so apparently we've got somebody in for a medical and its a mystery as to who it is, any ideas? i think martin jol said he's managed him before
Yep if you look further down the threads it was discussed and a number of names were put forward. But somehow I don't think whoever it is will change our season much.
Simon Peach of the PA seems pretty convinced it's Mickaël Tavares, based on hints Jol had dropped last week.
Quote from: btings on October 01, 2012, 11:10:49 PM
Simon Peach of the PA seems pretty convinced it's Mickaël Tavares, based on hints Jol had dropped last week.
Have very strong links with people in boro football club and he was signed on loan but they turned down the chance to sign perm as he was not good enough and very slow. I hope to god we have not gone in for him
It does seem a bit strange to me us picking up another freebie CM when Diarra is only out for 4 weeks and our squad isn't in that bad a shape really.
For me I'd just wait until January and spend some money to get someone decent rather than pick up a sub-standard free player.
Quote from: Andy_M on October 02, 2012, 12:07:32 PM
It does seem a bit strange to me us picking up another freebie CM when Diarra is only out for 4 weeks and our squad isn't in that bad a shape really.
For me I'd just wait until January and spend some money to get someone decent rather than pick up a sub-standard free player.
Why not do both. And we're down to the bare bones in central mid really, even if you count in Diarra.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on October 02, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: Andy_M on October 02, 2012, 12:07:32 PM
It does seem a bit strange to me us picking up another freebie CM when Diarra is only out for 4 weeks and our squad isn't in that bad a shape really.
For me I'd just wait until January and spend some money to get someone decent rather than pick up a sub-standard free player.
Why not do both. And we're down to the bare bones in central mid really, even if you count in Diarra.
baird sidwell diarra and the greek. bare bones? no lacking real quality but then i doubt the new bloke will be the real quality we are all hoping for
Sidwell, ok
Diarra, injured
Baird, injured
Karagounis, bit part player
We definitely could do with another one in there, just to make sure we're not down to Karagounis-Smith if Sidders gets injured too.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 02, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on October 02, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: Andy_M on October 02, 2012, 12:07:32 PM
It does seem a bit strange to me us picking up another freebie CM when Diarra is only out for 4 weeks and our squad isn't in that bad a shape really.
For me I'd just wait until January and spend some money to get someone decent rather than pick up a sub-standard free player.
Why not do both. And we're down to the bare bones in central mid really, even if you count in Diarra.
baird sidwell diarra and the greek. bare bones? no lacking real quality but then i doubt the new bloke will be the real quality we are all hoping for
4 players for two spots with two of them being 32+ and injury prone.. I think Jol is playing it safe by bringing another CM. Just gives us another option and on a short term deal there can't be much harm.
With what we have, picking up another free CM is the bare minimum and hope we hold up til January when we buy a CM to start with Diarra - if he's able to stay healthy.
if it is the guy that was on loan at boro, a guy i work with supports them and he said he was the worst player ever to pull on a boro shirt. surely there are better free agents if we need to sign one
If it is Tavares I assume Jol thinks he can turn around what looks like a desperately disappointing career to date mainly spent in lower division football or in reserve teams.
Diarra was a real class free, this one looks highly risky but he is only 28 at least. he will be a long way from match fit.
diarra will be back in 4 weeks anyway
Murphy or Beckham!
Quote from: A Humble Man on October 02, 2012, 02:58:09 PM
If it is Tavares I assume Jol thinks he can turn around what looks like a desperately disappointing career to date mainly spent in lower division football or in reserve teams.
Slavia Prague, Hamburg and Nuremberg are hardly 'lower division teams'.....
Oh, and he's almost 30 - and there's absolutely no risk.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on October 02, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
Quote from: A Humble Man on October 02, 2012, 02:58:09 PM
If it is Tavares I assume Jol thinks he can turn around what looks like a desperately disappointing career to date mainly spent in lower division football or in reserve teams.
Slavia Prague, Hamburg and Nuremberg are hardly 'lower division teams'.....
Oh, and he's almost 30 - and there's absolutely no risk.
Here is his record , not that much top division experience.
League Stats
Seison Club Land League Cup
Division Matches Goals Cards Type Matches Goal
red card yellow card
2006 - 2007 Tours FC 2 5 0 - - ? ? /
2007 - 2008 Slavia Prague II 3 5 0 0 0 - - -
2007 - 2008 Slavia Prague 1 22 2 2 0 C1 7 0
2008 - 2009 Slavia Prague 1 14 1 ? ? C1+C3 2+1 0
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Quote from: fulhamross on October 02, 2012, 03:50:36 PM
diarra will be back in 4 weeks anyway
But will he go off to play for Mali in January?
Quote from: A Humble Man on October 02, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
Quote from: FFCAli on October 02, 2012, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: fulhamross on October 02, 2012, 03:50:36 PM
diarra will be back in 4 weeks anyway
But will he go off to play for Mali in January?
Senegal
Mahamadou Diarra - the one who plays for Fulham - plays for his native country, i.e. Mali.
Quote from: A Humble Man on October 02, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
Quote from: FFCAli on October 02, 2012, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: fulhamross on October 02, 2012, 03:50:36 PM
diarra will be back in 4 weeks anyway
But will he go off to play for Mali in January?
Senegal
you mean he just unretired and came back into the national team of Mali so he can play for Senegal? :Haynes The Maestro: :doh:
Whoever it is,he will not be match fit and will not be used to our players.
Quote from: KCat on October 02, 2012, 05:24:12 PM
Whoever it is,he will not be match fit and will not be used to our players.
Tavares trained with Hamburgs reserves for most of the time and will have had private training. It's a modern fairytale that players are necessarily 'unfit' when they are without a club for a few months.
And Jol and Petric know him.
Quote from: ffcbulgaria on October 02, 2012, 05:06:56 PM
Quote from: A Humble Man on October 02, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
Quote from: FFCAli on October 02, 2012, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: fulhamross on October 02, 2012, 03:50:36 PM
diarra will be back in 4 weeks anyway
But will he go off to play for Mali in January?
Senegal
you mean he just unretired and came back into the national team of Mali so he can play for Senegal? :Haynes The Maestro: :doh:
Tavares plays for Senegal. The subject keeps changing.
Shame we didn't keep Gecov who could have filled a hole. We have got Kasami and would it be such a bad idea to give Minkwintz (?) a game depending on the opposition?
Alex has left Fenerbahce. I can dream right?
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Quote from: elgreenio on October 02, 2012, 08:11:48 PM
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he was utter class for them, but he's around 80 years old surely?
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he was utter class for them, but he's around 80 years old surely?
Almost...35 apparently, so should fit in with our current youth policy.
Still doing it for Fenerbahce last season.
Any idea why the sudden termination of contract? (Other than his Zimmer frame was taking up too much dressing-room space.)
With the news of all the players returning from the treatment table not sure we need another player unless they are something special and can hit the ground running who can seriuosly compete with Diarra, Baird, Sidwell and Karagounis for a place in the centre of midfield. we certainly do not need another squad player.
Is this just fantasy are we caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on October 03, 2012, 11:55:16 AM
With the news of all the players returning from the treatment table not sure we need another player unless they are something special and can hit the ground running who can seriuosly compete with Diarra, Baird, Sidwell and Karagounis for a place in the centre of midfield. we certainly do not need another squad player.
We certainly DO need another CM squad player.
However good or not so good the central midfielders are that we already have. They all play in a similar way. We really need a different style of central midfielder to add to the changes should we need them.
If Diarra is back in 4 weeks I'm not sure we need someone in there as 1 week we have off for international break, with Diarra Baird Sidwell and Karagounis we have enough to see us through till January where we can invest properly, Richardson and Kasami can also play in there
Quote from: MrFFC on October 03, 2012, 11:58:18 PM
If Diarra is back in 4 weeks I'm not sure we need someone in there as 1 week we have off for international break, with Diarra Baird Sidwell and Karagounis we have enough to see us through till January where we can invest properly, Richardson and Kasami can also play in there
Have you seen the debuts of Karagounis and Richardson? And Kasami is a winger, I believe. We desperately need a CM...
Quote from: farfouille on October 04, 2012, 06:03:40 AM
Quote from: MrFFC on October 03, 2012, 11:58:18 PM
If Diarra is back in 4 weeks I'm not sure we need someone in there as 1 week we have off for international break, with Diarra Baird Sidwell and Karagounis we have enough to see us through till January where we can invest properly, Richardson and Kasami can also play in there
Have you seen the debuts of Karagounis and Richardson? And Kasami is a winger, I believe. We desperately need a CM...
Very harsh, 10 minutes at the end of a game when we were under the cosh and a debut 48 hours after arriving when the team in general performed poorly is no time to make a judgement on players. Richardson was rated by the sunderland fans that saw him week in week out and karagounis did not look at at all shabby playing for greece in the summer
We've been talking on this board for years about needing a "Murph replacement" even when we had Murph because it was evident that he was getting towards the end of his playing days at this level.
Now we've lost Murph, Etuhu, Dembele, Gecov released, and Dempsey the need is even more acute. Ok, we've got Diarra in and winger Richardson but that still leaves us short. Karagounis is a stop-gap, Sidwell isn't a Murph in my book, Baird is our utility player and has much to offer but he's no Murph either.
I assume that Dembele leaving at the last minute caught us cold but, with the likelihood of Dempsey's departure always pretty strong, I would have hoped that we'd have had the "right player" lined up rather than being thrown back onto free agents or waiting for January when prices are always higher, especially with our need so obvious.
Berbatov's arrival was great, thank you, but he had other choices and wasn't guaranteed. What then?
It seems to me that there wasn't really a Plan A let alone a Plan B. Unless Mr Jol knows different, in which case it would be nice to be reassured even if he can't give details.
I don't see what Dempsey's departure has to do with our midfield problems.
The failure to bring in a Dembele replacement seemed to be down to last minute negotiation and/or fitness issues which would have been outside Jol's remit.
Berbatov's arrival was great, thank you, but he had other choices and wasn't guaranteed. What then?
So if we get our man it's luck and if we don't it's bad management?
Quote from: Holders on October 04, 2012, 07:26:18 AM
We've been talking on this board for years about needing a "Murph replacement" even when we had Murph because it was evident that he was getting towards the end of his playing days at this level.
Now we've lost Murph, Etuhu, Dembele, Gecov released, and Dempsey the need is even more acute. Ok, we've got Diarra in and winger Richardson but that still leaves us short. Karagounis is a stop-gap, Sidwell isn't a Murph in my book, Baird is our utility player and has much to offer but he's no Murph either.
I assume that Dembele leaving at the last minute caught us cold but, with the likelihood of Dempsey's departure always pretty strong, I would have hoped that we'd have had the "right player" lined up rather than being thrown back onto free agents or waiting for January when prices are always higher, especially with our need so obvious.
Berbatov's arrival was great, thank you, but he had other choices and wasn't guaranteed. What then?
It seems to me that there wasn't really a Plan A let alone a Plan B. Unless Mr Jol knows different, in which case it would be nice to be reassured even if he can't give details.
Plan A was a Diarra and Dembele midfield which would have been a big upgrade on the Etuhu-Murphy combination we started last season with.
Jol obviously thought we could keep Dembele till Jan at least then send him to Madrid but alas Dembele wanted to move straight away and the £15m was a relatively good deal for the club.
After that we had 2 days to find a replacement. Remember, we cannot afford to have real quality sitting on the bench, so I would assume that the lack of 'quality' midfield cover was down to that. The fact we couldn't get anyone in is disappointing and I am sure that Jol and Alistair Mac are as upset as we are that things did not come off.
In the mean time we will muddle through till Jan and probably be fine. If we still had Dembele (and a fit Diarra) though, we would be one hell of a team
what ever happened to our interest in vadis odjidja - ofoe? he is still at brugge and rumour has it that everton will be in for him in Jan - should we go in for him?
Quote from: MasterHaynes on October 04, 2012, 07:22:49 AM
Very harsh, 10 minutes at the end of a game when we were under the cosh and a debut 48 hours after arriving when the team in general performed poorly is no time to make a judgement on players. Richardson was rated by the sunderland fans that saw him week in week out and karagounis did not look at at all shabby playing for greece in the summer
OK, you are probably right about Karagounis, but I am not sure he will be able to play a whole match at that age. Regarding Richardson - imo, he made an awful match and I don't know how long it will take him to improve/adapt.
Well it is too late to have a new player ready for the Southampton match so we will have to get by with what we have.
Any news on Baird?
