We worked really hard against probably the most expensivemy assembled squads in Europe. I thought Ruiz was excellent today and against sides that are more our level we will cause them lots of problems. Surprised what some have said about Sidwell, from where I was I thought he was poor and gave it away far to much. Any how lots of positives.
I would usually stick up for Sidwell but today he put two missed passes in the first four minutes and thar summed up his day. Got caught in possession a few times and nothing much worked for him.
A tough day for a lot of players and he was one who suffered the most.
Quote from: Jambo on September 29, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
I thought Ruiz was excellent today
You're kidding, right? I thought he was the most disappointing aspect of the match. Lost possession cheaply and constantly, didn't work to track back to regain possession. I'm not all about workrate, but if you don't have workrate, you can't also lose possession constantly and have no burst to exploit gaps on the turn.
For me I thought pretty well every player played to the maximum of their ability today...we were in the end beaten by a team with better players..the time of the goal is the pain.
No need to be down
coyw
Quote from: Travers Barney on September 29, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
For me I thought pretty well every player played to the maximum of their ability today...we were in the end beaten by a team with better players..the time of the goal is the pain.
No need to be down
coyw
They were better than us. I was disappointed with the way we conceded both goals but they were better. It might have been different with Berbatov to hold it up but Rodallega, for all his various gifts, is not a target man.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 29, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Jambo on September 29, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
I thought Ruiz was excellent today
You're kidding, right? I thought he was the most disappointing aspect of the match. Lost possession cheaply and constantly, didn't work to track back to regain possession. I'm not all about workrate, but if you don't have workrate, you can't also lose possession constantly and have no burst to exploit gaps on the turn.
here here who's the one kidding... first half i counted his errors - poor passes+lost possesion = 4 or 5. Interceptions and ball won = 6 or could be 7 especially some of those after losing the ball himself.
Yea I understand you want him to waste 0 balls and win 10 with lunging tackles but if Murphy showed up with the same stats last year you would be saying how good a game he had.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 29, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Jambo on September 29, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
I thought Ruiz was excellent today
You're kidding, right? I thought he was the most disappointing aspect of the match. Lost possession cheaply and constantly, didn't work to track back to regain possession. I'm not all about workrate, but if you don't have workrate, you can't also lose possession constantly and have no burst to exploit gaps on the turn.
Everyone entitled to their opinion and all that but I am astonished but what you have just wrote. We will leave it at that, I guess we may appreciate different facets of the game. I guess the MOM thread means I'm not the only one.
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on September 29, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 29, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Jambo on September 29, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
I thought Ruiz was excellent today
You're kidding, right? I thought he was the most disappointing aspect of the match. Lost possession cheaply and constantly, didn't work to track back to regain possession. I'm not all about workrate, but if you don't have workrate, you can't also lose possession constantly and have no burst to exploit gaps on the turn.
here here who's the one kidding... first half i counted his errors - poor passes+lost possesion = 4 or 5. Interceptions and ball won = 6 or could be 7 especially some of those after losing the ball himself.
Yea I understand you want him to waste 0 balls and win 10 with lunging tackles but if Murphy showed up with the same stats last year you would be saying how good a game he had.
Second half Ruiz was determined to back out of every challenge. His inability to put a foot in at times is nothing short of pathetic
Just saying that our blokes did ok against far better opposition...when dzeko,balotelli and nasri hit town as subs you know things are stacked up.
keep on keepin on.
coyw
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on September 29, 2012, 09:13:14 PM
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on September 29, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 29, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Jambo on September 29, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
I thought Ruiz was excellent today
You're kidding, right? I thought he was the most disappointing aspect of the match. Lost possession cheaply and constantly, didn't work to track back to regain possession. I'm not all about workrate, but if you don't have workrate, you can't also lose possession constantly and have no burst to exploit gaps on the turn.
here here who's the one kidding... first half i counted his errors - poor passes+lost possesion = 4 or 5. Interceptions and ball won = 6 or could be 7 especially some of those after losing the ball himself.
Yea I understand you want him to waste 0 balls and win 10 with lunging tackles but if Murphy showed up with the same stats last year you would be saying how good a game he had.
Second half Ruiz was determined to back out of every challenge. His inability to put a foot in at times is nothing short of pathetic
If that is what you expect from him than just copy and paste the above after every single game, will save time. On the ball, creativeness, going forward he was our best player by a mile. "Much easier to be a water carrier, you can find one of then on every corner" Eric Cantona talking about Didier Deschamps.
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on September 29, 2012, 09:13:14 PM
Second half Ruiz was determined to back out of every challenge. His inability to put a foot in at times is nothing short of pathetic
Guess you are backing him for the most disappointing aspect of the game as well? Although I don't see how for anyone Fulham related there could be something more disappointing than that Riise suicide at the end :) Can't blame him though... who is our last player that never made a mistake? (hint - probably Litmanen for an obvious reason)
Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 29, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Jambo on September 29, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
I thought Ruiz was excellent today
You're kidding, right? I thought he was the most disappointing aspect of the match. Lost possession cheaply and constantly, didn't work to track back to regain possession. I'm not all about workrate, but if you don't have workrate, you can't also lose possession constantly and have no burst to exploit gaps on the turn.
Very disappointing indeed
SCAPEGOAT ALERT
Quote from: EJL on September 29, 2012, 09:30:39 PM
SCAPEGOAT ALERT
This.
Some men can do no right.
Including Rodallega and Ruiz who outshone a unlively and uncreative Petric, but he gets the praise.
Sorry but you don't need to be a "water carrier" to challeng for 50-50's or if you over 6 foot to jump for s header.
Condescending replys the lowest form of forum wit
Quote from: ddeuce on September 29, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Quote from: EJL on September 29, 2012, 09:30:39 PM
SCAPEGOAT ALERT
This.
Some men can do no right.
Including Rodallega and Ruiz who outshone a unlively and uncreative Petric, but he gets the praise.
Petric was invisible today, but he was isolated with zero service. With the Baird-Sidwell pairing acting as de facto fifth and sixth defenders and also struggling with their passing, Ruiz had to be better receiving, keeping and distributing the ball, and he wasn't. Look at his passing chart for the game. Look at the unforced, soft turnovers he committed. I actually like Ruiz. I just thought he was a big disappointment today on the ball. We had 29% possession at home in part because every time our No. 10 received the ball, he wasted it.
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on September 29, 2012, 09:36:08 PM
Sorry but you don't need to be a "water carrier" to challeng for 50-50's or if you over 6 foot to jump for s header.
Condescending replys the lowest form of forum wit
Its not condescending at all, nor was it meant to be witty. I was pointing out that its very easy to have a team of Deschamps type players, but you won't win any games because you won't score goals. Hughes, Hangeland, Baird and Sidwell are the guys I want to see going into 50-50's and when they win it give it to Ruiz, Duff, Petric, etc.
Very Funny though....Fulham supporters glorifying a team which has had those results in a non so distance past....lol
Sep 15
Stoke City
1-1
Manchester City
Sep 18
Real Madrid
3-2
Manchester City
Sep 23
Manchester City
1-1
Arsenal
Sep 25
Manchester City
2-4
Aston Villa
Fulham supporters are very pleased and happy losing to a team who they believe is the greatest ever...lol...That's the excuse?
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 29, 2012, 09:44:31 PM
Very Funny though....Fulham supporters glorifying a team which has had those results in a non so distance past....lol
Sep 15
Stoke City
1-1
Manchester City
Sep 18
Real Madrid
3-2
Manchester City
Sep 23
Manchester City
1-1
Arsenal
Sep 25
Manchester City
2-4
Aston Villa
Fulham supporters are very pleased and happy losing to a team who they believe is the greatest ever...lol...That's the excuse?
Losing 3-2 in the Bernebeu isn't a terrible result. They are unbeaten in the league and are current Champions, not to mention they were able to bring on £75m worth of talent today. I didn't expect anything from the game but if I needed an excuse there is plenty there.
Berbatov isn't a deschamps type player and has been labelled continuously as lazy (by united and spuds fans) but to my eyes he's worked his socks off in the two and a half games he played he's made more challenges then Ruiz has in the entire time he's worn the shirt.
Because your a number 10 does not give you the right to not put a foot in especially with a team dominating the middle of the park. Even cantona got stuck in! Only number 10 that reminds me if Ruiz in his manner is Ozil and that's why Mr mouriniho benches him on a regular basis
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 29, 2012, 09:44:31 PM
Very Funny though....Fulham supporters glorifying a team which has had those results in a non so distance past....lol
Sep 15
Stoke City
1-1
Manchester City
Sep 18
Real Madrid
3-2
Manchester City
Sep 23
Manchester City
1-1
Arsenal
Sep 25
Manchester City
2-4
Aston Villa
Fulham supporters are very pleased and happy losing to a team who they believe is the greatest ever...lol...That's the excuse?
Lol, Fulham supporters reacting what they saw on the pitch today, lol, being smart enough to understand that past results guarantee nothing, lol, nobody has said they are pleased and happy, lol, well, apart from you, lol, who seems to be relishing the chance to put the boot into those he deems to be unworthy, lol.
No doubt if we had scraped a 1-0 win you would be whinging that it wasn't 2-0.
I suppose you will be one of those, when we finally get relegated, who will be there, beating his breast, shouting, "I Told You So!"
It's a strange way to show your support, but if it makes you happy, and judging by the constant lolling it does, well, good luck with it.
And please forgive me if I think that sort of "support" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Don't know much about Ruiz, but judging his game today he is a no leader. neither a creative either.
Rupert you wouldn't know what i know. lol...And think what you want....lol...It's a free country...lol
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on September 29, 2012, 09:50:01 PM
Berbatov isn't a deschamps type player and has been labelled continuously as lazy (by united and spuds fans) but to my eyes he's worked his socks off in the two and a half games he played he's made more challenges then Ruiz has in the entire time he's worn the shirt.
Because your a number 10 does not give you the right to not put a foot in especially with a team dominating the middle of the park. Even cantona got stuck in! Only number 10 that reminds me if Ruiz in his manner is Ozil and that's why Mr mouriniho benches him on a regular basis
I thought Ruiz worked hard, in fact (although I'm not one for stats) every game he has played this season he has covered more ground than any other Fulham player. As I said before we just see the game differently. I'm not fussed about our Number 10 putting his foot into a 50-50 as much as you are. Its not what he is there to do (in my eyes). I don't get excited by a crunching tackle but I do about a player who will take a risk and try to thread a pass or take a player on at the risk of losing it, but now and again the risk does pay off and can result in us scoring. Its a diffidence of opinion. I've read the board tonight and I don't think I have ever witnessed the range of criticism to praise for Sidwell and Ruiz. On here tonight both have been the worst player and best player on the park.
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 29, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Don't know much about Ruiz, but judging his game today he is a no leader. neither a creative either.
This really does baffle me. It truly does.
It's not about crunching tackles its about challenging in your position and putting pressure on the opposition from back to front and when your 6 foot something not bring sneezed off the ball.
Quote from: Rupert on September 29, 2012, 09:57:40 PM
I suppose you will be one of those, when we finally get relegated, who will be there, beating his breast, shouting, "I Told You So!"
It's a strange way to show your support, but if it makes you happy, and judging by the constant lolling it does, well, good luck with it.
And please forgive me if I think that sort of "support" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
You are wrong. He won't be here to do that as Berbatov won't be here anymore at that point ;)
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on September 29, 2012, 10:06:51 PM
It's not about crunching tackles its about challenging in your position and putting pressure on the opposition from back to front and when your 6 foot something not bring sneezed off the ball.
Ok, I thought it was about 50-50's. We won't agree so lets just leave it there.
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 29, 2012, 10:01:15 PM
Rupert you wouldn't know what i know. lol...And think what you want....lol...It's a free country...lol
I thought we played well today but came up against a team that was better than us and was absolutely determined to get a result after string of poor results. That Man City team was probably the best I have seen at The Cottage and certainly the most expensively assembled. You'd have to be a bit of a fruitcake to judge a team on their last 4 results. I think City will be champions again at the end of the seaon and this will put our result today into perspective.
Like most others I'm proud of the boys today. Not happy with the result, not content, but proud of the team's effort.
I like Ruiz but i thought he was poor today. Also I thought Sidwell wasn't great. But even if they were playing well i think we would have lost anyway, it was just one of those days
As I said here and there...a happy family...lol
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on September 29, 2012, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: Rupert on September 29, 2012, 09:57:40 PM
I suppose you will be one of those, when we finally get relegated, who will be there, beating his breast, shouting, "I Told You So!"
It's a strange way to show your support, but if it makes you happy, and judging by the constant lolling it does, well, good luck with it.
And please forgive me if I think that sort of "support" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
You are wrong. He won't be here to do that as Berbatov won't be here anymore at that point ;)
You may well be right, Epsomraver has pointed out, on another thread, that he keeps saying "Fulham fans" while the rest of us say "we", so he's probably not a Fulham fan at all. I was interested to see what his reaction would be to that post, he more or less ignored it.
His comment that I don't know what he knows looks very suspicious, now.
A witch hunt just began? 064.gif
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 29, 2012, 10:19:47 PM
A witch hunt just began? 064.gif
No need to hunt you, mate. You're caught. yee-haw!
Well, you had a good run, I hope you think it was worth it.
Who is saying you are the hunter?....lol... 064.gif
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 29, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
Who is saying you are the hunter?....lol... 064.gif
Kids!!! can we get back to just disagreeing about all things Fulham!! :dft012:
So as the sun sets in the west after a glorious day in the capital with no oiks on the train back I have just one thought and I never ever dreamed it would come to this ..................
I hope Chrissie Boy is fit for next week else we are in trouble.
That's probably why Jol took him off straight away today instead of leaving him on
What a bad day.. United got beaten well and deservedly so. Not sure what Fergie was thinking with the team selection...That is what cost us the title last year.
City plays their best of the season, gets away with all 3.
...Oh, and you played well. Wish Berba was fit. Ruiz started well, very well, but faded. Petric got isolated. Perhaps as Ruiz lost some of his edge. No one else had much of a going forward intentions. Hugo is an energizer bunny
Don't feel down. Imagine how Arsenal and United fans feel now.
Hope Berba is back earlier than expected and hope the mystery midfielder is what all Jol expects him to be
Yes Count hope Berber back soon and Chrissie is ok as well. BTW when are we likely to know the extent of Bairdino's injury anybody?
Must admit cannot be too sad for a Fulham team that were at least a division or two below the class of their opponents. That is what comes of doing what we did and didn't to in the transfer market. No good blaming Ruiz who was very good in periods today. Rodders worked hard and Petric did ok the few times he saw the ball.
But any team who plays without the ball for over 70 per cent of the game even though they are at home. Well it is a fact we were not in the same class. Not the players fault. May have been the tactics. But really we are what we are. While we may have tried to make the team better than we have been. We didn't and ended up with a very basic side and with injury problems are naming kids and old men on the bench. Now who did City bring on from their bench?
So if I have come to the conclusion we are not as good as we were. Just accept it and hope that we are good enough to have a good middle of the road season.
Only a matter of time before a regular poster throws his/her toys out of the pram and flounces off in a huff only to come crawling back in a couple of week's time.
Actually Lofty according to the Beeb we had 50% possession
We kept a good hold of the big ones such as YaYa and Balotelli but we forgot the tiddlers............Aguero, Silva and Dzeko !!!
At around the 80 min mark it looked like they had two players to our one
Quote from: cusackdribble on September 29, 2012, 11:59:33 PM
Only a matter of time before a regular poster throws his/her toys out of the pram and flounces off in a huff only to come crawling back in a couple of week's time.
Who are YOU ???????
Quote from: KCat on September 30, 2012, 12:00:23 AM
Actually Lofty according to the Beeb we had 50% possession
We kept a good hold of the big ones such as YaYa and Balotelli but we forgot the tiddlers............Aguero, Silva and Dzeko !!!
At around the 80 min mark it looked like they had two players to our one
:011:
50% is like me being 12 stone and happy all the time. It is just wrong. :Get Coat gif:
Quote from: Count Berbatov on September 29, 2012, 11:21:33 PM
What a sh1t day.. United got beaten well and deservedly so. Not sure what Fergie was thinking with the team selection...That is what cost us the title last year.
City plays their best of the season, gets away with all 3.
...Oh, and you played well. Wish Berba was fit. Ruiz started well, very well, but faded. Petric got isolated. Perhaps as Ruiz lost some of his edge. No one else had much of a going forward intentions. Hugo is an energizer bunny
Don't feel down. Imagine how Arsenal and United fans feel now.
Hope Berba is back earlier than expected and hope the mystery midfielder is what all Jol expects him to be
Well at least you have RVP ...lol...to cherish now,why are you crying? And you also have that guy Shrek the "game winner"...lol...Oh...wait, he didn't score at all ,never mind wining the game....lol...What happened to the "high tempo,high pace kind of thing" Red Nose was barking about....lol...Top 6 will be a challenge for you this season and maybe,just maybe next one too....lol
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 30, 2012, 12:44:29 AM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on September 29, 2012, 11:21:33 PM
What a sh1t day.. United got beaten well and deservedly so. Not sure what Fergie was thinking with the team selection...That is what cost us the title last year.
City plays their best of the season, gets away with all 3.
...Oh, and you played well. Wish Berba was fit. Ruiz started well, very well, but faded. Petric got isolated. Perhaps as Ruiz lost some of his edge. No one else had much of a going forward intentions. Hugo is an energizer bunny
Don't feel down. Imagine how Arsenal and United fans feel now.
Hope Berba is back earlier than expected and hope the mystery midfielder is what all Jol expects him to be
Well at least you have RVP ...lol...to cherish now,why are you crying? And you also have that guy Shrek the "game winner"...lol...Oh...wait, he didn't score at all ,never mind wining the game....lol...What happened to the "high tempo,high pace kind of thing" Red Nose was barking about....lol...Top 6 will be a challenge for you this season and maybe,just maybe next one too....lol
SAF is loosing it. Rooney changed the game as soon as he came on. Hit the post too. The tempo was high only in the second half. RvP missed a golden chance one on one against Fridel. Carrick hit the bar.. Giggsy and Scholes and Carrick does not add up to fast football. The one SAF was referring to, when let go of Berba.
United are playing sh1t at the moment. But will finish top 2
You're enjoying this aren't you
It's funny how differently peopple see a game. So no need to get upset if someone else posts a different opinion to yours. My son watched it today (as did I) and when we spoke at the end I thoght he had seen a different game.
Reminded me of the best T shirt I have ever seen, worn by a bartender at my local...
I AM TRYING TO SEE THINGS FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW BUT I CANT GET MY HEAD THAT FAR UP MY ASS.
It's just a different opinion, that's all.
Quote from: jarv on September 30, 2012, 01:36:45 AM
I AM TRYING TO SEE THINGS FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW BUT I CANT GET MY HEAD THAT FAR UP MY ASS.
It's just a different opinion, that's all.
Well I hope it wasn't printed in caps cause that'd have been one hell of a size for t-shirt to fit all those letters on it...
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 29, 2012, 11:44:50 PM
Must admit cannot be too sad for a Fulham team that were at least a division or two below the class of their opponents. That is what comes of doing what we did and didn't to in the transfer market. No good blaming Ruiz who was very good in periods today. Rodders worked hard and Petric did ok the few times he saw the ball.
But any team who plays without the ball for over 70 per cent of the game even though they are at home. Well it is a fact we were not in the same class. Not the players fault. May have been the tactics. But really we are what we are. While we may have tried to make the team better than we have been. We didn't and ended up with a very basic side and with injury problems are naming kids and old men on the bench. Now who did City bring on from their bench?
So if I have come to the conclusion we are not as good as we were. Just accept it and hope that we are good enough to have a good middle of the road season.
Agreed, except that I thought that the tactics worked well in the first half in that we threatened on the break, second half they were all over us. Maybe they just passed it better and we tired. We needed to keep the ball much better even if we went nowhere for a bit, to take the pressure off.
Having said that, it wasn't a penalty and they deserved the win.
I think we were just outplayed today.....
The bottom line was we didn't keep the ball.. 30 per cent possession. We really missed Dembele and Diarra today. There was no link play in central midfield at all.
Personally, I am a massive Ruiz fan, but I wouldn't have started with him yesterday. He is our most creative player and great at spotting the opportunity, but does sometimes get caught in possession - not great against a team that presses like Man City. If we are playing for a draw as we were then a luxury. However, absolutely he should be starting next week against Southampton.
Baird and Sidwell were not at the races yesterday, but they were up against Toure and Silva, two of the best players in the world. It will be very different next weekend.
Dembele would have made a real difference yesterday.....
I'd have to agree with Jarv. It's funny how we all see the same game so differently. I doubt there was a Fulham player on the park yesterday that would of made City's bench let alone their starting eleven. I thought we stuck to the task really well and only lost concentration occasionally. City came out for the second half with a plan that really did stiffle any creative play we had left. We played alot better than against Wet Spam so I'm guessing Jol and the backroom staff are doing their stuff.
Like the new chants as well today :-)
Quote from: cusackdribble on September 29, 2012, 11:59:33 PM
Only a matter of time before a regular poster throws his/her toys out of the pram and flounces off in a huff only to come crawling back in a couple of week's time.
Aha, so that's what all the recent Micky Mousery has been all about. Sorry, I'm a bit slow due to advancing years. (Did I ever tell you about the time that Fred Cal....?oh, no...better not go there...)
Actually it doesn't always work. Nobody noticed when I flounced off in a huff sometime last week. On the other hand it also went unnoticed when I came crawling back some 17 minutes later, so it's not all bad.
Quote from: Count Berbatov on September 30, 2012, 01:21:35 AM
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 30, 2012, 12:44:29 AM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on September 29, 2012, 11:21:33 PM
What a sh1t day.. United got beaten well and deservedly so. Not sure what Fergie was thinking with the team selection...That is what cost us the title last year.
City plays their best of the season, gets away with all 3.
...Oh, and you played well. Wish Berba was fit. Ruiz started well, very well, but faded. Petric got isolated. Perhaps as Ruiz lost some of his edge. No one else had much of a going forward intentions. Hugo is an energizer bunny
Don't feel down. Imagine how Arsenal and United fans feel now.
Hope Berba is back earlier than expected and hope the mystery midfielder is what all Jol expects him to be
Well at least you have RVP ...lol...to cherish now,why are you crying? And you also have that guy Shrek the "game winner"...lol...Oh...wait, he didn't score at all ,never mind wining the game....lol...What happened to the "high tempo,high pace kind of thing" Red Nose was barking about....lol...Top 6 will be a challenge for you this season and maybe,just maybe next one too....lol
SAF is loosing it. Rooney changed the game as soon as he came on. Hit the post too. The tempo was high only in the second half. RvP missed a golden chance one on one against Fridel. Carrick hit the bar.. Giggsy and Scholes and Carrick does not add up to fast football. The one SAF was referring to, when let go of Berba.
United are playing sh1t at the moment. But will finish top 2
You're enjoying this aren't you
And in the midst of a thread about OUR match, we're getting a running commentary about the United match. Hauntingly familiar, this. I remember a certain Russian who posted on here about Liverpool constantly.
No, I'm not going to "flounce off" -- I'm too old and fat to flounce -- and it won't be in a huff or even an hour and a huff. Can't you see what I'm trying to say?
Hatter "the African explorer; did someone call me schnorer" Don
Hehe...you forgot conveniently all the Yanks crapping everywhere collectively, but remember the Russian....lol.... And I get it. You are not talking about the Russian,you are talking about me. So,how may I help you best? Honestly.
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on October 01, 2012, 12:10:11 AM
Hehe...you forgot conveniently all the Yanks crapping everywhere collectively, but remember the Russian....lol.... And I get it. You are not talking about the Russian,you are talking about me. So,how may I help you best? Honestly.
You sound like my sister-in-law. I hate to tell you this, but it really ISN'T all about you. I wasn't talking about you at all in this case. relax lol
I'm sorry, come again? Have you read any other comments of mine in regards to any United games on this forum? I responded to a question about my original post.
OK Hatter,I am glad to know we are almost relatives now. I am also flattered you find me attractive and humbled as much as she is. :dft012: And not to worry ,"relax" is my middle name. :beer:
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on September 29, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 29, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Jambo on September 29, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
I thought Ruiz was excellent today
You're kidding, right? I thought he was the most disappointing aspect of the match. Lost possession cheaply and constantly, didn't work to track back to regain possession. I'm not all about workrate, but if you don't have workrate, you can't also lose possession constantly and have no burst to exploit gaps on the turn.
here here who's the one kidding... first half i counted his errors - poor passes+lost possesion = 4 or 5. Interceptions and ball won = 6 or could be 7 especially some of those after losing the ball himself.
Yea I understand you want him to waste 0 balls and win 10 with lunging tackles but if Murphy showed up with the same stats last year you would be saying how good a game he had.
If Murphy had shown up with the same stats I would have been amazed!!!
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 29, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Don't know much about Ruiz, but judging his game today he is a no leader. neither a creative either.
Just how many times do you have to repeat the same opinion in multiple threads before you can move on. You patently don't like Ruiz - WE know, WE get it, now please move on for all our sakes.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on October 01, 2012, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 29, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Don't know much about Ruiz, but judging his game today he is a no leader. neither a creative either.
Just how many times do you have to repeat the same opinion in multiple threads before you can move on. You patently don't like Ruiz - WE know, WE get it, now please move on for all our sakes.
Find one more thread with my opinion on Ruiz and I'll buy all the drinks.Would you? If you can't, promise here to change spectacles....cause to ask for attitude change is too much i know... :dft012: lol....
Ruiz plainly is a 'cut above' when it comes to skill - that clearance from inside our penalty box when he chested the ball down and volleyed across to Reither was pure class.
However my problem is that when he loses the ball to an opposition player in midfield, or fails to compete for a 50:50, I cannot recall him chasing back to slow down their run so the opposition often have a clear route into our penalty area. He will create plenty of chances this season but that may be negated by the number of times he puts our defence under pressure.
I am generally accused of being to critical and for having it in for ruiz, but actually i don't have it in for anyone BUT The problem with ruiz is that he is ponderous in possesion, loses the ball cheaply far too often and generally when it hurts us. When he gets the ball he generally controls it on the outside of his foot (dangerous as it shows it to the opponent and invites a straightforward challenge) turns, then if still in possesion turns again the other way and heads for congested areas. the idea ruiz will play the ball on the inside of the foot and/or first time isn't gonna happen. He makes an occasional impressive pass but that is massively overshadowed but his faults. Against man city in the second half his total lack of effort was an embarrasment, the rest of the team really tried, but Bryan decided it was OK to walk through the entire 45 minutes. For a player with so called ability, his shot straight at hart was a pathetic excuse, I had expected to see the net bulge.
Sorry to be so down on him but he really isn't doing it and I would prefer a hardworker with no 'flair' unitil we get a properely talented player.
By the way I noticed years ago that the players that perform best also work the hardest. I saw mario Kempes once, an imensely talented player and his work rate was something to behold. Personally i would forgive him if he was really putting in the effort.
Quote from: nose on October 01, 2012, 02:37:56 PM
I am generally accused of being to critical and for having it in for ruiz, but actually i don't have it in for anyone BUT The problem with ruiz is that he is ponderous in possesion, loses the ball cheaply far too often and generally when it hurts us. When he gets the ball he generally controls it on the outside of his foot (dangerous as it shows it to the opponent and invites a straightforward challenge) turns, then if still in possesion turns again the other way and heads for congested areas. the idea ruiz will play the ball on the inside of the foot and/or first time isn't gonna happen. He makes an occasional impressive pass but that is massively overshadowed but his faults. Against man city in the second half his total lack of effort was an embarrasment, the rest of the team really tried, but Bryan decided it was OK to walk through the entire 45 minutes. For a player with so called ability, his shot straight at hart was a pathetic excuse, I had expected to see the net bulge.
Sorry to be so down on him but he really isn't doing it and I would prefer a hardworker with no 'flair' unitil we get a properely talented player.
By the way I noticed years ago that the players that perform best also work the hardest. I saw mario Kempes once, an imensely talented player and his work rate was something to behold. Personally i would forgive him if he was really putting in the effort.
To be fair I have noticed Ruiz plays poorly against the top teams in general. He really is not suited just yet for the hard pressing fluid play that it needed to beat the top teams. Against the weaker teams in the league he looks a beast because he has the time and space to thread balls etc..
Man city pressed him and game flew by him. Against wigan he was allowed space and he ran the midfield for the time he was on. You cant compare city and wigan but the point I am making is that without time and space he cant perform.
He is good for us against the bottom teams and those around us but for me he will not be a match winner against the top teams which dempsey and now berbs are.
Quote from: nose on October 01, 2012, 02:37:56 PM
I am generally accused of being to critical and for having it in for ruiz, but actually i don't have it in for anyone BUT The problem with ruiz is that he is ponderous in possesion, loses the ball cheaply far too often and generally when it hurts us. When he gets the ball he generally controls it on the outside of his foot (dangerous as it shows it to the opponent and invites a straightforward challenge) turns, then if still in possesion turns again the other way and heads for congested areas. the idea ruiz will play the ball on the inside of the foot and/or first time isn't gonna happen. He makes an occasional impressive pass but that is massively overshadowed but his faults. Against man city in the second half his total lack of effort was an embarrasment, the rest of the team really tried, but Bryan decided it was OK to walk through the entire 45 minutes. For a player with so called ability, his shot straight at hart was a pathetic excuse, I had expected to see the net bulge.
Sorry to be so down on him but he really isn't doing it and I would prefer a hardworker with no 'flair' unitil we get a properely talented player.
By the way I noticed years ago that the players that perform best also work the hardest. I saw mario Kempes once, an imensely talented player and his work rate was something to behold. Personally i would forgive him if he was really putting in the effort.
Yawn.
You are becoming a parody of yourself.
Sarcastic mode on.
Interesting, I was going to say something about the team performance, but I guess I saw another game and many of you saw the Ruiz versus Man C game.
Sarcastic mode off.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on October 01, 2012, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: nose on October 01, 2012, 02:37:56 PM
I am generally accused of being to critical and for having it in for ruiz, but actually i don't have it in for anyone BUT The problem with ruiz is that he is ponderous in possesion, loses the ball cheaply far too often and generally when it hurts us. When he gets the ball he generally controls it on the outside of his foot (dangerous as it shows it to the opponent and invites a straightforward challenge) turns, then if still in possesion turns again the other way and heads for congested areas. the idea ruiz will play the ball on the inside of the foot and/or first time isn't gonna happen. He makes an occasional impressive pass but that is massively overshadowed but his faults. Against man city in the second half his total lack of effort was an embarrasment, the rest of the team really tried, but Bryan decided it was OK to walk through the entire 45 minutes. For a player with so called ability, his shot straight at hart was a pathetic excuse, I had expected to see the net bulge.
Sorry to be so down on him but he really isn't doing it and I would prefer a hardworker with no 'flair' unitil we get a properely talented player.
By the way I noticed years ago that the players that perform best also work the hardest. I saw mario Kempes once, an imensely talented player and his work rate was something to behold. Personally i would forgive him if he was really putting in the effort.
Yawn.
You are becoming a parody of yourself.
A parody?
Me?
Surely not.
However i do express my own opinion and try to give reasons as to why I hold it.
What perhaps you could have asked, if you wanted to engage in a proper discussion was
' Nose, my old fruit and nut, if you think you are so clever, what would you have done differently?'
But seeing as you are sleepy and already yawning I shall keep the reply to myself....
Quote from: costarican white on October 01, 2012, 03:04:24 PM
Sarcastic mode on.
Interesting, I was going to say something about the team performance, but I guess I saw another game and many of you saw the Ruiz versus Man C game.
Sarcastic mode off.
Good point. I think the problem is that ruiz seems to divide some of us. there are those that think he is a real talent who influences games and is a major threat to the opposition. And those, like me that get a bit put out because he doesn't seem to fire on all cylinders and especially during the second half against city he really never put in the effort, and effort is a minimum requirement.
But you are right I have not engaged in a proper review of the game. so for what it is worth i thought Man city were far far better than us but we acquitted ourselves really well under the circumstances. in truth the centre of our midfield is extremely lightweight and we need a much greater prescence there. I like baird there but he needs a better partner than sidwell. Just when it looked like we had got away witha draw disater struck wityh an individual error, but that is always possible when under such pressure.
I di think the substitutions were wrong but I don't know if petric was still injured. I like kaka but would have rplaced ruiz with him (not as an argument that is just what i would have tried). Baird leaving the field was a disaster.
But in the end the quality of the repsective benches spoke volumes, look at the three they brought on compared to what we can do.
Once again good post!
it's threads like these that make me pleased that FofF has that "ignore" button. :beer:
@Nose
I am very aware that you give your opinion. Rarely a thread goes by without you mentioning Ruiz and why he was a waste of money. This is indicative of your comments whenever you mention Ruiz:
The problem with ruiz is that he is ponderous in possesion, loses the ball cheaply far too often and generally when it hurts us
and
Sorry to be so down on him but he really isn't doing it and I would prefer a hardworker with no 'flair' unitil we get a properely talented player
Now it is fine to be of that opinion but it is not borne out by the facts. For example, last season just before he was injured, he covered the most ground out of anyone in the team for several matches including Bolton away (where he was injured and did not complete 90 mins). This includes the likes of Andy Johnson and Damien Duff, both considered to be workhorses. Against Man City he made the third most tackles and interceptions out of anyone on the team - surely this is indicating that he is putting in enough of a shift.
As for his passing, the idea that he gives the ball away a lot is not reflected at all in the stats. There is no doubt he struggled at points against City and had only 72% pass success rate, but the whole team struggled and no one performed particularly well with the ball. He also made the most passes out of anyone in the Fulham team. Despite giving the ball away he did create one of only two 'key passes' (i.e. passes that could lead to goals) on the day. If we look at the season as a whole, he has a better pass success rate than Dimitar Berbatov this season and if you are about to say 'but he does nothing with it', he also makes two key passes a match, the best in the team bar berbatov.
Last season Ruiz struggled but statistically had a similar output to the likes of Duff (who was lauded as having an excellent season). This year he has come on leaps and bounds, is stronger in the tackle, better in possession and crucially, is helping to run the team creatively.
But hey, it is easier to stick to the 'Ruiz is a wimp and a lazy foreigner' idea that started last season because any other judgement would require a bit of thought.
You can find all the stats here: http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/170 (http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/170)
He was on fire in the first half hour, and seemed determined to prove a point.
But, yes, he did lose possession a lot in the second half, but as a team we struggled to keep possession, or mount any attacks.
I, myself, didn't think he could be faulted for effort, but maybe lost confidence, or belief. Well, it was particularly hard for the attacking Fulham players out there.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on October 01, 2012, 03:47:16 PM
@Nose
I am very aware that you give your opinion. Rarely a thread goes by without you mentioning Ruiz and why he was a waste of money. This is indicative of your comments whenever you mention Ruiz:
The problem with ruiz is that he is ponderous in possesion, loses the ball cheaply far too often and generally when it hurts us
and
Sorry to be so down on him but he really isn't doing it and I would prefer a hardworker with no 'flair' unitil we get a properely talented player
Now it is fine to be of that opinion but it is not borne out by the facts. For example, last season just before he was injured, he covered the most ground out of anyone in the team for several matches including Bolton away (where he was injured and did not complete 90 mins). This includes the likes of Andy Johnson and Damien Duff, both considered to be workhorses. Against Man City he made the third most tackles and interceptions out of anyone on the team - surely this is indicating that he is putting in enough of a shift.
As for his passing, the idea that he gives the ball away a lot is not reflected at all in the stats. There is no doubt he struggled at points against City and had only 72% pass success rate, but the whole team struggled and no one performed particularly well with the ball. He also made the most passes out of anyone in the Fulham team. Despite giving the ball away he did create one of only two 'key passes' (i.e. passes that could lead to goals) on the day. If we look at the season as a whole, he has a better pass success rate than Dimitar Berbatov this season and if you are about to say 'but he does nothing with it', he also makes two key passes a match, the best in the team bar berbatov.
Last season Ruiz struggled but statistically had a similar output to the likes of Duff (who was lauded as having an excellent season). This year he has come on leaps and bounds, is stronger in the tackle, better in possession and crucially, is helping to run the team creatively.
But hey, it is easier to stick to the 'Ruiz is a wimp and a lazy foreigner' idea that started last season because any other judgement would require a bit of thought.
You can find all the stats here: http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/170 (http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/170)
Very well put. Ruiz at bolton played exceptionally well it was a real shame that he got badly injured on that of all days. I had wondered if he was actually turning some kind of psychological corner on that day. Unquestionably his best game for me.
Regarding my comments they are a bit more technical than you have touched on, namely the endlss use of the outside of the foot and turning into trouble over and over. He gives the ball away cheaply too often is what I said and stand by, the stats are very misleading in pass completion terms because they don't diferentiate between what the player is attempting or when he is attempting it.
Ruiz had an OK first half V city, not greta but OK he had two stand out touches one which i am not sure he meant to Petric (I honestly think he was nudged from behind, it looked from where I was that he wanted to run with the ball) and one to duff. But he was poor in the second half.
My irritationis when people say he was MoM and crack him up to be some revalation.
Honestly I think if Jol is a good as he now seems to be then Ruiz will have to do more than he is.
And I will be happy to be proved wrong. I have to admit last season I was far from a Jol fan, thios season i am delighted with what he is trying to do. I like the more attacking style, wingers, a bit more flair. I have changed my mind, when Ruiz plays well for a whole game, like bolton, I will say so.
@nose
He gives the ball away cheaply too often is what I said and stand by, the stats are very misleading in pass completion terms because they don't diferentiate between what the player is attempting or when he is attempting it.
You are conflating two different things and I have dealt with both. Firstly, his good pass completion rate shows that he doesnt give the ball away consistently, and secondly the number of 'key passes' being amongst the highest in the team (after Berba) shows that when he has the ball, he is often trying to make difficult passes.
QuoteHe was on fire in the first half hour, and seemed determined to prove a point.
But, yes, he did lose possession a lot in the second half
That's how I saw it. That half an hour gave me hope. Otherwise I didn't think much of him before that game
Quote from: nose on October 01, 2012, 03:21:36 PM
Quote from: costarican white on October 01, 2012, 03:04:24 PM
Sarcastic mode on.
Interesting, I was going to say something about the team performance, but I guess I saw another game and many of you saw the Ruiz versus Man C game.
Sarcastic mode off.
Good point. I think the problem is that ruiz seems to divide some of us. there are those that think he is a real talent who influences games and is a major threat to the opposition. And those, like me that get a bit put out because he doesn't seem to fire on all cylinders and especially during the second half against city he really never put in the effort, and effort is a minimum requirement.
But you are right I have not engaged in a proper review of the game. so for what it is worth i thought Man city were far far better than us but we acquitted ourselves really well under the circumstances. in truth the centre of our midfield is extremely lightweight and we need a much greater prescence there. I like baird there but he needs a better partner than sidwell. Just when it looked like we had got away witha draw disater struck wityh an individual error, but that is always possible when under such pressure.
I di think the substitutions were wrong but I don't know if petric was still injured. I like kaka but would have rplaced ruiz with him (not as an argument that is just what i would have tried). Baird leaving the field was a disaster.
But in the end the quality of the repsective benches spoke volumes, look at the three they brought on compared to what we can do.
Once again good post!
Thanks, you got my point. My personal opinion on Ruiz's performance? regular, just like the rest of the team.
It impresses me that Ruiz has beefed up and now can shrug off players. He does sometimes run into cul de sacs but in my view he gets better every game. if he starts scoring and setting up goals he will look very different to the fans.
I've read - in this thread and elsewhere - that none of our starters or bench players would merit even a spot on the Citeh bench. Can this be true? Seems to me Hangeland is at least as good as the center back who played alongside Kompany, probably better. Joe Hart is highly regarded, but his goals/shots ratio isn't great, maybe his defense blocks lots of shots that get through to other keepers; Schwarzer is his equal, isn't he?
Our guys didn't match up well on the wings, in the middle, or up front, though. And we didn't have a Balotelli, a Nasri, or a Dzeko to sub in. But I'm stunned by the notion no FFC player would make the MC squad.
I'm disappointed by the result, yet never expected anything else. More concerned that we'll play down to Soton's level than that we lost to a superior (and much more expensive) team.
Quote from: Rupert on September 29, 2012, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on September 29, 2012, 09:44:31 PM
Very Funny though....Fulham supporters glorifying a team which has had those results in a non so distance past....lol
Sep 15
Stoke City
1-1
Manchester City
Sep 18
Real Madrid
3-2
Manchester City
Sep 23
Manchester City
1-1
Arsenal
Sep 25
Manchester City
2-4
Aston Villa
Fulham supporters are very pleased and happy losing to a team who they believe is the greatest ever...lol...That's the excuse?
Lol, Fulham supporters reacting what they saw on the pitch today, lol, being smart enough to understand that past results guarantee nothing, lol, nobody has said they are pleased and happy, lol, well, apart from you, lol, who seems to be relishing the chance to put the boot into those he deems to be unworthy, lol.
No doubt if we had scraped a 1-0 win you would be whinging that it wasn't 2-0.
I suppose you will be one of those, when we finally get relegated, who will be there, beating his breast, shouting, "I Told You So!"
It's a strange way to show your support, but if it makes you happy, and judging by the constant lolling it does, well, good luck with it.
And please forgive me if I think that sort of "support" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
"The classy Germans
gave out-of-sorts Manchester City a Champions League
lesson "
"City had created plenty of openings in an end-to-end first period,
but were second best after the interval and only numerous stops from their No.1 prevented the game being over long before the final whistle."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/274131/report (http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/274131/report)
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4570566/Manchester-City-1-1-Borussia-Dortmund-Match-report-pictures-and-video-highlights.html#ixzz28HoaTMrX (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4570566/Manchester-City-1-1-Borussia-Dortmund-Match-report-pictures-and-video-highlights.html#ixzz28HoaTMrX)
Hello Big Citeh lovers.....lol...anyone willing to enlighten me again?...lol...joke of a team with plenty of such supporters i guess......lol... 064.gif
Well i for one thought Ruiz had an excellent game. Better than anyone else on the team. Not sure why some don't rate, even after reading the comments I still don't see it. Some I know are only on this site for only one player but not sure what else the guy needs to do. He is just coming back from an injury and played an excellent match.
Passing was excellent. Vision excellent. Held onto the ball well. He will be our player of this season before its all over.
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on October 04, 2012, 01:54:01 AM
The classy Germans gave out-of-sorts Manchester City a Champions League lesson "
"City had created plenty of openings in an end-to-end first period, but were second best after the interval and only numerous stops from their No.1 prevented the game being over long before the final whistle."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/274131/report (http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/274131/report)
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4570566/Manchester-City-1-1-Borussia-Dortmund-Match-report-pictures-and-video-highlights.html#ixzz28HoaTMrX (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4570566/Manchester-City-1-1-Borussia-Dortmund-Match-report-pictures-and-video-highlights.html#ixzz28HoaTMrX)
Hello Big Citeh lovers.....lol...anyone willing to enlighten me again?...lol...joke of a team with plenty of such supporters i guess......lol... 064.gif
Hello there. What exactly is your point?
That german bundesliga is the poo and the Champions League finalists only managed to finish 2nd behind a world unknown team of Dortmund? Remind us where your beloved team finished in the CL last season and you could also share their success in Europa League. Can you remind us also what was the aggregate score of the last two league meetings between your favourite club and this crappy team you are laughing at and what did you think about them after those two games?
My point is to laugh at people like you who don't care to read what i said,never mind understand.... :dft012: 064.gif
Quote from: jazz hardrockin on October 04, 2012, 04:13:22 AM
My point is to laugh at people like you who don't care to read what i said,never mind understand.... :dft012: 064.gif
acutally your posts give the impression of one not old enough to have a worthy opinion on anything... the only opinion you seem to have is "lol"
I am so glad to help you look better...lol...lol....
BTW Borussia Dortmund are an excellant team, better than Bayern Munich and could probably beat alot of Prem teams
I see that the troll is back, and, oh look, he's talking about his favourite subject, how wonderful he thinks he is.
Bless.
At least somebody does. 064.gif
Yeah, very scientific approach to explain you are lost for words I should say....lol...I was so looking forward you get educational again.lol
Amen
