We are right now officially bottom of the table.
Congratulation on a wonderful achievement :doh: Why don't you do the right thing again and 093.gif ?
Lets give him more than 4 games to prove himself.
Too early to start panicking, and no need for knee-jerk reactions at the moment.
I daresay you may well be right Mr Finn, but lets give him a chance...
Quote from: Burt on September 17, 2011, 04:14:53 PM
Lets give him more than 4 games to prove himself.
Too early to start panicking, and no need for knee-jerk reactions at the moment.
+1
We just need time to play jol's style of football, it will come over time though - be patient.
Quote from: manxman on September 17, 2011, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: Burt on September 17, 2011, 04:14:53 PM
Lets give him more than 4 games to prove himself.
Too early to start panicking, and no need for knee-jerk reactions at the moment.
+1
We just need time to play jol's style of football, it will come over time though - be patient.
And while we are at it, why don't we ask Danny Murphy to play like Messi too? We do not have the players to play Jol football and everyone except Jol accepts it and adjust. Jol is too stubborn. He'll never change. 079.gif
I think once the players adapt to the new formation, we will start winning, how many game that will take is the question though, we can't really afford adaptation time.
And to think some people thought we could be in a really good position with the start we had, top four after eight games or something like that.
That was never on with a new manager and new faces and new tactics.
Keep calm and be realistic...
Quote from: finnster01 on September 17, 2011, 04:22:26 PM
Quote from: manxman on September 17, 2011, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: Burt on September 17, 2011, 04:14:53 PM
Lets give him more than 4 games to prove himself.
Too early to start panicking, and no need for knee-jerk reactions at the moment.
+1
We just need time to play jol's style of football, it will come over time though - be patient.
And while we are at it, why don't we ask Danny Murphy to play like Messi too? We do not have the players to play Jol football and everyone except Jol accepts it and adjust. Jol is too stubborn. He'll never change. 079.gif
I agree with you about murphy, but thats a different topic! ha, i believe things will turn around and jol is the man to do this.
okay so if we sack jol now, who will replace him? dave jones? Avram grant? at this point jol is the best we have got. So we might aswell support him and our team. we were bottom at christmas under hughes and he took us up to 8th, we have enough good players to stay up .
Put your fishing rod away
I'm sorry but in my eyes Martin Jol is NOT the man to take Fulham forward. I've had a bad feeling about this guy since he joined and I've not warmed to him what so ever. The cheeky smile won't save him for much longer and I can see him being sacked if results don't start improving. I like the way people say "Give the guy time" or "Let the players adapt to his style of football" what style? There isn't one and the guy hasn't got a clue.
Most of our players are running around like headless chickens and for a guy to break up one of the best ever defensive pairings we've had is absolute maddness in my eyes. Jol has been out of the Premiership far to long to suddnely come back and try experimenting. If both Swansea, Norwich and QPHAH win today and we lose to Citeh tomorrow, which we will, things will not look to rosey.
If Jol isnt improving i'd love too see Martin O'Neill in Fulham!
Quote from: ElissonSnygg on September 17, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
If Jol isnt improving i'd love too see Martin O'Neill in Fulham!
Christ, don't let the Fulham faithful hear you say that, they'll have you strung up!! But.. if you want results MON is the man.
Quote from: Admin on September 17, 2011, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: ElissonSnygg on September 17, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
If Jol isnt improving i'd love too see Martin O'Neill in Fulham!
Christ, don't let the Fulham faithful hear you say that, they'll have you strung up!! But.. if you want results MON is the man.
MON talks a good talk. But his only real success has either been in Scotland, or the lower divisions in England. I really don't think he would be a better option than our current gaffer.
Ha oh yeah, and how are we going to afford Jol's pay off and MON's wages? That's ignoring the fact we have little money to spend so MON wouldn't be interested in the first place.
Quote from: Mr_Moon on September 17, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
Put your fishing rod away
+1 I normally rate Finnster as good poster, but this "
anti-Jol crusade" is getting a bit boring!
Now these next 6 games are massive for us...
Man City (H)
WBA (A)
QPR (H)
Stoke (A)
Everton (H)
Wigan (A)
We need points on the board ASAP otherwise heads will roll...
Quote from: Nick the Swede on September 17, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Mr_Moon on September 17, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
Put your fishing rod away
+1
I normally rate Finnster as good poster, but this "anti-Jol crusade" is getting a bit boring!
A lot could be said about Martin Jol also..
Quote from: Nick the Swede on September 17, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Mr_Moon on September 17, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
Put your fishing rod away
+1
I normally rate Finnster as good poster, but this "anti-Jol crusade" is getting a bit boring!
Its actually getting VERY boring. We can moan but things will not change as a result of this so whilst we may feel better for a moan it is best to accept the status quo and hope that results improve.
Quote from: Nick the Swede on September 17, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Mr_Moon on September 17, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
Put your fishing rod away
+1
I normally rate Finnster as good poster, but this "anti-Jol crusade" is getting a bit boring!
Sorry to hear that Mr Nick, but you do not need to read my posts and I still am under the belief I am allowed to express my opinion. I do happen to like your posts, so I will continue to read them though.
But I am very confident in stating that if either you or I had been managers of Fulham, we could do no worse than Martin Jol has done as I write this in terms of table position and we were not paid the money he is do do HIS JOB :035:
Quote from: Admin on September 17, 2011, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: Nick the Swede on September 17, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Mr_Moon on September 17, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
Put your fishing rod away
+1
I normally rate Finnster as good poster, but this "anti-Jol crusade" is getting a bit boring!
A lot could be said about Martin Jol also..
Well, I guess you're right, but if we could keep the discussion on a sensible level we would all feel better. 99% of the arguments against Mr Jol on this board are taken out of context so far.
Quote from: finnster01 on September 17, 2011, 05:12:57 PM
Sorry to hear that Mr Nick, but you do not need to read my posts and I still am under the belief I am allowed to express my opinion. I do happen to like your posts, so I will continue to read them though.
But I am very confident in stating that if either you or I had been managers of Fulham, we could do no worse than Martin Jol has done as I write this in terms of table position and we were not paid the money he is do do HIS JOB :035:
Not really having a dig at you
per se, but as you have been to most vocal person (so far) in the "anti-jol" campaign it happened to be branded with your name.
I'll continue to read your posts, of course, but I'll use my right to disagree when I feel it's appropriate.
Quote from: SG on September 17, 2011, 05:12:31 PM
Quote from: Nick the Swede on September 17, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Mr_Moon on September 17, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
Put your fishing rod away
+1
I normally rate Finnster as good poster, but this "anti-Jol crusade" is getting a bit boring!
Its actually getting VERY boring. We can moan but things will not change as a result of this so whilst we may feel better for a moan it is best to accept the status quo and hope that results improve.
If we all went along with what you are saying the message board would be VERY VERY Boring.
Quote from: Nick the Swede on September 17, 2011, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on September 17, 2011, 05:12:57 PM
Sorry to hear that Mr Nick, but you do not need to read my posts and I still am under the belief I am allowed to express my opinion. I do happen to like your posts, so I will continue to read them though.
But I am very confident in stating that if either you or I had been managers of Fulham, we could do no worse than Martin Jol has done as I write this in terms of table position and we were not paid the money he is do do HIS JOB :035:
Not really having a dig at you per se, but as you have been to most vocal person (so far) in the "anti-jol" campaign it happened to be branded with your name.
I'll continue to read your posts, of course, but I'll use my right to disagree when I feel it's appropriate.
I cant read so I wont bother with any of your posts, but I agree with Finn.
I think Fulham can be blamed for not securing the signing of a central striker or two. Jol spent over 10 million on a player I am not sure we needed. If it all comes good then fine. But Hughes walked because of our lack of funds or backing. Jol has had a list of names that we failed to secure. If by Christmas we have a ten million pound player sitting on the bench and we are still in the relegation zone, then Jol will go if we have a replacement.
But like some of our fans pre season. Our club seemed to have lost faith in the Prem. We were on the verge of trying to push to the next level. We were simply not willing or able to do so. A full back to replace an out going player and a few young promising players. Plus a big signing may simply not be good enough with yet another new manager to save us.
Not sure Jol is the only problem.
The one thing that unites us is the care we have for our club...
Lets give it large tomorrow.
I would love to see us put one over Citeh, and to come back on here and feel the warmth from all the positive comments.
I suspect we will get done over though, and message-board-meltdown will be the order of the day...
Quote from: Burt on September 17, 2011, 05:27:06 PM
The one thing that unites us is the care we have for our club...
Lets give it large tomorrow.
I would love to see us put one over Citeh, and to come back on here and feel the warmth from all the positive comments.
I suspect we will get done over though, and message-board-meltdown will be the order of the day...
I think that is where you have some of us (panic merchants) wrong, were not going to believe we can win every game and against the likes of Man U, Man City, Chelsea were not likely to. But it is the manner of how we actually play, I could accept losing tomorrow if we at least made a bloody attempt at winning the game. We won't have anywhere near the possession we have had in our previous games but as we could only muster two shots on target in most of those games, I'm hoping our two shots tomorrow go in at least.
I freaked out as well when i saw Fulham's name at the bottom of the table just now, but i think it's important to keep our nerve and as the phrase goes 'we must keep calm and carry on'. I'm praying it will all come right, and as all of it is completely out of our control that's all we can really do. There is no point getting rid of Jol at this stage as there is nobody else and it would only make matters worse.
Most of our players are running around like headless chickens and for a guy to break up one of the best ever defensive pairings we've had is absolute madness in my eyes. Jol has been out of the Premiership far to long to suddenly come back and try experimenting. If both Swansea, Norwich and QPHAH win today and we lose to Citeh tomorrow, which we will, things will not look to rosy
+1
Swans check, Naarwich check, Rangers check
20th thanking you Mr Jol, your system sucks
I'm backing Jol until the bitters match, be in the botom three and make me suffer the torrent of abuse from my muggy bitter mates if we lose then shoot the manager , not sack him. Until then i'm hoping Ruiz turns out to be all he's cracked up to be, Bobby can sort himself out, and the poison in the team spirit that is Captain Murphy retires.
Quote from: mangoputney on September 17, 2011, 05:41:55 PM
for a guy to break up one of the best ever defensive pairings we've had is absolute madness in my eyes.
I wanted Jol in place (never liked Hughes), but this is the one thing that just does not make sense.
I think we should all be chelsea supporters.
Quote from: Blingo on September 17, 2011, 06:11:17 PM
I think we should all be chelsea supporters.
Or we can become Manu supporters and move to Surrey.
Quote from: cebu on September 17, 2011, 07:02:59 PM
Quote from: Blingo on September 17, 2011, 06:11:17 PM
I think we should all be chelsea supporters.
Or we can become Manu supporters and move to Surrey.
Surrey?????? Isn't that Sarf of the river? Dont they have a really crap supporters team that get absolutely battered by the Mighty Middlesex Maulers :028: Hmm whose the Middx manager again :008:
Time to bring back Ostrich Watch and Spiny Dog Dooda Fish.
Nogood "needing a distraction from all this doom and gloom, isit" Boyo
P.S. Our cat's just caught a mouse and is having a marvelous time releasing and catching, releasing and catching. And Wales are about to play their bogey team, Samoa. Big night. I'll watch Fulham tomorrow with limited expectations. Bottom of the table in September is not a problem. Bottom of the table on December 31 is.
I have the uneasy feeling that Jol's "plan" isn't a plan at all, but sort of making it up as he goes along, which leads to
excuses, which leads to failure.
This is not borig at all. I agree with Finn and Jol is a huge cause for concern. Not only his tactics but post match he comes across as he is on a jolly, with an attitude of "that's football, that's life". To me, he seems weak and it appears as though he has not done his homework on Fulham before starting the job. Of course, I don't know that but a phrase I learnt many years ago culd apply here "perception is reality, whether it is true or not"
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 17, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
I'm backing Jol until the bitters match, be in the botom three and make me suffer the torrent of abuse from my muggy bitter mates if we lose then shoot the manager , not sack him. Until then i'm hoping Ruiz turns out to be all he's cracked up to be, Bobby can sort himself out, and the poison in the team spirit that is Captain Murphy retires.
i must be getting old and senile as i agree with you.
Has today's game changed anything?
has today's game changed anything? NO. Not as far as the manager is concerned. Hopefully the players will have a bit more confidence.
No.
I have been saying all along to keep the faith and give Jol time.
I have not changed my opinion.
Quote from: Burt on September 18, 2011, 06:29:34 PM
No.
I have been saying all along to keep the faith and give Jol time.
I have not changed my opinion.
+1
Quote from: White Noise on September 18, 2011, 06:20:05 PM
Has today's game changed anything?
Yes. I'm less worried, because we took shots on goal. Maybe that's all that's been missing?
And Dembele played well. As did Sidwell and Schwartzer and others.
And Ruiz looked much better.
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 17, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
I'm backing Jol until the bitters match, be in the botom three and make me suffer the torrent of abuse from my muggy bitter mates if we lose then shoot the manager , not sack him. Until then i'm hoping Ruiz turns out to be all he's cracked up to be, Bobby can sort himself out, and the poison in the team spirit that is Captain Murphy retires.
Can you expand on the last phrase in your last sentence - please?
Quote from: Gozorich on September 18, 2011, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 17, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
I'm backing Jol until the bitters match, be in the botom three and make me suffer the torrent of abuse from my muggy bitter mates if we lose then shoot the manager , not sack him. Until then i'm hoping Ruiz turns out to be all he's cracked up to be, Bobby can sort himself out, and the poison in the team spirit that is Captain Murphy retires.
Can you expand on the last phrase in your last sentence - please?
Yeah i think Danny has a problem with Jol, seems to be a bit of a problem amonsgt the team (obviously not today). I'd like to see Kasami see a lot more time on the pitch as i think he could be superb.
Quote from: jarv on September 18, 2011, 06:28:25 PM
has today's game changed anything? NO. Not as far as the manager is concerned. Hopefully the players will have a bit more confidence.
I think we may have seen a slight change from Jol and that's with I hope the end of Hangeland-Senderos at CB.
Its not that Senderos is a bad player, but in effect both him and Brede are the same type of CB's who attack the ball and players who need a Hughes/Baird next to them. Every time Brede went for a ball Baird would drop behind just like Hughes does.
We seem too square with both Brede and senderos at the back.
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 18, 2011, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: Gozorich on September 18, 2011, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 17, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
I'm backing Jol until the bitters match, be in the botom three and make me suffer the torrent of abuse from my muggy bitter mates if we lose then shoot the manager , not sack him. Until then i'm hoping Ruiz turns out to be all he's cracked up to be, Bobby can sort himself out, and the poison in the team spirit that is Captain Murphy retires.
Can you expand on the last phrase in your last sentence - please?
Yeah i think Danny has a problem with Jol, seems to be a bit of a problem amonsgt the team (obviously not today). I'd like to see Kasami see a lot more time on the pitch as i think he could be superb.
Do you not think if there was such a problem of team sprit that there would be no way we could have fought back today.
Quote from: MJG on September 18, 2011, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: jarv on September 18, 2011, 06:28:25 PM
has today's game changed anything? NO. Not as far as the manager is concerned. Hopefully the players will have a bit more confidence.
I think we may have seen a slight change from Jol and that's with I hope the end of Hangeland-Senderos at CB.
Its not that Senderos is a bad player, but in effect both him and Brede are the same type of CB's who attack the ball and players who need a Hughes/Baird next to them. Every time Brede went for a ball Baird would drop behind just like Hughes does.
We seem too square with both Brede and senderos at the back.
I agree with your point, but let's also remember that Senderos doesn't have the benefit of the Hodgson defensive drilling.
I can't believe there are supporters calling for a manager's head so soon in the season EVEN after an inspirational comeback against a team who have players on the bench that cost more than our entire team, If the results aren't improving by christmas then we will have much more of an idea but the football is good, shape of the team is right and when the players get used to it and each other, I'm confident things will improve. But, hey ho - you can always hope we get beat on Wednesday and next week so you can try to get support for your crusade.
Quote from: MJG on September 18, 2011, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 18, 2011, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: Gozorich on September 18, 2011, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 17, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
I'm backing Jol until the bitters match, be in the botom three and make me suffer the torrent of abuse from my muggy bitter mates if we lose then shoot the manager , not sack him. Until then i'm hoping Ruiz turns out to be all he's cracked up to be, Bobby can sort himself out, and the poison in the team spirit that is Captain Murphy retires.
Can you expand on the last phrase in your last sentence - please?
Yeah i think Danny has a problem with Jol, seems to be a bit of a problem amonsgt the team (obviously not today). I'd like to see Kasami see a lot more time on the pitch as i think he could be superb.
Do you not think if there was such a problem of team sprit that there would be no way we could have fought back today.
No i just think the whole big occaision rallied us despite the piosonous Danny playing. I really believe if Danny goes we will improve 100%. Kasami for Murph is a no brainer in my opinion.
cheeeeel winston
Quote from: MJG on September 18, 2011, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: jarv on September 18, 2011, 06:28:25 PM
has today's game changed anything? NO. Not as far as the manager is concerned. Hopefully the players will have a bit more confidence.
I think we may have seen a slight change from Jol and that's with I hope the end of Hangeland-Senderos at CB.
Its not that Senderos is a bad player, but in effect both him and Brede are the same type of CB's who attack the ball and players who need a Hughes/Baird next to them. Every time Brede went for a ball Baird would drop behind just like Hughes does.
We seem too square with both Brede and senderos at the back.
This obsession everyone has with Baird over Senderos is unbelievable.
Baird was at fault for the goal against Twente, yet no one has piped up and said, yet when we get beat it's all the fault of Senderos.
Blinkered view, as in my opinion, Baird should only be used a bench player. Phil reads the game far better.
Quote from: Reindeer on September 18, 2011, 09:53:20 PM
Quote from: MJG on September 18, 2011, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: jarv on September 18, 2011, 06:28:25 PM
has today's game changed anything? NO. Not as far as the manager is concerned. Hopefully the players will have a bit more confidence.
I think we may have seen a slight change from Jol and that's with I hope the end of Hangeland-Senderos at CB.
Its not that Senderos is a bad player, but in effect both him and Brede are the same type of CB's who attack the ball and players who need a Hughes/Baird next to them. Every time Brede went for a ball Baird would drop behind just like Hughes does.
We seem too square with both Brede and senderos at the back.
This obsession everyone has with Baird over Senderos is unbelievable.
Baird was at fault for the goal against Twente, yet no one has piped up and said, yet when we get beat it's all the fault of Senderos.
Blinkered view, as in my opinion, Baird should only be used a bench player. Phil reads the game far better.
if you read the post its more about the style and getting the best from what we have, not about being blinkered about playing one player.if Brede was injured then I have no problem with Senderos playing in place of him. I just don't think the two of them are good together.
As for the comment that Phil reads the game better than Baird, I wait to be convinced on that one.
Quote from: Reindeer on September 18, 2011, 09:53:20 PM
Quote from: MJG on September 18, 2011, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: jarv on September 18, 2011, 06:28:25 PM
has today's game changed anything? NO. Not as far as the manager is concerned. Hopefully the players will have a bit more confidence.
I think we may have seen a slight change from Jol and that's with I hope the end of Hangeland-Senderos at CB.
Its not that Senderos is a bad player, but in effect both him and Brede are the same type of CB's who attack the ball and players who need a Hughes/Baird next to them. Every time Brede went for a ball Baird would drop behind just like Hughes does.
We seem too square with both Brede and senderos at the back.
This obsession everyone has with Baird over Senderos is unbelievable.
Baird was at fault for the goal against Twente, yet no one has piped up and said, yet when we get beat it's all the fault of Senderos.
Blinkered view, as in my opinion, Baird should only be used a bench player. Phil reads the game far better.
And the other side of the coin is that you could blame Senderos for the goal against Blackburn because his clearance was quite poor. I think all our centre backs are capable players in the prem and the only one certain for the team sheet is Hangeland.
Quote from: Motspur on September 18, 2011, 09:17:13 PM
I can't believe there are supporters calling for a manager's head so soon in the season EVEN after an inspirational comeback against a team who have players on the bench that cost more than our entire team, If the results aren't improving by christmas then we will have much more of an idea but the football is good, shape of the team is right and when the players get used to it and each other, I'm confident things will improve. But, hey ho - you can always hope we get beat on Wednesday and next week so you can try to get support for your crusade.
I agree great post
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 18, 2011, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: MJG on September 18, 2011, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 18, 2011, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: Gozorich on September 18, 2011, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on September 17, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
I'm backing Jol until the bitters match, be in the botom three and make me suffer the torrent of abuse from my muggy bitter mates if we lose then shoot the manager , not sack him. Until then i'm hoping Ruiz turns out to be all he's cracked up to be, Bobby can sort himself out, and the poison in the team spirit that is Captain Murphy retires.
Can you expand on the last phrase in your last sentence - please?
Yeah i think Danny has a problem with Jol, seems to be a bit of a problem amonsgt the team (obviously not today). I'd like to see Kasami see a lot more time on the pitch as i think he could be superb.
Do you not think if there was such a problem of team sprit that there would be no way we could have fought back today.
No i just think the whole big occaision rallied us despite the piosonous Danny playing. I really believe if Danny goes we will improve 100%. Kasami for Murph is a no brainer in my opinion.
Freddy, I don't want to continue this thread unnecessarily but you haven't explained, or given any evidence, against Murphy. I agree he isn't the player he has been for us but to use the word 'poisonous' is a serious allegation against our Captain; it suggests he is, deliberately or not, contaminating the team spirit. How and where is he poisonous, I haven't noticed it and by the lack of support for your point of view I reckon nor have many others?
did i miss something, what happened to Hughes in defence, does Jol not like him?
Otherwise I'm happy with Jol, and will give him patience. There's so much goo feasting on these boards it's ridiculous
Quote from: King_Crud on September 19, 2011, 11:20:30 AM
did i miss something, what happened to Hughes in defence, does Jol not like him?
Otherwise I'm happy with Jol, and will give him patience. There's so much goo feasting on these boards it's ridiculous
Hughes is injured.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on September 19, 2011, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: King_Crud on September 19, 2011, 11:20:30 AM
did i miss something, what happened to Hughes in defence, does Jol not like him?
Otherwise I'm happy with Jol, and will give him patience. There's so much goo feasting on these boards it's ridiculous
Hughes is injured.
Oh phew. I tried doing a search but didn't find anything
Quote from: King_Crud on September 19, 2011, 11:48:08 AM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on September 19, 2011, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: King_Crud on September 19, 2011, 11:20:30 AM
did i miss something, what happened to Hughes in defence, does Jol not like him?
Otherwise I'm happy with Jol, and will give him patience. There's so much goo feasting on these boards it's ridiculous
Hughes is injured.
Oh phew. I tried doing a search but didn't find anything
He went off injured during the Blackburn game. But I'd expect him to be available very soon.
Well here I am back from deepest Herefordshire, having missed yesterdays game and you should have heard the roar when I heard that we had come back from 2-0 down. But in response to Finns original point, can i just say (in my best scouse voice Finn) Calm down, calm down.
Yesterday ended wonderfully so I'm upbeat and have utter confidence in Jol. That's not how I felt at half time though and it may not be how I feel after the West Brom game. Or maybe it will. I bend with each result.
What I don't understand are those who took against Jol before the season even started and give the impression that they don't want him to succeed.
We can see that he's trying new things and at best getting it right will take time. I don't see that he was wrong in identifying the need to change a squad that was clearly aging.
"I don't see that he was wrong in identifying the need to change a squad that was clearly aging."
Aging? They're so old, they'll be driving to work in Robin Reliants.
Nogood "Zimmora-frames and all, isit" boyo
Seriously guys, it could be worse.. we could have torres upfront?!
