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Salcido could go to Monterrey
MONTERREY - The English club Fulham defender Carlos Salcido, could become the newest member of the Monterrey Rayados Apertura in 2011, then it would have begun negotiations with the directors of the club Monterrey.
Some media say the national team is interested in the financial offer made by the joint Nuevo Leon and therefore may be inclined to this campus.
Even mentioned that the offer had been made by Rayados is more attractive than they have done the Chivas of Guadalajara, one of the teams interested in the player.
It must be remembered that family issues, Salcido has shown interest in returning to the national football and mentions that even the Monterrey defense contract could be long term.
Is expected to soon have a statement by the directors of Monterrey, then so far have not confirmed or denied the version of rapprochement with the Mexican national team.
As I said, I think a return to Mexico is likely or even a done deal. It's Sally's choice now whether he wants to move to Monterrey or Chivas.
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
And don't let the door hit you in the aris on your way out.
Worst defender we have had in years. He doesn't want to defend and makes Hangeland play 2 positions because he doesn't trust him which leads to him getting caught in the middle which he never did before Salsa came on board. Left back has to be a target in the summer or give Briggsy a go again. I have gone right off the lazy Mexican. Liked him in the beginning but after the first couple of games, he has been consistently poo. He can go :038:
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 11:54:45 AM
And don't let the door hit you in the aris on your way out.
Worst defender we have had in years. He doesn't want to defend and makes Hangeland play 2 positions because he doesn't trust him which leads to him getting caught in the middle which he never did before Salsa came on board. Left back has to be a target in the summer or give Briggsy a go again. I have gone right off the lazy Mexican. Liked him in the beginning but after the first couple of games, he has been consistently sh1t. He can go :038:
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
Incredibly one eyed views here lads. He is not the best but certianly not one of the worst defenders we have had in recent years, never mind in the premier league
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 11:54:45 AM
And don't let the door hit you in the aris on your way out.
Left back has to be a target in the summer or give Briggsy a go again.
Well, if Pants will play again, we have him and Baird as a LB, and if not, Baird and Briggs, with Kelly on the bench. I think what we need in the summer is a young central midfielder. I don't want many transfers, I want to see more youngsters involved in the first team.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on March 23, 2011, 12:01:54 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 11:54:45 AM
And don't let the door hit you in the aris on your way out.
Worst defender we have had in years. He doesn't want to defend and makes Hangeland play 2 positions because he doesn't trust him which leads to him getting caught in the middle which he never did before Salsa came on board. Left back has to be a target in the summer or give Briggsy a go again. I have gone right off the lazy Mexican. Liked him in the beginning but after the first couple of games, he has been consistently sh1t. He can go :038:
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
Incredibly one eyed views here lads. He is not the best but certianly not one of the worst defenders we have had in recent years, never mind in the premier league
We've got the leakiest* defence in the league, stands to reason that one of our defenders would be the worst in the league.
*the leakiest defence -with only these teams conceding more goals than us to keep us off the bottom of the goals conceded table:
Blackpool
West Brom
Villa
Blackburn
Wigan
West Ham
Wolves
Newcastle
Birmingham
Bolton
Everton
Stoke
Sunderland
Liverpool
Spurs
Team P Goals Conceded
1 Blackpool 30 60
2 WBA 30 56
3 Aston Villa 30 51
4 Blackburn 30 51
5 Wigan 30 51
6 West Ham 30 49
7 Wolves 30 49
8 Newcastle 30 45
9 Birmingham 29 41
10 Bolton 30 41
11 Everton 30 39
12 Stoke City 30 38
13 Sunderland 30 37
14 Liverpool 30 36
15 Tottenham 29 34
16 Fulham 30 3317 Man Utd 30 30
18 Arsenal 29 29
19 ManCity 30 27
20 Chelsea 29 24
Damn you, IW - you can prove anything with statistics! Particularly when you're right ... :005:
He is a confidence player...
I quite liked the look of him in his first outings with us, but since the trannie issue and a couple of errors his form has dipped.
I hope it works out for him back at home.
Anyone for Paul Konch?
Definitely not the worst. He is not great defending but remember Konch used to makesome serious mistakes regularly which cost goals.
Fulham need another Fred Callahan, decent defender who can go charging up the wing. :clap_hands:
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on March 23, 2011, 12:01:54 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 11:54:45 AM
And don't let the door hit you in the aris on your way out.
Worst defender we have had in years. He doesn't want to defend and makes Hangeland play 2 positions because he doesn't trust him which leads to him getting caught in the middle which he never did before Salsa came on board. Left back has to be a target in the summer or give Briggsy a go again. I have gone right off the lazy Mexican. Liked him in the beginning but after the first couple of games, he has been consistently sh1t. He can go :038:
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
Incredibly one eyed views here lads. He is not the best but certianly not one of the worst defenders we have had in recent years, never mind in the premier league
Am I wrong?
What about Matthew Briggs? I thought he did alright
Quote from: King_Crud on March 23, 2011, 12:51:33 PM
What about Matthew Briggs? I thought he did alright
I agree
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
This is so over the top and just plain wrong.
Baird was receiving the same types of comments here and on the FFC site when he first started playing RB for us. He was terrible. But I don't believe anyone is saying those things now.
Players need time to adapt; something that's been demonstrated on our team time and again. Yet, many here refuse to learn that lesson.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on March 23, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
This is so over the top and just plain wrong.
Baird was receiving the same types of comments here and on the FFC site when he first started playing RB for us. He was terrible. But I don't believe anyone is saying those things now.
Players need time to adapt; something that's been demonstrated on our team time and again. Yet, many here refuse to learn that lesson.
I don't disagree with the premise. A defender by definition is supposed to defend. Salcido can't defend but he does look good going forward. Hence worst defender I have seen in a long time and he unsettles our CB's, in particular Hangeland.I don't understand what the fuss is about. He is poo end of story in my book.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on March 23, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
This is so over the top and just plain wrong.
Players need time to adapt; something that's been demonstrated on our team time and again. Yet, many here refuse to learn that lesson.
He will be 31 soon (2 April). How long should I wait Salcido to adapt?! He's crap, end of story, and if not the worst, one of the worst.
Crap player in solid defence? Not likely given how few we concede.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on March 23, 2011, 01:29:11 PM
Crap player in solid defence? Not likely given how few we concede.
We conceded fewer when he was out
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 01:03:01 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on March 23, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
This is so over the top and just plain wrong.
Baird was receiving the same types of comments here and on the FFC site when he first started playing RB for us. He was terrible. But I don't believe anyone is saying those things now.
Players need time to adapt; something that's been demonstrated on our team time and again. Yet, many here refuse to learn that lesson.
I don't disagree with the premise. A defender by definition is supposed to defend. Salcido can't defend but he does look good going forward. Hence worst defender I have seen in a long time and he unsettles our CB's, in particular Hangeland.I don't understand what the fuss is about. He is not good end of story in my book.
He's a member of the most solid defence outside the Champions League teams.
He doesn't let the other team score, what else should he be doing?
Incidentally, we hardly ever concede but we don't score very many. Surely a defender who is good at going forwards at the expense of a little (only a little, mind, take another gander at the goals conceded table) defensive solidity is a good thing?
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on March 23, 2011, 01:29:11 PM
Crap player in solid defence? Not likely given how few we concede.
We conceded fewer when he was out
1.3 goals conceded per game with Salcido starting;
1.1 goals conceded per game average.
EDIT:
If Salcido started every game, you'd predict that we would have conceded 7 more goals, to put us on 40 goals conceded thus far. This moves us up from 16th to 11th.
Quote from: ImperialWhite on March 23, 2011, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 01:03:01 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on March 23, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
This is so over the top and just plain wrong.
Baird was receiving the same types of comments here and on the FFC site when he first started playing RB for us. He was terrible. But I don't believe anyone is saying those things now.
Players need time to adapt; something that's been demonstrated on our team time and again. Yet, many here refuse to learn that lesson.
I don't disagree with the premise. A defender by definition is supposed to defend. Salcido can't defend but he does look good going forward. Hence worst defender I have seen in a long time and he unsettles our CB's, in particular Hangeland.I don't understand what the fuss is about. He is not good end of story in my book.
He's a member of the most solid defence outside the Champions League teams.
He doesn't let the other team score, what else should he be doing?
Incidentally, we hardly ever concede but we don't score very many. Surely a defender who is good at going forwards at the expense of a little (only a little, mind, take anthoer gander at the goals conceded table) defensive solidity is a good thing?
If he is so good, how come Hangeland looks like crap every time they play together? So that must mean Hangeland is not good then
Quote from: ImperialWhite on March 23, 2011, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 01:03:01 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on March 23, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
This is so over the top and just plain wrong.
Baird was receiving the same types of comments here and on the FFC site when he first started playing RB for us. He was terrible. But I don't believe anyone is saying those things now.
Players need time to adapt; something that's been demonstrated on our team time and again. Yet, many here refuse to learn that lesson.
I don't disagree with the premise. A defender by definition is supposed to defend. Salcido can't defend but he does look good going forward. Hence worst defender I have seen in a long time and he unsettles our CB's, in particular Hangeland.I don't understand what the fuss is about. He is not good end of story in my book.
He's a member of the most solid defence outside the Champions League teams.
False, Hangeland is a member, he played in all games if I'm right, Hughes is a member, Baird is a member, not Salcido... I remember the game against City (at home), he was awful. At Everton everyone says "Hangeland to blame, Etuhu to blame, Murphy, Dempsey..." But he should have followed the ball, not Cahill, and react quicker. He lacks pace, he lacks strength, he lacks everything.
Everyone was awful at home to Man City.
You can assert that Salcido is terrible as often and as loudly as you like but with or without him our defence has done well this season.
Our problem is lack of goals. Hopefully Zamora's return will be the solution.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on March 23, 2011, 01:50:37 PM
Everyone was awful at home to Man City.
You can assert that Salcido is terrible as often and as loudly as you like but with or without him our defence has done well this season.
Our problem is lack of goals. Hopefully Zamora's return will be the solution.
:clap_hands:
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on March 23, 2011, 12:01:54 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 11:54:45 AM
And don't let the door hit you in the aris on your way out.
Worst defender we have had in years. He doesn't want to defend and makes Hangeland play 2 positions because he doesn't trust him which leads to him getting caught in the middle which he never did before Salsa came on board. Left back has to be a target in the summer or give Briggsy a go again. I have gone right off the lazy Mexican. Liked him in the beginning but after the first couple of games, he has been consistently not good. He can go :038:
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
Incredibly one eyed views here lads. He is not the best but certianly not one of the worst defenders we have had in recent years, never mind in the premier league
Am I wrong?
Well, I disagree with you, but that does not make you wrong. The evidence provided by others would suggest that.
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 01:44:36 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on March 23, 2011, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 01:03:01 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on March 23, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
This is so over the top and just plain wrong.
Baird was receiving the same types of comments here and on the FFC site when he first started playing RB for us. He was terrible. But I don't believe anyone is saying those things now.
Players need time to adapt; something that's been demonstrated on our team time and again. Yet, many here refuse to learn that lesson.
I don't disagree with the premise. A defender by definition is supposed to defend. Salcido can't defend but he does look good going forward. Hence worst defender I have seen in a long time and he unsettles our CB's, in particular Hangeland.I don't understand what the fuss is about. He is not good end of story in my book.
He's a member of the most solid defence outside the Champions League teams.
False, Hangeland is a member, he played in all games if I'm right, Hughes is a member, Baird is a member, not Salcido... I remember the game against City (at home), he was awful. At Everton everyone says "Hangeland to blame, Etuhu to blame, Murphy, Dempsey..." But he should have followed the ball, not Cahill, and react quicker. He lacks pace, he lacks strength, he lacks everything.
aAAAH! Stop it.
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Are you saying with a straight face that he should have left Cahill where he was?
1.3 goals conceded per game with Salcido starting;
1.1 goals conceded per game average.
Now what does that tell you? That is 49 goals conceded in a season vs 41. In other words 8 goals that could be crucial.
Send him and his sombrero packing. I have no time for this laissez fare Mexican defending.
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 02:19:19 PM
1.3 goals conceded per game with Salcido starting;
1.1 goals conceded per game average.
Now what does that tell you? That is 49 goals conceded in a season vs 41. In other words 8 goals that could be crucial.
Send him and his sombrero packing. I have no time for this laissez fare Mexican defending.
Top Gear alert!!
4 of those goals were in the Man City game where the entire defence went missing.
Salcido probably wasn't fit in that game anyway.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on March 23, 2011, 02:24:01 PM
4 of those goals were in the Man City game where the entire defence went missing.
Salcido probably wasn't fit in that game anyway.
Take away the Man City game and Salcido's record becomes 1.1 gcpg.
play him as left winger?
Quote from: finnster01 on March 23, 2011, 01:43:21 PM
If he is so good, how come Hangeland looks like crap every time they play together? So that must mean Hangeland is not good then
Come on, Finny, this is again over the top thinking!
Quote from: Matt on March 23, 2011, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: King_Crud on March 23, 2011, 02:47:35 PM
play him as left winger?
Who would you drop?
dunno, just thinking out loud. Dempsey is not a proper left winger, is better in the centre, but then you push people out of the centre, and then i get confused and my head hurts
No way he would go back to Chivas (even though Salcido would far prefer to go home to Guadalajara than Monterrey). The new owner, despite being one of the richest men in Mexico, is notoriously cheap with wages.
If he was younger, then working on his defensive deficiencies would be the option. However, at his age and if indeed he has family issues at home and his mind isn't 100% focused on his job and adapting to living in England then sell him.
The other thing to remember is that Sally has Clint playing in front of him, who spends 99% of his time in the centre of the pitch just to front-left hand side of Murphy.
Compared with Baird who has Duff, who mainly sticks to the wing until he gets within 5 yards of the penalty area, then Sally does not get much protection.
p.s. this is not a complaint about Clint!
Quote from: SoCalJoe on March 23, 2011, 04:11:15 PM
No way he would go back to Chivas (even though Salcido would far prefer to go home to Guadalajara than Monterrey). The new owner, despite being one of the richest men in Mexico, is notoriously cheap with wages.
If he was younger, then working on his defensive deficiencies would be the option. However, at his age and if indeed he has family issues at home and his mind isn't 100% focused on his job and adapting to living in England then sell him.
Just a little correction here and there. Carlos Slim owns Chivas de Guadalajara. He's the richest man in the World ($70 billion) and he's not a very new owner. He's owned the team for at least several years. He may be cheap, but I don't believe his actions with Chivas demonstrate that so much. Chivas have one of the best youth setups in Mexico and they regularly bring thru their own players (see: Chicharito), which in effect keeps their wages down.
Salcido won't be going back to Chivas because he wants a team that will start him. Chivas have a 20 yr old LB named Ponce who's been playing really well for them in the league and in Libertadores. No way Salcido replaces him.
Just sayin'
I'll be driving him.
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on March 23, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Bogdan23 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
I hope so, worst defender in the Premier League by far
This is so over the top and just plain wrong.
Players need time to adapt; something that's been demonstrated on our team time and again. Yet, many here refuse to learn that lesson.
He will be 31 soon (2 April). How long should I wait Salcido to adapt?! He's crap, end of story, and if not the worst, one of the worst.
I'm not advocating you wait for anything. Why would I? You're obviously so invested in your argument that you wouldn't listen anyway.
All I'm saying is that he's better than you give him credit for and that players do need time to adapt to our league and to our way of playing in it. I provided evidence of that with Baird, but you've conveniently brushed that aside.
I'm sure someone will correct me but didn't Salcido head a couple off the line against Everton or was that someone else?
Quote from: Gozorich on March 23, 2011, 05:16:21 PM
I'm sure someone will correct me but didn't Salcido head a couple off the line against Everton or was that someone else?
I think you'll find he was too slow to get out of the way.
Did you know he eats babies?
:011:
Quote from: TonyGilroy on March 23, 2011, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: Gozorich on March 23, 2011, 05:16:21 PM
I'm sure someone will correct me but didn't Salcido head a couple off the line against Everton or was that someone else?
I think you'll find he was too slow to get out of the way.
Did you know he eats babies?
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A couple of points.
1. I don't think Hughes signed Salcido for one year only to sell him at a loss.
2. If Salcido wanted to play at home, I don't think he would have delayed for one season in England.
3. The ENTIRE BASIS of this story is a tweet he sent to a Mexican-based fan to the effect of "my heart always belongs to Mexico, and I will always bleed the [Mexican] team's colors." I would imagine 75% of players earning their living send the same sort of messages back home to show the "home folks" that they haven't gone all big time.
4. Salcido is NOT a crap defender. He had a couple of poor matches when he was brought back too soon from injury, but he has not cost us games. He has, however, given us a couple of assists and has had some very good moments out there.
5. Salcido in the squad does not make Hangeland play out of position or play poorly. It's Hangeland's job to cover the left side when the LB goes up to support the attack -- regardless of who the LB is. Just as it's Salcido's job to cover the center circle when Hangeland goes up for a corner or free kick.
6. We have a very sound defense right now, and that defense would be weakened with Salcido pulled for a Baird-JP, Baird-Kelley, or Briggs-Baird pairing.
7. Dempsey provides adequate cover for the LB. He just doesn't defend as brilliantly as Duff.
It never ceases to amaze me how some folks "give a dog a bad name" and then believe that every thing that individual does -- even the positive stuff -- is evidence that they're belief is right all along. There's more, but you can find it in my Salcido-Etuhu defense thread.
Quote from: HatterDon on March 23, 2011, 06:07:20 PM
A couple of points.
1. I don't think Hughes signed Salcido for one year only to sell him at a loss.
2. If Salcido wanted to play at home, I don't think he would have delayed for one season in England.
3. The ENTIRE BASIS of this story is a tweet he sent to a Mexican-based fan to the effect of "my heart always belongs to Mexico, and I will always bleed the [Mexican] team's colors." I would imagine 75% of players earning their living send the same sort of messages back home to show the "home folks" that they haven't gone all big time.
4. Salcido is NOT a crap defender. He had a couple of poor matches when he was brought back too soon from injury, but he has not cost us games. He has, however, given us a couple of assists and has had some very good moments out there.
5. Salcido in the squad does not make Hangeland play out of position or play poorly. It's Hangeland's job to cover the left side when the LB goes up to support the attack -- regardless of who the LB is. Just as it's Salcido's job to cover the center circle when Hangeland goes up for a corner or free kick.
6. We have a very sound defense right now, and that defense would be weakened with Salcido pulled for a Baird-JP, Baird-Kelley, or Briggs-Baird pairing.
7. Dempsey provides adequate cover for the LB. He just doesn't defend as brilliantly as Duff.
It never ceases to amaze me how some folks "give a dog a bad name" and then believe that every thing that individual does -- even the positive stuff -- is evidence that they're belief is right all along. There's more, but you can find it in my Salcido-Etuhu defense thread.
Yep yep yep.
I think your point 4 is the key one - his bad games came when he was rushed back.
He can be dazzlingly good going forwards, is decent at the back. There's more to like than dislike. But as we know, someone has to get the negative vibes, eh?
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on March 23, 2011, 04:51:51 PM
Quote from: SoCalJoe on March 23, 2011, 04:11:15 PM
No way he would go back to Chivas (even though Salcido would far prefer to go home to Guadalajara than Monterrey). The new owner, despite being one of the richest men in Mexico, is notoriously cheap with wages.
If he was younger, then working on his defensive deficiencies would be the option. However, at his age and if indeed he has family issues at home and his mind isn't 100% focused on his job and adapting to living in England then sell him.
Just a little correction here and there. Carlos Slim owns Chivas de Guadalajara. He's the richest man in the World ($70 billion) and he's not a very new owner. He's owned the team for at least several years. He may be cheap, but I don't believe his actions with Chivas demonstrate that so much. Chivas have one of the best youth setups in Mexico and they regularly bring thru their own players (see: Chicharito), which in effect keeps their wages down.
Salcido won't be going back to Chivas because he wants a team that will start him. Chivas have a 20 yr old LB named Ponce who's been playing really well for them in the league and in Libertadores. No way Salcido replaces him.
Just sayin'
Would love it if we could sign a player called Ponce........
"Briggs, Briggs will tear you apart again!"
Not much wrong with Salcido. Not much wrong with opinions. Except when they're piss-potted black and poorly presented.
Now I'm off to read a John Le Carre long story.
Nogood "snookered, isit" Boyo
what would a fulham 11 be without a scapegoat, eh?
seriously, Salcido has all the tools needed to succeed at this level. He just needs to bulk up and have his proper rehabilitation time rather than playing on injured legs.
Salcido will be our leader in assists next season.
Watch this space.
Yes, we never learn do we. How many players do we write off in their early days at the club, and then find out in the 2nd and 3rd season that they are actually pretty reasonable?
Let me start with a Chris Baird, and I'll raise you a Bobby Zamora.
I don't think Salcido will ever show his full potential if he doesn't learn to speak English. It was all right, Mr. Salcido, to expect your colleagues over at PSV to shout to you in Spanish (he wasn't the only Spanish speaker), but if there are no other Spanish team mates, you should do an effort yourself.
Quote from: sipwell on March 24, 2011, 10:48:22 AM
I don't think Salcido will ever show his full potential if he doesn't learn to speak English. It was all right, Mr. Salcido, to expect your colleagues over at PSV to shout to you in Spanish (he wasn't the only Spanish speaker), but if there are no other Spanish team mates, you should do an effort yourself.
How do you know he is not learning?
The man has never played in a country where the first language is English until now, I would give him a bit of a break.
Quote from: Snibbo on March 24, 2011, 08:02:53 AM
Yes, we never learn do we. How many players do we write off in their early days at the club, and then find out in the 2nd and 3rd season that they are actually pretty reasonable?
Let me start with a Chris Baird, and I'll raise you a Bobby Zamora.
And I'll counter with Steve Marlet and all in.
He played two good games, and it was all downhill from there. Sounds familiar? Except Salsa didn't come with a 11.5 million quid price tag in 2001
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on March 24, 2011, 11:01:14 AM
Quote from: sipwell on March 24, 2011, 10:48:22 AM
I don't think Salcido will ever show his full potential if he doesn't learn to speak English. It was all right, Mr. Salcido, to expect your colleagues over at PSV to shout to you in Spanish (he wasn't the only Spanish speaker), but if there are no other Spanish team mates, you should do an effort yourself.
How do you know he is not learning?
The man has never played in a country where the first language is English until now, I would give him a bit of a break.
He played for 4 (four) seasons in PSV Eindhoven, where the main language (next to Dutch) is ... English. All of his interviews are in Spanish... because PSV has had a long history of Spanish speakers (so they always have a staff member who speaks the language). He hasn't done an effort then, why would he know?
Quote from: sipwell on March 24, 2011, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on March 24, 2011, 11:01:14 AM
Quote from: sipwell on March 24, 2011, 10:48:22 AM
I don't think Salcido will ever show his full potential if he doesn't learn to speak English. It was all right, Mr. Salcido, to expect your colleagues over at PSV to shout to you in Spanish (he wasn't the only Spanish speaker), but if there are no other Spanish team mates, you should do an effort yourself.
How do you know he is not learning?
The man has never played in a country where the first language is English until now, I would give him a bit of a break.
He played for 4 (four) seasons in PSV Eindhoven, where the main language (next to Dutch) is ... English. All of his interviews are in Spanish... because PSV has had a long history of Spanish speakers (so they always have a staff member who speaks the language). He hasn't done an effort then, why would he know?
Because he is in England and lets face it, the English do not really like adapting to foreign speakers!
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on March 24, 2011, 11:27:33 AM
Quote from: sipwell on March 24, 2011, 11:25:06 AM
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Quote from: sipwell on March 24, 2011, 10:48:22 AM
I don't think Salcido will ever show his full potential if he doesn't learn to speak English. It was all right, Mr. Salcido, to expect your colleagues over at PSV to shout to you in Spanish (he wasn't the only Spanish speaker), but if there are no other Spanish team mates, you should do an effort yourself.
How do you know he is not learning?
The man has never played in a country where the first language is English until now, I would give him a bit of a break.
He played for 4 (four) seasons in PSV Eindhoven, where the main language (next to Dutch) is ... English. All of his interviews are in Spanish... because PSV has had a long history of Spanish speakers (so they always have a staff member who speaks the language). He hasn't done an effort then, why would he know?
Because he is in England and lets face it, the English do not really like adapting to foreign speakers!
That makes the point: PSV communicates with its players in English. Surely it would have eased his stay in Holland ;-)
Quote from: sipwell on March 24, 2011, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on March 24, 2011, 11:27:33 AM
Quote from: sipwell on March 24, 2011, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on March 24, 2011, 11:01:14 AM
Quote from: sipwell on March 24, 2011, 10:48:22 AM
I don't think Salcido will ever show his full potential if he doesn't learn to speak English. It was all right, Mr. Salcido, to expect your colleagues over at PSV to shout to you in Spanish (he wasn't the only Spanish speaker), but if there are no other Spanish team mates, you should do an effort yourself.
How do you know he is not learning?
The man has never played in a country where the first language is English until now, I would give him a bit of a break.
He played for 4 (four) seasons in PSV Eindhoven, where the main language (next to Dutch) is ... English. All of his interviews are in Spanish... because PSV has had a long history of Spanish speakers (so they always have a staff member who speaks the language). He hasn't done an effort then, why would he know?
Because he is in England and lets face it, the English do not really like adapting to foreign speakers!
That makes the point: PSV communicates with its players in English. Surely it would have eased his stay in Holland ;-)
Interesting, I did not realise that PSV did this. Is this common in Holland?
I like salsa, he is an adequate defender and in my opinion has had a couple very good defensive games and he gets forward better than any defender we've had since I've been here...errrrr... well except for Volz... maybe we should bring Moritz back? (http://img.skysports.com/09/07/218x298/Moritz-Volz-Free-Agent-Feature-800_2333798.jpg) but even he is a better right side player. Hang in there with Salsa he will get better with familiarity...
I think he should just sit back and wait, next season another player will be selected as the man to hate, it is oh so easy to sit behind a keyboard and slag someone off, the guy is out their each week giving it a go, i may be wrong but each game i see i reckon Hangeland makes just as many and in same cases more errors than salcedo but of course Hangers is the great hero at the moment.
It seems to be the great Fulham supporter hobby "slagging off our own players"
....or maybe demanding a level of skill and application from our players to justify their spectacular wages in return for our outlaying our hard earned funds in watching them?
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Yes, we never learn do we. How many players do we write off in their early days at the club, and then find out in the 2nd and 3rd season that they are actually pretty reasonable?
Let me start with a Chris Baird, and I'll raise you a Bobby Zamora.
And I'll counter with Steve Marlet and all in.
He played two good games, and it was all downhill from there. Sounds familiar? Except Salsa didn't come with a 11.5 million quid price tag in 2001
I'll throw in a Danny Murphy and point out that Baird, BZ and Murphy combined cost a lot less than Marlet, and are 3 of our top players. Yet all would have been ditched a long time ago if it was up to the slaggers.
"....or maybe demanding a level of skill and application from our players to justify their spectacular wages in return for our outlaying our hard earned funds in watching them? "
Doesn't sound very rewarding or much fun to me Ron. For those who think along those lines, I can wholeheartedly endorse giving up on Fulham and watching The Best of One Man and his Dog.
Nogood "living vicariously, isit" Boyo
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on March 24, 2011, 11:26:18 PM
"....or maybe demanding a level of skill and application from our players to justify their spectacular wages in return for our outlaying our hard earned funds in watching them? "
Doesn't sound very rewarding or much fun to me Ron. For those who think along those lines, I can wholeheartedly endorse giving up on Fulham and watching The Best of One Man and his Dog.
Nogood "living vicariously, isit" Boyo
I agree with nogood - that doesn't sound like much fun at all.
I stumbled upon this thread today and I've just finished reading it from start to finish. I cannot believe that anybody being honest would suggest that Salcido is in any way below par for Fulham.
Whilst he may not be the defensive rock that H&H are, he's a capable defender and an EXCELLENT attacking weapon. The prolonged success of H&H has raised expectations from "how lucky are we to have defenders like H&H" to "anyone not as good as H&H is rubbish and a disgrace to the Fulham shirt".
Quick question - has anybody watched Salcido play for Mexico? If you have, you'll know that he has the skills to be a top notch defender, the difference must be that he's got a lot of confidence when he plays for Mexico. The fact that's he had a few rough games in his first year in a new country is no reason to conclude that he's not worth keeping.
I normally don't post, I just catch up on Fulham news every day or two, but I felt obliged to post in this case.
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Quote from: NogoodBoyo on March 24, 2011, 11:26:18 PM
"....or maybe demanding a level of skill and application from our players to justify their spectacular wages in return for our outlaying our hard earned funds in watching them? "
Doesn't sound very rewarding or much fun to me Ron. For those who think along those lines, I can wholeheartedly endorse giving up on Fulham and watching The Best of One Man and his Dog.
Nogood "living vicariously, isit" Boyo
I agree with nogood - that doesn't sound like much fun at all.
I stumbled upon this thread today and I've just finished reading it from start to finish. I cannot believe that anybody being honest would suggest that Salcido is in any way below par for Fulham.
Whilst he may not be the defensive rock that H&H are, he's a capable defender and an EXCELLENT attacking weapon. The prolonged success of H&H has raised expectations from "how lucky are we to have defenders like H&H" to "anyone not as good as H&H is rubbish and a disgrace to the Fulham shirt".
Quick question - has anybody watched Salcido play for Mexico? If you have, you'll know that he has the skills to be a top notch defender, the difference must be that he's got a lot of confidence when he plays for Mexico. The fact that's he had a few rough games in his first year in a new country is no reason to conclude that he's not worth keeping.
I normally don't post, I just catch up on Fulham news every day or two, but I felt obliged to post in this case.
good point Crita (please post more :dft012:) however I think a major problem when he plays for Fulham is the language barrier, if his English is as bad as has been reported then communication must be the issue?
I remember Bocanegra getting the same flak a few years ago and he spoke perfect American...errr... english. No no I was right the first time he definitely spoke american-duuuude. The cali-kid. Speaking of which is anyone gonna watch the US v. Argentina game tonight? I know how much you Inglateros love the Argies... :hook: Could you possibly be supporting the Americans??? Should be a good 'un.
Quote from: McBridefan1 on March 26, 2011, 01:48:59 PM
I remember Bocanegra getting the same flak a few years ago and he spoke perfect American...errr... english. No no I was right the first time he definitely spoke american-duuuude. The cali-kid. Speaking of which is anyone gonna watch the US v. Argentina game tonight? I know how much you Inglateros love the Argies... :hook: Could you possibly be supporting the Americans??? Should be a good 'un.
I'm sure Boca never got much grief. Nobody particularly rated him, but that was because he wasn't all that good. There was no arguing about his quality/lack of, just a decent enough player with a handy knack of scoring goals.
Quote from: McBridefan1 on March 26, 2011, 01:48:59 PM
Speaking of which is anyone gonna watch the US v. Argentina game tonight?
I know Clint will play, but what squad has Argentina for this game?
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Quote from: McBridefan1 on March 26, 2011, 01:48:59 PM
Speaking of which is anyone gonna watch the US v. Argentina game tonight?
I know Clint will play, but what squad has Argentina for this game?
No Tevez but otherwise I think a full squad....or at least that what the newspaper hype is.
Quote from: McBridefan1 on March 26, 2011, 01:48:59 PM
I remember Bocanegra getting the same flak a few years ago and he spoke perfect American...errr... english. No no I was right the first time he definitely spoke american-duuuude. The cali-kid. Speaking of which is anyone gonna watch the US v. Argentina game tonight? I know how much you Inglateros love the Argies... :hook: Could you possibly be supporting the Americans??? Should be a good 'un.
We have a gig tonight, but it's an early one. I'll watch it on DVR when I get home. That's the best way, really, I can FF through all the Alexi Lalas bits. Now if I could only figure out a way to mute Harkes and still hear the crowd noise.
