But I really hope Etuhu moves on. He really is one of the worst spatially aware players I've seen play for us in the Premiership. When I think of him, I just see him trotting back to half way line after we have conceded. Can't pass very well, rarely tackles, stares at ball, doesnt shoot, never scores, terrible marker and certainly doesnt dribble past players. Man, he should play for England
I will second that motion.
Etuhu is good if you give him a simple job like Hodgson did. However, when we play football under Jol, it requires players to be more well rounded so it isn't suited to Etuhu. Etuhu can be good if he is used correctly.
all i can picture is that 15 min cameo against norwich in which he took out about 5 of their players and stopped their attacks wave after wave.....to the chorus of "dickson your a c**t etc etc"
classic ethuhu
Quote from: mrpimlico on July 23, 2012, 04:21:00 PM
But I really hope Etuhu moves on. He really is one of the worst spatially aware players I've seen play for us in the Premiership. When I think of him, I just see him trotting back to half way line after we have conceded. Can't pass very well, rarely tackles, stares at ball, doesnt shoot, never scores, terrible marker and certainly doesnt dribble past players. Man, he should play for England
He was integral to the Hodgson era and played exceptionally well within the required role.
Block the centre, force the opposition wide, give the ball to the nearest colleague and act as a third centre back. Never appreciated by some supporters who wanted him to do more but that wasn't part of his instructions.
He gets a lot of very unfair stick.
Going forward he probably never will be a starter under Jol though.
I like having a player who other teams know not to mess with.
Tottenham away at White Hart Lane in the 7th place season - Huddlestone and Etuhu are both running full speed towards a loose ball, both collide and Huddlestone must've been forced back 2 or 3 metres.
A few minutes later, same 2 players are running for the ball, Huddlestone stops running and lets Etuhu get there first. None of the Spurs players had a go... they understood.
I hope he stays, he is the only player in the squad with real muscle and can dig in against physical opposition. With so many lighter and skilful players we need someone like him who does the dirty work.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on July 23, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
I hope he stays, he is the only player in the squad with real muscle and can dig in against physical opposition. With so many lighter and skilful players we need someone like him who does the dirty work.
I agree. There will be times when we need exactly this and we will miss the fact we don't have him in the side. I think we are a tad harsh on him. He has dominated games before for us and if he wants to stay, I would keep him as a tactical substitute and an occasional starter against some sides.
Jol's has the managerial conundrum is keeping squad players who think they should be playing happy for those few occasions that the team needs their specific attributes. In Dickson's case, his physical presence and ability to 'destroy', aka the Norwich cameo.
Maybe Gecov (who in the very little we saw of looked a tidy player) going to Genk today frees up a central mid-field bench warming position
As others have mentioned, Etuhu is useful when played to his strengths. I'd love to see him stick around as a sub who can start against our more physical opponents. Every club has a player that supporters severely undervalue because of prior expectations. Dickson isn't what many of us had hoped for but that doesn't mean he lacks value.
I bow to you guys knowledge and I'm not saying he never does anything good but I don't see it. I'm not sure who this powerhouse is. I mean, he should be. Still, a few of you seem adamant..so I'll go with flow
I'd keep him for blowing up oppo midfielder and team banter, everyone in the squad seems to like him :)
I like him. I know he makes mistakes rather like Senderos but i think both of them have something to offer
His time here has gone. In a Hodgson team where his job was sit-breakup-pass to murphy. That was all well and good, but leave him to think for himself and he dithers and when he's on the halfway line with the ball, and no defender behind him, I fear the worst.
I don't even buy the view he uses his strength, he does not use it enough.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on July 23, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
I hope he stays, he is the only player in the squad with real muscle and can dig in against physical opposition. With so many lighter and skilful players we need someone like him who does the dirty work.
Not so. Diarra is very strong. Better player in every department.
He had a great run of games at one point but then he returned to his normal self. His tackling is ability is surprisingly poor for a defensive player, he is clumsy, very slow to turn, poor at marking, shows poor judgment lunging in time after time, isn't technical enough to fit in Jol's side.
He should leave with his head held high.
I hate these irrational rants people have about players. Sure, I can understand why you might not like him, and yes, i agree he is very limited in some respects- mostly in his creative sense and can also make errors. HOWEVER, to say that he rarely tackles and has poor spacial (positional as far as you meant it) sense is just not true. If he can only do two things, these are them.
It just shows you as either not having much of a knowledge about football or being very irrational- critical of everything a player does if you do not rate him.
Quote from: The Moose on July 23, 2012, 06:34:30 PM
He had a great run of games at one point but then he returned to his normal self. His tackling is ability is surprisingly poor for a defensive player, he is clumsy, very slow to turn, poor at marking, shows poor judgment lunging in time after time, isn't technical enough to fit in Jol's side.
He should leave with his head held high.
Right, so you've just slated absolutely every element of his game ... but it's fine because he can leave with his head held high, right?
let's have it right, etuhu was an automatic starter in what was arguably our most successful ever team (and tbh, the best player in that team was probably bobby z, so i dunno why he also gets so much stck sometimes, now he's left), and etuhu has been a great servant to the club. he's good at what he does and i think even hughes liked him. if he leaves he'll join a team like stoke, start every week and they'll probably finish above us in the table...
...that said he clearly doesn't fit with jol's style of football and ain't got anything on diarra, so i agree, he should do one
(and that definitely isn't a criticism of jol either)
...and may i remind people of (/direct them to) the pre-hamburg video blog on his website which is probably an even better watch than the 09/10 goals of the season vid
http://www.dicksonetuhu.com/ (http://www.dicksonetuhu.com/)
i'll miss him a lot
The best thing he ever did for Fulham was the shot that was going roughly 54 yards wide against Juve that took a deflection off a defender and went in. If he could shoot straight the rest of that European run probably wouldn't have happened :P
Quote from: EtuhuForNigeria on July 23, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
I hate these irrational rants people have about players. Sure, I can understand why you might not like him, and yes, i agree he is very limited in some respects- mostly in his creative sense and can also make errors. HOWEVER, to say that he rarely tackles and has poor spacial (positional as far as you meant it) sense is just not true. If he can only do two things, these are them.
It just shows you as either not having much of a knowledge about football or being very irrational- critical of everything a player does if you do not rate him.
You know, I think that a little unfair. I decided to post about a player, not on today's defeat, when we all sometimes make and always read ridiculous knee jerk posts. I made the point because as sad as it sounds, I've watched him really closely because I can't believe sometimes he plays in the premiership and I watch him to try and work out what I'm missing. I've honestly never been able to work it out. He seems unbelievably ball focused.
As it happens, I'm a level 2 coach and have been coaching for 5 years..been invited many times down to Motspur park to view and learn training techniques in the academy.
Etuhu is not as bad and better to have him than get some unproven player from other leagues yea
Quote from: mrpimlico on July 23, 2012, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: EtuhuForNigeria on July 23, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
I hate these irrational rants people have about players. Sure, I can understand why you might not like him, and yes, i agree he is very limited in some respects- mostly in his creative sense and can also make errors. HOWEVER, to say that he rarely tackles and has poor spacial (positional as far as you meant it) sense is just not true. If he can only do two things, these are them.
It just shows you as either not having much of a knowledge about football or being very irrational- critical of everything a player does if you do not rate him.
You know, I think that a little unfair. I decided to post about a player, not on today's defeat, when we all sometimes make and always read ridiculous knee jerk posts. I made the point because as sad as it sounds, I've watched him really closely because I can't believe sometimes he plays in the premiership and I watch him to try and work out what I'm missing. I've honestly never been able to work it out. He seems unbelievably ball focused.
As it happens, I'm a level 2 coach and have been coaching for 5 years..been invited many times down to Motspur park to view and learn training techniques in the academy.
Shame you didn't go then, you could have spoken to Dickson himself and told him of his shortcomings, he was a player for a role Woy wanted him for and he did us proud l in that role, Hughes changed his role pushing hi forward, still suited his game, Jol with his round and round type of football doesn't suit his style, a football coach should understand that without slagging off his ability as a footballer.
Quote from: epsomraver on July 23, 2012, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: mrpimlico on July 23, 2012, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: EtuhuForNigeria on July 23, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
I did go..many times. It was the academy not first team.
Fanatical fulham fan makes genuine critisism of fulham player, not just after a game, not personally insulting, not knee jerk just a genuine personal feeling of the guys footballing ability based on many hours of watching him play. I just don't think he's much cop. Off the ball, I think he is really very average. Just to level it out, I've also watched many hours of Moussa Dembele and think he is pretty damn good...I also happen to think the skilful, playmaking, crafted and wonderfully talented Dembele is a far better tackler than the strong tackling defensive lynchpin Etuhu.
I hate these irrational rants people have about players. Sure, I can understand why you might not like him, and yes, i agree he is very limited in some respects- mostly in his creative sense and can also make errors. HOWEVER, to say that he rarely tackles and has poor spacial (positional as far as you meant it) sense is just not true. If he can only do two things, these are them.
It just shows you as either not having much of a knowledge about football or being very irrational- critical of everything a player does if you do not rate him.
You know, I think that a little unfair. I decided to post about a player, not on today's defeat, when we all sometimes make and always read ridiculous knee jerk posts. I made the point because as sad as it sounds, I've watched him really closely because I can't believe sometimes he plays in the premiership and I watch him to try and work out what I'm missing. I've honestly never been able to work it out. He seems unbelievably ball focused.
As it happens, I'm a level 2 coach and have been coaching for 5 years..been invited many times down to Motspur park to view and learn training techniques in the academy.
Shame you didn't go then, you could have spoken to Dickson himself and told him of his shortcomings, he was a player for a role Woy wanted him for and he did us proud l in that role, Hughes changed his role pushing hi forward, still suited his game, Jol with his round and round type of football doesn't suit his style, a football coach should understand that without slagging off his ability as a footballer.
Quote from: epsomraver on July 23, 2012, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: mrpimlico on July 23, 2012, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: EtuhuForNigeria on July 23, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
I hate these irrational rants people have about players. Sure, I can understand why you might not like him, and yes, i agree he is very limited in some respects- mostly in his creative sense and can also make errors. HOWEVER, to say that he rarely tackles and has poor spacial (positional as far as you meant it) sense is just not true. If he can only do two things, these are them.
It just shows you as either not having much of a knowledge about football or being very irrational- critical of everything a player does if you do not rate him.
You know, I think that a little unfair. I decided to post about a player, not on today's defeat, when we all sometimes make and always read ridiculous knee jerk posts. I made the point because as sad as it sounds, I've watched him really closely because I can't believe sometimes he plays in the premiership and I watch him to try and work out what I'm missing. I've honestly never been able to work it out. He seems unbelievably ball focused.
As it happens, I'm a level 2 coach and have been coaching for 5 years..been invited many times down to Motspur park to view and learn training techniques in the academy.
Shame you didn't go then, you could have spoken to Dickson himself and told him of his shortcomings, he was a player for a role Woy wanted him for and he did us proud l in that role, Hughes changed his role pushing hi forward, still suited his game, Jol with his round and round type of football doesn't suit his style, a football coach should understand that without slagging off his ability as a footballer.
:plus one:
I think it's unfair to level criticism of a man who is asked to a very particular job and does it well IMO. I understand he's not a player with any of the "Hollywood" skills and doesn't look like a Premier League player on the ball, but as has been mentioned beforehand, he's a large physical presence. Last I checked, despite all the skill players on hand, the EPL is still the most physical top league out there. To have him as that assurance on the bench is an asset. I'm not saying he should play more than he does, because we certainly have more dynamic players in mind for the MF roles, but if we dropped him or offered him a transfer, I feel that many clubs would be knocking at his door gladly.
If he plays within his limitations, he's a solid player to have bossing midfield and chipping in on defence.
I"I genuinely don't like knocking our players......BUT......." was the one word missing from the title that would have explained it all........
BUT...
But me no buts!
Nogood "Shakespeare, isit" Boyo
Quote from: EJL on July 23, 2012, 07:13:58 PM
Quote from: The Moose on July 23, 2012, 06:34:30 PM
He had a great run of games at one point but then he returned to his normal self. His tackling is ability is surprisingly poor for a defensive player, he is clumsy, very slow to turn, poor at marking, shows poor judgment lunging in time after time, isn't technical enough to fit in Jol's side.
He should leave with his head held high.
Right, so you've just slated absolutely every element of his game ... but it's fine because he can leave with his head held high, right?
He can leave knowing he was an instrumental part of our Europa Cup run, not to mention our highest league finish in our history.
Quote from: EJL on July 23, 2012, 10:23:52 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on July 23, 2012, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: mrpimlico on July 23, 2012, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: EtuhuForNigeria on July 23, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
I hate these irrational rants people have about players. Sure, I can understand why you might not like him, and yes, i agree he is very limited in some respects- mostly in his creative sense and can also make errors. HOWEVER, to say that he rarely tackles and has poor spacial (positional as far as you meant it) sense is just not true. If he can only do two things, these are them.
It just shows you as either not having much of a knowledge about football or being very irrational- critical of everything a player does if you do not rate him.
You know, I think that a little unfair. I decided to post about a player, not on today's defeat, when we all sometimes make and always read ridiculous knee jerk posts. I made the point because as sad as it sounds, I've watched him really closely because I can't believe sometimes he plays in the premiership and I watch him to try and work out what I'm missing. I've honestly never been able to work it out. He seems unbelievably ball focused.
As it happens, I'm a level 2 coach and have been coaching for 5 years..been invited many times down to Motspur park to view and learn training techniques in the academy.
Shame you didn't go then, you could have spoken to Dickson himself and told him of his shortcomings, he was a player for a role Woy wanted him for and he did us proud l in that role, Hughes changed his role pushing hi forward, still suited his game, Jol with his round and round type of football doesn't suit his style, a football coach should understand that without slagging off his ability as a footballer.
:plus one:
Unfortunately that is one of the shortcomings of the English football system. If a player doesn't perform under a certain system they tend to be completely disregarded, even if he has potential whether it be in the future or under a different system or role.
A very good reply though epsomraver, you hit the nail on the head.
I close my eyes and fervently pray for the day that Dickson Etuhu is our least skillful and least useful midfielder.
Over the last two or three seasons we've seen article after article that shows that every negative aspect of his game is NOT borne out by statistics. If all our players played to their abilities to the degree Etuhu has, we'd be a solid 6th or 7th place club every year.
Dickson is limited talent-wise, but so is every other player on our books. Of course, since I also hate slagging off our players, I seldom start a thread designed to do just that.
Well you know, sometimes you need a big, strong nigerian from peckham to get in there and sort things out. Etuhu must stay.
I don't see the point in wanting him to leave. What would it achieve, especially with Gecov now departed as well?
Yes, he can't pass more than a simple ball, but as others have mentioned, that's not his role. He is best at breaking up play and we don't really have anyone else that can do the job. I'm not saying he's in the first XI, but he still has a role in the squad when we need to relieve the pressure.
Plus, who is going to remind us what the score is?
Quote from: Herbie on July 24, 2012, 07:23:59 AM
Plus, who is going to remind us what the score is?
With a team full of Dicksons at their best it's always 0-0.
Quote from: Herbie on July 24, 2012, 07:23:59 AM
Yes, he can't pass more than a simple ball, but as others have mentioned, that's not his role. He is best at breaking up play and we don't really have anyone else that can do the job.
There was a period when Baird seemed a candidate for that (and with superior passing) but maybe that has passed, in which case point taken, unless Reo-Coker were to arrive. In order for that to happen, Dickson would probably need to leave first and why should he? I'm also in the `keep unless better turns up' camp.
It's quite encouraging that so much sense is talked about Dickson on this thread. I'm with Michael Jackson on this. I never thought I'd say that.
I see the original poster has closed his account. Genuinely doesn't like knocking our own players (but...) and equally genuinely can't take being knocked himself, it appears. Or am I being harsh here?
I'm with the "Dickson is very good at what he does" camp, and if he does move on I will miss him.
:group hug:
It's worth keeping Etuhu on the books simply for when we play Stoke!
He's very good at what he does, and has often been (especially under Hodgson) an unsung hero. Play him to his strengths and he shines, don't (just like any other player) and he won't - it's not rocket science.
Original poster's gone? If you can't handle it, don't dish it maybe.
Nogood "good for Etuhu I say, isit" Boyo
Blimey this thread has caused as much angst as it did the last time Etuhu was 'discussed' at length. No other player splits the board quite as much so can we not just call it a draw, close it and move on.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on July 24, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
Blimey this thread has caused as much angst as it did the last time Etuhu was 'discussed' at length. No other player splits the board quite as much so can we not just call it a draw, close it and move on.
im just glad Gary Brazil is not playing for us..this board would explode.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on July 24, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
can we not just call it a draw, close it and move on.
That's the Etuhu way.
Not sure we have found the right part for Etuhu to play. His coming on to bolster up the defence role never works for me. But when he plays the wander forward and cause problems role he can be very effective.
Sadly for some reason our managers have decided to nearly always use him as a dull defensive,short pass that gets intercepted, give away free kick role. So I am not a fan of that and moan when he comes on. So Jol give him a chance to shine.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on July 24, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
Blimey this thread has caused as much angst as it did the last time Etuhu was 'discussed' at length. No other player splits the board quite as much so can we not just call it a draw, close it and move on.
try discussing Senderos then
Quote from: Herbie on July 24, 2012, 07:23:59 AM
Plus, who is going to remind us what the score is?
Is that one of the greatest Fulham moments -- especially the look on his face -- or am I dreaming? Wonderful memory.
I never saw that, HD. What did he do?
Nogood "not knowing these things, isit" Boyo
Quote from: epsomraver on July 24, 2012, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on July 24, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
Blimey this thread has caused as much angst as it did the last time Etuhu was 'discussed' at length. No other player splits the board quite as much so can we not just call it a draw, close it and move on.
try discussing Senderos then
point taken. I'm off to put sand bags round my shed.
Good point MJG. I guess there will be a full first team of players that would lead to this board imploding.
Mr shed only 4ft * 4ft and full of monster size spiders so not much point sand bagging it
Quote from: Berserker on July 24, 2012, 11:07:15 PM
Mr shed only 4ft * 4ft and full of monster size spiders so not much point sand bagging it
I can't go into the shed to collect the weed cutting thingy and saw tools because the spiders are hanging on to them and will not let them go. They are big this year.
Quote from: b+w geezer on July 24, 2012, 07:47:14 AM
Quote from: Herbie on July 24, 2012, 07:23:59 AM
Yes, he can't pass more than a simple ball, but as others have mentioned, that's not his role. He is best at breaking up play and we don't really have anyone else that can do the job.
There was a period when Baird seemed a candidate for that (and with superior passing) but maybe that has passed, in which case point taken, unless Reo-Coker were to arrive. In order for that to happen, Dickson would probably need to leave first and why should he? I'm also in the `keep unless better turns up' camp.
Wasn't it against N'castle when Baird came on in midfield and changed the game? I call him 'The Enforcer' after that match :008:
I do find it intriguing how so many people have the rose tinted spectacles on for a player who is still employed by the club. If it was someone who had just left or departed a few years ago then that's understandable, but this is a new one.
Quote from: Mr_Moon on July 25, 2012, 12:42:27 AM
I do find it intriguing how so many people have the rose tinted spectacles on for a player who is still employed by the club. If it was someone who had just left or departed a few years ago then that's understandable, but this is a new one.
I do have rose colored spectacles for your avatar, but that's been said before, so I digress......... 082.gif
Oh, and Etuhu should still be the ankle-breaker for the club (or something close to that) as there's nobody else for the role.
He is Fulham's "Mr Marmite" by the looks of it.
Just for the record, I like him and believe that in certain set ups (when we need a robust, defensive midfield set-up) he has a role to play and does make valuable contributions. These set ups I guess are going to be less prevalent now than they were under Roy and Mr Ambition, but there will still be cause for this at times during the season so whilst not a shoe-in starter certainly someone useful to have in the squad.
This is a player who was a mainstay of the team that for the first time in our history, got to a European final. He has his limits but the readiness of a lot of supporters to proclaim him as a crap player amazes me.
In the right system and against the right team he is very effective, particularly when we are defending deep. His passing isn't top drawer but that's why he was always paired with Murphy, but last season he wasn't playing much and wasn't very sharp when he came on.
Most successful teams have a player of his type. Think Bracewell, Hurlock, Cockerill, Lewington, Hoddy, etc etc etc.
Ok I included Hoddy for comic effect...
last stats i checked etuhu had the 3rd highest pass complete percentage of all fulham players last season (that was mid season but still a stat to note). he doesn't create, that's not revolutionary, but he doesnt give the ball away either.
Mr Pimlico .............If you are watching don't go to Chelsea, sign back in man....or woman !!!.
The delicious joy of football is you can dislike a player or a manager for no good reason, or your very own really good reasons, what is the point otherwise ?????
I never liked Jimmy Bullard ( the tit) from the day he joined, Andy Johnson was a very expensive Tomasz Radzinski, I really wanted Marlet to do well and loved Aleksey Gennadyevich Smertin.
Leggy was never my favorite player, but Goma was the light on my landing...................IMO, as long as he was at the club we would do well. As for Senderos ............... he is a well made fake designer handbag ( looks bloody marvelous at a distance but up close the stitching is poor) ................. 064.gif Queue Billy, The Santa Puller
It was probably the timing of your post nothing more nothing less
