Who else watched the game? He and Dembele worked their butts off. I couldn't help myself when he scored the tie goal at the end. I jumped out of my seat like a damn fool shouting his name. Sigh. The two players we need most right now. Dembele to Dempsey to Berbatov. Since that's not going to happen, I'll gladly take Stockdale, a good creative attacking mid, and Balotelli. But not in that order.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on January 21, 2013, 07:36:28 AM
Who else watched the game? He and Dembele worked their butts off.
Against ManUre. Probably trying to engineer their next moves!!
We have never recovered from their loss. Although less happy about the last minute goal until I realised it gave me a perfect score on a double points game in the prediction league. Hurrah.
Did you see the sitters that he missed earlier in the game though?
I must confess that I thought Spurs looked fantastic (from the highlights) - I just wish I could see Fulham playing with that pace and fluidity!
The funniest bit is the fans don't like him... The guy does work right to the last minute and scores big goals, picks up key fouls in dangerous areas, and usually anticipates his teammates moves for some clever passes... Despite all that many in England don't like him playing for their team, I could never understand it. Some people just love style over substance.
Many big names that move to other clubs struggle their first seasons, he is doing well but is perceived as a bust, no matter how hard I try I will never understand the English psyche...
Quote from: McBridefan1 on January 21, 2013, 11:54:37 AM
Many big names that move to other clubs have shlt first seasons, he is doing well but is perceived as a bust, no matter how hard I try I will never understand the English psyche...
You know why? Tea. It really is that simple. Way back when, your ancestors decided they did not want to drink tea, so chucked the crates into the water. Yes, yes, you will claim it was over taxation without representation, but we know the real reason, you all decided to drink coffee out of ridiculously small cups instead of properly sized mugs of tea, and from that moment on your fledgling republic was doomed.
You made a similar error when you dropped cricket in favour of baseball, all over a snit about us favouring the South in your civil war. Actually, popular sentiment might have been on the side of Hatter Don and his mates, but the British government was horrified by the prospect of a Southern victory as it was an agrarian society taking on an industrial one, and we had agrarian Ireland feeling unruly with industrial Britain to worry us, so you stopped playing cricket for the wrong reasons.
So there you go, reinstate tea as your national drink and play us at cricket at Lords (and probably win) and you will understand us perfectly.
Alright I will go for tea, but cricket? We already have our boring sport of baseball, it isn't my fault I love it, it was the coffee what made me do it... And maybe a bit of this :beer:
Afetr what dempsey did, it leaves a sour taste to see him score. However, I don't know (does anyone) the real truth about why he did it (move to spuds).
Was it money? was it Jol? Certainly wasn't champions league football cos they don't have that, and I doubt they will make top 4 this season.
Quote from: jarv on January 21, 2013, 01:48:24 PM
Afetr what dempsey did, it leaves a sour taste to see him score. However, I don't know (does anyone) the real truth about why he did it (move to spuds).
Was it money? was it Jol? Certainly wasn't champions league football cos they don't have that, and I doubt they will make top 4 this season.
I know it is the mirror but it seems he is laying it at jollys feet. I always had the feeling jol wanted him gone so he could build his team, with his own tactics... Who knows
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/clint-dempsey-reveals-he-left-fulham-1463582 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/clint-dempsey-reveals-he-left-fulham-1463582)
The score should have been 4-1 Spurs, so many players missing easy looking goals. ManU's defense goes to sleep at times, regardless of the big names wearing the jerseys. And their midfield is slow and old. They live off their goal keeping and front line. Fulham can beat them if we keep attacking.
"After what Dempsey did for the club ... ." Here's what Dempsey did for the club last year: He papered over the cracks in Jol's style by scoring goals that moved us from the relegation zone to the top 10. His opportunism and willingness to "try anything" is what made last season and what is missing this season.
Here's what happened AFTER the last match last season.
1. Dempsey asked for a 4 year contract extension.
2. The club said no.
3. Dempsey decided his future lay elsewhere.
4. Liverpool made an offer to the board. They were willing. Dempsey was willing.
5. Liverpool agreed to keep the agreement silent so that we wouldn't be in a weakened position in acquiring new players.
6. Some idiot at NESN's web site posted that Dempsey had signed with Liverpool.
7. MAF got incredibly angry and looked for revenge.
8. Believing that Dempsey had something to do with the link, MAF had Jol send Deuce to Coventry.
9. He then got his revenge on Liverpool by waiting until the last 2 or 3 days of the transfer period before telling them that they were NOT getting Dempsey. As a matter of fact, we waited until they had loaned out their #9 to West Ham and then we hung them out to dry.
10. We wound up transferring Dempsey to Tottenham for about half of what we could have gotten from Liverpool -- either cash or cash plus Charlie Adam or Jordan Henderson.
MAF got his revenge, Dempsey got to stay in London. Spurs got the bargain of the year. Everybody wins! Well, except for a bunch of Fulham supporters, most of whom didn't like Dempsey when he was winning matches for us, and almost all of whom despise him now.
No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis.
If what you are writing is true, then there isn't a single fan who should feel any animosity toward Clint--only the deepest respect and admiration. You write your sources informed that Clint wanted a four year extension and the club said 'no.' That won't square with facts that support the Clint-hating--that he was an ingrate, that he wanted to leave, that he didn't care about the team, that he thought only of leaving for greener pastures. If what you are writing is true, then a whole lot of fans on this board have to do a major rethink. But without more proof than merely taking your word for it--even though you are held in high regard by fellow fans/posters on this board--they will dismiss this counter-narrative as mere speculation. I wish you had collaboration here, HD.
Pardon my typo. I meant to write, "I wish you had corraboration here, HD."
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 03:02:35 PM
"After what Dempsey did for the club ... ." Here's what Dempsey did for the club last year: He papered over the cracks in Jol's style by scoring goals that moved us from the relegation zone to the top 10. His opportunism and willingness to "try sh1t" is what made last season and what is missing this season.
Here's what happened AFTER the last match last season.
1. Dempsey asked for a 4 year contract extension.
2. The club said no.
3. Dempsey decided his future lay elsewhere.
4. Liverpool made an offer to the board. They were willing. Dempsey was willing.
5. Liverpool agreed to keep the agreement silent so that we wouldn't be in a weakened position in acquiring new players.
6. Some idiot at NESN's web site posted that Dempsey had signed with Liverpool.
7. MAF got incredibly angry and looked for revenge.
8. Believing that Dempsey had something to do with the link, MAF had Jol send Deuce to Coventry.
9. He then got his revenge on Liverpool by waiting until the last 2 or 3 days of the transfer period before telling them that they were NOT getting Dempsey. As a matter of fact, we waited until they had loaned out their #9 to West Ham and then we hung them out to dry.
10. We wound up transferring Dempsey to Tottenham for about half of what we could have gotten from Liverpool -- either cash or cash plus Charlie Adam or Jordan Henderson.
MAF got his revenge, Dempsey got to stay in London. Spurs got the bargain of the year. Everybody wins! Well, except for a bunch of Fulham supporters, most of whom didn't like Dempsey when he was winning matches for us, and almost all of whom despise him now.
No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis.
:plus one:
Bit in bold is the best.
I wish I had more corroboration to submit as well, Mr. Forever Fulham. Unfortunately, this is a friend of a friend type thing, some of which has been discussed publicly here in the states by one Brian McBride.
The "someday the whole story will come out" that Clint's brother mentioned is going to have to wait until Dempsey hangs up his boots. You don't spill the beans on an owner and a front office if you expect to ever work for another owner and front office.
Moving on ... Snowed like a MOFO this weekend in the south of England, didn't it?
One benefit of Dempsey having moved on is we have fewer posts about how Dempsey wasn't appreciated by Fulham and English fans, how he was mistreated Jol, Mo, the club and the board, how the `truth' will come out.
Fulham and most of the fans have moved on. McBridefan1 and HatterDon would be better off defending Dempsey on the Spurs site where again he seems under-appreciated.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 03:27:03 PM
One benefit of Dempsey having moved on is we have fewer posts about how Dempsey wasn't appreciated by Fulham and English fans, how he was mistreated Jol, Mo, the club and the board, how the `truth' will come out.
Fulham and most of the fans have moved on. McBridefan1 and HatterDon would be better off defending Dempsey on the Spurs site where again he seems under-appreciated.
Well, who could have predicted a comment like this? I am completely bumfuzzled in surprise. What insight!
Now I know who FofF put in charge of determining who is and who isn't a Fulham supporter.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 03:27:03 PM
One benefit of Dempsey having moved on is we have fewer posts about how Dempsey wasn't appreciated by Fulham and English fans, how he was mistreated Jol, Mo, the club and the board, how the `truth' will come out.
Fulham and most of the fans have moved on. McBridefan1 and HatterDon would be better off defending Dempsey on the Spurs site where again he seems under-appreciated.
Posts like HD's always seem to be necessary with the sporadic returns of Dempsey bashing. Yes, he might not play for Fulham anymore but, whether you like it or not, he's a big part of the club's history.
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 03:02:35 PM
"After what Dempsey did for the club ... ." Here's what Dempsey did for the club last year: He papered over the cracks in Jol's style by scoring goals that moved us from the relegation zone to the top 10. His opportunism and willingness to "try sh1t" is what made last season and what is missing this season.
Here's what happened AFTER the last match last season.
1. Dempsey asked for a 4 year contract extension.
2. The club said no.
3. Dempsey decided his future lay elsewhere.
4. Liverpool made an offer to the board. They were willing. Dempsey was willing.
5. Liverpool agreed to keep the agreement silent so that we wouldn't be in a weakened position in acquiring new players.
6. Some idiot at NESN's web site posted that Dempsey had signed with Liverpool.
7. MAF got incredibly angry and looked for revenge.
8. Believing that Dempsey had something to do with the link, MAF had Jol send Deuce to Coventry.
9. He then got his revenge on Liverpool by waiting until the last 2 or 3 days of the transfer period before telling them that they were NOT getting Dempsey. As a matter of fact, we waited until they had loaned out their #9 to West Ham and then we hung them out to dry.
10. We wound up transferring Dempsey to Tottenham for about half of what we could have gotten from Liverpool -- either cash or cash plus Charlie Adam or Jordan Henderson.
MAF got his revenge, Dempsey got to stay in London. Spurs got the bargain of the year. Everybody wins! Well, except for a bunch of Fulham supporters, most of whom didn't like Dempsey when he was winning matches for us, and almost all of whom despise him now.
No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis.
Even if your 10 points are true word for word what does it change? The club are entitled to offer whatever contract they see fit. MAF was entitled to get angry.
Clint had been saying for some time that his ambition was to play for a club with a chance of Champions League football - read 'bigger ' club than Fulham - and after his great season last year - with him getting so much publicity for his scoring -
then the end of last season was a good time to move for a player of his age, who had give his all for Fulham for some years, and been such a crucially important player for us.
I don't see anything wrong with this - it was inevitable, very sad as I was to see him go. Why wouldn't he want a crack at winning something in the English game, or playing in the Champions league, when he had the chance?
I don't hold any animosity to Clint, though obviously there was a difficult period before he moved to Spurs, caused by Liverpool, and wish him well.
But now he know longer plays for Fulham like so many other top players we took to our hearts, and we just have to move on - Clint Dempsey is no longer a Fulham player, and that's it.
Quote from: RaySmith on January 21, 2013, 03:39:24 PM
Clint had been saying for some time that his ambition was to play for a club with a chance of Champions League football - read 'bigger ' club than Fulham - and after his great season last year - with him getting so much publicity for his scoring -
then the end of last season was a good time to move for a player of his age, who had give his all for Fulham for some years, and been such a crucially important player for us.
I don't see anything wrong with this - it was inevitable, very sad as I was to see him go. Why wouldn't he want a crack at winning something in the English game, or playing in the Champions league, when he had the chance?
I don't hold any animosity to Clint, though obviously there was a difficult period before he moved to Spurs, caused by Liverpool, and wish him well.
But now he know longer plays for Fulham like so many other top players we took to our hearts, and we just have to move on - Clint Dempsey is no longer a Fulham player, and that's it.
yup. Nothing left to see here. Move along.
Quote from: EJL on January 21, 2013, 03:35:27 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 03:27:03 PM
One benefit of Dempsey having moved on is we have fewer posts about how Dempsey wasn't appreciated by Fulham and English fans, how he was mistreated Jol, Mo, the club and the board, how the `truth' will come out.
Fulham and most of the fans have moved on. McBridefan1 and HatterDon would be better off defending Dempsey on the Spurs site where again he seems under-appreciated.
Posts like HD's always seem to be necessary with the sporadic returns of Dempsey bashing. Yes, he might not play for Fulham anymore but, whether you like it or not, he's a big part of the club's history.
Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others. Across the whole history he slips even further into the background.
I get that you are fans of his but the continuing effort to tell us that we under-appreciate him and how important he was is grating. We have seen his career. We have seen the contributions of others. We can make up our own minds.
He played under five different managers; he improved season on season with regards to his goal return and he finished off his tenure at Fulham by becoming our leading goal scorer in the Premier League. He has played his part in both securing our Premier League status with that goal against Liverpool (under Sanchez) and our march to the final of the Europa League (the goal against Juventus being the pick of the bunch).
Love him or loathe him, the guy is a club legend.
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 03:27:03 PM
One benefit of Dempsey having moved on is we have fewer posts about how Dempsey wasn't appreciated by Fulham and English fans, how he was mistreated Jol, Mo, the club and the board, how the `truth' will come out.
Fulham and most of the fans have moved on. McBridefan1 and HatterDon would be better off defending Dempsey on the Spurs site where again he seems under-appreciated.
Well, who could have predicted a comment like this? I am completely bumfuzzled in surprise. What insight!
Now I know who FofF put in charge of determining who is and who isn't a Fulham supporter.
By "Fulham and most of the fans have moved on. McBridefan1 and HatterDon would be better off defending Dempsey on the Spurs site where again he seems under-appreciated" I mean that Dempsey needs support at his current club rather than more speculation here.
I would expect you to continue to make contributions about Fulham here on FoF.
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 03:02:35 PM
"After what Dempsey did for the club ... ." Here's what Dempsey did for the club last year: He papered over the cracks in Jol's style by scoring goals that moved us from the relegation zone to the top 10. His opportunism and willingness to "try sh1t" is what made last season and what is missing this season.
Here's what happened AFTER the last match last season.
1. Dempsey asked for a 4 year contract extension.
2. The club said no.
3. Dempsey decided his future lay elsewhere.
4. Liverpool made an offer to the board. They were willing. Dempsey was willing.
5. Liverpool agreed to keep the agreement silent so that we wouldn't be in a weakened position in acquiring new players.
6. Some idiot at NESN's web site posted that Dempsey had signed with Liverpool.
7. MAF got incredibly angry and looked for revenge.
8. Believing that Dempsey had something to do with the link, MAF had Jol send Deuce to Coventry.
9. He then got his revenge on Liverpool by waiting until the last 2 or 3 days of the transfer period before telling them that they were NOT getting Dempsey. As a matter of fact, we waited until they had loaned out their #9 to West Ham and then we hung them out to dry.
10. We wound up transferring Dempsey to Tottenham for about half of what we could have gotten from Liverpool -- either cash or cash plus Charlie Adam or Jordan Henderson.
MAF got his revenge, Dempsey got to stay in London. Spurs got the bargain of the year. Everybody wins! Well, except for a bunch of Fulham supporters, most of whom didn't like Dempsey when he was winning matches for us, and almost all of whom despise him now.
No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis.
how much of that do you know to be true and how much have you inferred? The point at the end about the fans response to the saga I completely agree with, but the rest of it I don't get. It's come out that Liverpool did not make an offer to the club until the last days of the transfer window and this offer was believed to be around 4 million.
We ended up selling him for more to Tottenham than we were offered by Liverpool and Jol is quoted as saying we offered him the biggest contract in Fulham history and he still wanted to go.
Can you link me your information? Because it seemed to me that throughout the whole summer Liverpool where trying to hold us to ransom and take Dempsey on the cheap. I for one am happy for Dempsey for moving to Spurs, they're a club that will most likely be playing champions league football next season unlike Liverpool and I'm proud of the club for sticking by it's guns and not letting ourselves get bullied by Liverpool.
Quote from: FulhamMic on January 21, 2013, 03:52:21 PM
He played under five different managers; he improved season on season with regards to his goal return and he finished off his tenure at Fulham by becoming our leading goal scorer in the Premier League. He has played his part in both securing our Premier League status with that goal against Liverpool (under Sanchez) and our march to the final of the Europa League (the goal against Juventus being the pick of the bunch).
Love him or loathe him, the guy is a club legend.
Let's consider your statements as being about player X rather than Dempsey because that seems to make all discussion too emotive:
- played under five different managers - so what?
- improved season on season . . . - well you might hope that for any player given that he was with us from his mid to late twenties
- leading PL scorer - fair enough but he was (for these times) long serving
- securing our PL status - you could say that of several players: Murphy, Kamara, McBride
- march to Europa League final: similarly Etuhu, Gera, Zamora, Davies
Legend - so overused that it is meaningless.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 04:06:48 PM
Quote from: FulhamMic on January 21, 2013, 03:52:21 PM
He played under five different managers; he improved season on season with regards to his goal return and he finished off his tenure at Fulham by becoming our leading goal scorer in the Premier League. He has played his part in both securing our Premier League status with that goal against Liverpool (under Sanchez) and our march to the final of the Europa League (the goal against Juventus being the pick of the bunch).
Love him or loathe him, the guy is a club legend.
Let's consider your statements as being about player X rather than Dempsey:
- played under five different managers - so what?
- improved season on season . . . - well you might hope that for any player given that he was with us from his mid to late twenties
- leading PL scorer - fair enough but he was (for these times) long serving
- securing our PL status - you could say that of several players: Murphy, Kamara, McBride
- march to Europa League final: similarly Etuhu, Gera, Zamora, Davies
Legend - so overused that it is meaningless.
but how many players have done all of those things. That goal against Juve and the fact that he is our leading premier league scorer are enough for me.
This is has debatably been the most successful period in the clubs history and Dempsey has been one of our longest serving and most successful players in that time.
Apprentice, come on, now. If someone said Christ walked on water, would you say, "He can't swim"?
It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite.
Quote from: RidgeRider on January 21, 2013, 04:47:19 PM
It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite.
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on January 21, 2013, 04:47:19 PM
It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite.
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
Through the woodland, through the valley
Comes a horseman wild and free
Tilting at the Windmills passing
Who can this young horseman be?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on January 21, 2013, 04:47:19 PM
It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite.
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
HatterDon's post does indeed still serve a benefit to us Fulham fans. Maybe not you but I am a Fulham fan and I will tell you that it benefited me. I have been waiting to hear from anyone who has any bit of information of what and how the whole situation happened with dempsey. Whether it was backed by proof or not, it is up to the fans reading as to whether to believe it or not. You can always choose to disregard it and move on if it doesn't fit your frame of mind.
Dempsey is and will be a part of Fulham's success in recent years in my mind and in many fans' minds. You can downplay his contributions all you want if that is how you feel about dempsey but be respectful to others who do value his contributions. We don't have to be spurs fans to still value his contributions on this board. For me, I don't think Fulham would have achieved what we achieved without him.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 03:27:03 PM
One benefit of Dempsey having moved on is we have fewer posts about how Dempsey wasn't appreciated by Fulham and English fans, how he was mistreated Jol, Mo, the club and the board, how the `truth' will come out.
Fulham and most of the fans have moved on. McBridefan1 and HatterDon would be better off defending Dempsey on the Spurs site where again he seems under-appreciated.
My dear daddy, may he RIP, always told me that one should look at every situation, regardless of how it started and ask yourself, what did I do to start or prolong this situation? I often fail in this regard. I find that I get irrated at this sort of senseless bashing and often respond with sarcasm. In the end, I'm simply lowering myself to that level. That being said, and having thought about it, I'd suggest that my dear friend Apprentice to the Maestro, work on his xenophobia while I'll work on my patience. That will better able the both of us to be called Friends of Fulham since I'll have less temptation and he'll become more open minded.
Sorry pop.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 04:06:48 PM
Let's consider your statements as being about player X rather than Dempsey because that seems to make all discussion too emotive:
- played under five different managers - so what?Perhaps I should have been clearer; Dempsey has played under five different
Fulham managers. That's five different managers, with five different backgrounds and five very different playing styles yet each and every one recognised the qualities in Dempsey. When each of these five managers went about putting their own stamp on the team, Dempsey remained a constant. Surely you can understand the significance of this? As of last season, Simon Davies was the only other Fulham player who had this in common with Dempsey.
- improved season on season - well you might hope that for any player given that he was with us from his mid to late twentiesHope yes; guaranteed? No. Eddie Johnson ring any bells? Bjorn Helge Riise? Collins John? And these are just recent examples of prospects with bright futures, who played for Fulham. And Dempsey not only improved as a player, but his goals increased
every single year.
- leading PL scorer - fair enough but he was (for these times) long servingHe also holds the record for the most Premier League goals scored in a season by a Fulham player. Tenure doesn't factor into this record since you only need to single season to break it.
- securing our PL status - you could say that of several players: Murphy, Kamara, McBrideWhilst they all played their parts for sure (
Murphy and Kamara in a different season), and that can't be underestimated, Dempsey's goal was the definitive moment that saved that season because it was that 1-0 win over Liverpool that GUARANTEED our safety. In much the same way as Murphy's goal against Portsmouth.
- march to Europa League final: similarly Etuhu, Gera, Zamora, DaviesTrue; but none match that goal against Juventus. Sorry.
Legend - so overused that it is meaningless.Legend. A title Dempsey rightly earned through his significant contribution to the cause during his tenure here at Fulham.
i liked Dempsey and we certainly miss him. I will always remember that goal agains Juventus.However, he was as good for Fulham as Fulham were for him. He certainly isn't a legend (Haynes and Cohen come to mind). I respect his decision for wanting to play champions league football but Liverpool could not give it to him and neither can Spurs currently. I cannot forgive him for refusing to play. That is just unprofessional.
Quote from: hn4fulham on January 21, 2013, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on January 21, 2013, 04:47:19 PM
It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite.
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
HatterDon's post does indeed still serve a benefit to us Fulham fans. Maybe not you but I am a Fulham fan and I will tell you that it benefited me. I have been waiting to hear from anyone who has any bit of information of what and how the whole situation happened with dempsey. Whether it was backed by proof or not, it is up to the fans reading as to whether to believe it or not. You can always choose to disregard it and move on if it doesn't fit your frame of mind.
Dempsey is and will be a part of Fulham's success in recent years in my mind and in many fans' minds. You can downplay his contributions all you want if that is how you feel about dempsey but be respectful to others who do value his contributions. We don't have to be spurs fans to still value his contributions on this board. For me, I don't think Fulham would have achieved what we achieved without him.
No wonder the standards of journalism and posts are so low if this is an indication of people's expectations.
O.K., I didn't want to reveal it because the governments of the world want to keep it a secret to avoid panic. Dempsey's leaving was all a plot by the Royal family to get back at MAF over his comments about the death of Dodi and Diana. As David Icke says the Duke of Edinburgh is an alien lizard and he arranged for Dempsey to be abducted by his alien friends, probed and have a transceiver implanted in his brain which made him turn down the best contract Fulham had ever made and burn his bridges with the club so he had to be sold by Fulham at below the market price of £25m.
There, I've said it. As a fan I am entitled to say it. And as a poster on this board, keeping within the traditions of etiquette, I expect it to be treated with the utmost reverence and respect.
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Quote from: RidgeRider on January 21, 2013, 04:47:19 PM
It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite.
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
Would you not file this in the unsubstantiated claims and comments bin?
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Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others.
Amoung the many
opinions that float about regarding Dempsey within the FOF family the one fact that would be difficult to argue against is the man does tend to stir up passionate sentiment when he is discussed on this board.
Facts of the matter.
Clint Dempsey is one of the key contributors to Fulham's recent spell in England's top flight and various achievements such as Fulham's Europa league run and Great Escape.
Clint Dempsey is the club's best ever Premier League scorer.
Clint Dempsey spoke increasingly about moving on from Fulham towards the end of his career in the white and black.
Liverpool tapped up Dempsey.
Jol did not select Dempsey for any match squad this (pre-)season.
Tottenham bought Dempsey.
Everything else is he-said-she-said conjecture and shouldn't be treated like fact. Whether or not Dempsey is a club legend is ultimately an opinion that fans are entitled to have, and as opinions tend to do they sometimes drag in emotional reasons, which are perfectly fine but shouldn't be treated like fact. Personally, as a human being, I completely sympathize with Dempsey's desire to test himself in a different context. In my OPINION, there is nothing wrong wanting to try new pastures, and in my OPINION all the squabbling about who was in wrong about the way he left is not only completely unverifiable but also kind of useless. As a Fulham fan, I'm unhappy about him leaving as he was an important part of the team. I don't know who to be unhappy at, and finger pointing is useless unless Jol, MAF, and Dempsey all decide to have a press conference and explain to us a consistent story of what really happen, as well as telling us where the aliens from Roswell are and who the second shooter was.
Until then, I will watch his past achievements with Fulham with fondness and hope that he doesn't conjure anything up when he plays against Fulham.
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Quote from: RidgeRider on January 21, 2013, 04:47:19 PM
It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite.
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
HatterDon's post does indeed still serve a benefit to us Fulham fans. Maybe not you but I am a Fulham fan and I will tell you that it benefited me. I have been waiting to hear from anyone who has any bit of information of what and how the whole situation happened with dempsey. Whether it was backed by proof or not, it is up to the fans reading as to whether to believe it or not. You can always choose to disregard it and move on if it doesn't fit your frame of mind.
Dempsey is and will be a part of Fulham's success in recent years in my mind and in many fans' minds. You can downplay his contributions all you want if that is how you feel about dempsey but be respectful to others who do value his contributions. We don't have to be spurs fans to still value his contributions on this board. For me, I don't think Fulham would have achieved what we achieved without him.
No wonder the standards of journalism and posts are so low if this is an indication of people's expectations.
O.K., I didn't want to reveal it because the governments of the world want to keep it a secret to avoid panic. Dempsey's leaving was all a plot by the Royal family to get back at MAF over his comments about the death of Dodi and Diana. As David Icke says the Duke of Edinburgh is an alien lizard and he arranged for Dempsey to be abducted by his alien friends, probed and have a transceiver implanted in his brain which made him turn down the best contract Fulham had ever made and burn his bridges with the club so he had to be sold by Fulham at below the market price of £25m.
There, I've said it. As a fan I am entitled to say it. And as a poster on this board, keeping within the traditions of etiquette, I expect it to be treated with the utmost reverence and respect.
As often happens, the student learns from the teacher's actions, rather than from what is said. Hence, we have sacarsm. My dear pops was a smart guy.
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Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: hn4fulham on January 21, 2013, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on January 21, 2013, 04:47:19 PM
It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite.
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
HatterDon's post does indeed still serve a benefit to us Fulham fans. Maybe not you but I am a Fulham fan and I will tell you that it benefited me. I have been waiting to hear from anyone who has any bit of information of what and how the whole situation happened with dempsey. Whether it was backed by proof or not, it is up to the fans reading as to whether to believe it or not. You can always choose to disregard it and move on if it doesn't fit your frame of mind.
Dempsey is and will be a part of Fulham's success in recent years in my mind and in many fans' minds. You can downplay his contributions all you want if that is how you feel about dempsey but be respectful to others who do value his contributions. We don't have to be spurs fans to still value his contributions on this board. For me, I don't think Fulham would have achieved what we achieved without him.
No wonder the standards of journalism and posts are so low if this is an indication of people's expectations.
O.K., I didn't want to reveal it because the governments of the world want to keep it a secret to avoid panic. Dempsey's leaving was all a plot by the Royal family to get back at MAF over his comments about the death of Dodi and Diana. As David Icke says the Duke of Edinburgh is an alien lizard and he arranged for Dempsey to be abducted by his alien friends, probed and have a transceiver implanted in his brain which made him turn down the best contract Fulham had ever made and burn his bridges with the club so he had to be sold by Fulham at below the market price of £25m.
There, I've said it. As a fan I am entitled to say it. And as a poster on this board, keeping within the traditions of etiquette, I expect it to be treated with the utmost reverence and respect.
As often happens, the student learns from the teacher's actions, rather than from what is said. Hence, we have sacarsm. My dear pops was a smart guy.
That's it. Be disrespectful.
It fits the facts. I want to believe it. It makes Dempsey an innocent victim of higher powers. Can you prove it is not true?
Satire and humour are all that's left to the powerless when facts and reason are left behind.
Oh do give it up !!
You joined this site on 17th August 2012
and the following are a sample of your first posts, they make good reading, it is great to see how consistent you have been.
You may be an Apprentice of something but it is not The Maestro
Yes, let Jol decide. The fact that Duff scored the opening goal, looked as fresh as a daisy and really up for the game and the season didn't influence you then?
Dempsey needs to find a rock to crawl under. West Ham or QPR beckons.
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467 General Category / General Discussion / Re: Breaking news: Dempsey wants to leave and spitting his dummy out (merged) on: August 18, 2012, 01:08:57 am
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Quote from: Ordar on August 18, 2012, 12:14:25 am
and if anything, will actually balance our side.
He's a very difficult player to accommodate as he's not a wide player, nor a striker. He needs a team built around him having a free role. Which is exactly why Riise was getting exposed 2 on 1 early on in the season. No side, especially not a CL side are going to provide him with that free role.
If by balancing the team you mean that Fulham now have a great balance of various players who are mediocre goal scorers, then you have a point.
I can understand being upset with Clint, but that doesn't diminish what he's accomplished over the past few seasons.
He scored 23 goals last season, while playing much of his time from the midfield. Difficult to accommodate? I'd hate to see where Fulham would be over the last couple of seasons without him--probably playing in the Championship.
His goals last season were very important to us but before that they were more like the level you might hope for from an attacking midfielder and little more. It is his goals primarily that have kept him as a starter in the side.
He is difficult to accommodate because he is neither a natural wide player - how often does he go outside the full-back and make a cross? - nor is he is a natural striker. He has become a good finisher - a valuable skill and to be appreciated - but otherwise neither his midfield nor his attacking play are exceptional.
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468 General Category / General Discussion / Re: Breaking news: Dempsey wants to leave and spitting his dummy out (merged) on: August 18, 2012, 12:23:58 am
Quote from: Ordar on August 18, 2012, 12:14:25 am
What I can't stand through this saga today is how people seem to believe that Clint is immune from criticism. I can guarentee that if this situation involved Senderos or Kelly people would be going mental.
At the end of the day, Dempsey is a disgrace. The fact he had a decent season for us is totally irrelevant. Him leaving is by no means the end of the world, and if anything, will actually balance our side.
He's a very difficult player to accommodate as he's not a wide player, nor a striker. He needs a team built around him having a free role. Which is exactly why Riise was getting exposed 2 on 1 early on in the season. No side, especially not a CL side are going to provide him with that free role.
What he has done over the post season will forever tarnish his legacy at the club, much like a certain Mr Bullard. (and that worked out fantastically for him).
He said he wants CL football. Liverpool have never been further away from obtaining that, and certainly won't this season. Let's ship him out the sooner the better overseas to anyone, reinvest any money we get for him on a player that wants to play for the club, target Whittingham or Javis and move on.
Good post. I agree with your clear analysis of the problem of the balance of the team. I am looking forward to seeing Kacaniklic tomorrow.
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469 General Category / General Discussion / Re: Breaking news: Dempsey wants to leave and spitting his dummy out (merged) on: August 18, 2012, 12:17:36 am
Posters are not trashing his achievements (although those are constantly over-praised). They are assessing his behaviour which is, if as reported and I don't see why not, worse than that of RVP and Modric.
Yes, Fenway and Liverpool behaved incorrectly and presented the temptation but it looks as though Dempsey leapt to grab it with both hands and has found it too late to be an illusion. He has then behaved unprofessionally by refusing to train and undermined his relationship with the club, his fellow players and the Fulham fans. He could not have made a more comprehensive mess of it.
Get real.
Quote from: PaulUMD on August 17, 2012, 11:57:55 pm
Amazing how quickly people are trashing this guy. 60 damn goals in 4.5 years.
Watch every one of them. Clint Dempsey's 60 Fulham Goals 2007/2012 | QuickfireGoals Episode #18
He was leaving this year no matter what. He gave every last bit of himself to this club, give him his due. If your feelings are hurt, well, put on your big boy pants. This is football, and unfortunately business is business. Seems to me the big villain here is Liverpool and Fenway for convincing Clint they were going to sign him when they were not. Now it's a shitty situation for all parties.
Be mad at him if you wish, but don't diminish his accomplishments here.
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470 General Category / General Discussion / Re: CAN WE PLEASE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE PAUSE ON THE DEMPSEY BANGING on: August 17, 2012, 11:53:39 pm
How are the fans being selfish? It is Dempsey who is being selfish in signing a contract for very large sums of money to the ordinary person funded by the tickets and merchandise bought by the fans and then refuses to honour that contract because, selfishly, he thinks he can do better elsewhere.
It may appear to some that "fans have turned against him all of a sudden" but most see him as an ordinary team member, not a legend, an honourable man or a hero (or any of the hype terms applied by his fan-boys) who has had one great season and find his behaviour now as a prima donna stupid, ludicrous and embarrassing.
Whether he remembers us after he leaves is not the point. The point is that Dempsey has clearly forgotten the Fulham fans over the last month or so otherwise he would be match fit and playing tomorrow.
Quote from: ElissonSnygg on August 17, 2012, 06:52:24 pm
I got to say it's very selfish to be so hard against Dempsey. Can't believe how many fulham fans who just turn against him all of a sudden. Imagine yourself in his position - it's not easy. Give him a warm farewell instead and he will always remember us.
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471 General Category / General Discussion / Re: Breaking news: Dempsey wants to leave and spitting his dummy out (merged) on: August 17, 2012, 10:54:32 pm
No one can deserve Champion's League football. And it seems the view English Champions League club managers that Dempsey is not going to be part of their campaigns.
Players don't have to be loyal until there is an opportunity to move. Here it looks as though Dempsey, through his agent, was speaking to Liverpool with one year left on his contract and has subsequently said that he is leaving for Liverpool, has refused to go on the club pre-season tour and doesn't want to play for Fulham again. So, at the first opportunity, he proves himself to be disloyal.
Quote from: Oiseau on August 17, 2012, 08:58:29 pm
I don't blame him in the slightest for wanting to leave. He deserves Champion's League football and has been a loyal servant to Fulham. We shouldn't let this difficult moment cloud our memory of a loyal player and who scored some of Fulham's best ever goals. It's important to remember as well that we don't know exactly what's going on behind the scenes. I hope it doesn't upset the rest of the squad too much. Hopefully Clint will bow out sooner rather than later so that Jol can find a replacement.
I wish him the best of luck. He seems like an incredibly nice, genuine and down-to-earth bloke. Hope he retains fond memories of his time here and I wish him all the best for the future.
Respect is something that is earned.
Pretending to be offended when your wind ups are challenged is not Satire and humour are all that's left to the powerless when facts and reason are left behind.
Good quote though. Even if it doesn't apply. You can have the last word.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on January 21, 2013, 07:36:28 AM
Who else watched the game? He and Dembele worked their butts off. I couldn't help myself when he scored the tie goal at the end. I jumped out of my seat like a damn fool shouting his name. Sigh. The two players we need most right now. Dembele to Dempsey to Berbatov. Since that's not going to happen, I'll gladly take Stockdale, a good creative attacking mid, and Balotelli. But not in that order.
Was speaking to a Spurs fan today, absolutely hates Dempsey and said he was a rubbish centre forward. Then I told him that he is not a CF but plays behind. Seemed oblivious to the fact that he has scored goals against Man U.
Personally when I have seen him on MOTD a number of the other players don't see to want to pass to him even when he is in a great position.
Quote from: Bill2 on January 21, 2013, 09:28:23 PM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on January 21, 2013, 07:36:28 AM
Who else watched the game? He and Dembele worked their butts off. I couldn't help myself when he scored the tie goal at the end. I jumped out of my seat like a damn fool shouting his name. Sigh. The two players we need most right now. Dembele to Dempsey to Berbatov. Since that's not going to happen, I'll gladly take Stockdale, a good creative attacking mid, and Balotelli. But not in that order.
Was speaking to a Spurs fan today, absolutely hates Dempsey and said he was a rubbish centre forward. Then I told him that he is not a CF but plays behind. Seemed oblivious to the fact that he has scored goals against Man U.
Personally when I have seen him on MOTD a number of the other players don't see to want to pass to him even when he is in a great position.
Dempsey's not even a number ten. He's a left sided attacking midfielder who drifts into the number ten role.
Quote from: KCat on January 21, 2013, 09:16:54 PM
Oh do give it up !!
You joined this site on 17th August 2012
and the following are a sample of your first posts, they make good reading, it is great to see how consistent you have been.
You may be an Apprentice of something but it is not The Maestro
What has the date of my joining have to do with anything?
Would you wish me to be inconsistent?
And thanks for finishing with a disrespectful comment.
Quote from: Enter the Frei on January 21, 2013, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 03:02:35 PM
"After what Dempsey did for the club ... ." Here's what Dempsey did for the club last year: He papered over the cracks in Jol's style by scoring goals that moved us from the relegation zone to the top 10. His opportunism and willingness to "try sh1t" is what made last season and what is missing this season.
Here's what happened AFTER the last match last season.
1. Dempsey asked for a 4 year contract extension.
2. The club said no.
3. Dempsey decided his future lay elsewhere.
4. Liverpool made an offer to the board. They were willing. Dempsey was willing.
5. Liverpool agreed to keep the agreement silent so that we wouldn't be in a weakened position in acquiring new players.
6. Some idiot at NESN's web site posted that Dempsey had signed with Liverpool.
7. MAF got incredibly angry and looked for revenge.
8. Believing that Dempsey had something to do with the link, MAF had Jol send Deuce to Coventry.
9. He then got his revenge on Liverpool by waiting until the last 2 or 3 days of the transfer period before telling them that they were NOT getting Dempsey. As a matter of fact, we waited until they had loaned out their #9 to West Ham and then we hung them out to dry.
10. We wound up transferring Dempsey to Tottenham for about half of what we could have gotten from Liverpool -- either cash or cash plus Charlie Adam or Jordan Henderson.
MAF got his revenge, Dempsey got to stay in London. Spurs got the bargain of the year. Everybody wins! Well, except for a bunch of Fulham supporters, most of whom didn't like Dempsey when he was winning matches for us, and almost all of whom despise him now.
No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis.
how much of that do you know to be true and how much have you inferred? The point at the end about the fans response to the saga I completely agree with, but the rest of it I don't get. It's come out that Liverpool did not make an offer to the club until the last days of the transfer window and this offer was believed to be around 4 million.
We ended up selling him for more to Tottenham than we were offered by Liverpool and Jol is quoted as saying we offered him the biggest contract in Fulham history and he still wanted to go.
Can you link me your information? Because it seemed to me that throughout the whole summer Liverpool where trying to hold us to ransom and take Dempsey on the cheap. I for one am happy for Dempsey for moving to Spurs, they're a club that will most likely be playing champions league football next season unlike Liverpool and I'm proud of the club for sticking by it's guns and not letting ourselves get bullied by Liverpool.
Can you look at the very last line of the post of mine that you quoted?
Quote from: BarryP on January 21, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
Would you not file this in the unsubstantiated claims and comments bin?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro
Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others.
Amoung the many opinions that float about regarding Dempsey within the FOF family the one fact that would be difficult to argue against is the man does tend to stir up passionate sentiment when he is discussed on this board.
Signed: Patiently awaiting an answer aka BarryP
PS - I do like the way you always manage to try and sidestep these little questions.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 09:51:54 PM
Quote from: KCat on January 21, 2013, 09:16:54 PM
Oh do give it up !!
You joined this site on 17th August 2012
and the following are a sample of your first posts, they make good reading, it is great to see how consistent you have been.
You may be an Apprentice of something but it is not The Maestro
What has the date of my joining have to do with anything?
Would you wish me to be inconsistent?
And thanks for finishing with a disrespectful comment.
Need some cheese?
Sorry, I'm a weak person.
Quote from: YankeeJim on January 21, 2013, 10:09:29 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 09:51:54 PM
Quote from: KCat on January 21, 2013, 09:16:54 PM
Oh do give it up !!
You joined this site on 17th August 2012
and the following are a sample of your first posts, they make good reading, it is great to see how consistent you have been.
You may be an Apprentice of something but it is not The Maestro
What has the date of my joining have to do with anything?
Would you wish me to be inconsistent?
And thanks for finishing with a disrespectful comment.
Need some cheese?
Sorry, I'm a weak person.
Yeah, but you can nail them deep three pointers when you're riled up, Mr. Y. 065.gif
All aside, please bring back the avatar of Robert Allen Zimmerman. I enjoyed that.
And, he was born in Minnesota.
Quote from: nevzter on January 21, 2013, 10:13:47 PM
All aside, please bring back the avatar of Robert Allen Zimmerman. I enjoyed that.
And, he was born in Minnesota.
"And his wife's name is Betty Lou Thelma Liz."
Oh, sorry, that's Oklahoma.
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: nevzter on January 21, 2013, 10:13:47 PM
All aside, please bring back the avatar of Robert Allen Zimmerman. I enjoyed that.
And, he was born in Minnesota.
"And his wife's name is Betty Lou Thelma Liz."
Oh, sorry, that's Oklahoma.
But he sure does like his Falstaff Beer...
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Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 10:01:47 PM
Quote from: Enter the Frei on January 21, 2013, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 03:02:35 PM
"After what Dempsey did for the club ... ." Here's what Dempsey did for the club last year: He papered over the cracks in Jol's style by scoring goals that moved us from the relegation zone to the top 10. His opportunism and willingness to "try sh1t" is what made last season and what is missing this season.
Here's what happened AFTER the last match last season.
1. Dempsey asked for a 4 year contract extension.
2. The club said no.
3. Dempsey decided his future lay elsewhere.
4. Liverpool made an offer to the board. They were willing. Dempsey was willing.
5. Liverpool agreed to keep the agreement silent so that we wouldn't be in a weakened position in acquiring new players.
6. Some idiot at NESN's web site posted that Dempsey had signed with Liverpool.
7. MAF got incredibly angry and looked for revenge.
8. Believing that Dempsey had something to do with the link, MAF had Jol send Deuce to Coventry.
9. He then got his revenge on Liverpool by waiting until the last 2 or 3 days of the transfer period before telling them that they were NOT getting Dempsey. As a matter of fact, we waited until they had loaned out their #9 to West Ham and then we hung them out to dry.
10. We wound up transferring Dempsey to Tottenham for about half of what we could have gotten from Liverpool -- either cash or cash plus Charlie Adam or Jordan Henderson.
MAF got his revenge, Dempsey got to stay in London. Spurs got the bargain of the year. Everybody wins! Well, except for a bunch of Fulham supporters, most of whom didn't like Dempsey when he was winning matches for us, and almost all of whom despise him now.
No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis.
how much of that do you know to be true and how much have you inferred? The point at the end about the fans response to the saga I completely agree with, but the rest of it I don't get. It's come out that Liverpool did not make an offer to the club until the last days of the transfer window and this offer was believed to be around 4 million.
We ended up selling him for more to Tottenham than we were offered by Liverpool and Jol is quoted as saying we offered him the biggest contract in Fulham history and he still wanted to go.
Can you link me your information? Because it seemed to me that throughout the whole summer Liverpool where trying to hold us to ransom and take Dempsey on the cheap. I for one am happy for Dempsey for moving to Spurs, they're a club that will most likely be playing champions league football next season unlike Liverpool and I'm proud of the club for sticking by it's guns and not letting ourselves get bullied by Liverpool.
Can you look at the very last line of the post of mine that you quoted?
so effectively your not going to back up what you said with any evidence then? I think maybe one or two of the points you made I have seen any articles about from reputable sources.
Quote from: Enter the Frei on January 21, 2013, 10:37:31 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 10:01:47 PM
Quote from: Enter the Frei on January 21, 2013, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 03:02:35 PM
"After what Dempsey did for the club ... ." Here's what Dempsey did for the club last year: He papered over the cracks in Jol's style by scoring goals that moved us from the relegation zone to the top 10. His opportunism and willingness to "try sh1t" is what made last season and what is missing this season.
Here's what happened AFTER the last match last season.
1. Dempsey asked for a 4 year contract extension.
2. The club said no.
3. Dempsey decided his future lay elsewhere.
4. Liverpool made an offer to the board. They were willing. Dempsey was willing.
5. Liverpool agreed to keep the agreement silent so that we wouldn't be in a weakened position in acquiring new players.
6. Some idiot at NESN's web site posted that Dempsey had signed with Liverpool.
7. MAF got incredibly angry and looked for revenge.
8. Believing that Dempsey had something to do with the link, MAF had Jol send Deuce to Coventry.
9. He then got his revenge on Liverpool by waiting until the last 2 or 3 days of the transfer period before telling them that they were NOT getting Dempsey. As a matter of fact, we waited until they had loaned out their #9 to West Ham and then we hung them out to dry.
10. We wound up transferring Dempsey to Tottenham for about half of what we could have gotten from Liverpool -- either cash or cash plus Charlie Adam or Jordan Henderson.
MAF got his revenge, Dempsey got to stay in London. Spurs got the bargain of the year. Everybody wins! Well, except for a bunch of Fulham supporters, most of whom didn't like Dempsey when he was winning matches for us, and almost all of whom despise him now.
No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis.
how much of that do you know to be true and how much have you inferred? The point at the end about the fans response to the saga I completely agree with, but the rest of it I don't get. It's come out that Liverpool did not make an offer to the club until the last days of the transfer window and this offer was believed to be around 4 million.
We ended up selling him for more to Tottenham than we were offered by Liverpool and Jol is quoted as saying we offered him the biggest contract in Fulham history and he still wanted to go.
Can you link me your information? Because it seemed to me that throughout the whole summer Liverpool where trying to hold us to ransom and take Dempsey on the cheap. I for one am happy for Dempsey for moving to Spurs, they're a club that will most likely be playing champions league football next season unlike Liverpool and I'm proud of the club for sticking by it's guns and not letting ourselves get bullied by Liverpool.
Can you look at the very last line of the post of mine that you quoted?
so effectively your not going to back up what you said with any evidence then? I think maybe one or two of the points you made I have seen any articles about from reputable sources.
Let me help ya out there Texan:
No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis.
o·pin·ion
[uh-pin-yuh n] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal
Quote from: BarryP on January 21, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: BarryP on January 21, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
Would you not file this in the unsubstantiated claims and comments bin?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro
Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others.
Amoung the many opinions that float about regarding Dempsey within the FOF family the one fact that would be difficult to argue against is the man does tend to stir up passionate sentiment when he is discussed on this board.
Signed: Patiently awaiting an answer aka BarryP
PS - I do like the way you always manage to try and sidestep these little questions.
Sorry if you are waiting for an answer from me but honestly did not understand that it was directed at me or quite what it means.
I have reread it and maybe this is an answer: HatterDon ends his post with the 10 points with "No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis". I would say that that therefore comes within the realm of `unsubstantiated comments and claims'.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: BarryP on January 21, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: BarryP on January 21, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
Would you not file this in the unsubstantiated claims and comments bin?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro
Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others.
Amoung the many opinions that float about regarding Dempsey within the FOF family the one fact that would be difficult to argue against is the man does tend to stir up passionate sentiment when he is discussed on this board.
Signed: Patiently awaiting an answer aka BarryP
PS - I do like the way you always manage to try and sidestep these little questions.
Sorry if you are waiting for an answer from me but honestly did not understand that it was directed at me or quite what it means.
I have reread it and maybe this is an answer: HatterDon ends his post with the 10 points with "No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis". I would say that that therefore comes within the realm of `unsubstantiated comments and claims'.
Good Lord man:
o·pin·ion
[uh-pin-yuh n] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal
if your bringing something up as an opinion I'm fine with that, everyones got opinions just don't try and display them as fact when we hardly know what actually went on with Dempsey in the summer and what we do know doesn't back up the majority of assumptions that have been made.
Quote from: Enter the Frei on January 21, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
if your bringing something up as an opinion I'm fine with that, everyones got opinions just don't try and display them as fact when we hardly know what actually went on with Dempsey in the summer and what we do know doesn't back up the majority of assumptions that have been made.
The man said and I quote again:
No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis.
What more does he have to say? Your whole argument is that he is doing what he stated. fp.gif
Here's what happened AFTER the last match last season.
He also said those exact words, it's irrelevant either way I wasn't looking to start an argument I was looking to se how he'd drawn those conclusions because from the evidence I've seen, I don't see where he could of come up with that.
Yes, we do understand what opinion is and that that is what a forum is about.
There seem to be two threads intertwined here: one about those opinions and one about what and whose opinions are not disrespectful:
HatterDon posted his ten points. An opinion. Perfectly fine.
There were various responses questioning and supporting. It's a forum. Posters should expect and encourage this. Perfectly fine.
There were however some responses that were not in the spirit of a forum:
"Well, who could have predicted a comment like this? I am completely bumfuzzled in surprise. What insight!
Now I know who FofF put in charge of determining who is and who isn't a Fulham supporter."
and
"It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite."
and
"Oh do give it up !!
You joined this site on 17th August 2012
and the following are a sample of your first posts, they make good reading, it is great to see how consistent you have been.
You may be an Apprentice of something but it is not The Maestro".
Hardly fair points to move the discussion forward.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 11:29:16 PM
Let's recap from my point of view:
HatterDon posted his ten points. An opinion. Perfectly fine.
There were various responses questioning and supporting. It's a forum. Posters should expect and encourage this perfectly fine.
There were some responses that were not in the spirit of a forum:
"Well, who could have predicted a comment like this? I am completely bumfuzzled in surprise. What insight!
Now I know who FofF put in charge of determining who is and who isn't a Fulham supporter."
and
"It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite."
and
"Oh do give it up !!
You joined this site on 17th August 2012
and the following are a sample of your first posts, they make good reading, it is great to see how consistent you have been.
You may be an Apprentice of something but it is not The Maestro".
Hardly fair points to move the discussion forward.
You're kidding, right? Does anybody else think he's kidding with this? I mean, does anybody think he's SERIOUS?
I do like a good laugh. Thanks! 064.gif 064.gif 064.gif
I am directly asking if you would consider your quote below to fall into the category of unsubstantiated claims and comments?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro
Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others.
Quote from: YankeeJim on January 21, 2013, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: BarryP on January 21, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: BarryP on January 21, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 05:10:10 PM
Presumably you are referring to me. I do not post in a disrespectful frame of mind but in threads like this with posts like some of the above I will challenge the content of posts.
HatterDon puts up 10 points that may or may not be true but which don't seem to have any backing evidence when challenged by others and I ask how that affects the situation. Someone else makes a claim for Dempsey's legend status on weak grounds to which I offer counterarguments.
What kind of forum protects posters who put up unsubstantiated comments and claims by damning posts that challenge them as disrespectful?
Would you not file this in the unsubstantiated claims and comments bin?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro
Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others.
Amoung the many opinions that float about regarding Dempsey within the FOF family the one fact that would be difficult to argue against is the man does tend to stir up passionate sentiment when he is discussed on this board.
Signed: Patiently awaiting an answer aka BarryP
PS - I do like the way you always manage to try and sidestep these little questions.
Sorry if you are waiting for an answer from me but honestly did not understand that it was directed at me or quite what it means.
I have reread it and maybe this is an answer: HatterDon ends his post with the 10 points with "No links. Just information I've picked up here and there and some analysis". I would say that that therefore comes within the realm of `unsubstantiated comments and claims'.
Good Lord man:
o·pin·ion
[uh-pin-yuh n] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal
`unsubstantiated comments and claims ' or opinions pretty much the same and fine. There is no issue with that.
The point was that responding to the opinion was said to be disrespectful.
Quote from: BarryP on January 21, 2013, 11:39:36 PM
I am directly asking if you would consider your quote below to fall into the category of unsubstantiated claims and comments?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro
Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others.
Of course, or equally an opinion. I am allowed one, am I?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 11:42:45 PM
Quote from: BarryP on January 21, 2013, 11:39:36 PM
I am directly asking if you would consider your quote below to fall into the category of unsubstantiated claims and comments?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro
Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others.
Of course, or equally an opinion. I am allowed one, am I?
Of course you are. Don stated an opinion on the first page of this thread and here we are on page five still going over the problems that you and enterthefrei have with his opnion. :kettle pot:
Quote from: HatterDon on January 21, 2013, 11:35:07 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on January 21, 2013, 11:29:16 PM
Let's recap from my point of view:
HatterDon posted his ten points. An opinion. Perfectly fine.
There were various responses questioning and supporting. It's a forum. Posters should expect and encourage this perfectly fine.
There were some responses that were not in the spirit of a forum:
"Well, who could have predicted a comment like this? I am completely bumfuzzled in surprise. What insight!
Now I know who FofF put in charge of determining who is and who isn't a Fulham supporter."
and
"It pays sometimes to just skip on by posters who are disrespectful and just like to wind people up. I've seen the same disrespect in multiple threads by the same poster. If I were the rest of you, I just wouldn't bite."
and
"Oh do give it up !!
You joined this site on 17th August 2012
and the following are a sample of your first posts, they make good reading, it is great to see how consistent you have been.
You may be an Apprentice of something but it is not The Maestro".
Hardly fair points to move the discussion forward.
You're kidding, right? Does anybody else think he's kidding with this? I mean, does anybody think he's SERIOUS?
I do like a good laugh. Thanks! 064.gif 064.gif 064.gif
I am just pointing out that some posters are very sensitive about certain subjects and when their firmly held beliefs are questioned they overreact, loose the ability to put together coherent points to form an argument and resort to abuse.
It doesn't say much for the strength of their argument does it?
Look, everyone, just take a deep breath and hold your fire. Those that don't like Clint will continue to diminish his accomplishments, gloss over his professionalism and good manners five years and running--with a hiccup when he left for reasons which might or might not be attributable to him. Those who think he was one of the three most influential players to put on a Fulham shirt in the club's history--well, they have their rightful arguments too. HD, your post was the first one to attempt to put a comprehensive timeline explanation of events that has run counter to the perhaps simplistic "Clint is an ingrate; I hate him, good riddance" argument that passed as conventional wisdom. You aren't prone to hyperbole. Your comments are always astute and interesting, and very enjoyable reading. So when you set forth your list of ten 'facts' (or assertions), you get a measure of street cred (as my son would say). If some of your information is coming from McBride (or McGod as he's often called by people who hate Clint but love McBride), well, they should consider that before rushing to respond. In any event your message was crystal clear that much of what you put forth was based on tidbits of information gathered here and there--nothing so solid you could swear by it. If people would calm down a little and read more carefully... All I know is that IF Clint asked for but was refused a four-year deal, then how can people say he was disloyal or wanted nothing more than to bolt for the turnstiles? Again, that's IF Clint asked for a four year deal. Bottom line, he has been personally responsible for a number of key wins and ties at Spurs this season. For those who say he isn't liked by the fans, I say in reply that I have seen a lot of very positive Spurs fan commentary about him, so maybe it's a case of seeing what you want to see. I want to see positive; those who still have an itch they can't scratch about him maybe want to hear only the negative. Every player has detractors and supporters from the stands. The cut of your jib just won't please everybody. That's life. In the end, I trust my gut. When he scored the tying goal yesterday, I lost it. I jumped out of my recliner like I was 20 again. I don't understand how any of you who watched him all these years at Fulham wouldn't do the same. When you become a fan of a player, can you really shut off the spigot when he moves to another team? I wasn't given those genes. The other day, I saw a grown man with West Ham jersey with Lampard on the back. Made complete sense to me.
ForeverFulham,
I have to say I admire your intelligent if futile post. Dempsey, on these boards, provokes the same type of gut response that religion or politics produce. People feel it and there's no real discussion. I find it a cross between being emothional and being a troll. I do believe that he got/gets way, way more flack then he deserved and also was defended more than he deserved. I've heard it said that there can be no hate unless love first preceded. Dempsey provokes a feeling of betrayal in some. Why Moose doesn't is beyond me. Perhaps Moose is that pretty blonde we had a flirtation with and Dempsey is that lost love.
This is my first post on this board.
God knows I felt Dempsey had a fantastic season last year. Nobody can doubt that. However, one fantastic season does not make him the player that his fans would have people believe. As far as I saw he had many average seasons before last, year belived his own hype and decided that he was better than us (a team that was built around him).
At Spurs he has shown how average he is, scoring a few goals but hardly setting the world alight. Like many Fulham players before him , he has jumped the fence to pastures that are not as green as they first seemed.
Quote from: Cally on January 22, 2013, 01:59:24 AM
This is my first post on this board.
God knows I felt Dempsey had a fantastic season last year. Nobody can doubt that. However, one fantastic season does not make him the player that his fans would have people believe. As far as I saw he had many average seasons before last, year belived his own hype and decided that he was better than us (a team that was built around him).Excellent post Cally
At Spurs he has shown how average he is, scoring a few goals but hardly setting the world alight. Like many Fulham players before him , he has jumped the fence to pastures that are not as green as they first seemed.
Quote from: Cally on January 22, 2013, 01:59:24 AM
This is my first post on this board.
God knows I felt Dempsey had a fantastic season last year. Nobody can doubt that. However, one fantastic season does not make him the player that his fans would have people believe. As far as I saw he had many average seasons before last, year belived his own hype and decided that he was better than us (a team that was built around him).
At Spurs he has shown how average he is, scoring a few goals but hardly setting the world alight. Like many Fulham players before him , he has jumped the fence to pastures that are not as green as they first seemed.
Welcome to the site. This a very incisive first post. I look forward to reading more from you. Don't be shy!
Quote from: Cally on January 22, 2013, 01:59:24 AM
This is my first post on this board.
God knows I felt Dempsey had a fantastic season last year. Nobody can doubt that. However, one fantastic season does not make him the player that his fans would have people believe. As far as I saw he had many average seasons before last, year belived his own hype and decided that he was better than us (a team that was built around him).
At Spurs he has shown how average he is, scoring a few goals but hardly setting the world alight. Like many Fulham players before him , he has jumped the fence to pastures that are not as green as they first seemed.
welcome to the fire kid, sorry in advance...
Ya he took four points off of manchester united including the game winner at old trafford, that's something the average player does regularly... oh wait, not even the "great" players have done that this season... huh? Thanks for posting though, don't get discouraged I just dissagree...
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro
Dempsey is a modest part of the club's PL history and even then he would come behind players like vdS, Schwarzer, Murphy and McBride and others. Across the whole history he slips even further into the background.
I get that you are fans of his but the continuing effort to tell us that we under-appreciate him and how important he was is grang. We have seen his career. We have seen the contributions of others. We can make up our own minds.
I am glad we can agree that what you posted is an opinion an of course you are entitled to your opinion Apprentice. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Do try to keep that in mind when you repeatedly and insistently post to tell people what they should and should not be posting. Try to keep in mind that we have read the negative posts about Dempsey and seen the contributions of other posters. We can make up our own minds about what we have seen and read and do not require your constant correction on what opinions we would or should not post.
I have no issue with those that dislike the way Dempsey departed of those that did not appreciate his style of play. It is too bad others are not allowed to express an opinion without being told it is grating as you must be allowed to do.
As for me, I think Fulham badly misses Deuce's ugly goals and I hope we can find someone that can replicate his recent proficiency in front of goal.
I missed the part about Liverpool acknowledging they were tapping him up all summer. Which, through anecdotal evidence, could be seen in any USMNT game when the announcer would say "Dempsey deserves a move to a bigger club" 6718924 times per game.
That said I still view him as an ex. I'm happy for him and his future, especially when he scores against the Crazy Uncle, because I'm a good person. But I'm still jilted and bitter over the whole affair.
Quote from: CanadianCottager on January 21, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
Facts of the matter.
Clint Dempsey is one of the key contributors to Fulham's recent spell in England's top flight and various achievements such as Fulham's Europa league run and Great Escape.
Clint Dempsey is the club's best ever Premier League scorer.
Clint Dempsey spoke increasingly about moving on from Fulham towards the end of his career in the white and black.
Liverpool tapped up Dempsey.
Jol did not select Dempsey for any match squad this (pre-)season.
Tottenham bought Dempsey.
Everything else is he-said-she-said conjecture and shouldn't be treated like fact. Whether or not Dempsey is a club legend is ultimately an opinion that fans are entitled to have, and as opinions tend to do they sometimes drag in emotional reasons, which are perfectly fine but shouldn't be treated like fact. Personally, as a human being, I completely sympathize with Dempsey's desire to test himself in a different context. In my OPINION, there is nothing wrong wanting to try new pastures, and in my OPINION all the squabbling about who was in wrong about the way he left is not only completely unverifiable but also kind of useless. As a Fulham fan, I'm unhappy about him leaving as he was an important part of the team. I don't know who to be unhappy at, and finger pointing is useless unless Jol, MAF, and Dempsey all decide to have a press conference and explain to us a consistent story of what really happen, as well as telling us where the aliens from Roswell are and who the second shooter was.
Until then, I will watch his past achievements with Fulham with fondness and hope that he doesn't conjure anything up when he plays against Fulham.
Facts and reason? What fun are they? Yanks and Brits, we're naturally argumentative arses...ever since the English came to our country queued up and let us shoot at them we thought, now these are the type of people we want to play with... The only way we enjoy ourselves is to be miserable, so this conversation is perfect.
Quote from: Cally on January 22, 2013, 01:59:24 AM
This is my first post on this board.
God knows I felt Dempsey had a fantastic season last year. Nobody can doubt that. However, one fantastic season does not make him the player that his fans would have people believe. As far as I saw he had many average seasons before last, year belived his own hype and decided that he was better than us (a team that was built around him).
At Spurs he has shown how average he is, scoring a few goals but hardly setting the world alight. Like many Fulham players before him , he has jumped the fence to pastures that are not as green as they first seemed.
I don't think Dempsey is just your Mr average - anymore. He was, for quite a while, with the super whites but just improved year on year. He has become an exceptional player and this I feel we should be proud of. He has certainly contributed to some of our greatest moments in history. The problem for me is that he left under a cloud and really didn't need to. He blotted his record for many of us and it is really a shame. I think a lot of anger we feel is real disappointment that he left. And if we are really honest, would prefer him to see out his career with us - after all , it was us that took the chance on him and developed him? I think I've started to calm down about his leaving now and really miss him. But, I'm not sure that I can forgive the way he left even though I understand his reasons! I'm not so sure though that playing for the fake whites is as good as he could have got!
Quote from: McBridefan1 on January 22, 2013, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: CanadianCottager on January 21, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
Facts of the matter.
Clint Dempsey is one of the key contributors to Fulham's recent spell in England's top flight and various achievements such as Fulham's Europa league run and Great Escape.
Clint Dempsey is the club's best ever Premier League scorer.
Clint Dempsey spoke increasingly about moving on from Fulham towards the end of his career in the white and black.
Liverpool tapped up Dempsey.
Jol did not select Dempsey for any match squad this (pre-)season.
Tottenham bought Dempsey.
Everything else is he-said-she-said conjecture and shouldn't be treated like fact. Whether or not Dempsey is a club legend is ultimately an opinion that fans are entitled to have, and as opinions tend to do they sometimes drag in emotional reasons, which are perfectly fine but shouldn't be treated like fact. Personally, as a human being, I completely sympathize with Dempsey's desire to test himself in a different context. In my OPINION, there is nothing wrong wanting to try new pastures, and in my OPINION all the squabbling about who was in wrong about the way he left is not only completely unverifiable but also kind of useless. As a Fulham fan, I'm unhappy about him leaving as he was an important part of the team. I don't know who to be unhappy at, and finger pointing is useless unless Jol, MAF, and Dempsey all decide to have a press conference and explain to us a consistent story of what really happen, as well as telling us where the aliens from Roswell are and who the second shooter was.
Until then, I will watch his past achievements with Fulham with fondness and hope that he doesn't conjure anything up when he plays against Fulham.
Facts and reason? What fun are they? Yanks and Brits, we're naturally argumentative arses...ever since the English came to our country queued up and let us shoot at them we thought, now these are the type of people we want to play with... The only way we enjoy ourselves is to be miserable, so this conversation is perfect.
That's all well and good shooting at us, but that was with bow and arrows! If we hadn't come over you could've been called 'Buffalo on a hill' or 'Sleeping Wolf' or such like! Your leader would have been 'Nervous Elk' (name that film!)
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Quote from: Cally on January 22, 2013, 01:59:24 AM
This is my first post on this board.
God knows I felt Dempsey had a fantastic season last year. Nobody can doubt that. However, one fantastic season does not make him the player that his fans would have people believe. As far as I saw he had many average seasons before last, year belived his own hype and decided that he was better than us (a team that was built around him).
At Spurs he has shown how average he is, scoring a few goals but hardly setting the world alight. Like many Fulham players before him , he has jumped the fence to pastures that are not as green as they first seemed.
Welcome to the board! I hope that you'll continue contributing.
I agree that his last season with us was a fantastic one. What I don't agree with, regarding his fans (from here is where I suppose your gathering your information), is that they're using that one season to define the entirety of his time at Fulham. I've not seen that from anyone that I can recall. What I have seen are people speaking to his entire tenure here when touting him as the fine servant he was to the club. Not one of us here knows what happened in pre-season, so I leave that out of the equation.
Beyond that, what I saw was a player who is confident enough in his own abilities to believe he can fit in with a bigger club and succeed. Apparently, his new manager agrees. I'm not sure why anyone would expect that he'd set the world alight at Spurs. They are more talented than us with more scoring options. It would make sense that his goal scoring responsibilities would subside somewhat and that it would take him some time to grow his role within a new team, especially a team that can afford the talent they can.
They are in a Champions League position currently and he's playing. I'd say the grass likely still looks pretty green to him.
Again, keep posting. We can agree. We can disagree. At the end of the day, I just hope we win. COYW!
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 22, 2013, 09:44:40 PM
Quote from: McBridefan1 on January 22, 2013, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: CanadianCottager on January 21, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
Facts of the matter.
Clint Dempsey is one of the key contributors to Fulham's recent spell in England's top flight and various achievements such as Fulham's Europa league run and Great Escape.
Clint Dempsey is the club's best ever Premier League scorer.
Clint Dempsey spoke increasingly about moving on from Fulham towards the end of his career in the white and black.
Liverpool tapped up Dempsey.
Jol did not select Dempsey for any match squad this (pre-)season.
Tottenham bought Dempsey.
Everything else is he-said-she-said conjecture and shouldn't be treated like fact. Whether or not Dempsey is a club legend is ultimately an opinion that fans are entitled to have, and as opinions tend to do they sometimes drag in emotional reasons, which are perfectly fine but shouldn't be treated like fact. Personally, as a human being, I completely sympathize with Dempsey's desire to test himself in a different context. In my OPINION, there is nothing wrong wanting to try new pastures, and in my OPINION all the squabbling about who was in wrong about the way he left is not only completely unverifiable but also kind of useless. As a Fulham fan, I'm unhappy about him leaving as he was an important part of the team. I don't know who to be unhappy at, and finger pointing is useless unless Jol, MAF, and Dempsey all decide to have a press conference and explain to us a consistent story of what really happen, as well as telling us where the aliens from Roswell are and who the second shooter was.
Until then, I will watch his past achievements with Fulham with fondness and hope that he doesn't conjure anything up when he plays against Fulham.
Facts and reason? What fun are they? Yanks and Brits, we're naturally argumentative arses...ever since the English came to our country queued up and let us shoot at them we thought, now these are the type of people we want to play with... The only way we enjoy ourselves is to be miserable, so this conversation is perfect.
That's all well and good shooting at us, but that was with bow and arrows! If we hadn't come over you could've been called 'Buffalo on a hill' or 'Sleeping Wolf' or such like! Your leader would have been 'Nervous Elk' (name that film!)
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The villain with Arnold the governator Schwarzenegger...lol. Nervous elk.
