared to current Evan Ferguson!
One is a top level goalscorer, with 4 CL goals in 4 CL appearances. The other barely makes the Brighton bench and hasn't looked even half decent for two years...
Everything can change, of course, but Brighton will probably have to accept that any current sale of Ferguson would be heavily contingent on performance-based fees, and not up front cash.
Honestly everyone keeps saying why don't we just sign a striker and no one yet has suggested one for the money that seems any better than what we have got.
I'm not sure about Giminez either to be honest but prob the most promising out of very limited options if we are going to spend big. That's if he'd even come to us of course. Since no one went for him last year when he was on fire think there is a decent chance however. Could see us as a stepping stone to a massive club as still young enough. Believe he plays as a loan 9 doesn't he so would have thought he'd fit?
Been the same every window since Mitro left and why so many of us said he's completely irreplaceable. Pretty much all the ones mentioned have gone to other clubs for £25m+ and have been complete flops doing much worse than Raul/Muniz currently are. Watch us scratch around for another year and then just take Mitro back on a free the year after.
:slap:
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 28, 2025, 04:25:03 PMQuote from: hopper on January 28, 2025, 03:49:57 PMThis article in the Athletic cites Evan Ferguson could be allowed to leave Brighton permanently
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6094219/2025/01/28/evan-ferguson-brighton-permanent-transfer/
No mention of us being one of the clubs whou could be interested however.
I honestly don't see anyone paying close to what Brighton would want for Ferguson. He had a purple patch a few years ago, but looks a shadow of that now.
I fear he's this generation's Connor Wickham...
None related really but if I remember correctly Wickham's purple spell helped regulate us.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 07:00:08 PMHonestly everyone keeps saying why don't we just sign a striker and no one yet has suggested one for the money that seems any better than what we have got.
I'm not sure about Giminez either to be honest but prob the most promising out of very limited options if we are going to spend big. That's if he'd even come to us of course. Since no one went for him last year when he was on fire think there is a decent chance however. Could see us as a stepping stone to a massive club as still young enough. Believe he plays as a loan 9 doesn't he so would have thought he'd fit?
Been the same every window since Mitro left and why so many of us said he's completely irreplaceable. Pretty much all the ones mentioned have gone to other clubs for £25m+ and have been complete flops doing much worse than Raul/Muniz currently are. Watch us scratch around for another year and then just take Mitro back on a free the year after.
:slap:
Personally, I think an ideal Marco centre forward is quick, strong, doggedly chases down every ball and works hard for the team - basically, leads the line, sets the tone and is much more than just a goalscorer.
De Ketelare and Ekitike (both of whom we were linked to a few years back) would have fitted this mould perfectly but are now well out of our reach.
The best player I've seen recently who I think would be in our reach, open to us and fits this style is Evann Guessand from Nice...
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 07:00:08 PMHonestly everyone keeps saying why don't we just sign a striker and no one yet has suggested one for the money that seems any better than what we have got.
This comment often comes up.
A decent director of football/head scout is paid upwards of £500k pa.
It would be a bit absurd if everyone on here could identify someone and not only that, but they also already had a demonstrable track record.
It is going to be someone like a 2023 Gyokeres (from the lower divisions) or Cunha or Mateta (mixed record in La Liga/Bundesliga) etc
Evann Guessand looks a decent shout. Think whoever it is needs to be a decent size for hold up in a loan striker role and he fits that. Would be great to combine that with someone with some pace for once. Pretty much the same mins per goal in the French league as Raul this year in the prem but only 23 so room to improve. Keep Jiminez as a back up for a year in case he did flop. Think that is the kind of level we need to look at I reckon although be great to find someone similar before their big season as if he carries on prob already £25m to £30m and already prem interest as a result.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 28, 2025, 09:33:51 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 07:00:08 PMHonestly everyone keeps saying why don't we just sign a striker and no one yet has suggested one for the money that seems any better than what we have got.
This comment often comes up.
A decent director of football/head scout is paid upwards of £500k pa.
It would be a bit absurd if everyone on here could identify someone and not only that, but they also already had a demonstrable track record.
It is going to be someone like a 2023 Gyokeres (from the lower divisions) or Cunha or Mateta (mixed record in La Liga/Bundesliga) etc
Yeah agreed. We need to pull something like that out of the bag although Cunha cost over £40 million so not like he was pure gold scouting but certainly looks worth the money paid at least of course. The Wolves scouts/director of football around that signing has had a nightmare and id prefer to be where we are right now. Mateta was a bargain for what Palace paid although looks very patchy like our current strikers and still has a worse mins per goal this season than Raul or Muniz despite his current patch. Not easy as every club has highly paid scouts/directors of football and very few find decent strikers as there are so few about. Feel however we have to take a punt and find someone before they are brilliant so agreed the scouting has to pull some magic out here or it's prob never going to happen with the few that are around either too expensive and/or not wanting to come to a club of our size.
Franjo Ivanovic
You heard it here first
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 28, 2025, 10:01:53 PMFranjo Ivanovic
You heard it here first
This guys stats look pretty good.
I Have no idea about the league he plays in but he seems to know exactly where the goal is.
While we are at Ivanovic's, Millwall striker Mihailo Ivanovic, who
@Whitestone mentioned scored another great goal for them. Another completely different type of goal. If he continues with the form he's been in since they changed their manager, I think he could be a good option.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 28, 2025, 10:01:53 PMFranjo Ivanovic
You heard it here first
This is exactly the kind of profile I think we should be going for. Young, not expensive, huge potential. Keep Raul another year and try and develop new signing and Muniz.
Bit surprised however as you have been saying forever that we should have signed a 20+ goal a season prem striker to replace Mitro and not sure you can put that on this poor lad next year if we got him. ::smile::
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 28, 2025, 10:25:56 PMWhile we are at Ivanovic's, Millwall striker Mihailp Ivanovic, who @Whitestone mentioned scored another great goal for them. Another completely different type of goal. If he continues with the form he's been in since they changed their manager, I think he could be a good option.
You don't make em small in Serbia do you mate. ::smile:: Looks very strong, very good in the air and actually look los pretty quick as well. Good shout. Not a great record this year in the champ but Delap didn't last year and that's the point...need to see the potential before they become out of reach and at 20 plenty of time to improve.
I think it would be good to go for a few of these type of younger cheaper signings and see if we can get a hit.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 10:42:47 PMYou don't make em small in Serbia do you mate. ::smile:: Looks very strong, very good in the air and actually look los pretty quick as well. Good shout. Not a great record this year in the champ but Delap didn't last year and that's the point...need to see the potential before they become out of reach and at 20 plenty of time to improve.
I think it would be good to go for a few of these type of younger cheaper signings and see if we can get a hit.
Didn't get a proper chance before they changed the manager tbf to him. But like I said, consistency is his biggest problem, he's got all the attributes to go to the very top, I just hope he can find the consistency in his performance. If he does end this season strong, I'd love to see us go for him.
That being said, if we do get this type of player, I'd prefer to keep Raul for another season, so that Muniz and the new young striker aren't under so much pressure. If we decide to get a more proven striker, I'd let Raul go at the end of the season.
Quote from: SerbianLad on January 28, 2025, 10:57:15 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 10:42:47 PMYou don't make em small in Serbia do you mate. ::smile:: Looks very strong, very good in the air and actually look los pretty quick as well. Good shout. Not a great record this year in the champ but Delap didn't last year and that's the point...need to see the potential before they become out of reach and at 20 plenty of time to improve.
I think it would be good to go for a few of these type of younger cheaper signings and see if we can get a hit.
Didn't get a proper chance before they changed the manager tbf to him. But like I said, consistency is his biggest problem, he's got all the attributes to go to the very top, I just hope he can find the consistency in his performance. If he does end this season strong, I'd love to see us go for him.
That being said, if we do get this type of player, I'd prefer to keep Raul for another season, so that Muniz and the new young striker aren't under so much pressure. If we decide to get a more proven striker, I'd let Raul go at the end of the season.
Yeah agreed. If we get a cheaper younger striker with huge potential we keep Raul for another year. The hope would be that Raul would become the back up with all 3 fighting to start but if not you have a solid striker that can get 15 goals a season if on form if Muniz/new striker doesn't come good.
If we got someone like a Giminez then you'd let Raul go or Muniz almost becomes pointless for a year unless you loaned him out and there is still huge potential there at his age.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 28, 2025, 07:00:08 PMHonestly everyone keeps saying why don't we just sign a striker and no one yet has suggested one for the money that seems any better than what we have got.
I'm not sure about Giminez either to be honest but prob the most promising out of very limited options if we are going to spend big. That's if he'd even come to us of course. Since no one went for him last year when he was on fire think there is a decent chance however. Could see us as a stepping stone to a massive club as still young enough. Believe he plays as a loan 9 doesn't he so would have thought he'd fit?
Been the same every window since Mitro left and why so many of us said he's completely irreplaceable. Pretty much all the ones mentioned have gone to other clubs for £25m+ and have been complete flops doing much worse than Raul/Muniz currently are. Watch us scratch around for another year and then just take Mitro back on a free the year after.
:slap:
striker alone won't be the answer too, we all know we need more creativity and pace from the wings, Traore is a rocket and a good option to have but not technical. Iwobi is great but plays quite deep. Wilson doing well but needs competition.
Really need to see ESR unlocking defences too as we need some magic against a low block defence.
Yep that's the biggest problem. Our strikers records so far this season are actually very good with both around a goal every other game but as soon as we don't score it's all on them. The team breaking down a low block and letting in stupid goals has been the biggest issue. Need more goals from midfield and defence as well.
Keep seeing comments about Muniz developing.
How many more seasons are we gonna wait for that to happen.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 29, 2025, 04:12:17 PMKeep seeing comments about Muniz developing.
How many more seasons are we gonna wait for that to happen.
MS seems to think so, my worry is that he will end up like some others, on the edge but just not quite making it. I really hope I am wrong, he has shown he can do things, so let's hope he pushes on.
Rodrigo Muniz gives me Collins John vibes.
Muniz is already scoring goals in PL for two seasons now. Not perfect of course, but the disrespect is ridiculous. I think Mitrovic's Championship season has slightly warped expectations we have for strikers.
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1884672493102731697
Muniz s goals per minutes played is better than Solanke, Evanilson and Hojland to name just 3 that cost upwards of £40 million who aren't doing as well this year. His record was even better last year. Look at some of his finishing like the Chelsea goal this year, Tottenham and Sheffield United last year to name 3...exceptional. With limited time on the pitch he's won us 3 points over that Chelsea and Liverpool game.
Yes he missed a few chances the last few games but before this he's been pretty clinical. Still only 23. If I've ever mentioned developing I'm talking about nailing down a first team spot but his record as a back up is already more than good enough this level. He just hasn't played much this year as Raul has been excellent.
First 4 games this year thought he was really poor but second half of last year and from sub appearances since the start of the season he's generally been excellent. He has all the attributes but biggest problem is making the right runs when off form. Actually did that the last two and as mentioned should have scored but at least he was in there which is the biggest frustration about him sometimes.
There is a very good player there if he can find confidence and consistency and still time at his age. For the mo he's a very good number two who many clubs like Everton would kill to have as their number one.
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 29, 2025, 07:08:08 PMMuniz s goals per minutes played is better than Solanke, Evanilson and Hojland to name just 3 that cost upwards of £40 million who aren't doing as well this year. His record was even better last year. Look at some of his finishing like the Chelsea goal this year, Tottenham and Sheffield United last year to name 3...exceptional. With limited time on the pitch he's won us 3 points over that Chelsea and Liverpool game.
Yes he missed a few chances the last few games but before this he's been pretty clinical. Still only 23. If I've ever mentioned developing I'm talking about nailing down a first team spot but his record as a back up is already more than good enough this level. He just hasn't played much this year as Raul has been excellent.
First 4 games this year thought he was really poor but second half of last year and from sub appearances since the start of the season he's generally been excellent. He has all the attributes but biggest problem is making the right runs when off form. Actually did that the last two and as mentioned should have scored but at least he was in there which is the biggest frustration about him sometimes.
There is a very good player there if he can find confidence and consistency and still time at his age. For the mo he's a very good number two who many clubs like Everton would kill to have as their number one.
Never been a stats man and what you posted looks & sounds good. I tend to just go with watching him and I've mentioned on here before that instinctively he is good possibly better than others of his age but technically strength game reading and positioning is poor. I would have expected at least two if not three of those outlined should have improved by now? The way we are setup needs our centre forward to have good all rounder game management.
Think he's a massive confidence player. In the hot streak last year he absolutely bullied defenders in some games and made all the right runs with poachers finishes on top of some excellent finishes. Worth watching those goals back. Some of his hold play, flicks out wide were sublime as well. Win tonnes in the air as too.
When low on confidence like the first 4 games this season he gets bullied and just watches crosses come in without attacking it. Looks clumsy and the ball bounces off him.
I'd get him a psychologist as much as a coach as seems more in his head than actual ability as shown he has it when confident.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 29, 2025, 07:07:29 PMhttps://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1884672493102731697
Our new 17 year old midfielder in action:
https://www.facebook.com/JuniorEliteFC/videos/%EF%B8%8F-then-now-series-continues-with-junior-elites-latest-international-seth-chingwa/208311074838268/
Sounds like ESR, Wilfred Zaha, Wan Bisakka and DJed Spencer came from Junior Elite FC as kids. Let's hope he frigging magic. He's already got a better shot on him than AP do that's a start.
::scarf::
Quote from: Drewry66 on January 29, 2025, 07:08:08 PMMuniz s goals per minutes played is better than Solanke, Evanilson and Hojland to name just 3 that cost upwards of £40 million who aren't doing as well this year. His record was even better last year. Look at some of his finishing like the Chelsea goal this year, Tottenham and Sheffield United last year to name 3...exceptional. With limited time on the pitch he's won us 3 points over that Chelsea and Liverpool game.
Yes he missed a few chances the last few games but before this he's been pretty clinical. Still only 23. If I've ever mentioned developing I'm talking about nailing down a first team spot but his record as a back up is already more than good enough this level. He just hasn't played much this year as Raul has been excellent.
First 4 games this year thought he was really poor but second half of last year and from sub appearances since the start of the season he's generally been excellent. He has all the attributes but biggest problem is making the right runs when off form. Actually did that the last two and as mentioned should have scored but at least he was in there which is the biggest frustration about him sometimes.
There is a very good player there if he can find confidence and consistency and still time at his age. For the mo he's a very good number two who many clubs like Everton would kill to have as their number one.
The difference between Muniz and Solanke/Evanilson is they both offer a lot more mobility and press well from the front. Jimenez is the more comparable player, he always does this.
I'd like to see some comparison of Muniz to other strikers that's weighted to reflect the fact that his goals (this season) are mostly scored off the bench, during the part of a game when goals are much more likely to be scored, and with the advantage of fresh legs.
We need a striker that can do the business over 90 mins week in week out, and this season his strike rate when starting is very poor.
With Champions League and Europa League finishing today and the way it works this season are we looking at a flurry of activity in the next few days even from the elite teams? There is a playoff in Champions league next month and looking at the way it's panned out some huge fixtures? Player/s no longer cup tied makes you wonder if they top up even further their squads? Have enjoyed this new direction of Champions league but can only see with this format a issue for teams outside when you are looking to attract a player/s.
Does this push us further down the pecking order if we were say active? Can only think it will have a knock on effect for teams of our size?
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 30, 2025, 10:07:19 AMWith Champions League and Europa League finishing today and the way it works this season are we looking at a flurry of activity in the next few days even from the elite teams? There is a playoff in Champions league next month and looking at the way it's panned out some huge fixtures? Player/s no longer cup tied makes you wonder if they top up even further their squads? Have enjoyed this new direction of Champions league but can only see with this format a issue for teams outside when you are looking to attract a player/s.
Does this push us further down the pecking order if we were say active? Can only think it will have a knock on effect for teams of our size?
I don't know about 'flurry' of activity by us but the minimum we need is cover for Castagne - there's more guff from Pammeiras (via ESPN Brazil). I'd take Richard Rios in a sawp
Quote from: JimOG on January 30, 2025, 11:21:42 AMQuote from: JimmyConway on January 30, 2025, 10:07:19 AMWith Champions League and Europa League finishing today and the way it works this season are we looking at a flurry of activity in the next few days even from the elite teams? There is a playoff in Champions league next month and looking at the way it's panned out some huge fixtures? Player/s no longer cup tied makes you wonder if they top up even further their squads? Have enjoyed this new direction of Champions league but can only see with this format a issue for teams outside when you are looking to attract a player/s.
Does this push us further down the pecking order if we were say active? Can only think it will have a knock on effect for teams of our size?
I don't know about 'flurry' of activity by us but the minimum we need is cover for Castagne - there's more guff from Pammeiras (via ESPN Brazil). I'd take Richard Rios in a sawp
I was thinking of flurry as in the top teams being more active in January than they would normally be? Hence perhaps if we have targets it is possibly more difficult to entice with the new format of European competitions?
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 30, 2025, 11:30:24 AMQuote from: JimOG on January 30, 2025, 11:21:42 AMQuote from: JimmyConway on January 30, 2025, 10:07:19 AMWith Champions League and Europa League finishing today and the way it works this season are we looking at a flurry of activity in the next few days even from the elite teams? There is a playoff in Champions league next month and looking at the way it's panned out some huge fixtures? Player/s no longer cup tied makes you wonder if they top up even further their squads? Have enjoyed this new direction of Champions league but can only see with this format a issue for teams outside when you are looking to attract a player/s.
Does this push us further down the pecking order if we were say active? Can only think it will have a knock on effect for teams of our size?
I don't know about 'flurry' of activity by us but the minimum we need is cover for Castagne - there's more guff from Pammeiras (via ESPN Brazil). I'd take Richard Rios in a sawp
I was thinking of flurry as in the top teams being more active in January than they would normally be? Hence perhaps if we have targets it is possibly more difficult to entice with the new format of European competitions?
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 30, 2025, 11:30:24 AMQuote from: JimOG on January 30, 2025, 11:21:42 AMQuote from: JimmyConway on January 30, 2025, 10:07:19 AMWith Champions League and Europa League finishing today and the way it works this season are we looking at a flurry of activity in the next few days even from the elite teams? There is a playoff in Champions league next month and looking at the way it's panned out some huge fixtures? Player/s no longer cup tied makes you wonder if they top up even further their squads? Have enjoyed this new direction of Champions league but can only see with this format a issue for teams outside when you are looking to attract a player/s.
Does this push us further down the pecking order if we were say active? Can only think it will have a knock on effect for teams of our size?
I don't know about 'flurry' of activity by us but the minimum we need is cover for Castagne - there's more guff from Pammeiras (via ESPN Brazil). I'd take Richard Rios in a sawp
I was thinking of flurry as in the top teams being more active in January than they would normally be? Hence perhaps if we have targets it is possibly more difficult to entice with the new format of European competitions?
Quote from: JimmyConway on January 30, 2025, 11:30:24 AMQuote from: JimOG on January 30, 2025, 11:21:42 AMQuote from: JimmyConway on January 30, 2025, 10:07:19 AMWith Champions League and Europa League finishing today and the way it works this season are we looking at a flurry of activity in the next few days even from the elite teams? There is a playoff in Champions league next month and looking at the way it's panned out some huge fixtures? Player/s no longer cup tied makes you wonder if they top up even further their squads? Have enjoyed this new direction of Champions league but can only see with this format a issue for teams outside when you are looking to attract a player/s.
Does this push us further down the pecking order if we were say active? Can only think it will have a knock on effect for teams of our size?
I don't know about 'flurry' of activity by us but the minimum we need is cover for Castagne - there's more guff from Pammeiras (via ESPN Brazil). I'd take Richard Rios in a sawp
I was thinking of flurry as in the top teams being more active in January than they would normally be? Hence perhaps if we have targets it is possibly more difficult to entice with the new format of European competitions?
The only flurry you need is is a McFlurry from McDonalds. ::tongue::
Silva talking today about two in,a replacement for Harry Wilson and a right back.
Quote from: C Block on January 30, 2025, 04:08:16 PMSilva talking today about two in,a replacement for Harry Wilson and a right back.
A replacement for Harry? Is he leaving?
Quote from: demeant0r on January 30, 2025, 04:20:30 PMQuote from: C Block on January 30, 2025, 04:08:16 PMSilva talking today about two in,a replacement for Harry Wilson and a right back.
A replacement for Harry? Is he leaving?
Out for 8-10 weeks, so I guess won't see him til April.
Quote from: hopper on January 30, 2025, 04:21:32 PMQuote from: demeant0r on January 30, 2025, 04:20:30 PMQuote from: C Block on January 30, 2025, 04:08:16 PMSilva talking today about two in,a replacement for Harry Wilson and a right back.
A replacement for Harry? Is he leaving?
Out for 8-10 weeks, so I guess won't see him til April.
Ah bollocks. At least Nelson should be back soon, I believe he can play right too. If we don't get a replacement we could try Ryan in the left and Adama on the right.
I really like the look of this right back from Coventry. Looks like he has a great engine on him and only young.
A few more clips of our new lad from city. Looks very tidy. ::thumb::
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1885007227032863075
So do we think Roman is credible again now? I don't mean about the signing, I mean generally.
I can't keep up.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on January 30, 2025, 08:29:08 PMSo do we think Roman is credible again now? I don't mean about the signing, I mean generally.
I can't keep up.
He's always been credible. A bunch of people being in denial about Mitro where he was ultimately correct didn't change that.
Quote from: btffc on January 30, 2025, 09:02:08 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on January 30, 2025, 08:29:08 PMSo do we think Roman is credible again now? I don't mean about the signing, I mean generally.
I can't keep up.
He's always been credible. A bunch of people being in denial about Mitro where he was ultimately correct didn't change that.
Yeah he was a near perfect success rate. People hate on him because he is a bit of a shameless PR merchant, but can't fault his reporting.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on January 30, 2025, 08:29:08 PMSo do we think Roman is credible again now? I don't mean about the signing, I mean generally.
I can't keep up.
Romano is good just bare in mind he's effectively a mouth piece for agents
With Wilson injured I would be surprised if we didn't try to do something before the close of the window. Personally I would make Nelson's move permanent (presuming the fee is reasonable) and go into the loan market.
Quote from: LC on January 31, 2025, 12:03:32 AMWith Wilson injured I would be surprised if we didn't try to do something before the close of the window. Personally I would make Nelson's move permanent (presuming the fee is reasonable) and go into the loan market.
We could loan another without making Reiss permanent to be fair.
We only got 1 loan player at the moment.
Interested to see what we can do, we'll know soon enough!
Why would you make Reiss permanent he hasn't proved himself yet he can dribble ✅ he can't finish ❌ he doesn't track back ❌ weak in the tackle ❌ injury prone ❌.
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Reiss has had more than average injury problems at arsenal they won't to get rid originally they won't 30mil he is on 3millplus a year he's 25 soon with his injury problems and when he came to us he was on his way to Ipswich then he did a you turn and quoted fulham is in London so he changed his mind well with problems and loyalty no thanks I can smell him from here.
Quote from: jayffc on January 31, 2025, 12:06:09 AMQuote from: LC on January 31, 2025, 12:03:32 AMWith Wilson injured I would be surprised if we didn't try to do something before the close of the window. Personally I would make Nelson's move permanent (presuming the fee is reasonable) and go into the loan market.
We could loan another without making Reiss permanent to be fair.
We only got 1 loan player at the moment.
Interested to see what we can do, we'll know soon enough!
Yes I'm aware of that, I would make it permanent because we would probably get him on the cheap but I've seen enough from him to see he has clear quality.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 31, 2025, 12:10:34 AMWhy would you make Reiss permanent he hasn't proved himself yet he can dribble ✅ he can't finish ❌ he doesn't track back ❌ weak in the tackle ❌ injury prone ❌.
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bit early in his spell to make permanent.
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on January 31, 2025, 12:10:34 AMWhy would you make Reiss permanent he hasn't proved himself yet he can dribble ✅ he can't finish ❌ he doesn't track back ❌ weak in the tackle ❌ injury prone ❌.
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Thought first a bit harsh but there are one or two truths in your assessment of Reiss. Think he still has something to offer but at what price? In today's market and being an Arsenal youngster he will have an inflated price on his head so negotiations are likely to be difficult unless your willing to pay over the top? Arsenal know his track record re injuries but they will push his age and potential as a bigger upturn than his time on treatment table.
Have we got a price agreed? was it a loan with permanent option? Difficult to think what price you put on Reiss? Personally taking everything into consideration you would want a long staggered deal with Arsenal especially amount of games played!!
For me we need three players that have shown they can score goals, a striker, a right winger and a number 10.Nelson hasn't shown that and unfortunately Wilson still seems to be better coming off the bench. I think Iwobi has been the only one to have performed to the required standard this season.
As we were after someone else but was turned down it was a last minute loan we would have paid full wages with no options just so we put him in shop window buying Rowe helped as it was a last minute loan.
https://twitter.com/romanewseu/status/1885280716348330407
I think we all know what we want but I not seeing any activity in the media. It smacks of all being a last day panic signing. It has been obvious from the start of the season we need a Mitro replacement, look at the stats from all the games, massive possession but few shots on target. How many games have we really made the keeper work. On Sunday Onana has virtually nothing to do. Is this the most pointless subject on th board.
What odds. The seasons over as far as the league goes. Had we not made a mess of the late december and january period it might have been worth splurging but whats the point now
If the season peters out now , hopefully we will strengthen further squad wise and improve again next year.I do think we are stronger this year.
Quote from: hovewhite on January 31, 2025, 12:24:01 PMIf the season peters out now , hopefully we will strengthen further squad wise and improve again next year.I do think we are stronger this year.
Yet if we finish 14th which is probably looking likely, we will be lower than last season, did we strengthen? Or did everyone around us strengthen more? Seems we have gone backwards, even if stronger.
I don't understand why there are so many on here debating the merits or otherwise of making Reiss permanent. I wasn't aware we had any option to buy with this particular loan? In which case is everyone just assuming that Arsenal will roll over and say ok have him? Or have I missed somewhere where Arsenal have made clear they want to sell?
Quote from: Bill2 on January 31, 2025, 11:50:02 AMI think we all know what we want but I not seeing any activity in the media. It smacks of all being a last day panic signing. It has been obvious from the start of the season we need a Mitro replacement, look at the stats from all the games, massive possession but few shots on target. How many games have we really made the keeper work. On Sunday Onana has virtually nothing to do. Is this the most pointless subject on th board.
If as you say we all know what we want, why does Marco say he is not looking for a striker.
He appears to be happy with Raul and Muniz.
Quote from: Twig on January 31, 2025, 01:34:37 PMI don't understand why there are so many on here debating the merits or otherwise of making Reiss permanent. I wasn't aware we had any option to buy with this particular loan? In which case is everyone just assuming that Arsenal will roll over and say ok have him? Or have I missed somewhere where Arsenal have made clear they want to sell?
I was under the impression that he wanted to try and make a go of it at Arsenal.
Quote from: alfie on January 31, 2025, 01:39:30 PMQuote from: Bill2 on January 31, 2025, 11:50:02 AMI think we all know what we want but I not seeing any activity in the media. It smacks of all being a last day panic signing. It has been obvious from the start of the season we need a Mitro replacement, look at the stats from all the games, massive possession but few shots on target. How many games have we really made the keeper work. On Sunday Onana has virtually nothing to do. Is this the most pointless subject on th board.
If as you say we all know what we want, why does Marco say he is not looking for a striker.
He appears to be happy with Raul and Muniz.
Perhaps because he tends to want established mature players he thinks, quite rightly, that we can't afford to spend £50-70m on a striker with that background who's younger/better than what we have. However we do need better so are probably going to need to take a big punt on someone from abroad and be prepared to wait for them to adapt and come good. Probably not a risk Silva wants to take but for the long-term success of the club (not necessarily his concern) it needs to be done, whether he likes it or not.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 31, 2025, 11:38:41 AMhttps://twitter.com/romanewseu/status/1885280716348330407
Have you read the comments at the bottom of the article....most say "the sooner the better" or something to that effect
Quote from: gerrys on January 31, 2025, 02:38:14 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 31, 2025, 11:38:41 AMhttps://twitter.com/romanewseu/status/1885280716348330407
Have you read the comments at the bottom of the article....most say "the sooner the better" or something to that effect
Most of the players we've signed in recent years who've turned out quite well had a similar level of commentary about them from supporters of their old clubs
Quote from: alfie on January 31, 2025, 01:40:38 PMQuote from: Twig on January 31, 2025, 01:34:37 PMI don't understand why there are so many on here debating the merits or otherwise of making Reiss permanent. I wasn't aware we had any option to buy with this particular loan? In which case is everyone just assuming that Arsenal will roll over and say ok have him? Or have I missed somewhere where Arsenal have made clear they want to sell?
I was under the impression that he wanted to try and make a go of it at Arsenal.
Yes, so was I.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 31, 2025, 03:00:05 PMQuote from: gerrys on January 31, 2025, 02:38:14 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on January 31, 2025, 11:38:41 AMhttps://twitter.com/romanewseu/status/1885280716348330407
Have you read the comments at the bottom of the article....most say "the sooner the better" or something to that effect
Most of the players we've signed in recent years who've turned out quite well had a similar level of commentary about them from supporters of their old clubs
Soulé would be pretty exciting. Needs to be more productive, but he's a very tidy player and still v young.
Celik is less exciting, but would probably be quite a good backup to Castagne for the meantime.
Soule would be class, very tricky/skillful winger. Kind of player to get the fans on their feet and I think we need that
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1885396078733783354
Finally, someone to review a bit. Matias Soule very exciting prospect.
Caught his display in Roma's second goal here:
https://streamable.com/w2qvks (https://streamable.com/w2qvks)
I watched the match before vs AZ where he was set up as the second forward/10. Extremely deceptive, all left foot, reminds me of Arjen Robben in a way, but a bit more wasteful at times. Loses his focus with his passing, but there's so much flair that you'd hardly notice these moments.
He tends to join counter-attacks late. You can see him trying to revv up the engines, but it's a bit labored, even with such little time on the pitch I feel like he had to catch his breath. He also missed some golden chances, like a brilliant drilled pass from Angelino from the left, and the young man whiffed his intended strike on goal.
Regardless, this would be one of those signings you'd expect someone like Brighton to go for. Young, technically sound, South American, with Uefa experience. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I'm bored enough at this point.
The good thing is he can most likely play across our midfield lines, so everyone would be challenged.
Quote from: Angus Telford on January 31, 2025, 01:49:17 PMQuote from: alfie on January 31, 2025, 01:39:30 PMQuote from: Bill2 on January 31, 2025, 11:50:02 AMI think we all know what we want but I not seeing any activity in the media. It smacks of all being a last day panic signing. It has been obvious from the start of the season we need a Mitro replacement, look at the stats from all the games, massive possession but few shots on target. How many games have we really made the keeper work. On Sunday Onana has virtually nothing to do. Is this the most pointless subject on th board.
If as you say we all know what we want, why does Marco say he is not looking for a striker.
He appears to be happy with Raul and Muniz.
Perhaps because he tends to want established mature players he thinks, quite rightly, that we can't afford to spend £50-70m on a striker with that background who's younger/better than what we have. However we do need better so are probably going to need to take a big punt on someone from abroad and be prepared to wait for them to adapt and come good. Probably not a risk Silva wants to take but for the long-term success of the club (not necessarily his concern) it needs to be done, whether he likes it or not.
I have been watching the transfer show and they stating that at least half the Premiership are trying to sign a striker, maybe it's not so easy.
Mentioned a few times I watch a bit of Roma having spent a fair bit of time there and keep up with them a fair bit.
Soule: I was really excited about when he moved from Juve. Has bags of potential but he's been a bit underwhelming whilst showing real glimpses that he does have a high ceiling but inconsistent with flashes of brilliance...albeit to contextualise this it's been a really poor season so far period as a team, so hard to know how much is his fault. Possible the system doesn't really suit him. Filed under frustrating so far as think he's capable of much more. Can't see him coming in on a permanent though, seems early for them to give up on him, maybe it makes sense on Roma's half to see if he can get firing here on loan before returning.
Celik a no from me. Doesn't offer much going forward, seems to get in his head a bit and considering his thing used to be that he was more the dependable defensive one, he's not even been doing that well of late. I wouldn't be surprised if he was available but not one I'd want long term
I still don't really get why anyone thinks we need to go in for a striker now, or anything other than injury cover at this point.
Having the luxury of a boring January window is a very good thing, particularly for a club like ourselves who don't seem to have oodles of cash to splash.
You're never going to get an in form striker in January, and you're going to pay a premium for whoever you do get.
Let's say we did bring someone in though, and they scored a goal every game. What exactly what that do for us in the context of this season?
Quote from: Aaron on February 01, 2025, 12:28:21 AMI still don't really get why anyone thinks we need to go in for a striker now, or anything other than injury cover at this point.
Having the luxury of a boring January window is a very good thing, particularly for a club like ourselves who don't seem to have oodles of cash to splash.
You're never going to get an in form striker in January, and you're going to pay a premium for whoever you do get.
Let's say we did bring someone in though, and they scored a goal every game. What exactly what that do for us in the context of this season?
I have to respectfully disagree, particularly with the idea of "Having the luxury of a boring January."
Mediocrity shouldn't be tolerated, and right now, we are a mediocre team. I understand that acquiring a player can be quite expensive at this time, so why not consider selling someone like AP?
I realize we aren't one of the top financial teams in the EPL, but I need something to hold onto—some hope. I don't want to hear that "we are okay" because, in my view, we definitely are not.
Quote from: LPNCanadian on February 01, 2025, 04:33:06 AMQuote from: Aaron on February 01, 2025, 12:28:21 AMI still don't really get why anyone thinks we need to go in for a striker now, or anything other than injury cover at this point.
Having the luxury of a boring January window is a very good thing, particularly for a club like ourselves who don't seem to have oodles of cash to splash.
You're never going to get an in form striker in January, and you're going to pay a premium for whoever you do get.
Let's say we did bring someone in though, and they scored a goal every game. What exactly what that do for us in the context of this season?
I have to respectfully disagree, particularly with the idea of "Having the luxury of a boring January."
Mediocrity shouldn't be tolerated, and right now, we are a mediocre team. I understand that acquiring a player can be quite expensive at this time, so why not consider selling someone like AP?
I realize we aren't one of the top financial teams in the EPL, but I need something to hold onto—some hope. I don't want to hear that "we are okay" because, in my view, we definitely are not.
I mean we're not a mediocre team at all, and January is never a good time to buy players because their cost is inflated by sometimes 50% because who wants to lose someone valuable mid season. We don't NEED anything other than cover on the wing and RB at the moment, yes we need a striker as a long term option but right now it's not a necessity, as an example Duran has just gone to Saudi for £70m so that shows how bonkers the market is at this time of year
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 01, 2025, 10:54:27 AMQuote from: LPNCanadian on February 01, 2025, 04:33:06 AMQuote from: Aaron on February 01, 2025, 12:28:21 AMI still don't really get why anyone thinks we need to go in for a striker now, or anything other than injury cover at this point.
Having the luxury of a boring January window is a very good thing, particularly for a club like ourselves who don't seem to have oodles of cash to splash.
You're never going to get an in form striker in January, and you're going to pay a premium for whoever you do get.
Let's say we did bring someone in though, and they scored a goal every game. What exactly what that do for us in the context of this season?
I have to respectfully disagree, particularly with the idea of "Having the luxury of a boring January."
Mediocrity shouldn't be tolerated, and right now, we are a mediocre team. I understand that acquiring a player can be quite expensive at this time, so why not consider selling someone like AP?
I realize we aren't one of the top financial teams in the EPL, but I need something to hold onto—some hope. I don't want to hear that "we are okay" because, in my view, we definitely are not.
I mean we're not a mediocre team at all, and January is never a good time to buy players because their cost is inflated by sometimes 50% because who wants to lose someone valuable mid season. We don't NEED anything other than cover on the wing and RB at the moment, yes we need a striker as a long term option but right now it's not a necessity, as an example Duran has just gone to Saudi for £70m so that shows how bonkers the market is at this time of year
Lot's to agree here but my concern is this season could so easily unfold from being the best to very mediocre? My worry is we might be the earliest team on the beach in history?
Quote from: JimmyConway on February 01, 2025, 11:05:53 AMLot's to agree here but my concern is this season could so easily unfold from being the best to very mediocre? My worry is we might be the earliest team on the beach in history?
Ha, can't help but agree. The same happened last year. Once virtually safe, drop off a bit, then wake up after too many poor results for a game, drop off again.
It's quite frustrating.
Then try and win the FA Cup to prove that we are not a mediocre team.
Plenty to play for and be motivated for, the season is far from over.
Looks like Brighton might be even more on the beach than us.
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1885724554577801403
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 01, 2025, 04:21:18 PMhttps://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1885724554577801403
Why?
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 01, 2025, 04:21:18 PMhttps://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1885724554577801403
Meh. We need cover but the obligation suggests Tete seemingly isn't indicating he wants to stay. Big step down in quality on Kenny for me. Don't get me wrong he's not hopeless, he's serviceable enough but we've been spoilt by our RB selection massively the last couple years
Geordie forum blaming the ref😂
Quote from: KJS on February 01, 2025, 05:27:28 PMGeordie forum blaming the ref😂
And prior to the game we were complaining about having him reffing the game.
If Celik is essentially a short-term backup RB until Tete returns or is properly replaced, that's fine by me.
Regarding Soule let's please try to include an option to buy. Can't see it however, given they only just signed him, for relatively big money.
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 01, 2025, 06:48:21 PMIf Celik is essentially a short-term backup RB until Tete returns or is properly replaced, that's fine by me.
Regarding Soule let's please try to include an option to buy. Can't see it however, given they only just signed him, for relatively big money.
That article says "obligation to buy" which wouldn't be short term. Of course it could be complete wrong which would be fine with me.
Rumours are Claudio Ranieri has said Soulé is staying the other player reminds me of Soares and he was complete pony for us. James Justin go and get him Fulham
Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on February 01, 2025, 07:53:03 PMRumours are Claudio Ranieri has said Soulé is staying the other player reminds me of Soares and he was complete pony for us. James Justin go and get him Fulham
Can't tell if you're being serious here or not...
Quote from: KJS on February 01, 2025, 05:27:28 PMGeordie forum blaming the ref😂
LOL. He made some suspect decisions for both sides in the second half, but in the first half he was very biased towards Newcastle. Why did we get yellow for both of our first 2 "professional fouls" while Newcastle didn't for either one of their first 2 similar fouls? Or why didn't Joelinton get booked for any of his first 4 fouls? He should have got a red card with the number of yellow card fouls he made. Only after his 5th foul he got booked.
If they are really blaming the referee today they are complete clowns.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 01, 2025, 10:16:24 PMQuote from: KJS on February 01, 2025, 05:27:28 PMGeordie forum blaming the ref😂
LOL. He made some suspect decisions for both sides in the second half, but in the first half he was very biased towards Newcastle. Why did we get yellow for both of our first 2 "professional fouls" while Newcastle didn't for either one of their first 2 similar fouls? Or why didn't Joelinton get booked for any of his first 4 fouls? He should have got a red card with the number of yellow card fouls he made. Only after his 5th foul he got booked.
If they are really blaming the referee today they are complete clowns.
He truly is just a terrible referee and they do have a point about Gordon not getting the foul call right before then conceding after a much softer foul. I know we think he is biased against us but the truth is Kavanagh is just utterly awful and sometimes you get the benefit and sometimes you get screwed. Today we benefitted. Easily the worst PL ref.
Gordon Is a cheat never a foul
Quote from: btffc on February 02, 2025, 02:18:41 AMToday we benefitted. Easily the worst PL ref.
We benefited in one or two instances in the second half, as did they. In the first half though, he might as well have worn a Newcastle shirt. How Joelinton got away without a booking for any of his first 4 fouls is a mystery. Or how we got booked for our first two fouls, while Newcastle was permitted to stop our counters with fouls without getting booked.
I agree he's a terrible referee though. He has no business refereeing the Premier League.
With 24hrs to go, has there been one single credible link to an attacking wide player yet ?
West hame agree load deal for Ferguson of Brighton
Quote from: DevonFFC on February 02, 2025, 09:21:50 AMWest hame agree load deal for Ferguson of Brighton
Called it.
Don't know if it's been mentioned before, but the BBC are today suggesting (via The Belfast Telegraph) that we are 'keen' on Sunderland's Northern Ireland full back Trai Hume.
Must admit the name means nothing to me - anyone got a view?
https://twitter.com/ed_aarons/status/1886031001731625092
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on February 02, 2025, 12:27:03 PMDon't know if it's been mentioned before, but the BBC are today suggesting (via The Belfast Telegraph) that we are 'keen' on Sunderland's Northern Ireland full back Trai Hume.
Must admit the name means nothing to me - anyone got a view?
Only what I've gleaned from transfermarket & YouTube....7 yellow cards from his 28 games and the videos show why. He really loves tackling like Joao Palhinha did. He's from Ballymena in Antrim. Many, like Bradley at Liverpool who's from Tyrone, grow up playing GAA and rugby as well. They tend not to take a step back
Quote from: JimOG on February 02, 2025, 12:54:07 PMQuote from: Ara's bacon crisps on February 02, 2025, 12:27:03 PMDon't know if it's been mentioned before, but the BBC are today suggesting (via The Belfast Telegraph) that we are 'keen' on Sunderland's Northern Ireland full back Trai Hume.
Must admit the name means nothing to me - anyone got a view?
Only what I've gleaned from transfermarket & YouTube....7 yellow cards from his 28 games and the videos show why. He really loves tackling like Joao Palhinha did. He's from Ballymena in Antrim. Many, like Bradley at Liverpool who's from Tyrone, grow up playing GAA and rugby as well. They tend not to take a step back
We had a Northern Irish right back once before and he blossomed into a cult hero. Could be a good omen.
This would be very underwhelming .. Sunderland fans not even convinced .. prefer the Coventry option
Young Brit based the champ with 100+ appearances. Kinf of player that if Brighton got him we'd be looking at him enviously.
Trai Hume, the concensus from the Sunderland supporters is that he isn't worth any where near £20 million and they would all drive him to us for that,
Worryingly I haven't seen a single post from anyone that doesn't want to see him go,
It really does feel like we are stumbling around without a plan, if a club phones you in the last 24hrs you know for a fact they are desperate and you will price accordingly.
Quote from: C Block on February 02, 2025, 04:15:29 PMTrai Hume, the concensus from the Sunderland supporters is that he isn't worth any where near £20 million and they would all drive him to us for that,
Worryingly I haven't seen a single post from anyone that doesn't want to see him go,
It really does feel like we are stumbling around without a plan, if a club phones you in the last 24hrs you know for a fact they are desperate and you will price accordingly.
So some journalist links us with someone you have probably never heard of and not only do you believe it's gospel but use it as ammunition to claim the club are clueless. Unbelievable.
Last season Luton's Elijah Adebayo looked excellent. Also they have Josh Bowler out on the right wing.
In an exceptionally poor season for their team worth a shout
Jack Harrison rumours seem to be picking up pace...i can see that happening if Everton can sign another offensive player. High intensity inverted winger that need to get back on track, sounds like a typical MS signing.
Harrison would be a good addition
Harrison would be a good signing, strong and solid, lost his way a little recently but I believe MS can get him back to his best.
Market looking like it might be a tad difficult if we are linked with Harrison I would imagine? Personal opinion but always thought he is decent Championship type player. Realistic starter?
Only if injuries to others or if not cup tied? Might suit Marco as less of headache choosing either T4aore or Wilson when both on form!
Always thought Harrison looked like a tidy player and would probably be available on loan or for a cheap fee.
Quote from: JimmyConway on February 02, 2025, 09:24:26 PMMarket looking like it might be a tad difficult if we are linked with Harrison I would imagine? Personal opinion but always thought he is decent Championship type player. Realistic starter?
Only if injuries to others or if not cup tied? Might suit Marco as less of headache choosing either T4aore or Wilson when both on form!
Wilson is going to be out injured until april. Our only pure winger backup right now is Godo with Nelson still injured.
Jack Harrison has been useless for a couple of years and has really struggled to do anything noteworthy in the Prem.
Not for me, he's struggled in a poor everton team and Moyes is happy to let him go as things get better.
I'm all for giving a player a chance, but he's not what/who we need at the moment. We need quality.
Harrison looked decent at Leeds. Everton is a poisoned chalice. If the lad can rediscover his form under any manager, Marcos the man.
What an underwhelming signing that would be, 19 games this season with no goals and no assists - doesn't even start for a poor Everton side
I can't imagine he would be cheap but I think Luis Henrique from Marseille would be a good signing
The club need to act fast. We need 2 players for this deadline day.
Cover for Castagne and one more winger
Quote from: General on February 02, 2025, 10:31:47 PMJack Harrison has been useless for a couple of years and has really struggled to do anything noteworthy in the Prem.
Not for me, he's struggled in a poor everton team and Moyes is happy to let him go as things get better.
I'm all for giving a player a chance, but he's not what/who we need at the moment. We need quality.
Think he still on loan from Leeds as well
Jack Harrison has genuinely looked horrendous for a couple of years now.
I know we're in a tight spot, but I really don't think he's the answer tbh...
Unless we sign real quality I only want us to get a rb loan for cover. We have Iwobi,Traore, Godo and Nelson who will be fit soon who can play on the right and Iwobi, Traore, Nelson and Sess who can play on the left.
Marco stated that more players coming in have to be a better quality than what we have.
Unfortunately none of the rumours to date back that up ..
2 players having medicals now apparently
Quote from: KJS on February 03, 2025, 09:13:22 AM2 players having medicals now apparently
Interesting, where did you hear that?
Quote from: hopper on February 03, 2025, 09:28:25 AMQuote from: KJS on February 03, 2025, 09:13:22 AM2 players having medicals now apparently
Interesting, where did you hear that?
Its Wilson and Tete in for rehab
I don't want to see us bring in any players; out of form/ recovering post injury/ lost their way/ ageing on the downgrade etc. Take your pick. I only want us to bring in real quality whether on loan or permanent and if we can't bring in that quality then give some of our youngsters extended runs.
Other than that by all means take a punt on youth for the future. You never know we might unearth a gem.
Quote from: Thailand Mick on February 03, 2025, 07:54:48 AMUnless we sign real quality I only want us to get a rb loan for cover. We have Iwobi,Traore, Godo and Nelson who will be fit soon who can play on the right and Iwobi, Traore, Nelson and Sess who can play on the left.
I agree with this. I think it would be a mistake to target a permanent signing on deadline day, unless it is someone we have been tracking throughout January (which the rumours suggest would not be the case). However 2 loans (one domestic, one international) for squad depth would be a good move, with RB and winger the obvious needs.
How many 'Deal Sheets' today?
Quote from: Twig on February 03, 2025, 09:51:09 AMI don't want to see us bring in any players; out of form/ recovering post injury/ lost their way/ ageing on the downgrade etc. Take your pick. I only want us to bring in real quality whether on loan or permanent and if we can't bring in that quality then give some of our youngsters extended runs.
Other than that by all means take a punt on youth for the future. You never know we might unearth a gem.
Thing is sometimes we've signed players that were out of form and lost their way; who indeed turned out to be real gems; and similarly also had exciting signings underperform. Not meaning to contradict you but I've learned over the years I find my initial judgment about signings has been a bit off.
There really is no panic. We would like to bring in cover for two positions due to injury. But we all know that from nowhere we will pick up other injuries along the way in other positions. So I can't say I care as long as we don't lose anybody.
Quote from: hopper on February 03, 2025, 09:28:25 AMQuote from: KJS on February 03, 2025, 09:13:22 AM2 players having medicals now apparently
Interesting, where did you hear that?
Nowhere, just making stuff up like most posters on here😉 as Fulham fans everyone should know by now transfers happen at Motspur park without any or very little prior knowledge by the media, just sit tight and wait for 2300hrs ☕
Quote from: Twig on February 03, 2025, 09:51:09 AMI don't want to see us bring in any players; out of form/ recovering post injury/ lost their way/ ageing on the downgrade etc. Take your pick. I only want us to bring in real quality whether on loan or permanent and if we can't bring in that quality then give some of our youngsters extended runs.
Other than that by all means take a punt on youth for the future. You never know we might unearth a gem.
I agree with the sentiment but some of our best signings recently have been players that have lost their way - Leno, Bassey, Willian, Jimenez
Quote from: Twig on February 03, 2025, 09:51:09 AMI don't want to see us bring in any players; out of form/ recovering post injury/ lost their way/ ageing on the downgrade etc. Take your pick. I only want us to bring in real quality whether on loan or permanent and if we can't bring in that quality then give some of our youngsters extended runs.
Other than that by all means take a punt on youth for the future. You never know we might unearth a gem.
Spurs did well yesterday with all their youngsters!
Marcus Edwards officially gone to Burnley. I would've liked that one truth be told.
Quote from: St. Andrews White on February 03, 2025, 10:47:33 AMMarcus Edwards officially gone to Burnley. I would've liked that one truth be told.
Believe he's got question marks over his attitude and application, which is why prem teams have steered clear thus far
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 10:48:41 AMQuote from: St. Andrews White on February 03, 2025, 10:47:33 AMMarcus Edwards officially gone to Burnley. I would've liked that one truth be told.
Believe he's got question marks over his attitude and application, which is why prem teams have steered clear thus far
Parker will soon show him how to pass back to his keeper
Quote from: bencher on February 03, 2025, 10:51:14 AMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 10:48:41 AMQuote from: St. Andrews White on February 03, 2025, 10:47:33 AMMarcus Edwards officially gone to Burnley. I would've liked that one truth be told.
Believe he's got question marks over his attitude and application, which is why prem teams have steered clear thus far
Parker will soon show him how to pass back to his keeper
Whoever advised him to do that needs sacking
I really miss the days when people on here would be on Farnborough Airport watch on Transfer deadline day. Kept me sniggering all day.
Surely there must be some news of Jason Koumas arriving by glider or Dwight Gayle parachuting in...?
Quote from: Fulham 442 on February 03, 2025, 10:40:41 AMQuote from: Twig on February 03, 2025, 09:51:09 AMI don't want to see us bring in any players; out of form/ recovering post injury/ lost their way/ ageing on the downgrade etc. Take your pick. I only want us to bring in real quality whether on loan or permanent and if we can't bring in that quality then give some of our youngsters extended runs.
Other than that by all means take a punt on youth for the future. You never know we might unearth a gem.
Spurs did well yesterday with all their youngsters!
I didn't say play all youngsters I said give them a chance if the need arises and I stand by that. We have seen glimpses of how talented King and Godo are, personally I would be excited to see more of them.
Has anyone kept track of our FFP headroom? We don't appear to be being very ambitious in this window and I'm wondering if that's due to having very few funds to utilise, in which case we're holding back till after the June cut off.
Quote from: General on February 02, 2025, 10:31:47 PMJack Harrison has been useless for a couple of years and has really struggled to do anything noteworthy in the Prem.
Not for me, he's struggled in a poor everton team and Moyes is happy to let him go as things get better.
I'm all for giving a player a chance, but he's not what/who we need at the moment. We need quality.
Very underwhelmed .Always seems more bothered about his hair whenever i've seen him play
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on February 03, 2025, 11:12:30 AMI really miss the days when people on here would be on Farnborough Airport watch on Transfer deadline day. Kept me sniggering all day.
Surely there must be some news of Jason Koumas arriving by glider or Dwight Gayle parachuting in...?
Peter Odemwingie has been digging a tunnel from West Brom all the way to Motspur Park, will he break through before the deadline? It's touch a go.
Quote from: Twig on February 03, 2025, 11:12:51 AMQuote from: Fulham 442 on February 03, 2025, 10:40:41 AMQuote from: Twig on February 03, 2025, 09:51:09 AMI don't want to see us bring in any players; out of form/ recovering post injury/ lost their way/ ageing on the downgrade etc. Take your pick. I only want us to bring in real quality whether on loan or permanent and if we can't bring in that quality then give some of our youngsters extended runs.
Other than that by all means take a punt on youth for the future. You never know we might unearth a gem.
Spurs did well yesterday with all their youngsters!
I didn't say play all youngsters I said give them a chance if the need arises and I stand by that. We have seen glimpses of how talented King and Godo are, personally I would be excited to see more of them.
No I know you didn't! I just said that Spurs did well yesterday having to play so many of theirs. I have liked the look of Josh King when he has come on for us.
Harrison very average but Silva just wants a warm body whilst Wilson is recovering and Nelson gets back to fitness it seems
Bit gutted we missed on Edwards tbh
Quote from: ffcne on February 03, 2025, 11:22:34 AMQuote from: General on February 02, 2025, 10:31:47 PMJack Harrison has been useless for a couple of years and has really struggled to do anything noteworthy in the Prem.
Not for me, he's struggled in a poor everton team and Moyes is happy to let him go as things get better.
I'm all for giving a player a chance, but he's not what/who we need at the moment. We need quality.
Very underwhelmed .Always seems more bothered about his hair whenever i've seen him play
Tom Cairney wants a word.
Quote from: LRCN on February 03, 2025, 11:30:53 AMHarrison very average but Silva just wants a warm body whilst Wilson is recovering and Nelson gets back to fitness it seems
Bit gutted we missed on Edwards tbh
Edwards is one of those really exciting players that just seems out of reach for us so for bloody Scott Parker to loan him is a bit of a kicker.
Quote from: demeant0r on February 03, 2025, 11:35:07 AMQuote from: LRCN on February 03, 2025, 11:30:53 AMHarrison very average but Silva just wants a warm body whilst Wilson is recovering and Nelson gets back to fitness it seems
Bit gutted we missed on Edwards tbh
Edwards is one of those really exciting players that just seems out of reach for us so for bloody Scott Parker to loan him is a bit of a kicker.
There must be a reason he has only played 6 time this season for Sporting and no other prem team went in for him.YOud have thought one of the teams in our relegation zone would have a go on loan.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 11:37:12 AMQuote from: demeant0r on February 03, 2025, 11:35:07 AMQuote from: LRCN on February 03, 2025, 11:30:53 AMHarrison very average but Silva just wants a warm body whilst Wilson is recovering and Nelson gets back to fitness it seems
Bit gutted we missed on Edwards tbh
Edwards is one of those really exciting players that just seems out of reach for us so for bloody Scott Parker to loan him is a bit of a kicker.
There must be a reason he has only played 6 time this season for Sporting and no other prem team went in for him.YOud have thought one of the teams in our relegation zone would have a go on loan.
Yeah he's probably a problem player but many problem players are extremely talented, i.e. balotelli, rashford, pogba, etc.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on February 03, 2025, 11:22:09 AMHas anyone kept track of our FFP headroom? We don't appear to be being very ambitious in this window and I'm wondering if that's due to having very few funds to utilise, in which case we're holding back till after the June cut off.
After selling Palhinha and Stansfield in the summer and bringing in 'only' circa £60m of players Id be surprised if we are anywhere near the PSR limit.
https://twitter.com/mrdomsmith/status/1886386184886046944?s=46
Dom's on the ball ? who'd of thought that.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 12:19:38 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on February 03, 2025, 11:22:09 AMHas anyone kept track of our FFP headroom? We don't appear to be being very ambitious in this window and I'm wondering if that's due to having very few funds to utilise, in which case we're holding back till after the June cut off.
After selling Palhinha and Stansfield in the summer and bringing in 'only' circa £60m of players Id be surprised if we are anywhere near the PSR limit.
Had kind of forgotten about Stansfield, wonder how he would have fared if the club didn't sell him. Looks like he's doing well at Birmingham.
Re Edwards, Burnley not so surprising when,
"Edwards started his career at Tottenham where he worked under now Clarets boss Scott Parker in the Spurs academy."
Quote from: hopper on February 03, 2025, 12:29:46 PMQuote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 12:19:38 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on February 03, 2025, 11:22:09 AMHas anyone kept track of our FFP headroom? We don't appear to be being very ambitious in this window and I'm wondering if that's due to having very few funds to utilise, in which case we're holding back till after the June cut off.
After selling Palhinha and Stansfield in the summer and bringing in 'only' circa £60m of players Id be surprised if we are anywhere near the PSR limit.
Had kind of forgotten about Stansfield, wonder how he would have fared if the club didn't sell him. Looks like he's doing well at Birmingham.
was getting stick from the fans but scored two goals in a win against Rotherham at the weekend and didn't celebrate.
When we get to the summer window can we start the Transfer thread at about 9pm on deadline day as everything posted prior to that is a complete waste of time ::thumb::
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on February 03, 2025, 12:22:55 PMhttps://twitter.com/mrdomsmith/status/1886386184886046944?s=46
So we wait till the end of the market for prices to come down every single transfer window & now they're still too inflated for us, but we'll only make loan offers anyway.
Quote from: ElRay on February 03, 2025, 12:55:32 PMQuote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on February 03, 2025, 12:22:55 PMhttps://twitter.com/mrdomsmith/status/1886386184886046944?s=46
So we wait till the end of the market for prices to come down every single transfer window & now they're still too inflated for us, but we'll only make loan offers anyway.
Not the only club that are doing this, spurs are, seems Man Utd are, Arsenal doing so over a striker. It's frustrating I know.
On the right back signing 8m happy with a loan as I am hopping Tete signs a new deal.
Could've loaned Kayode with a reasonable purchase option. We'll rue this
Could've loaned Marcus Edwards.
I can't say who. But I know somebody at the club. Not Fulham obviously, but a club of conspiracy theorists and liars. Who have just claimed that Fulham may or may not sign anybody at all. Whoever they may sign will be a loan or a small transfer on a small contract.
A player from Limping Again Stuttgart who can play across the bench is thought to be travelling to a medical facility in Germany for a medical. His brother works there so that may just be coincidence.
BUT I confirm we wont sign a striker. Unless we do.
The Turkish right back from Roma won't be joining
Quote from: FFC In Oz on February 03, 2025, 01:28:01 PMCould've loaned Kayode with a reasonable purchase option. We'll rue this
Could've loaned Marcus Edwards.
Why is everyone so upset about missing out on Marcus Edwards? He has gone to Burnley, a team in the champ.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 01:50:40 PMWhy is everyone so upset about missing out on Marcus Edwards? He has gone to Burnley, a team in the champ.
You know the rules by know - anybody we don't sign would have been amazing, those that we do won't cut the mustard!
Anyone know what time they're announcing the Pogba signing?
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 01:50:40 PMQuote from: FFC In Oz on February 03, 2025, 01:28:01 PMCould've loaned Kayode with a reasonable purchase option. We'll rue this
Could've loaned Marcus Edwards.
Why is everyone so upset about missing out on Marcus Edwards? He has gone to Burnley, a team in the champ.
He's a good player and plays in a position we're looking for
Buonanotte being recalled by Brighton, would be a good pickup for us as I know he's played winger in some games for Leicester. Argentina national team too but fear he could go to Chelsea/Tottenham
Quote from: LRCN on February 03, 2025, 01:59:13 PMQuote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 01:50:40 PMQuote from: FFC In Oz on February 03, 2025, 01:28:01 PMCould've loaned Kayode with a reasonable purchase option. We'll rue this
Could've loaned Marcus Edwards.
Why is everyone so upset about missing out on Marcus Edwards? He has gone to Burnley, a team in the champ.
He's a good player and plays in a position we're looking for
He might be talented but he's got attitude problems, hence the entire PL has passed up on him and he's gone to a playoff team in the championship
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 02:11:17 PMQuote from: LRCN on February 03, 2025, 01:59:13 PMQuote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 01:50:40 PMQuote from: FFC In Oz on February 03, 2025, 01:28:01 PMCould've loaned Kayode with a reasonable purchase option. We'll rue this
Could've loaned Marcus Edwards.
Why is everyone so upset about missing out on Marcus Edwards? He has gone to Burnley, a team in the champ.
He's a good player and plays in a position we're looking for
He might be talented but he's got attitude problems, hence the entire PL has passed up on him and he's gone to a playoff team in the championship
To be honest, you are just assuming this is the case - could well be there was Prem interest but he wanted to work with Parker who previously managed him and thought half a season in Champ where he would be a nailed on start would be better for his stock than half a season in Prem fighting relegation
Quote from: LRCN on February 03, 2025, 01:59:13 PMQuote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 01:50:40 PMQuote from: FFC In Oz on February 03, 2025, 01:28:01 PMCould've loaned Kayode with a reasonable purchase option. We'll rue this
Could've loaned Marcus Edwards.
Why is everyone so upset about missing out on Marcus Edwards? He has gone to Burnley, a team in the champ.
He's a good player and plays in a position we're looking for
So good he is going to a champ team. Sorry, I dont see it. He has also only played 6x this season. I remember every saying how much we missed out on Mike Tresor last summer, who also went to Burnley, look how that played out.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 03, 2025, 01:29:12 PMI can't say who. But I know somebody at the club. Not Fulham obviously, but a club of conspiracy theorists and liars. Who have just claimed that Fulham may or may not sign anybody at all. Whoever they may sign will be a loan or a small transfer on a small contract.
A player from Limping Again Stuttgart who can play across the bench is thought to be travelling to a medical facility in Germany for a medical. His brother works there so that may just be coincidence.
BUT I confirm we wont sign a striker. Unless we do.
Sounds good to me.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on February 03, 2025, 11:27:24 AMQuote from: Twig on February 03, 2025, 11:12:51 AMQuote from: Fulham 442 on February 03, 2025, 10:40:41 AMQuote from: Twig on February 03, 2025, 09:51:09 AMI don't want to see us bring in any players; out of form/ recovering post injury/ lost their way/ ageing on the downgrade etc. Take your pick. I only want us to bring in real quality whether on loan or permanent and if we can't bring in that quality then give some of our youngsters extended runs.
Other than that by all means take a punt on youth for the future. You never know we might unearth a gem.
Spurs did well yesterday with all their youngsters!
I didn't say play all youngsters I said give them a chance if the need arises and I stand by that. We have seen glimpses of how talented King and Godo are, personally I would be excited to see more of them.
No I know you didn't! I just said that Spurs did well yesterday having to play so many of theirs. I have liked the look of Josh King when he has come on for us.
Sorry misunderstood; me bad. Yes I like the look of King a lot. Spurs showed that adding in a few youngsters can really lift the energy levels while also adding a bit of unpredictability. Obviously any young player coming in has to be good enough and ready for the step up but in principle I do like to see it.
Quote from: @jolslover on February 03, 2025, 02:11:01 PMBuonanotte being recalled by Brighton, would be a good pickup for us as I know he's played winger in some games for Leicester. Argentina national team too but fear he could go to Chelsea/Tottenham
Big problem for Leicester as he one of their best players.
I wonder if we enquired about either Maitland-Niles or Walker-Peters this month
Two good full backs that know the division.
Quote from: C Block on February 03, 2025, 03:00:19 PMI wonder if we enquired about either Maitland-Niles or Walker-Peters this month
Two good full backs that know the division.
I agree with you two full backs !
Quote from: C Block on February 03, 2025, 03:00:19 PMI wonder if we enquired about either Maitland-Niles or Walker-Peters this month
Two good full backs that know the division.
And we have been fortunate with double barreled names in the past!
Walker Peters is good, doubt Southampton would sell a key player in a relegation battle though
Quote from: @jolslover on February 03, 2025, 04:20:10 PMWalker Peters is good, doubt Southampton would sell a key player in a relegation battle though
He's out of contract in the Summer and they have a long way to go to even be in the battle. Getting money for him now might be the best move they can make.
I guess anyone we get now will either come out of nowhere or will be a last minute panic loan. Or both.
Quote from: @jolslover on February 03, 2025, 04:20:10 PMWalker Peters is good, doubt Southampton would sell a key player in a relegation battle though
They're going down and he's leaving on a free in the summer so last chance to cash in a couple million to aid them with PSR, hence he's been priced around £5-7m depending on your source of choice
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 04:45:52 PMQuote from: @jolslover on February 03, 2025, 04:20:10 PMWalker Peters is good, doubt Southampton would sell a key player in a relegation battle though
They're going down and he's leaving on a free in the summer so last chance to cash in a couple million to aid them with PSR, hence he's been priced around £5-7m depending on your source of choice
A bargain for 5-8m if we can agree a fee in that range
A very disappointing window thus far...
Quote from: FFC007 on February 03, 2025, 05:13:12 PMA very disappointing window thus far...
It's not 2300 hrs yet!! Also if the club can't find the correct players then so be it. This window was always going to be quiet, as it is for most other clubs.
But I still blame TK. It's all his fault.
Quote from: FFC007 on February 03, 2025, 05:13:12 PMA very disappointing window thus far...
Not really. A disappointing window is one where we sell a bench player and don't replace him. A disastrous window is one where we sell a first team player and don't replace him. We are in neither camp.
Santiago Gimenez who we'd been linked with a whole back has signed for AC Milan
Fulham fans want the club fighting for european places but with the corrent squad is impossíble. And no ambition from the board.
We have long term injuries in the squad. We have two strikers that are ok but if we compare with that teams that are on 6th ou 7th like Aston Villa or Newcastle, is hilarious.
From top 10 on the table, we have by far the worst striker. I appreciate the season that Raul is doing, however is short. The oposition have names like Watkins, Isak, Evanilson and more....
We cannot demand from Silva more than being top 10 and i think with this Squad, top 10 is good.
We just have Adama and Iwobi as options now lol from wide areas.
No doubt the club are working hard to bring in a right back today? but we've had long enough knowing the extent of Tete injury and how long his out for to not leave it until last day of the month to bring one in? It should of been priority first few day of the window not a month later.
MS has said all along, they won't bring anyone in for the sake of it, they had to improve the squad.
So maybe there is no-one he wants
We definitely need a RB and winger to fill out the squad. Especially given long-term injuries to Tete and Wilson. Plus Nelson is still out. The club usually pull something out of the hat, so let's see...
Quote from: TB1973 on February 03, 2025, 06:21:59 PMMS has said all along, they won't bring anyone in for the sake of it, they had to improve the squad.
So maybe there is no-one he wants
Maybe the one he wants is not available granted but to only have one fit right back in the first team available and the other out long term I find it hard to believe Marco would not want cover there?
I share the enthusiasm that comes with a new signing, but I genuinely believe this is one of the strongest Fulham squads I've seen in a while. Although injuries have left us a bit thin in certain areas, I'm confident that we have enough quality to secure a mid-table finish this season. Unless we can identify a player who can make a significant impact and is available at a fair price, I think it's prudent to wait until the summer transfer window to bolster our squad. With no urgent need to panic, we can take a measured approach to recruitment and make targeted signings when the time is right.
Except we've known Tete would be out
Many weeks ago and rely on one player to cover, same old Fulham, too slow to make decisions only to get rejected at last minute for your choices.
Quote from: Coast94 on February 03, 2025, 06:25:23 PMWe definitely need a RB and winger to fill out the squad. Especially given long-term injuries to Tete and Wilson. Plus Nelson is still out. The club usually pull something out of the hat, so let's see...
I'm inclined to agree and if we end up on a cup run we could pick up a few more injuries which will derail our season. I think we'll bring in a loan player before this evenings deadline.
https://x.com/MatteMoretto/status/1886496543164731542
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1886496765379285223
Quote from: IloveFFC on February 03, 2025, 05:56:33 PMFulham fans want the club fighting for european places but with the corrent squad is impossíble. And no ambition from the board.
We have long term injuries in the squad. We have two strikers that are ok but if we compare with that teams that are on 6th ou 7th like Aston Villa or Newcastle, is hilarious.
From top 10 on the table, we have by far the worst striker. I appreciate the season that Raul is doing, however is short. The oposition have names like Watkins, Isak, Evanilson and more....
We cannot demand from Silva more than being top 10 and i think with this Squad, top 10 is good.
We just have Adama and Iwobi as options now lol from wide areas.
"No ambition from the board" so spending £30m on ESR and £30m on Anderson getting Nelson in on loan implies no ambition?.
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1886496765379285223
After all their forward signings, Villa have apparently said that Leon Bailey is available.
A loan to us would be really good, but likely too late now.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 07:28:50 PMhttps://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1886496765379285223
I really like Chukwueze. Milan just signed Joao Felix to most likely back up Pulisic, so Chukwueze spot is a bit pecked down. Retains the ball so well, just needs a proper chance to continue his good momentum from the last couple of weeks. Let's hope this one happens.
Quote from: IloveFFC on February 03, 2025, 05:56:33 PMFulham fans want the club fighting for european places but with the corrent squad is impossíble. And no ambition from the board.
We have long term injuries in the squad. We have two strikers that are ok but if we compare with that teams that are on 6th ou 7th like Aston Villa or Newcastle, is hilarious.
From top 10 on the table, we have by far the worst striker. I appreciate the season that Raul is doing, however is short. The oposition have names like Watkins, Isak, Evanilson and more....
We cannot demand from Silva more than being top 10 and i think with this Squad, top 10 is good.
We just have Adama and Iwobi as options now lol from wide areas.
Unbelievable! :slap:
The fact we are in the Prem and on the outskirts of European football. Yet we still get fans saying we should do this and do that to get European football. When we know the extra games will also mean the need to increase the squad quality in the Summer. It is really up to the individual if they want a carefully balanced team that can play in the Prem. Or a side that spins lots of money to play in Europe and could get knocked out early.
Personally I will support the decisions that are being made this season even if we sign nobody. Europeans football is really not worth the gamble of a huge outlay.
Quote from: Matt10 on February 03, 2025, 07:38:03 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 07:28:50 PMhttps://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1886496765379285223
I really like Chukwueze. Milan just signed Joao Felix to most likely back up Pulisic, so Chukwueze spot is a bit pecked down. Retains the ball so well, just needs a proper chance to continue his good momentum from the last couple of weeks. Let's hope this one happens.
Genuinely was thinking to myself the other day I would love it if we went for Chukwueze, so would be delighted with this!
Chukwueze makes a lot of sense considering our connections to Nigerian players and the fact that Milan just signed Felix which frees him up (albeit they were looking to move him on anyway)
Apparently we're also considering re-signing Willian, not so sure on that one as the ship has sailed with him, as brilliant as he was for us
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 07:50:32 PMChukwueze makes a lot of sense considering our connections to Nigerian players and the fact that Milan just signed Felix which frees him up (albeit they were looking to move him on anyway)
Apparently we're also considering re-signing Willian, not so sure on that one as the ship has sailed with him, as brilliant as he was for us
Only downside to the Nigerian connection is it means we could lose 3 players mid season next year for AFCON.
Not surprised at Willian link, but I think he's messed us around quite enough and feels a bit weird now.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 07:50:32 PMChukwueze makes a lot of sense considering our connections to Nigerian players and the fact that Milan just signed Felix which frees him up (albeit they were looking to move him on anyway)
Apparently we're also considering re-signing Willian, not so sure on that one as the ship has sailed with him, as brilliant as he was for us
just watched some footage of the player and would be a great addition to the playing staff, especially with Tete probably moving on back to Holland.
Quote from: hovewhite on February 03, 2025, 07:57:00 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 07:50:32 PMChukwueze makes a lot of sense considering our connections to Nigerian players and the fact that Milan just signed Felix which frees him up (albeit they were looking to move him on anyway)
Apparently we're also considering re-signing Willian, not so sure on that one as the ship has sailed with him, as brilliant as he was for us
just watched some footage of the player and would be a great addition to the playing staff, especially with Tete probably moving on back to Holland.
Would be independent of Tete as they play different positions
Was really good in Spain, hopefully we can reapark him
https://twitter.com/Matt_Law_DT/status/1886501875811266717?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Stinks of desperation this. But on a positive note I think Chukwueze would be a great signing if we pull it off. As others have said, Nigerian connections in the squad and showed a lot of talent at Villareal.
Linked with Willian now
I don't share the negativity about this transfer window. Of course we need cover at RB and on the wing but this is caused by injuries. Why spend a lot of cash on new players who might be surplus next season? If Tete decides to leave then we must buy a class replacement, but he might not. Once Wilson and Nelson are fit then a further wide player isn't needed. I agree that a tired looking Iwobi isn't ideal and Traore, who isn't really good enough, aren't our best assets. Short term loans certainly but not expensive purchases.
A red hot no.9 for next year would be wonderful but extraordinarily costly and difficult to convince to come to the Cottage.
Like the idea of Chukwueze. Looks like he was excellent before Milan but struggled there a bit. Just our kind of player...redemption Marco magic. Hope not just a loan but a loan with an option. Not much time for that however unless it's been ongoing and no one knew.
Willian I would take for 6 months as honestly what's the harm if we can afford it this year? Next year it's a one year assessment rather than 3 so any expenditure on salary this year won't count towards next year for PSR. He was still brilliant middle of last season. In my mind as a back up literally nothing to lose. Also not sure Willian is on the clock anyway is he...isn't he a free agent so can move after the window closes?
Quote from: hopper on February 03, 2025, 07:53:40 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 07:50:32 PMChukwueze makes a lot of sense considering our connections to Nigerian players and the fact that Milan just signed Felix which frees him up (albeit they were looking to move him on anyway)
Apparently we're also considering re-signing Willian, not so sure on that one as the ship has sailed with him, as brilliant as he was for us
Only downside to the Nigerian connection is it means we could lose 3 players mid season next year for AFCON.
Not surprised at Willian link, but I think he's messed us around quite enough and feels a bit weird now.
Very good point if we took him perm. Still I wouldn't turn it down as he did look brilliant in Spain.
From SKY
'Chukwuemeka will add energy'
European football expert Andy Brassell on Carney Chukwuemeka joining Dortmund on loan:
"They need legs in midfield. They've been interested in him for a while – they need someone like him. They can be quite ploddy in midfield."
Willian would be really disappointing move. He was great, average & time to move on when with us previously.
Add to that he messed us around for 2x summers & no I'd prefer to see Godo given a chance for the last 15 games.
Quote from: hopper on February 03, 2025, 07:53:40 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 07:50:32 PMChukwueze makes a lot of sense considering our connections to Nigerian players and the fact that Milan just signed Felix which frees him up (albeit they were looking to move him on anyway)
Apparently we're also considering re-signing Willian, not so sure on that one as the ship has sailed with him, as brilliant as he was for us
Only downside to the Nigerian connection is it means we could lose 3 players mid season next year for AFCON.
Not surprised at Willian link, but I think he's messed us around quite enough and feels a bit weird now.
Good point on AFCON but if (mega if) Mackintosh/Khan had any negotiation street smarts they'd leverage it to get a good deal.
Quote from: ffc73 on February 03, 2025, 08:06:01 PMWillian would be really disappointing move. He was great, average & time to move on when with us previously.
Add to that he messed us around for 2x summers & no I'd prefer to see Godo given a chance for the last 15 games.
Precisely. When our attack looks as laboured and sluggish as ours has quite a lot recently I don't think a 36.5 year old winger is the answer. Would much rather Chukwueze, we need some energy and youth in our attack (which has been missing since Nelson's injury).
Chukwueze would be great, if a deal can't be done then Willian is better than nothing.
You only have to see interviews with Cairney etc to see how highly the players think of Willian at Fulham and the quality he still has. I would rather we got Chukwueze and it is a tad uninspiring but to say Godo is a better option than Willian isn't true.
I'm guessing the Willian deal happens if we can't get Chukwueze because he's a free agent so can sign whenever. Would also only see us signing both if it means we can then loan Godo out so he can play more regularly
Quote from: Barrett487 on February 03, 2025, 08:05:35 PMFrom SKY
'Chukwuemeka will add energy'
European football expert Andy Brassell on Carney Chukwuemeka joining Dortmund on loan:
"They need legs in midfield. They've been interested in him for a while – they need someone like him. They can be quite ploddy in midfield."
My mistake... this is Chukwuemeka, not Chukwueze. this guy's under contract with those blue bu66rs down the road.
Willian is magic. Arguably our best player two seasons ago and very good last year. Would love to see the geezer back.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 08:11:04 PMI'm guessing the Willian deal happens if we can't get Chukwueze because he's a free agent so can sign whenever. Would also only see us signing both if it means we can then loan Godo out so he can play more regularly
Talk on twitter of Godo being loaned to Watford
Quote from: LRCN on February 03, 2025, 07:58:27 PMLinked with Willian now
Willian is a free agent now I think,would like to think that Godo gets a chance now so he can show what he can do.
Quote from: @jolslover on February 03, 2025, 08:12:13 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 08:11:04 PMI'm guessing the Willian deal happens if we can't get Chukwueze because he's a free agent so can sign whenever. Would also only see us signing both if it means we can then loan Godo out so he can play more regularly
Talk on twitter of Godo being loaned to Watford
Would make sense as he's the fourth/fifth winger at the moment. With no Wilson we're effectively down to 3 proper first teamers and one of them is Nelson and he's coming back from injury, so Chukwueze is probably a main option to give us four senior wingers and Willian is a brucey bonus who knows the system and the manager as #5 in case of any other injuries/form/suspension etc.
I wouldn't mind if we didn't get anyone in. Nelson will be back soon and Wilson too. Rightback is a bit more needed, but I hope if we get one it will be on loan, as I still hope Tete will sign a new deal.
That being said Marco said he wants to sign those two players, Chukwueze would be a great option. I like him as a player. I wouldn't be against Willian either,as a back up option, on a short deal, because, as I said, I don't think a winger is that urgent. At the end of the season, the winger we sign today might end up not even making the squad list.
This right back is going to be the usual not a single rumour surprise after 11 isn't it. ::smile:: Let's frigging hope so anyway.
I am leaning towards if Marco thinks Willian can do a job then I am all for it, if he comes and he can't do it, then that is down to Marco.
https://twitter.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886510770059665745
https://twitter.com/mcgrathmike/status/1886511308163678592
Quote from: alfie on February 03, 2025, 08:24:52 PMI am leaning towards if Marco thinks Willian can do a job then I am all for it, if he comes and he can't do it, then that is down to Marco.
If it's for 6 months literally zero downside. Was poor start and end of last season but still brilliant in the middle. We know Marco can get a tune out of him, he can unlock a defence (much needed) and he'll only be a back up anyway.
Quote from: Hugh Janus on February 03, 2025, 08:12:04 PMWillian is magic. Arguably our best player two seasons ago and very good last year. Would love to see the geezer back.
2-seasons ago. We should move on & not go back.
We are not going down. Give Godo a chance. If he goes not make the grade ship him out in the summer & get in someone else.
Id have Willian as a bench option. I wouldnt even mind if he joined yet only got Sessegnon levels of minutes. Gives Godo get minutes and claim a spot next season.
Willian looked like a busted flush in the months running up to leaving us last time and I don't see anything anywhere to suggest that he improved after leaving us.
I loved his time here but I am hugely unconvinced about any possible return.
Villa have been busy. Think they have 4 over the line. But it smacks of panic and I have to say a warning to those that want European football at all costs.
Godo will only go to Watford on loan if Fulham can get a replacement. Rumours suggest.
I think Godo would hugely benefit from a loan at a top half Championship team like Watford. So I'd rather loan him and get another winger in, even if that winger is Willian. Realistically, we'd need Willian as a 3rd winger now, 4th choice when Nelson is back and will probably not even make the bench when Wilson comes back towards the end of the season.
What I'm trying to say, I'd rather Willian was the winger that barely plays than Godo, as it would be bad for Godo's development.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on February 03, 2025, 08:41:17 PMWillian looked like a busted flush in the months running up to leaving us last time and I don't see anything anywhere to suggest that he improved after leaving us.
I loved his time here but I am hugely unconvinced about any possible return.
If it's for let's Godo go on loan to Watford it is a good move for us. He's still better than Godo but that would be a great loan for the young lad to continue to develop.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 03, 2025, 08:43:51 PMGodo will only go to Watford on loan if Fulham can get a replacement. Rumours suggest.
Willian on a short term deal?
Chukwueze is a left footer too and can play on both wings. A direct Wilson replacement.
https://twitter.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/1886516121064394984
Quote from: FFC007 on February 03, 2025, 08:47:22 PMQuote from: Lighthouse on February 03, 2025, 08:43:51 PMGodo will only go to Watford on loan if Fulham can get a replacement. Rumours suggest.
Willian on a short term deal?
Chukwueze is a left footer too and can play on both wings. A direct Wilson replacement.
Yeah sounds like Chukwueze is the plan to replace Wilson as usually plays right. Sounds like Godo going to Watford is dependant on Willian coming in. Can't see us giving Willian more than 6 months.
Breaking news: Willian to return to Fulham
Fulham are close to bringing Willian back to the club.
The 36-year-old is a free agent after leaving Olympiakos at the end of December. Talks are advancing over a return to west London for the Brazilian.
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 08:47:21 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on February 03, 2025, 08:41:17 PMWillian looked like a busted flush in the months running up to leaving us last time and I don't see anything anywhere to suggest that he improved after leaving us.
I loved his time here but I am hugely unconvinced about any possible return.
If it's for let's Godo go on loan to Watford it is a good move for us. He's still better than Godo but that would be a great loan for the young lad to continue to develop.
Hmm, maybe. I am not sure but what you say does make sense as long as Willian hasn't regressed as much as I think he may have.
WillIAn deal close.... Godo to Watford on loan.
Personally I don't have a problem with Willian coming in, he knows the players club and manager it's a no lose for me
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on February 03, 2025, 08:53:30 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 08:47:21 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on February 03, 2025, 08:41:17 PMWillian looked like a busted flush in the months running up to leaving us last time and I don't see anything anywhere to suggest that he improved after leaving us.
I loved his time here but I am hugely unconvinced about any possible return.
If it's for let's Godo go on loan to Watford it is a good move for us. He's still better than Godo but that would be a great loan for the young lad to continue to develop.
Hmm, maybe. I am not sure but what you say does make sense as long as Willian hasn't regressed as much as I think he may have.
To be fair even if he has he'll be third choice like Godo was mate when Nelson is back. May barely play but there for emergencies if we have an injury crisis. Reckon Watford could be a great loan for Godo if he can get half a season in their team. To be fair I'd rather rely on Willian in an injury crisis than Godo at present. Think he needs a champ loan.
I really hope Godo gets his loan move. Made to stay in the summer because of the Stansfield sale, had a decent loan spell at Wigan but couldn't carry the momentum into another full season of regular football.
Quote from: KJS on February 03, 2025, 08:54:11 PMPersonally I don't have a problem with Willian coming in, he knows the players club and manager it's a no lose for me
Totally agree.
I was mentally prepared for us signing no one and content with that. And yet the club has still found a way to upset me with this backwards Last of the Summer Wine signing.
Muniz will be pleased anyway
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 08:58:42 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on February 03, 2025, 08:53:30 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 08:47:21 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on February 03, 2025, 08:41:17 PMWillian looked like a busted flush in the months running up to leaving us last time and I don't see anything anywhere to suggest that he improved after leaving us.
I loved his time here but I am hugely unconvinced about any possible return.
If it's for let's Godo go on loan to Watford it is a good move for us. He's still better than Godo but that would be a great loan for the young lad to continue to develop.
Hmm, maybe. I am not sure but what you say does make sense as long as Willian hasn't regressed as much as I think he may have.
To be fair even if he has he'll be third choice like Godo was mate when Nelson is back. May barely play but there for emergencies if we have an injury crisis. Reckon Watford could be a great loan for Godo if he can get half a season in their team. To be fair I'd rather rely on Willian in an injury crisis than Godo at present. Think he needs a champ loan.
Yeah, agree with the loan absolutely. Its good that he is potentially at Championship level too. I guess from my point of view, I probably just hope we don't need that third choice if Willian does sign. :lol:
No issues with Willian coming back for 6 months. I don't understand the negativity, it's January, deadline day, options are limited. We know how good he is and we want a short term option and he's free. All positives for me
Is chukwueze deal a loan or perm?
I think it's great to get Willian back. Samba Whites back in action, right after Pereira sets up Muniz for a historic victory. TC says Willian's the best player he's ever played with - can't see anything bad here other than Willian may not be inserted immediately.
Still hoping Chukwueze gets in. It makes a lot of sense from Milan's side considering they're bringing in Joao Felix and another I believe I read somewhere.
edit: and....I just saw Rutzler say Chukwueze not happening. Argh!
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1886521474808471779
I'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Presumably he will have Godo minutes and spot.
😂😂😂
A even older Willian and that's is done.
Wouldn't bother
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 09:09:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Presumably he will have Godo minutes and spot.
At a lot more money, so he mugs us off again.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 03, 2025, 09:07:32 PMhttps://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1886521474808471779
FFS!!!
::cry:: ::cry:: ::cry::
I wonder if it was Chukwueze as first choice and Willian as the back up option if as it seems it's collapsed like a pack of cards.
Some really limited options out there at this time of the window... clearly the Wilson injury has got Silva jittery and we need someone.
Quote from: FFC007 on February 03, 2025, 09:14:13 PMI wonder if it was Chukwueze as first choice and Willian as the back up option if as it seems it's collapsed like a pack of cards.
Some really limited options out there at this time of the window... clearly the Wilson injury has got Silva jittery and we need someone.
Doubt it. One plays left the other right. Seems to make all sense that Willian was to let Godo go on loan and Chukwueze was for Wilson. Chukwueze Prob only a possibility after the Milan influx of players last min. Prob just something has fallen through with it. So frustrating
Quote from: ffc73 on February 03, 2025, 09:12:00 PMQuote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 09:09:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Presumably he will have Godo minutes and spot.
At a lot more money, so he mugs us off again.
Slightly offset by a Godo loan fee.
So looks like Willian only. Poor to be honest.
I wouldn't worry about a slight drop off in pace his intelligence and technical ability would not of deserted him.
Willian is at Stamford bridge tonight....
Nothing to get anyone's pants in a twist about.
We need a back up winger that frees up godo to get invaluable experience to see if he can come back and push to start next year. Willian knows the club and gets on with everyone, plus has quality as a currently 3rd, but soon to be 4th, and then 5th option by the time the season is out .
No fee involved, just his wages, nice and easy, then we reassess with a permanent deal in the summer window.
Seems perfectly reasonable
Willian is at The Bridge.
Not bothered either way about Willian, but i know we definitely need a RB in the door. Castagne is tired and playing every game. Tete out for the next 2-3 months. Getting concerned if this Chukweuze is not happening!
Quote from: Coast94 on February 03, 2025, 09:18:27 PMSo looks like Willian only. Poor to be honest.
Totally underwhelming. Rather we give the young Godo some minutes rather than a 36 year old who has dicked us around in the recent past
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 09:09:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Presumably he will have Godo minutes and spot.
Blocking the path of a 21 year old to sign a 36 year old that has absolutely no pace is not something that I can get behind,
Sorry 😞
I'd take a punt on Walker Peters from Southampton. Could be a bargain price as his contract is up at the end of season and the Saints are toast for this season in terms of PL survival.
If Willian is in and Godo is out we have not actually gained anything.
Surely we need to keep Godo too. And play him on Saturday
Quote from: Jules on February 03, 2025, 09:23:51 PMNot bothered either way about Willian, but i know we definitely need a RB in the door. Castagne is tired and playing every game. Tete out for the next 2-3 months. Getting concerned if this Chukweuze is not happening!
Tired?
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 03, 2025, 09:01:18 PMI was mentally prepared for us signing no one and content with that. And yet the club has still found a way to upset me with this backwards Last of the Summer Wine signing.
I did wonder what had happened to you and assumed you were busy banging your head against a wall, whilst muttering darkly (and correctly) about what this does to the average age of the squad. 🤣
Last of the Summer Wine signing is a perfect description.
This situation also puts me in mind of Slav's famous words - 'We are not a train station.'
We're in no danger of going down so why waste £100k+ per week on some ageing mercenary who doesn't care about us, but is just casting around for yet another 'last big payday'?
Godo may not be as good as the mercenary once was, but from his interviews it's clear he does at least want to be here, which puts him way ahead in my book.
Presumably the club believes it is much better for Godo's development to get more minutes in the Championship. He's not playing now, so this is not about blocking anyone, but instead giving them an opportunity to grow. They plain and simple don't think Godo is ready for any meaningful PL minutes.
Pretty gutted about Chukwueze not happening, would have been a really exciting one that
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Agree, and all those saying he's on a 'free' have forgotten how much he wants in wages!
Quote from: SG on February 03, 2025, 09:24:20 PMQuote from: Coast94 on February 03, 2025, 09:18:27 PMSo looks like Willian only. Poor to be honest.
Totally underwhelming. Rather we give the young Godo some minutes rather than a 36 year old who has dicked us around in the recent past
Neither one would play much. The difference is, Godo can go to Watford and play week in, week out in a pretty good team in the Championship. Nelson will probably be available for one of the next 2 games, judging by Marco's previous comments, and then Godo/Willian becomes the 4th choice winger. After Wilson comes back they become 5th choice, i.e. probably not even on the bench. I really think it's much better for Godo to get more minutes at a good level, so this deal makes perfect sense to me
Quote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:37:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Agree, and all those saying he's on a 'free' have forgotten how much he wants in wages!
Everyone gets paid
Quote from: C Block on February 03, 2025, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: Marcel_Gecov on February 03, 2025, 09:09:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Presumably he will have Godo minutes and spot.
Blocking the path of a 21 year old to sign a 36 year old that has absolutely no pace is not something that I can get behind,
Sorry 😞
It couldnt be further from "blocking his path" it's doing the absolute best thing for his development....which is playing regularly as a starter, which he doesnt look quite ready for yet in the prem.
He was already supposed to be on loan and not sat on our bench but for stansfields departure. Actually letting him build confidence with a loan spell at a decent championship side is exactly what Godo needs, blocking his progress in my opinion would be NOT facilitating that, and this way he knows if he plays very well at Watford there's scope for him getting play time next season given William likely won't be here.
Quote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 09:39:42 PMQuote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:37:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Agree, and all those saying he's on a 'free' have forgotten how much he wants in wages!
Everyone gets paid
?
I'm saying how much, not that he wants paying!?
Quote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:37:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Agree, and all those saying he's on a 'free' have forgotten how much he wants in wages!
As long as we can afford it this year his wages essentially don't matter. Next year we move away from a 3 year assessment period to one year. It therefore has zero impact on PSR for next year which is the key.
Is he better than Godo currently? Of course he is. Played for us all last season and moved to a champions league club. Upgrade then on our emergency back up that is all.
If it allows Godo to go on loan to a championship club to crucially develop one of our best youth prospects t's it's a no brainer.
If he's past it he sits on our bench for 6 months unless a huge injury crisis. If he finds his magic again fir 6 months and contributes something great.
I didn't like that he didn't want to stay but there is no loss in this situation if it enables Godo to go to Watford as otherwise it would be him sitting on our bench for 6 months doing nothing better instead.
It increases the average age for 6 months not fovever...helps to develop one of our youth prospects to potentially dramatically bring it down for free if he proves good enough. Just hope the Chukwueze deal falling through has no impact on the Godo loan.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 03, 2025, 09:37:52 PMQuote from: SG on February 03, 2025, 09:24:20 PMQuote from: Coast94 on February 03, 2025, 09:18:27 PMSo looks like Willian only. Poor to be honest.
Totally underwhelming. Rather we give the young Godo some minutes rather than a 36 year old who has dicked us around in the recent past
Neither one would play much. The difference is, Godo can go to Watford and play week in, week out in a pretty good team in the Championship. Nelson will probably be available for one of the next 2 games, judging by Marco's previous comments, and then Godo/Willian becomes the 4th choice winger. After Wilson comes back they become 5th choice, i.e. probably not even on the bench. I really think it's much better for Godo to get more minutes at a good level, so this deal makes perfect sense to me
So if I've got this right, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be advocating us signing a 36 year old on the best part of £100k a week who at some point won't even be on the bench,
Is that right ?
Please make it make sense.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:43:38 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 09:39:42 PMQuote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:37:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Agree, and all those saying he's on a 'free' have forgotten how much he wants in wages!
Everyone gets paid
?
I'm saying how much, not that he wants paying!?
I don't know and neither do you how much he is asking for? Speculation is fine but we do not know - neither do we know whether he was buggering us about when he left . If anyone is out of contract they have the right to accept the terms offered or to move on if they believe they can get a better deal . That is a fact. It would be strange to have him back if either the manager or the owners thought he had treated us badly or been disrespectful. If Marco is happy then so am I - and the prospect of a few more cameos from a world class player would be welcome in my mind.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:43:38 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 09:39:42 PMQuote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:37:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Agree, and all those saying he's on a 'free' have forgotten how much he wants in wages!
Everyone gets paid
?
I'm saying how much, not that he wants paying!?
Not sure what the deal is on wages, but since he is "free" it is probably a little more
The worst bit is that the timing stinks. I am always a glass half full but even I am stumped with this one; we're talking about signing someone that's a free agent, why is it even something we're working on during deadline day when he could be registered whenever (and he's currently watching Chelsea at Stamford Bridge so it's not even a priority for him). It's not even like the Wilson news is super last minute, Chukwueze was available before & Milan wanted him out, plus he pushes to start and improve us, Willian will likely warm the bench and not be in physical condition to even start for weeks so it's just totally meh considering we'll be paying him a decent chunk of money for the priviledge
If he wants to be the highest earner, again, in our squad and sits on the bench it's madness!
As someone said earlier- he hasn't p,Syed for ages and, once again, will take time to get fit!
Waste of money imo
I'll happily be proved wrong if he starts immediately and scores/assists constantly!
We really are dog shite in transfer windows.
Silva will play this down in the press conference but he surely must be looking g at the board thinking he's being mugged off here.
Willian, was a good player for us but at the end of his second stint he was already showing signs of not being the player he was the first time round.
He tits about every time longing it out before signing for us, to which he will be overweight, off the pace and no use to us(want to be proven wrong).
We showed very little ambition here and unless some miracle happens it doesn't look like we will be getting a rb in either.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:54:43 PMThe worst bit is that the timing stinks. I am always a glass half full but even I am stumped with this one; we're talking about signing someone that's a free agent, why is it even something we're working on during deadline day when he could be registered whenever (and he's currently watching Chelsea at Stamford Bridge so it's not even a priority for him). It's not even like the Wilson news is super last minute, Chukwueze was available before & Milan wanted him out, plus he pushes to start and improve us, Willian will likely warm the bench and not be in physical condition to even start for weeks so it's just totally meh considering we'll be paying him a decent chunk of money for the priviledge
Oops
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886533539321274397?t=d4qMWnLAAoEq9EMvhYxmyA&s=19
So he's been training with us for 4 weeks. Presumably whilst we have assessed his fitness and got him up to speed. 🤷🏻
With the way the boards melting down at least hell be nailed on to come off the bench and whip in a far post curler in his first game back 😂
Quote from: jayffc on February 03, 2025, 09:56:50 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:54:43 PMThe worst bit is that the timing stinks. I am always a glass half full but even I am stumped with this one; we're talking about signing someone that's a free agent, why is it even something we're working on during deadline day when he could be registered whenever (and he's currently watching Chelsea at Stamford Bridge so it's not even a priority for him). It's not even like the Wilson news is super last minute, Chukwueze was available before & Milan wanted him out, plus he pushes to start and improve us, Willian will likely warm the bench and not be in physical condition to even start for weeks so it's just totally meh considering we'll be paying him a decent chunk of money for the priviledge
Oops
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886533539321274397?t=d4qMWnLAAoEq9EMvhYxmyA&s=19
That doesn't contradict what I've said though does it? He's not played a competitive game in months and he wouldn't be able to train with the first team because he's not registered with the club
Quote from: DevonFFC on February 03, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWe really are dog shite in transfer windows.
Silva will play this down in the press conference but he surely must be looking g at the board thinking he's being mugged off here.
Willian, was a good player for us but at the end of his second stint he was already showing signs of not being the player he was the first time round.
He tits about every time longing it out before signing for us, to which he will be overweight, off the pace and no use to us(want to be proven wrong).
We showed very little ambition here and unless some miracle happens it doesn't look like we will be getting a rb in either.
I would be shocked if Marco wasn't the one pushing for Willian
Quote from: HV71 on February 03, 2025, 09:51:15 PMQuote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:43:38 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 09:39:42 PMQuote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:37:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Quote from: HV71 on February 03, 2025, 09:51:15 PMQuote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:43:38 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 09:39:42 PMQuote from: BestOfBrede on February 03, 2025, 09:37:45 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:09:01 PMI'd rather we didn't sign anyone tbh over an even older Willian, he's basically been on the beach for 6 months having messed us about for the second time two summers running. He will likely not be match fit for a month
Agree, and all those saying he's on a 'free' have forgotten how much he wants in wages!
Everyone gets paid
?
I'm saying how much, not that he wants paying!?
I don't know and neither do you how much he is asking for? Speculation is fine but we do not know - neither do we know whether he was buggering us about when he left . If anyone is out of contract they have the right to accept the terms offered or to move on if they believe they can get a better deal . That is a fact. It would be strange to have him back if either the manager or the owners thought he had treated us badly or been disrespectful. If Marco is happy then so am I - and the prospect of a few more cameos from a world class player would be welcome in my mind.
Agree, and all those saying he's on a 'free' have forgotten how much he wants in wages!
Everyone gets paid
?
I'm saying how much, not that he wants paying!?
I don't know and neither do you how much he is asking for? Speculation is fine but we do not know - neither do we know whether he was buggering us about when he left . If anyone is out of contract they have the right to accept the terms offered or to move on if they believe they can get a better deal . That is a fact. It would be strange to have him back if either the manager or the owners thought he had treated us badly or been disrespectful. If Marco is happy then so am I - and the prospect of a few more cameos from a world class player would be welcome in my mind.
Obviously we don't know exactly, but are you telling me that everyone is wrong that he was the top earner when here last?
Quote from: C Block on February 03, 2025, 09:50:53 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on February 03, 2025, 09:37:52 PMQuote from: SG on February 03, 2025, 09:24:20 PMQuote from: Coast94 on February 03, 2025, 09:18:27 PMSo looks like Willian only. Poor to be honest.
Totally underwhelming. Rather we give the young Godo some minutes rather than a 36 year old who has dicked us around in the recent past
Neither one would play much. The difference is, Godo can go to Watford and play week in, week out in a pretty good team in the Championship. Nelson will probably be available for one of the next 2 games, judging by Marco's previous comments, and then Godo/Willian becomes the 4th choice winger. After Wilson comes back they become 5th choice, i.e. probably not even on the bench. I really think it's much better for Godo to get more minutes at a good level, so this deal makes perfect sense to me
So if I've got this right, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be advocating us signing a 36 year old on the best part of £100k a week who at some point won't even be on the bench,
Is that right ?
Please make it make sense.
Has there been a quote yet for what we are paying him? I have t seen one. May be way less than that. Even if not it won't count for PSR next year with the rules changing so apart from Khan forking out money it doesn't matter to us from a tactical financial perspective! What would help however for PSR the next few years is Godo either breaking into the first team or us selling him for a decent fee.
Quote from: DevonFFC on February 03, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWe really are dog shite in transfer windows.
Silva will play this down in the press conference but he surely must be looking g at the board thinking he's being mugged off here.
Willian, was a good player for us but at the end of his second stint he was already showing signs of not being the player he was the first time round.
He tits about every time longing it out before signing for us, to which he will be overweight, off the pace and no use to us(want to be proven wrong).
We showed very little ambition here and unless some miracle happens it doesn't look like we will be getting a rb in either.
Shite in transfer windows? Lol
Another shocking transfer window where we sign an OAP at the last minute
Quote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 09:58:19 PMQuote from: DevonFFC on February 03, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWe really are dog shite in transfer windows.
Silva will play this down in the press conference but he surely must be looking g at the board thinking he's being mugged off here.
Willian, was a good player for us but at the end of his second stint he was already showing signs of not being the player he was the first time round.
He tits about every time longing it out before signing for us, to which he will be overweight, off the pace and no use to us(want to be proven wrong).
We showed very little ambition here and unless some miracle happens it doesn't look like we will be getting a rb in either.
I would be shocked if Marco wasn't the one pushing for Willian
Well doesn't look like he had any other options than an aging Willian
According to Sky the deal has been approved in principle- hope this works out!
Fulham agree Willian deal in principle
Latest from Sky Sports News' Dharmesh Sheth:
Fulham have agreed a deal in principle to re-sign Brazilian forward Willlan.
Willian is a free agent having left Olympiakos in a December.
A formal announcement is expected tomorrow.
Willian was pictured at Stamford Bridge watching Chelsea vs West Ham this evening.
Would have taken Evan Ferguson all day
Quote from: jayffc on February 03, 2025, 09:56:50 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:54:43 PMThe worst bit is that the timing stinks. I am always a glass half full but even I am stumped with this one; we're talking about signing someone that's a free agent, why is it even something we're working on during deadline day when he could be registered whenever (and he's currently watching Chelsea at Stamford Bridge so it's not even a priority for him). It's not even like the Wilson news is super last minute, Chukwueze was available before & Milan wanted him out, plus he pushes to start and improve us, Willian will likely warm the bench and not be in physical condition to even start for weeks so it's just totally meh considering we'll be paying him a decent chunk of money for the priviledge
Oops
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886533539321274397?t=d4qMWnLAAoEq9EMvhYxmyA&s=19
So he's been training with us for 4 weeks. Presumably whilst we have assessed his fitness and got him up to speed.
That's great news. Had to have passed some tests to lead to a signing. I think Willian will be good for us regardless.
Still upset we didn't get a new player, but at least the dressing room will be strong and momentum should continue.
For those doubting Willian...I mean, have you not learned yet? This is Silva's Fulham...where the underestimated come to excel. Raul, Lukic, Berge, Muniz, Pereira, Iwobi, Willian 1.0...to name a few.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:58:08 PMQuote from: jayffc on February 03, 2025, 09:56:50 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:54:43 PMThe worst bit is that the timing stinks. I am always a glass half full but even I am stumped with this one; we're talking about signing someone that's a free agent, why is it even something we're working on during deadline day when he could be registered whenever (and he's currently watching Chelsea at Stamford Bridge so it's not even a priority for him). It's not even like the Wilson news is super last minute, Chukwueze was available before & Milan wanted him out, plus he pushes to start and improve us, Willian will likely warm the bench and not be in physical condition to even start for weeks so it's just totally meh considering we'll be paying him a decent chunk of money for the priviledge
Oops
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886533539321274397?t=d4qMWnLAAoEq9EMvhYxmyA&s=19
That doesn't contradict what I've said though does it? He's not played a competitive game in months and he wouldn't be able to train with the first team because he's not registered with the club
Because it's about the timing of it ..it's not seemingly something that were scrambling around to do today. He's been here for weeks training and was seemingly therefore always a possibility, maybe also depending on wether other options manifested and weighing them up while assessing him. Seeing as it appears they haven't found a deal they deem better than using him, on we go and get him signed ready for the next game, we knew we had Willian in pocket worst case it seems, but stick out to end of window, check out the options, weigh it up against what we're seeing in training...make a decision. Simples
We need a Right Back. Tete out until april
Quote from: jayffc on February 03, 2025, 09:56:50 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:54:43 PMThe worst bit is that the timing stinks. I am always a glass half full but even I am stumped with this one; we're talking about signing someone that's a free agent, why is it even something we're working on during deadline day when he could be registered whenever (and he's currently watching Chelsea at Stamford Bridge so it's not even a priority for him). It's not even like the Wilson news is super last minute, Chukwueze was available before & Milan wanted him out, plus he pushes to start and improve us, Willian will likely warm the bench and not be in physical condition to even start for weeks so it's just totally meh considering we'll be paying him a decent chunk of money for the priviledge
Oops
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886533539321274397?t=d4qMWnLAAoEq9EMvhYxmyA&s=19
So he's been training with us for 4 weeks. Presumably whilst we have assessed his fitness and got him up to speed. 🤷🏻
With the way the boards melting down at least hell be nailed on to come off the bench and whip in a far post curler in his first game back 😂
Yes - so he has already been assessed and whatever he is " demanding " ( the way some see it ) - management have decided it is worth it . Some on here,not knowing what that amount is , deem this to be terrible . Fair enough but as a wise man once said "some know the price of everything and ........".....I will let them complete the sentence.
In Marco I trust
Quote from: DevonFFC on February 03, 2025, 10:00:44 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 09:58:19 PMQuote from: DevonFFC on February 03, 2025, 09:55:25 PMWe really are dog shite in transfer windows.
Silva will play this down in the press conference but he surely must be looking g at the board thinking he's being mugged off here.
Willian, was a good player for us but at the end of his second stint he was already showing signs of not being the player he was the first time round.
He tits about every time longing it out before signing for us, to which he will be overweight, off the pace and no use to us(want to be proven wrong).
We showed very little ambition here and unless some miracle happens it doesn't look like we will be getting a rb in either.
I would be shocked if Marco wasn't the one pushing for Willian
Well doesn't look like he had any other options than an aging Willian
We don't know that either
https://Twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1886535560312844754
Quote from: Matt10 on February 03, 2025, 10:04:01 PMQuote from: jayffc on February 03, 2025, 09:56:50 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 09:54:43 PMThe worst bit is that the timing stinks. I am always a glass half full but even I am stumped with this one; we're talking about signing someone that's a free agent, why is it even something we're working on during deadline day when he could be registered whenever (and he's currently watching Chelsea at Stamford Bridge so it's not even a priority for him). It's not even like the Wilson news is super last minute, Chukwueze was available before & Milan wanted him out, plus he pushes to start and improve us, Willian will likely warm the bench and not be in physical condition to even start for weeks so it's just totally meh considering we'll be paying him a decent chunk of money for the priviledge
Oops
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886533539321274397?t=d4qMWnLAAoEq9EMvhYxmyA&s=19
So he's been training with us for 4 weeks. Presumably whilst we have assessed his fitness and got him up to speed.
That's great news. Had to have passed some tests to lead to a signing. I think Willian will be good for us regardless.
Still upset we didn't get a new player, but at least the dressing room will be strong and momentum should continue.
For those doubting Willian...I mean, have you not learned yet? This is Silva's Fulham...where the underestimated come to excel. Raul, Lukic, Berge, Muniz, Pereira, Iwobi, Willian 1.0...to name a few.
AP and Muniz are still underperforming
Quote from: IloveFFC on February 03, 2025, 10:04:19 PMWe need a Right Back. Tete out until april
This is by far the bigger issue than frigging Willian coming back!!! Hope there is something crazy quiet going on behind the scenes or this is a real concern.
Quote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:03:55 PMWould have taken Evan Ferguson all day
Me too
A loan with an option would have been great but after the Broja loan last year and our two strikers scoring regularly doubt Brighton or Ferguson would have been interested vs West Ham with no fit strikers and his old manager who he has a relationship with I'm afraid.
Quote from: C Block on February 03, 2025, 09:50:53 PMSo if I've got this right, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be advocating us signing a 36 year old on the best part of £100k a week who at some point won't even be on the bench,
Is that right ?
Please make it make sense.
So, if I've got this right, you've completely made up what his wages would be? Of course I wouldn't be ecstatic if he was paid that much, but we are in dire need of a winger if we let Godo go. And I very much doubt he'd be paid anywhere near that amount.
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:08:18 PMQuote from: IloveFFC on February 03, 2025, 10:04:19 PMWe need a Right Back. Tete out until april
This is by far the bigger issue than frigging Willian coming back!!! Hope there is something crazy quiet going on behind the scenes or this is a real concern.
Very good post
Can't say I'm keen to see Willian back, his form took a pretty steep dive in his final months with us and he's done absolutely nothing of note since then. Plus he takes up a squad slot. But I suppose if Marco wants him back so be it.
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:08:18 PMQuote from: IloveFFC on February 03, 2025, 10:04:19 PMWe need a Right Back. Tete out until april
This is by far the bigger issue than frigging Willian coming back!!! Hope there is something crazy quiet going on behind the scenes or this is a real concern.
I wonder if Sess is the cover when we go to 3 back in the event Castagne's injured. Maybe Castagne will have a break vs Wigan so we can know what's going on there.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 03, 2025, 10:11:38 PMQuote from: C Block on February 03, 2025, 09:50:53 PMSo if I've got this right, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be advocating us signing a 36 year old on the best part of £100k a week who at some point won't even be on the bench,
Is that right ?
Please make it make sense.
So, if I've got this right, you've completely made up what his wages would be? Of course I wouldn't be ecstatic if he was paid that much, but we are in dire need of a winger if we let Godo go. And I very much doubt he'd be paid anywhere near that amount.
He's not really made it up entirely though has he, more an educated guess than pure invention.
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:08:18 PMThis is by far the bigger issue than frigging Willian coming back!!! Hope there is something crazy quiet going on behind the scenes or this is a real concern.
If we can't get anyone else, I'd offer Aurier or Bouna Sarr a deal until the end of the season, as they seem like the best of a bad bunch of free agent rightbacks.
Quote from: HV71 on February 03, 2025, 10:11:57 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:08:18 PMQuote from: IloveFFC on February 03, 2025, 10:04:19 PMWe need a Right Back. Tete out until april
This is by far the bigger issue than frigging Willian coming back!!! Hope there is something crazy quiet going on behind the scenes or this is a real concern.
Very good post
Fully agree. We really are thin in that position.
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:11:33 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:03:55 PMWould have taken Evan Ferguson all day
Me too
A loan with an option would have been great but after the Broja loan last year and our two strikers scoring regularly doubt Brighton or Ferguson would have been interested vs West Ham with no fit strikers and his old manager who he has a relationship with I'm afraid.
13 goals between two of them in 24 matches? a chunk are penalties! EF would have started for Fulham
Quote from: Twig on February 03, 2025, 10:13:56 PMHe's not really made it up entirely though has he, more an educated guess than pure invention.
Why would anyone(us or otherwise) offer him that much after his unsuccessful spell at Olympiacos? I mean I guess it's possible, but I think it's unlikely. Seems like a bad estimation in my opinion.
This whole window has been based on our point tally so far. Even the board are packing their suitcases.
Quote from: South Coast White on February 03, 2025, 10:18:30 PMThis whole window has been based on our point tally so far. Even the board are packing their suitcases.
Which is such a shame, it is the "Make Do" transfer window
Quote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:14:46 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:11:33 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:03:55 PMWould have taken Evan Ferguson all day
Me too
A loan with an option would have been great but after the Broja loan last year and our two strikers scoring regularly doubt Brighton or Ferguson would have been interested vs West Ham with no fit strikers and his old manager who he has a relationship with I'm afraid.
13 goals between two of them in 24 matches? a chunk are penalties! EF would have started for Fulham
You mean the more than a goal every other game that is always been deemed to be a top prem level striker return? You might want to check out EF s record the last two seasons in comparison. Absolutely no guarantee he would have started with us. Almost 100% he'll start for West Ham who have no fit strikers and who when fit also don't have anywhere near as good a record as ours. ::thumb::
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:24:33 PMQuote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:14:46 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:11:33 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:03:55 PMWould have taken Evan Ferguson all day
Me too
A loan with an option would have been great but after the Broja loan last year and our two strikers scoring regularly doubt Brighton or Ferguson would have been interested vs West Ham with no fit strikers and his old manager who he has a relationship with I'm afraid.
13 goals between two of them in 24 matches? a chunk are penalties! EF would have started for Fulham
You mean the more than a goal every other game that is always been deemed to be a top prem level striker return? You might want to check out EF s record the last two seasons in comparison. Absolutely no guarantee he would have started with us. Almost 100% he'll start for West Ham who have no fit strikers and who when fit also don't have anywhere near as good a record as ours. ::thumb::
For one striker yes, not 2!
Sky confirming Willian is match fit and ready to start for Fulham,
Just on Sky, Willam is Match fit and will be signing Tuesday.
Just stated on Sky, Willian has had loads of offers but wants Fulham as he loves the club, Marco and want Fulham. He is 100% match fit and is ready go. Will have medical and sign tomorrow.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 03, 2025, 10:14:17 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:08:18 PMThis is by far the bigger issue than frigging Willian coming back!!! Hope there is something crazy quiet going on behind the scenes or this is a real concern.
If we can't get anyone else, I'd offer Aurier or Bouna Sarr a deal until the end of the season, as they seem like the best of a bad bunch of free agent rightbacks.
Yeah to be fair think we'll have to and as pure back up would have to do. Just don't seem to have been many options. Really hoping it's because Tete is staying so no one wanted to just loan. If so difficult as what club wants to give away a decent player for loan. Not many decent RB s around as it is.
Cairney said on Sky that Willian is 100% the best player he has ever played with, sees things before others and at another level. Can't see any downside, knows the player and system and will fit straight in.
Quote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:14:46 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:11:33 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:03:55 PMWould have taken Evan Ferguson all day
Me too
A loan with an option would have been great but after the Broja loan last year and our two strikers scoring regularly doubt Brighton or Ferguson would have been interested vs West Ham with no fit strikers and his old manager who he has a relationship with I'm afraid.
13 goals between two of them in 24 matches? a chunk are penalties! EF would have started for Fulham
Rodrigo Muniz: 13 PL goals in 2265 minutes
Evan Ferguson: 13 PL goals in 2586 minutes
Quote from: StuinSalop on February 03, 2025, 10:26:35 PMJust stated on Sky, Willian has had loads of offers but wants Fulham as he loves the club, Marco and want Fulham. He is 100% match fit and is ready go. Will have medical and sign tomorrow.
If that's the case then why did he not sign another deal previously?
Quote from: StuinSalop on February 03, 2025, 10:26:35 PMJust stated on Sky, Willian has had loads of offers but wants Fulham as he loves the club, Marco and want Fulham. He is 100% match fit and is ready go. Will have medical and sign tomorrow.
Loves the club?
Forget it. We are local to his Chelsea home & stupid enough to take the Chelsea Pensioner back on our books. He was done when he left last time. He will not have improved.
I'll change my mind when he scores the winner for us in this seasons FA Cup final. Against Chelsea.
Quote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:25:39 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:24:33 PMQuote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:14:46 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 10:11:33 PMQuote from: St Eve on February 03, 2025, 10:05:54 PMQuote from: KentFulham on February 03, 2025, 10:03:55 PMWould have taken Evan Ferguson all day
Me too
A loan with an option would have been great but after the Broja loan last year and our two strikers scoring regularly doubt Brighton or Ferguson would have been interested vs West Ham with no fit strikers and his old manager who he has a relationship with I'm afraid.
13 goals between two of them in 24 matches? a chunk are penalties! EF would have started for Fulham
You mean the more than a goal every other game that is always been deemed to be a top prem level striker return? You might want to check out EF s record the last two seasons in comparison. Absolutely no guarantee he would have started with us. Almost 100% he'll start for West Ham who have no fit strikers and who when fit also don't have anywhere near as good a record as ours. ::thumb::
For one striker yes, not 2!
They've shared the mins mate. They are both better than a goal every other game. I'll post this again:
' Raul has a goal every 169 mins this season...a few mins behind Watkins and a min better than Cunha. Muniz is one every 168. Only bettered by Duran, Isaak, Wood, Haaland, Jota and Wissa for strikers with many mins. Miles better than the likes of Strand Larson, Solanke, Evanilson, Hojland and a load of other ridiculously expensive strikers. They were around this last season as well. Muniz after the first 3 games when he was completely off it is actually a goal every 100 mins or so.'
Ferguson is a goal every 237 mins this year and 228 mins last year. Absolutely no guarantee he would have started and doubt as a result Brighton or he would have been interested as a result as I say.
Muniz and Raul might be rejoicing at Willians return as they now have a team mate who can actually cross a ball with accuracy.
Quote from: demeant0r on February 03, 2025, 10:31:40 PMQuote from: StuinSalop on February 03, 2025, 10:26:35 PMJust stated on Sky, Willian has had loads of offers but wants Fulham as he loves the club, Marco and want Fulham. He is 100% match fit and is ready go. Will have medical and sign tomorrow.
If that's the case then why did he not sign another deal previously?
I guess one last hoorah in the champions league having got back to a high level at Fulham... somewhere beautiful to enjoy playing for a new experience before retirement?
I didnt love that he played around when departing here and don't think he's besotted with Fulham to the core but i don't doubt he probably did still very much enjoy his time here and was always a popular figure in the dressing room. We just need serviceable back up till the summer. We've got it.
Not bothered by willian signing. We don't really need a wide player with nelson back very soon and our next league game in 2 weeks. Fills a spot on the bench
Quote from: jayffc on February 03, 2025, 10:38:36 PMQuote from: demeant0r on February 03, 2025, 10:31:40 PMQuote from: StuinSalop on February 03, 2025, 10:26:35 PMJust stated on Sky, Willian has had loads of offers but wants Fulham as he loves the club, Marco and want Fulham. He is 100% match fit and is ready go. Will have medical and sign tomorrow.
If that's the case then why did he not sign another deal previously?
I guess one last hoorah in the champions league having got back to a high level at Fulham... somewhere beautiful to enjoy playing for a new experience before retirement?
I didnt love that he played around when departing here and don't think he's besotted with Fulham to the core but i don't doubt he probably did still very much enjoy his time here and was always a popular figure in the dressing room. We just need serviceable back up till the summer. We've got it.
It was actually the Europa League, not Champions League. He did spend time with the Marinakis family the previous summer, so there's some tie in.
He had been talking about wanting to play for a Champions League side though, which gave me the impression he thought he was a little above us. It's been slightly confusing as he had also been saying how much he wanted to be in London. His entire post Chelsea career has been curious. Three contracts broken early (Arsenal, Corinthians, Olympiacos) and a lot of indecision while here.
Totally agree with second paragraph. Seems very popular at Fulham so I'll get behind it.
Have to admit, I'm not too impressed if Willian returns.
He made it clear the last two summers, he wasn't that keen on coming back here.
It's pure desperation on his part if he comes back now. Personally, I think he made his bed and should be made to lie in it.
Do you think we will submit a deal sheet?
Quote from: Jims Dentist on February 03, 2025, 07:37:03 PMAfter all their forward signings, Villa have apparently said that Leon Bailey is available.
A loan to us would be really good, but likely too late now.
I wouldn't be disappointed if this happened.
Forest have signed a young winger from PSV and Bournemouth a young striker from Lorient.
Would have been nice to see a bit of forward planning here like the above; but sure Willian will do a job til the end of the season - we all know we need a bit of leadership at times in this squad and he can help with that.
'Willian had lots of options but wanted Silva reunion'
Latest from Sky Sports News' Kaveh Solhekol:
"Willian had lots of options and clubs were interested in signing him. But he wanted to go back to Fulham as he really enjoys working with Marco Silva. We're told he is match fit and ready to play."
Quote from: hopper on February 03, 2025, 10:57:58 PMForest have signed a young winger from PSV and Bournemouth a young striker from Lorient.
Not sure signing a young striker from Leyton Orient is anything to shout about ... ::wink::
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1886550340931035335
We've replaced 35 year old Willian with 36 year old Willian and he's getting 100k a week... nice to know that's what the ground full of tourists affords us nowadays
Quote from: Barrett487 on February 03, 2025, 10:59:08 PM'Willian had lots of options but wanted Silva reunion'
Latest from Sky Sports News' Kaveh Solhekol:
"Willian had lots of options and clubs were interested in signing him. But he wanted to go back to Fulham as he really enjoys working with Marco Silva. We're told he is match fit and ready to play."
But we're always being told not to believe everything we see in the media. I'm neutral about him returning but those quotes smack of lazy, filler journalism to me.
Very underwhelming window.
Steep wage but woulda likely been a couple million loan fee plus wages for whoever we signed anyway so much of muchness in the financial regard. Hope he comes back into the fray and puts on a show.
Either way hope we have a good end to the season and can secure a top half finish. Rb cover would have been nice but seems well ride our luck there. 🤞🏻🤞🏻
100k per week so our highest paid player or close thereto
Seems like some journalists are reporting it now too, so fair play
@C Block. Seems like too much, but then again, considering it's very much a short term deal, this won't affect our budget that significantly.
The Godo rumours have been quiet though. Is he still going on loan?
Short term deal to end of the season to cover Wilson's injury.
Quality player who knows the system, style of play, squad and what's expected of him.
Imagine he'll be an option off of the bench primarily, unless he plays well enough to merit starting and if so, great.
So long as he is fit and it's to end of the the season I don't really see what the issue is.
As stop gap cover options go it's a pretty safe bet. Really nothing to get upset about.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:02:36 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1886550340931035335
We've replaced 35 year old Willian with 36 year old Willian and he's getting 100k a week... nice to know that's what the ground full of tourists affords us nowadays
'Reportedly getting £100k a week' doesn't make it factual. The club would be foolish to offer a 36 year old out of work footballer £100k a week wouldn't they ?
Quote from: Barrett487 on February 03, 2025, 10:59:08 PM'Willian had lots of options but wanted Silva reunion'
Latest from Sky Sports News' Kaveh Solhekol:
"Willian had lots of options and clubs were interested in signing him. But he wanted to go back to Fulham as he really enjoys working with Marco Silva. We're told he is match fit and ready to play."
Watching this Solhekol bloke, I always get the feeling he's just making it up as goes along. Never sounds very informed or particularly convincing.
But if this is actually accurate reporting of something Willian said, then the famous words of Mandy Rice-Davies instantly come to mind - 'He would say that, wouldn't he?'
His salary really is making me laugh.
Does anyone honestly care on here if Khan is a bit more out of pocket????
If it had been the current 3 year rules next year I'd be a bit annoyed about it as every penny counts and this would have gone towards the loss calculation.
I'll say it again however...it is of zero consequence to our PSR position next year as the new rules look in year rather than 3 years. Means zero impact on our budget next year which is surely what we all we care about as fans???
Or are we all crying for Mr Khan that he has a bit less money to spend on his next yacht??
:slap:
WHERE'S THE RIGHT BACK??!!
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on February 03, 2025, 11:05:02 PMVery underwhelming window.
Didn't expect much, the team is balanced and have s good dressing room, cover for RB would have been good but to be honest we don't know how far Tete is away from fitness so why bring players in when they may not fit in half way through the season
I think SL is right and we'll be going for a free agent at right back. Surely can't be risking going the rest of the season with just one.
https://twitter.com/FFCJoe/status/1886556199958552988
I agree with Joe. Lack of ambition from the board in this window...
Quote from: KJS on February 03, 2025, 11:23:12 PMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on February 03, 2025, 11:05:02 PMVery underwhelming window.
Didn't expect much, the team is balanced and have s good dressing room, cover for RB would have been good but to be honest we don't know how far Tete is away from fitness so why bring players in when they may not fit in half way through the season
Tetes not due back until April.
Let's just hope Willians still up too
Scratch,,, 100K a week
😳
Why bother when Nelson's coming back ? With Sess and king as back ups
All seems a bit pointless to me but oh well we shall see
https://twitter.com/mcgrathmike/status/1886553908543111652
So we've also wasted a youth team players pathway into the first team squad for basically no reason then. Poor Godo has had a loan to a championship club fail on deadline day two windows running because we've not got our house in order, that's quite poor
Apparently Tete out until April so would have been nice to see us sign some cover there (even on loan and I'm rarely a fan of loan signings).
Other than that I wasn't expecting to see anyone come in as there is rarely ever any true value found in signing players in January unless you are desperately fighting relegation, are decimated by injury, or both.
Willian won't take much (re)integration at least, especially if he's been training with us for 4 weeks. If that fact alone is true then I'd assume he has proven his fitness and/or passed some sort of metric set by Silva, the coaching team and the club whereby re-signing him is going to benefit us. There were plenty of eye rolling last time we signed him and seeing as Silva and the club were inarguably proved right about him last time, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing when it comes to him.
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 11:17:57 PMOr are we all crying for Mr Khan that he has a bit less money to spend on his next yacht??
Pretty sure Khan stopped underwriting our transfers a while back now, we're living entirely off TV money and tourists in the Riverside
Which is exactly why our sole transfer business is an ex with a freedom pass
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886557198219620825
Sounds like Chukwueze turned us down. Crazy as unlikely to play at AC Milan and you would have thought the Iwobi and Bassey connection would have been a huge factor. Gutting. Even more gutting is that has blocked the Godo loan as looks like Silva feels not enough cover with just 1 and not 2 in.
Quote from: IloveFFC on February 03, 2025, 11:25:54 PMhttps://twitter.com/FFCJoe/status/1886556199958552988
I agree with Joe. Lack of ambition from the board in this window...
Yeah he's a total imbecile compared to
"Joe" whoever the F he is posting crap on X
I find the lack of respect thrown at Tony Knan to be revolting
X
As expected we tried to cover for two positions but Willian was the option as cover. We didn't need extra players and to spend out. So makes sense and as expected. No need to panic for once and a calm window. We are always a suspension or injury away from problems so why spend and panic in January. Especially with the way things have been going.
Quote from: perry geyton on February 03, 2025, 11:33:16 PMQuote from: IloveFFC on February 03, 2025, 11:25:54 PMhttps://twitter.com/FFCJoe/status/1886556199958552988
I agree with Joe. Lack of ambition from the board in this window...
Yeah he's a total imbecile compared to
"Joe" whoever the F he is posting crap on X
I find the lack of respect thrown at Tony Knan to be revolting
X
It will indeed be interesting to see how this is squared with Silva's comments, though
https://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=2469;image
Welcome back
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:29:44 PMhttps://twitter.com/mcgrathmike/status/1886553908543111652
So we've also wasted a youth team players pathway into the first team squad for basically no reason then. Poor Godo has had a loan to a championship club fail on deadline day two windows running because we've not got our house in order, that's quite poor
Or we tried to find the cover to enable a loan but the player turned us down. We can't help that. Chukwueze Was probably one of the only options in January that was of a good enough level and actually viable for us to come in. It didn't work. End of the day Godo just isn't good enough for the prem yet. With ESR and Sess able to play out there I would have still pushed forward with the loan with Willian having come in so that is the bit that is really disappointing for me.
Hasn't Silva occasionally used William as a right wing back?
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 11:39:27 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:29:44 PMhttps://twitter.com/mcgrathmike/status/1886553908543111652
So we've also wasted a youth team players pathway into the first team squad for basically no reason then. Poor Godo has had a loan to a championship club fail on deadline day two windows running because we've not got our house in order, that's quite poor
Or we tried to find the cover to enable a loan but the player turned us down. We can't help that. Chukwueze Was probably one of the only options in January that was of a good enough level and actually viable for us to come in. It didn't work. End of the day Godo just isn't good enough for the prem yet. With ESR and Sess able to play out there I would have still pushed forward with the loan with Willian having come in so that is the bit that is really disappointing for me.
Well yeah he's not at prem standard but the point is we've stuffed up two loans two windows running that would allow him to play in the championship and let us understand if he's actually going to make the grade or not. He's deffo not going to get a game now because he's got four better players in front of him and if Wilson is back this season then it's 5
Quote from: copthornemike on February 03, 2025, 11:40:38 PMHasn't Silva occasionally used William as a right wing back?
He has but he was way better left. I'd say Iwobi is the more interchangeable of the two. But we have Sess, ESR, Willian, Iwobi and Nelson who could play left and Adama, Willian and Iwobi who could play right if needed. Pretty annoying that they didn't let Godo go on what would have been a great loan option for him.
Lack of RB cover is a problem, and as Joe says Silva did publicly ask for this. We don't have anyone now currently in squad that can go there, if there's an issue with Castagne I guess we'd do a back 5 with Iwobi at RB?
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:45:09 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 11:39:27 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:29:44 PMhttps://twitter.com/mcgrathmike/status/1886553908543111652
So we've also wasted a youth team players pathway into the first team squad for basically no reason then. Poor Godo has had a loan to a championship club fail on deadline day two windows running because we've not got our house in order, that's quite poor
Or we tried to find the cover to enable a loan but the player turned us down. We can't help that. Chukwueze Was probably one of the only options in January that was of a good enough level and actually viable for us to come in. It didn't work. End of the day Godo just isn't good enough for the prem yet. With ESR and Sess able to play out there I would have still pushed forward with the loan with Willian having come in so that is the bit that is really disappointing for me.
Well yeah he's not at prem standard but the point is we've stuffed up two loans two windows running that would allow him to play in the championship and let us understand if he's actually going to make the grade or not. He's deffo not going to get a game now because he's got four better players in front of him and if Wilson is back this season then it's 5
Yeah agree with that to a point. Not easy finding top level wingers in Jan however. I honestly as per my last post feel with Willian we have enough cover so annoyed that we didn't just let him go to be fair despite not getting Chukwueze in the end.
Devon Tanton has been recalled from his loan at Chesterfield. He can be cover at right back and Ryan Sess can also cover there if needs be. Not ideal but hardly worth all the moans and complaints.
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1886559103507448029
I don't believe this for a single second because the leap from not even starting every week in League 2 to being a depth option in the PL is a galactic sized leap
De Fougerolles could play at right back too...
Tanton is a sensible recall... is he cup tied for the FA on Saturday?
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:50:45 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1886559103507448029
I don't believe this for a single second because the leap from not even starting every week in League 2 to being a depth option in the PL is a galactic sized leap
He was first choice RB on loan but injuries sidelined him. Supposedly he will be fit soon. I really hope it was Silva that decided that he'd rather go with Tanton and Sess than sign a player he doesn't rate rather than it being forced on him.
Do think signing Aurier is a no brainer. Worst case is he is useless and we are out a few months wages.
Wonder what happened to the lad from Man City which was apparently agreed last week?
https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1886564347566022844
With no RB backup, wingers are going to be targeting Castagne more now.
Quote from: perry geyton on February 03, 2025, 11:33:16 PMQuote from: IloveFFC on February 03, 2025, 11:25:54 PMhttps://twitter.com/FFCJoe/status/1886556199958552988
I agree with Joe. Lack of ambition from the board in this window...
Yeah he's a total imbecile compared to
"Joe" whoever the F he is posting crap on X
I find the lack of respect thrown at Tony Knan to be revolting
X
"We are 1 point off Europe" (?)
(...with this squad you helped assemble being the ones that have us in contention in the first place) but also
"You imbecile"
Some Fulham fans are delusional I swear
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:50:45 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1886559103507448029
I don't believe this for a single second because the leap from not even starting every week in League 2 to being a depth option in the PL is a galactic sized leap
He's not starting because he's had a muscle injury but is close to fitness again apparently
When he's played there he's been good from the reports I've heard fwiw
Highly rated before he went out on loan. Hopefully if called upon he can step up but in reality I hope we see Tete eventually return and that he ends up extending his contract. In which case id have been happier with that chain of events than signing Celik tbh!
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:59:00 PMWonder what happened to the lad from Man City which was apparently agreed last week?
https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1886564347566022844
I would assume it's still happening. The priority on reporting a youth move to Fulham is pretty far down the list especially when so much other stuff is going on.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:59:00 PMWonder what happened to the lad from Man City which was apparently agreed last week?
https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1886564347566022844
We got our 20 goal a season man! Ha
Good luck to the young lad though. Didnt really work out for here for Bowie but hopefully he fairs better.
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 11:25:39 PMI think SL is right and we'll be going for a free agent at right back. Surely can't be risking going the rest of the season with just one.
Slim pickings though, but I'm fine with that if we get Tete to sign a new contract, as that would mean that whoever we sign would only be an emergency option if Castagne gets injured before Tete comes back.
As I said, Aurier or Bouna Sarr are by far the best options available, in my opinion at least. Aurier has plenty of PL experience too.
Other players that played at a high level before (domestic league or European competitions):Timothy Fosu-Mensah (haven't seen much of him since he left us) and Mario Fernandes (was great for Russian NT, but God knows what his fitness status is). Rest seem to be players that played in the USA, Mexico, the Championship, some poor European leagues, injured players or extremely poor players.
I'd go with Aurier personally. I see Tanton is being considered, but wasn't the reason his loan was cut short due to an injury? Plus, he's inexperienced at this level... I don't know, I'd rather get Aurier, if he's up for it, as a more secure option.
Quote from: btffc on February 03, 2025, 11:58:25 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:50:45 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1886559103507448029
I don't believe this for a single second because the leap from not even starting every week in League 2 to being a depth option in the PL is a galactic sized leap
He was first choice RB on loan but injuries sidelined him. Supposedly he will be fit soon. I really hope it was Silva that decided that he'd rather go with Tanton and Sess than sign a player he doesn't rate rather than it being forced on him.
Do think signing Aurier is a no brainer. Worst case is he is useless and we are out a few months wages.
Agree with this re Aurier as a stop game until Tete returns. Seemed to do okay at Forrest didn't he? Not seen much of Tanton. LDF looked decent pre season last year at centre back and started as a right back. Could one of them step up? Maybe but a massive ask. Got to think about the level of prem winger here. Anthony Gordon last game flying at a kid who's never played a prem game before. Terrifying me. Have to say if that is the clubs plan and it goes horribly wrong serious questions have to be asked here. Fair play if they knew Tete was staying so only wanted a short term solution but as SL points out above there are a few free agents that could do the job here.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 04, 2025, 12:10:19 AMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 11:25:39 PMI think SL is right and we'll be going for a free agent at right back. Surely can't be risking going the rest of the season with just one.
Slim pickings though, but I'm fine with that if we get Tete to sign a new contract, as that would mean that whoever we sign would only be an emergency option if Castagne gets injured before Tete comes back.
As I said, Aurier or Bouna Sarr are by far the best options available, in my opinion at least. Aurier has plenty of PL experience too.
Other players that played at a high level before (domestic league or European competitions):Timothy Fosu-Mensah (haven't seen much of him since he left us) and Mario Fernandes (was great for Russian NT, but God knows what his fitness status is). Rest seem to be players that played in the USA, Mexico, the Championship, some poor European leagues, injured players or extremely poor players.
I'd go with Aurier personally. I see Tanton is being considered, but wasn't the reason his loan was cut short due to an injury? Plus, he's inexperienced at this level... I don't know, I'd rather get Aurier, if he's up for it, as a more secure option.
Nope he's nearly back to fitness apparently...edit ***..... He was indeed sent back through reportedly because of the injury so mixed messages online at the moment.
Their fans thought he was quality when he played though so shame he's had issues keeping fit there (along with a mad number of players)
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 03, 2025, 11:46:00 PMQuote from: copthornemike on February 03, 2025, 11:40:38 PMHasn't Silva occasionally used William as a right wing back?
He has but he was way better left. I'd say Iwobi is the more interchangeable of the two. But we have Sess, ESR, Willian, Iwobi and Nelson who could play left and Adama, Willian and Iwobi who could play right if needed. Pretty annoying that they didn't let Godo go on what would have been a great loan option for him.
I do remember that unbelievable goal
He scored last season from the right
So maybe that's feasible
People forget we have Harrison Reed who can also play right-back if need, he was playing there in youth categories at Southampton.
Tanton biggest problem was with all his energy and stamina he was very lite weight, chesterfield cut his loan short to finish jan 1st rather than the whole season because A they had more loans than needed so they couldn't field them all and quoted that he kept getting injured during training against the older men and struggled with fitness that doesn't look good in the future he is 22 next birthday isn't playing for 21 s at moment.
Quote from: FFC007 on February 03, 2025, 11:54:29 PMDe Fougerolles could play at right back too...
Tanton is a sensible recall... is he cup tied for the FA on Saturday?
I almost forgot about him
Quote from: Pavel Dempsey on February 04, 2025, 12:14:30 AMPeople forget we have Harrison Reed who can also play right-back if need, he was playing there in youth categories at Southampton.
Yeah good point. Saw someone mention that on X and wouldn't be surprised at all if that is actually the primary back up plan to a Timmy injury. Maybe they have been working on that in training and with the Roma guy falling though (who didn't sound like a great option anyway) they just thought this was as good as anything available.
Quote from: MickTheBeard on February 04, 2025, 12:15:29 AMTanton biggest problem was with all his energy and stamina he was very lite weight, chesterfield cut his loan short to finish jan 1st rather than the whole season because A they had more loans than needed so they couldn't field them all and quoted that he kept getting injured during training against the older men and struggled with fitness that doesn't look good in the future he is 22 next birthday isn't playing for 21 s at moment.
Chesterfield had something ridiculous like 13 players out injured in December. Perhaps at that point they should be looking at how they're working with the players because evidentially it wasn't just Devan struggling.
Reading mixed things about when he's due back. Some said within the next month, some unsure as to if it's a longer thing. Either way will hope Castagne keeps fit for now and worry about this bridge if we cross it
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 04, 2025, 12:13:02 AMQuote from: btffc on February 03, 2025, 11:58:25 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:50:45 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1886559103507448029
I don't believe this for a single second because the leap from not even starting every week in League 2 to being a depth option in the PL is a galactic sized leap
He was first choice RB on loan but injuries sidelined him. Supposedly he will be fit soon. I really hope it was Silva that decided that he'd rather go with Tanton and Sess than sign a player he doesn't rate rather than it being forced on him.
Do think signing Aurier is a no brainer. Worst case is he is useless and we are out a few months wages.
Agree with this re Aurier as a stop game until Tete returns. Seemed to do okay at Forrest didn't he? Not seen much of Tanton. LDF looked decent pre season last year at centre back and started as a right back. Could one of them step up? Maybe but a massive ask. Got to think about the level of prem winger here. Anthony Gordon last game flying at a kid who's never played a prem game before. Terrifying me. Have to say if that is the clubs plan and it goes horribly wrong serious questions have to be asked here. Fair play if they knew Tete was staying so only wanted a short term solution but as SL points out above there are a few free agents that could do the job here.
Believe LDF is injured
He's quality would've been useful in the last few home games
I had been waiting to hear that Devan Tanton would be recalled...
Funny how the moaners want to complain about an academy grad not getting a chance in Godo, but think that recalling Tanton is a waste because he's not up to it (and we should try to sign Aurier or some other OAP).
To refresh the memories of some, Devan Tanton played the most minutes of any U21 player last year and was essentially ever-present. He was also awarded the scholar footballer of the year "Johnny Haynes Trophy", an award given the previous season to Jay Stansfield, and the year before that to Fabio Carvalho, so I would imagine he's well regarded by the Fulham management. That would include Marco, who gave him his first team debut last season, plus a place in the starting 11 in our Carabao cup round of 16 away win over Ipswich in Nov 2023.
He went out on loan to Chesterfield this past summer and was awarded the Man of the Match in their season's opening game.
Happy to have him in the Fulham first team and pushing for his place in the rotation. Wigan may be too soon, but we shall see...
Welcome back, Devan.
So Willian signs and it's been kept quiet that he's been training with us for 4 weeks....isnt there another high profile player, supposedly training with us, available on a free..... ::tongue::
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on February 04, 2025, 03:43:31 AMI had been waiting to hear that Devan Tanton would be recalled...
Funny how the moaners want to complain about an academy grad not getting a chance in Godo, but think that recalling Tanton is a waste because he's not up to it (and we should try to sign Aurier or some other OAP).
To refresh the memories of some, Devan Tanton played the most minutes of any U21 player last year and was essentially ever-present. He was also awarded the scholar footballer of the year "Johnny Haynes Trophy", an award given the previous season to Jay Stansfield, and the year before that to Fabio Carvalho, so I would imagine he's well regarded by the Fulham management. That would include Marco, who gave him his first team debut last season, plus a place in the starting 11 in our Carabao cup round of 16 away win over Ipswich in Nov 2023.
He went out on loan to Chesterfield this past summer and was awarded the Man of the Match in their season's opening game.
Happy to have him in the Fulham first team and pushing for his place in the rotation. Wigan may be too soon, but we shall see...
Welcome back, Devan.
Fair enough mate. Good run down. I have watched U21 games when on but I haven't seen much of Devan with that not being very often. Think it was SL and myself that suggested Aurier as a sticking plaster for a few months until Tete returns. To be fair we are two of the few that didn't spend all of last night moaning. I was also saying that unlike King I didn't think Godo was ready from what I've seen of him and that a loan to Watford would be perfect. Think continuing the loan would have been better for Tanton too playing week in week out.
Also think it's less to ask an attacking kid to contribute vs a defensive one at this level as the risk is higher with one mistake costing a game potentially. Note King has been played as a 10 further forward as I believe he plays 8 for the U21 s doesn't he? Prob to mitigate that risk. Look at that poor dear in headlights kid for City last week at 21 and he cost £40m with a load more experience at a higher level.
Anyway I've always said if they are good enough they will play and if that is Marco s assessment I'm all for it and I hope the kid does brilliantly if called upon.
Side note...did we ever sign the city kid that sounded like a done deal at £750k?!?!? Really liked the look of him.
Beyond underwhelming window. If Willian has been training with us for 4 weeks I assume this deal would've been made anyway, even if Wilson didn't get injured, it would've just freed up Godo.
The right back issue is a huge problem. If Castagne gets injured or suspended we're playing with makeshift solutions. Altering formations so Iwobi plays wingback, Sessegnon/Reed who've barely played in their natural position this season will have to cover because I don't think Tanton will be thrown in at the deep end.
Same cycle every year. 1 player short every summer, but we'll address it in January. January arrives and we don't plug gaps because there isn't any value in the market, we'll look in the summer. Summer arrives and we end up short again.
Quote from: ElRay on February 04, 2025, 09:22:46 AMSame cycle every year. 1 player short every summer, but we'll address it in January. January arrives and we don't plug gaps because there isn't any value in the market, we'll look in the summer. Summer arrives and we end up short again.
But we were only ever interested in signing a right back and a winger - neither of which we were short of at the end of the summer window. Your lament doesn't stack up with the positions we focused upon.
When does the Summer silly season transfer thread start 2025/2026 ????
Quote from: ElRay on February 04, 2025, 09:22:46 AMBeyond underwhelming window. If Willian has been training with us for 4 weeks I assume this deal would've been made anyway, even if Wilson didn't get injured, it would've just freed up Godo.
The right back issue is a huge problem. If Castagne gets injured or suspended we're playing with makeshift solutions. Altering formations so Iwobi plays wingback, Sessegnon/Reed who've barely played in their natural position this season will have to cover because I don't think Tanton will be thrown in at the deep end.
Same cycle every year. 1 player short every summer, but we'll address it in January. January arrives and we don't plug gaps because there isn't any value in the market, we'll look in the summer. Summer arrives and we end up short again.
It is annoyingly true re the cycle, same goes for the striker. It is almost as if the club has reached its peak under the current owners, and at best we aim to finish north of relegation, south of the top half
Quote from: KentFulham on February 04, 2025, 10:03:36 AMQuote from: ElRay on February 04, 2025, 09:22:46 AMBeyond underwhelming window. If Willian has been training with us for 4 weeks I assume this deal would've been made anyway, even if Wilson didn't get injured, it would've just freed up Godo.
The right back issue is a huge problem. If Castagne gets injured or suspended we're playing with makeshift solutions. Altering formations so Iwobi plays wingback, Sessegnon/Reed who've barely played in their natural position this season will have to cover because I don't think Tanton will be thrown in at the deep end.
Same cycle every year. 1 player short every summer, but we'll address it in January. January arrives and we don't plug gaps because there isn't any value in the market, we'll look in the summer. Summer arrives and we end up short again.
It is annoyingly true re the cycle, same goes for the striker. It is almost as if the club has reached its peak under the current owners, and at best we aim to finish north of relegation, south of the top half
Surely that all you can really hope for. Stability. The only way the club can get into the elite of the elite is to build a new expandable stadium and grow the fanbase, or invest, keep and play world class young talent to then sell on at huge profit... The problem of the later is that the big multi-club owners are doing this already, have access to champions league, can pay high wages because of their involvement with the champions league
https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1886709103256314026
Quote from: Huxley on February 04, 2025, 10:10:37 AMQuote from: KentFulham on February 04, 2025, 10:03:36 AMQuote from: ElRay on February 04, 2025, 09:22:46 AMBeyond underwhelming window. If Willian has been training with us for 4 weeks I assume this deal would've been made anyway, even if Wilson didn't get injured, it would've just freed up Godo.
The right back issue is a huge problem. If Castagne gets injured or suspended we're playing with makeshift solutions. Altering formations so Iwobi plays wingback, Sessegnon/Reed who've barely played in their natural position this season will have to cover because I don't think Tanton will be thrown in at the deep end.
Same cycle every year. 1 player short every summer, but we'll address it in January. January arrives and we don't plug gaps because there isn't any value in the market, we'll look in the summer. Summer arrives and we end up short again.
It is annoyingly true re the cycle, same goes for the striker. It is almost as if the club has reached its peak under the current owners, and at best we aim to finish north of relegation, south of the top half
Surely that all you can really hope for. Stability. The only way the club can get into the elite of the elite is to build a new expandable stadium and grow the fanbase, or invest, keep and play world class young talent to then sell on at huge profit... The problem of the later is that the big multi-club owners are doing this already, have access to champions league, can pay high wages because of their involvement with the champions league
I guess our stadium has limitations given the location and listed status etc, and to be fair we dont fill it without the help of neutrals. Bournmouth appear to be leading the way on doing it despite a much smaller stadium. There are lots of chicken and egg scenarios such as the champions league one, gain more money, invest etc. Would be good for the fans to understand what the long term stratagy is from the owners though
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 04, 2025, 12:13:02 AMQuote from: btffc on February 03, 2025, 11:58:25 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:50:45 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1886559103507448029
I don't believe this for a single second because the leap from not even starting every week in League 2 to being a depth option in the PL is a galactic sized leap
He was first choice RB on loan but injuries sidelined him. Supposedly he will be fit soon. I really hope it was Silva that decided that he'd rather go with Tanton and Sess than sign a player he doesn't rate rather than it being forced on him.
Do think signing Aurier is a no brainer. Worst case is he is useless and we are out a few months wages.
Agree with this re Aurier as a stop game until Tete returns. Seemed to do okay at Forrest didn't he? Not seen much of Tanton. LDF looked decent pre season last year at centre back and started as a right back. Could one of them step up? Maybe but a massive ask. Got to think about the level of prem winger here. Anthony Gordon last game flying at a kid who's never played a prem game before. Terrifying me. Have to say if that is the clubs plan and it goes horribly wrong serious questions have to be asked here. Fair play if they knew Tete was staying so only wanted a short term solution but as SL points out above there are a few free agents that could do the job here.
Perhaps we didn't like his character
On 26 September 2016, Aurier was found guilty of assaulting a police officer outside a nightclub in Paris. He was sentenced to two months in prison, but remained at liberty pending an appeal.
Coach says some time ago we will have a quiet window. We are looking for cover now Wilson is injured for two positions. He on more than one occasion said we didn't need any forwards.
We tried, got knocked back for the defender. But have recalled players and also have players who can fill in. As opposed to expensive players waiting on the bench. Like Willian will be.
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 04, 2025, 08:06:42 AMSo Willian signs and it's been kept quiet that he's been training with us for 4 weeks....isnt there another high profile player, supposedly training with us, available on a free..... ::tongue::
I've also been quietly hoping for this...
Is it even possible that PP is really training with Fulham? His ban expires in March and he's been released from his contract with Juve, meaning that next month he'd be free to sign with any team...
...and he's 5 years younger than Willian
Quote from: JimmyConway on February 04, 2025, 09:54:16 AMWhen does the Summer silly season transfer thread start 2025/2026 ????
Today
Quote from: btffc on February 03, 2025, 11:58:25 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on February 03, 2025, 11:50:45 PMhttps://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1886559103507448029
I don't believe this for a single second because the leap from not even starting every week in League 2 to being a depth option in the PL is a galactic sized leap
He was first choice RB on loan but injuries sidelined him. Supposedly he will be fit soon. I really hope it was Silva that decided that he'd rather go with Tanton and Sess than sign a player he doesn't rate rather than it being forced on him.
Do think signing Aurier is a no brainer. Worst case is he is useless and we are out a few months wages.
I know Devon Tanton as a near neighbour and would love him to make the grade but he has to get fit first.
https://twitter.com/fulhamacademy/status/1886761772394434915
I just noticed that Marcus Edwards from Sporting Lisbon just signed for Burnley on a loan. That feels like a coup for them. Wouldn't have minded him with us for 6 months.
Quote from: Huxley on February 04, 2025, 10:10:37 AMSurely that all you can really hope for. Stability. The only way the club can get into the elite of the elite is to build a new expandable stadium and grow the fanbase, or invest, keep and play world class young talent to then sell on at huge profit...
I mean, that's what Forest have done, and they'll probably make the Champions' League. Bournemouth only 3 pts off the top 4 with a similarly young team. Brighton, despite being underwhelming in the last year or so, made the blueprint for that model, have consistently breached the top 6, and have another very young side brewing now.
So it clearly works, and equally clearly, we're not even attempting it. We seem to strategising no more than one year ahead and staking a claim for 13th.
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 03:22:49 PMI mean, that's what Forest have done, and they'll probably make the Champions' League. Bournemouth only 3 pts off the top 4 with a similarly young team. Brighton, despite being underwhelming in the last year or so, made the blueprint for that model, have consistently breached the top 6, and have another very young side brewing now.
So it clearly works, and equally clearly, we're not even attempting it. We seem to strategising no more than one year ahead and staking a claim for 13th.
To truly assess how consistently well the blueprint works, it would need to be known which other teams have tried similar and have come up short. For instance, in the summer of 2022, Southampton invested in the likes of Sulemana, Bazuna, Lavia, Alcaraz, Bella-Kotchap, Mara, Edozie - all, at the time, under the age of 21... and the Club promptly suffered relegation after 11 years in the top flight. And despite having returned at the first time of asking, it's evident Southampton are still much weaker than they were during the first 10 seasons of their previous 11-year stay.
Moreover, the smaller the sample size, the greater the margin for error in terms of drawing the conclusion that 'it clearly works'.
Interesting how often Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford and Forest are wheeled out as clubs we should be copying. Then people work out that we are in fact matching and above two of those clubs this season.
I am always staggered by how far we have come and yet how critical a few are. But as I read how upset the Arsenal manager is with the transfer dealings. I guess that is just the way of the World.
Quote from: Arthur on February 04, 2025, 03:59:03 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 03:22:49 PMI mean, that's what Forest have done, and they'll probably make the Champions' League. Bournemouth only 3 pts off the top 4 with a similarly young team. Brighton, despite being underwhelming in the last year or so, made the blueprint for that model, have consistently breached the top 6, and have another very young side brewing now.
So it clearly works, and equally clearly, we're not even attempting it. We seem to strategising no more than one year ahead and staking a claim for 13th.
To truly assess how consistently well the blueprint works, it would need to be known which other teams have tried similar and have come up short. For instance, in the summer of 2022, Southampton invested in the likes of Sulemana, Bazuna, Lavia, Alcaraz, Bella-Kotchap, Mara, Edozie - all, at the time, under the age of 21... and the Club promptly suffered relegation after 11 years in the top flight. And despite having returned at the first time of asking, it's evident Southampton are still much weaker than they were during the first 10 seasons of their previous 11-year stay.
Moreover, the smaller the sample size, the greater the margin for error in terms of drawing the conclusion that 'it clearly works'.
Likewise Burnley last year, lots of young players with not a lot of PL experience.
Peter Rutzler
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886722840319156455
'No RB, told a few reluctant to compete with Castagne and Tete who'll return maybe March earliest'
So basically they didn't want to come knowing they'd never play as Tete and Castagne wouldn't be dropped for them. Can't exactly help that.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 04, 2025, 04:20:54 PMInteresting how often Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford and Forest are wheeled out as clubs we should be copying. Then people work out that we are in fact matching and above two of those clubs this season.
I am always staggered by how far we have come and yet how critical a few are. But as I read how upset the Arsenal manager is with the transfer dealings. I guess that is just the way of the World.
Here here
Indeed , we've been hearing the same stuff from the same people about Brentford and Brighton model for last couple years. Now we're above them it's about how brilliant forest and Bournemouth are...meanwhile I'm just over here trying to enjoy Fulham being top half of the table for majority of the year in one of the most competitive leagues in the world ...something we've achieved not even a full handful of times in my lifetime, without every day being told all the reasons why actually were doing poorly and our transfer team are Incompetent and we should be annoyed all the time because we're not as good as "insert* flavour of the season here 🙈
Football is cyclical, clubs slide up and down the league in waves, if you can't thoroughly enjoy Fulham at around 9th without expending so much energy daily moaning and focussing on the worst possible framing of the situation, ya probably gonna have a miserable time when it comes to football for the rest of your life 😅
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 04, 2025, 04:30:55 PMPeter Rutzler
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886722840319156455
'No RB, told a few reluctant to compete with Castagne and Tete who'll return maybe March earliest'
So basically they didn't want to come knowing they'd never play as Tete and Castagne wouldn't be dropped for them. Can't exactly help that.
But the club are crap at transfer windows and show no ambition. It's all TK's fault as well. :guitar-playHDs:
Quote from: Drewry66 on February 04, 2025, 04:30:55 PMPeter Rutzler
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886722840319156455
'No RB, told a few reluctant to compete with Castagne and Tete who'll return maybe March earliest'
So basically they didn't want to come knowing they'd never play as Tete and Castagne wouldn't be dropped for them. Can't exactly help that.
Makes perfect sense tbh.
Unless a player had a guarantee that Tete was moving on next year , why would even a half decent RB wanting to further his career join that set up.
Tanton and also this new kid from Man City both can play RB worst case, or of course we can shift the system a bit. But not really suprises it wasn't exactly an oppurtunity many would jump at.
Quote from: jayffc on February 04, 2025, 04:36:18 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 04, 2025, 04:30:55 PMPeter Rutzler
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886722840319156455
'No RB, told a few reluctant to compete with Castagne and Tete who'll return maybe March earliest'
So basically they didn't want to come knowing they'd never play as Tete and Castagne wouldn't be dropped for them. Can't exactly help that.
Makes perfect sense tbh.
Unless a player had a guarantee that Tete was moving on next year , why would even a half decent RB wanting to further his career join that set up.
Tanton and also this new kid from Man City both can play RB worst case, or of course we can shift the system a bit. But not really suprises it wasn't exactly an oppurtunity many would jump at.
I wouldn't say Castagne is irreplaceable, so it doesn't say much for the self confidence of our targetted RBs. Tete could be on his way in the summer so to me that spot is wide open for a decent player to come in and stake a claim for the shirt.
Did Brodie Dair join in the end?
Quote from: Arthur on February 04, 2025, 03:59:03 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 03:22:49 PMI mean, that's what Forest have done, and they'll probably make the Champions' League. Bournemouth only 3 pts off the top 4 with a similarly young team. Brighton, despite being underwhelming in the last year or so, made the blueprint for that model, have consistently breached the top 6, and have another very young side brewing now.
So it clearly works, and equally clearly, we're not even attempting it. We seem to strategising no more than one year ahead and staking a claim for 13th.
To truly assess how consistently well the blueprint works, it would need to be known which other teams have tried similar and have come up short. For instance, in the summer of 2022, Southampton invested in the likes of Sulemana, Bazuna, Lavia, Alcaraz, Bella-Kotchap, Mara, Edozie - all, at the time, under the age of 21... and the Club promptly suffered relegation after 11 years in the top flight. And despite having returned at the first time of asking, it's evident Southampton are still much weaker than they were during the first 10 seasons of their previous 11-year stay.
Moreover, the smaller the sample size, the greater the margin for error in terms of drawing the conclusion that 'it clearly works'.
You can treat the statement that it clearly works as having an implied caveat "when executed competently".
Look, you make a valid point which I've conceded on here before, that it's essentially a glass half full/half empty debate as to whether we should compare ourselves happily to the latest basket cases (eg Wolves) or unhappily to the latest success story (eg Forest).
We certainly had our own period as the basket case to trump all other basket cases circa 2013 to 2018.
Since then we've settled somewhere around the middle. I'm not buying the claim above that we're matching Bournemouth or Brighton because the relative youth of those squads puts them in a much better long-term position than us. But nonetheless it's not terrible.
However, personally where I can see something better within our reach, I will continually push and moan that we should have the ambition and guile to grasp it. If others want to settle for a spell of mediocrity that is of course their prerogative. As in all facets of life.
Quote from: LC on February 04, 2025, 05:33:56 PMDid Brodie Dair join in the end?
Yes he did
So 2 young additions to the academy at CF and RB/DM...the city lad being slightly closer to knocking on the door allegedly than the Scottish kid
As for the Castagne comment above, Castagne might have had a couple less brilliant games this year but he's still been a very good full back for us that could start at several premier league clubs, and with the club making clear they want Tete to stay and extend ideallt, there's no guarantee for any RB coming in that they won't be third choice very quickly....possibly 2nd and adding to that we've got Tanton and this new City kid in the door who can also play there so realistically ,if you're decent enough to compete with those you ,probably have options on the table and so why would you not just go somewhere where you're far more likely to start without the possibility of having a 3+ way fight for the position?
If you're going on loan it's likely because you want game time, if you're going on a perm it's still presumably less headache or risk to just find a club that doesn't have that situation.
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 05:38:42 PMHowever, personally where I can see something better within our reach, I will continually push and moan that we should have the ambition and guile to grasp it. If others want to settle for a spell of mediocrity that is of course their prerogative. As in all facets of life.
You really did pick the wrong team to support.
BTW Brighton have finished 6th once, 9th once and bottom half every other season since returning to the EPL. Hardly "continually breaching the top 6th". Not knocking them as they have done comparatively very well within the context of their history, but so are we the last 2/3 seasons, yet you chose to "moan and push" about that like that makes one iota of difference/helps the club "be better". It doesn't - you're just moaning on a FFC message board about your perceived disappointment in how we are doing while waxing lyrical about a young team of players who are below us. As with your Cauley/Muniz comparison, I'll take that with the massive pinch of salt it merits and continue to enjoy where we're at, while always hoping for better (same as you, but without the moaning and pushing).
Supposedly we were trying to pay 30 million euros for Chukwueze:
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886865834330697950
Suggests not enough time to get it done but there were also suggestions the player wasn't keen.
He prob wasn't an option until Milan signed a load of players on deadline day. Was really prob one of the few options that was a potential upgrade so can understand this if true as Marco said we'd only spend if they felt they could add something more than what we have. Possibly one to revisit for the summer then if he doesn't get much game time at Milan until then.
Quote from: Count Flapula on February 04, 2025, 08:29:23 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 05:38:42 PMHowever, personally where I can see something better within our reach, I will continually push and moan that we should have the ambition and guile to grasp it. If others want to settle for a spell of mediocrity that is of course their prerogative. As in all facets of life.
You really did pick the wrong team to support.
BTW Brighton have finished 6th once, 9th once and bottom half every other season since returning to the EPL. Hardly "continually breaching the top 6th". Not knocking them as they have done comparatively very well within the context of their history, but so are we the last 2/3 seasons, yet you chose to "moan and push" about that like that makes one iota of difference/helps the club "be better". It doesn't - you're just moaning on a FFC message board about your perceived disappointment in how we are doing while waxing lyrical about a young team of players who are below us. As with your Cauley/Muniz comparison, I'll take that with the massive pinch of salt it merits and continue to enjoy where we're at, while always hoping for better (same as you, but without the moaning and pushing).
Well said. Tired of the criticism instead of appreciating what we are achieving.
Quote from: jayffc on February 04, 2025, 08:05:44 PMQuote from: LC on February 04, 2025, 05:33:56 PMDid Brodie Dair join in the end?
Yes he did
So 2 young additions to the academy at CF and RB/DM...the city lad being slightly closer to knocking on the door allegedly than the Scottish kid
As for the Castagne comment above, Castagne might have had a couple less brilliant games this year but he's still been a very good full back for us that could start at several premier league clubs, and with the club making clear they want Tete to stay and extend ideallt, there's no guarantee for any RB coming in that they won't be third choice very quickly....possibly 2nd and adding to that we've got Tanton and this new City kid in the door who can also play there so realistically ,if you're decent enough to compete with those you ,probably have options on the table and so why would you not just go somewhere where you're far more likely to start without the possibility of having a 3+ way fight for the position?
If you're going on loan it's likely because you want game time, if you're going on a perm it's still presumably less headache or risk to just find a club that doesn't have that situation.
Why has the signing not been announced?
Quote from: jayffc on February 04, 2025, 04:36:18 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 04, 2025, 04:30:55 PMPeter Rutzler
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886722840319156455
'No RB, told a few reluctant to compete with Castagne and Tete who'll return maybe March earliest'
So basically they didn't want to come knowing they'd never play as Tete and Castagne wouldn't be dropped for them. Can't exactly help that.
Makes perfect sense tbh.
Unless a player had a guarantee that Tete was moving on next year , why would even a half decent RB wanting to further his career join that set up.
Tanton and also this new kid from Man City both can play RB worst case, or of course we can shift the system a bit. But not really suprises it wasn't exactly an oppurtunity many would jump at.
Maybe it just shows that even other RBs know how good our current RBs are.
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 05:38:42 PMQuote from: Arthur on February 04, 2025, 03:59:03 PMTo truly assess how consistently well the blueprint works, it would need to be known which other teams have tried similar and have come up short. For instance, in the summer of 2022, Southampton invested in the likes of Sulemana, Bazuna, Lavia, Alcaraz, Bella-Kotchap, Mara, Edozie - all, at the time, under the age of 21... and the Club promptly suffered relegation after 11 years in the top flight. And despite having returned at the first time of asking, it's evident Southampton are still much weaker than they were during the first 10 seasons of their previous 11-year stay.
Moreover, the smaller the sample size, the greater the margin for error in terms of drawing the conclusion that 'it clearly works'.
You can treat the statement that it clearly works as having an implied caveat "when executed competently".
Look, you make a valid point which I've conceded on here before, that it's essentially a glass half full/half empty debate as to whether we should compare ourselves happily to the latest basket cases (eg Wolves) or unhappily to the latest success story (eg Forest).
We certainly had our own period as the basket case to trump all other basket cases circa 2013 to 2018.
Since then we've settled somewhere around the middle. I'm not buying the claim above that we're matching Bournemouth or Brighton because the relative youth of those squads puts them in a much better long-term position than us. But nonetheless it's not terrible.
However, personally where I can see something better within our reach, I will continually push and moan that we should have the ambition and guile to grasp it. If others want to settle for a spell of mediocrity that is of course their prerogative. As in all facets of life.
It goes without saying we would all like to see the Club become more successful year upon year. The more convinced any of us are that we can see the pathway to greater success, the more inclined we are to be disappointed when the Club act differently. I understand that.
My post was not about identifying the club or clubs to which we should compare ourselves; I am wondering whether the supposed blueprint is being over-simplified. In my opinion, the implications of your caveat, 'when executed competently' are vast.
Most pertinently, it covers the unpredictability of player recruitment and a dependency upon the skills and tactics of the manager.
Aside from this, there's the adage, 'There's more than one way to skin a cat'. Reducing the average age of the squad more slowly over time may also prove to be successful for some clubs.
And for what it's worth, I don't think Forest have followed the 'Brighton blueprint'. For three summers following promotion, I would say their focus was very much short-term - on the need to be strong enough to avoid relegation. By chance more than design, they have 'fallen on their feet'.
Quote from: Count Flapula on February 04, 2025, 08:29:23 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 05:38:42 PMHowever, personally where I can see something better within our reach, I will continually push and moan that we should have the ambition and guile to grasp it. If others want to settle for a spell of mediocrity that is of course their prerogative. As in all facets of life.
You really did pick the wrong team to support.
BTW Brighton have finished 6th once, 9th once and bottom half every other season since returning to the EPL. Hardly "continually breaching the top 6th". Not knocking them as they have done comparatively very well within the context of their history, but so are we the last 2/3 seasons, yet you chose to "moan and push" about that like that makes one iota of difference/helps the club "be better". It doesn't - you're just moaning on a FFC message board about your perceived disappointment in how we are doing while waxing lyrical about a young team of players who are below us. As with your Cauley/Muniz comparison, I'll take that with the massive pinch of salt it merits and continue to enjoy where we're at, while always hoping for better (same as you, but without the moaning and pushing).
Brilliant post. ::thumb::
Quote from: Count Flapula on February 04, 2025, 08:29:23 PMyou chose to "moan and push" about that like that makes one iota of difference/helps the club "be better". It doesn't - you're just moaning on a FFC message board about your perceived disappointment in how we are doing
Odd because I was under the impression that none of the posts on this board made one iota of difference, and they're all purely driven by the general human inclination to socialise and discuss one's opinion (ok and occasionally a bit of WUMery if we're honest). But maybe i'm under a misapprehension there and I should now refrain from posting unless it helps the club somehow.
Brighton, by the way, have spent at least a quarter of each of the last three seasons in the top 6.
I would be very unhappy if we were to follow the Forest model...
They are in a very fortunate position at the moment, no doubt, but the club is not well run in any way that would make sense for us (or almost any other normal club). They're owned by a man of extremely dubious character and "business", who has used his cross-ownership of multiple clubs in other countries to flout PSR rules and hide the skulduggery of his dealings. In their first season after promotion, they spent untold sums acquiring something more than 25 new players, thus exceeding the number a team is allowed to register, not to mention the squad already on their books (with which they were promoted). They sacked their competent manager (Leicester would love to have him back now, I'd bet), and their one stroke of genius (more likely luck) was to hire Nuno, who was available having escaped the trainwreck/poisoned chalice that is Spurs...
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 09:52:24 PMOdd because I was under the impression that none of the posts on this board made one iota of difference, and they're all purely driven by the general human inclination to socialise and discuss one's opinion (ok and occasionally a bit of WUMery if we're honest). But maybe i'm under a misapprehension there and I should now refrain from posting unless it helps the club somehow.
That would be great, thanks.
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 09:52:24 PMBrighton, by the way, have spent at least a quarter of each of the last three seasons in the top 6.
At least a quarter eh? This is up there with your Muniz/Cauley comparison.
Quote from: Count Flapula on February 04, 2025, 11:29:42 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 09:52:24 PMOdd because I was under the impression that none of the posts on this board made one iota of difference, and they're all purely driven by the general human inclination to socialise and discuss one's opinion (ok and occasionally a bit of WUMery if we're honest). But maybe i'm under a misapprehension there and I should now refrain from posting unless it helps the club somehow.
That would be great, thanks.
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 09:52:24 PMBrighton, by the way, have spent at least a quarter of each of the last three seasons in the top 6.
At least a quarter eh? This is up there with your Muniz/Cauley comparison.
The ratios speak for themselves at this point. We can but dream.
Such endless, unnecessary and active sapping of joy in what could be taken as a really enjoyable season really on the whole. Obviously we'd all love to get into Europe and should aim for it by all means but my god I can't even escape the relentless negativity having blocked due to the ability to read quote replies 🙈💀 Muniz = Woodrow? Give me strength ...bet it was presented as some sort of fact too wasn't it😅 classic
Quote from: Count Flapula on February 04, 2025, 11:29:42 PMThis is up there with your Muniz/Cauley comparison.
You mean... factually correct but over your head?
Indeed.
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 11:45:15 PMQuote from: Count Flapula on February 04, 2025, 11:29:42 PMThis is up there with your Muniz/Cauley comparison.
You mean... factually correct but over your head?
Indeed.
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Quote from: jayffc on February 04, 2025, 11:43:50 PMMuniz = Woodrow? Give me strength ...bet it was presented as some sort of fact too wasn't it😅 classic
This window's been a curious one with so little action prompting so much to reflect upon.
There's plenty of ways to describe the half-empty glass and they aren't exactly unexplored, so I won't repeat them though I do see the merit in some of them. Football, business, they are never Shangri La.
But Fulham's approach is broadly working and it revolves around a proposition to players that seems to run along the following lines: " We know you are good, we can see how you can improve. You fit our play and our culture. Be prepared to spend the best years of your career here because you will only be leaving if someone offers a ridiculous sum."
Broad generalisation I know, every club can sweet talk every player I know, but there's an air of credibility in the way we have gone about Mitro, Palhinha, Robinson, Cairney, Iwobi and Bassey that makes it hang together. That and the enormous firepower and undemonstrative approach of the Chairman.
None of which is much like the approaches of Forest (spray and pray), Bournemouth (stepping stone) or Brighton (stepping stone)
We splurge for improvements in the squad in the summer windows and it works under Marco and TK with the end result regular premiership football.
Quote from: Count Flapula on February 05, 2025, 08:21:36 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 11:45:15 PMQuote from: Count Flapula on February 04, 2025, 11:29:42 PMThis is up there with your Muniz/Cauley comparison.
You mean... factually correct but over your head?
Indeed.
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Quote from: jayffc on February 04, 2025, 11:43:50 PMMuniz = Woodrow? Give me strength ...bet it was presented as some sort of fact too wasn't it😅 classic
Lol, still living in Jay's head rent free then
Quote from: Angus Telford on February 04, 2025, 09:52:24 PMBrighton, by the way, have spent at least a quarter of each of the last three seasons in the top 6.
I sometimes wonder if you believe what you actually write.
First you compare Woodrow's scoring record to Muniz's whilst they're entirely incomparable, then you try and claim that Brighton's fall away every season is something impressive.
I too wonder if you should support another club as Fulham seem to do everything wrong according to you (but not according to results/ the table/ most fans views/ most opposing fans views.
As far as the team are concerned I would say the vast majority of Fulham fans will be very happy with the team, frustrated at dropping a few 'on paper' easy points but delighted with some of the results. People that come on message boards with something to say, are often the ones less than happy (for what ever reason) and it enables them to vent. In my opinion, message boards do not represent the general view but tend to be more negatively focussed.
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on February 04, 2025, 10:58:28 PMI would be very unhappy if we were to follow the Forest model...
They are in a very fortunate position at the moment, no doubt, but the club is not well run in any way that would make sense for us (or almost any other normal club). They're owned by a man of extremely dubious character and "business", who has used his cross-ownership of multiple clubs in other countries to flout PSR rules and hide the skulduggery of his dealings. In their first season after promotion, they spent untold sums acquiring something more than 25 new players, thus exceeding the number a team is allowed to register, not to mention the squad already on their books (with which they were promoted). They sacked their competent manager (Leicester would love to have him back now, I'd bet), and their one stroke of genius (more likely luck) was to hire Nuno, who was available having escaped the trainwreck/poisoned chalice that is Spurs...
Spot on and I'd also add that their Chairman spat in the direction of a referee a while back, but then made all sorts of excuses about 'just clearing his throat'.
Very glad we don't have a Chairman like that.
Out of interest has Willian been confirmed signing?
Quote from: JimmyConway on February 05, 2025, 09:47:46 AMOut of interest has Willian been confirmed signing?
That's a very inappropriate post for this thread. Don't you know it's for squabbling, one-upmanship and general moans about the direction the club is heading in?
Quote from: demeant0r on February 04, 2025, 09:07:10 PMQuote from: jayffc on February 04, 2025, 04:36:18 PMQuote from: Drewry66 on February 04, 2025, 04:30:55 PMPeter Rutzler
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1886722840319156455
'No RB, told a few reluctant to compete with Castagne and Tete who'll return maybe March earliest'
So basically they didn't want to come knowing they'd never play as Tete and Castagne wouldn't be dropped for them. Can't exactly help that.
Makes perfect sense tbh.
Unless a player had a guarantee that Tete was moving on next year , why would even a half decent RB wanting to further his career join that set up.
Tanton and also this new kid from Man City both can play RB worst case, or of course we can shift the system a bit. But not really suprises it wasn't exactly an oppurtunity many would jump at.
Maybe it just shows that even other RBs know how good our current RBs are.
This gives me hope we may well yet tie Tete down.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on February 05, 2025, 10:19:38 AMThis gives me hope we may well yet tie Tete down.
Kind of what I was hoping too. Surely if he was off the "new" player would have been told?
Quote from: Jim© on February 05, 2025, 10:22:09 AMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on February 05, 2025, 10:19:38 AMThis gives me hope we may well yet tie Tete down.
Kind of what I was hoping too. Surely if he was off the "new" player would have been told?
I think reading between the lines he is staying... I cant lie though, his injury problems are a worry though. We dont get a replacement for 3m however...
I was surprised when Marco Silva started Tete over Castagne at the beginning of the season because Castagne was for the most part our first choice RB last season and on merit too. Tete's form has been superb this season but I can't forgot his poor performances last season. He definitely wasn't performing at his current level pre injury. Castagne and Tete are the same age with both turning thirty later this year. On current form I would take Tete over Castagne but he has two years left on his contract, whereas Tete's expires in June. This summer would be the perfect time to recruit a younger top quality RB but would probably have to be at the expense of Tete unless we sold Castagne.
Quote from: JimmyConway on February 05, 2025, 09:47:46 AMOut of interest has Willian been confirmed signing?
Don't think so, well not yet.
Quote from: Whitestone on February 05, 2025, 11:36:31 AMI was surprised when Marco Silva started Tete over Castagne at the beginning of the season because Castagne was for the most part our first choice RB last season and on merit too. Tete's form has been superb this season but I can't forgot his poor performances last season. He definitely wasn't performing at his current level pre injury. Castagne and Tete are the same age with both turning thirty later this year. On current form I would take Tete over Castagne but he has two years left on his contract, whereas Tete's expires in June. This summer would be the perfect time to recruit a younger top quality RB but would probably have to be at the expense of Tete unless we sold Castagne.
For me Tete is superior both defensively and offensively to Castagne and should continue to be first choice if he extends his contract. He's been one of the best rb's in the league year in my opinion.
Quote from: Whitestone on February 05, 2025, 11:36:31 AMI was surprised when Marco Silva started Tete over Castagne at the beginning of the season because Castagne was for the most part our first choice RB last season and on merit too. Tete's form has been superb this season but I can't forgot his poor performances last season. He definitely wasn't performing at his current level pre injury. Castagne and Tete are the same age with both turning thirty later this year. On current form I would take Tete over Castagne but he has two years left on his contract, whereas Tete's expires in June. This summer would be the perfect time to recruit a younger top quality RB but would probably have to be at the expense of Tete unless we sold Castagne.
Tete is a bit of a mystery, in that he's been here for almost 5 years, but has basically never been the undisputed starting right back in that time in the way that Robinson has been. He's had to compete against Ola Aina, Nico Williams, the loan player from Arsenal, Castagne. I think most fans love him but he does have the occasional stinker.
Quote from: Jim© on February 05, 2025, 10:22:09 AMQuote from: Bassey the warrior on February 05, 2025, 10:19:38 AMThis gives me hope we may well yet tie Tete down.
Kind of what I was hoping too. Surely if he was off the "new" player would have been told?
I think Marco said in the last few weeks they were still talking so I think it could go either way. Prob is made the window hard as if true didn't know what we were recruiting for. Praying he stays as he's brilliant and we'll never get as good a one on one defender.
Quote from: bencher on February 05, 2025, 12:37:55 PMQuote from: Whitestone on February 05, 2025, 11:36:31 AMI was surprised when Marco Silva started Tete over Castagne at the beginning of the season because Castagne was for the most part our first choice RB last season and on merit too. Tete's form has been superb this season but I can't forgot his poor performances last season. He definitely wasn't performing at his current level pre injury. Castagne and Tete are the same age with both turning thirty later this year. On current form I would take Tete over Castagne but he has two years left on his contract, whereas Tete's expires in June. This summer would be the perfect time to recruit a younger top quality RB but would probably have to be at the expense of Tete unless we sold Castagne.
Tete is a bit of a mystery, in that he's been here for almost 5 years, but has basically never been the undisputed starting right back in that time in the way that Robinson has been. He's had to compete against Ola Aina, Nico Williams, the loan player from Arsenal, Castagne. I think most fans love him but he does have the occasional stinker.
Good point, I think he has had points where he was number 1 - but he does pick up quite a few injuries. He's been very very good for us, but last year was tough for him. It was due to him really we didn't get the win when coasting away at Burnley.
I think defensively he's far superior to Castagne, but I think going forward Castagne might be a little bit better but not a lot in it.
I think Tete was great last season before he got injured. Then, Castagne took his place and Tete had a few performances that we're much worse than his usual performances so Castagne deserved to keep his place. I always thought that was because he didn't get a run of games.
As far as Castagne vs Tete in general, Tete is far superior defensively, in my opinion. When it comes to attacking, Tete is a better crosser of the ball and has better shooting ability too. His long balls are superior as well. The only thing I think Castagne is better at is linking up with our wingers and midfielders with short passes.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 05, 2025, 02:03:19 PMI think Tete was great last season before he got injured. Then, Castagne took his place and Tete had a few performances that we're much worse than his usual performances so Castagne deserved to keep his place. I always thought that was because he didn't get a run of games.
As far as Castagne vs Tete in general, Tete is far superior defensively, in my opinion. When it comes to attacking, Tete is a better crosser of the ball and has better shooting ability too. His long balls are superior as well. The only thing I think Castagne is better at is linking up with our wingers and midfielders with short passes.
Tend to agree with your second paragraph. It feels like whoever starts the season holds on to their form. It's a shame Tete out for so long as he was having one of his best seasons up until then. Do think it's an area in the not to far distance that will need addressing.
Tete's one of the best one v one defenders in the league. Castagne's good, but not in that category. Amazingly we have both and Robinson - the best full back choice in the league perhaps.
The thing about Tete is injuries. He gets more than most and by now that needs to be factored into his value. Part of the problem is that there isn't really a binary choice between fit and injured, there's also playing with a problem. We don't know when that's the case, but I'd wager Tete does that more than many and that's when he looks less impressive. We had a player ten years ago Ben Pringle who I'm convinced played with a knock that hindered his acceleration. We didn't sign him to be the worlds slowest winger but that is what played out in front of us. Our squad was paper thin and he faced the "sick note" v "willing but hopeless" dilemma. I'm speculating, but saw him play for Rotherham when he was a Championship-level menace. These things happen and can drive footballers mad.
The other thing about defenders is that they all make mistakes. The wonderful Bassey does every game I watch. If a couple lead to goals conceded in quick succession they are out of form and a liability. When they don't lead to goals they are far less remarked upon.
Hard headed types at Motspur Park will likely be waiting for the very best information on Tete's fitness before making an offer. They know he can play at the level we need. When fit.
Though we obviously ask a lot less of our RB's than Antonee on the other side, I actually think that in the run of play Castagne is the slightly more offensively minded of our two RB's (Kenny has been more of a goal threat off set pieces). On those occasions when Tim is further forward he tends to make smarter runs and offers better delivery to our attackers than Kenny (over the last two seasons xAG/90, Tete .04 and .05, Castagne .07 and .11).
Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 05, 2025, 02:48:42 PMThough we obviously ask a lot less of our RB's than Antonee on the other side, I actually think that in the run of play Castagne is the slightly more offensively minded of our two RB's (Kenny has been more of a goal threat off set pieces). On those occasions when Tim is further forward he tends to make smarter runs and offers better delivery to our attackers than Kenny (over the last two seasons xAG/90, Tete .04 and .05, Castagne .07 and .11).
And when it comes to actual assists, Tete had 5 in the season he was our regular starter, while Castagne had 3 in the season he was our regular starter. This season Tete has 2 and Castagne 1. Tete also offers more goal threat, and I'm not talking only about set pieces. His run against Manchester United in the season opener is a good example of this. He had a few other decent efforts this season too. So I'd say Tete is slightly better offensively too.
Tete is a superb right back when fit.
The problem being he picks up injuries regularly and the when returning it seems to take him a fair few games to get his form back.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 05, 2025, 03:01:12 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on February 05, 2025, 02:48:42 PMThough we obviously ask a lot less of our RB's than Antonee on the other side, I actually think that in the run of play Castagne is the slightly more offensively minded of our two RB's (Kenny has been more of a goal threat off set pieces). On those occasions when Tim is further forward he tends to make smarter runs and offers better delivery to our attackers than Kenny (over the last two seasons xAG/90, Tete .04 and .05, Castagne .07 and .11).
And when it comes to actual assists, Tete had 5 in the season he was our regular starter, while Castagne had 3 in the season he was our regular starter. This season Tete has 2 and Castagne 1. Tete also offers more goal threat, and I'm not talking only about set pieces. His run against Manchester United in the season opener is a good example of this. He had a few other decent efforts this season too. So I'd say Tete is slightly better offensively too.
I think Kenny takes great pride/delight in his closing down/tackling which is the primary job of that position. Castagne is a more gifted alround footballer for me but I'd choose Tete every time against the likes of Gordon
Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 05, 2025, 02:48:42 PMThough we obviously ask a lot less of our RB's than Antonee on the other side, I actually think that in the run of play Castagne is the slightly more offensively minded of our two RB's (Kenny has been more of a goal threat off set pieces). On those occasions when Tim is further forward he tends to make smarter runs and offers better delivery to our attackers than Kenny (over the last two seasons xAG/90, Tete .04 and .05, Castagne .07 and .11).
My take is Castagne gets forward more, allowing him more chances to cross the ball, however Tete's crossing significantly better. Some of his crosses are superb.
Quote from: Bassey the warrior on February 05, 2025, 05:05:18 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on February 05, 2025, 02:48:42 PMThough we obviously ask a lot less of our RB's than Antonee on the other side, I actually think that in the run of play Castagne is the slightly more offensively minded of our two RB's (Kenny has been more of a goal threat off set pieces). On those occasions when Tim is further forward he tends to make smarter runs and offers better delivery to our attackers than Kenny (over the last two seasons xAG/90, Tete .04 and .05, Castagne .07 and .11).
My take is Castagne gets forward more, allowing him more chances to cross the ball, however Tete's crossing significantly better. Some of his crosses are superb.
Castagne gets in a lot of good crossing positions and mostly passes it back to the central midfielder.
I always prefer having Tete in the team although I think Timothy is a good backup.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 05, 2025, 03:01:12 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on February 05, 2025, 02:48:42 PMThough we obviously ask a lot less of our RB's than Antonee on the other side, I actually think that in the run of play Castagne is the slightly more offensively minded of our two RB's (Kenny has been more of a goal threat off set pieces). On those occasions when Tim is further forward he tends to make smarter runs and offers better delivery to our attackers than Kenny (over the last two seasons xAG/90, Tete .04 and .05, Castagne .07 and .11).
Tete also offers more goal threat, and I'm not talking only about set pieces.
Eh, the numbers don't support this assertion. Tete has 2 PL goals, or 1 every ~2600 minutes, and both of those came on set pieces. Timothy has 6 career PL goals, or 1 every ~1900 minutes, and only 1 came on a set piece. Now Kenny actually has a slightly higher xG than Tim over the past few seasons but if you look closely at the underlying numbers you'll find that the overwhelming majority of that xG comes from set piece chances (something like 70% over the past few seasons). Tim's percentage of xG from open play is considerably higher than Kenny's. Though to be clear, neither of them offer a ton of goal threat.
And again, I'll stand by my assertion that Tim's delivery in the attacking end has been slightly (let me be perfectly clear so there's no confusion...slightly) better than Tete's. The underlying numbers support this and that's what I look to when making such evaluations. Actual assist numbers can be fluky and way too reliant on luck/the performance of others.
Quote from: Chi_FFC on February 05, 2025, 08:20:06 PMEh, the numbers don't support this assertion. Tete has 2 PL goals, or 1 every ~2600 minutes, and both of those came on set pieces. Timothy has 6 career PL goals, or 1 every ~1900 minutes, and only 1 came on a set piece. Now Kenny actually has a slightly higher xG than Tim over the past few seasons but if you look closely at the underlying numbers you'll find that the overwhelming majority of that xG comes from set piece chances (something like 70% over the past few seasons). Tim's percentage of xG from open play is considerably higher than Kenny's. Though to be clear, neither of them offer a ton of goal threat.
And again, I'll stand by my assertion that Tim's delivery in the attacking end has been slightly (let me be perfectly clear so there's no confusion...slightly) better than Tete's. The underlying numbers support this and that's what I look to when making such evaluations. Actual assist numbers can be fluky and way too reliant on luck/the performance of others.
I don't see how goals Castagne scored at Leicester are relevant, as he played in a completely different system there, both in terms of style of play and personnel.
Expected assist numbers are much more unreliable, in my opinion, than the actual assist number. You can put 10 low xA crosses and it will be more Xa in total than two high xA crosses. For example, Tete has 1.36 crosses per 90 minutes, while Castagne has 2.5 crosses per 90 minutes. It's only natural that Castagne accumulates more expected assists. I'd rather have Tete cross it one or two times every game and that we score from it every now and again than have Castagne cross it more often, but have lower quality crosses from which we are less likely to score from.
64 pages..... ::cry:: ::cry::
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 05, 2025, 10:05:39 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on February 05, 2025, 08:20:06 PMEh, the numbers don't support this assertion. Tete has 2 PL goals, or 1 every ~2600 minutes, and both of those came on set pieces. Timothy has 6 career PL goals, or 1 every ~1900 minutes, and only 1 came on a set piece. Now Kenny actually has a slightly higher xG than Tim over the past few seasons but if you look closely at the underlying numbers you'll find that the overwhelming majority of that xG comes from set piece chances (something like 70% over the past few seasons). Tim's percentage of xG from open play is considerably higher than Kenny's. Though to be clear, neither of them offer a ton of goal threat.
And again, I'll stand by my assertion that Tim's delivery in the attacking end has been slightly (let me be perfectly clear so there's no confusion...slightly) better than Tete's. The underlying numbers support this and that's what I look to when making such evaluations. Actual assist numbers can be fluky and way too reliant on luck/the performance of others.
I don't see how goals Castagne scored at Leicester are relevant, as he played in a completely different system there, both in terms of style of play and personnel.
Expected assist numbers are much more unreliable, in my opinion, than the actual assist number. You can put 10 low xA crosses and it will be more Xa in total than two high xA crosses. For example, Tete has 1.36 crosses per 90 minutes, while Castagne has 2.5 crosses per 90 minutes. It's only natural that Castagne accumulates more expected assists. I'd rather have Tete cross it one or two times every game and that we score from it every now and again than have Castagne cross it more often, but have lower quality crosses from which we are less likely to score from.
I feel that the stats presented seem very relevant as it is still against PL competition, and from defensive positions (it is not as if Castagne was playing forward). Also, if Tete has scored zero PL goals from open play, I am not sure why he would be considered a higher goal threat from open play.
On your reasoning on the crosses, is your estimation then that something else happens that generates a higher scoring chance in total when Tete plays, and that you therefore prefer him not crossing/getting into crossing positions very often as opposed to Castagne's higher accumulation?
Personally from the eye test, I feel that Castagne is better at getting forward and combining with other players and fits better into Silva's attacking system. I would pick Tete though since he is definitely one of the best in the league when it comes to defending.
Entertaining though the RB discussion is I want to ask a transfer question if that's allowed. Did we ever sign the young player from St Johnstone (I think it was Brodie Dair)?
There's been no mention of him on the club website.
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on February 05, 2025, 10:12:31 PM64 pages..... ::cry:: ::cry::
3 signings apparently...21.3333333 pages per signing...not too bad for us 😅😂
(P.s yes I know of course it's been 2 youth + Willian, not the most eventful)
@Sting of the North I'm saying Tete got 5 assists in the season he was our regular starter, Castagne got 3 in the season he was our regular starter, this season Tete has 2 assists, Castagne has 1. Therefore Tete is a better crosser of the ball. Expected assist don't mean much to me, as I already explained. If Castagne puts almost twice as many crosses as Tete does he will always have higher xA numbers.
Does that mean that we create less
expected assists when Tete is playing or we create expected assists from other parts of the pitch is irrelevant, as my point was that Tete is a better crosser of the ball.
Quote from: Mullers OG on February 05, 2025, 10:37:50 PMEntertaining though the RB discussion is I want to ask a transfer question if that's allowed. Did we ever sign the young player from St Johnstone (I think it was Brodie Dair)?
There's been no mention of him on the club website.
Yeh not sure now you mention it, I thought I saw it was official but only on BBC as accepted bid it seems 🤔 hes young enough it doesn't have to happen in transfer window , he just couldn't play for our first team till after summer but can play in academy
Quote from: Mullers OG on February 05, 2025, 10:37:50 PMEntertaining though the RB discussion is I want to ask a transfer question if that's allowed. Did we ever sign the young player from St Johnstone (I think it was Brodie Dair)?
There's been no mention of him on the club website.
Yes he was signed, just hasn't been announced yet
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 05, 2025, 10:05:39 PMQuote from: Chi_FFC on February 05, 2025, 08:20:06 PMEh, the numbers don't support this assertion. Tete has 2 PL goals, or 1 every ~2600 minutes, and both of those came on set pieces. Timothy has 6 career PL goals, or 1 every ~1900 minutes, and only 1 came on a set piece. Now Kenny actually has a slightly higher xG than Tim over the past few seasons but if you look closely at the underlying numbers you'll find that the overwhelming majority of that xG comes from set piece chances (something like 70% over the past few seasons). Tim's percentage of xG from open play is considerably higher than Kenny's. Though to be clear, neither of them offer a ton of goal threat.
And again, I'll stand by my assertion that Tim's delivery in the attacking end has been slightly (let me be perfectly clear so there's no confusion...slightly) better than Tete's. The underlying numbers support this and that's what I look to when making such evaluations. Actual assist numbers can be fluky and way too reliant on luck/the performance of others.
I don't see how goals Castagne scored at Leicester are relevant, as he played in a completely different system there, both in terms of style of play and personnel.
Expected assist numbers are much more unreliable, in my opinion, than the actual assist number. You can put 10 low xA crosses and it will be more Xa in total than two high xA crosses. For example, Tete has 1.36 crosses per 90 minutes, while Castagne has 2.5 crosses per 90 minutes. It's only natural that Castagne accumulates more expected assists. I'd rather have Tete cross it one or two times every game and that we score from it every now and again than have Castagne cross it more often, but have lower quality crosses from which we are less likely to score from.
1. And yet even if one were to accept this dubious assertion, Timothy has a) one more goal in open play as a Fulham player than Tete and b) an appreciably higher xG/xG/90 in open play than Kenny over the past two seasons.
2. I admit at first I was quite confused by these numbers until I finally worked out you were just talking about the relatively small sample size of this season. Over the course of the last season and a little more than a half at Fulham there's not much of a difference in crosses/90 between Timothy and Kenny (1.93 v 1.78...and interestingly enough if you were to throw in Fulham's 22-23 season that number jumps to 2.7 per 90 for Kenny...talk about a high volume crosser...he was averaging almost 3.5 a game that season). And I'm not even going to attempt to correct some of the mistaken assertions you make about how xAG (the stat I've been citing) works.
We clearly see things differently,so no point in arguing anyomre. For me the only number that matters is the actual number of assists which is 5-3 in Tete's favour if you compare the two seasons in which they were starters respectively. That plus the eye test tell me Tete puts much better crosses in. Even if I got it wrong, and I still don't think I did, xA or xG, while not completely useless aren't perfect reflections of a players quality either.
I respect your opinion though. And at the end of the day, I like both Tete and Castagne, I think they're both superb players and I hope we keep both of them for a long time.
Did someone mentioned we had agreed a transfer for Bright Osayi-Samuel with Fenerbahce only to Mourinho to pull the plug? The most reliable Turkish football journalist said that yesterday on X. He is out of contract this summer so we can expect him to sign probably, on top of that some Nigerian site said in Decembar how he agreed a pre-contract with us.
I remember him from QPR, he was very good as a right winger in a team with Eze and Chair, later in Turkey they were starting playing him as a wing-back and full-back.
https://x.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1887162753015853186
https://twitter.com/fulhamacademy/status/1890068619293491696