Granted it was going to be difficult after Schwartzer had his first error in a very long time, the quality of Hangeland and Reithner vs. Kelley and Senderos seemed the difference of 1-1 and 0-3. Kelly and Senderos are fine players but they lack confidence, playing time, and probably quality too.
Dont lie to yourself senderos and kelly are an absolute joke, i stopped watching the moment kelly came on.
Kelly didn't do much wrong from what I saw? Senderos did mess up for the second and third, but IMO it was all down to Schwartzer's error. Without that there would be no need to push on for a equaliser, and whilst it didn't really show that the team were I'd imagine the players minds were definitely on it.
All in all, the squad is good enough for decent replacements of decent players, but not good replacements for good players. That's where the issues have been. For all of Hangeland's issues this season, he has been consistently OK. Replacing him with a player who is consistently average and prone to error isn't ideal. There is no replacement for Ruiz IMO. Hopefully Riether won't be out too long, as Kelly isn't a good replacement but an OK one. Kaca adds width down the left that no one else does.
Karagounis shouldve played behind berbatov.
Nothing frustrates me more than seeing berbatov playing off the striker, its such a waste of talent. Petric is good but nowhere near berbatovs quality
Quote from: God The Mechanic on December 01, 2012, 04:58:34 PM
Kelly didn't do much wrong from what I saw? Senderos did mess up for the second and third, but IMO it was all down to Schwartzer's error. Without that there would be no need to push on for a equaliser, and whilst it didn't really show that the team were I'd imagine the players minds were definitely on it.
All in all, the squad is good enough for decent replacements of decent players, but not good replacements for good players. That's where the issues have been. For all of Hangeland's issues this season, he has been consistently OK. Replacing him with a player who is consistently average and prone to error isn't ideal. There is no replacement for Ruiz IMO. Hopefully Riether won't be out too long, as Kelly isn't a good replacement but an OK one. Kaca adds width down the left that no one else does.
I thought Kelly was as much at fault, or maybe more so, for the second, for not closing Siggurdson down. But the match was heading for 0-0 or 1-0 until Schwarzer's howler.
Kelly and Senderos weren't terrible, Senderos was to blame for the second, but he also got totally isolated against a fresh Sigurdsson who had just come on. That being said, Riether and Hangeland and both MUCH better. It's really a shame how injury prone Bryan is, because Jol's game plan relies very heavily on him going forward and we're much more of an attacking threat with him pulling the strings. I think its pretty clear that we play better with real width (i.e. Kaca or even Richardson over Rodallega and Frei), and I like Dejagah but I feel he's a better impact sub than a starter, I'd like to see Duff start over him and swapping them around the hour mark. Disappointing result, but it once we have a fit squad, it will only get better.
i thought kelly did ok seeing as it was his first game all season, senderos for the 2nd and 3rd goals was just shocking he's been playing pro football for the best part of 10 years yet he looks like an amatuer getting beaten too easily and trying to play offside when really he should not have been back there, first rule of defending is hold the line which he didn't. But this guy dejagah really got on my tits, he is just a complete waste of space, his touch is poor, no vision, cant cross it, dribbles and loses it. I thought he was good when he made his first couple of appearances but now i'm like "Jol, what were u thinking?"
Dejagah is someone who adds pace, and his crossing is decent. For me, him and duff should be first choice wingers
he sucks man
Quote from: mikecdawg-ffc on December 01, 2012, 05:14:10 PM
he sucks man
Nonsense, he had a tough game because he was being defended by 3 players every time he broke down the right, but notice how anonymous Gareth Bale was today? Dejagah is quality, he just doesn't have the engine for 90 minutes
I haven't seen any quality come from him thus far, he just gets the head down and runs, doesn't look for his team mates. It's so frustrating.
Quote from: God The Mechanic on December 01, 2012, 04:58:34 PM
Kelly didn't do much wrong from what I saw? Senderos did mess up for the second and third, but IMO it was all down to Schwartzer's error. Without that there would be no need to push on for a equaliser, and whilst it didn't really show that the team were I'd imagine the players minds were definitely on it.
All in all, the squad is good enough for decent replacements of decent players, but not good replacements for good players. That's where the issues have been. For all of Hangeland's issues this season, he has been consistently OK. Replacing him with a player who is consistently average and prone to error isn't ideal. There is no replacement for Ruiz IMO. Hopefully Riether won't be out too long, as Kelly isn't a good replacement but an OK one. Kaca adds width down the left that no one else does.
Hughes left Defoe unmarked for the second, he should take some of the blame.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on December 01, 2012, 05:02:03 PM
Karagounis shouldve played behind berbatov.
Nothing frustrates me more than seeing berbatov playing off the striker, its such a waste of talent. Petric is good but nowhere near berbatovs quality
You may be right there. Karagounis does have a creative bent.
Quote from: mikecdawg-ffc on December 01, 2012, 05:23:08 PM
I haven't seen any quality come from him thus far, he just gets the head down and runs, doesn't look for his team mates. It's so frustrating.
I seem to recall a certain player whom was playing against us today starting that way.
That wasn't Schwarzer first mistake in a long time. I can put a number of goals this season down to him not coming for crosses or not coming out quick enough. I've lost faith in him
You can get away with one of them in the team, but both and also Hughes out of his best position and your asking for trouble.
Kelly is ok backup and Can be solid but is below starter level.
Senderos...the jury may have out for a while, but I think the verdict came in today.
Quote from: Jambo on December 01, 2012, 06:04:18 PM
That wasn't Schwarzer first mistake in a long time. I can put a number of goals this season down to him not coming for crosses or not coming out quick enough. I've lost faith in him
That is a fair assesment. I guess today it seemed to change the game and very clear for all to see.
A lot of what was going on out there was about the younger players learning their trade and four of our better players missing. Everyone is going on about defence but with a full squad they wouldn't have been under so much pressure as they were today. I love Diarra's skill and passing ability but he thinks he is still playing in La Liga not the toughest league in the world.
Quote from: mikecdawg-ffc on December 01, 2012, 05:23:08 PM
I haven't seen any quality come from him thus far, he just gets the head down and runs, doesn't look for his team mates. It's so frustrating.
You sure you're not confusing him with Frei? - that's a good description of what Frei was like today.
I think Senderos did OK, bar that poor attempt for offside trap. He's improving. Get off his back
Quote from: Count Berbatov on December 01, 2012, 07:40:07 PM
I think Senderos did OK, bar that poor attempt for offside trap. He's improving. Get off his back
I beg to differ. He's not some raw youngster, he's an international player who for some reason seems to have no composure.
He is at times far too tight to the player and must have tried at least 3 times today to get in front of player and intercept the pass, but either got turned or it was all messy and got away with it. He's always playing in a nervous way.
Bar one pass good pass in the second half, he had a touch of the Etuhu's about him. Passing it to players who already had 1/2 players around them.
Quote from: CanadianCottager on December 01, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
Quote from: mikecdawg-ffc on December 01, 2012, 05:14:10 PM
he sucks man
Nonsense, he had a tough game because he was being defended by 3 players every time he broke down the right, but notice how anonymous Gareth Bale was today? Dejagah is quality, he just doesn't have the engine for 90 minutes
I thought Dejagah looked good. He needs to know when to pass and cross. Much like Dembele when he first arrived.
Senderos proved beyond doubt that he should never wear a Fulham shirt again. I have been saying this for a year. Time for him to move on. Kelly and Sidwell are just not good enough. Time for them to go. Hugo, who I wanted, has a slight chance of surviving, but I am beginning to think that it is unlikely. So Mr. Jol you need to spend in January. We need to replace Murphy and Dembele and we need to some defensive cover.
Sidwell is decent. Should be used as a replacement for diarra though when we get a more creative player in *cough* strootman *cough*
We're in no position to shift any players on. We need more players on top of what we already have.
Quote from: MJG on December 01, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on December 01, 2012, 07:40:07 PM
I think Senderos did OK, bar that poor attempt for offside trap. He's improving. Get off his back
I beg to differ. He's not some raw youngster, he's an international player who for some reason seems to have no composure.
He is at times far too tight to the player and must have tried at least 3 times today to get in front of player and intercept the pass, but either got turned or it was all messy and got away with it. He's always playing in a nervous way.
Bar one pass good pass in the second half, he had a touch of the Etuhu's about him. Passing it to players who already had 1/2 players around them.
I was trying to stay positive. He makes me nervous as hell. That said, he gets better with each game. Maybe lacks a run of games..
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What we lack is pace. The only player who started that has a lot was Frei and the lad was clueless today. The Iranian has a bit but no one else does. Our defense has always been slow but usually organized, That seem to escape us in the latter stages today. Berba needs the ball and someone making a run. The few times that situation occured, Berba did his part but neither Sidwell, Petric or the Iranian could finish.
Sidwell is alright he is in good form, I agree that Senderos is really really poor
I thought Sidwell was brilliant in the first half today and he should stay and he needs to play like that every game
Just hope we can get someone in January to cover for Ruiz as Berbatov is a striker not a covering midfielder also Kelly done well when he came on inplace of Reither
If you think Hangeland would have made any difference yesterday, based in his form THIS SEASON, you are mistaken.
It wasn't Senderos that let the first goal in, which changed the whole game. It wasn't Senderos' fault that our forwards (Berbatov and later Duff apart) can't cross the ball, keep the ball or spot a pass, or that the midfield is devoid of creativity.
If we had got the first goal they would have folded, the reality is neither team were at the races
they all looked like they had their Christmas party last night . Reither going off did not make any difference
and the third goal was way offside
the second .............defending the indefencable
the first ................
We have a goalkeeper out on loan. bring him back
Quote from: Snibbo on December 01, 2012, 10:27:37 PM
If you think Hangeland would have made any difference yesterday, based in his form THIS SEASON, you are mistaken.
It wasn't Senderos that let the first goal in, which changed the whole game. It wasn't Senderos' fault that our forwards (Berbatov and later Duff apart) can't cross the ball, keep the ball or spot a pass, or that the midfield is devoid of creativity.
Yep but some people have to blame one person otherwise their heads explode. One person has to be blamed. To blame the transfer window, injury problems, no pace up front and a keeper way past his best is just too big to contemplate. Has to be an easy answer.
Quote from: The Rock on December 01, 2012, 04:53:11 PM
Granted it was going to be difficult after Schwartzer had his first error in a very long time, the quality of Hangeland and Reithner vs. Kelley and Senderos seemed the difference of 1-1 and 0-3. Kelly and Senderos are fine players but they lack confidence, playing time, and probably quality too.
First time Ive ever seen Senderos described as a fine player. You're either seriously deluded or taking the piss. He is a grade A donkey. Slow as a cart horse. He should be playing at Barnet.
Now is the time to replace Shwartzer.
Now is the time to say tata to Senderos
Now is the time to replace Kelly
Reither is on loan one year max
Hangeland contract runs out end of year
Diarra the same
Risse the same
Berbatov the same
Petric The same
Frei not good enough yet
Duff past it
Kacca good in fits and starts
There have to be others. If this is not a crisis it soon could be
This is Fulham, Andy - and it is always a struggle to balance youth and experience, to keep our best players - and managers, to maintain mid table Prem status - and it is such an achievement to have done this for so many years - but it should never be taken for granted.
There is no magic wand - it is only because of Mr Al Fayed's money that we are in the Prem in the first place, and there will always be periods of bad form, and sometimes crisis, but the club has always managed to turn it round and remain a solid Prem team.
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 02, 2012, 12:21:05 AM
Yep but some people have to blame one person otherwise their heads explode. One person has to be blamed. To blame the transfer window, injury problems, no pace up front and a keeper way past his best is just too big to contemplate. Has to be an easy answer.
Ur totally spot on! We lost to both Manchesters because of Senderos too but noone even noticed! ;)
Quote from: PaulJ123 on December 01, 2012, 08:42:00 PM
Sidwell is decent. Should be used as a replacement for diarra though when we get a more creative player in *cough* strootman *cough*
decent but not good enough
Quote from: The Moose on December 01, 2012, 08:43:00 PM
We're in no position to shift any players on. We need more players on top of what we already have.
why?we need to buy in January and get rid of the dead wood
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on December 01, 2012, 10:07:01 PM
Sidwell is alright he is in good form, I agree that Senderos is really really poor
alright but not good enough
Quote from: G.Iniesta on December 01, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
I thought Sidwell was brilliant in the first half today and he should stay and he needs to play like that every game
Just hope we can get someone in January to cover for Ruiz as Berbatov is a striker not a covering midfielder also Kelly done well when he came on inplace of
Reither
sidwell was not brilliant. He tried but is not good enough
Quote from: Snibbo on December 01, 2012, 10:27:37 PM
If you think Hangeland would have made any difference yesterday, based in his form THIS SEASON, you are mistaken.
It wasn't Senderos that let the first goal in, which changed the whole game. It
wasn't Senderos' fault that our forwards (Berbatov and later Duff apart) can't
cross the ball, keep the ball or spot a pass, or that the midfield is devoid of creativity.
you cannot seriously think that Hangeland would have made the same mistakes as Senderos?
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 02, 2012, 12:21:05 AM
Quote from: Snibbo on December 01, 2012, 10:27:37 PM
If you think Hangeland would have made any difference yesterday, based in his form THIS SEASON, you are mistaken.
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 02, 2012, 12:21:05 AM
Quote from: Snibbo on December 01, 2012, 10:27:37 PM
If you think Hangeland would have made any difference yesterday, based in his form THIS SEASON, you are mistaken.
It wasn't Senderos that let the first goal in, which changed the whole game. It wasn't Senderos' fault that our forwards (Berbatov and later Duff apart) can't cross the ball, keep the ball or spot a pass, or that the midfield is devoid of creativity.
Senderos was a disaster and he needs to go along with Sidwell and Kelly and maybe even Hugo.
Yep but some people have to blame one person otherwise their heads explode. One person has to be blamed. To blame the transfer window, injury problems, no pace up front and a keeper way past his best is just too big to contemplate. Has to be an easy answer.
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 02, 2012, 12:21:05 AM
Quote from: Snibbo on December 01, 2012, 10:27:37 PM
If you think Hangeland would have made any difference yesterday, based in his form THIS SEASON, you are mistaken.
It wasn't Senderos that let the first goal in, which changed the whole game. It wasn't Senderos' fault that our forwards (Berbatov and later Duff apart) can't cross the ball, keep the ball or spot a pass, or that the midfield is devoid of creativity.
Yep but some people have to blame one person otherwise their heads explode. One person has to be blamed. To blame the transfer window, injury problems, no pace up front and a keeper way past his best is just too big to contemplate. Has to be an easy answer.
It wasn't Senderos that let the first goal in, which changed the whole game. It wasn't Senderos' fault that our forwards (Berbatov and later Duff apart) can't cross the ball, keep the ball or spot a pass, or that the midfield is devoid of creativity.
Yep but some people have to blame one person otherwise their heads explode. One person has to be blamed. To blame the transfer window, injury problems, no pace up front and a keeper way past his best is just too big to contemplate. Has to be an easy answer.
Senderos is poor he should be nowhere near our 1st team, Kelly is decent but us quite simply a level below Riether
Quote from: St Eve on December 02, 2012, 06:25:06 AM
Quote from: G.Iniesta on December 01, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
I thought Sidwell was brilliant in the first half today and he should stay and he needs to play like that every game
Just hope we can get someone in January to cover for Ruiz as Berbatov is a striker not a covering midfielder also Kelly done well when he came on inplace of
Reither
sidwell was not brilliant. He tried but is not good enough
Sidwell was MOM for me, shame others don't play with his commitment and energy, and don't slag off Kelly, he came on and did a good job considering that was his first appearance for months. These are human beings not robots, I wonder reading the tosh on here if some have ever kicked a ball or watch the game on a dodgy stream and then sound off about all and sundry, Spent £60 and froze my nuts off to watch that "game" yesterday as did thousands of others, yet the unfounded criticism comes from the arm chair " supporters"
Quote from: epsomraver on December 02, 2012, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: St Eve on December 02, 2012, 06:25:06 AM
Quote from: G.Iniesta on December 01, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
I thought Sidwell was brilliant in the first half today and he should stay and he needs to play like that every game
Just hope we can get someone in January to cover for Ruiz as Berbatov is a striker not a covering midfielder also Kelly done well when he came on inplace of
Reither
sidwell was not brilliant. He tried but is not good enough
Sidwell was MOM for me, shame others don't play with his commitment and energy, and don't slag off Kelly, he came on and did a good job considering that was his first appearance for months. These are human beings not robots, I wonder reading the tosh on here if some have ever kicked a ball or watch the game on a dodgy stream and then sound off about all and sundry, Spent £60 and froze my nuts off to watch that "game" yesterday as did thousands of others, yet the unfounded criticism comes from the arm chair " supporters"
It's funny you say that Epsom, Mr B said a similar thing when a women next to us was slagging off our players constantly at the Wigan away match. He used to row for his school and also for Scotland in the Commonwealth games years ago, he said that people do not understand the training and pressures there are to be a top athlete, physical and psychological pressures, and what it would take to perform in the Prem league for 90 mins at a time. I know they get paid a hell of a lot of money but they are still human even if footballers!
Quote from: PaulJ123 on December 01, 2012, 05:10:37 PM
Dejagah is someone who adds pace, and his crossing is decent. For me, him and duff should be first choice wingers
Duff should be first choice starter - Deja can be brought on..... should have been that way against Spurs.
There's nothing wrong with Kelly. Every game he's played over the last year or so has been good.
Senderos on the other hand... when will people stop standing up for this shower of poo? The guy is an absolute shambles of a defender and is ALWAYS responsible for goals conceded. The sooner we get rid of this mug the better.
Quote from: epsomraver on December 02, 2012, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: St Eve on December 02, 2012, 06:25:06 AM
Quote from: G.Iniesta on December 01, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
I thought Sidwell was brilliant in the first half today and he should stay and he needs to play like that every game
Just hope we can get someone in January to cover for Ruiz as Berbatov is a striker not a covering midfielder also Kelly done well when he came on inplace of
Reither
sidwell was not brilliant. He tried but is not good enough
Sidwell was MOM for me, shame others don't play with his commitment and energy, and don't slag off Kelly, he came on and did a good job considering that was his first appearance for months. These are human beings not robots, I wonder reading the tosh on here if some have ever kicked a ball or watch the game on a dodgy stream and then sound off about all and sundry, Spent £60 and froze my nuts off to watch that "game" yesterday as did thousands of others, yet the unfounded criticism comes from the arm chair " supporters"
If you had a season ticket it would not have been quite such an expensive day out!
Quote from: The Bronsons on December 01, 2012, 06:51:15 PM
Quote from: mikecdawg-ffc on December 01, 2012, 05:23:08 PM
I haven't seen any quality come from him thus far, he just gets the head down and runs, doesn't look for his team mates. It's so frustrating.
You sure you're not confusing him with Frei? - that's a good description of what Frei was like today.
i dont get too frustrated with frei though he's only 18 or 19 dejagah is 26. he should know better
One rule that cannot be broken is that all Fulham players are good, But Senderos it the straw that breaks this rule.
Jol was right first goal changed the game. While I am not a fan of Senderos or Kelly they do not deserve the blame for yesterday. In fact Kelly played well and Senderos did not make obvious errors.
Goals two and three we were carved open. Where was the midfield? And what about covering defenders. One on one Defoe will get the better of most central defenders and put the ball where the keeper least wants it.
That's what he does.
Quote from: Alternative on December 03, 2012, 09:28:40 AM
Jol was right first goal changed the game. While I am not a fan of Senderos or Kelly they do not deserve the blame for yesterday. In fact Kelly played well and Senderos did not make obvious errors.
I have consistently stuck up for Big Phil and was hoping he would prove a lot fo you wrong....Unfortunately, all he did was prove people right. Kelly came on and for some parts took Bale and Lennon on and was forcing them wide etc and was doing a fairly decent job. Phil however had a shocker, defensively unaware, giving the ball away needlessly and generally putting a strain on Hughes and the back players everytime he wandered.
I will say hes not the reason we lost, but I just think he can be more of a liability at times. Regardless thats MY opinion.
I don't think though they were the difference, thats really unfair.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 02, 2012, 12:14:15 PM
There's nothing wrong with Kelly. Every game he's played over the last year or so has been good.
Senderos on the other hand... when will people stop standing up for this shower of sh1t? The guy is an absolute shambles of a defender and is ALWAYS responsible for goals conceded. The sooner we get rid of this mug the better.
This is the sort of one-eyed treatment that boils my blood.
Kelly was at fault for the opening goal against Spurs away last season, the last game he played in fully in the league. He was also bog awful last year, hence the manager feeling he needed to replace him this term.
Senderos didn't have a good game, which can happen with all players. Hughes got ripped a new backside by Felliani and hopelessly outjumped for the equaliser against Southampton, not to mention West Ham away too. There was the odd grumble on here, but not the "Hughes out" type of backlash reserved for Senderos.
It doesn't matter what any of us think, it's whether he can gain the confidence of the manager. Personally, I still think he is worth a game and won't be too concerned if he gets another start or two. However I reckon his days are numbered here as opinion appears to be "hard wired" into a fair few of our support.
Quote from: Rudolph on December 03, 2012, 11:30:11 AM
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 02, 2012, 12:14:15 PM
There's nothing wrong with Kelly. Every game he's played over the last year or so has been good.
Senderos on the other hand... when will people stop standing up for this shower of sh1t? The guy is an absolute shambles of a defender and is ALWAYS responsible for goals conceded. The sooner we get rid of this mug the better.
This is the sort of one-eyed treatment that boils my blood.
Kelly was at fault for the opening goal against Spurs away last season, the last game he played in fully in the league. He was also bog awful last year, hence the manager feeling he needed to replace him this term.
Senderos didn't have a good game, which can happen with all players. Hughes got ripped a new backside by Felliani and hopelessly outjumped for the equaliser against Southampton, not to mention West Ham away too. There was the odd grumble on here, but not the "Hughes out" type of backlash reserved for Senderos.
It doesn't matter what any of us think, it's whether he can gain the confidence of the manager. Personally, I still think he is worth a game and won't be too concerned if he gets another start or two. However I reckon his days are numbered here as opinion appears to be "hard wired" into a fair few of our support.
Massive :plus one: from me.
The telling thing for me on Saturday were not Senderos or Kelly (both of whom were OK).
It was how the heads dropped after the first goal, and there was nobody on the pitch who showed the leadership and drive to pick the team up.
We don't have a natural captain...
i agree with all the posters blaming Senderos that HE was at fault for the goal Chelsea scored on Wednesday
Quote from: mikecdawg-ffc on December 01, 2012, 05:08:23 PM
i thought kelly did ok seeing as it was his first game all season, senderos for the 2nd and 3rd goals was just shocking he's been playing pro football for the best part of 10 years yet he looks like an amatuer getting beaten too easily and trying to play offside when really he should not have been back there, first rule of defending is hold the line which he didn't. But this guy dejagah really got on my tits, he is just a complete waste of space, his touch is poor, no vision, cant cross it, dribbles and loses it. I thought he was good when he made his first couple of appearances but now i'm like "Jol, what were u thinking?"
Ruiz is not Injury prone he is just a good player who get targeted. He was kicked on the back of the leg during the Sunderland game that is how he got his hamstring injury.
Quote from: Count Berbatov on December 01, 2012, 09:47:04 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 01, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on December 01, 2012, 07:40:07 PM
I think Senderos did OK, bar that poor attempt for offside trap. He's improving. Get off his back
I beg to differ. He's not some raw youngster, he's an international player who for some reason seems to have no composure.
He is at times far too tight to the player and must have tried at least 3 times today to get in front of player and intercept the pass, but either got turned or it was all messy and got away with it. He's always playing in a nervous way.
Bar one pass good pass in the second half, he had a touch of the Etuhu's about him. Passing it to players who already had 1/2 players around them.
I was trying to stay positive. He makes me nervous as hell. That said, he gets better with each game. Maybe lacks a run of games..
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For me he is poor then quality then poor again. Case in point Stoke then Chelsea then Spurs.
Quote from: YankeeJim on December 01, 2012, 10:01:31 PM
What we lack is pace. The only player who started that has a lot was Frei and the lad was clueless today. The Iranian has a bit but no one else does. Our defense has always been slow but usually organized, That seem to escape us in the latter stages today. Berba needs the ball and someone making a run. The few times that situation occured, Berba did his part but neither Sidwell, Petric or the Iranian could finish.
Riether is quick, quality going forward and gets back really quickly.
I think there can be little dispute that Senderos has been playing poorly over the past few games. The debate appears to be "Senderos is [fill in the blank in a way that is not censored]," on the one hand, and "He is not entirely to blame" on the other. However, I think it is less evident that he is inherently a poor player. I thought he was immense playing for Switzerland in the World Cup before he was injured (his injuries are a different story), and looked forward to his playing for Fulham. Recall last year the debate as to who was the better partner for Hangeland. While there was a healthy disagreement, it was still a debate. There were legitimate arguments as to why some thought that Senderos was the better choice than Hughes, even if one disagreed with them.
It seems apparent that Senderos is undergoing some crisis of confidence. He seems to go from being overly aggressive to being indecisive in the space of five minutes. I particularly noticed how poor his passing was on Saturday particularly because, for all his flaws, Senderos has been a much better distributor of the ball than Hughes. Maybe it is lack of sharpness, maybe it is the pressure of the games, or maybe it is not playing with Hangelund.
Whatever the reason, I think it is still too early to write him off completely.
