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Not going well for the guy, gonna be one of most hated soon up there with Bellamy and Barton.
Quote from: Jack Fulham on December 05, 2011, 11:35:48 PM
Not going well for the guy, gonna be one of most hated soon up there with Bellamy and Barton.
Or even El Hadji Diouff. Great talent, but he is a slimy, greasy turd aint he?
So will he get wrist slapped by the FA ... ... ... oh well, I wont hold my breath.
I think he was just confirming the score......
...a grubby little geezer, trying to con a penalty in the dying seconds by just falling at Senderos's feet.
Isn't it a shame that talent doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with admirable qualities?
Hating players is a bit immature in my opinion, but I've hated him ever since the 2nd of July 2010.
Sore loser! :012:
The little slimeball has been practicing these diving techniques. He gets himself into position so that it appears as though he's being taken down, when in reality he is completely leaning on the defender, and once the defender moves, Suarez goes down. I think the refs are onto his little scheme though. He's also a poor loser. Yeah losing sucks, but you should be graceful in both victory and defeat.
contrast that with Andy Carroll. Buffeted about by Senderos and Hangeland, poleaxed by Etuhu and stoned by Tha Shwartz, and I saw him pat a couple of these guys on the back in dead ball situations.
Quote from: HatterDon on December 06, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
contrast that with Andy Carroll. Buffeted about by Senderos and Hangeland, poleaxed by Etuhu and stoned by Tha Shwartz, and I saw him pat a couple of these guys on the back in dead ball situations.
Hangeland showed Carroll who's the beast in the air today.
Quote from: JohnKovacs on December 06, 2011, 12:19:13 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on December 06, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
contrast that with Andy Carroll. Buffeted about by Senderos and Hangeland, poleaxed by Etuhu and stoned by Tha Shwartz, and I saw him pat a couple of these guys on the back in dead ball situations.
Hangeland showed Carroll who's the beast in the air today.
You almost feel sorry for the guy. He sits on the bench against run-of-the-mill CBs, and then he gets to play against Senderos-Hangeland. 064.gif
And then I remember that if I had his money, I'd eat mine for breakfast.
Quote from: JohnKovacs on December 06, 2011, 12:02:49 AM
The little slimeball has been practicing these diving techniques. He gets himself into position so that it appears as though he's being taken down, when in reality he is completely leaning on the defender, and once the defender moves, Suarez goes down.
Replayed that move on Senderos in slow-motion...the ball hit his feet, he turned, & threw his feet up like he'd been shot. 096.gig
Undeniable the talent he has, but I wouldn't want him playing for Fulham.
Quote from: JohnKovacs on December 06, 2011, 12:02:49 AM
The little slimeball has been practicing these diving techniques. He gets himself into position so that it appears as though he's being taken down, when in reality he is completely leaning on the defender, and once the defender moves, Suarez goes down. I think the refs are onto his little scheme though. He's also a poor loser. Yeah losing sucks, but you should be graceful in both victory and defeat.
So different to the wholly admirable Andrew Johnson. Or Gordon Davies in earlier times.
Conning refs for penalties by going down easily is a venerable tradition from all football cultures.
Deffo a bad night at the office for him. Bad loser. The FA may fine him a few thousand, which will be the equivalent of a minute's earnings, so he won't be too bothered by that.
Sore loser! 096.gig :012:
I'd take any kind of abuse from an opposition player as a compliment (and maybe an indication of a slight lack of professionalism).
Obnoxious little runt, Suarez. Bloody good player, though.
Quote from: HatterDon on December 06, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
contrast that with Andy Carroll. Buffeted about by Senderos and Hangeland, poleaxed by Etuhu and stoned by Tha Shwartz, and I saw him pat a couple of these guys on the back in dead ball situations.
That's not the only contrast between Suarez and Carroll.
He's a quality player, who if he used his football skills more than his diving skills, would be leaving the pitch at most grounds with applause in his ears, instead of calls of cheat.
If everyone was a hero there would be no more villains... Then who would we hate? The guy is an arse, awesome. More reason to hate poolboys, might even turn a few of their supporters away. I remember johnny pants taking a dive like that and the fans and the coach let him know it was unacceptable. That's why we are well thought of and the pool are a collection of villains.
The difference this year compared to last season where he was by far the best player on the pitch and gave Hangeland an absolute torrid time was purely and simply the fact that Hangeland's defending last night was top top quality!!!
Last season he gave Suarez that yard/half a yard that he needed to be able to spin off him and accelerate away, last night he was absolutely touch tight and whenever Suarez went to spin off he simply stepped across and blocked his path - resulting in Suarez throwing himself to ground looking for a free kick.
I don't think we should be discussing Suarez as much as we are/have been on the board tonight/today but more the world class defensive performance of Brede!
Quote from: Andy_M on December 06, 2011, 01:08:06 PM
The difference this year compared to last season where he was by far the best player on the pitch and gave Hangeland an absolute torrid time was purely and simply the fact that Hangeland's defending last night was top top quality!!!
Last season he gave Suarez that yard/half a yard that he needed to be able to spin off him and accelerate away, last night he was absolutely touch tight and whenever Suarez went to spin off he simply stepped across and blocked his path - resulting in Suarez throwing himself to ground looking for a free kick.
I don't think we should be discussing Suarez as much as we are/have been on the board tonight/today but more the world class defensive performance of Brede!
AMEN. :beer:
i love love love that we wound him up to that extent. but also appreciate that he comes from a culture in south america where minimal contact means it is acceptable to throw yourself down, and it is applauded there where it is looked down on here. there is a correlation between the amount of skillful players they produce and their football culture. so in that regards i dont hold it against him. it is, in a sense, cheating, but at the same time it's not, a foul is a foul.
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
Bollocks. He knew exactly what negrito sounded like, and he's been in Europe long enough to know that.
He was racially abusing Evra to try and get a reaction.
Racist cheat.
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:22:36 PM
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
Bollocks. He knew exactly what negrito sounded like, and he's been in Europe long enough to know that.
He was racially abusing Evra to try and get a reaction.
Racist cheat.
disagree, europeans still use it, ie 'A tweet that was sent on Friday from Dani Pachecho to his Spain U21 team-mate Thiago translated as: "Negrito. Enjoy yourself there and if you need anything the lion will come to the rescue haha..."' although perhaps thats different since they are both fluent in spanish. to be honest i havent even seen the context in which the word was used. were they arguing? or just talking.
Quote from: McBridefan1 on December 06, 2011, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
right negrito isn't nigger it's little blacky... much better. 082.gif glad you cleared that up Lorky. 064.gif
haha, if negrito makes saurez racist then im as racist as he is
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
Negrito is not a racist term when used amongst friends in certain parts of the world.
When used against a black opposition player when tempers are flaring, it most certainly is racist.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 06, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
Negrito is not a racist term when used amongst friends in certain parts of the world.
When used against a black opposition player when tempers are flaring, it most certainly is racist.
thats why i want to know the context of it.
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 06, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
Negrito is not a racist term when used amongst friends in certain parts of the world.
When used against a black opposition player when tempers are flaring, it most certainly is racist.
thats why i want to know the context of it.
The context is that it was a heated game between two historical rivals, where one player with a history of getting frustrated used the term negrito repeatedly towards a black player from the other team. They are not friends and had been arguing. Why would he say it for any other reason than to offend?
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
We'll see what the panel decides. I think if Suarez gets cleared, Liverpool will be going after Evra, if appropriate. Very serious allegation and this type of mud tends to stick in people's minds.
Re: what he actually said, "negrito" is also speculation. As far as I understand, the theory goes that it was supposed to have been used in the context of "Hey, mate, mate... (calm down)..." Suarez was giving Evra a bit of a torrid time and the Frenchman was getting wound up.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 06, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
The context is that it was a heated game between two historical rivals, where one player with a history of getting frustrated used the term negrito repeatedly towards a black player from the other team. They are not friends and had been arguing. Why would he say it for any other reason than to offend?
.. because his lift doesn't go higher than the first first floor perhaps? Or he continuously confuses his boot size with his IQ? Or perhaps be cause he has teeth like a beaver and acts like one (sic) all too often.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 06, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 06, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
Negrito is not a racist term when used amongst friends in certain parts of the world.
When used against a black opposition player when tempers are flaring, it most certainly is racist.
thats why i want to know the context of it.
The context is that it was a heated game between two historical rivals, where one player with a history of getting frustrated used the term negrito repeatedly towards a black player from the other team. They are not friends and had been arguing. Why would he say it for any other reason than to offend?
A small problem with that - Suarez got the better of Evra in the match, so if anyone was getting frustrated...
he can take that to his mom hahahaa
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 06, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 06, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: Lork on December 06, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 06, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Hmmm... a little racist corner of FoF...
Well Suarez would know about that, wouldn't he?
To be honest I'll be furious if he gets booked/fined/whatever for this and not for calling Evra a n*****.
it wasnt, it was negrito which isnt a racist term. i think his case was helped by anderson and hernandez who were ont he pitch too.
Negrito is not a racist term when used amongst friends in certain parts of the world.
When used against a black opposition player when tempers are flaring, it most certainly is racist.
thats why i want to know the context of it.
The context is that it was a heated game between two historical rivals, where one player with a history of getting frustrated used the term negrito repeatedly towards a black player from the other team. They are not friends and had been arguing. Why would he say it for any other reason than to offend?
A small problem with that - Suarez got the better of Evra in the match, so if anyone was getting frustrated...
Exatctly. Suarez was clearly trying to wind up Evra in the hope of getting him into trouble.
I also hope that Lpool don't 'go after Evra' if the Suarez complaint goes nowhere. Evra did the responsible thing and reported what he thinks is racial abuse. This should be applauded to help get it out of the game. Many pro's have come out and said that they were abused by fellow players but nothing ever got done about it. Reprimanding Evra will only set back the fight against Racism.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on December 06, 2011, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 03:56:15 PM
A small problem with that - Suarez got the better of Evra in the match, so if anyone was getting frustrated...
Exatctly. Suarez was clearly trying to wind up Evra in the hope of getting him into trouble.
I also hope that Lpool don't 'go after Evra' if the Suarez complaint goes nowhere. Evra did the responsible thing and reported what he thinks is racial abuse. This should be applauded to help get it out of the game. Many pro's have come out and said that they were abused by fellow players but nothing ever got done about it. Reprimanding Evra will only set back the fight against Racism.
Not really sure how that follows "exactly" from what I wrote but never mind.
Re: 2nd part. I see your point; however... let's say someone accuses me of racism in work. Publicly, loudly, etc. Even if I do get cleared, these sort of things tend to stick and could have long-term implications for me in the industry.
For Evra, if Suarez gets cleared but Evra sticks to his guns and refuses to back down, Liverpool would have little choice (as an organisation whose employee had been falsely accused of a serious offence) but to take him to task, I think. If he issues a statement along the lines of "the situation has been clarified, it was indeed a misunderstanding, etc" it would make sense for Liverpool to leave it at that.
What riles me about Suarez is how brazenly he tries to deceive referees despite being an exceptional player. He's good enough not to need to do it - and his attitude creates enemies (or at least a negative impression) where one doesn't need to exist. I want to marvel at his skill, not his diving ability.
Suarez twinned with Maradona
Quote from: dancrawford on December 06, 2011, 05:12:41 PM
What riles me about Suarez is how brazenly he tries to deceive referees despite being an exceptional player. He's good enough not to need to do it - and his attitude creates enemies (or at least a negative impression) where one doesn't need to exist. I want to marvel at his skill, not his diving ability.
There is the rub for me exactly. He seems to be well on his way to becoming one of the most disliked characters in the Premier League, if he is not already there.....
what do you expect the guy beat ghana at the last world cup by deliberately catching a ball heading into the goal... ghana got the penalty but missed it. he has learned you win by cheating. The guy is a cheat, but football needs its villaines.
Cheeky chappy, he'll get a fine but it'll all blow over...
He strikes me as a player who plays better when he's angry, like when Im at work if Im P!ssed off I get more done, perhaps its his master plan to annoy all the clubs then storm the second round of matches....
Still at £22m, a great player
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Cheated against Ghana in the World Cup with that blatant handball...
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Pulling Rafael hair like a girlie...
Suarez is a cheat and until the Refs come down hard on him he will continue to cheat...He dives at every opportunity and tries to get players sent off.
Suarez was caught again in a cultural misunderstanding...he was simply attempting to tell the Fulham faithful they were #1 :022:
What I love about the above photo was #4 attempted to knock the ball away with his hand first, but whiffed. So tragic his blatant cheating was rewarded when Ghana blew the pk.
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance.
Much rather guaranteeing his team the semis. With blantant cheating.
Do you really try to defend him for that? fp.gif
Guaranteeing??? Ghana had a penalty.
Lets hope Liverpool don't sign Nunez as well
Suarez is his own worst enemy. A gifted player, but he lets himself down. Very frustrating, because when he is on song he is great to watch. He has bags of talent and really doesn't need to indulge in the other stuff.
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
So you condone cheating then? By ANY team and any player? Or is it just because this is a Liverpool cheat we are discussing?
I guess then if a player is through on goal, you would sanction the keeper bringing him down, even if it means breaking the players legs and ending his career then? Even if that player was a Liverpool player?
Sorry Pata, I support many views from many people, but I would suggest if you wish to defend cheating Liverpool players, this is not the forum to do it on.
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
Bollocks.
What Suarez did was contrary to the spirit of the game. Not that we really have a spirit of the game anymore, thanks to racist scumbags like him.
Perhaps what could have stopped that would be to make a
Denying A Goal an offence by which you concede a goal, in addition to
Denying A Goal Scoring Opportunity being awarded a penalty. Even you couldn't deny that a penalty (which are often missed or saved) is clearly an inappropriate punishment when a ball is flying into goal at above head hight (a dead cert for a goal) and is then illegally stopped.
Quote from: Logicalman on December 06, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
So you condone cheating then? By ANY team and any player? Or is it just because this is a Liverpool cheat we are discussing?
I guess then if a player is through on goal, you would sanction the keeper bringing him down, even if it means breaking the players legs and ending his career then? Even if that player was a Liverpool player?
Sorry Pata, I support many views from many people, but I would suggest if you wish to defend cheating Liverpool players, this is not the forum to do it on.
So, you consider physical violence on the pitch "cheating"? This is interesting as it does go somewhat against the grain of traditional British attitudes towards rough play on the pitch, the lionisation of brutality (until very recently), as it's a "man's game". Do you consider, say, the "Chopper" Harrises and Vinny Joneses of this world "cheats"?
To answer your original question, to me a handball on the line to try to save the game in the last minute is OK. Breaking a player's legs is certainly not OK; however, I would point out that it's not necessary to break a player's leg to stop him from scoring. Does every keeper/defender who brings down a player who is through on goal get labelled a "cheat"?
Quote from: Logicalman on December 06, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
So you condone cheating then? By ANY team and any player? Or is it just because this is a Liverpool cheat we are discussing?
I guess then if a player is through on goal, you would sanction the keeper bringing him down, even if it means breaking the players legs and ending his career then? Even if that player was a Liverpool player?
Sorry Pata, I support many views from many people, but I would suggest if you wish to defend cheating Liverpool players, this is not the forum to do it on.
I wish he would just go forth and multiply, come on mods do your job, this is Friends of FULHAM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 01:56:41 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
Bollocks.
What Suarez did was contrary to the spirit of the game. Not that we really have a spirit of the game anymore, thanks to racist scumbags like him.
Perhaps what could have stopped that would be to make a Denying A Goal an offence by which you concede a goal, in addition to Denying A Goal Scoring Opportunity being awarded a penalty. Even you couldn't deny that a penalty (which are often missed or saved) is clearly an inappropriate punishment when a ball is flying into goal at above head hight (a dead cert for a goal) and is then illegally stopped.
Is slyly nudging a player in the back when he's going up for a cross is "in the spirit of the game"? Did the classic English midfield "enforcer" play "in the spirit of the game"?
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 09:44:12 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 06, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
So you condone cheating then? By ANY team and any player? Or is it just because this is a Liverpool cheat we are discussing?
I guess then if a player is through on goal, you would sanction the keeper bringing him down, even if it means breaking the players legs and ending his career then? Even if that player was a Liverpool player?
Sorry Pata, I support many views from many people, but I would suggest if you wish to defend cheating Liverpool players, this is not the forum to do it on.
So, you consider physical violence on the pitch "cheating"? This is interesting as it does go somewhat against the grain of traditional British attitudes towards rough play on the pitch, the lionisation of brutality (until very recently), as it's a "man's game". Do you consider, say, the "Chopper" Harrises and Vinny Joneses of this world "cheats"?
To answer your original question, to me a handball on the line to try to save the game in the last minute is OK. Breaking a player's legs is certainly not OK; however, I would point out that it's not necessary to break a player's leg to stop him from scoring. Does every keeper/defender who brings down a player who is through on goal get labelled a "cheat"?
Yes, violence is cheating. Next.
Racially abusing a player is vile. Obviously, although it appears that the
YNWA spirit even extends to defending racism.
Deliberate handball is cheating. Easy.
Cant we just give this Troll the finger :59: . Is there anyone who actally enjoys his posts?
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 01:56:41 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
Bollocks.
What Suarez did was contrary to the spirit of the game. Not that we really have a spirit of the game anymore, thanks to racist scumbags like him.
Perhaps what could have stopped that would be to make a Denying A Goal an offence by which you concede a goal, in addition to Denying A Goal Scoring Opportunity being awarded a penalty. Even you couldn't deny that a penalty (which are often missed or saved) is clearly an inappropriate punishment when a ball is flying into goal at above head hight (a dead cert for a goal) and is then illegally stopped.
Is slyly nudging a player in the back when he's going up for a cross is "in the spirit of the game"? Did the classic English midfield "enforcer" play "in the spirit of the game"?
No it's not in the spirit, to both.
Why do you appear to think that condemning cheating is condoning violence? It isn't.
Surely it would just be easier to ignore the Mickey Mouses one dimensional tunnel vision and not bite to his ignorant belligerent viewpoints whether it be able Suarez, Liverpool etc.
I agree with you all though, this is FOF, FOF&L. I think it maybe about time to just do away with the aggro.
096.gig
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 09:44:12 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 06, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
So you condone cheating then? By ANY team and any player? Or is it just because this is a Liverpool cheat we are discussing?
I guess then if a player is through on goal, you would sanction the keeper bringing him down, even if it means breaking the players legs and ending his career then? Even if that player was a Liverpool player?
Sorry Pata, I support many views from many people, but I would suggest if you wish to defend cheating Liverpool players, this is not the forum to do it on.
So, you consider physical violence on the pitch "cheating"? This is interesting as it does go somewhat against the grain of traditional British attitudes towards rough play on the pitch, the lionisation of brutality (until very recently), as it's a "man's game". Do you consider, say, the "Chopper" Harrises and Vinny Joneses of this world "cheats"?
To answer your original question, to me a handball on the line to try to save the game in the last minute is OK. Breaking a player's legs is certainly not OK; however, I would point out that it's not necessary to break a player's leg to stop him from scoring. Does every keeper/defender who brings down a player who is through on goal get labelled a "cheat"?
Yes, violence is cheating. Next.
Racially abusing a player is vile. Obviously, although it appears that the YNWA spirit even extends to defending racism.
Deliberate handball is cheating. Easy.
Is an elbow in Suarez's back "cheating"? Is Bobby Zamora leading with an elbow "cheating"? Would fans boo their own for kicking and elbowing Suarez?
I have not defended racism or bigotry anywhere. I did notice that thread with some racist comments was taken down yesterday.
Perhaps if enough posters do a finny then the mods will do their job, I am seriously considering it, and I have him on ignore!
Quote from: epsomraver on December 07, 2011, 10:12:02 AM
Perhaps if enough posters do a finny then the mods will do their job, I am seriously considering it, and I have him on ignore!
Obviously, Mr Raver, 99.99999r % of this board would rather have you than Pata on the board. Your viewpoints are enlightening, well constructed and always for the good of Fulham, although I've been here a short time, I can guage that yourself, Mr Finn, Mr Hat, LB, EQ etc (sorry any I have missed) are die-hard FFC fans and the core of this MB.
We do not want to lose another of the FFC Family due to the Mouse.
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 01:56:41 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
Bollocks.
What Suarez did was contrary to the spirit of the game. Not that we really have a spirit of the game anymore, thanks to racist scumbags like him.
Perhaps what could have stopped that would be to make a Denying A Goal an offence by which you concede a goal, in addition to Denying A Goal Scoring Opportunity being awarded a penalty. Even you couldn't deny that a penalty (which are often missed or saved) is clearly an inappropriate punishment when a ball is flying into goal at above head hight (a dead cert for a goal) and is then illegally stopped.
Is slyly nudging a player in the back when he's going up for a cross is "in the spirit of the game"? Did the classic English midfield "enforcer" play "in the spirit of the game"?
No it's not in the spirit, to both.
Why do you appear to think that condemning cheating is condoning violence? It isn't.
So, where do you draw the line re: punishing those who are not acting in the "spirit of the game"? You could argue that things have moved away from the ideal as soon as money entered the game in the 19th century.
Re: 2nd sentence. Rough play has been historically more acceptable in this country than, say, "going down too easily" - from park pitches to Division One.
Hardly a great ambassador for his once great club now consigned to the also runs. I'm sure many Fulham who didn't have any feelings be it good or bad towards King Kennys failing club now hate them because of Pata. Friends of Fulham not friends of wind up scousers.
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 09:44:12 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 06, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
Quote from: Pata on December 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
He was sent off for the handball on the line against Ghana, earning himself a one-match suspension but giving his team mates a small but fighting chance. Even in Saturday/Sunday football I would expect whoever is on the line to do the same thing. In fact, would have a massive go if the player on the line didn't do it.
If Gyan lost his nerve in taking that pen... it's his own fault.
So you condone cheating then? By ANY team and any player? Or is it just because this is a Liverpool cheat we are discussing?
I guess then if a player is through on goal, you would sanction the keeper bringing him down, even if it means breaking the players legs and ending his career then? Even if that player was a Liverpool player?
Sorry Pata, I support many views from many people, but I would suggest if you wish to defend cheating Liverpool players, this is not the forum to do it on.
So, you consider physical violence on the pitch "cheating"? This is interesting as it does go somewhat against the grain of traditional British attitudes towards rough play on the pitch, the lionisation of brutality (until very recently), as it's a "man's game". Do you consider, say, the "Chopper" Harrises and Vinny Joneses of this world "cheats"?
To answer your original question, to me a handball on the line to try to save the game in the last minute is OK. Breaking a player's legs is certainly not OK; however, I would point out that it's not necessary to break a player's leg to stop him from scoring. Does every keeper/defender who brings down a player who is through on goal get labelled a "cheat"?
Yes, violence is cheating. Next.
Racially abusing a player is vile. Obviously, although it appears that the YNWA spirit even extends to defending racism.
Deliberate handball is cheating. Easy.
Is an elbow in Suarez's back "cheating"? Is Bobby Zamora leading with an elbow "cheating"? Would fans boo their own for kicking and elbowing Suarez?
I have not defended racism or bigotry anywhere. I did notice that thread with some racist comments was taken down yesterday.
I've never claimed that Fulham players have never cheated; but these things are (or can be) appropriately punished. A deliberate handball in the manner of Suarez changed the outcome of the game entirely and not only this the laws are unable to appropriately deal with. This act of cheating is far far worse for that reason.
Suarez - who denied a near certain goal - was merely punished with a penalty and a sending off. Penalties are very often missed, especially in high pressure situations. A sending off is near worthless so late in the game.
Ghana were the moral victors in that match.
...
A cheeky little
tu quoque there - FOFer(s) [allegedly] saying racist things, so I can hardly go and criticise Suarez can I? Now that you mention it, people from my home town have said some pretty racist/homophobic/ablist things, so I better shut up about those in future too (etc etc).
Please use the IGNORE feature if you find a poster winds you up. End of. Maybe I need to post this daily to remind everyone as many have not actually used the feature. You are not compelled to engage posters just because you don't like what they write. Its your choice.
If you don't engage them, then eventually there won't be much reason for them to post. Simple.
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 10:08:05 AM
Is an elbow in Suarez's back "cheating"? Is Bobby Zamora leading with an elbow "cheating"? Would fans boo their own for kicking and elbowing Suarez?
I have not defended racism or bigotry anywhere. I did notice that thread with some racist comments was taken down yesterday.
I've never claimed that Fulham players have never cheated; but these things are (or can be) appropriately punished. A deliberate handball in the manner of Suarez changed the outcome of the game entirely and not only this the laws are unable to appropriately deal with. This act of cheating is far far worse for that reason.
Suarez - who denied a near certain goal - was merely punished with a penalty and a sending off. Penalties are very often missed, especially in high pressure situations. A sending off is near worthless so late in the game.
Ghana were the moral victors in that match.
...
A cheeky little tu quoque there - FOFer(s) [allegedly] saying racist things, so I can hardly go and criticise Suarez can I? Now that you mention it, people from my home town have said some pretty racist/homophobic/ablist things, so I better shut up about those in future too (etc etc).
Well, that's the thing, these things don't always get (appropriately) punished. Defenders still get away with a lot. There is a reaction. Would you really leave you foot planted when there is a defender thundering in? Do you take the full force of the kick or do you prepare and flick your leg away as soon as it's touched?
Back to the (now tiresome issue) of the handball on the line. It can also be argued that the laws deal with it adequately w/o becoming unpracticably cumbersome. The fact that Ghana bottled it makes them no victors, moral or otherwise.
And, racism. What you say about Suarez is based on hearsay and speculation. You are not in full possession of the facts and neither am I. Re: comments in the thread yesterday. There were there, quite explicit, for all to read. I did not see you jump up screaming "racist".
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 07, 2011, 10:37:45 AM
Please use the IGNORE feature if you find a poster winds you up. End of. Maybe I need to post this daily to remind everyone as many have not actually used the feature. You are not compelled to engage posters just because you don't like what they write. Its your choice.
If you don't engage them, then eventually there won't be much reason for them to post. Simple.
But why should we have to ignore him? He reckons he's only defending his club (cant we defend ours on OUR Forum?), but he's cute, he knows he's winding us up, but never says anything to get banned. His comment on the away support at the Emirates was defininately a sly dig. Surely the Mods can see he's upsetting people, Finny is staying away, Mr Raver is considering the same. Why should they go and not the WUM?
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 10:41:24 AM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 10:08:05 AM
Is an elbow in Suarez's back "cheating"? Is Bobby Zamora leading with an elbow "cheating"? Would fans boo their own for kicking and elbowing Suarez?
I have not defended racism or bigotry anywhere. I did notice that thread with some racist comments was taken down yesterday.
I've never claimed that Fulham players have never cheated; but these things are (or can be) appropriately punished. A deliberate handball in the manner of Suarez changed the outcome of the game entirely and not only this the laws are unable to appropriately deal with. This act of cheating is far far worse for that reason.
Suarez - who denied a near certain goal - was merely punished with a penalty and a sending off. Penalties are very often missed, especially in high pressure situations. A sending off is near worthless so late in the game.
Ghana were the moral victors in that match.
...
A cheeky little tu quoque there - FOFer(s) [allegedly] saying racist things, so I can hardly go and criticise Suarez can I? Now that you mention it, people from my home town have said some pretty racist/homophobic/ablist things, so I better shut up about those in future too (etc etc).
Well, that's the thing, these things don't always get (appropriately) punished. Defenders still get away with a lot. There is a reaction. Would you really leave you foot planted when there is a defender thundering in? Do you take the full force of the kick or do you prepare and flick your leg away as soon as it's touched?
Back to the (now tiresome issue) of the handball on the line. It can also be argued that the laws deal with it adequately w/o becoming unpracticably cumbersome. The fact that Ghana bottled it makes them no victors, moral or otherwise.
And, racism. What you say about Suarez is based on hearsay and speculation. You are not in full possession of the facts and neither am I. Re: comments in the thread yesterday. There were there, quite explicit, for all to read. I did not see you jump up screaming "racist".
If it's tiresome, why not hop over to one of your forums? Discuss the greatest club in the World with other likeminded delusional people from Devon?
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 10:41:24 AM
Back to the (now tiresome issue) of the handball on the line. It can also be argued that the laws deal with it adequately w/o becoming unpracticably cumbersome. The fact that Ghana bottled it makes them no victors, moral or otherwise.
It could be argued that (Christ, third person weasel words wind me up - who is "it"? You mean "I would argue that") but it would be a poor argument.
A dead cert for a goal and penalty are not even close to being comparable.
An appropriate punishment would be a gifted goal, at the ref's discretion*.
*Another example that springs to mind is Paul Scholes against us a few seasons ago. What if Danny had missed the pen? A clear goal would have been denied to us by cheating. I concede that the absence of outrage over Schole's cheating is telling. However, there should have been outrage about
both acts of cheating, not
neither.
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on December 07, 2011, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 07, 2011, 10:37:45 AM
Please use the IGNORE feature if you find a poster winds you up. End of. Maybe I need to post this daily to remind everyone as many have not actually used the feature. You are not compelled to engage posters just because you don't like what they write. Its your choice.
If you don't engage them, then eventually there won't be much reason for them to post. Simple.
But why should we have to ignore him? He reckons he's only defending his club (cant we defend ours on OUR Forum?), but he's cute, he knows he's winding us up, but never says anything to get banned. His comment on the away support at the Emirates was defininately a sly dig. Surely the Mods can see he's upsetting people, Finny is staying away, Mr Raver is considering the same. Why should they go and not the WUM?
People can and do defend Fulham. Our motto, and the rules reflect this, is to respect the other posters, meaning we try not to demean them for any reason. Engage and argue but do not get personal. If you guys don't like what a poster says, and you can't help yourself, then IGNORE him, either by using the feature this site provides you or just skip over their post. The less you engage them, the less they will post and the happier some of you will be.
We would not be very good Mods if we just eliminated people because we don't like them. We have some posters on here that are Fulham fans but are not popular with some because of their style or attitude and they wind up other Fulham fans.
We have something on the order of 1000 registered posters. 1 is a Liverpool supporter for example.
We understand some don't appreciate certain posters but many on here do just ignore those they don't appreciate and it seems to work for them. Give it try.
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 07, 2011, 11:04:22 AM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on December 07, 2011, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 07, 2011, 10:37:45 AM
Please use the IGNORE feature if you find a poster winds you up. End of. Maybe I need to post this daily to remind everyone as many have not actually used the feature. You are not compelled to engage posters just because you don't like what they write. Its your choice.
If you don't engage them, then eventually there won't be much reason for them to post. Simple.
But why should we have to ignore him? He reckons he's only defending his club (cant we defend ours on OUR Forum?), but he's cute, he knows he's winding us up, but never says anything to get banned. His comment on the away support at the Emirates was defininately a sly dig. Surely the Mods can see he's upsetting people, Finny is staying away, Mr Raver is considering the same. Why should they go and not the WUM?
People can and do defend Fulham. Our motto, and the rules reflect this, is to respect the other posters, meaning we try not to demean them for any reason. Engage and argue but do not get personal. If you guys don't like what a poster says, and you can't help yourself, then IGNORE him, either by using the feature this site provides you or just skip over their post. The less you engage them, the less they will post and the happier some of you will be.
We would not be very good Mods if we just eliminated people because we don't like them. We have some posters on here that are Fulham fans but are not popular with some because of their style or attitude and they wind up other Fulham fans.
We have something on the order of 1000 registered posters. 1 is a Liverpool supporter for example.
We understand some don't appreciate certain posters but many on here do just ignore those they don't appreciate and it seems to work for them. Give it try.
Jack I think the point you are missing is this is a FULHAM site, friends of, not some wind up scouser who only comes on around when we play them and talks about HIS TEAM!!!
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 11:03:06 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 10:41:24 AM
Back to the (now tiresome issue) of the handball on the line. It can also be argued that the laws deal with it adequately w/o becoming unpracticably cumbersome. The fact that Ghana bottled it makes them no victors, moral or otherwise.
It could be argued that (Christ, third person weasel words wind me up - who is "it"? You mean "I would argue that") but it would be a poor argument.
A dead cert for a goal and penalty are not even close to being comparable.
An appropriate punishment would be a gifted goal, at the ref's discretion*.
*Another example that springs to mind is Paul Scholes against us a few seasons ago. What if Danny had missed the pen? A clear goal would have been denied to us by cheating. I concede that the absence of outrage over Schole's cheating is telling. However, there should have been outrage about both acts of cheating, not neither.
There are enough arguments about the referees' interpretation of the Laws of the Game as it is. If referees' would have the powers to award goals (granted, they do that in rugby in the case of penalty tries), I think we'll have a scandal upon a scandal. Does he award it for every handball on the line? What about strikers rounding goalkeepers? Would it be in a particular segment of the match? Would it be the 4th referee? And so on.
Suarez knew what the punishment would be and the pros outweighed the cons. Under the circumstances, I believe he did the right thing. You don't. (impasse)
Quote from: epsomraver on December 07, 2011, 11:44:49 AM
some wind up scouser who only comes on around when we play them and talks about HIS TEAM!!!
This is factually incorrect.
I seem to recall Rodney Marsh was decent at diving. Must have learnt it up the road at Shepherds Bush.
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 12:10:57 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 07, 2011, 11:03:06 AM
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 10:41:24 AM
Back to the (now tiresome issue) of the handball on the line. It can also be argued that the laws deal with it adequately w/o becoming unpracticably cumbersome. The fact that Ghana bottled it makes them no victors, moral or otherwise.
It could be argued that (Christ, third person weasel words wind me up - who is "it"? You mean "I would argue that") but it would be a poor argument.
A dead cert for a goal and penalty are not even close to being comparable.
An appropriate punishment would be a gifted goal, at the ref's discretion*.
*Another example that springs to mind is Paul Scholes against us a few seasons ago. What if Danny had missed the pen? A clear goal would have been denied to us by cheating. I concede that the absence of outrage over Schole's cheating is telling. However, there should have been outrage about both acts of cheating, not neither.
Suarez knew what the punishment would be and the pros outweighed the cons. Under the circumstances, I believe he did the right thing. You don't. (impasse)
Out of interest would you feel he did the right thing had it have been Russia playing instead of Ghana?
Quote from: Jimpav on December 07, 2011, 12:50:06 PM
Out of interest would you feel he did the right thing had it have been Russia playing instead of Ghana?
Yes. My ire would've been directed at the player missing the penalty.
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: Jimpav on December 07, 2011, 12:50:06 PM
Out of interest would you feel he did the right thing had it have been Russia playing instead of Ghana?
Yes. My ire would've been directed at the player missing the penalty.
In Russia, penalty takes you.
Quote from: Pata on December 07, 2011, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: Jimpav on December 07, 2011, 12:50:06 PM
Out of interest would you feel he did the right thing had it have been Russia playing instead of Ghana?
Yes. My ire would've been directed at the player missing the penalty.
Typical Liverpool fan :hook:
