Just got into bed, checked twitter to see if anything had been posted post our loss tonight and saw the two pieces of absoloutely shocking news.
Kieran Richardson is simply not good enough - why get rid of Murphy when you're going to sell Dembele as soon as an offer comes in for Dembele.
FURIOUS at this club and the management in place.
I feel sorry for all the players who came here thinking this club had ambitions and feel sorry for Jol and the fans who've been taken for a ride.
We're now in a position where all our best players either want to leave, are leaving or have only one year left on their contract.
By the end of the season we could have lost Dembele, Dempsey, Diarra, Jol, Hangeland, Diarra and Petric.
What is going on at this club? I think it's about time the clubs fans deserved answers.
2 years ago we were in the Europa League final - it was the perfect place to push on from and use the appeal of Martin Jol to bring in top players and build on what we've been lucky enough to get.
Not only is this disgraceful but it fully validates Mark Hughes leaving our club and slagging it off for being unambitious - which is obviously something that I hate to say... what is the point in supporting a club if it wont give us anything to put our faith in... It's all well and good trying to stay in the premiership but to not even make an effort to grow after one of our most successful periods in history is just stupid.
There's no point in getting a 30,000 seater stadium when you're selling all the names that bring in those extra fans, especially if you're going to replace them with the likes of Kieran Richardson who doesn't even start for Sunderland.
Our squad is threadbare, it was before we lost Dembele and now we not only have to deal with his imminent departure but no direct replacement, an injury to Ruiz and bringing in a winger who struggles to show any form of consistency and has been sold on quite happily by clubs who're below us like West Brom and sunderland, but also when our squad has it's most competition on the wings.
I'm furious! No-one else is I suppose on this board, but something had to be said!... Talking about being a family club, talking about being a supporters club.. I just hope they bring in a lot of players in the next few days and we see a strong statement of intent from the club or I'll be as depressed as I was when Lawrie Sanchez was our manager.
I want to have something to look forward to when I go to games, not worry about whether we'll lose or not. I want to be able to have a conversation with friends without having to try justifying that the club is trying to be run properly and as a result we have to sacrifice anything worth keeping... absolute joke.
Oh well, at least we have our ground and our history... oh wait, we're making our history still...
There has been talk for weeks that Dembele had a release clause around 15m. So there's not much to be done when a matching bid comes in.
Richardson is not intended to be a replacement.
Two words.
Knee.
Jerk.
You've stealen my thoughts!
Good post General...
Rumor in The Netherlands is dat Jol is intending on signing Siem de Jong for Dembele
I am depressed as are you but still hoping by some miracle the club will bring in some really big signings on the last day. they will have some money now i guess. fp.gif
Well we are taking a step back from last season and hoping the youth players step up. Richardson, should he come is a wide player and at best is a squad player. We need wide players but agree that Richardson is not the quality player I was hoping for.
The big problem as tonight proved is we have little quality in depth. Our central defence is very important in Jols system on playing one up front. But with no service and no shots on target we are short of defensive midfielders of quality and creative midfielders. We still need strength up front and the fear that we wait for January to see how things go without Dembele, Dempsey as well as the players that have left is frightening.
Sad that we really appear to have problems at the club after Jol turned things around. We will see with a few days left what happens.
Agree. I'm trying to stay positive though
Wil
Just cos Spurs have bid 15mil doesnt mean he will go Fulham had to accept it due to the realise clause, Spurs dont seem to be going anywhere under AVB, I think he may well hold out until January to see if Man Utd will come in for him. Prehaps once Moussa says no they might offer us 10 for Dempsey
The worst thing about this whole thing though is the optimism that Jol and the club were trying to portray regarding Dembele as being the one player that we were comfortable to keep a hold of.
The club published an article on it's own official website from Tony Gale, saying that he thought Dembele was worth at least £25 million - what is the point in posting an article like that when he has a release clause in his contract of £15 million.
I aknowledge £15 million in real terms is a lot of money and it was his release clause but his potential was exponetially greater than £15 million... If we have accepted that small offer for him then it'll feel like daylight robbery... Even Jol seemed dejected after the game today - he'd be saying that he was happy with Dembele and thought Dembele would only go for a very large fee and so he had little to worry about.
And what's worse is that it's not even a team that you can see competing for honors. Tottenham have had an indifferent start to the season and haven't even got going.
The thing that really irks me though is the fact that there is obviously a huge lack of communication between Jol and what the manager wants and what the clubs management actually does. He obviously wanted to keep Dembele, didn't think we'd lose him and it just looks like we've accepted the first serious offer for one of our best players.
Some say it is a positive that we are so quiet and don't say boo to a goose, but I am urging the club to release a statement tomorrow explaining what the hell is going on.
Losing Dembele is the worst thing that could happen to us at this time and with Dempsey refusing to play we have a situation where we have lost our 2 best players from last season and haven't found any kind of replacement.
If we are a healthy club, as Jol keeps saying then why are we so tight fisted? We give players ridiculously short contracts and expect to keep them. Maybe I am overreacting but tonight has been a bad night to be a Fulham fan.
I hope I am proved wrong and we make some big signings between now and saturday. I'm not holding my breath though.
I cannot see us succeeding without our two, undoubtedly, best players last season. So tough.
If Spurs match the release clause fee, what can Fulham do? You could argue that the release fee was too low in the original contract, but about 15 months ago anyone posting on here that Dembele was worth £15m would have been slaughtered.
If he goes, he goes, and we've made £10m on the deal. MAF is pumping £30m into the new stand so he's clearly not planning on going down.
I still believe. (Just about.)
And I also had a felling that someone had to make way before we started our summer shopping!
It all fits into place now, the delay in Dembele' going to Spurs because of the Modric' situation. I'm sorry, but that bid was accepted far too quickly for my liking and the whole thing has happened miles too quickly for my liking as well. If I didn't know any better, I'd say there had been a gentleman's hand shake on this whole thing a while back based on Modric'
I could also say the same with Dempsey, but something's gone wrong here I recon. Maybe he didn't want to leave after all but Fulham did want him to and were banking on the 10 million coming in. Stupid as it sounds, but watch us spend a bit of money now and the likes of Richardson come in. Still, hardly good replacements and to explain how angry I am right now is a massive understatement.
:dead horse: :handbags: :bang head:
We have to buy players that are willing to come to us on medium type wages - Sidwell and Richardson wanted to return to London.Dembele wanted a start in the Premiership as a stepping stone to a bigger club - he said that clearly when he joined.
If we go the QPR route we will bankrupt the club. Arsenal lost RVP - Tottenham lost Modric - it happens !
Jol has got some quality in with Petric, Diarra, recently - lets hope he can pick up a couple of others. Yes Dembele looked good but it wasn't going to take teams long to work out the need to hammer him hard and stop us. We need better strenghth in the squad and hopefully this will fund it
I`m lost for words, not even looking forward to our next game. Just watch on friday when we bring in a couple of squadplayers as replacements for Demps and Dembele. Season over before we played three games.
I just have no words to sum up how I feel after tonight. A pathetic display in the cup against lower league opposition, then finding out we'd had a bid accepted for Richardson. Then I have a nap, and wake up to find we're selling Moussa.
What an awful night to be a Fulham fan.
I can only hope the next 3 days is going to be very busy in the transfer window.
Agree totally - the sale of Saha was the same - we wanted the money and virtually forced him out the door.
These deals are set up in principle weeks ahead - I suspect Fenway agreed the deal with Mcinintosh for Dempsey and then Rodgers baulked at the price because he wanted funds for Joe Allen.
No good getting too angry - we kept the ground and if we can stay mid table we have a grand old time - tonights cup can be a poisoned Challice - just ask Birmingham City.
What p*** me off is that we have chances to pick up lower division London talent at cheap rates and don't do it and then they go on to be stars - Moses, Ashley Young , Cahill etc
Lets hope Jol has his targets lined up
Allowing Moussa to leave is confirmation that Fayed has no ambitions for the club and only wishes to redeem his money.
Apart from Moussa there are too many first team members on short contracts. And who do we get to replace Moussa? Richardson! Well that's some consolation.
We owe a lot to Fayed for what he has done in the past. What is happening now is the start of a slide into mediocrity and potential relegation.
"There's none so blind as won't see" says the proverb. I have been insulted for my claims that Fayed has lost interest and I expect to be so again. As a supporter for 60 years, all I care about is the success of my team.
QuoteAllowing Moussa to leave is confirmation that Fayed has no ambitions for the club and only wishes to redeem his money.
Careful, my friend. The last time someone accused MAF and Fulham of having "no ambition" this board spent an entire season taunting him for it and hoping that his new club failed. Now, the fact that it was true didn't stop us then, but I'd still refrain from giving anyone on here your address. Sometimes it's dangerous to state facts.
Quote from: George G on August 28, 2012, 11:52:51 PM
Some say it is a positive that we are so quiet and don't say boo to a goose, but I am urging the club to release a statement tomorrow explaining what the hell is going on.
Losing Dembele is the worst thing that could happen to us at this time and with Dempsey refusing to play we have a situation where we have lost our 2 best players from last season and haven't found any kind of replacement.
If we are a healthy club, as Jol keeps saying then why are we so tight fisted? We give players ridiculously short contracts and expect to keep them. Maybe I am overreacting but tonight has been a bad night to be a Fulham fan.
I hope I am proved wrong and we make some big signings between now and saturday. I'm not holding my breath though.
would you actually believe anything they said in a statement though.. this season we have had dempsey did not go as he was injured...lies he had fallen out with us and wanted a move. followed by we want 2 to 3 players and the money is there. clearly lies as no one came in. and the latest little brama of if dembele was to go then it would take alot of money the kind that not many clubs have double lies, as 15 million is not a lot of money it buys you championship players like fletcher. and every other club spends that kind of money on a player, even southampton are trying to do that on one. so a pr stunt full of lies is not really needed today. as theres only so many times you can keep saying we still want 2 or 3 and the money is there. the best thing the club can do is actually buy a decent player and not some prem team that finsihed below us last years bench boy.
Guys, you're driving me crazy.
He had a release clause. Given that the qualifying bids were going to come in, there is no point in delaying it. In fact, it is in the club's interest to move the process along as fast as possible, grab the cash, and have as many hours left in the week to make our own moves.
Quote from: btings on August 29, 2012, 05:38:47 AM
Guys, you're driving me crazy.
He had a release clause. Given that the qualifying bids were going to come in, there is no point in delaying it. In fact, it is in the club's interest to move the process along as fast as possible, grab the cash, and have as many hours left in the week to make our own moves.
Totally agree, let´s see what happens in the next days, let´s keep the hope we´ll find a decent replacement
I hope you slept well and calmed down GENERAL because you reaction was a little over the top.
Jol didn't want to sell Dembele but he had a release claus and could do nothing about it!!
Quote from: HatterDon on August 29, 2012, 03:51:33 AM
QuoteAllowing Moussa to leave is confirmation that Fayed has no ambitions for the club and only wishes to redeem his money.
Careful, my friend. The last time someone accused MAF and Fulham of having "no ambition" this board spent an entire season taunting him for it and hoping that his new club failed. Now, the fact that it was true didn't stop us then, but I'd still refrain from giving anyone on here your address. Sometimes it's dangerous to state facts.
I have had all the insults from those on the old official forum who continue to genuflect before the image of what Fayed has done. They need to wake up and see what he IS doing.
Quote from: Bradstow on August 29, 2012, 03:18:57 AM
Allowing Moussa to leave is confirmation that Fayed has no ambitions for the club and only wishes to redeem his money.
Apart from Moussa there are too many first team members on short contracts. And who do we get to replace Moussa? Richardson! Well that's some consolation.
We owe a lot to Fayed for what he has done in the past. What is happening now is the start of a slide into mediocrity and potential relegation.
"There's none so blind as won't see" says the proverb. I have been insulted for my claims that Fayed has lost interest and I expect to be so again. As a supporter for 60 years, all I care about is the success of my team.
What the hell are you on about? I f MAF had lost interest he would have sold us by now.
Your comments on MAF are totally out of order and if he hadn't done all he has already for this club no doubt you would be on the Chelsea message board by now.
Players come and go (and yes its not nice to lose the best ones) but for a club of our stature its a fact of life.
Fulham is for life not just for the 2 Dems.
west ham i thought maybe just maybe we could get a win with our midfield being strong. In the space of 24 hours I have changed my tune to I hope we stay up.
This is not a knee jerk reaction but a realistic one. We have just sold our only flair, the one player WHO can take on other players and leave them behind. Diarra, sidders are ,more central and dont have that ability to ghost past 2-3 players. Seriously doubt we will bring in a player to match the quality of dembele.
We have never pushed on from a good season
Quote from: cottage cheese on August 29, 2012, 07:24:06 AM
Seriously doubt we will bring in a player to match the quality of dembele.
I never thought we would bring in a player of Dembeles quality in the 1st place but we did, he is called Dembele.
No reason we won't do it again
lose to a championship side in a pathetic manner.lose dembele zamora scores,the pog scores.what a lovely night burp happy days boys !!!
I thought I was a pessimist? :)
It is absolutely gutting to see this. I couldn't give an arse about getting put out of the cup to be honest. I think it's a blessing in disguise now as our squad is going to be thin enough between now and January (at the earliest).
I don't really blame the club or anyone involved. Dempsey has had his head turned and is, as far as I am concerned, gone. At best he will go now and we get a decent fee, at worst, he does a Zamora and bitches and moans then leaves for next to nothing. Dembele had a release clause and has followed through on what he said he was going to do, I don't blame him.
What is incredibly frustrating is that we are now an injury away from being in the relegation zone instead of being a signing away from challenging for Europe. Every time it looks like we're getting are act together we get punched in the stomach. I guess this is what happens when you follow a club like Fulham.. If you have anything particularly good it gets taken by someone with deeper pockets at the first opportunity.
We can't blame MAF for not offering crazy money long term deals to these guys because we can't afford to do it. Even if we did, the gap in disposable income between ourselves and some of the clubs out there means they would just sign Dempsey or Dembele for £100k a week instead of £80k and we would have shelled out a lot more dough than we had to just to end up in the same position. Arsenal can't even compete anymore, so who do we think we are?
The way our board plays it is sustainable, or sustainable-ish anyway, we're still in more debt than most clubs in Europe, so at least we know we're not likely to do a Pompey anytime soon. That said, we've taken the biggest step backwards in losing these two since appointing Lawrie Sanchez as our manager. Relegation is still highly unlikely but if we lose Petric or Ruiz for any length of time we could find ourselves hovering just above it.
What's the best we can hope for, seriously? Is it:
1) We bid whatever it takes and pay whatever the players ask to bring in recognised top players who have proved they can play at the highest level.
or
2) We rely on scouting, youth development and good coaching to find and train up promising young players (who will attract bigger clubs if they succeed) alongside older players with something to prove.
And while we're on the subject, which do we most want when Mo eventually goes?
1) A totally unsustainable club paying top wages to players it can't afford.
2) A well-run going concern with manageable losses.
And please, no more numpty comments about how we shouldn't let Moussa go. We can't keep him if Spurs have met the buy-out valuation. As has been said above. All we can hope is that Moussa takes one look at the weird pointy guy "managing" them and decides he'd rather stay with us for another year.
None of us are happy but if Dembele had a release clause as is being said then the club were powerless.
Obviously what matters is who comes in in the next three days. Contingency plans must have been in place and we can't now be short of cash. If we sign seriously good young players their agents will no doubt be insisting on release clauses in their contracts so the cycle continues.
Richardson is a decent squad player who is suited to our level.
What we must do though is bring in a central midfielder and striker good enough to be regulars. I'd be happy if Tom Hutchinson came as part of the Dembele deal even if only on a seasons loan.
What I don't doubt is MAF and Mackintosh's continuing committment to the club but if Arsenal can't keep Van Persie, Tottenham Modric and ManU Ronaldo then how are we expected to keep players coveted by bigger clubs.
The selling of the two Dems is not the point. The quality of players coming in is. I think we can agree that so far the players who have left were of a better quality than those we have in. The forwards we have brought in, both of them do not actually fit Jols system very well. But the debate goes on.
firstly you mean huddlestone and secondly we already have diarra and sidders for the defensive midfielder. In fact dembele was better at tackling than both of them anyway!
We need a box to box midfielder who has pace, the ability to turn the gas and run past 3 players. Otherwise we will not be in top ten especially if dempsey goes as well
I would like the club to confirm that the Dembele sale was only triggered by a release clause. This would give me some solace
Agree with all the above. Such a crying shame that we are in this situation so close to the end of the transfer window. But that's how clubs do their business I suppose- trigger a release clause as late in the window as possible leaving the club they are buying from severely damaged. Another thing that is hard to take is that as soon as Dembele goes to Tottenham his price tag will double and he will be given a very lucrative contract with a ridiculous release clause. This will leave us aggrieved because we know we should have got more for the player. Oh to be a Fulham fan.
If Dembele has a £15m trigger clause and Spurs offer £15m there is nothing that the club can do to stop him talking to Spurs.
That would be no different if we were a much wealthier club, it is just the contractual position we find ourselves in...
The release clause story materialized along with its sibling - the alleged option for an extra year - only in about the last 10 days. There is no evidence that any of that is true.
Just look at the reporting on the price tag for Modric, after the deal had been finalised with Real. The prices ranged from about £27.5m to £33m, i.e. even with this done deal, the press didn't have a clue what they were talking about. But that doesn't seem to stop them from publishing.
MAF/Mac have a selling price for any player. The alleged price of £15m would likely persuade them to sell .any player with only one year left on his contract. I think it's clear to management and fans alike that Dembele would walk for free on a Bosman next summer. I don't think MAF/Mac would ever let that happen - they will always sell and unfortunately from a business perspective it makes complete sense.
From a fan's perspective it's "Moussa, please stay!" :Belgique:
No staement will be made until everything about the deal is complete.
Hopefully they're too busy on transfers to make statements.
I expected both Dems to go this summer but assumed it would be much earlier. The time to take stock will be after the window closes and anything is possible from exciting signings through dross to nothing. I have no idea what to expect.
I don't doubt that the club is trying though.
Was Tony Gale set up by the club's management to throw that figure out there after the ManU game to focus attention on Mousa's real value?
I suspect there may be a grain of something in there even if it's just salt with which to burn our wounds. I also suspect that we have gained more than 15 million. If so, as Sipwell said elsewhere, that's good business for the club as he would have gone for nothing in one year's time. And it's 3x or more his book value.
My advice to the suicidal and vitriolically angry? It's a game. It's a football club. It's not remotely near life or death. We have loads of other players. There are loads of other good players out there. It will get sorted - not as prettily as if Mousa had stayed, but the odds of him going were always high. Same with Dempsey.
Nogood "not as serious as that, isit" Boyo
could be... interesting thought and one that could have some validity. I think we got more than 15 for him too. I just hope that we get some quality people in before the window shuts.
He is worth a lot of money. He gets airtime and everyone is raving about him. He has 1 year left on his contract (with the very blurry one year extension). Either Fulham should have given him a seriously improved contract (making him one of the big earners at the club) or they should have sold him for what someone is willing to give. Spuds give 15. That is not bad.
Odd article to post on the official site if he had the £15 clause and a host of top clubs (and Spurs) all chasing after him.
Seems like they are saying that he should be worth £25 but you can have him for £15. What a bargain!
if he has a clause, no one would of bid higher. Surprised Arsenal and United didn't come in for him to be honest. Still think he could of done better than Spurs.
:009: Dembele gone.. official on club website
Good luck Moussa, hope you find what you are looking for. You really were special.
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/dembele-deal-agreed-29082012.page? (http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/dembele-deal-agreed-29082012.page?)
Right that's it. Can we not get on with looking forward, and stop licking our wounds.
We knew it would happen. Let's get on with life and don't dwell on the past.
I just hope we greet him at the Cottage with respect for what he did for us.
He is not a Judas, but has been professional in all his statements
Great. 3 central midfielders have left, our top scorer, also a midfielder, is refusing to play, and we haven't brought in one midfielder. Even without the sale of Dembele surely we should have added some real quality earlier in the window. Now we find ourselves in an unbelievably bad situation.
All hope of a last minute U-Turn gone. Good Luck Dembele. :012:
Wow. About 4 lines on the site and you had to scroll down the page to find the article hidden away.
Undisclosed fee so we wont know if we actually got value for money or got bent over. The communication to fans is pretty non existent unless they are trying to flog you a load of sh*t.
Quote from: horse1031 on August 29, 2012, 04:32:19 PM
Good luck Moussa, hope you find what you are looking for. You really were special.
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/dembele-deal-agreed-29082012.page? (http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/dembele-deal-agreed-29082012.page?)
Villas Boas' face says it all... :(
Deleted the duplicate post bucksfulham.. nothing wrong with it.. just duplicate. thanks for the info.. guttted
Quote from: jelmo on August 29, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Wow. About 4 lines on the site and you had to scroll down the page to find the article hidden away.
Undisclosed fee so we wont know if we actually got value for money or got bent over. The communication to fans is pretty non existent unless they are trying to flog you a load of sh*t.
When did FFC ever disclose a fee for a player moving in or out?
Dembele's gone, one more round, Dembele's gone: Delia's Gone-Johnny Cash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeOPhh_DgPA#)
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ughhhhhhhh
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 29, 2012, 04:58:07 PM
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POW, right in the heart...
he was shite anyway
I love you dembele :( you look bloody stupid in that kit!!!!!!!
The most frustrating part of this for me is that, realisitically, he's not moved a club that's going to be hugely more succesful than we are in the next 5 or 6 years... Yes they're a much bigger club and he'll earn more money, but there's no way on earth they're going to beat the likes of United, Man City or Chelsea to the league title in the next 5/6/7 years, nor are they going to win the CL, let alone reach it. He's only 25, it's not like had he stayed another season at Fulham he'd have been unable to move to a bigger club then... I feel as though he's sold himself short moving to Spurs. He could have easily slotted into the likes of Chelsea, City or United, or even Real Madrid, and I would have then felt that his move was justified as he was joining a club that is realistically going to challenge for major titles. Ultimately he might be involved in a successful Spurs cup run in the next few years, but the likeliehood of him winning the league or Champions League, or even playing in the Champions League, is, in my opinion, minimal, and that for me is the most disappointing part of it all.
But anyway, good luck the Moose, you were the most talented player I've seen in a Fulham shirt in a very long time, arguably ever, and I wish you every luck in the future. I just wish you'd gone to a more likeable team, one that I have some respect for.
Time for Mousa Dembele to step up to the plate for us
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 29, 2012, 05:07:59 PM
Time for Mousa Dembele to step up to the plate for us
Mousa is gone, Moussa on the other hand is still here.
Ugh that looks truly disgusting. Sp*rs and qpha are the two clubs he could have gone to where I will wish him the worst and not the best. A big club I could accept. But spurs? Worst fans I've ever met. I hope he's a failure. Yes I'm bitter, but I'll never bring myself to root for a spurs player.
Prehaps this is part of Spurs deal with Madrid they but Moussa now and Real Madrid will buy him next year off them.
Goodbye Dembele, let's hope Fulham can find another decent midfielder before the window closes.
:dft004:
Hang your head in shame fulham. Last nights result coupled with offloading Dembele is why i dont buy season tickets anymore... As far as i am concerned you have ripped of many of my fellow Fulham supporters and friends. Disgusting!!!
think you are on the wrong board. try we are the ranger boys.
5 years...now that is a proper contract and one a player like Mousa deserves.
Quote from: alexbishop on August 29, 2012, 05:37:36 PM
5 years...now that is a proper contract and one a player like Mousa deserves.
And basically it's why Moussa only signed a three year deal with a clause in the second year. He saw Fulham as a good stepping stone.
Stop moaning and wake up. There no way he would have signed a new deal at Fulham, he was always going to leave after two or three years.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on August 29, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on August 29, 2012, 05:37:36 PM
5 years...now that is a proper contract and one a player like Mousa deserves.
And basically it's why Moussa only signed a three year deal with a clause in the second year. He saw Fulham as a good stepping stone.
Stop moaning and wake up. There no way he would have signed a new deal at Fulham, he was always going to leave after two or three years.
Sorry, where have I moaned?
QPR in for a Real Madrid midfielder now.. A club with real ambition...
That will fetch Spurs a nice fee when he wants to leave to a bigger club in 2 years.
His Twitter page says he still plays for Fulham, so there's hope yet!
Although he has just tweeted saying he's happy to have signed a new contract at Tottenham FC
To be fair to him, he has always said that we were a stepping stone on the way to supposedly bigger and better things.
Given how long he has left on the contract, we got a good deal.
It's a shame. But it was inevitable. And we haven't got ripped off.
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
QPR in for a Real Madrid midfielder now.. A club with real ambition...
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@alexbishop: Sorry Alex, that wasn't aimed at you mate.
Quote from: Jack Fulham on August 29, 2012, 05:52:27 PM
That will fetch Spurs a nice fee when he wants to leave to a bigger club in 2 years.
12 months and he will be off to Real Madrid, especially as Spurs are now officially their feeder club
Quote from: fulham1234 on August 29, 2012, 05:55:36 PM
Although he has just tweeted saying he's happy to have signed a new contract at Tottenham FC
Absolute scoundrel! That wasn't there when I posted :P
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
QPR in for a Real Madrid midfielder now.. A club with real ambition...
Feel free to support them.
Congratulations to Moussa and his agent for negotiating a contract that executed his plan to use Fulham as a stepping stone. The man did exactly what he said he was going to do and we got to watch him for two seasons. There are way too many posters acting like the club could have kept him here beyond next season.
A poster I respect put it well when he said in essence that football is a caste system. I would add get used to your place in it or your in for a lot of thttings unless you serve the top master.
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
QPR in for a Real Madrid midfielder now.. A club with real ambition...
not really we already have a real madrid player. thought everyone did nowadays
Quote from: Jambo on August 29, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
QPR in for a Real Madrid midfielder now.. A club with real ambition...
Feel free to support them.
You seem to have a thing for QPR. Shove off and support them!
Being as half our old team are playing for them now i may just do that..
If this is correct and along with the 5 year contract they've just given him, Spurs have invested very heavily in an unproven player at that level and we've certainly just had it off financially. For a player with 1 year remaining on his contract, I don't think we had an option but to sell for that price.
I'm not sure if this is 100% correct yet but I'll do some digging and find out.
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 06:11:12 PM
Being as half our old team are playing for them now i may just do that..
yes but the crap half.
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 06:11:12 PM
Being as half our old team are playing for them now i may just do that..
Feel free.
You won't be missed.
This would be very good business/negotiating by us if true.
Where are you getting that from?
I can't describe how gutted I am, I had Dembele down as the best player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, and I've seen a few. The thing that bugs me more than anything is that Tottenham can seem like such a more attractive club than Fulham, and while we're prepared to sell them our best players, that will always be the case. I've supported Fulham for 50 years and we've never won anything, and I'll probably die knowing we've never won anything. We've got to learn to hang on to a good player when we get one or we'll always be just little old Fulham. I'm going to try and console myself with the fact that Moussa will help contribute to the cost of our new stand, a step that will go towards making us a bigger club, but I'm totally gutted, us Fulham supporters never seem to get a decent break.
Quote from: Admin on August 29, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
If this is correct and along with the 5 year contract they've just given him, Spurs have invested very heavily in an unproven player at that level and we've certainly just had it off financially. For a player with 1 year remaining on his contract, I don't think we had an option but to sell for that price.
I'm not sure if this is 100% correct yet but I'll do some digging and find out.
I think your bang on the mark here Admin. I think the "15 million" release clause was a term coined by a press in reference to what Fulham would take- and somebody took it as actual fact he had a clause in his contract.
19 million sounds more like we would realistically take, and with the modric money, what Spurs would be willing to shell out to replace him. Unproven at CL too, but hey, I think he'll make it.
Good post.
I think a certain few of you want to lighten up with the name calling. If not, I will take the necessary steps needed to close this thread down and warn each and every one of you about your childish behaviour.
Near as ........ £23M is the word in N22
Just seen Dembele confirmed on Sky sports.
Am I the only one who feels physically sick at his leaving?
I think were really gonna come up short without him!
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 05:33:02 PM
:dft004:
Hang your head in shame fulham. Last nights result coupled with offloading Dembele is why i dont buy season tickets anymore... As far as i am concerned you have ripped of many of my fellow Fulham supporters and friends. Disgusting!!!
And hence why the club dont have enough money to keep there good players, strange that isn't it.
Dembele's always been very open about using us as a stepping stone and wanting to move on to bigger things, and who can blame him - he is definitely Champions League quality, which is why it makes it more puzzling that the rumoured Utd move didn't come off. If Utd had signed him I'd have put a tenner on them for the league, but never mind. Given that I don't think any amount of money could have persuaded him to stay. We had two great seasons from him and I think the club have done the sensible thing. The overreaction from everyone on this board is getting a bit tiresome now. If you really are that upset about it you may as well cut your losses and go and support City.
I am sorry to see Dembele go but I can't honestly say I feel 'let down' because of the club's refusal to run a sustainable business like a teenager let loose on Football Manager.
If true or even near it...Jol, go do some shopping!
So Dembele is worth 2/3's of the new stand impressive stuff.
Let's go spend!
Quote from: Nero on August 29, 2012, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 05:33:02 PM
:dft004:
Hang your head in shame fulham. Last nights result coupled with offloading Dembele is why i dont buy season tickets anymore... As far as i am concerned you have ripped of many of my fellow Fulham supporters and friends. Disgusting!!!
And hence why the club dont have enough money to keep there good players, strange that isn't it.
who have we lost due to not having money. im intriguied. dembele a clause was activated so not him. aj we let go on a free as we did with murphy. so who prey tell are these players we have lost due to no money
I would have driven him there for 20m
Hopefully spend well and maybe, just maybe, give Clint a nice enough rise to stay put?
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 05:33:02 PM
:dft004:
Hang your head in shame fulham. Last nights result coupled with offloading Dembele is why i dont buy season tickets anymore... As far as i am concerned you have ripped of many of my fellow Fulham supporters and friends. Disgusting!!!
We don't need to hang anything ........................we could not pay a year of his expected wages. A very good bit of financial business and that is very important if we are to thrive
That, in effect would make it good business??? One man does not make a team (although it helps ha ha)
Quote from: Admin on August 29, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
If this is correct and along with the 5 year contract they've just given him, Spurs have invested very heavily in an unproven player at that level and we've certainly just had it off financially. For a player with 1 year remaining on his contract, I don't think we had an option but to sell for that price.
I'm not sure if this is 100% correct yet but I'll do some digging and find out.
Source????
A good manager can build a good team with £19 million. Unless you're Lawrie Sanchez.
19+4 with one year left? LOL...
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 29, 2012, 06:27:41 PM
Quote from: Admin on August 29, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
If this is correct and along with the 5 year contract they've just given him, Spurs have invested very heavily in an unproven player at that level and we've certainly just had it off financially. For a player with 1 year remaining on his contract, I don't think we had an option but to sell for that price.
I'm not sure if this is 100% correct yet but I'll do some digging and find out.
Source????
HP when it concerns you..
I believe 23 is what ESPN reported this morning.
there's a lot of goo feasting going on these boards today. It really is a case of #1st world problems#
Sorry but i agree with Grant. As a fan i want us to actually win something. To sell our best players and just exist as little old fulham stinks. I want our team to win something just once, more so for all those long serving fans who have never seen us win anything. Why oh why do we sell our best players and then erect plastic stautes of Michael Jackson... its just plain embarrassing, especially so when we have had players like Saha and Dembele and then just sold them on. Quite frankly the monopolisation of football will destroy the game. But to just take the bull by the horns for once and go that extra mile to win something would mean alot to many. Look at Birmingham for example. Carling cup. yeah sure they got relegated but at least they won a trophy. Thats more than Fulham have ever done!
I don't resent him moving on! He is a fantastic player.
But I see top clubs strengthening, other mid clubs strengthening even newly promoted clubs strengthening.
Us, we have depleted our squad. We needed to replace the players that have left and then strengthen.
I hope we don't get injuries!
Quote from: Admin on August 29, 2012, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 29, 2012, 06:27:41 PM
Quote from: Admin on August 29, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
If this is correct and along with the 5 year contract they've just given him, Spurs have invested very heavily in an unproven player at that level and we've certainly just had it off financially. For a player with 1 year remaining on his contract, I don't think we had an option but to sell for that price.
I'm not sure if this is 100% correct yet but I'll do some digging and find out.
Source????
(http://kym-marsh.com/wp-content/uploads/hearsay1-300x269.jpg)
HP when it concerns you..
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 06:43:13 PM
Sorry but i agree with Grant. As a fan i want us to actually win something. To sell our best players and just exist as little old fulham stinks. I want our team to win something just once, more so for all those long serving fans who have never seen us win anything. Why oh why do we sell our best players and then erect plastic stautes of Michael Jackson... its just plain embarrassing, especially so when we have had players like Saha and Dembele and then just sold them on. Quite frankly the monopolisation of football will destroy the game. But to just take the bull by the horns for once and go that extra mile to win something would mean alot to many. Look at Birmingham for example. Carling cup. yeah sure they got relegated but at least they won a trophy. Thats more than Fulham have ever done!
And Portsmouth too! At least they burnt brightly for a while.
Utter ludicrous logic there.
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 29, 2012, 06:48:10 PM
Quote from: Admin on August 29, 2012, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 29, 2012, 06:27:41 PM
Quote from: Admin on August 29, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
If this is correct and along with the 5 year contract they've just given him, Spurs have invested very heavily in an unproven player at that level and we've certainly just had it off financially. For a player with 1 year remaining on his contract, I don't think we had an option but to sell for that price.
I'm not sure if this is 100% correct yet but I'll do some digging and find out.
Source????
(http://kym-marsh.com/wp-content/uploads/hearsay1-300x269.jpg)
HP when it concerns you..
How was your month off by the way..
And Birmingham as in my post????
Whatever the fee, so long as it was acceptable to Fulham we didn't have a lot of choice. We've had a couple of years pleasure watching him, he always said he was ambitious and has conducted himself with dignity to the end. It's a sad day for Fulham fans but good luck to him.
Now go shopping, Martin and get us the next Moussa!
Birmingham didnt spend big on players did they? They held onto there better ones..
Quote from: Grant on August 29, 2012, 06:14:47 PM
I can't describe how gutted I am, I had Dembele down as the best player I've ever seen in a Fulham shirt, and I've seen a few. The thing that bugs me more than anything is that Tottenham can seem like such a more attractive club than Fulham, and while we're prepared to sell them our best players, that will always be the case. I've supported Fulham for 50 years and we've never won anything, and I'll probably die knowing we've never won anything. We've got to learn to hang on to a good player when we get one or we'll always be just little old Fulham. I'm going to try and console myself with the fact that Moussa will help contribute to the cost of our new stand, a step that will go towards making us a bigger club, but I'm totally gutted, us Fulham supporters never seem to get a decent break.
It's not a case of Spurs being more attractive ................................it's the extra £50, 0000 + a week
and a happy agent ( I wonder what the % is ???)
to be fair at this price with just one year left it could not be turned down. like everyone else i wait with baited breath for who some of this cash will be spent on.The midfield of last night did not inspire at all we desperately need someone very special at centre mid in addition to diarra.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 29, 2012, 07:59:21 AM
The selling of the two Dems is not the point. The quality of players coming in is. I think we can agree that so far the players who have left were of a better quality than those we have in. The forwards we have brought in, both of them do not actually fit Jols system very well. But the debate goes on.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!
Mikie and grant,the intertoto we won it one time..
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on August 29, 2012, 09:13:23 AM
If Dembele has a £15m trigger clause and Spurs offer £15m there is nothing that the club can do to stop him talking to Spurs.
That would be no different if we were a much wealthier club, it is just the contractual position we find ourselves in...
Unless the club can make him a sweeter deal -- and I don't see how we could afford that.
Quote from: FFCSteve on August 29, 2012, 06:44:14 PM
I don't resent him moving on! He is a fantastic player.
But I see top clubs strengthening, other mid clubs strengthening even newly promoted clubs strengthening.
Us, we have depleted our squad. We needed to replace the players that have left and then strengthen.
I hope we don't get injuries!
Hopefully the money from Moussa will pay for three players..
Quote from: Holders on August 29, 2012, 06:52:13 PM
Whatever the fee, so long as it was acceptable to Fulham we didn't have a lot of choice. We've had a couple of years pleasure watching him, he always said he was ambitious and has conducted himself with dignity to the end. It's a sad day for Fulham fans but good luck to him.
Now go shopping, Martin and get us the next Moussa!
Jol already signed the "next" Moussa Dembele! Still a tad young though.
I believe there is a translation problem here, as I have seen a number of different figures. What keeps popping up is 16.2 million pounds + add ons. 16,200,000 British pounds sterling = 20,468,538 euros.
I am hoping that the fee is already spent on 3 new players!
My initial reaction was - oh no - here comes a relegation scrap with Demps gone as well.
But 19mm + 4mm in add ons is silly. Add ~ 8mm from Demps and thats 27mm + 31mm in add ons. They were gone and we knew it and didn't want to admit it.
~ 30mm is enough to replace these 2 players.
As you saw in my report, Mr. Boyo, Mr Gale was indeed acting as if he were Moussa's agent. He said that Moussa was the most creative player on the pitch, undoubtedly top-four quality, and the like.
Having said that, you may remember that most of the 2nd half of the season, Jol was also acting like Moussa's agent saying over and over again that he is a brilliant player, we know we're going to lose him one day, and we want to make sure we get his best while he's here.
Unless Jol was speaking out of line [in just about every other interview for 4 or 5 months], it seems as if there was a concerted effort to big Dembele up. I'm sure everyone's happy with the 15m -- well, except for most of us.
:clap_hands: This one says it's £23 million. Let's hope it's true.
http://www.examiner.com/article/tottenham-land-fulham-midfielder-moussa-dembele-massive-23-million-deal (http://www.examiner.com/article/tottenham-land-fulham-midfielder-moussa-dembele-massive-23-million-deal)
Quote from: bobby01 on August 29, 2012, 07:06:18 PM
Mikie and grant,the intertoto we won it one time..
Lol, I'd completely forgotten about the intertoto cup, we're european trophy winners, Europa League finalists, and are consistently in the top half of the league
The fact is, although some here don't want to admit it, we are little old Fulham in most outsiders eyes, and thats because we've a tiny stadium in comparision to a lot of other clubs. Some I imagine even consider us somehow lucky or fortunate enough to stay in the league each season
The fact is, in my eyes, Fulham are a small club continuously punching above its weight (eg Europa League x2 +1 final, level on points with Liverpool and their £100mill transfer windows etc etc), but we are a well run club these days. Yes, we are unable to hold onto our star players, but almost every club outside of Barcelona and Real Madrid have the same difficulty (Arsenal, Tottenham, Man Utd, AC Milan.... they've all lost star players), the small fish get eaten by the big fish and the big fish get eaten by the bigger fish. We are still a small fish in the scheme of world footbal and it will take a long time and a lot of money (both in stadium infrastructure, club setup - ie academy, and players) to make Fulham bigger club, but we are doing these things, we aren't recklessly throwing money to build a brand new stadium too big for our fan base, but we are improving and expanding our stadium in our sacred patch, we've got a Cat One academy (which is a big deal) and although we are selling some star players, you'd be hard pressed to find many players within our squad which aren't international players for their respective countries
Dembele (likewise Dempsey) was a pleasure to watch in the white and black shorts, and watching such a star, internationally recognised player play week in/week out for us only shows how far we've come as a club, we turned a rough rock into a football diamond, and yes, that diamond will shine brighter elsewhere and they may reap further rewards, but I can't wait to see what new rocks come settle on the bank of the Thames and continue to build our club further, one rock at a time :scarf:
Quote from: Brede Butter Pudding on August 29, 2012, 05:03:08 PM
The most frustrating part of this for me is that, realisitically, he's not moved a club that's going to be hugely more succesful than we are in the next 5 or 6 years... Yes they're a much bigger club and he'll earn more money, but there's no way on earth they're going to beat the likes of United, Man City or Chelsea to the league title in the next 5/6/7 years, nor are they going to win the CL, let alone reach it. He's only 25, it's not like had he stayed another season at Fulham he'd have been unable to move to a bigger club then... I feel as though he's sold himself short moving to Spurs. He could have easily slotted into the likes of Chelsea, City or United, or even Real Madrid, and I would have then felt that his move was justified as he was joining a club that is realistically going to challenge for major titles. Ultimately he might be involved in a successful Spurs cup run in the next few years, but the likeliehood of him winning the league or Champions League, or even playing in the Champions League, is, in my opinion, minimal, and that for me is the most disappointing part of it all.
But anyway, good luck the Moose, you were the most talented player I've seen in a Fulham shirt in a very long time, arguably ever, and I wish you every luck in the future. I just wish you'd gone to a more likeable team, one that I have some respect for.
I must respectfully disagree with how you started this post. Spurs are MUCH more likely than we are to win a League Cup, a Europa League trophy, and FA Cup, an ECL trophy than we are. They would have been in the ECL had not Chelsea won the competition. I think it's fair to say that Dembele will be involved in European competition for as long as he's with Spurs. It's also fair to say that, barring finishing top of the good-boy league, we're not. We continue to be far from interested in the domestic cup competitions which are our only ticket to Europe.
I DO agree with you that Spurs and their fans are miserable gits, and I'd weep uncontrollably if any of my family members even set foot there.
Quote from: HatterDon on August 29, 2012, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: Brede Butter Pudding on August 29, 2012, 05:03:08 PM
The most frustrating part of this for me is that, realisitically, he's not moved a club that's going to be hugely more succesful than we are in the next 5 or 6 years... Yes they're a much bigger club and he'll earn more money, but there's no way on earth they're going to beat the likes of United, Man City or Chelsea to the league title in the next 5/6/7 years, nor are they going to win the CL, let alone reach it. He's only 25, it's not like had he stayed another season at Fulham he'd have been unable to move to a bigger club then... I feel as though he's sold himself short moving to Spurs. He could have easily slotted into the likes of Chelsea, City or United, or even Real Madrid, and I would have then felt that his move was justified as he was joining a club that is realistically going to challenge for major titles. Ultimately he might be involved in a successful Spurs cup run in the next few years, but the likeliehood of him winning the league or Champions League, or even playing in the Champions League, is, in my opinion, minimal, and that for me is the most disappointing part of it all.
But anyway, good luck the Moose, you were the most talented player I've seen in a Fulham shirt in a very long time, arguably ever, and I wish you every luck in the future. I just wish you'd gone to a more likeable team, one that I have some respect for.
I must respectfully disagree with how you started this post. Spurs are MUCH more likely than we are to win a League Cup, a Europa League trophy, and FA Cup, an ECL trophy than we are. They would have been in the ECL had not Chelsea won the competition. I think it's fair to say that Dembele will be involved in European competition for as long as he's with Spurs. It's also fair to say that, barring finishing top of the good-boy league, we're not. We continue to be far from interested in the domestic cup competitions which are our only ticket to Europe.
I DO agree with you that Spurs and their fans are miserable gits, and I'd weep uncontrollably if any of my family members even set foot there.
Completely agree with you Hatter, Spurs are a bigger club and much more likely to win something, play Champions League football etc than we'll ever be. Just playing Champions League football would be a highlight that we'll struggle to ever attain
With regards to staying with us for another season and then wait for a bigger club, career progression is all about stepping stones which Mousa has done and been open about with all of us, why stay with us rather than AZ Alkmaar then the logic goes, and hold out for a bigger club than Fulham? They were a stepping stone, we were another one and my guess would be, Spurs are as well.
Hats off to Dembele though, professional til the end and he's been an absolute revelation since Jol took him under his wing, for his sake I hope he continues to progress and one day plays Champions League for a bigger club than Spurs as I'd love to watch him and say he was our player
1 year left and £17m+ in the bank is good business. My feelings now will be based on who we bring in, we must do business, i would be really really suprised if our transfer kitty was under £20m now......SHOP SHOP SHOP SHOP!!!!
Quote from: Jambo on August 29, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
QPR in for a Real Madrid midfielder now.. A club with real ambition...
Feel free to support them.
I think he already does.
Oh, and best of luck in everything you do, Moussa, and I hope the Cottage faithful give you a huge ovation when you return.
Noticed tonight that Talksport really have their knife into QP ha Ha. They have a mocked up video on their website showing their new goalkeeper crying and getting emotional at Loftus Road and the subtitles say that he is crying because he has just seen their training ground - the size of the crowd and realising how far his career has fallen.
Then tonight the subject of Joey Barton came up and they refused to discuss it saying what a complete farce the whole thing was. Then went on with an Evening Standard reporter to say that Fulham were waiting for their brilliant young talents to mature having won the Acadamy Premiership title last year (think QPR are still trying to get approved Acadamy status?)
That is ambition in the long term building a future rather than buying up a load of 30 +players on huge wages
However if you would like to go and see AJ miss another open goal from 4 yards as apparently he did last night - you are welcome
Quote from: In the Enclosure on August 29, 2012, 08:22:13 PM
Noticed tonight that Talksport really have their knife into QP ha Ha. They have a mocked up video on their website showing their new goalkeeper crying and getting emotional at Loftus Road and the subtitles say that he is crying because he has just seen their training ground - the size of the crowd and realising how far his career has fallen.
Then tonight the subject of Joey Barton came up and they refused to discuss it saying what a complete farce the whole thing was. Then went on with an Evening Standard reporter to say that Fulham were waiting for their brilliant young talents to mature having won the Acadamy Premiership title last year (think QPR are still trying to get approved Acadamy status?)
That is ambition in the long term building a future rather than buying up a load of 30 +players on huge wages
However if you would like to go and see AJ miss another open goal from 4 yards as apparently he did last night - you are welcome
academy and stadium developemnet, ar by far and away the 2 most important things that we need to take care of
Quote from: mikie on August 29, 2012, 06:51:54 PM
And Birmingham as in my post????
Birmingham were a poor team that got an easy draw and a gift from Arsenal in the final. They could hold on to their best players because the top teams didn't want them. The reason we haven't won a trophy is not that we aren't as good as Birmingham was (I recall us beating their cup winning team easily at St Andrews toward the end of the season), it's because we haven't been lucky enough. The longer we remain a solid top flight team, the better the chance that it will eventually be "our year".
Sucks to lose such a great player. Great to gain 15+ mil.
