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Title: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: ffcfulham on August 20, 2012, 01:54:13 AM
Rumours that Fulham have made a £7 million bid for Rhodes

do we want him ???

do we need him ???

can he do it at prem level ????

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Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Walsh on August 20, 2012, 02:19:58 AM
I doubted him a few weeks ago, but I have watched some footage and I think he might be a good signing but for 7 Million is a risk.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: EJL on August 20, 2012, 02:30:21 AM
7 million? Jheeze ...
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: HatterDon on August 20, 2012, 03:23:25 AM
get him in. We are as thin as tissue paper at the striker position.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: nevzter on August 20, 2012, 03:25:44 AM
7 bones?  Seems a bit steep, but Fulham is thread bare at striker.  Don't need to pay through the nose though for a Championship striker...
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Peabody on August 20, 2012, 04:26:17 AM
I do wish people would take some time to watch players before they make judgement on their abilities. I have never seen him, except for the goal he scored for Scotland the other night, which was quite tidy. Just remember that some really good strikers have been picked up from the lower leagues, Southamptons Ricky Lambert springs to mind. Why am I up so late? because its too bloody hot to sleep.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: theotherdembele on August 20, 2012, 04:55:28 AM
I reckon he would be a quality signing, its a gamble but one that could certainly pay off. Also sadly this is the price you now have to pay for quality players and the fact he's british probably doubles his value. If you compare him to rodriquez who southampton bought for 7million this summer, rhodes has scored far more goals in the last 3 seasons and is one year younger although in league one.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: mccscratch on August 20, 2012, 05:04:03 AM
I think 7 is a little too steep... if you said 4-5 ok fine... decent enough young squad player who could cut his prem level teeth with us.

W just have a below average track record of signing strikers from lower divisions and not getting enough top line performance out of them... some goals here and there but never an been answer to the problem...

Kamara, Healy (though think we only paid 2 or 3 for him), Helguson, Kuqi etc...

Rhodes has a nice nose for goal and I appreciate a guy that does not have to do it all with pace in the lower levels but not sure how well his hold up play would be or if that is even the style we will incorporate going forward.

Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: elgreenio on August 20, 2012, 06:25:00 AM
Rhodes isn't really a target man is he? Jol seemed to be hinting we'd be after more of a Zamora/Pog type striker in the post match interview

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Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Berserker on August 20, 2012, 08:15:26 AM
Maybe it will be Rhodes plus a target man. I'd go for him, 7m seems alot but it seems the price we have to pay
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: itombomb on August 20, 2012, 08:24:04 AM
7 mill is a lot, but when you consider that we could easily sell him back for a decent whack to the first football league club with new investment, it isn't that much of a risk.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: alexbishop on August 20, 2012, 09:01:02 AM
It wouldn't be 7m cash. Imagine it would be 5m with add ons up to 7m depending on performance etc.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: FFC1987 on August 20, 2012, 09:07:55 AM
Seen the guy at Ipswich when he started, hes got potential but hes far from a 7m finished article. Would love him at a cut price but a guy unproven in even the championship, I'd have to say I think Jol could get 1-2 gems in the Dutch market for that. I think Jol is wetting his lips with the prospect but the price will mean no deal.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: MasterHaynes on August 20, 2012, 09:08:46 AM
At that price I would prefer Chamakh who can hit the ground running and has a point to prove
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Whitewash on August 20, 2012, 09:12:05 AM
Quote from: elgreenio on August 20, 2012, 06:25:00 AM
Rhodes isn't really a target man is he? Jol seemed to be hinting we'd be after more of a Zamora/Pog type striker in the post match interview

Rhodes is not as much of a target man as Zamora, but he is as - if not more -capable than Pog of holding the ball up. He is quite a complete forward - can come short to protect the ball, can run in behind, can score with both feet and his head. He makes the diagonal near-post runs that nobody seems to make anymore. Great player and instinctive finisher.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: FFC1987 on August 20, 2012, 09:12:26 AM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 20, 2012, 09:08:46 AM
At that price I would prefer Chamakh who can hit the ground running and has a point to prove

You would be happy spending 7m on Chamakh? Oh god, please don't.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Whitewash on August 20, 2012, 09:18:37 AM
You would be happy spending 7m on Chamakh? Oh god, please don't.
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+1. 7m is high for both, but chamakh is at his peak and is simply not worth 7m, whereas Rhodes has huge potential and could be worth double that in the future.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on August 20, 2012, 09:18:56 AM
I am extremely sceptical of buying players from lower leagues for big money. I cant think of many players from the lower leagues who were bought for £7m and flourished. The best lower league purchases are bought for less money (£1-3m). To put this in context - We nearly got Lucas Barrios for £8m!

He is no doubt talented, but we would be paying big money (for Fulham) for a player completely untested above League 1.

That said, I doubt we are offering that much, and if he does come, it will be heavily weighted on performance.

Title: Re: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: MJG on August 20, 2012, 09:24:56 AM
Been saying all summer get Rhodes. 5M plus extras would be my offer and if he fails we would get at least half back from a championship side, someone like west ham or QPR when they go down again.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: FFC1987 on August 20, 2012, 09:37:20 AM
I can see your point, pay like 7m and have potential sell back value if hes not quite up to it for like 3 giving you a net loss of say 4m. Flip side, he does well and pays for himself or blossoms to greater sell on value. Thats the economic view. Football view is if hes genuinely worth 7m and people see him this way, why haven't offers been floodng in? Everyone wants him at a cut price because hes unproven at championship level but shows potential. If I'm spending 7m I want a finished article or someone with a reputation in a tougher league.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: theotherdembele on August 20, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 20, 2012, 09:08:46 AM
At that price I would prefer Chamakh who can hit the ground running and has a point to prove

7million for chamakh, i wouldnt even want him in on loan. He's 28 years old and has scored 12 goals in 63 games at arsenal who create twice as many chances as us in a game, rhodes is young 22 has decent pace and at 6ft 2 is physically capable of competing in the pl and giving us something we dont have at the moment he also definitely knows where the back of the net is.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Lighthouse on August 20, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
No transfer be it for a 14 year old for 25 quid or 20 million quid for a 50 goal a season player is guaranteed to work. Rhodes may or may not work. May or my not do well. But with many Prem sides short of forwards, Fulham and Jol are the sort of club and manager to get the best out of a lower league player.

Rumour that we have agreed terms with him.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: TonyGilroy on August 20, 2012, 10:03:15 AM

I'd like Rhodes but partly because a friend is a Huddersfield supporter.

We were having the same discussion 10 years ago over Jonathan Stead and we both agreed that he was a reincarnation of Allan Clarke. Turned out to be Frank Clarke as it happens.

Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: jelmo on August 20, 2012, 10:06:31 AM
Where is the source for this by the way? Please dont let it be tweeter!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: MJG on August 20, 2012, 10:08:28 AM
Quote from: jelmo on August 20, 2012, 10:06:31 AM
Where is the source for this by the way? Please dont let it be tweeter!
your wish is granted, its one of the @ITK agents. Or as I call them mischief making 14 year olds.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Matt Inglis on August 20, 2012, 10:15:30 AM
We could get someone much better for 7m.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Whitewash on August 20, 2012, 10:21:27 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 20, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Rumour that we have agreed terms with him.

Where is this rumour?
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: AlFayedsChequebook on August 20, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: Whitewash on August 20, 2012, 10:21:27 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 20, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Rumour that we have agreed terms with him.

Where is this rumour?

Twitter  :dead horse:
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: jelmo on August 20, 2012, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 20, 2012, 10:08:28 AM
Quote from: jelmo on August 20, 2012, 10:06:31 AM
Where is the source for this by the way? Please dont let it be tweeter!
your wish is granted, its one of the @ITK agents. Or as I call them mischief making 14 year olds.

Ah, well that changes everything. Welcome to the club Jordan!
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: FulhamMic on August 20, 2012, 11:15:27 AM
No, no and no!

We can get much better for £7m

Kamara, Nugent, Stead, Healy! And the list goes on of players who have torn up the lower leagues only to fail miserably in the PL.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: FulhamMic on August 20, 2012, 11:15:27 AM
No, no and no!

We can get much better for £7m

Kamara, Nugent, Stead, Healy! And the list goes on of players who have torn up the lower leagues only to fail miserably in the PL.

Lambert, Holt, Doyle, Long, Graham, Victor Moses.


I fully trust in Jol and our scouting department. If they think he's worth that money then he most likely is.

By the way, who do you think is 'much better' and available for 7m?
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Lighthouse on August 20, 2012, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on August 20, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: Whitewash on August 20, 2012, 10:21:27 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 20, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Rumour that we have agreed terms with him.

Where is this rumour?

Twitter  :dead horse:

If it had been a newspaper or a player or God I would have namechecked the source. But like it or not in this Computer World we live in, rumours will nearly all come from 14 year olds who spend time on the computer. But they often pick it up from other sources. You risk being hit by a punch if you ignore who is throwing it.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: General on August 20, 2012, 11:35:18 AM
With the opportunities that the players behind him take and the ability and confidence of this guy to score goals I have no doubt he'll score goals for us and he's most importantly young.

Kasami, Stockdale, Kacaniklic, Frei, Mesca, Briggs etc along with Rhodes would be the begining , in my opinion could be the begining of something very revoloutionary at Fulham.

Bring in Burns and a few other top young players under the tutelage of the players we have at the moment like Petric, Diarra, Hangeland and we could be having a great priviliege in watching something special develop.

The comparisons have been made so fingers crossed and watch carefully.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 20, 2012, 11:35:18 AM


Kasami, Stockdale, Kacaniklic, Frei, Mesca, Briggs etc along with Rhodes would be the begining , in my opinion could be the begining of something very revoloutionary at Fulham.

Stockdale?
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: SKSW6 on August 20, 2012, 11:42:52 AM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 20, 2012, 11:35:18 AM


Kasami, Stockdale, Kacaniklic, Frei, Mesca, Briggs etc along with Rhodes would be the begining , in my opinion could be the begining of something very revoloutionary at Fulham.

Stockdale?

He's a keeper so I reckon you can knock 3 years off for his equivalent outfield player age, so at that age he's still pretty young.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: BlaWhiArmyyyyyy on August 20, 2012, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: FulhamMic on August 20, 2012, 11:15:27 AM
No, no and no!

We can get much better for £7m

Kamara, Nugent, Stead, Healy! And the list goes on of players who have torn up the lower leagues only to fail miserably in the PL.

Lambert, Holt, Doyle, Long, Graham, Victor Moses.


I fully trust in Jol and our scouting department. If they think he's worth that money then he most likely is.

By the way, who do you think is 'much better' and available for 7m?

Gary Hooper is apparently avaliable for 8mil...id rather we paid the extra 1 mil for him!
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Lighthouse on August 20, 2012, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: SKSW6 on August 20, 2012, 11:42:52 AM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 20, 2012, 11:35:18 AM


Kasami, Stockdale, Kacaniklic, Frei, Mesca, Briggs etc along with Rhodes would be the begining , in my opinion could be the begining of something very revoloutionary at Fulham.

Stockdale?

He's a keeper so I reckon you can knock 3 years off for his equivalent outfield player age, so at that age he's still pretty young.


Keeper years are like dog years.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 12:03:05 PM
Quote from: BlaWhiArmyyyyyy on August 20, 2012, 11:43:48 AM

Gary Hooper is apparently avaliable for 8mil...id rather we paid the extra 1 mil for him!
I don't see the difference between League One and the SPL.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: FFC1987 on August 20, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 12:03:05 PM
Quote from: BlaWhiArmyyyyyy on August 20, 2012, 11:43:48 AM

Gary Hooper is apparently avaliable for 8mil...id rather we paid the extra 1 mil for him!
I don't see the difference between League One and the SPL.
Agree with this. I'm glad Jol is in charge as I've heard Cooper for 8m and 7m for Chamakh. Wouldn't turn my nose up at either if the price and wages were low enough but lets face it, its not ideal.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: FulhamMic on August 20, 2012, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 11:28:27 AM
Lambert, Holt, Doyle, Long, Graham, Victor Moses.

By the way, who do you think is 'much better' and available for 7m?

Whilst I'm no scout, manager or agent, given we paid £2.5m for Dempsey and around £5m for Dembele and considering Everton just paid £5m for Mirallas I would argue £7m could be invested in better than Rhodes.

Lambert has scored a single goal in the P/L; Doyle hasn't broke into double figures for Wolves in the last three years, scoring only 4 in 34 last season; Moses only cost £2.5 and whilst is probably the best prospect out those you listed, he's hardly set the world alight at the DW, scoring 8 in 73!
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: TonyGilroy on August 20, 2012, 12:49:33 PM

The club are obviously looking to get in the best players at the best value.

They must find it enormously helpful when people on here simply assert that a potential fee for a player we may or may not want is too much and condescendingly inform them of what the "true" value should be.

It's a market filled with sharks and we have to do the best we can. The squad is light a few players as Jol candidly admits so presumably there will be a few arrivals but inevitably they'll be considered too cheap to be any good or too expensive to be worth their fee.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: jarv on August 20, 2012, 12:50:36 PM
As someone said, who is better for 7m? (silly money these days). Victor Moses, fast, good dribbler with an eye for the roof of the stand.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: jarv on August 20, 2012, 12:50:36 PM
As someone said, who is better for 7m? (silly money these days). Victor Moses, fast, good dribbler with an eye for the roof of the stand.

I should've said 'realistic' option.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Bassey the warrior on August 20, 2012, 01:00:39 PM
If that is the fee I should expect about £3 million or so to be performance based.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: MasterHaynes on August 20, 2012, 01:51:14 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 20, 2012, 09:12:26 AM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 20, 2012, 09:08:46 AM
At that price I would prefer Chamakh who can hit the ground running and has a point to prove
You would be happy spending 7m on Chamakh? Oh god, please don't.

I would hope we could get him for 4-5m , but I would rather spend 7m on Chamakh than 7m on Rhodes.
Chamakh was top scorer in France, Wenger waited a whole season to sign him and when he started at Arsenal everyone was saying he was quaslity, he missed a few chnaces , crowd got on his back and was put on the bench. He could be another player we buy cheaply because of current form that Fulham would revitalise.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: FFC1987 on August 20, 2012, 01:56:28 PM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 20, 2012, 01:51:14 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 20, 2012, 09:12:26 AM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 20, 2012, 09:08:46 AM
At that price I would prefer Chamakh who can hit the ground running and has a point to prove
You would be happy spending 7m on Chamakh? Oh god, please don't.

I would hope we could get him for 4-5m , but I would rather spend 7m on Chamakh than 7m on Rhodes.
Chamakh was top scorer in France, Wenger waited a whole season to sign him and when he started at Arsenal everyone was saying he was quaslity, he missed a few chnaces , crowd got on his back and was put on the bench. He could be another player we buy cheaply because of current form that Fulham would revitalise.


I don't think anyone would argue if he was cheap and had low wages.
Title: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: Rhys Lightning 63 on August 20, 2012, 02:18:36 PM
According to reports on Twitter (not the most reliable source, but hey ho)

Apparently we've agreed a fee for Dempsey as well also

It's all change now
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED
Post by: mickybrown100 on August 20, 2012, 02:23:28 PM
Source?
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED
Post by: horse1031 on August 20, 2012, 02:29:14 PM
any idea where Clint is supposed to be going?
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED
Post by: Matt_Keen on August 20, 2012, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: horse1031 on August 20, 2012, 02:29:14 PM
any idea where Clint is supposed to be going?

Liverpool, according to Agent NCP on twitter we're meant to have agreed deals with Liverpool and Huddersfield. I don't personally follow Agent NCP, but I've seen mixed things, some people rave about him, others say he's useless.

Will have to wait this one out I think?
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED
Post by: jelmo on August 20, 2012, 02:31:39 PM
Looks like its just the same old innacurate Tweeter rubbish.
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: SKSW6 on August 20, 2012, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Matt_Keen on August 20, 2012, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: horse1031 on August 20, 2012, 02:29:14 PM
any idea where Clint is supposed to be going?

Liverpool, according to Agent NCP on twitter we're meant to have agreed deals with Liverpool and Huddersfield. I don't personally follow Agent NCP, but I've seen mixed things, some people rave about him, others say he's useless.

Will have to wait this one out I think?

He's one of the worst. He's got just about everything wrong so far this window.
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: ElissonSnygg on August 20, 2012, 02:47:39 PM
We already have a thread about this twitter rumour.
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: Matt Inglis on August 20, 2012, 02:50:41 PM
Quote from: Matt_Keen on August 20, 2012, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: horse1031 on August 20, 2012, 02:29:14 PM
any idea where Clint is supposed to be going?

Liverpool, according to Agent NCP on twitter we're meant to have agreed deals with Liverpool and Huddersfield. I don't personally follow Agent NCP, but I've seen mixed things, some people rave about him, others say he's useless.

Will have to wait this one out I think?
He's actually okay but only because the things he posts are very obvious.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: ElissonSnygg on August 20, 2012, 02:51:43 PM
Fee is £5.5m + 2m in add on's according to some posts on twitter. Will be announced on thursday. Let's see if it's true.
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: AllyWhite on August 20, 2012, 02:52:23 PM
According to Agent_NCP from twitter, Fulham have agreed fee for Rhodes, and are beating other PL teams to loan signing of............. Tom Huddlestone. I don't mind that TBH
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Walsh on August 20, 2012, 02:53:33 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 11:28:27 AM

By the way, who do you think is 'much better' and available for 7m?

Somebody put a bid in for Fernando Llorente (who handed in his transfer request) they put a 6m (euro's) bid in for him but he didn't want to join them, unlikely that he'd want to join us but he would be an insane signing even if we had to spend 12m I think he'd be a class catch.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on August 20, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
supposing we did sign Rhodes, what would be a reasonable expectation for his progression to the first team?

he will not be thrown immediately into the fire, certainly. will he play with the dev squad and evaluated and then a decision made? would we loan him to a Champs side for the first half of the season and then re-evaluate? Curious to hear thoughts, since we don't often spend like this on lower league talent.

will Jordan play in the PL before Sparky departs???  :005:
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: Mr Itchy on August 20, 2012, 03:03:11 PM
According to Agent_ITK Rhodes is off to Blackburn and Huddlestone is a target for Man U, Chelsea, Villa & Fulham..
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 03:07:23 PM
According to Agent_WTF Jordan Rhodes will sign for Manchester United and Clint Dempsey has agreed a new seven-year-deal with Fulham
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: DevonFFC on August 20, 2012, 03:08:09 PM
Quote from: AllyWhite on August 20, 2012, 02:52:23 PM
According to Agent_NCP from twitter, Fulham have agreed fee for Rhodes, and are beating other PL teams to loan signing of............. Tom Huddlestone. I don't mind that TBH

Bloody brilliant if true, very much strengthening out team throughout
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 03:11:23 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 20, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
supposing we did sign Rhodes, what would be a reasonable expectation for his progression to the first team?

he will not be thrown immediately into the fire, certainly. will he play with the dev squad and evaluated and then a decision made? would we loan him to a Champs side for the first half of the season and then re-evaluate? Curious to hear thoughts, since we don't often spend like this on lower league talent.

will Jordan play in the PL before Sparky departs???  :005:

certainly not in the dev squad...
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: FFC1987 on August 20, 2012, 03:11:26 PM
Fulham Bob‏@Bobharper1992

CONFIRMATION: Jordan Rhodes to Fulham FC is a done deal. Fee is £5.5m + 2m in add on's. To be confirmed by Thursday #FFC #huddersfield #brfc

Thats the latest I saw and he said it was from a statement he enquired with, not on twitter ITK etc.

Ill just wait till FFC say anything.
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: TheDaddy on August 20, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 03:07:23 PM
According to Agent_WTF Jordan Rhodes will sign for Manchester United and Clint Dempsey has agreed a new seven-year-deal with Fulham
:54: Thanks MrF needed a giggle
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on August 20, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 03:11:23 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 20, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
supposing we did sign Rhodes, what would be a reasonable expectation for his progression to the first team?

he will not be thrown immediately into the fire, certainly. will he play with the dev squad and evaluated and then a decision made? would we loan him to a Champs side for the first half of the season and then re-evaluate? Curious to hear thoughts, since we don't often spend like this on lower league talent.

will Jordan play in the PL before Sparky departs???  :005:

certainly not in the dev squad...

Thought we were calling our reserves "development squad" now. Are you saying that my understanding is incorrect? Or are you saying that Rhodes wouldn't be up to that level? Hopefully, we're not spending the kind of money being spoken about on a player who couldn't fit with our reserves.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: alexbishop on August 20, 2012, 03:27:38 PM
Dev squad is now u21s but you don't have to be u21 to play in it ironically.

Rhodes wouldn't play in that team unless it were to get his match fitness levels up. I imagine he would be used as an impact sub if we needed goals or in league cup games against smaller teams.
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: theo on August 20, 2012, 03:42:28 PM
What a lot of people seem to fail to grasp is that half these people just put together agent and some random letters/numbers or Sportsnews_247/transferNewsITK, and get retweeted like crazy.

They tend to get pretty much everything wrong, but will luck out every now and then and it gets used as proof that they are the real deal.

It's pretty much like saying "My neighbours dog barked 5 times in the night, that's a sure fire sign that we will sign Rhodes for 5 million".
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 03:43:23 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on August 20, 2012, 03:27:38 PM
Dev squad is now u21s but you don't have to be u21 to play in it ironically.

Rhodes wouldn't play in that team unless it were to get his match fitness levels up. I imagine he would be used as an impact sub if we needed goals or in league cup games against smaller teams.
That's about right IMHO
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 20, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 20, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
supposing we did sign Rhodes, what would be a reasonable expectation for his progression to the first team?

he will not be thrown immediately into the fire, certainly. will he play with the dev squad and evaluated and then a decision made? would we loan him to a Champs side for the first half of the season and then re-evaluate? Curious to hear thoughts, since we don't often spend like this on lower league talent.

will Jordan play in the PL before Sparky departs???  :005:


Why would we pay several million, maybe £4-5m + add ons, for someone who is not ready to play for the first team? Yes, he will probably have games with the development squad but would I expect him to be on the bench very soon if not immediately.
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: FFC1987 on August 20, 2012, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: theo on August 20, 2012, 03:42:28 PM
What a lot of people seem to fail to grasp is that half these people just put together agent and some random letters/numbers or Sportsnews_247/transferNewsITK, and get retweeted like crazy.

They tend to get pretty much everything wrong, but will luck out every now and then and it gets used as proof that they are the real deal.

It's pretty much like saying "My neighbours dog barked 5 times in the night, that's a sure fire sign that we will sign Rhodes for 5 million".

Thats enough evidence for me, I'm getting rhodes printed on my shirt!
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: ClarksOriginal on August 20, 2012, 03:47:47 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 20, 2012, 03:07:23 PM
According to Agent_WTF Jordan Rhodes will sign for Manchester United and Clint Dempsey has agreed a new seven-year-deal with Fulham

Heard he's really reliable too.... good scoop Mr. F
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: alexbishop on August 20, 2012, 03:51:43 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 20, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 20, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
supposing we did sign Rhodes, what would be a reasonable expectation for his progression to the first team?

he will not be thrown immediately into the fire, certainly. will he play with the dev squad and evaluated and then a decision made? would we loan him to a Champs side for the first half of the season and then re-evaluate? Curious to hear thoughts, since we don't often spend like this on lower league talent.

will Jordan play in the PL before Sparky departs???  :005:


Why would we pay several million, maybe £4-5m + add ons, for someone who is not ready to play for the first team? Yes, he will probably have games with the development squad but would I expect him to be on the bench very soon if not immediately.
Because if he fulfills his potential he could be a 15m pound striker in a couple of years time bagging us 20goals a season. It's a risk the club would take and if they pay 7m for him they obviously think the chances are pretty good he'll succeed.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on August 20, 2012, 03:56:49 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 20, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 20, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
supposing we did sign Rhodes, what would be a reasonable expectation for his progression to the first team?

he will not be thrown immediately into the fire, certainly. will he play with the dev squad and evaluated and then a decision made? would we loan him to a Champs side for the first half of the season and then re-evaluate? Curious to hear thoughts, since we don't often spend like this on lower league talent.

will Jordan play in the PL before Sparky departs???  :005:


Why would we pay several million, maybe £4-5m + add ons, for someone who is not ready to play for the first team? Yes, he will probably have games with the development squad but would I expect him to be on the bench very soon if not immediately.

The fact of the matter is that you never know until you put him on the field. He could fly or flop, but you give him the best opportunity possible to succeed and build confidence. He's making a huge leap.

Otherwise, exactly what Apprentice said.
Title: Re: Fee with Jordan Rhodes - AGREED?
Post by: LRCN on August 20, 2012, 04:08:28 PM
merging this with the other rhodes topic
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: topcat47 on August 20, 2012, 04:34:52 PM
Hey, I'm a Huddersfield fan, came on here to see if there was any substantial evidence to the claims tweeted earlier today and i'm glad to see it probably isn't guna turn out true.
After the play off final our Chairman Dean Hoyle stated Rhodes to be worth at least £8mil to us and "not a penny less", when you factor that up with Rhodes being happy at the club and the fact we are lucky enough to be financially secure, then unless a stupid bid comes in he's staying. In other circumstances and i'd say he'd realistically go for 3-4mil. But you never can tell with football, ManU have payed 6mil for an 18yr old who's scored 16 goals in league two... no matter how good he could turn out, thats a big risk.
In term of playing in the Prem i think JR would do OK, he can score with both feet and his head, has fantastic movement and positioning (much improved over the last 2 years), and although he isn't the quickest he can move when he wants. With a midfield supplying the balls he should be good for 15-20/season.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: Lighthouse on August 20, 2012, 04:56:40 PM
Hi Topcat and welcome. The Rhodes to Fulham and Blackburn and a few other places has been around for some time hasn't it and so we will get this until the end of the window. Would think he could do well here as the full burden of the side and indeed the press wouldn't fall on him here so much.

But if he does leave Huddersfield then Fulham will be a good place to try and prove himself in the Prem. We haven't a Rhodes type atm and so he would not be battling a player who is similar.

Good luck to him and Huddersfield whatever happens.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: fulhamben on August 20, 2012, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: topcat47 on August 20, 2012, 04:34:52 PM
Hey, I'm a Huddersfield fan, came on here to see if there was any substantial evidence to the claims tweeted earlier today and i'm glad to see it probably isn't guna turn out true.
After the play off final our Chairman Dean Hoyle stated Rhodes to be worth at least £8mil to us and "not a penny less", when you factor that up with Rhodes being happy at the club and the fact we are lucky enough to be financially secure, then unless a stupid bid comes in he's staying. In other circumstances and i'd say he'd realistically go for 3-4mil. But you never can tell with football, ManU have payed 6mil for an 18yr old who's scored 16 goals in league two... no matter how good he could turn out, thats a big risk.
In term of playing in the Prem i think JR would do OK, he can score with both feet and his head, has fantastic movement and positioning (much improved over the last 2 years), and although he isn't the quickest he can move when he wants. With a midfield supplying the balls he should be good for 15-20/season.
hi tc. have only seen him play in the play off final, and to be honnest was very underwhelmed. did he have an off day, or was this par for the course?
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: topcat47 on August 20, 2012, 07:21:38 PM
Hey Ben, that game was pretty disgraceful in terms of attacking in all ways to be fair!
Shef Utd defended very well against him, and you'll find what Rhodes thrives off is delivery from the midfield/wide players, he can hold the ball up, but only for a certain amount of time and with no real help that game it wasn't his best appearance. Didn't help that Maguire had a great game at the back for Shef aswell.
As i said before though, so long as he has the supply he'll finish with the best of them.
We have a player called lee novak with us who links up very well when playing with rhodes, he plays into channels and creates the chances for rhodes to capitalise on, actually for me he could be up there with rhodes himself but unfortunately doesn't get the recognition, a very hard worker every match.
Title: Re: Jordan Rhodes
Post by: HatterDon on August 21, 2012, 02:59:23 AM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on August 20, 2012, 09:08:46 AM
At that price I would prefer Chamakh who can hit the ground running and has a point to prove

Well, Chamakh IS proven. He has proven himself to be not nearly as good as nGog and slightly better than Eddie Johnson.

I'd much prefer to sign a striker who can score goals than one who has proven that he can't