It was on 10th May last year that the announcement about which teams had qualified for The Europa League through the fair play mechanism was made.
Hopefully there may be some good news to temper last nights gut punch.
PS - There was a lot of talk on the messagebaords and Twitter last night about the 5 yellow cards damaging our push for the Europa League through fair play. My understanding is that only games to the end of April were included in the calculations - therefore last nights cards were meaningless. Am I right?
You are right. End of April was cut-over.
Quote from: finnster01 on May 10, 2011, 07:41:08 AM
You are right. End of April was cut-over.
Perhaps a reason why they collected so many. They were happy they finally could assault the referee and their opponent! Have you seen Baird's reaction? He made a truly bad challenge on his opponent (one out of ineptitude more than anything else), the referee blew his whistle and Baird said "fcuk off" at least three times...
Quote from: sipwell on May 10, 2011, 07:49:41 AM
[ the referee blew his whistle and Baird said "fcuk off" at least three times...
Probably because he got it wrong the first two times.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on May 10, 2011, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: sipwell on May 10, 2011, 07:49:41 AM
[ the referee blew his whistle and Baird said "fcuk off" at least three times...
Probably because he got it wrong the first two times.
You made me laugh you silly sod.
Can someone keep an eye on this because this is where the announcement will be made -
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/news/index.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/news/index.html)
Here is the one from last year -
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1486635.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1486635.html)
And here is the most recent word on it -
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1586457.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1586457.html)
Is this the table for the domestic side of the equation? -
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/fairplay/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/fairplay/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739)
Quote from: White Noise on May 10, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
Can someone keep an eye on this because this is where the announcement will be made -
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/news/index.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/news/index.html)
Here is the one from last year -
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1486635.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1486635.html)
And here is the most recent word on it -
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1586457.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1586457.html)
Is this the table for the domestic side of the equation? -
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/fairplay/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/fairplay/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739)
Mr WN,
This is the offcial one for the domestic fair play. However, it hasn't been updated since March 20th:
http://www.premierleague.com/page/FairPlayTable/0,,12306,00.html (http://www.premierleague.com/page/FairPlayTable/0,,12306,00.html)
Thanks Finnster.
From 20th March up to and including our game on 30th April we played 5 games, winning 3, drawing 1 and losing 1. I mention the results because the follwoing key shows how you collect points during each game -
R/Y = Red & Yellow Cards - Maximum 10 pts per Match (Red 3 pts, Yellow 1 pt)
P/P = Positive Play - Maximum 10 pts per Match
R/O = Respect Towards Opponent - Maximum 7 pts per Match
R/R = Respect Towards Referee - Maximum 7 pts per Match
B/O = Behaviour of Officials - Maximum 6 pts per Match
http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2011/April/FairPlayUpdate.aspx#ixzz1LwcEoYzl (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2011/April/FairPlayUpdate.aspx#ixzz1LwcEoYzl)
In those 5 games we only collected 5 yellow cards and in twio of them no cards at all. I think we will have scored well in the other four categories - with the possible exception of the Wolves game.
Given that fact I find it hard to believe any of the teams below us will have overtaken us in that time.
Therefore hopefully the only thing we need to worry about is all the cards copped by Spurs etc in Europe since the begining of January.
We'd better get in this year because, with Stoke in next year's EL, England won't be placing highly...
closest to us (assuming Tottenham get 5th spot) is Blackpool, they lost 3 and drew 2 of the matches in that time, with 6 yellows, no reds, and one game receiving no cards. Though hopefully a bit of relegation tension meant some poor behaviour and lower scoring in the other categories. :bump:
BAD News: England came 7th. :dead horse:
Sweden have won UEFA's Respect Fair Play rankings, based on all UEFA competition matches played at both club and national team levels, from 1 May 2009 to 30 April 2010.
Winners Sweden, second-placed Denmark and third-placed Finland will each be granted one additional slot in the first qualifying round of the 2010/11 UEFA Europa League.
For the final rankings, only associations having played a minimum of 32 matches are taken into account. This cut-off point is calculated by dividing the total number of UEFA games by the number of national associations.
The Fair Play assessments are made by the official UEFA delegates on criteria such as positive play, respect of the opponent, respect of the referee, behaviour of the crowd and team officials, as well as cautions and dismissals.
The three associations that are allocated an additional UEFA Europa League berth will be entitled to enter the club that has won the domestic top-division fair play competition. If this club has already qualified for a UEFA competition, the second-placed team in the domestic fair play standings may be entered and, should they also have already qualified, the third-placed side would be considered and so forth.
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Respect/01/48/66/48/1486648_DOWNLOAD.pdf (http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Respect/01/48/66/48/1486648_DOWNLOAD.pdf)
Quote from: watfordwhite on May 10, 2011, 01:23:22 PM
BAD News: England came 7th. :dead horse:
Sweden have won UEFA's Respect Fair Play rankings, based on all UEFA competition matches played at both club and national team levels, from 1 May 2009 to 30 April 2010.
Winners Sweden, second-placed Denmark and third-placed Finland will each be granted one additional slot in the first qualifying round of the 2010/11 UEFA Europa League.
For the final rankings, only associations having played a minimum of 32 matches are taken into account. This cut-off point is calculated by dividing the total number of UEFA games by the number of national associations.
The Fair Play assessments are made by the official UEFA delegates on criteria such as positive play, respect of the opponent, respect of the referee, behaviour of the crowd and team officials, as well as cautions and dismissals.
The three associations that are allocated an additional UEFA Europa League berth will be entitled to enter the club that has won the domestic top-division fair play competition. If this club has already qualified for a UEFA competition, the second-placed team in the domestic fair play standings may be entered and, should they also have already qualified, the third-placed side would be considered and so forth.
I THINK THAT THIS IS LAST YEARS RESULTS
Quote from: JBH on May 10, 2011, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: watfordwhite on May 10, 2011, 01:23:22 PM
BAD News: England came 7th. :dead horse:
Sweden have won UEFA's Respect Fair Play rankings, based on all UEFA competition matches played at both club and national team levels, from 1 May 2009 to 30 April 2010.
Winners Sweden, second-placed Denmark and third-placed Finland will each be granted one additional slot in the first qualifying round of the 2010/11 UEFA Europa League.
For the final rankings, only associations having played a minimum of 32 matches are taken into account. This cut-off point is calculated by dividing the total number of UEFA games by the number of national associations.
The Fair Play assessments are made by the official UEFA delegates on criteria such as positive play, respect of the opponent, respect of the referee, behaviour of the crowd and team officials, as well as cautions and dismissals.
The three associations that are allocated an additional UEFA Europa League berth will be entitled to enter the club that has won the domestic top-division fair play competition. If this club has already qualified for a UEFA competition, the second-placed team in the domestic fair play standings may be entered and, should they also have already qualified, the third-placed side would be considered and so forth.
I THINK THAT THIS IS LAST YEARS RESULTS
It is.
The last intermediate was published on 17th January and ran until 31st December - here: http://en.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/General/01/58/64/67/1586467_DOWNLOAD.pdf (http://en.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/General/01/58/64/67/1586467_DOWNLOAD.pdf)
Based on "17 days to collate and publish", I reckon we'll not hear before next week.
FYI to determine domestic fair play winners, end-of-season tables are taken.
Thus, last night's yellow cards count.
I posted the following a couple of weeks ago in Craven Cottage Newsround, but it was buried late in a match recap, and I'm not sure if many read it. Anyway, here's a first time FoF post. Great forum by the way.
The UEFA Fair Play Rankings for the top three countries use match data tallied through 30 April 2011 so presumably we will find out England's ranking relatively soon. The Intermediate Rankings from UEFA.com
http://en.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/General/01/58/64/67/1586467_DOWNLOAD.pdf (http://en.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/General/01/58/64/67/1586467_DOWNLOAD.pdf)
that show England as second are tallied through 31 December 2010. I have no idea how things will shape up, but at least I take comfort from the fact that we seem to be well ahead of a scrum of countries with scores close to third place Sweden (and Norway in commanding lead over us).
That's my eyeball interpretation because I did not do any statistical analysis of those numbers, but I can show you the intermediate fair play rankings from 2009/10 and the final rankings from last year. The 2009/10 intermediate rankings are at
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefa/KeyTopics/94/78/16/947816_DOWNLOAD.pdf (http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefa/KeyTopics/94/78/16/947816_DOWNLOAD.pdf)
and the final rankings are at
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Respect/01/48/66/48/1486648_DOWNLOAD.pdf (http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Respect/01/48/66/48/1486648_DOWNLOAD.pdf)
So what does that show us? (not a lot) Maybe it gives us some hope though. ~0.05 points is a fairly large gap between us and 3rd place. Of those countries at the top of the rankings last year the biggest climber was Norway which increased its point total 0.039 points. The three final winners did not alter their point total a great deal, and in fact, Finland, the third place country, actually declined its aggregate score 0.012 points. Which brings us to the unsettling other finding–in order for Finland to drop points and still gain a ranking, England had to lose a number of points–0.056 to be precise (if I'm doing the math right). Which means, we can expect England to probably drop some points because the same factors which play into our dropping of points during the same time period last year (high pressure CPL matches, maybe) may cause similar negative pressures this year, but we should take solace from the fact that a ~0.05 aggregate point difference does seem to be fairly significant, and it would take more than one other country to have a run of "good luck" to surpass our 2nd place ranking and drop us to 4th place.
Another unrelated issue will be how well FFC does in regards to other EPL teams internally. Those tallies don't end on 30 April 2011. Not sure when exactly. In fact, I seem to remember the FA fudging the numbers at the close of 2008 so that Man City received England's fair play UEFA Cup spot over us because...
Anyway, I wouldn't put much stock in my back-of-the-envelope calculations, but I personally am very hopeful for Europa glory next year.
Here's a scary thought: Since Stoke and Brum are headed to the Europa league, the EPL's sixth place club will not. Sixth may be Tottenham which have a decent shot at surpassing us in the domestic fair play rankings. Wouldn't that be something awful.
Quote from: JBH on May 10, 2011, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: watfordwhite on May 10, 2011, 01:23:22 PM
BAD News: England came 7th. :dead horse:
Sweden have won UEFA's Respect Fair Play rankings, based on all UEFA competition matches played at both club and national team levels, from 1 May 2009 to 30 April 2010.
Winners Sweden, second-placed Denmark and third-placed Finland will each be granted one additional slot in the first qualifying round of the 2010/11 UEFA Europa League.
For the final rankings, only associations having played a minimum of 32 matches are taken into account. This cut-off point is calculated by dividing the total number of UEFA games by the number of national associations.
The Fair Play assessments are made by the official UEFA delegates on criteria such as positive play, respect of the opponent, respect of the referee, behaviour of the crowd and team officials, as well as cautions and dismissals.
The three associations that are allocated an additional UEFA Europa League berth will be entitled to enter the club that has won the domestic top-division fair play competition. If this club has already qualified for a UEFA competition, the second-placed team in the domestic fair play standings may be entered and, should they also have already qualified, the third-placed side would be considered and so forth.
I THINK THAT THIS IS LAST YEARS RESULTS
Yeah, the giveaway as the reference to the 2010-2011 Europa League :011:
Welcome to FoF Schnabs. Good to have you on here.
I had not seen the information stating that Premier League scoring ran on past 30th April but it is now being mentioned as fact. Some people are saying that it runs down to the end of the season so that every team has played the same number of games. That would suggest it will be the end of this month before we know if we are in?
Quote from: White Noise on May 11, 2011, 07:17:37 AM
Welcome to FoF Schnabs. Good to have you on here.
I had not seen the information stating that Premier League scoring ran on past 30th April but it is now being mentioned as fact. Some people are saying that it runs down to the end of the season so that every team has played the same number of games. That would suggest it will be the end of this month before we know if we are in?
Me neither. I assumed it was the same as the UEFA one.
That could be very dodgy now given the Liverpool game.
We will know in a couple of days if England is top 3 in the fair play table and get another place in europe, but we wil not know witch team getting that place before the end of the season.
Since the last fair play(premier leauge) table we have recived 10 yellow cards, Tottenham and Blackpool 8 and Everton 13, so I think we still have a god chanse.
I suspect we'll beat Spurs - I know it's based on more than just cards, but in the Prem Stats disciplinary table:
Fulham (1st) 36 p 45 y 0 r 45 pts
Tottenham (4th) 36 p 50 y 2 r 56 pts
Quote from: ImperialWhite on May 11, 2011, 08:53:19 AM
I suspect we'll beat Spurs - I know it's based on more than just cards, but in the Prem Stats disciplinary table:
Fulham (1st) 36 p 45 y 0 r 45 pts
Tottenham (4th) 36 p 50 y 2 r 56 pts
Not to mention they surely must have dropped some points in the other scales with their high pressure games, hopefully a bit of trouble in the North London derby will lose them some respect points. Then if only Harry would have gone absolutely nuts about the Chelsea non-goals to lose some respect points.
Taken from UEFA website
The UEFA Fair Play Competition, which was introduced in the 1993/94 season gives three countries the chance to enter an additional club in the 1st qualifying round of the Europa League. UEFA maintains a ranking list based on all national and club matches played between May 1 and Apr 30 (in the past this period was June 1 to May 31) in all UEFA competitions except the UEFA Regions Cup.
So it should be finalised soon but they have to know which teams finish in the European qualifying places before they can say who it will be o looks as if it may have to wait until Sunday.
We're still second!
Quote from: zzamora on May 11, 2011, 12:24:13 PM
We're still second!
But its before the Liverpool game and Spurs have the same average on the latest table, so I think they are i pole position now
Europa League regulations are here:
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/48/48/90/1484890_DOWNLOAD.pdf (http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/48/48/90/1484890_DOWNLOAD.pdf)
According to 2.05 3 teams get in on Fair Play grounds.
Seems clear from here: http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1586457.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/respect/news/newsid=1586457.html) that the cut-ff point was 30th April so no need to worry about the 5 yellows on Monday.
I recently posted a reply on the Offal concerning this. After doing a little digging on the UEFA site (not an easy task as the info is buried very deep and I got lucky due to a comment on a blog somewhere), I found the UEFA document pertaining to how clubs may qualify for a place.
ANNEX V: Fair Play Assessment
1. Conduct according to the spirit of fair play is essential for the successful
promotion and development of and involvement in sport. The objective of
activities in favour of fair play is to foster a sporting spirit, as well as the
sporting behaviour of players, team officials and spectators, thereby
increasing the enjoyment of all those involved in the game.
2. In its efforts to promote fair play, UEFA establishes association fair play
rankings for each season, based on all matches played in all UEFA
competitions (national representative and club teams) between 1 June and
31 May. In establishing these rankings, only those associations whose teams
have played at least the required number of matches (total number of
matches assessed divided by the number of associations) are taken into
account. For this purpose, fair play conduct is assessed by the appointed
UEFA match delegate. In reward for the fair play example they set, a
maximum of three associations which attain a previously-defined standard
(average of 8.0 points or more in the rankings) each receive one additional
place in the UEFA Cup of the next season. These additional places are
reserved for the winners of the respective domestic top-division fair play
competition. If the winners of the domestic top-division fair play competition
in question have already qualified for a UEFA club competition, the UEFA
Cup fair play place goes to the highest team in the domestic top-division fair
play rankings which has not already qualified for a UEFA competition.
How all the above is interpreted is still somewhat of a mystery as, as mentioned above, they also state on another page the date of April 30, and the official Prem site (Barclays) only shows results for the Fair Play table up to and including April 30.
In addition is the following from another document found on the same site:
ANNEX V: Respect: Fair Play Assessment Introduction
1. The fair play assessment forms part of the Respect campaign. Conduct
according to the spirit of fair play is essential for the successful promotion
and development of and involvement in sport. The objective of activities in
favour of fair play is to foster a sporting spirit, as well as the sporting
behaviour of players, team officials and spectators, thereby increasing the
enjoyment of all those involved in the game.
UEFA Respect fair play rankings
2. In its efforts to promote fair play, UEFA establishes association fair play
rankings for each season, based on all matches played in all UEFA
competitions (national representative and club teams) between 1 May and 30
April. In establishing these rankings, only those associations whose teams
have played at least the required number of matches (i.e. total number of
matches assessed divided by the number of associations) are taken into
account. For this purpose, fair play conduct is assessed by the appointed
UEFA match delegate.
Criteria for an additional place in the UEFA Europa League
3. In reward for the fair play example they set, a maximum of three associations
which attain an average of 8.0 points or more in the rankings each receive
one additional place in the next season's UEFA Europa League. If some
associations are equal on points in the rankings, lots will be drawn by the
UEFA administration to define the associations that receive an additional
place. These additional places are reserved for the winners of the respective
domestic top-division fair play competitions, provided that this national
assessment is based at least on the following criteria: red and yellow cards,
positive play, respect for the opponents as well as for the referee, and the
behaviour of the team officials and of the crowd. If the winner of the domestic
top-division fair play competition in question has already qualified for a UEFA
club competition, the UEFA Europa League fair play place goes to the nextranked
team in the domestic top-division fair play rankings which has not
already qualified for a UEFA competition.
Interpret away I guess.
Fulham FC Official
The latest Fair Play table released today sees Fulham in second place with two games remaining...
SO - Thusday Night in Hogenspittle or Verdahagensmorf and then Sunday matches in the Prem. Oh the joy.
Alright I know I am in the minority but I just don't see the advantages outweighing the disadvantages
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 11, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Fulham FC Official
The latest Fair Play table released today sees Fulham in second place with two games remaining...
SO - Thusday Night in Hogenspittle or Verdahagensmorf and then Sunday matches in the Prem. Oh the joy.
Alright I know I am in the minority but I just don't see the advantages outweighing the disadvantages
I may have to work some saturdays so it's ideal for me!
The chance to play in different locations against some big name European teams again is an exciting prospect for me.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2011/May/FairPlayUpdate.aspx (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2011/May/FairPlayUpdate.aspx)
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 11, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Fulham FC Official
The latest Fair Play table released today sees Fulham in second place with two games remaining...
SO - Thusday Night in Hogenspittle or Verdahagensmorf and then Sunday matches in the Prem. Oh the joy.
Alright I know I am in the minority but I just don't see the advantages outweighing the disadvantages
Those stats are not including the Liverpool game, and the results quoted were released before that horrible match.
Just goes to show how on the ball the Sarah Brookes marketing department is. TYpical Fulham uselessness. Why do we even bother paying these fools wages?
If England is given a Fair Play spot, I believe, the surest way for us to get it is to hope that Tottenham wins out. Considering their form that will be a tall order. There simply seems to be too much hockus-pockus mumbo-jumbo within the amalgamated domestic fair play table equation to count on us beating Tottenham out (especially after our 5 yellow card drubbing on Monday) for that spot. Of course, that cuts both ways, Tottenham isn't playing convincing football either right now and maybe they'll lose points in certain ways as well.
My evidence that the domestic fair play calculation covers the entire season is simply from my memory of how it shook out the last time England was granted an extra Fair Play spot. From what I remember, it came down to the last day, and Man City somehow squeaked ahead of us.
Hi, a Spurs fan here. I saw this thread via Google when I was searching for some information on the subject.
Just to confirm that the UEFA table ran from 1 May 2010 to 30 April 2011 and the final version should be published any day now. The Premier League Fair Play table runs until the every end of the Premier League season. That table is based on five categories as shown on the Premier League web-site and only one (red and yellow cards) is objectively scored. The other four are subjectively scored by assessors that attend every game and therefore it's difficult to second guess who may finish where.
By the way I don't even want to qualify for the Europa League by coming 5th and so I certainly don't want to enter it by Fair Play and start playing on 30 June! You're more than welcome to it...
Okay last season the Fair Play teams were announced on Mon 10th May, this was because our Premiership season finished on Sun 9th May.
Working on that principle I do not expect there to be any announcement until Mon 23rd May as this is the day after the league season ending.
So sorry folks but we have another 11 days to wait :003:
Quote from: finnster01 on May 11, 2011, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 11, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Fulham FC Official
The latest Fair Play table released today sees Fulham in second place with two games remaining...
SO - Thusday Night in Hogenspittle or Verdahagensmorf and then Sunday matches in the Prem. Oh the joy.
Alright I know I am in the minority but I just don't see the advantages outweighing the disadvantages
Those stats are not including the Liverpool game, and the results quoted were released before that horrible match.
Just goes to show how on the ball the Sarah Brookes marketing department is. TYpical Fulham uselessness. Why do we even bother paying these fools wages?
Sarah Brookes is in charge of media not marketing Finn and yes I would!!!
Quote from: epsomraver on May 12, 2011, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on May 11, 2011, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 11, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Fulham FC Official
The latest Fair Play table released today sees Fulham in second place with two games remaining...
SO - Thusday Night in Hogenspittle or Verdahagensmorf and then Sunday matches in the Prem. Oh the joy.
Alright I know I am in the minority but I just don't see the advantages outweighing the disadvantages
Those stats are not including the Liverpool game, and the results quoted were released before that horrible match.
Just goes to show how on the ball the Sarah Brookes marketing department is. TYpical Fulham uselessness. Why do we even bother paying these fools wages?
Sarah Brookes is in charge of media not marketing Finn and yes I would!!!
Keep your eyes off, I tried to chat her up first!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/calendar2011.html (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/calendar2011.html)
Quote from: TheDon on May 12, 2011, 05:34:47 PM
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/calendar2011.html (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/calendar2011.html)
Keep May 09, 2012 free please people.
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 12, 2011, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on May 12, 2011, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on May 11, 2011, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 11, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Fulham FC Official
The latest Fair Play table released today sees Fulham in second place with two games remaining...
SO - Thusday Night in Hogenspittle or Verdahagensmorf and then Sunday matches in the Prem. Oh the joy.
Alright I know I am in the minority but I just don't see the advantages outweighing the disadvantages
Those stats are not including the Liverpool game, and the results quoted were released before that horrible match.
Just goes to show how on the ball the Sarah Brookes marketing department is. TYpical Fulham uselessness. Why do we even bother paying these fools wages?
Sarah Brookes is in charge of media not marketing Finn and yes I would!!!
Keep your eyes off, I tried to chat her up first!
GET IN THE QUEUE!!! Youngest at the back... age before beauty!! :drums: :drums:
According to lots of norwegian media Norway, England and Sweden got the Fair-Play places. fotball.no, the website for the norwegian football association, also refers to this.
Quote from: Bilet on May 13, 2011, 06:55:45 PM
According to lots of norwegian media Norway, England and Sweden got the Fair-Play places. fotball.no, the website for the norwegian football association, also refers to this.
Billet i do pray you are right, but i hope we dont get a Norwegian team, i'm hoping for cheap beer, hot country like Tenerife, Levente, Creta (though Greece is expensive) , . A Scandi country would be real test as they start their season early for obvious reasons, infact FC Haka of Finland (yes i was there) almost beat us because they was already at full fitness and we had come straight from the beach, that ws a team with Saha, Boa etc.
