January Silly Season Transfer thread 2024/25

[jayffc]

I do think we need a winger and a 6 this month. I'd personally hang on to AP until the summer, but he has to play as the 10 or not at all. Our wing depth is shocking with Nelson out long-term and Adama's form going backwards.

Adama was very good again today when he came on. Put in some good crosses and generally caused issues. If anything after a little blip in form I think he's been getting better again with limited minutes. had some of our players finished a number of great chances hes created in recent games wed be talking about a number of assist and what an impact he'd made again. As ever, fine margins in this game

[Twig]

Weighing up a move 😂😂😂. We either want to do something this season or we want to stand still. Stansfield money equates to 45 million profit. If we want Silva to sign a new contract we have to show ambition or he will 💯 be snapped up by a bigger ambitions club. Role the dice Fulham we are on the cusp of something great .

Does it equate to £45m profit? I thought just a straight £15m with no deductions for amortisation to pay out to a former club.

It equates to £15m or probably less because I doubt the unconditional part of the fee was even that much.

People like to multiply sale fees x3 or x5 to suggest we could use it to finance the first year's amortisation of that amount spread over a 3-5 year contract but it doesn't really work like that.

Yeah exactly, it's still one third of £45m isn't it, just means you could cover the cost of a financial year of a big signing. You still have the remaining years to cover.

Exactly, it's a misunderstanding of amortisation. If we get in £15m for a player it doesn't fund a £45m transfer. The other £30m doesn't appear by magic.

[HV71]

His head is far bigger than his ability ( AP that is )

Amen

[Jim©]

I mean, whether they're good enough to get us into Europe is something we'll only know at the end of the season, but as it stands the table says they're not because we're 9th.

Not sure how anyone can complain about 3 CBs with a combined market value easily over £100m and simultaneously say we don't have the economic reach to buy a new striker that'll "cost a fortune" etc (not that i think it would cost a fortune necessarily, but even if it did, it would be easier than upgrading our defensive talent, irrespective of how poorly theyre playing/organised at the moment).

With that said, I will concede that Raul was top class today, and we were never going to upgrade such a key position in a January window anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point, probably best left for discussion in the summer now.

Come on, if we could defend from time to time we'd be higher, just like if our forwards scored more of their chances or midfield scored more, we'd be higher. It's not just the forwards that shoulder all of our ambitions. It stuns me that people don't see that.

[Angus Telford]

I mean, whether they're good enough to get us into Europe is something we'll only know at the end of the season, but as it stands the table says they're not because we're 9th.

Not sure how anyone can complain about 3 CBs with a combined market value easily over £100m and simultaneously say we don't have the economic reach to buy a new striker that'll "cost a fortune" etc (not that i think it would cost a fortune necessarily, but even if it did, it would be easier than upgrading our defensive talent, irrespective of how poorly theyre playing/organised at the moment).

With that said, I will concede that Raul was top class today, and we were never going to upgrade such a key position in a January window anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point, probably best left for discussion in the summer now.

Come on, if we could defend from time to time we'd be higher, just like if our forwards scored more of their chances or midfield scored more, we'd be higher. It's not just the forwards that shoulder all of our ambitions. It stuns me that people don't see that.

I think there are two completely different questions that could be unintentionally conflated here.

Is it the strikers' fault we didn't win today, or that have generally let us down lately? No. Raul is having a purple patch and was clearly MOTM today. Meanwhile Andersen has been poor lately and the whole defence was poor today.

Is it the strikers that we most need to upgrade in the long-term? Yes. A club our size isn't going to get better quality players than Andersen, Bassey, Robinson et al. We can however do better than Muniz, and probably better than Raul (albeit not the way he played today) who in any case is 34 next year.

[Jim©]

Ah yes, agree that in the long term well require a Raul replacement.
But there have been loads of people saying buying a new striker = more goals = more points.

[Twig]

Ah yes, agree that in the long term well require a Raul replacement.
But there have been loads of people saying buying a new striker = more goals = more points.

We do need to plan to replace Raul fairly soon but I agree, it's hardly a burning issue as the guy has remained fit and free of serious injuries. In terms of quality another younger player of his standard would be fine with me. I would however be happy to see Vini leave to free up wages and a squad place.

I know our defence has had a few wobbles but I still think the quality of players we have to select from is about as good as we could hope for. We need a bit of stability to build a really solid partnership between our two preferred CB's, presumably Andersen and Bassey, a la Hughes and Hangeland.

For me the midfield is where our needs are greatest. I've been a huge TC fan but, like Raul, we need to plan a replacement sooner rather than later. And this is coupled with AP whose form has been frankly dreadful. I would like to see AP sold and two new midfield signings with TC dropping to a role as a super sub.

[hopper]

On the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.

[Jim©]

but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.

But we're conceding less without him in the side even though we're perhaps a little more attacking than previously (until the 5 at the back which I'm not sold on for every game).

[FFC1987]

but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.

But we're conceding less without him in the side even though we're perhaps a little more attacking than previously (until the 5 at the back which I'm not sold on for every game).

Berge has been a significant loss in those games I think. Good with the ball, progressive in his pass, and does that role role alongside Lukic.

[Bassey the warrior]

On the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.

Forest have finally got the recruitment right after wasting tens of millions on dross.

[SerbianLad]

On the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.

I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.

[hopper]

On the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.

I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.

His impact at Forest can't be overstated, what a great player. Would love someone with that no nonsense toughness at Fulham, it's a characteristic it feels we lack at the moment.

[FFC1987]

On the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.

I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.

His impact at Forest can't be overstated, what a great player. Would love someone with that no nonsense toughness at Fulham, it's a characteristic it feels we lack at the moment.

Being at Forest suits him though and I don't think he'd be anywhere near the same level with us. Forest routinely concede under 30% possession, and just have rock wall banks of 5 and play on the break. Nothing wrong with that and we have set up shop like it, but nowhere to the levels Forest do so that just really suits him. He's suspect on the ball which we expect way more from our CB's so personally, I think both us and Forest nailed the recruitment here...... 

[Bassey the warrior]

On the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.

I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.

His impact at Forest can't be overstated, what a great player. Would love someone with that no nonsense toughness at Fulham, it's a characteristic it feels we lack at the moment.

Diop?

[Bassey the warrior]

On the subject of defence, Forest signed Milenkovic who was available over the summer and he's barely put a foot wrong all year. I'm not sure that our current players need to represent our ceiling for what can be expected there. On the face of it we concede too many goals, but we lack the protection Joao used to bring us, and Silva likes to play a front foot style too.

I suggested him here in the summer, when it became apparent that he'll be available for a small amount of money. He's not as good of a passer as e.g. Andersen, but when it comes to actual defending, there are very few defenders who are as good as him defensively.

His impact at Forest can't be overstated, what a great player. Would love someone with that no nonsense toughness at Fulham, it's a characteristic it feels we lack at the moment.

Being at Forest suits him though and I don't think he'd be anywhere near the same level with us. Forest routinely concede under 30% possession, and just have rock wall banks of 5 and play on the break. Nothing wrong with that and we have set up shop like it, but nowhere to the levels Forest do so that just really suits him. He's suspect on the ball which we expect way more from our CB's so personally, I think both us and Forest nailed the recruitment here...... 

One Forest plsyer I'd love is Gibbs-White, he's a premium version of AP. He wasn't cheap, up to £45m, but they are lucky to have someone of that quality.

[hopper]

Agree MGW is a top player.

It's about finding the next MGW or someone similar. There rumours are around McAtee, can't say I know a lot about him but seems highly rated.

[FFC1987]

Agree MGW is a top player.

It's about finding the next MGW or someone similar. There rumours are around McAtee, can't say I know a lot about him but seems highly rated.

Not to compare him directly, but whenever Palmer played for City, I always thought he looked a decent player (never the heights he's hit though!!!!). I've had similar vibes to McAtee's play. Very tidy, works hard, plays the ball forward and likes to take his man on. I'd be really excited with the likes of him and Smith Rowe coming through for us.

[SerbianLad]

Being at Forest suits him though and I don't think he'd be anywhere near the same level with us. Forest routinely concede under 30% possession, and just have rock wall banks of 5 and play on the break. Nothing wrong with that and we have set up shop like it, but nowhere to the levels Forest do so that just really suits him. He's suspect on the ball which we expect way more from our CB's so personally, I think both us and Forest nailed the recruitment here...... 

I agree that he's much more suited for the Forest style of play. I disagree he's suspect on the ball, his passing isn't superb, but he's not extremely poor either, and he almost never makes the kind of passing mistakes that Diop, or even Bassey make(or Andersen in the last few games for that matter). I'm happy enough with what we've got, but would have been pleased if we got Milenkovic in too.

[FFC1987]

Being at Forest suits him though and I don't think he'd be anywhere near the same level with us. Forest routinely concede under 30% possession, and just have rock wall banks of 5 and play on the break. Nothing wrong with that and we have set up shop like it, but nowhere to the levels Forest do so that just really suits him. He's suspect on the ball which we expect way more from our CB's so personally, I think both us and Forest nailed the recruitment here...... 

I agree that he's much more suited for the Forest style of play. I disagree he's suspect on the ball, his passing isn't superb, but he's not extremely poor either, and he almost never makes the kind of passing mistakes that Diop, or even Bassey make(or Andersen in the last few games for that matter). I'm happy enough with what we've got, but would have been pleased if we got Milenkovic in too.

He barely has the ball compared to any of ours is the point. He's not a ball playing centre half compared to Diop (even with his occasional mistake). He's way worse on the ball compared to our centre halves as well in stats. Way less touches of the ball and tends to make more clearance interceptions which include winning headers. Which he excels at and rates him actually higher than our centre backs.

Looking at three different sites that characterise his weakness as 'passing' so I don't think anything I said was out of line. I think you've basically characterised what I meant by 'suspect' on the ball ie he's not superb, or even good, hes average which doesn't suit our defensive centre back needs. Marco might of coached it into him but ive seen nothing to date that he'd be any better than Diop, Andersen or Bassey on the ball.