provocative headline but if his wifes twitter is anything to go by...i love that man, most important player for us.
Quote from: fulhamthroughandthrough on May 06, 2012, 01:57:14 AM
provocative headline but if his wifes twitter is anything to go by...i love that man, most important player for us.
I've just read the same but didn't get what you are getting. She said they love Fulham, when asked, and thats about it.
I also noticed she was whining about mobile reception at some wedding and what an oversight it was by organizers to book a wedding where mobile reception was bad. :58: I think that is exactly what one should do to get people off their mobiles!
Well..... What exactly did she say?
Quote from: leonffc on May 06, 2012, 08:11:32 AM
Well..... What exactly did she say?
she said that danny is not retiring but that today will be very emotianal at the Cottage...sounds ominous
Can someone just not tweet her and say does that mean he's going?do they answer questions?If we let Danny go I think its a mistake.
At some stage DM has to retire and we need to get new blood in so whether it is now or next season, the fact is that it has to happen.
Agreed but its still fairly obvious to most of us that Murphy still has a fair amount to give.
The problem is that he will slow down and become less effective. He struggles to play the full 90 at pace now. There is no doubt that he has been a great asset to us and for now continues to be so but the harsh reality is that age has caught up with him and MJ is slowly turning us into the outfit he wants us to be. Personally I would find his replacement and sign him asap in the new window and give him time with the team and tome to get used to the MJ system. DM has been fantastic for us but I feel that it is time for us to move forwards.
I really think he'll might be player-trainer next season. So it may be his last start as club captain and Fulham regular. Coaching staff anyone?
Reserve team coach as successor for Ray Lew?
Quote from: Mr Fulham on May 06, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
I really think he'll might be player-trainer next season. So it may be his last start as club captain and Fulham regular. Coaching staff anyone?
Reserve team coach as successor for Ray Lew?
good shout, but player/coach :wink:
Would be delighted DM as a player/coach. You can see the rest of the team listen to him as captain and the young players would take on anything he has to say as a coach I'm sure.
Then he could hand pick his own replacement from the youth ranks who we very much need.
Quote from: TheDon on May 06, 2012, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on May 06, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
I really think he'll might be player-trainer next season. So it may be his last start as club captain and Fulham regular. Coaching staff anyone?
Reserve team coach as successor for Ray Lew?
good shout, but player/coach :wink:
Just read an article about Joe Bacuzzi, who was trainer at Fulham after his active career. Sorry, was back in the old days.
He had a great game today. Whilst he isn't getting any younger, he still has much to give, and has a huge influence on the side.
Couldn't it be that "emotional" refers to him having to say goodbye to players alongside whom he played in the last couple of years (such as Dempsey, Dembélé, Etuhu, Baird and others). 'End of an era' kind of way but them leaving and not him.
(I added Dembélé but I am unsure he fits the description)
Quote from: sipwell on May 06, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
Couldn't it be that "emotional" refers to him having to say goodbye to players alongside whom he played in the last couple of years (such as Dempsey, Dembélé, Etuhu, Baird and others). 'End of an era' kind of way but them leaving and not him.
(I added Dembélé but I am unsure he fits the description)
you've probably been asked this a million times mr.sipwell but do you think dembele will stay? whats the belgian angle on it?
Quote from: fulhamthroughandthrough on May 06, 2012, 06:28:33 PM
Quote from: sipwell on May 06, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
Couldn't it be that "emotional" refers to him having to say goodbye to players alongside whom he played in the last couple of years (such as Dempsey, Dembélé, Etuhu, Baird and others). 'End of an era' kind of way but them leaving and not him.
(I added Dembélé but I am unsure he fits the description)
you've probably been asked this a million times mr.sipwell but do you think dembele will stay? whats the belgian angle on it?
No Belgian angle as of yet. Dembélé will stay up to the point where he gets a starting position at a 'bigger' club (playing European football & competing for the title).
re that "emotional" thing: His missus said this via twitter:
Joanna Murphy@joannataylormum
@marcgaustin haha that is because I always get emotional seeing the kids with Danny on the pitch as I was told I couldn't have kids.
Joanna Murphy@joannataylormum
@marcgaustin everyone put 2 & 2 together and made 5
I wouldn't read too much into that.
Quote from: sipwell on May 06, 2012, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: fulhamthroughandthrough on May 06, 2012, 06:28:33 PM
Quote from: sipwell on May 06, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
Couldn't it be that "emotional" refers to him having to say goodbye to players alongside whom he played in the last couple of years (such as Dempsey, Dembélé, Etuhu, Baird and others). 'End of an era' kind of way but them leaving and not him.
(I added Dembélé but I am unsure he fits the description)
you've probably been asked this a million times mr.sipwell but do you think dembele will stay? whats the belgian angle on it?
No Belgian angle as of yet. Dembélé will stay up to the point where he gets a starting position at a 'bigger' club (playing European football & competing for the title).
Sorry but how would he know if he's going to start elsewhere?
Pienaar thought he would but look how that turned out.
when I read her tweets yesterday, she said she doesn't know anything more than anyone else does about Danny and Fulham and said they love Fulham. She not to read anything into her comment. I haven't read anything today but I didn't get he would be leaving. I think it may have been what Mr. Fulham mentioned, in that it might be the last he see's of some of the players we have seen around Fulham over the last 4 to 5 seasons.
Journos saying he has been offered reduced terms. I think that's a bit insulting to him, he is still and will continue to be an integral part of the way we play.
Jol seems to have a fairly dismissive attitude to his older players -
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Transfer-gossip-Fulham-not-rushing-to-re-sign-Danny-Murphy-gambling-few-other-clubs-will-want-35-year-old-free-agent-article887006.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Transfer-gossip-Fulham-not-rushing-to-re-sign-Danny-Murphy-gambling-few-other-clubs-will-want-35-year-old-free-agent-article887006.html)
Joanna Murphy@joannataylormum
Danny says he was overwhelmed by the reception he got today, very unexpected & he is still hopeful of sorting out his contract.
Quote from: White Noise on May 06, 2012, 08:33:29 PM
Joanna Murphy@joannataylormum
Danny says he was overwhelmed by the reception he got today, very unexpected & he is still hopeful of sorting out his contract.
sounds ominous but then i am a pessimist.
Quote from: White Noise on May 06, 2012, 08:24:21 PM
Jol seems to have a fairly dismissive attitude to his older players -
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Transfer-gossip-Fulham-not-rushing-to-re-sign-Danny-Murphy-gambling-few-other-clubs-will-want-35-year-old-free-agent-article887006.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Transfer-gossip-Fulham-not-rushing-to-re-sign-Danny-Murphy-gambling-few-other-clubs-will-want-35-year-old-free-agent-article887006.html)
Its in the Mirror and talks up Andy johnson - i certainly wouldn't take a lot of notice of that
Quote from: SG on May 06, 2012, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: White Noise on May 06, 2012, 08:24:21 PM
Jol seems to have a fairly dismissive attitude to his older players -
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Transfer-gossip-Fulham-not-rushing-to-re-sign-Danny-Murphy-gambling-few-other-clubs-will-want-35-year-old-free-agent-article887006.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Transfer-gossip-Fulham-not-rushing-to-re-sign-Danny-Murphy-gambling-few-other-clubs-will-want-35-year-old-free-agent-article887006.html)
Its in the Mirror and talks up Andy johnson - i certainly wouldn't take a lot of notice of that
The article is a month old but these are direct quotes from Jol that I personally think are quite illuminating about the current strategy -
The Dutchman said: "If we had young players with two months left it would be awful, because other clubs could take them.
"We are taking a gamble - I don't think there will be a club offering millions for our older players.
"There is always transfer value for young players, so you have to protect your club. So that is what we did with Frei, for example, and what we are trying to do with Alex."A month later it should be noted that Kaca is a young player with only two months left on his contract and has yet to sign a new one.
I am lead to believe Danny wants a two year contract but Fulham are only offering one year
I love the man to the ends of the world but I dont think he can play at the top level for another two years so will he accept a one year contract. Who would giv him two years at the highet level? I cant see anyone doing that
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 06, 2012, 09:46:18 PM
I am lead to believe Danny wants a two year contract but Fulham are only offering one year
I love the man to the ends of the world but I dont think he can play at the top level for another two years so will he accept a one year contract. Who would giv him two years at the highet level? I cant see anyone doing that
surely sensible, would be 1 year than then goes onto coaching role?
Does he need coaching badges first, has he got them already? I'm not sure how becoming a coach works, can anybody explain?
Quote from: sunburywhite on May 06, 2012, 09:46:18 PM
I am lead to believe Danny wants a two year contract but Fulham are only offering one year
I love the man to the ends of the world but I dont think he can play at the top level for another two years so will he accept a one year contract. Who would giv him two years at the highet level? I cant see anyone doing that
On the face of it that would seem unlikely, given that the last contract he signed was for a year -
http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2011/January/MurphySignsNewDeal.aspx (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2011/January/MurphySignsNewDeal.aspx)
Far more likely surely that Fulham have started to play the Wenger/Arsenal game of when you get to 30 you only get a one year contract and that on much diminished terms with each succeeding contract.
WN what's your gut feeling,Murphy will stay or go?
Quote from: fulhamaustin on May 06, 2012, 08:20:55 PM
Journos saying he has been offered reduced terms. I think that's a bit insulting to him, he is still and will continue to be an integral part of the way we play.
It's by no means an insult to offer him reduced terms. It's the only way I'd keep him.
We are not Chelsea and aren't run by old players like Terry or Lampard and Danny is 35 and reduced terms are the only possibility I'd keep him here. He's less important to the side than he was last season or the season before.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on May 06, 2012, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: fulhamaustin on May 06, 2012, 08:20:55 PM
Journos saying he has been offered reduced terms. I think that's a bit insulting to him, he is still and will continue to be an integral part of the way we play.
It's by no means an insult to offer him reduced terms. It's the only way I'd keep him.
We are not Chelsea and aren't run by old players like Terry or Lampard and Danny is 35 and reduced terms are the only possibility I'd keep him here. He's less important to the side than he was last season or the season before.
There are reduced terms and reduced terms though aren't there. Murphy is club Captain and plays every game when fit and has created by far the most scoring chances of any player in the team this season. That has a value and maybe the club are substantially undervaluing it. No-one likes to be taken for granted.
Quote from: White Noise on May 06, 2012, 11:21:18 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on May 06, 2012, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: fulhamaustin on May 06, 2012, 08:20:55 PM
Journos saying he has been offered reduced terms. I think that's a bit insulting to him, he is still and will continue to be an integral part of the way we play.
It's by no means an insult to offer him reduced terms. It's the only way I'd keep him.
We are not Chelsea and aren't run by old players like Terry or Lampard and Danny is 35 and reduced terms are the only possibility I'd keep him here. He's less important to the side than he was last season or the season before.
There are reduced terms and reduced terms though aren't there. Murphy is club Captain and plays every game when fit and has created by far the most scoring chances of any player in the team this season. That has a value and maybe the club are substantially undervaluing it. No-one likes to be taken for granted.
Key word is maybe. I really rate Mackintosh and we have to look at the facts: By the looks of it, Danny will be a bit-part-player next season. I'm very sure the club know exactly what he's worth. But I don't want to keep him just for the sake of it. Reduced terms are needed and it would be criminal and Chelsea-like to offer him even a pound more than what he deserves.
I want to keep him but it's a good thing that the club are not only offering a contract for the sake of it.
Quote from: Berserker on May 06, 2012, 10:21:04 PM
Does he need coaching badges first, has he got them already? I'm not sure how becoming a coach works, can anybody explain?
I've asked this a few times. I've never heard of him studying for his badges. I know a lot of Arsenal youngsters have done their level 2 but whether they've done more I'm not sure. And whether Fulham put their players through is another matter.
For my level 2 I had to take 9 days off work. It may work a bit differently for a footballer as they are 'at work' anyway but level 3 (Uefa B) is even more time consuming, as are the rest as you go through the qualifications so I'm not sure if Danny would have found the time yet.
Quote from: fulhamthroughandthrough on May 06, 2012, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: White Noise on May 06, 2012, 08:33:29 PM
Joanna Murphy@joannataylormum
Danny says he was overwhelmed by the reception he got today, very unexpected & he is still hopeful of sorting out his contract.
sounds ominous but then i am a pessimist.
That doesn't read remotely ominous to me?
I like her line about it being emotional seeing Danny and their kids.
Quote from: dont stand me down on May 06, 2012, 10:31:43 PM
WN what's your gut feeling,Murphy will stay or go?
If it's of any interest, my feeling is he's very unlikely to leave. He doesn't want to, clearly his wife doesn't either and one would have to assume the club want him to stay. And hopefully move into coaching at some stage.
So if everyone is on the same page why has he not signed and why won't Jol say anything?
Quote from: White Noise on May 07, 2012, 12:14:03 PM
So if everyone is on the same page why has he not signed and why won't Jol say anything?
Don't know - can only assume both parties have other, more pressing calls on their time, like the football season. Hope to goodness I'm not wrong but I'm not remotely concerned about him leaving and don't intend to spend any time worrying about it.
Quote from: White Noise on May 07, 2012, 12:14:03 PM
So if everyone is on the same page why has he not signed and why won't Jol say anything?
Its probably just a negotiation on terms and wages and this point. Players will want to maximize and teams will want to not over pay. Let's hope they are just going back and forth.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on May 06, 2012, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: White Noise on May 06, 2012, 11:21:18 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on May 06, 2012, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: fulhamaustin on May 06, 2012, 08:20:55 PM
Journos saying he has been offered reduced terms. I think that's a bit insulting to him, he is still and will continue to be an integral part of the way we play.
It's by no means an insult to offer him reduced terms. It's the only way I'd keep him.
We are not Chelsea and aren't run by old players like Terry or Lampard and Danny is 35 and reduced terms are the only possibility I'd keep him here. He's less important to the side than he was last season or the season before.
There are reduced terms and reduced terms though aren't there. Murphy is club Captain and plays every game when fit and has created by far the most scoring chances of any player in the team this season. That has a value and maybe the club are substantially undervaluing it. No-one likes to be taken for granted.
Key word is maybe. I really rate Mackintosh and we have to look at the facts: By the looks of it, Danny will be a bit-part-player next season. I'm very sure the club know exactly what he's worth. But I don't want to keep him just for the sake of it. Reduced terms are needed and it would be criminal and Chelsea-like to offer him even a pound more than what he deserves.
I want to keep him but it's a good thing that the club are not only offering a contract for the sake of it.
I'm really with Mr Fulham on this one. I'm a huge fan of Danny, but he will start playing only a supporting role in the near future and it's normal for that to be reflected in the remuneration.
Quote from: cebu on May 07, 2012, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on May 06, 2012, 11:37:54 PM
Quote from: White Noise on May 06, 2012, 11:21:18 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on May 06, 2012, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: fulhamaustin on May 06, 2012, 08:20:55 PM
Journos saying he has been offered reduced terms. I think that's a bit insulting to him, he is still and will continue to be an integral part of the way we play.
It's by no means an insult to offer him reduced terms. It's the only way I'd keep him.
We are not Chelsea and aren't run by old players like Terry or Lampard and Danny is 35 and reduced terms are the only possibility I'd keep him here. He's less important to the side than he was last season or the season before.
There are reduced terms and reduced terms though aren't there. Murphy is club Captain and plays every game when fit and has created by far the most scoring chances of any player in the team this season. That has a value and maybe the club are substantially undervaluing it. No-one likes to be taken for granted.
Key word is maybe. I really rate Mackintosh and we have to look at the facts: By the looks of it, Danny will be a bit-part-player next season. I'm very sure the club know exactly what he's worth. But I don't want to keep him just for the sake of it. Reduced terms are needed and it would be criminal and Chelsea-like to offer him even a pound more than what he deserves.
I want to keep him but it's a good thing that the club are not only offering a contract for the sake of it.
I'm really with Mr Fulham on this one. I'm a huge fan of Danny, but he will start playing only a supporting role in the near future and it's normal for that to be reflected in the remuneration.
Not disagreeing with that but there are degrees of change and I think it would be a shame if a player who has given so much to the club and who Jol has said this season is central to what we do was driven from the club by a derisory offer.
Danny and his family will shortly be moving into a house they're having built in Surrey so presumably they are not looking to leave the area
I really don't see a reason for a derisory offer. It worked out for four years, with four one year deals....why not now?
Quote from: Mr Fulham on May 07, 2012, 07:05:03 PM
I really don't see a reason for a derisory offer. It worked out for four years, with four one year deals....why not now?
New manager. Desire to get average squad age down. I don't know what you read into the the Jol comments in The Mirror piece but to me it suggests that Jol and the club place very little value on the older players, don't see thay anyone else will want them and see contract discussions with them as their lowest priority. He very clearly emphasises the need to concentrate on the young players and their contracts.
Murphy's contracts -
2007 - one year - http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2007/August/MurphyJoins.aspx (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2007/August/MurphyJoins.aspx)
2008 - one year with the option of another - http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2008/June/MurphySignsContract.aspx (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2008/June/MurphySignsContract.aspx)
2009 - 2 year contract - http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2009/August/MurphySignsExtension.aspx (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2009/August/MurphySignsExtension.aspx)
2011 - 1 year contract - http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2011/January/MurphySignsNewDeal.aspx (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2011/January/MurphySignsNewDeal.aspx)
Murphy himself and his wife have said publicly that he wants to stay at Fulham - but he has yet to sign. Given that he has always happily signed short term contracts in the past & is a big part of a successful team why wouldn't he sign one now? I get a sense of negligence and carelessness by the club and assuming that just because he is 35 he will sign whatever contract they put in front of him no matter how ludicrous the terms. Murphy has said in the papers he thinks he has another season or two at the top left in him and, after the season he has just had, who could argue with that. Just because he has bought a new drum in Surrey doesn't mean he can't sign for Reading, Southampton, QPR, Norwich or even Villa.
Danny is still an integral and vital member of our squad. Against Sunderland there were 2 or 3 passes by Danny that nobody in our current squad could have even seen. let alone executed. We need at least another season from Danny. He is our heartbeat, our inspiration and our leader. Pay him what he wants - it will cost millions to replace him, even if we could find someone.
How do we know what the offer is and whether it is derosory? Surely that is speculation because the people that would know this are Danny his agent and the club. So come on tell us how we know it is a derisory offer?
Quote from: White Noise on May 07, 2012, 07:56:24 PM
Just because he has bought a new drum in Surrey doesn't mean he can't sign for Reading, Southampton....
Quite. Trimming the quote there suffices.
`Respect' is an over-used term nowadays, but I too would hope for an offer that shows a bit of that -- reflecting his contribution, and incidentally the fact that we paid no transfer fee, hence have had great value. If we don't, then a Southampton etc will surely butter him up, which may count for at least as much as the financial terms. And Danny's younger than Scholes, as someone is bound to note if we fail to.
