if true not really an exciting signing, whats the point when we have kelly. Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much (my cousins support wolfsburg and say hes solid at most) if we keep baird what is the point in this signing...
i am not slagging him off but just saying if we wanted to replace kelly then at least have someone younger and a bit more attack minded down the wing with a killer cross. Thats what we need
He runs around a lot.
That's about it.
I Think these quotes are new as well:
"I look forward to football in England. You hear more of the fast ball that is played there."
Whether he once again putting on its shoes for the FC? "You never know what happened."
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.de%2Ffc-koeln%2Fkaderplanung-fc-leiht-riether-an-den-fc-fulham-aus%2C3192%2C16561460.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.de%2Ffc-koeln%2Fkaderplanung-fc-leiht-riether-an-den-fc-fulham-aus%2C3192%2C16561460.html)
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:08:42 PM
if true not really an exciting signing, whats the point when we have kelly. Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much (my cousins support wolfsburg and say hes solid at most) if we keep baird what is the point in this signing...
i am not slagging him off but just saying if we wanted to replace kelly then at least have someone younger and a bit more attack minded down the wing with a killer cross. Thats what we need
As I understand things Reither was very popular amongst the Wolfsburg supporters and was regarded as one of the Bundesliga's best right backs when they won the title back in 2009. He's been described to me as an extremely industrious full back who gets up and down the flank whenever there's an opportunity, plus he's solid defensively.
I guess that he won't be coming here with much confidence though as his current club, Köln, got relegated last season and he was mostly used as a defensive midfielder.
I don't really get this deal, nor the option to buy him after his loan as he'll be 30 and in decline.
He sounds like a squad replacement for Grygera.
Quote from: twang on July 06, 2012, 12:23:26 PM
I Think these quotes are new as well:
"I look forward to football in England. You hear more of the fast ball that is played there."
Whether he once again putting on its shoes for the FC? "You never know what happened."
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.de%2Ffc-koeln%2Fkaderplanung-fc-leiht-riether-an-den-fc-fulham-aus%2C3192%2C16561460.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.de%2Ffc-koeln%2Fkaderplanung-fc-leiht-riether-an-den-fc-fulham-aus%2C3192%2C16561460.html)
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:08:42 PM
if true not really an exciting signing, whats the point when we have kelly. Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much (my cousins support wolfsburg and say hes solid at most) if we keep baird what is the point in this signing...
i am not slagging him off but just saying if we wanted to replace kelly then at least have someone younger and a bit more attack minded down the wing with a killer cross. Thats what we need
As I understand things Reither was very popular amongst the Wolfsburg supporters and was regarded as one of the Bundesliga's best right backs when they won the title back in 2009. He's been described to me as an extremely industrious full back who gets up and down the flank whenever there's an opportunity, plus he's solid defensively.
I guess that he won't be coming here with much confidence though as his current club, Köln, got relegated last season and he was mostly used as a defensive midfielder.
well they have said that he is solid which is what we need but he does not have a killer cross and does get caught out of positions (pretty much like kelly at times).
He may be a star signing and put in a shift but history and form suggests he will be another solid player which i feel we already have in baird and kelly. I was hoping we would sign someone younger with a bit more flair and ability and not a 29 year old who like you said did not play very well last season.
Fingers crossed but I would have prefered a younger attacking player dying for game time
A year's loan with an option to purchase is comparatively risk free though.
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:30:09 PM
well they have said that he is solid which is what we need but he does not have a killer cross and does get caught out of positions (pretty much like kelly at times).
He may be a star signing and put in a shift but history and form suggests he will be another solid player which i feel we already have in baird and kelly. I was hoping we would sign someone younger with a bit more flair and ability and not a 29 year old who like you said did not play very well last season.
Fingers crossed but I would have prefered a younger attacking player dying for game time
Unless it's just simply a short term fix because Jol can't find a good right back that represents value.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
A year's loan with an option to purchase is comparatively risk free though.
but a waste when we could get a youngster in who is always improving instead of a 29 year old sitting on a wage knowing he is not first choice
@ mr moon
true, maybe that is the case but then why not stick simon davies at right back lol he did a solid job at times
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
A year's loan with an option to purchase is comparatively risk free though.
but a waste when we could get a youngster in who is always improving instead of a 29 year old sitting on a wage knowing he is not first choice
The guy's played for Germany and at 29 he could have 5 more good years.
I'd never heard of him so don't know what to expect but presumably the Fulham scouts have done due diligence.
His team got relegated or struggled (dont follow BL). IF we went down Hangeland wouldnt be deemed rubbish by us so why do we judge this guy?
Every signing thats unknown we slate. Pog was slated on here and the Official Forum. He may be class for us, give him a chance first!
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 12:37:14 PM
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
A year's loan with an option to purchase is comparatively risk free though.
but a waste when we could get a youngster in who is always improving instead of a 29 year old sitting on a wage knowing he is not first choice
The guy's played for Germany and at 29 he could have 5 more good years.
I'd never heard of him so don't know what to expect but presumably the Fulham scouts have done due diligence.
Where the f*** did that flag come from.
I typed Germany.
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
@ mr moon
true, maybe that is the case but then why not stick simon davies at right back lol he did a solid job at times
Can we please stop trying to get Simon Davies to play rightback. He is not a rightback, he never has been, and never will be. He's a winger, getting old, not enough pace for out backline, nor does he have a defensive mind that we need.
Please, stop it.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 12:38:11 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 12:37:14 PM
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
A year's loan with an option to purchase is comparatively risk free though.
but a waste when we could get a youngster in who is always improving instead of a 29 year old sitting on a wage knowing he is not first choice
The guy's played for Germany and at 29 he could have 5 more good years.
I'd never heard of him so don't know what to expect but presumably the Fulham scouts have done due diligence.
Where the f*** did that flag come from.
I typed Germany.
F*** again.
As Tony says, sounds like a replacement for Grygera.
Sounds risk free on a loan and he has played at a high level in Germany.
These kind of signings are Fulham's bread and butter - taking lesser known players/older players on cheap deals and seeing if it works out.
As far as I can see, this represents more money to be spent on strikers/midfielders/wingers.
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
A year's loan with an option to purchase is comparatively risk free though.
but a waste when we could get a youngster in who is always improving instead of a 29 year old sitting on a wage knowing he is not first choice
Younger players don't always improve though, that's the problem. Clyne/Naughton/Another would certainly be a more exciting signing but could, for all we know, turn out to be another Liam Rosenior. One thing is for sure, they would cost much more money.
We also don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Kelly could chose to leave on a free and Grygera might not get a new contract. That would mean that we're down to just Baird, the centre back, in the right back spot.
I know I thought Grygera (old, not very exciting full back) was last season's most underwhelming signing by a country mile, yet he was absolutely ace until his knee went.
@dduece ....and you think kelly and this german guy have pace as well :005: :005: :005: :005: :005: :005: :005:
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 12:45:37 PM
As Tony says, sounds like a replacement for Grygera.
Sounds risk free on a loan and he has played at a high level in Germany.
These kind of signings are Fulham's bread and butter - taking lesser known players/older players on cheap deals and seeing if it works out.
As far as I can see, this represents more money to be spent on strikers/midfielders/wingers.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Get rid of that flag.
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:46:57 PM
@dduece ....and you think kelly and this german guy have pace as well :005: :005: :005: :005: :005: :005: :005:
Did I say Kelly has pace?
and this German guy is quick, not fast fast, but quick.
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: twang on July 06, 2012, 12:23:26 PM
I Think these quotes are new as well:
"I look forward to football in England. You hear more of the fast ball that is played there."
Whether he once again putting on its shoes for the FC? "You never know what happened."
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.de%2Ffc-koeln%2Fkaderplanung-fc-leiht-riether-an-den-fc-fulham-aus%2C3192%2C16561460.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.de%2Ffc-koeln%2Fkaderplanung-fc-leiht-riether-an-den-fc-fulham-aus%2C3192%2C16561460.html)
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:08:42 PM
if true not really an exciting signing, whats the point when we have kelly. Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much (my cousins support wolfsburg and say hes solid at most) if we keep baird what is the point in this signing...
i am not slagging him off but just saying if we wanted to replace kelly then at least have someone younger and a bit more attack minded down the wing with a killer cross. Thats what we need
As I understand things Reither was very popular amongst the Wolfsburg supporters and was regarded as one of the Bundesliga's best right backs when they won the title back in 2009. He's been described to me as an extremely industrious full back who gets up and down the flank whenever there's an opportunity, plus he's solid defensively.
I guess that he won't be coming here with much confidence though as his current club, Köln, got relegated last season and he was mostly used as a defensive midfielder.
well they have said that he is solid which is what we need but he does not have a killer cross and does get caught out of positions (pretty much like kelly at times).
He may be a star signing and put in a shift but history and form suggests he will be another solid player which i feel we already have in baird and kelly. I was hoping we would sign someone younger with a bit more flair and ability and not a 29 year old who like you said did not play very well last season.
Fingers crossed but I would have prefered a younger attacking player dying for game time
Might be a controversial view but I wouldnt be at all surprised to see Baird return to Southampton, he is there ex club captain and left on good terms and has not featured much (albeit for non footballing reasons) so he may feel it is a sensible move.
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
@ mr moon
true, maybe that is the case but then why not stick simon davies at right back lol he did a solid job at times
Doesn't Davies have injury problems though? I suppose there are other things to take into consideration like wage demands. Offering Davies a new contract will now impact on our FFP wage total so the management have to assess whether they think it's worth keeping him on. He's going to be 33 in October. I don't know how long left he has on his contract but we should sell up before his worth is amortised to nothing.
Ideally I'd rather we went for a better right back, but I also think that Kelly has been quite good this season so Riether would be temporary low cost competition/cover. We have an adequate amount of players who can play wide right or attacking right mid too.
Also I see Baird has been mentioned. Fully expecting him to leave.
it looks like he is a gap player a player to fill a gap until next season but could be wrong
What is it with some Fulham Fans, they go on and on about we have to sign players and when we do, they immediately slag them off, without even seeing them play. Just give the guy a chance
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 12:47:46 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 12:45:37 PM
As Tony says, sounds like a replacement for Grygera.
Sounds risk free on a loan and he has played at a high level in Germany.
These kind of signings are Fulham's bread and butter - taking lesser known players/older players on cheap deals and seeing if it works out.
As far as I can see, this represents more money to be spent on strikers/midfielders/wingers.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Get rid of that flag.
what flag?
Quote from: Peabody on July 06, 2012, 01:10:51 PM
What is it with some Fulham Fans, they go on and on about we have to sign players and when we do, they immediately slag them off, without even seeing them play. Just give the guy a chance
No one has slagged him off and with all due respect Peabody, people do watch football beyond Fulham so they are bound to have seen him play before.
OK, slagged off is the wrong description but there are certainley bits about his ability and as far as seeing him play, I would doubt if they have seen him play regularly but there you go, its all about opinions and I have just expressed mine.
Quote from: Mr_Moon on July 06, 2012, 12:19:29 PM
He runs around a lot.
That's about it.
but does he fall over and is he jaded from too much football?
well hes german so we can all agree he will be efficient and wont break down
:Germany:
Quote from: WhiteJC on July 06, 2012, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 12:47:46 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 12:45:37 PM
As Tony says, sounds like a replacement for Grygera.
Sounds risk free on a loan and he has played at a high level in Germany.
These kind of signings are Fulham's bread and butter - taking lesser known players/older players on cheap deals and seeing if it works out.
As far as I can see, this represents more money to be spent on strikers/midfielders/wingers.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Get rid of that flag.
what flag?
Damn you mods!
Done deal:
http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2012/July/FulhamSignRiether.aspx (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2012/July/FulhamSignRiether.aspx)
http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2012/July/FulhamSignRiether.aspx (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2012/July/FulhamSignRiether.aspx)
Fulham Football Club is delighted to announce the season-long loan signing of Sascha Riether from FC Cologne with an option to acquire the player at the end of the loan period.
The 29-year-old right-back spent last season at FC Cologne having signed from VfL Wolfsburg in 2010.
Riether, born in Lahr, Germany, has made two international appearances. He made his debut for Germany against Denmark, coming on as a second-half substitute in a 2-2 draw in August 2010. A month later he made his first start in a Euro 2012 qualifier against Azerbaijan which Germany won 6-1.
He started his senior career at SC Freiburg in 2002 where he made 139 appearances in five seasons before making the move to Vfl Wolfsburg in 2007. He spent four seasons there and made 116 appearances.
VfL Wolfsburg were crowned Bundesliga Champions at the end of the 2008/09 campaign and qualified for the Champions League in 2009/10. Riether played in all six group fixtures for the German champions which included two matches against Manchester United.
That season, VfL Wolfsburg was eventually paired with Fulham in the quarter final of the Europa League, having finished their CL group in third place. Riether played in midfield in the home and away legs against his new club Fulham, who went on to win the tie 3-1 on aggregate en route to the 2010 Europa League Final.
Speaking at Fulham's Motspur Park training ground this morning, Sascha Riether said:
"I feel very pleased to have signed. It feels like I've had a long break from football and for me this is a new experience in a new country. Fulham is a good club, a big club with a big tradition and for me it's great to be here. I played here one time with Wolfsburg and I remember Craven Cottage being a great stadium with great fans, and I hope I can go on to have a great season here."
http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2012/July/FulhamSignRiether.aspx (http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2012/July/FulhamSignRiether.aspx)
Fulham Football Club is delighted to announce the season-long loan signing of Sascha Riether from FC Cologne with an option to acquire the player at the end of the loan period.
The 29-year-old right-back spent last season at FC Cologne having signed from VfL Wolfsburg in 2010.
Riether, born in Lahr, Germany, has made two international appearances. He made his debut for Germany against Denmark, coming on as a second-half substitute in a 2-2 draw in August 2010. A month later he made his first start in a Euro 2012 qualifier against Azerbaijan which Germany won 6-1.
He started his senior career at SC Freiburg in 2002 where he made 139 appearances in five seasons before making the move to Vfl Wolfsburg in 2007. He spent four seasons there and made 116 appearances.
VfL Wolfsburg were crowned Bundesliga Champions at the end of the 2008/09 campaign and qualified for the Champions League in 2009/10. Riether played in all six group fixtures for the German champions which included two matches against Manchester United.
That season, VfL Wolfsburg was eventually paired with Fulham in the quarter final of the Europa League, having finished their CL group in third place. Riether played in midfield in the home and away legs against his new club Fulham, who went on to win the tie 3-1 on aggregate en route to the 2010 Europa League Final.
Speaking at Fulham's Motspur Park training ground this morning, Sascha Riether said:
"I feel very pleased to have signed. It feels like I've had a long break from football and for me this is a new experience in a new country. Fulham is a good club, a big club with a big tradition and for me it's great to be here. I played here one time with Wolfsburg and I remember Craven Cottage being a great stadium with great fans, and I hope I can go on to have a great season here."
So now we have two that played against us in the Europa League.
Quote from: ElissonSnygg on July 06, 2012, 03:06:39 PM
So now we have two that played against us in the Europa League.
Make it 4 if you include Riise and Grygera + Petric and Riether
This is great news. We've been poor down the right and Kelly isn't the way forward. This lad comes with a good pedigree and at a very low risk too.
COYW
Looks like a right happy chap in his photo.
Quote from: ddeuce on July 06, 2012, 12:49:24 PM
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 12:46:57 PM
@dduece ....and you think kelly and this german guy have pace as well :005: :005: :005: :005: :005: :005: :005:
Did I say Kelly has pace?
and this German guy is quick, not fast fast, but quick.
Just so I know where we are at, is this the scale you are working on?
Slow slow-Simon Elliott
Slow - Dempsey
average - Duff
Fast - Boa Morte
Quick - New fella
Fast fast - Frei
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on July 06, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
Looks like a right happy chap in his photo.
He looks like a German Mark Whalberg
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on July 06, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
Looks like a right happy chap in his photo.
He looks like a German Mark Whalberg
He does and why the continued use of the Orange Third Kit when we announce new players? Symbolic of the Dutch revolution at Fulham?
Quote from: RidgeRider on July 06, 2012, 03:24:19 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on July 06, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
Looks like a right happy chap in his photo.
He looks like a German Mark Whalberg
He does and why the continued use of the Orange Third Kit when we announce new players? Symbolic of the Dutch revolution at Fulham?
Yeah but where is the Dutch revolution?
Quote from: RidgeRider on July 06, 2012, 03:24:19 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on July 06, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
Looks like a right happy chap in his photo.
He looks like a German Mark Whalberg
He does and why the continued use of the Orange Third Kit when we announce new players? Symbolic of the Dutch revolution at Fulham?
I think its just because the home kit is yet to be released.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 03:30:30 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on July 06, 2012, 03:24:19 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on July 06, 2012, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: ClarksOriginal on July 06, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
Looks like a right happy chap in his photo.
He looks like a German Mark Whalberg
He does and why the continued use of the Orange Third Kit when we announce new players? Symbolic of the Dutch revolution at Fulham?
I think its just because the home kit is yet to be released.
Beat me to it
Quote from: RidgeRider on July 06, 2012, 03:24:19 PM
He does and why the continued use of the Orange Third Kit when we announce new players? Symbolic of the Dutch revolution at Fulham?
Attempts by the club to get fans to buy the shirt.
As he's German will he be taking the penalites?
We knew little of Grygera when he signed and he turned out to be genuine class.
Like our first signing I am sure this is a good squad player. I will keep the bunting dry until the big one comes along. Little worried still that we are tourless and buying players on the cheap and the wrong end of their careers. But I am like that so forgive me.
I have to say I hadn't heard of him, which is rather strange given he's played for Germany and was apparently good for Wolfsburg in 2008/09. Hope he does well for us.
I'm with my Hamburg supporting girlfriend's family and they don't know him but i like the fact that his name is said as 'Ritaaaah'..
Good enough to be capped by Germany 18 months ago... none too shabby me thinks..
@lighthouse, we are going on tour..did jol not say in fultime we were heading to china???or am i dreaming things
Quote from: beijing ben on July 06, 2012, 04:16:20 PM
I'm with my Hamburg supporting girlfriend's family and they don't know him but i like the fact that his name is said as 'Ritaaaah'..
Ritaaaaah and Risaaaaah. What is Jol really doing here?
Best to wait to let him settle in and actually play for us before we judge him. I for one am glad to have a German right-back once more. Good luck to him (and us).
Quote from: BlaWhiArmyyyyyy on July 06, 2012, 12:37:46 PM
His team got relegated or struggled (dont follow BL). IF we went down Hangeland wouldnt be deemed rubbish by us so why do we judge this guy?
Every signing thats unknown we slate. Pog was slated on here and the Official Forum. He may be class for us, give him a chance first!
Very good point, look at our team that missed relegation on goal difference - Murphy, Hangeland, Hughes, Dempsey, Davies, Mcbride and yes even Konchesky and Bullard all quality players 6 of whom were key players in the EUFA final 2 years later
Quote from: CravenCottager on July 06, 2012, 04:28:41 PM
Best to wait to let him settle in and actually play for us before we judge him.
What a quaint, old-fashioned idea. It'll never catch on!
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 02:25:08 PM
well hes german so we can all agree he will be efficient and wont break down
Only when there old like my AEG washing machine :005:
can we please stop with all this 'we only buy average past it Bundesliga players' please, Mr Jol?
Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 06, 2012, 07:09:39 PM
can we please stop with all this 'we only buy average past it Bundesliga players' please, Mr Jol?
Dear me, Give the guy a bloody chance. Dont judge a book by its cover. Look what Pogrebnyak did! Christ.
still underwhelming
Quote from: themetaknight on July 06, 2012, 07:23:31 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 06, 2012, 07:09:39 PM
can we please stop with all this 'we only buy average past it Bundesliga players' please, Mr Jol?
Dear me, Give the guy a bloody chance. Dont judge a book by its cover. Look what Pogrebnyak did! Christ.
Watch your language, Nick. You'll get pulled up.
Quote from: themetaknight on July 06, 2012, 07:23:31 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 06, 2012, 07:09:39 PM
can we please stop with all this 'we only buy average past it Bundesliga players' please, Mr Jol?
Dear me, Give the guy a bloody chance. Dont judge a book by its cover. Look what Pogrebnyak did! Christ.
Agree with the sentiment, but no need for the language...
Won the budesliga with Wolfsburg - can't be that bad but is getting on I suppose. Is better than what we have in the position at the moment though in my opinion albeit unspectacular. Waiting to see us sign a player for the long term who we can all get excited about.
Quote from: Burt on July 06, 2012, 07:57:48 PM
Quote from: themetaknight on July 06, 2012, 07:23:31 PM
Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 06, 2012, 07:09:39 PM
can we please stop with all this 'we only buy average past it Bundesliga players' please, Mr Jol?
Dear me, Give the guy a bloody chance. Dont judge a book by its cover. Look what Pogrebnyak did! Christ.
Agree with the sentiment, but no need for the language...
I apologise for the language, didnt realise the mods like that stuff. But people have been constantly criticising him without seeing him play in a FFC shirt like Pogrebnyak and Grygera. Just wait and see what happens!
If posters are allowed to be excited about signings then they're also perfectly within their right to be underwhelmed by signings.
Why aren't we allowed to critique our new signings? If Heskey signed for us tomorrow I'd want to be able to discuss how bad a footballer he is without being criticised by other posters. Saying that, no one here has even said anything vaguely out of line about Riether IMO.
there is a critique,and there is slagging a player off without seeing him play on a regular basis-lets give the guy a chance huh?
Quote from: Rambling_Syd_Rumpo on July 06, 2012, 08:41:12 PM
there is a critique,and there is slagging a player off without seeing him play on a regular basis-lets give the guy a chance huh?
+ bloody 1.
Quote from: Rambling_Syd_Rumpo on July 06, 2012, 08:41:12 PM
there is a critique,and there is slagging a player off without seeing him play on a regular basis-lets give the guy a chance huh?
Who has slagged him off then?
a few example's- "he does not have a killer cross and does get caught out of positions" "but a waste when we could get a youngster in who is always improving instead of a 29 year old sitting on a wage knowing he is not first choice""looks like he is a gap player ""can we please stop with all this 'we only buy average past it Bundesliga players' please, Mr Jol?"
has anyone seen him play 10 matches in a row?does anybody know how Jol is going to play him?-give the guy a damm chance before we get negative.If any of you remember we hadn't really heard of or rated Hangeland before and that worked out ok :028: :028: :028: :028: 085.gif
Quote from: cottage cheese on July 06, 2012, 04:20:57 PM
@lighthouse, we are going on tour..did jol not say in fultime we were heading to china???or am i dreaming things
Sorry thought was cancelled.
Quote from: Rambling_Syd_Rumpo on July 06, 2012, 09:09:56 PM
a few example's- "he does not have a killer cross and does get caught out of positions" "but a waste when we could get a youngster in who is always improving instead of a 29 year old sitting on a wage knowing he is not first choice""looks like he is a gap player ""can we please stop with all this 'we only buy average past it Bundesliga players' please, Mr Jol?"
has anyone seen him play 10 matches in a row?does anybody know how Jol is going to play him?-give the guy a damm chance before we get negative.If any of you remember we hadn't really heard of or rated Hangeland before and that worked out ok :028: :028: :028: :028: 085.gif
Sorry but that's just absurd. You're dismissing opinions on him from people who have actually seen him play. So, what if someone saw him play and posted something positive about him? Surely then their piece of knowledge should be treated with the same suspicion as a negative comment as they probably haven't seen him play 10 matches in a row.
Perhaps we should just all post ' 098.gif ' and refrain from commenting until he plays. That'd be good.
Has he definitely signed?
who's seen him play? some bother's mother cat's dogs sister? and for how long? 1 game?10 games? a season?
has anyone seen him play in a Fulham shirt? has anyone seen him play with Fulham players around him???
what's absurd is he isn't being given a chance,he's been written off because a few "experts" say he's past his best
what's absurd is the negitivity being shown on this board generally-lets see the team play before passing judgement shall we?
Quote from: Berserker on July 06, 2012, 09:39:12 PM
Has he definitely signed?
Yes but he was bloody slow, only used his right hand and the signature was nearly illegible.
Get a grip, Jol.
He's under 30, starting RB for the team that won the Bundesliga two years ago, and the 2nd or 3rd RB of the German national team. He sounds like a pretty good catch to me. I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Berserker on July 06, 2012, 09:39:12 PM
Has he definitely signed?
Yes but he was bloody slow, only used his right hand and the signature was nearly illegible.
Get a grip, Jol.
ok....that was funny. :011:
Quote from: The Rock on July 06, 2012, 09:55:04 PM
He's under 30, starting RB for the team that won the Bundesliga two years ago, and the 2nd or 3rd RB of the German national team. He sounds like a pretty good catch to me. I don't see what all the fuss is about.
+1 to that! Some sense at last!
Plus his shirt in the photograph looks much more orange than in the official launch photos !!
Quote from: Rambling_Syd_Rumpo on July 06, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
who's seen him play? some bother's mother cat's dogs sister? and for how long? 1 game?10 games? a season?
has anyone seen him play in a Fulham shirt? has anyone seen him play with Fulham players around him???
what's absurd is he isn't being given a chance,he's been written off because a few "experts" say he's past his best
what's absurd is the negitivity being shown on this board generally-lets see the team play before passing judgement shall we?
So conversely we're not allowed to give any positive opinions on good players because they haven't played with Fulham players? Who's saying he isn't being given a chance? How is this not some valuable insight into what he's not so good at; "doesn't have a killer cross and gets caught out of position"? It's the same as if, say, Walcott signed for us and someone said he has no final ball, for example. It's not slagging/writing someone off, it's pointing out their weaknesses as a football player, in the same way and advantage of Riether has been identified in that he's a hard-worker.
He's also 29 and traditionally players do start to decline around that age. So pointing out how old he is isn't slagging him off, it's stating a fact. He could turn out to be unexpectedly fantastic, like with Grygera, but I really don't see why we can't guess as to the likelihood of that through how he has played previously.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Berserker on July 06, 2012, 09:39:12 PM
Has he definitely signed?
Yes but he was bloody slow, only used his right hand and the signature was nearly illegible.
Get a grip, Jol.
I heard he invalidated his vote. Turns out he couldn't put a decent cross in the box.
Quote from: The Moose on July 06, 2012, 10:33:28 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on July 06, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Berserker on July 06, 2012, 09:39:12 PM
Has he definitely signed?
Yes but he was bloody slow, only used his right hand and the signature was nearly illegible.
Get a grip, Jol.
I heard he invalidated his vote. Turns out he couldn't put a decent cross in the box.
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Quote from: SKSW6 on July 06, 2012, 10:14:30 PM
He's also 29 and traditionally players do start to decline around that age.
But recently Fulham have had an excellent record of signing, old, declining players, no?
Quote from: ImperialWhite on July 06, 2012, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on July 06, 2012, 10:14:30 PM
He's also 29 and traditionally players do start to decline around that age.
But recently Fulham have had an excellent record of signing, old, declining players, no?
especially on one year contracts! :/
Lets be honest for a club that has a stated intention of reducing the average age of the squad it does seem funny to have signed a 31 year old and a 29 year old - albeit they have let go a 32 year old and a 35 year old.
These 2 signings are hardly inspirational and given that they are nominally free indicates that we dont have a lot of cash to splash - unless it is all going to go on new forwards. I am not surprised that people are having a moan about these signings. This is what is wrong with the Premier League in my view - money/wages going on competent but second rate/level overseas players rather than trying to bring in and develop homegrown younger players.
I don't get the no risk side to the deal. It goes one of two ways, he is either terrible and we say thanks but no thanks and waste our time eg Sa or he has a good season and there's either a fight for his signature like Pog or cologne come back up and want him back.
Sorry but this says one thing to me we can't get our first choice targets. Right back is without a doubt a problem area for Jol. It seems strange that we can't afford/attract the likes of Simpson or Clyne. I hope I'm wrong and we are just allocating our kitty in two strikers, a long term smurf replacement and another winger
Tweeted with the former psyhical coach at Køln who worked with Ståle Solbakken last year @BVStenersen
He said the following of the signing:
"Must say it was a strange signing. One of the better players in Cologne, but has a lot of weaknesses too"
Quote from: Bilet on July 07, 2012, 09:04:31 AM
Tweeted with the former psyhical coach at Køln who worked with Ståle Solbakken last year @BVStenersen
He said the following of the signing:
"Must say it was a strange signing. One of the better players in Cologne, but has a lot of weaknesses too"
Thats an ambiguous statement.
Quote from: Bilet on July 07, 2012, 09:04:31 AM
Tweeted with the former psyhical coach at Køln who worked with Ståle Solbakken last year @BVStenersen
He said the following of the signing:
"Must say it was a strange signing. One of the better players in Cologne, but has a lot of weaknesses too"
One of the better players under Solbakken's Koln doesn't say a lot!
Well i'm going to stay positive about it as 'frees' mean more money to spend on a couple of really big signings :-)
It seems to me that Jol hasn't been given a budget which allows us to sign a young right back who is actually above the level that we have now in that position, or that another club beat us to the signing of someone younger and perhaps better who was in our price range. If this is true, I think Riether could be a great signing. I'm not saying this because I know much about the player other than what I've read recently, and I haven't even seen him play. I'm saying it because it's a loan with an option to buy of a player who was apparently one of two or three players in Cologne who were a step above the rest. Also, he was in the starting line up of the German champions two seasons ago. Apparently he might also be quicker than our other right backs.
In my book it's completely fine to criticize a signing in the same way that it's fine to praise one. I, like many others, was skeptical about signing Pogrebnyak, mostly because he had a bad record in Stuttgart and since we had missed out on Barrios. However, I was happy to see him surprise me. I hope to see Riether surprise the doubters and do very well this season.
Quote from: Berserker on July 07, 2012, 09:57:27 AM
Well i'm going to stay positive about it as 'frees' mean more money to spend on a couple of really big signings :-)
Same here. Now that Jol has found his right back and one striker without spending, he could start looking at what to do with the transfer budget.
Early days and we have two good squad players. There is a debate to be had about how much this means we are on a low budget. There is a debate to be had about how good or not so good the players coming in and players going out are. Being critical to other posters about making that debate seems odd on an MB.
We're going to spend 30million on a striker and he's going to score 35+ goals! Jol told me himself ;)
Quote from: Swedish Terrier on July 07, 2012, 10:06:34 AM
Quote from: Berserker on July 07, 2012, 09:57:27 AM
Well i'm going to stay positive about it as 'frees' mean more money to spend on a couple of really big signings :-)
Same here. Now that Jol has found his right back and one striker without spending, he could start looking at what to do with the transfer budget.
Agree with you both. I'd much rather we spend what money we have on a midfielder and striker. The right back position is not key. I'm sure one of Kelly or Baird will stay so that is good cover if it all goes wrong with Ritaaah.. We still have six weeks until the start of the season so no need to panic about the squad yet..
Riether... Well OK! I wanted someone more connected to EPL like Danny Simpson. But I hope he will do just fine. Now lets spend money on someone who will make a difference.
Quote from: WestCountryWhite on July 07, 2012, 07:30:11 AM
I don't get the no risk side to the deal. It goes one of two ways, he is either terrible and we say thanks but no thanks and waste our time eg Sa or he has a good season and there's either a fight for his signature like Pog or cologne come back up and want him back.
Sorry but this says one thing to me we can't get our first choice targets. Right back is without a doubt a problem area for Jol. It seems strange that we can't afford/attract the likes of Simpson or Clyne. I hope I'm wrong and we are just allocating our kitty in two strikers, a long term smurf replacement and another winger
We have first option on him I think so if he plays well we have a good chance of signing him.
Quote from: cmg on July 06, 2012, 05:53:31 PM
Quote from: CravenCottager on July 06, 2012, 04:28:41 PM
Best to wait to let him settle in and actually play for us before we judge him.
What a quaint, old-fashioned idea. It'll never catch on!
They told me Betamax would never catch on. Who's laughing now?!
I'm going to start calling him "Paperback".
?
Paperback Writer (Reither) by the Beatles.
A hit song from 50 years ago.
Well, it's not Reither, it's Riether (Rita)
Quote from: Swedish Terrier on July 07, 2012, 09:58:56 AM
It seems to me that Jol hasn't been given a budget which allows us to sign a young right back who is actually above the level that we have now in that position, or that another club beat us to the signing of someone younger and perhaps better who was in our price range. If this is true, I think Riether could be a great signing. I'm not saying this because I know much about the player other than what I've read recently, and I haven't even seen him play. I'm saying it because it's a loan with an option to buy of a player who was apparently one of two or three players in Cologne who were a step above the rest. Also, he was in the starting line up of the German champions two seasons ago. Apparently he might also be quicker than our other right backs.
In my book it's completely fine to criticize a signing in the same way that it's fine to praise one. I, like many others, was skeptical about signing Pogrebnyak, mostly because he had a bad record in Stuttgart and since we had missed out on Barrios. However, I was happy to see him surprise me. I hope to see Riether surprise the doubters and do very well this season.
I think Jol probably has some bigger value signings in the pipe line and the alternative was to either spread the values around the positions, or sign say an expensive midfielder/striker rather than spreading the costs around various positions. I'm more than happy working to that system, getting frees where we can to allow larger amounts to be spent in attacking positions, where we lack pretty badly.
Quote from: Mr Fulham on July 08, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Well, it's not Reither, it's Riether (Rita)
The man will need to understand the history of the club. Someone needs to start educating Riether.
Quote from: CravenCottager on July 07, 2012, 04:06:17 PM
Quote from: cmg on July 06, 2012, 05:53:31 PM
Quote from: CravenCottager on July 06, 2012, 04:28:41 PM
Best to wait to let him settle in and actually play for us before we judge him.
What a quaint, old-fashioned idea. It'll never catch on!
They told me Betamax would never catch on. Who's laughing now?!
who did we sign Betamax from and possition does he play?
Here's a guy that really proved the doubters wrong. Hand in mouth moment for Cottage Cheese:
"Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much".
Quote from: The Moose on January 05, 2013, 11:31:34 PM
Here's a guy that really proved the doubters wrong. Hand in mouth moment for Cottage Cheese:
"Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much".
Not the first time either.
Quote from: The Moose on January 05, 2013, 11:31:34 PM
Here's a guy that really proved the doubters wrong. Hand in mouth moment for Cottage Cheese:
"Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much".
The best bit for me is "we've got Kelly"!!
I'm sorry, but I cannot see how he gets such and easy ride and yet others are pilloried at every occasion.
thought it was pointless when we got him. but what an outstanding player.
Let's hope we find another Riether this summer, because the one we have will be long gone before the start of next season.
This thread got me excited, thought we had gone out and got him for real, oh well.
Quote from: ddeuce on January 05, 2013, 11:42:16 PM
Quote from: The Moose on January 05, 2013, 11:31:34 PM
Here's a guy that really proved the doubters wrong. Hand in mouth moment for Cottage Cheese:
"Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much".
Not the first time either.
its not really, he really was poor at wolfsburg (again cousins who support them) thats why he got loaned to koln (wolfsburg played him as they didnt have anyone else) so yes i can put my hand up but when we first signed him from the feedback he never sounded as a complete as he does playing for us. I have no idea why he didnt perform towards to the end of his career in Germany but the same i suppose can be said for brede..hes been truly woeful (for the majority) and I bet if he signed for a new club his performances would change? A new club can do great things for player
Quote from: LRCN on January 05, 2013, 11:53:52 PM
thought it was pointless when we got him. but what an outstanding player.
Overall been my player of the season so far, obviously Berba close
I think he's even surprised by himself. He really looked past it during his last season with Köln, hence my downbeat reaction. I really was underwhelmed but he proved me wrong. I love it.
and by the way he has been my fav player of the season. He does not seem the player that was described to me at the start before my post is picked apart
Quote from: cottage cheese on January 05, 2013, 11:58:31 PM
Quote from: ddeuce on January 05, 2013, 11:42:16 PM
Quote from: The Moose on January 05, 2013, 11:31:34 PM
Here's a guy that really proved the doubters wrong. Hand in mouth moment for Cottage Cheese:
"Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much".
Not the first time either.
its not really, he really was poor at wolfsburg (again cousins who support them) thats why he got loaned to koln (wolfsburg played him as they didnt have anyone else) so yes i can put my hand up but when we first signed him from the feedback he never sounded as a complete as he does playing for us. I have no idea why he didnt perform towards to the end of his career in Germany but the same i suppose can be said for brede..hes been truly woeful (for the majority) and I bet if he signed for a new club his performances would change? A new club can do great things for player
Apologies to single you out. I just found it amusing. However good or bad he was at Wolfsburg he's unlikely to have been dramatically slower than he is here. Unless he was carrying quite a bit more weight than he is currently.
Quote from: HatterDon on January 05, 2013, 11:56:12 PM
Let's hope we find another Riether this summer, because the one we have will be long gone before the start of next season.
Havent we got a clause on him?
Quote from: ddeuce on January 06, 2013, 12:06:42 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on January 05, 2013, 11:56:12 PM
Let's hope we find another Riether this summer, because the one we have will be long gone before the start of next season.
Havent we got a clause on him?
I'm not sure who has the option. If Koln has it, then he'll be sold to the highest bidder. His stock must have skyrocketed since he came here.
Quote from: The Moose on January 06, 2013, 12:03:18 AM
Quote from: cottage cheese on January 05, 2013, 11:58:31 PM
Quote from: ddeuce on January 05, 2013, 11:42:16 PM
Quote from: The Moose on January 05, 2013, 11:31:34 PM
Here's a guy that really proved the doubters wrong. Hand in mouth moment for Cottage Cheese:
"Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much".
Not the first time either.
its not really, he really was poor at wolfsburg (again cousins who support them) thats why he got loaned to koln (wolfsburg played him as they didnt have anyone else) so yes i can put my hand up but when we first signed him from the feedback he never sounded as a complete as he does playing for us. I have no idea why he didnt perform towards to the end of his career in Germany but the same i suppose can be said for brede..hes been truly woeful (for the majority) and I bet if he signed for a new club his performances would change? A new club can do great things for player
Apologies to single you out. I just found it amusing. However good or bad he was at Wolfsburg he's unlikely to have been dramatically slower than he is here. Unless he was carrying quite a bit more weight than he is currently.
again i was going on by what fans of wolfsburg had told me, i have been happy with him and wish we sign him fully but my comments where made before he kicked a ball after two poor years in Germany, you can understand my logic seeing as we were in need of new blood in defence as the average age was over 30! ive been proved wrong and i can admit it!!
I love hindsight
Quote from: HatterDon on January 06, 2013, 12:11:12 AM
Quote from: ddeuce on January 06, 2013, 12:06:42 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on January 05, 2013, 11:56:12 PM
Let's hope we find another Riether this summer, because the one we have will be long gone before the start of next season.
Havent we got a clause on him?
I'm not sure who has the option. If Koln has it, then he'll be sold to the highest bidder. His stock must have skyrocketed since he came here.
He's a decent little player but I don't think he's gonna cause any bidding wars come the summer. I reckon he will join us. People say the same about Kaca, like he's been quite good but not good enough to attract interest from bigger clubs. Sometimes players and clubs are the right fit.
Been our most consistent player this season - we need to sign him up permanently
I dislike seeing these old posts. Only because I seem to be saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over........
Quote from: cottage cheese on January 06, 2013, 12:13:28 AM
Quote from: The Moose on January 06, 2013, 12:03:18 AM
Quote from: cottage cheese on January 05, 2013, 11:58:31 PM
Quote from: ddeuce on January 05, 2013, 11:42:16 PM
Quote from: The Moose on January 05, 2013, 11:31:34 PM
Here's a guy that really proved the doubters wrong. Hand in mouth moment for Cottage Cheese:
"Hes not quick nor is he known for his ability to get forward that much".
Not the first time either.
its not really, he really was poor at wolfsburg (again cousins who support them) thats why he got loaned to koln (wolfsburg played him as they didnt have anyone else) so yes i can put my hand up but when we first signed him from the feedback he never sounded as a complete as he does playing for us. I have no idea why he didnt perform towards to the end of his career in Germany but the same i suppose can be said for brede..hes been truly woeful (for the majority) and I bet if he signed for a new club his performances would change? A new club can do great things for player
Apologies to single you out. I just found it amusing. However good or bad he was at Wolfsburg he's unlikely to have been dramatically slower than he is here. Unless he was carrying quite a bit more weight than he is currently.
again i was going on by what fans of wolfsburg had told me, i have been happy with him and wish we sign him fully but my comments where made before he kicked a ball after two poor years in Germany, you can understand my logic seeing as we were in need of new blood in defence as the average age was over 30! ive been proved wrong and i can admit it!!
Fair play mate.
