3 games in and I can't believe some of the things i'm reading.....
Lets get this straight Villa are a top 10 side with the squad they have certainly on paper ahead of us...
Wolves on a massive high from staying up and again on papre probably a very similar strength squad and don't forget we were away we know what happens..
Newcastle again away and once again probably expected to do similar to us...
SO a new manager rarely do things happen straight away especially here... give him time.
Injury to Bobby we know we don't score without him and that has been proved everytime he injured..
What were you really expecting at this stage maybe 3 pts from the Villa game so we are 2 points down on what most would predict personally i thought a draw against Villa and a draw at Wolves so i'm 1 point down...
Get a grip... we are Fulham stay realistic or be for ever disappointed ...
Totally disagree. I had higher hopes this far in the season. Unfortunately this is what happens when we have a manager who wants to change everything overnight just for the fun of it and now wants to sell Baird too? We barely can field a starting 11.
He is getting away lightly in my book.
We all have higher hopes at the stat of every season but when you get poo on and have to start rebuilding again.
We keep batting above ourselves with the players we have based on others failing as much as our achievements ... many of those teams have gone through changes and are now getting settled again something we have to start yet again...
I'd love to have more points but from what i saw of the highlights we were a striker short yesterday nothing more ... that for me is the only disappointment its not been sorted yet.
The rest i stand by.
Quote from: finnster01 on August 29, 2011, 10:15:08 AM
Totally disagree. I had higher hopes this far in the season. Unfortunately this is what happens when we have a manager who wants to change everything overnight just for the fun of it and now wants to sell Baird too? We barely can field a starting 11.
He is getting away lightly in my book.
Hughes did exactly the same and we were in the bottom three come Christmas yet most campaigned that he must be given more time.
Why can't Jol be afforded the same? (especially considering he's had three league games, sixteen less than Hughes)
Based on last season results against the same three teams we are 2pts down so are now playing catch up against even last season results and remember last year we had very very poor results against the top six clubs and if we repeated that, we would need to go on another great home run with the normal 2-3 away wins late in the season.
I would have expected/wanted one win and a draw out of those three games at least when the fixtures first came out. Its been the performances for me which have been the biggest let down, ok yesterday for 30 mins at the start and when we were 2-0 down we started playing...but too late.
Stupid to say it even now, but given the fixtures we have in Nov & Dec , Blackburn at home is MUST WIN game, no excuses we must win.
Blackburn is a must win.... I agree and we will .....
Villa was a good performance.
Yesterday was the best I'd seen us play under Jol. How many teams go away and dominate possession and lead in both shots on & off target?
The issue at the moment is out of Jols hands. The thiness of the squad and the injury to Zamora. The former WILL be addressed before Thursday and the latter will hopeful be sorted as soon as physically possible.
Quote from: FulhamMic on August 29, 2011, 10:48:03 AM
Villa was a good performance.
Yesterday was the best I'd seen us play under Jol. How many teams go away and dominate possession and lead in both shots on & off target?
The issue at the moment is out of Jols hands. The thiness of the squad and the injury to Zamora. The former WILL be addressed before Thursday and the latter will hopeful be sorted as soon as physically possible.
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Sorry to disagree but Villa was not a good performance, flat as a pancake first half and then yes we improved but it was not good.
You lot must be sick of me. But and this may upset a few of you, all sports rely on form, at the moment, we are not in the best of it but it will turn and then we will see. Also, this may surprise some of you but being able to play Football Manager does not make you an exceptional talent, because if you were, you would surely be managing a top team now. Believe it or not, on the football side, we have professionals in charge, you may not like it or indeed them, but they are our team and yes they earn more money than most of us could dream about. So, why not let them get on with things , wait until our form turns and then judge them.
Quote from: Peabody on August 29, 2011, 11:09:11 AM
You lot must be sick of me. But and this may upset a few of you, all sports rely on form, at the moment, we are not in the best of it but it will turn and then we will see. Also, this may surprise some of you but being able to play Football Manager does not make you an exceptional talent, because if you were, you would surely be managing a top team now. Believe it or not, on the football side, we have professionals in charge, you may not like it or indeed them, but they are our team and yes they earn more money than most of us could dream about. So, why not let them get on with things , wait until our form turns and then judge them.
Yes Peaody we are sick of you :57: ...just kidding. I agree with you about form playing a part, but I think we have bigger problems at the moment. We need a striker, RB and more depth.
So where in the "Form is Temporary, Class is Permanent" spectrum do we really sit?
Quote from: finnster01 on August 29, 2011, 11:19:34 AM
So where in the "Form is Temporary, Class is Permanent" spectrum do we really sit?
If I had to hazard a guess I would say somewhere near the bottom.
I would like to congratulate Mark Hughes for jumping ship. He was the best thing ever to happen to Fulham and fully deserved to be given unlimited money for his short stay. Putting the club at serious financial risk would have been justified because Mark Hughes is one of the greatest managers in the UK, if not world, at the moment.
His leaving showed that Fulham have no ambition or desire to ever challenge for a league title, something Mr.Hughes was right to point to as a reason for leaving.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on August 29, 2011, 11:43:44 AM
I would like to congratulate Mark Hughes for jumping ship. He was the best thing ever to happen to Fulham and fully deserved to be given unlimited money for his short stay. Putting the club at serious financial risk would have been justified because Mark Hughes is one of the greatest managers in the UK, if not world, at the moment.
His leaving showed that Fulham have no ambition or desire to ever challenge for a league title, something Mr.Hughes was right to point to as a reason for leaving.
ha ha
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on August 29, 2011, 11:43:44 AM
I would like to congratulate Mark Hughes for jumping ship. He was the best thing ever to happen to Fulham and fully deserved to be given unlimited money for his short stay. Putting the club at serious financial risk would have been justified because Mark Hughes is one of the greatest managers in the UK, if not world, at the moment.
His leaving showed that Fulham have no ambition or desire to ever challenge for a league title, something Mr.Hughes was right to point to as a reason for leaving.
Superb!
Quote from: FulhamMic on August 29, 2011, 10:48:03 AM
Villa was a good performance.
Yesterday was the best I'd seen us play under Jol. How many teams go away and dominate possession and lead in both shots on & off target?
The issue at the moment is out of Jols hands. The thiness of the squad and the injury to Zamora. The former WILL be addressed before Thursday and the latter will hopeful be sorted as soon as physically possible.
Not sure about Villa, but agree entirely about Newcastle. We played really well - that kind of performance at home and it's
we were good value for our 3pts as Hodgson liked to say. It was the performance I was worried I hadn't seen yet - get a striker and another player or two and we'll be fine, I'm sure.
Yes Mark Hughes was good if not aloof manager, but I notice he is still out of work. I think the best Managers are the ones that can motivate players that are not your multi-millonare stars, like Hodgson did. Which ever way you look at it in reality Fulham will never challenge for a league title with all the huge ammount of money being thrown around in the Premership at the Man city's etc., :002:
I'm not sure it's a question of panic or being unfair to Jol. I do remember, however, when the schedule came out that MANY on this board were talking "top four in September with our soft start" and "12 points from our first four matches and then coast into October." Certainly all the people who felt so positive about our manager and our squad ought to feel just a LITTLE disappointed without being accused of treason.
It's a good thing we have Etuhu on the team. That way we can express displeasure with one Fulham employee and -- evidently still be considered true-blue Fulham. If, on the other hand, one expresses displeasure with Jol or even shows a scintilla of doubt, well ... . 096.gig
I have abstained from commenting until now on team performances and transfers to date as due to cricket committments I have not seen a game live but only on television highlights and internet streams from the Ukraine. But I have to say I am concerned at what is happening at our club - disjointed performances, confusing team selection and limited transfer activity. Some 12 players out and only 4 in, of which only one of the four is a proven player at this level. Deadwood out and with more to go no doubt but now little or no depth. This should reduce the annual running costs of wages by some £10m a year and looking at those transfers alone we are a net spender of some c£5m - but the obvious deficiencies in the team remain.
We talk of being 8th last season but just a couple of points less and that would have been 15th. There were many games which were won and lost by the odd goal so there is a fine line between success and failure in this league at our level. We need to remove our dependence upon Zamora and Murphy who totally influence our style of play. Without them in the team we are a reduced force and with them in the team premiership teams increasingly know how to stop us playing.
It is increasingly unlikely that we are going to bring in players in the next 2 days that are going to instantly or dramatically change this as it is seemingly evident that we are not going to spend big bucks. I think we will have missed a massive opportunity to consolidate the mid to upper table position of recent years alongside the established teams like Villa and Everton. Come May we may regret that and I find that so disappointing.
Bottom line....some of you just don't like Jol. Admit it. So you have no patience and won't give him a chance until we start winning and then you will have to run for cover and eat crow. Its SOOO much easier to be critical rather than find reasons to support the direction your team is headed. S001.gif
Hughes had us in the relegation scrap and playing with no purpose, no plan B, tried to change too much etc., etc, etc....
What does crow taste like ??
Quote from: RidgeRider on August 29, 2011, 02:13:20 PM
Bottom line....some of you just don't like Jol. Admit it. So you have no patience and won't give him a chance until we start winning and then you will have to run for cover and eat crow. Its SOOO much easier to be critical rather than find reasons to support the direction your team is headed. S001.gif
Hughes had us in the relegation scrap and playing with no purpose, no plan B, tried to change too much etc., etc, etc....
Jack, if you don't understand the basis and substance of some of these comments, perhaps you should just let them slide rather than trivialize them and those that make them. It's sooooo much easier to say "you just don't like him" then actually evaluate what people are saying. If there's a silly 12-year-old in the schoolyard in this thread, my friend, it is you. Let the grown ups talk without heckling them. There's a good lad.
Quote from: HatterDon on August 29, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on August 29, 2011, 02:13:20 PM
Bottom line....some of you just don't like Jol. Admit it. So you have no patience and won't give him a chance until we start winning and then you will have to run for cover and eat crow. Its SOOO much easier to be critical rather than find reasons to support the direction your team is headed. S001.gif
Hughes had us in the relegation scrap and playing with no purpose, no plan B, tried to change too much etc., etc, etc....
Jack, if you don't understand the basis and substance of some of these comments, perhaps you should just let them slide rather than trivialize them and those that make them. It's sooooo much easier to say "you just don't like him" then actually evaluate what people are saying. If there's a silly 12-year-old in the schoolyard in this thread, my friend, it is you. Let the grown ups talk without heckling them. There's a good lad.
No need for that! We have on record that
Jol-baiter-in-chief , finn, dislikes them because he's ex-Spurs, for instance.
At least some of us Hughes-haters had the decency to wait until we were in the relegation zone before declaring it open season when discussing Hughes' basic ability to manage our football club...
Quote from: RidgeRider on August 29, 2011, 02:13:20 PM
Bottom line....some of you just don't like Jol. Admit it. So you have no patience and won't give him a chance until we start winning and then you will have to run for cover and eat crow. Its SOOO much easier to be critical rather than find reasons to support the direction your team is headed. S001.gif
Hughes had us in the relegation scrap and playing with no purpose, no plan B, tried to change too much etc., etc, etc....
My comments are nothing to do with whether I like Jol or not - I dont know him and I dont know how good a manager he is. His track record indicates that on balance he should succeed with time and patience. My concerns stem mainly from the clubs transfer policy which bewilders me at the moment and imagine that he is having at least some say in this, plus some rather confusing team selections which are undoubtedly his responsibility
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on August 29, 2011, 11:43:44 AM
I would like to congratulate Mark Hughes for jumping ship. He was the best thing ever to happen to Fulham and fully deserved to be given unlimited money for his short stay. Putting the club at serious financial risk would have been justified because Mark Hughes is one of the greatest managers in the UK, if not world, at the moment.
His leaving showed that Fulham have no ambition or desire to ever challenge for a league title, something Mr.Hughes was right to point to as a reason for leaving.
You really have no idea have you? what are you 18? 20? Whatever age you are you certainly have a lot to learn.
Steven......as much as I hate to agree with you, you are not too far out with your summary. The team is in a stage of transformation, as I see it, and things are starting to gel, but of course it all takes time. As Mr Peabody rightly states, because you can play Championship Manager, it in no way makes you a professional manager. People on here need to lighten up a little and give MJ a chance. After all he did not do too badly at Spurs did he?
God there are some drama queens on this board
The games v Villa and Newcastle who was voted man of the match in both
The Oppositions Goal keepers, nuff said
COYW
Quote from: HatterDon on August 29, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on August 29, 2011, 02:13:20 PM
Bottom line....some of you just don't like Jol. Admit it. So you have no patience and won't give him a chance until we start winning and then you will have to run for cover and eat crow. Its SOOO much easier to be critical rather than find reasons to support the direction your team is headed. S001.gif
Hughes had us in the relegation scrap and playing with no purpose, no plan B, tried to change too much etc., etc, etc....
Jack, if you don't understand the basis and substance of some of these comments, perhaps you should just let them slide rather than trivialize them and those that make them. It's sooooo much easier to say "you just don't like him" then actually evaluate what people are saying. If there's a silly 12-year-old in the schoolyard in this thread, my friend, it is you. Let the grown ups talk without heckling them. There's a good lad.
Obviously I have hit a nerve with you. Likely cause I speak truth. It's unbecoming to trivialize an opinion that the other lacks understanding, it is condescending, which is what your comments are, which is often the case these days, and hypocritical to the extreme.
Human behavior suggests nearly all opinions are based on emotion rather than logic and are only later supported by hand chosen logic to bolster ones opinions. You admitted yourself you don't like Jol because of last year when he was being looked at by Fulham, so you are conveniently forgetting that fact.
Maybe you should take your own advice or leave the personal attacks to Facebook or the official message board.
....ah but Mr Biker man the whole delicious point about football you can dislike a player, manager or club for no good reason.
( of course I have a very good reason for despising the Spurts to a man and every man woman and child associated with Wolves.
For example I was really pleased we signed Davies but not so much Dempsey. It is not that I dislike Demps, his apparent lack of awareness of the threat from his opposite number, still grates though. I just admire Davies' game more than his.
Zamora I though was a great signing from the start but I still scratching my head re AJ, I have tried to appreciate AJ's contribution but ...........
I Liked sulky, moody Mark 'Never complain and reluctantly explain' Hughes, but large sways of Fulham fan never warmed to him and if he had stayed would still feel the same even if he got us greater success.
.....................and now there is Jol, and so it goes ....................
Quote from: KCat on August 29, 2011, 05:27:38 PM
....ah but Mr Biker man the whole delicious point about football you can dislike a player, manager or club for no good reason.
Totally agree. My intention is not to stop the 'Jol bashing' by the 'He-man Jol haters club', whose membership seems to be increasing, so much as for some to be honest they have NEVER liked him even before the first ball was kicked.
Truth is for me is I LOVED Hodgson cause I thought he was a bit of gentlemen and he did so much with so little and he had a clear vision and ethic that I found comforting, I had no time for Hughes (always thought he was a bit smug but he turned out to be a good manager) and I neither dislike or like Jol.....I'm sort of inert when it comes to Jol but I feel inclined to support him.
I also LOVED PK! 075.gif
Quote from: RidgeRider on August 29, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: KCat on August 29, 2011, 05:27:38 PM
....ah but Mr Biker man the whole delicious point about football you can dislike a player, manager or club for no good reason.
Totally agree. My intention is not to stop the 'Jol bashing' by the 'He-man Jol haters club', whose membership seems to be increasing, so much as for some to be honest they have NEVER liked him even before the first ball was kicked.
Truth is for me is I LOVED Hodgson cause I thought he was a bit of gentlemen and he did so much with so little and he had a clear vision and ethic that I found comforting, I had not time for Hughes (always thought he was a bit smug but he turned out to be a good manager) and I neither dislike or like Jol.....I'm sort of inert when it comes to Jol but I feel inclined to support him.
I also LOVED PK! 075.gif
This is the kinda same feeling i have , I'm still waiting to see what he really does , It's still early and we have had Bobby out . So I will kinda hold my tongue on this . Don't get me wrong I have found some of his choices in line-up strange, but he's the man that gets paid much money to make those kinda choices . But i will give him a few more matches before I call for his head.
I also LOVED PK! 075.gif
Funny about that ...
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The Killers - Human (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIZdjT1472Y#ws)
Quote from: finnster01 on August 29, 2011, 10:15:08 AM
Totally disagree. I had higher hopes this far in the season. Unfortunately this is what happens when we have a manager who wants to change everything overnight just for the fun of it and now wants to sell Baird too? We barely can field a starting 11.
He is getting away lightly in my book.
Am i missing something here i have not heard Jol say he wants to sell Baird, or did he?
Quote from: RidgeRider on August 29, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: KCat on August 29, 2011, 05:27:38 PM
....ah but Mr Biker man the whole delicious point about football you can dislike a player, manager or club for no good reason.
Totally agree. My intention is not to stop the 'Jol bashing' by the 'He-man Jol haters club', whose membership seems to be increasing, so much as for some to be honest they have NEVER liked him even before the first ball was kicked.
Jeez, Jack, you're getting more infantile with each post. Perhaps YOU need to post elsewhere -- on Cottage Corner maybe -- instead of trying to quell discussion among Fulham supporters on this site. With the exception of Mr. Finn, I haven't seen anyone state that they even dislike Jol. Many of us have said that we're unconvinced/worried/skeptical etc., but that's hardly hate. Of course, you've always had a tin ear when it comes to the point of view of some posters here.
My point is, and was earlier, that the purpose of sites like this is to encourage give and take -- not to trivialize it and try to cut it off.
Quote from: alfie on August 29, 2011, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on August 29, 2011, 10:15:08 AM
Totally disagree. I had higher hopes this far in the season. Unfortunately this is what happens when we have a manager who wants to change everything overnight just for the fun of it and now wants to sell Baird too? We barely can field a starting 11.
He is getting away lightly in my book.
Am i missing something here i have not heard Jol say he wants to sell Baird, or did he?
He is being linked as part of deals. He hasn't been involved in anything before we got injuries.
I don't know what Jol has said or not, but the writing is on the wall and I for one will be pleasantly surprised if Baird is a Fulham player Sept 1, especially since we apparently have signed the Juve RB.
We are 3 games in.
With a new manager.
With some new names in the team.
Lets not write off the manager, or our season, quite so early.
Keep the faith...
COYW!
....not so negative now is it ??
I am really looking forward to the Blackburn game and see our new line up in action. Perhaps the International break is a good thing, because it gives everyone a chance to gel together and maybe give more time for \\\bobby to get over his injury. Best of all, we have kept all of the players that lots of people said we would loose.
Come on! Fulham added a 10 million pound man and top quality JAR to a team which finished 8th. That is what everyone was bleating about, A NEW STRIKER and a LEFT BACK. We have them now. (With Briggs in the mix we now have 2 left backs) I, like everyone else, is disappointed we don't have 4 or 5 points on the board but as someone else said, Villa and newcastle, great goalkeeping by the opposition.
