I am growing ever tired of this hidden yet outwardly display of affection for players from the 60s, 70s and early 80s just to make the newer people feel less important...
Anytime something like Dempsey gets brought up... you old gits want to talk about the good old (actually often no so good) days when you stood on the terraces and supported the likes of Marsh, Jezzard, Ivor and Terry Angus etc...
Those of us who have come to the club in the last 10 years (like myself) are well aware that a wonderful club existed before our time supporting Fulham... and indeed many of you have the good fortune of being simply older and geographically convenienced in order to do so...
Also I am pretty sure that most of the newer supporters on here like myself are just fine with you paying homage to the days of yore at the club but it does not need to be used a tool for slagging people off or the newer players that they have grown to love in their time following and supporting the Whites...
There is no Badge of Honor...merely respect for those that have been lifelong supporters... and kudos to you... but please stop using it as a tool to belittle others...
I think you're seeing a motive that doesn't exist.
There's no reason why the old farts shouldn't discuss old players as much as they like and newcomers can choose whether or not to take an interest.
Should not be confused with feelings about Dempsey which is a topic discussed to death. People DISAGREE as they are entitled to do.
Plebs like you should know your place. You'll be tellling government ministers they can't ride their bikes through gates next.
Good points, though.
Quote from: domprague on September 27, 2012, 01:18:47 PM
You'll be tellling government ministers they can't ride their bikes through gates next.
Riding them over cliffs would be better.
I took it as meaning let's talk about the old times but not look down on newcomers. That might be a non-existent problem but it's good to be aware of it.
Quote from: mccscratch on September 27, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
I am growing ever tired of this hidden yet outwardly display of affection for players from the 60s, 70s and early 80s just to make the newer people feel less important...
Anytime something like Dempsey gets brought up... you old gits want to talk about the good old (actually often no so good) days when you stood on the terraces and supported the likes of Marsh, Jezzard, Ivor and Terry Angus etc...
Those of us who have come to the club in the last 10 years (like myself) are well aware that a wonderful club existed before our time supporting Fulham... and indeed many of you have the good fortune of being simply older and geographically convenienced in order to do so...
Also I am pretty sure that most of the newer supporters on here like myself are just fine with you paying homage to the days of yore at the club but it does not need to be used a tool for slagging people off or the newer players that they have grown to love in their time following and supporting the Whites...
There is no Badge of Honor...merely respect for those that have been lifelong supporters... and kudos to you... but please stop using it as a tool to belittle others...
Iin 20 years time when Al Fayed is long dead and we are playing in the 3rd division, with no money and we discover some young striker from the MLS and he starts to score a lot of goals for us, you as a deyed in the wool fulham supporter will no doubt remind all those saying that he is the best thing since sliced bread, that we had another player from the MLS who scored goals for us and some younger / newer supporter will moan at you...
I'm cool with this, so long as everyone agrees that Eddie Johnson was the best player ever to grace a Fulham shirt :dft011:
A bit harsh. I am one of those 092.gif and the forum is a great way to enjoy the nostalgia of days gone by. Wait about 30 years and you will know what I mean.
I used to live in Putney and enjoy not just the football but all the threads about the area, pubs, the way it was, pictures from the past etc etc.
There is a depth to these threads which perhaps only we understand.
Oh dear, here we go, Cottage Corner comes to FOF.
The other day, when I did not respond positively to all the Dempsy threads, I was told to scroll by. Suggest that may be good advice.
Incidently, I have never said that they were the good old days, because quite clearly, they were not. But we had some bloody good players back then, just as we have now.
I apologise profusely for having supported FFC for 50 years and boasting about it. I also take this opportunity to say I am sorry that I watched Haynes, Leggatt, Chamberlain, Cohen, Sir Bobby Robson, Macedo etc. and thought they were quite good - better, in fact, than most who have followed.
I will drag myself into my corner and dribble away till my hearts content and promise never to say a bad word about our present day squad - even that tosspot Dempsey. 092.gif
You had better believe it.
Quote from: jarv on September 27, 2012, 01:26:05 PM
A bit harsh. I am one of those 092.gif and the forum is a great way to enjoy the nostalgia of days gone by. Wait about 30 years and you will know what I mean.
I used to live in Putney and enjoy not just the football but all the threads about the area, pubs, the way it was, pictures from the past etc etc.
There is a depth to these threads which perhaps only we understand.
Jarv... people are taking this wrong... I enjoy those threads very much too... my time spent in London was in Staines but I tried my best to get around SW6 quite a bit so that is something I read...
I am talking about when new players are discussed (especially fondly) in a thread the elders come on in and use old player names to belittle the new supporters for having a love for a player that only played a few games for us, Dempsey threads of late was just an example... trust me I have seen it happen on this board countless times...
Quote from: Gozorich on September 27, 2012, 01:33:45 PM
I apologise profusely for having supported FFC for 50 years and boasting about it. I also take this opportunity to say I am sorry that I watched Haynes, Leggatt, Chamberlain, Cohen, Sir Bobby Robson, Macedo etc. and thought they were quite good - better, in fact, than most who have followed.
I will drag myself into my corner and dribble away till my hearts content and promise never to say a bad word about our present day squad - even that tosspot Dempsey. 092.gif
You had better believe it.
Thank you for the fine example...
Quote from: mccscratch on September 27, 2012, 01:34:44 PM
Quote from: jarv on September 27, 2012, 01:26:05 PM
A bit harsh. I am one of those 092.gif and the forum is a great way to enjoy the nostalgia of days gone by. Wait about 30 years and you will know what I mean.
I used to live in Putney and enjoy not just the football but all the threads about the area, pubs, the way it was, pictures from the past etc etc.
There is a depth to these threads which perhaps only we understand.
Jarv... people are taking this wrong... I enjoy those threads very much too... my time spent in London was in Staines but I tried my best to get around SW6 quite a bit so that is something I read...
I am talking about when new players are discussed (especially fondly) in a thread the elders come on in and use old player names to belittle the new supporters for having a love for a player that only played a few games for us, Dempsey threads of late was just an example... trust me I have seen it happen on this board countless times...
OK, give us examples, name names. Over to you.
So what. Really.
If old timers think that new player A is nowhere near as good as old player B why shouldn't they say so.
They're probably wrong but this isn't holy scripture. We're just passing the time of day talking mostly cobblers.
Except for me, obviously.
In the interests of stopping some sort of turf war, could MccScratch point out where he believes this has happened?
If it is something I have posted (I hope not), I assure you there was no intention to put anyone in their place by talking about Ivor or Harry Bayles or whoever, these are simply the names we knew those players by, and anyone from that era will know who we mean. I do not feel intimidated by senior citizens rattling on about Macedo or Tosh or any others who came and went before my time. Ditto, many of our newer fans will use terms like "McGod" when referring to McBride. The fact that anyone who came on board during or after the Europa run (the more successful one) may not know who Brian is would not be intended as any sort of rebuke, or I hope not, anyway.
No one, not even Tony Gilroy, is going to convince me that Tony Macedo is not our greatest ever goalkeepr but that is just my opinion.
Ah the classic competition for a first team place between goalkeeping God Macedo and lesser mortals Jack MacClelland and Iain Seymour.
I remember it well. We shipped goals whichever played.
Yeah but with Tony, we generally scored more!
I don't see why having an opinion about a Fulham player that not everybody is aware of is anything to apologise for..
We could always have a board for each era (if we could decide upon eras) so that nobody posting could possibly be offended by 'out of era' comments, but no that would be a very, very foolish idea...
Quote from: mccscratch on September 27, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
I am growing ever tired of this hidden yet outwardly display of affection for players from the 60s, 70s and early 80s just to make the newer people feel less important...
Anytime something like Dempsey gets brought up... you old gits want to talk about the good old (actually often no so good) days when you stood on the terraces and supported the likes of Marsh, Jezzard, Ivor and Terry Angus etc...
Those of us who have come to the club in the last 10 years (like myself) are well aware that a wonderful club existed before our time supporting Fulham... and indeed many of you have the good fortune of being simply older and geographically convenienced in order to do so...
Also I am pretty sure that most of the newer supporters on here like myself are just fine with you paying homage to the days of yore at the club but it does not need to be used a tool for slagging people off or the newer players that they have grown to love in their time following and supporting the Whites...
There is no Badge of Honor...merely respect for those that have been lifelong supporters... and kudos to you... but please stop using it as a tool to belittle others...
I know, we'll change the way we are because you only started supporting this glorious club when Eddie Lewis came over.
George Best, who!?
Quote from: Peabody on September 27, 2012, 01:48:20 PM
No one, not even Tony Gilroy, is going to convince me that Tony Macedo is not our greatest ever goalkeepr but that is just my opinion.
With you there Mr P 092.gif
Be honest this has nothing to do with old players, new players, old posters or new posters.
Its about CLINT DEMPSEY.
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing. Yes the players are better now. But the game isn't and the long travels too and from grounds in the lost wilds of Northern England were fun. Now I can't even afford to go to home matches. So maybe that has a little to do with seeing Brian Dear and Stan Brown and Jimmy Dunne through rose coloured specs, while seeing the great Fulham players of today as great but overpaid millionaires.
Actually I enjoy reading everything Fulham from the past. May I encourage some oldies to put a "Badge of Honor" thread together and stick it to be available at all times for newbies like me.Thank you. 076.gif
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Quote from: MJG on September 27, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
Be honest this has nothing to do with old players, new players, old posters or new posters.
Its about CLINT DEMPSEY.
Correct, even the slightest perceived dig or slight at dempsey will set McScratch off on his drum.
Talking about goalkeepers. What about Gerry Peyton, he was pretty good??? I thought so. :54:
Sorry, but this really should be treated as a non existent post. 092.gif
Quote from: vagrant on September 27, 2012, 04:04:27 PM
Sorry, but this really should be treated as a non existent post. 092.gif
Spoilsport.
Quote from: Peabody on September 27, 2012, 01:58:33 PM
Yeah but with Tony, we generally scored more!
but none of those took us to Wembley!!!
(http://www.uslsoccer.com/imgs/usl-022310-mellor2.jpg)
and a nice little segue back to the US Mellor Coaching (http://www.uslsoccer.com/home/404132.html)
Quote from: mccscratch on September 27, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
I am growing ever tired of this hidden yet outwardly display of affection for players from the 60s, 70s and early 80s just to make the newer people feel less important...
Anytime something like Dempsey gets brought up... you old gits want to talk about the good old (actually often no so good) days when you stood on the terraces and supported the likes of Marsh, Jezzard, Ivor and Terry Angus etc...
Those of us who have come to the club in the last 10 years (like myself) are well aware that a wonderful club existed before our time supporting Fulham... and indeed many of you have the good fortune of being simply older and geographically convenienced in order to do so...
Also I am pretty sure that most of the newer supporters on here like myself are just fine with you paying homage to the days of yore at the club but it does not need to be used a tool for slagging people off or the newer players that they have grown to love in their time following and supporting the Whites...
There is no Badge of Honor...merely respect for those that have been lifelong supporters... and kudos to you... but please stop using it as a tool to belittle others...
I personally haven's seen any evidence of this but, are we not, a Fulham family ? That extends to all ages and creeds, and diverse opinion. I personally would never deliberately put down any of our supporters. Anyway I digress, my American friends, why can't you open an airplane window at 36,000 feet ? starsnstripes :005:
Oh i love all the old pictures, love all the old stories, kinda puts things in perspective.
Also wouldn't mind tossing a few pots! Can i have one of those badge of honour thingies, whatever they are
some images from yesteryear...
(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/desktops/YoungFansS.jpg) (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/desktops/OLDs.jpg) (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/desktops/TommyTrinder.jpg)
(http://www.friendsoffulham.com/desktops/yesterday01.jpg) (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/desktops/yesterday02.jpg) (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/desktops/yesterday03.jpg)
Two things:
1. As an American and as a relatively new convert to this religion, I enjoy discussions about former players and matches. I gravitate to them because they not only fill me in on the club's history, but they also give me an opportunity to appreciate what changes a fan of MANY decades has seen. I know that the older posters romanticise players from the past, and I know that as skillful and talented as current players might be, they'll never capture the heart of veteran fans the way that their hearts were captured by players from their youth. This is love we're talking about, and love it -- by its definition -- emotional AKA irrational.
2. It's been barely a year since you've stopped posting heartfelt defenses of Eddie Johnson in response to jibes real and imagined. I was enjoying the respite. If threads are going to turn into diatribes about Dempsey, I'd really prefer that one of my countrymen was not responsible for starting them. Of course, your mileage may vary, but if what is disturbing you is Dempsey being trashed, you have to realize that a good portion of that trashing exists on threads you've created or aggressively participated in. Take a break; have a KitKat.
It's not a surprise that our senior members wax lyrical over past legends - how many one club players have you seen in your lifetime or at least how many do you think will equal the number of appearances of some of those early greats.
You don't need a badge of honour or to be in the Dad's army to realise this though. How many of our Europa finalists are still at the club? 4 in the first team and Davies? Or go back 10 years to our first season in the premier league - how many remain - none. This doesn't detract from the efforts and skill of those who have departed but it does speak volumes about the transient nature and lack of loyalty in the game these days.
I've had my heartbroken countless times in the 17 years I've supported the club and I'm sure I will many more times. Do you see why our elders hold the golden days so dear now?
Ps. That's even before we get onto the other gripes about the modern game and match day experience.
Can we just agree that CD became a very good player for us, we nurtured him and he produced what we needed.
He had warned us that he wanted to play at Champions League level at the end of 2010/2011 and we could quite clearly see that at the end of last season, when the players paraded round the pitch, that his body language was saying goodbye.
However, to then come back and say his choice was Liverpool, who are not a Champions League side and only just finished above us, plus the fiasco of Fenway giving the game away, by saying they had signed him, when they had'nt, gave the clear impression that he had his head turned whilst he was at home in The States and left a nasty taste in the mouth.
If he had gone to ManU, Man C or Arsenal, there would have been only our best wishes and whilst Spurs were more preferrable than Liverpool, they also are not Champions League. Think about it, next year he will be 32 and if (a big if), Spurs do reach the CL, they will undoubtably be looking to strengthen their side. So Clint may have got his move but a large ? remains as to whether he will ever play CL football. I hope I am wrong but I have my doubts.
Well now, I'm old enough to be Mr P's only slightly younger brother but I am prepared to wax as lyrical about Berbatov as my limited powers of lyricism allow, and I have only seen him play for us twice. I was prepared to wax almost as lyrically about Dembele until he decided to wane off to north London. I take a small amount of pride in being as fair in my judgement of current players as my faculties allow - I think that Brede Hangeland is a better cente-half than Joe Stapleton despite the fact that Joe played in the days when buying a jar of Brylcreem was a sound fashion choice for me.
I might be prepared to take offence at the original post were it not so silly. Mr. P may well be right when he acclaims Macedo as our best ever keeper, on the other hand he may be talking out of the lower rear of his Peabody - it is his opinion and it happens that he is in a position to make that judgement. It is not done in order to denegrate current players. (It is my personal opinion that Shwartzer has been, for us, a better keeper than was VDS, I might well be wrong, but more people are qualified to enter that debate than one that includes Macedo.)
I can make no apology for being around long enough to see such boring (but, believe me, great) names as Haynes, Cohen, Mullery, Clarke etc., etc. If I offer an opinion (and that is all it can be) that past-player X was great I do not do so in order to suggest that present-player Y is not. On the other hand if I say that, again only in my opinion, that Graham Leggat was a better player than Clint Dempsey (which I do) I do not do so to denegrate Clint, who I consider to be a fine player, but merely to express a view which I am capable of holding having seen much of both. I can't pretend not to have seen Leggat play just because mentioning him might lead some forum contributers feel excluded.
Quote from: MJG on September 27, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
Be honest this has nothing to do with old players, new players, old posters or new posters.
Its about CLINT DEMPSEY.
this!
the oldies on here will always go back to when they first started watching Fulham and think they where the best-I do,I default to a certain Brian Robert McBride(can you imagine him running onto balls crossed by Duff!)-just like people default to Dempsey-he was there first Fulham hero and thus everybody who follows will be judged against them-that's just human nature.
So let people have there own hero's,because they are letting you have yours :dft012:
Quote from: Peabody on September 27, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
Can we just agree that CD became a very good player for us, we nurtured him and he produced what we needed.
He had warned us that he wanted to play at Champions League level at the end of 2010/2011 and we could quite clearly see that at the end of last season, when the players paraded round the pitch, that his body language was saying goodbye.
However, to then come back and say his choice was Liverpool, who are not a Champions League side and only just finished above us, plus the fiasco of Fenway giving the game away, by saying they had signed him, when they had'nt, gave the clear impression that he had his head turned whilst he was at home in The States and left a nasty taste in the mouth.
If he had gone to ManU, Man C or Arsenal, there would have been only our best wishes and whilst Spurs were more preferrable than Liverpool, they also are not Champions League. Think about it, next year he will be 32 and if (a big if), Spurs do reach the CL, they will undoubtably be looking to strengthen their side. So Clint may have got his move but a large ? remains as to whether he will ever play CL football. I hope I am wrong but I have my doubts.
A very good summary, if I may say.
Going back to the "badge of honour". Well, I think we all look back on our earliest days as a Fulham fan with great affection and may inadvertently keep harping back to them with nostalgia without meaning to offend anyone - or brag. I started following the team in the 60s but didn't get to a game until we'd fallen into the 3rd in the 70s.
The badge of honour I don't have is of seeing Haynes play live - not even in Stan Brown's testimonial which was the only time I saw Tosh Chamberlain and Tony Macedo.
Maybe the need for us to keep in touch with the mostly less-glamourous past is because being in the Premier is very un-Fulhamish. We should be suffering, not being relatively successful. Maybe to many of us it still feels like a dream from which we'll shortly wake up.
Quote from: Jimpav on September 27, 2012, 08:22:32 PM
It's not a surprise that our senior members wax lyrical over past legends - how many one club players have you seen in your lifetime or at least how many do you think will equal the number of appearances of some of those early greats.
You don't need a badge of honour or to be in the Dad's army to realise this though. How many of our Europa finalists are still at the club? 4 in the first team and Davies? Or go back 10 years to our first season in the premier league - how many remain - none. This doesn't detract from the efforts and skill of those who have departed but it does speak volumes about the transient nature and lack of loyalty in the game these days.
I've had my heartbroken countless times in the 17 years I've supported the club and I'm sure I will many more times. Do you see why our elders hold the golden days so dear now?
Ps. That's even before we get onto the other gripes about the modern game and match day experience.
The only issue i have with this is the term loyalty, like all of us that are employed we want and try to do what is best for us and our families, it is no different for the players, it is their career and they also wish to secure the best they can , whether that be at one club or another. The only people that are truley loyal to a club are the spporters, we do not get paid to do that, we do it because we want to .
The difference is that when players retire all the talk is usually about their achievements. Who remembers talk about Haynes being finished in 1965, or why was he was too scared to take the plunge at a 'bigger' club? [The last point translates into loyalty now.] Similar things can be said about most players; what is interesting is, in five years time will Clint be welcomed back here when he is introduced at half time? [For some reason Mickey Conroy and Tony Macedo came to mind there.]
For the most part I love the posts about former Fulham players because I tend to learn Fulhamish things I would have never otherwise come to have known. This includes the posts that compare current players to ones from a prior generation. Besides, we are all going to wax poetic about our heroes from the days of yore. I am too new to football to have any heroes from the days of yore but if we ever engage in a chat regarding American sports please don't try to convince that John Elway was a better quarterback than Dan Marino or that Pete Rose doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. I can be honest and tell you up front you won't succeed in changing my opinion because they were two of my favorite players from my childhood. Besides, I can give you more irrational things to chew on like Dusty Baker being a great left fielder.
So here is to you faithful crumudgeons. :54:
Association Football - Harry Enfield - Mr Cholmondley-Warner arsenal v liverpool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEysltHkgAA#)
this always makes me laugh and feels quite approapiate for this thread 092.gif
To be reticent in references to say Haynes or even Mcbride at the risk of causing some sort of offence to new posters is-in my opinion-...absurd/pathetic.Beyond belief-what is UK coming to???
I wanted to see where this thread would go...
Interesting that I was not even remotely the one that took it in the Dempsey direction... Clint was my favorite player but only because back when he joined in 2007 I said he would come good, all the oldies on the Offal said he was average at best but he actually turned out to be a league star....
Now on to what the post was actually in reference too since everyone immediately latched on to it being another round of the Dempsey Defender League in action.... despite it not being so...
The real comment was aimed at older posters who are quick to belittle newer supporters opinions on the team and the players (again not just Dempsey) by saying that they have not been around long enough to understand "what Fulham is all about and where we came from" and could not possibly have a worthy opinion, theory or whatever...
Where does this occur? In several topics that pop up from month to month.... about ambition, Fulham Legends, ground improvements etc...
I have seen it and experienced it many many times... where a newer supporter criticizes the clubs for not having ambition and the old gits come in and say "you were not hear when we trudged 200 miles in the snow to go play at Carlisle... now that Sean O'Driscoll was a legend" thereby inferring that the newer supporter had no right to suggest the club change its policy and continue to grow...
So... thanks for everyone assuming and totally missing the original point... It was a fun ride...
And HD.... shame on you dude... I defend all of our players when unfairly slagged not just EJ... I just happened to have fond memories of when he played for my KC Wizards (do you see what I did there?) and knew he had talent if used effectively... never mind that he has the same number of goals that Henry has in MLS this season... (13)
And for the record... threads about yesteryear were also not even remotely the point of this entire post... it was only when that long standing knowledge was used to make new supporters feel less important and less worthy of an opinion...
TA TA...
Blah, Blah, Dempsey Blah, I'm right Blah you are all wrong blah, blah
Move on everyone else has....
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on September 28, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
Blah, Blah, Dempsey Blah, I'm right Blah you are all wrong blah, blah
Move on everyone else has....
Take a long walk on a short pier you stale old crumb...
Quote from: mccscratch on September 28, 2012, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on September 28, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
Blah, Blah, Dempsey Blah, I'm right Blah you are all wrong blah, blah
Move on everyone else has....
Take a long walk on a short pier you stale old crumb...
...well I resemble that remark, not sure about the young 'Molly' Malone though..
Quote from: Peabody on September 27, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
Can we just agree that CD became a very good player for us, we nurtured him and he produced what we needed.
He had warned us that he wanted to play at Champions League level at the end of 2010/2011 and we could quite clearly see that at the end of last season, when the players paraded round the pitch, that his body language was saying goodbye.
However, to then come back and say his choice was Liverpool, who are not a Champions League side and only just finished above us, plus the fiasco of Fenway giving the game away, by saying they had signed him, when they had'nt, gave the clear impression that he had his head turned whilst he was at home in The States and left a nasty taste in the mouth.
If he had gone to ManU, Man C or Arsenal, there would have been only our best wishes and whilst Spurs were more preferrable than Liverpool, they also are not Champions League. Think about it, next year he will be 32 and if (a big if), Spurs do reach the CL, they will undoubtably be looking to strengthen their side. So Clint may have got his move but a large ? remains as to whether he will ever play CL football. I hope I am wrong but I have my doubts.
That would be a neat trick seeing as Dempsey just turned 29 in March of 2012.
As for the original premise of this thread, I think Tony Gilroy pretty much covered the matter in the first response to the OP.
Shock horror as people enjoy being nostalgic.
Quote from: Ag on September 28, 2012, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: Peabody on September 27, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
Can we just agree that CD became a very good player for us, we nurtured him and he produced what we needed.
He had warned us that he wanted to play at Champions League level at the end of 2010/2011 and we could quite clearly see that at the end of last season, when the players paraded round the pitch, that his body language was saying goodbye.
However, to then come back and say his choice was Liverpool, who are not a Champions League side and only just finished above us, plus the fiasco of Fenway giving the game away, by saying they had signed him, when they had'nt, gave the clear impression that he had his head turned whilst he was at home in The States and left a nasty taste in the mouth.
If he had gone to ManU, Man C or Arsenal, there would have been only our best wishes and whilst Spurs were more preferrable than Liverpool, they also are not Champions League. Think about it, next year he will be 32 and if (a big if), Spurs do reach the CL, they will undoubtably be looking to strengthen their side. So Clint may have got his move but a large ? remains as to whether he will ever play CL football. I hope I am wrong but I have my doubts.
That would be a neat trick seeing as Dempsey just turned 29 in March of 2012.
As for the original premise of this thread, I think Tony Gilroy pretty much covered the matter in the first response to the OP.
And your point is?
Quote from: mccscratch on September 28, 2012, 02:43:20 PM
I wanted to see where this thread would go...
Interesting that I was not even remotely the one that took it in the Dempsey direction... Clint was my favorite player but only because back when he joined in 2007 I said he would come good, all the oldies on the Offal said he was average at best but he actually turned out to be a league star....
Now on to what the post was actually in reference too since everyone immediately latched on to it being another round of the Dempsey Defender League in action.... despite it not being so...
The real comment was aimed at older posters who are quick to belittle newer supporters opinions on the team and the players (again not just Dempsey) by saying that they have not been around long enough to understand "what Fulham is all about and where we came from" and could not possibly have a worthy opinion, theory or whatever...
Where does this occur? In several topics that pop up from month to month.... about ambition, Fulham Legends, ground improvements etc...
I have seen it and experienced it many many times... where a newer supporter criticizes the clubs for not having ambition and the old gits come in and say "you were not hear when we trudged 200 miles in the snow to go play at Carlisle... now that Sean O'Driscoll was a legend" thereby inferring that the newer supporter had no right to suggest the club change its policy and continue to grow...
So... thanks for everyone assuming and totally missing the original point... It was a fun ride...
And HD.... shame on you dude... I defend all of our players when unfairly slagged not just EJ... I just happened to have fond memories of when he played for my KC Wizards (do you see what I did there?) and knew he had talent if used effectively... never mind that he has the same number of goals that Henry has in MLS this season... (13)
And for the record... threads about yesteryear were also not even remotely the point of this entire post... it was only when that long standing knowledge was used to make new supporters feel less important and less worthy of an opinion...
TA TA...
You should read your own threads, we have to :020:
From your first post
Anytime something like Dempsey gets brought up... you old gits want to talk about the good old (actually often no so good) days when you stood on the terraces and supported the likes of Marsh, Jezzard, Ivor and Terry Angus etc...
I rest my case.
Quote from: epsomraver on September 28, 2012, 07:22:03 PM
Quote from: mccscratch on September 28, 2012, 02:43:20 PM
I wanted to see where this thread would go...
Interesting that I was not even remotely the one that took it in the Dempsey direction... Clint was my favorite player but only because back when he joined in 2007 I said he would come good, all the oldies on the Offal said he was average at best but he actually turned out to be a league star....
Now on to what the post was actually in reference too since everyone immediately latched on to it being another round of the Dempsey Defender League in action.... despite it not being so...
The real comment was aimed at older posters who are quick to belittle newer supporters opinions on the team and the players (again not just Dempsey) by saying that they have not been around long enough to understand "what Fulham is all about and where we came from" and could not possibly have a worthy opinion, theory or whatever...
Where does this occur? In several topics that pop up from month to month.... about ambition, Fulham Legends, ground improvements etc...
I have seen it and experienced it many many times... where a newer supporter criticizes the clubs for not having ambition and the old gits come in and say "you were not hear when we trudged 200 miles in the snow to go play at Carlisle... now that Sean O'Driscoll was a legend" thereby inferring that the newer supporter had no right to suggest the club change its policy and continue to grow...
So... thanks for everyone assuming and totally missing the original point... It was a fun ride...
And HD.... shame on you dude... I defend all of our players when unfairly slagged not just EJ... I just happened to have fond memories of when he played for my KC Wizards (do you see what I did there?) and knew he had talent if used effectively... never mind that he has the same number of goals that Henry has in MLS this season... (13)
And for the record... threads about yesteryear were also not even remotely the point of this entire post... it was only when that long standing knowledge was used to make new supporters feel less important and less worthy of an opinion...
TA TA...
You should read your own threads, we have to :020:
From your first post
Anytime something like Dempsey gets brought up... you old gits want to talk about the good old (actually often no so good) days when you stood on the terraces and supported the likes of Marsh, Jezzard, Ivor and Terry Angus etc...
I rest my case.
I don't rest mine...
Dempsey being pissed on by many in a previous thread this week may have been a trigger for the post but it was about much more...
and as far as you Epsomraver... you are one of the people I was directing this toward... you have made efforts to belittle and bully several of the new fans on this forum for quite some time... I did a little research on some of my posts over the past few years and when ever old vs new type confrontation was involved.. you were right there to make me and others feel slight and unimportant always inferring that our support and opinion was not worthy because we had not suffered the "almost out of league football" years...
Blah, Blah, Blah... Dempsey,Blah, Blah, Blah...
Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on September 28, 2012, 08:19:04 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah...
I have already told you that you can go to HE double hockey sticks... so shove it..
Mccscratch, I am not the most articulate of posters but I do think your wording in opening this thread was not very well thought out.
I am genuinely sorry that you fell that some older posters are ganging up on newer posters, after all, that was one of the reasons that a lot of us moved from the Offal to avoid and we seemed to have found a safe haven here.
I cannot speak for others, but I am glad that we now seem to have a forum were we can put our point of view and not get slapped down by some keyboard warrior and it saddens me that you feel that this isn't happening. I asked you earlier in the thread to give us the examples that you complained of and so far you have given us one but with no evidence to back up this accusation of bullying (I hope that is a correct description).
In my opinion, it is only natural for us oldies to look back with a fondness that I hope you one day will look back with. This does not mean that we think less of todays players, all we/I am doing is sharing with you just how great Johnny Haynes ability to pass the ball was, or just how brave that Tony Macedo was, I am sure that the few that are older than would point out how good Ernie Beecham was (pre-war Goalkeeper) but I did'nt see them. I have however, seen players since the war and up to today and hopefully, I will see and appreciate a few more.
What I can say, is that you have got everyright to slap us down and we have every right to respond.
Hope this clears the air and I hope that you, along with me continue to enjoy Fulham FC.
Quote from: Peabody on September 28, 2012, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: Ag on September 28, 2012, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: Peabody on September 27, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
Can we just agree that CD became a very good player for us, we nurtured him and he produced what we needed.
He had warned us that he wanted to play at Champions League level at the end of 2010/2011 and we could quite clearly see that at the end of last season, when the players paraded round the pitch, that his body language was saying goodbye.
However, to then come back and say his choice was Liverpool, who are not a Champions League side and only just finished above us, plus the fiasco of Fenway giving the game away, by saying they had signed him, when they had'nt, gave the clear impression that he had his head turned whilst he was at home in The States and left a nasty taste in the mouth.
If he had gone to ManU, Man C or Arsenal, there would have been only our best wishes and whilst Spurs were more preferrable than Liverpool, they also are not Champions League. Think about it, next year he will be 32 and if (a big if), Spurs do reach the CL, they will undoubtably be looking to strengthen their side. So Clint may have got his move but a large ? remains as to whether he will ever play CL football. I hope I am wrong but I have my doubts.
That would be a neat trick seeing as Dempsey just turned 29 in March of 2012.
As for the original premise of this thread, I think Tony Gilroy pretty much covered the matter in the first response to the OP.
And your point is?
That he'll be 30 next year, not 32. That would make your premise of missing out on CL football b/c Spurs would want to replace him or upgrade due to age a bit less likely.
Quote from: Ag on September 28, 2012, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: Peabody on September 28, 2012, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: Ag on September 28, 2012, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: Peabody on September 27, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
Can we just agree that CD became a very good player for us, we nurtured him and he produced what we needed.
He had warned us that he wanted to play at Champions League level at the end of 2010/2011 and we could quite clearly see that at the end of last season, when the players paraded round the pitch, that his body language was saying goodbye.
However, to then come back and say his choice was Liverpool, who are not a Champions League side and only just finished above us, plus the fiasco of Fenway giving the game away, by saying they had signed him, when they had'nt, gave the clear impression that he had his head turned whilst he was at home in The States and left a nasty taste in the mouth.
If he had gone to ManU, Man C or Arsenal, there would have been only our best wishes and whilst Spurs were more preferrable than Liverpool, they also are not Champions League. Think about it, next year he will be 32 and if (a big if), Spurs do reach the CL, they will undoubtably be looking to strengthen their side. So Clint may have got his move but a large ? remains as to whether he will ever play CL football. I hope I am wrong but I have my doubts.
That would be a neat trick seeing as Dempsey just turned 29 in March of 2012.
As for the original premise of this thread, I think Tony Gilroy pretty much covered the matter in the first response to the OP.
And your point is?
That he'll be 30 next year, not 32. That would make your premise of missing out on CL football b/c Spurs would want to replace him or upgrade due to age a bit less likely.
If you read what I said, you would have seen I said that firstly Spurs would need to qualify, if they do, they will, bearing in mind Levys penchant for changing the team, set out to make changes, if they dont qualify well I will be proved right.
Don't acuse me of not reading. You made a point and used an incorrect age to support it. I merely pointed out your error and that it would reduce the likelihood of what you were saying. There's a significant difference between 30 & 32 in a footballer's career. While I think Dempsey will come good for Spurs, it's just an opinion, and the scenario you laid out is certainly possible. Perhaps even more likely. We'll see.
Quote from: Peabody on September 28, 2012, 08:49:43 PM
Mccscratch, I am not the most articulate of posters but I do think your wording in opening this thread was not very well thought out.
I am genuinely sorry that you fell that some older posters are ganging up on newer posters, after all, that was one of the reasons that a lot of us moved from the Offal to avoid and we seemed to have found a safe haven here.
I cannot speak for others, but I am glad that we now seem to have a forum were we can put our point of view and not get slapped down by some keyboard warrior and it saddens me that you feel that this isn't happening. I asked you earlier in the thread to give us the examples that you complained of and so far you have given us one but with no evidence to back up this accusation of bullying (I hope that is a correct description).
In my opinion, it is only natural for us oldies to look back with a fondness that I hope you one day will look back with. This does not mean that we think less of todays players, all we/I am doing is sharing with you just how great Johnny Haynes ability to pass the ball was, or just how brave that Tony Macedo was, I am sure that the few that are older than would point out how good Ernie Beecham was (pre-war Goalkeeper) but I did'nt see them. I have however, seen players since the war and up to today and hopefully, I will see and appreciate a few more.
What I can say, is that you have got everyright to slap us down and we have every right to respond.
Hope this clears the air and I hope that you, along with me continue to enjoy Fulham FC.
Absolutely , P. ....just to add that the younger group may well think that there are better readers of a game and passers than a certain Fulham number 10 of yesteryear, and objectively there may well be, but it is difficult to say that modern day goalkeepers are better than their counterparts in the 60's and 70's...mainly because the modern day game allows very little challenge on the goalie...Macedo, Springett, Banks et al made their names with no protection from the ref's whistle.
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Quote from: Edward_Winston_Malone on September 28, 2012, 08:19:04 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah...
I have already told you that you can go to HE double hockey sticks... so shove it..
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Quote from: Ag on September 28, 2012, 11:04:03 PM
Don't acuse me of not reading. You made a point and used an incorrect age to support it. I merely pointed out your error and that it would reduce the likelihood of what you were saying. There's a significant difference between 30 & 32 in a footballer's career. While I think Dempsey will come good for Spurs, it's just an opinion, and the scenario you laid out is certainly possible. Perhaps even more likely. We'll see.
The reason I accuse you of not reading is because you centred on the age issue, which I got wrong and rather than you being pedantic about that issue, you completely ignored the prospect of Spurs not qualifying for the CL.
mccscratch,
I believe you were referring to come-upperence when you made your - somewhat ill-worded - observation as to how those molly sugdenites on this MB use their experience to put down the somewhat younger fans and their observations.
Perhaps you are right, to a point, but to infer it is always intended as such is a massive leap, and from my pov, you might be looking for, and finding, things that are not there.
The great thing about Fulham, and 99.9% of it's supporters, is that we do have a history. Perhaps not as much silverware as some other teams, but we were there from the start, ans that's why you will find many active elder posters on this site as compared to the old offal for example, as that was the new fans' landing page.
If you could accept that when a poster uses memories from some far distant past time as a comparison to the modern day game and/or players, you might just begin to understand and appreciate that there is a wealth of knowledge on here for the faithful to tap into, and everyone is willing to share those stories with you - use them mate.
Hopefully we won't pee you off too much and in the future you can wax lyrical to some newbie to our family about the good old days, when we had this fantastic player, who grew up in a trailer park in the middle of nowhere, and brought US football on by leaps and bounds in the minds of Europeans.
:plus one:
Quote from: Rambling_Syd_Rumpo on September 27, 2012, 11:39:56 PM
Quote from: MJG on September 27, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
Be honest this has nothing to do with old players, new players, old posters or new posters.
Its about CLINT DEMPSEY.
this!
the oldies on here will always go back to when they first started watching Fulham and think they where the best-I do,I default to a certain Brian Robert McBride(can you imagine him running onto balls crossed by Duff!)-just like people default to Dempsey-he was there first Fulham hero and thus everybody who follows will be judged against them-that's just human nature.
So let people have there own hero's,because they are letting you have yours :dft012:
:plus one:
