It has to be said that there are a very vocal few on here who don't believe in our manager's ability, some based on the run of games recently, but most have had it in for him since the off. When asked who the alternatives are, there is a consistent theme. Lee Clark, Nigel Adkins, even old sparky was said to be a better manager.
It's my belief that the dislike is based on nothing more than xenophobia. He'll never be able to do right for some and that just the way it's going to be.
Yup - we're all anti Dutch.
No Dutch manager will be acceptable to us even if he manages to win twice in fifteen games.
Or Welsh, or French
We need an English Manager like Sanchez (born in Lambeth)
He could be a Martian (Jol) for all I care - just win some bloody matches
Simples
I like gus poyet and the reason i have not been a 'Jol fan' are for mainly objective reasons.
I don't think xenophobia is the reason people critisise, results and performances are what counts.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 24, 2013, 06:55:58 PM
even if he manages to win twice in fifteen games.
This is just the short termism view that gets managers sacked at the wrong time.
Yes, we've had a bad spell over those 15 games, but personally I see Jol getting us out of that bad spell.
Not sure if your statement was meant to indicate you were against Jol, or was just tongue in cheek, but if the former, be careful what you wish for.
Nearly half a season isn't short term...
Quote from: Chesh on January 24, 2013, 07:09:02 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 24, 2013, 06:55:58 PM
even if he manages to win twice in fifteen games.
This is just the short termism view that gets managers sacked at the wrong time.
Yes, we've had a bad spell over those 15 games, but personally I see Jol getting us out of that bad spell.
Not sure if your statement was meant to indicate you were against Jol, or was just tongue in cheek, but if the former, be careful what you wish for.
I hope you're right but I fear you're not.
I'm not against any Fulham manager who succeeds and I can sympathise with those that don't but I have a very bad feeling about Jol's management right now.
It doesn't seem to me that he's in control and knows what to do. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Quote from: Rudolph on January 24, 2013, 06:50:43 PM
It has to be said that there are a very vocal few on here who don't believe in our manager's ability, some based on the run of games recently, but most have had it in for him since the off. When asked who the alternatives are, there is a consistent theme. Lee Clark, Nigel Adkins, even old sparky was said to be a better manager.
It's my belief that the dislike is based on nothing more than xenophobia. He'll never be able to do right for some and that just the way it's going to be.
That has got to be the worst defence of Jol on here, shows you have run out of ideas so you insult peoples intelligence
It hasn't been that long ago we were in the top six, scoring at will and Jol was a genius. We are Diarra's fitness from being that same team. Has anyone in the league had as many injuries to key people as we have? The year we got to the Europa final, not one of our top people were out for any long spell. The team will come good yet again.
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Fair enough - my view having listened to him intently in most of the interviews (not saying you haven't) is that he too sees all the things most of us recognise, and just needs a few things to come together (especially in terms of signings he knows we need) to put it right.
I think the likes of me are a bit more patient than some, and can see that it is not an overnight thing.
You fear I am wrong, but experience of our time in the Prem gives me the expectation that we will do better than at least 3 teams this season (quite comfortably in the end) and just like in 2008, it will make Jol and the team stronger.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 24, 2013, 06:55:58 PM
Yup - we're all anti Dutch.
No Dutch manager will be acceptable to us even if he manages to win twice in fifteen games.
Dutch?! Oh, I thought he was Swiss like Senderos. In that case, Jol in!!
Xenophobia aside, I don't dislike Jol but he needs to pull his finger out sharpish. I raised my concerns after Norwich away last year and although we started well this year, the team have been woeful of late and unfortunately the buck stops with him!
I feel Jol has lost the dressing room, we are playing poor football with very little attacking intent, he is too scared to drop players and continues to play people who are out of form. We are a poor predictable sde, and Jol has no answers..... its for these reasons I want Jol out.
I am hopeful that he prooves me wrong, brings in some decent players and gets us playing football which is enjoyable to watch, because I want stability in our Manager, like Everton have wth Moyes.... I just dont feel Jol is thrle long term man
I kinda feel like this topic is going a bit far :/ maybe it's just me. Xenophobia? That's a big thing to accuse people of...
Sure, nothing to do with our performances over the last 4 months. Get a grip.
For most of the period of the 15 games Jol has always had at least four of players he would have played injured. We have a virtually fully fit squad now let us see what happens.
How many people would still want Jol if we were bottom of the league after 15 games, which is where we would pretty much be? I don't remember Sanchez getting this much slack and he had Mcbride and Bullard out but that didn't buy him any time.
Jol is the man to take us forward we turned it around last season & we will again
...people don't like Jol because they are xenaphobic! I have never read such twaddle, frankly embarrassing.
I don't care if he was martian like Sanchez as long as he gets the team playing like a cohesive unit and we win more games than we lose by actually taking shots on goal!
Ye gods..!
There are several Dutch managers I'd like to see at Motspur Park instead of Jol.
Ruud Gullit
Guus Hiddink
Johann Cruyff
Louis van Gaal, and of course
Alan Curbishly :Get Coat gif:
Quote from: HatterDon on January 24, 2013, 08:43:52 PM
There are several Dutch managers I'd like to see at Motspur Park instead of Jol.
Ruud Gullit
Guus Hiddink
Johann Cruyff
Louis van Gaal, and of course
Alan Curbishly :Get Coat gif:
You know, that is my greatest fear. It would be so Fulhamish after so many clubs have rejected Curbishley, for us to get him.
Quote from: HatterDon on January 24, 2013, 08:43:52 PM
There are several Dutch managers I'd like to see at Motspur Park instead of Jol.
Ruud Gullit
Guus Hiddink
Johann Cruyff
Louis van Gaal, and of course
Alan Curbishly :Get Coat gif:
And they will all get 50mil to spend straight away. Dream on.
Quote from: Rudolph on January 24, 2013, 06:50:43 PM
It has to be said that there are a very vocal few on here who don't believe in our manager's ability, some based on the run of games recently, but most have had it in for him since the off. When asked who the alternatives are, there is a consistent theme. Lee Clark, Nigel Adkins, even old sparky was said to be a better manager.
It's my belief that the dislike is based on nothing more than xenophobia. He'll never be able to do right for some and that just the way it's going to be.
What an extraordinary accusation not backed up in any way
Why exactly do you believe this?
Negative comments by genuine FFC fans,entitled to their views on his management style,leadership capabilities,team choice,results etc do not count as evidence of xenophobia
Jol has long been touted by MAF & the Board as the "one" who was always wanted by them to manage FFC
If that is true then the way he has been treated by them hardly supports those claims
He has had the core of an excellent team whipped away from under him & sold right @ the start of this season albeit for good reasons to get any worthwhile money for them
He certainly should have known the perilous situation the 2 D's were in as far as what little was left of their contracts - & the buy out clause for Demebe
He most certainly should have targetted suitable replacements well before this occured knowing it was likely to happen & ensured that they were signed up
There is considerable doubt as to whether he has the nouce to get us out of this mess
Do you really think that MAF & the Board will give him the funds now - or @ the end of the season to rebuild in the summer?
The jury is definitely out
We all hope that he pulls the rabbit out of the hat & the games against West Ham & Norwich (never mind MAn U) are crucial now especially as we lost so many points recently against those teams around & below us
Substantiate your claims or withdraw the accusation!
Guus Hiddink is the real deal. Ruud--a players' coach if ever there was one.
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WUM or idiot. You decide.
I think the lad's got a point. When I sat back and thought about it, I realised that the ONLY reason I dislike Martin Jol is because he is Dutch. It's a disgrace that a Dutchman should be put in charge of a good English club like Fulham. What must all the English lads (Steve Sidwell and um.. well that's it really.) in our team think about this foreigner coming in and taking a job that an English manager should be in?
It makes mes ashamed to be English.. Oh wait, I'm Irish.
Still, the point stands.
I will not agree with the Xenophobe comment, but I do agree that Jol appears to be spot on in his press conferences after a poor performance. He seems to point out what we all see, and states what seems to many on here to be apparent.
So, why doesn't it change?
I am a fan of Jol, but I just cannot understand how he can identify the problems and yet not right the ship.
I do not think that he is a bad manager, but I just cannot stop wondering what is happening.
I do not want him out.
I DO want him to correct the problem I see with lack of passion and effort. He has to be able to motivate the team, and get them to perform at the highest standard. This is key to being a good manager. He has done this in the past, but something has been missing recently. The "team" needs to work as a TEAM!
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on January 25, 2013, 12:19:13 AM
He certainly should have known the perilous situation the 2 D's were in as far as what little was left of their contracts - & the buy out clause for Demebe
He most certainly should have targetted suitable replacements well before this occured knowing it was likely to happen & ensured that they were signed up
I'm not convinced that the picture is as bad as you paint it.
Whatever you think of Berbatov now, when we signed him, he clearly rated as the replacement for Dempsey's goalscoring prowess. Diarra's arrival, moreover, indicates that Jol foresaw the possibility of Murphy's departure. Further still, that another club would be prepared to pay £15M for Dembele was far from a forgone conclusion. Indeed, had Dembele not outshone the Manchester United midfield so comprehensively at the end of August, I believe he would still be a Fulham player.
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on January 25, 2013, 12:19:13 AM
Do you really think that MAF & the Board will give him the funds now - or @ the end of the season to rebuild in the summer?
When MAF no longer trusts Jol, it is reasonable to assume he'll be fired. Until then, what is there to suggest that MAF would withhold, from Jol, money he would otherwise make available to a different manager?
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on January 25, 2013, 12:19:13 AM
the games against West Ham & Norwich (never mind MAn U) are crucial now
They're more important than games earlier in the season, but they're unlikely to be crucial. Some on here were saying the Wigan game was crucial. But it hasn't relegated us. And nor will we be after the West Ham and Norwich games, irrespective of their outcomes.
