Either they invest in a whole new squad of players who can play Jol's system and don't need motivating OR we bin Jol and get someone else in who can motivate a squad of players and get them playing some half decent football.
I have stood by Jol through every 'Jol Out' campaign since he came to our club. Unfortunately I can no longer do so. I'm sorry :(
Either way, money has to be spent. If it isn't then nothing will change, unless the kids are absolutely fantastic.
I still can't believe people defend Jol after picking that team and bringing in those subs. Makes no sense to me. But then watching that football makes no sense.
Not sure I have been so depressed watching a Fulham side before they even take the field.
If we bought anybody I doubt Jol would know what to do with them.
Jol's starting 11 today omitted Rodellega who performed very very well when he came on last week. The starting 11 also featured Ruiz and Berba up top which has proven over recent times to be an ineffective combo. The team also stuck with Duff who has been out of form recently.
Jol's subs today involved putting a winger at left back (Urby) instead of a left back (Riise). He then took off our young pacey winger who was having a fairly respectable game and put Petric (a slow ineffective forward) on moving Ruiz out of position in the right and slow ineffective Duff onto the left. He then proceeded to take off a central mid when we were losing, finally put a left back on, and moved Urby out of position into the middle.
Does Jol smoke weed during games?
Let's do a QPR and sign a new manager and a whole load of new players to add to our relatively unfamiliar squad already.
Sounds foolproof.
There is a positive aspect to our end of season meltdown. Had we scrambled a win or two in the last few weeks and finished mid table, it might have given the board a false sense of security and given them belief that only a little tinkering in a couple of positions was needed. The way things are, no one can deny that a major overhaul of the squad is required. Whether Fayed has the will to unleash the necessary cash is another matter.
Quote from: Putney on May 12, 2013, 05:28:16 PM
Let's do a QPR and sign a new manager and a whole load of new players to add to our relatively unfamiliar squad already.
Sounds foolproof
As opposed to doing nothing & certain relegation next season.
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:15:41 PM
Jol's starting 11 today omitted Rodellega who performed very very well when he came on last week. The starting 11 also featured Ruiz and Berba up top which has proven over recent times to be an ineffective combo. The team also stuck with Duff who has been out of form recently.
Jol's subs today involved putting a winger at left back (Urby) instead of a left back (Riise). He then took off our young pacey winger who was having a fairly respectable game and put Petric (a slow ineffective forward) on moving Ruiz out of position in the right and slow ineffective Duff onto the left. He then proceeded to take off a central mid when we were losing, finally put a left back on, and moved Urby out of position into the middle.
Does Jol smoke weed during games?
He took off our young pacey winger if you had taken time to notice because he was suffering with a calf problem, several times he was trying to stretch it out and rubbing but did not good.
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:15:41 PM
Jol's starting 11 today omitted Rodellega who performed very very well when he came on last week. The starting 11 also featured Ruiz and Berba up top which has proven over recent times to be an ineffective combo. The team also stuck with Duff who has been out of form recently.
Jol's subs today involved putting a winger at left back (Urby) instead of a left back (Riise). He then took off our young pacey winger who was having a fairly respectable game and put Petric (a slow ineffective forward) on moving Ruiz out of position in the right and slow ineffective Duff onto the left. He then proceeded to take off a central mid when we were losing, finally put a left back on, and moved Urby out of position into the middle.
Does Jol smoke weed during games?
I think he was proved that he made the right decision with the first sub by the performance from Emmanuelson during the game and Karagounis had a shocking game and was clearly knackered and needed to be subbed. We were chasing the game at the time and moving Emmanuelson out of left back was a much more attacking decision than bringing Frimpong on which was the other option.
The only sub I question is the one who makes pretty much every week in bringing on Petric for a winger. It just never works!
Quote from: Classic94 on May 12, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: Putney on May 12, 2013, 05:28:16 PM
Let's do a QPR and sign a new manager and a whole load of new players to add to our relatively unfamiliar squad already.
Sounds foolproof
As opposed to doing nothing & certain relegation next season.
We need 3 or 4 first team players not a whole new team. Hughes, Senderos, Karagounis and Riise are not good enough any more and are regularly starting in this side because we simply don't have any better options.
Quote from: alfie on May 12, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:15:41 PM
Jol's starting 11 today omitted Rodellega who performed very very well when he came on last week. The starting 11 also featured Ruiz and Berba up top which has proven over recent times to be an ineffective combo. The team also stuck with Duff who has been out of form recently.
Jol's subs today involved putting a winger at left back (Urby) instead of a left back (Riise). He then took off our young pacey winger who was having a fairly respectable game and put Petric (a slow ineffective forward) on moving Ruiz out of position in the right and slow ineffective Duff onto the left. He then proceeded to take off a central mid when we were losing, finally put a left back on, and moved Urby out of position into the middle.
Does Jol smoke weed during games?
He took off our young pacey winger if you had taken time to notice because he was suffering with a calf problem, several times he was trying to stretch it out and rubbing but did not good.
That wasn't obvious from my stream. So how about move Urby to left wing (His natural position) and bring on Riise then?
Quote from: Classic94 on May 12, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: Putney on May 12, 2013, 05:28:16 PM
Let's do a QPR and sign a new manager and a whole load of new players to add to our relatively unfamiliar squad already.
Sounds foolproof
As opposed to doing nothing & certain relegation next season.
Why does it have to be all or nothing?
We'll sign players.
Quote from: Enter the Frei on May 12, 2013, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:15:41 PM
Jol's starting 11 today omitted Rodellega who performed very very well when he came on last week. The starting 11 also featured Ruiz and Berba up top which has proven over recent times to be an ineffective combo. The team also stuck with Duff who has been out of form recently.
Jol's subs today involved putting a winger at left back (Urby) instead of a left back (Riise). He then took off our young pacey winger who was having a fairly respectable game and put Petric (a slow ineffective forward) on moving Ruiz out of position in the right and slow ineffective Duff onto the left. He then proceeded to take off a central mid when we were losing, finally put a left back on, and moved Urby out of position into the middle.
Does Jol smoke weed during games?
I think he was proved that he made the right decision with the first sub by the performance from Emmanuelson during the game and Karagounis had a shocking game and was clearly knackered and needed to be subbed. We were chasing the game at the time and moving Emmanuelson out of left back was a much more attacking decision than bringing Frimpong on which was the other option.
The only sub I question is the one who makes pretty much every week in bringing on Petric for a winger. It just never works!
Urby was toss. Karagounis had a shocker but wasn't subbed off until too late in the game.
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: alfie on May 12, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:15:41 PM
Jol's starting 11 today omitted Rodellega who performed very very well when he came on last week. The starting 11 also featured Ruiz and Berba up top which has proven over recent times to be an ineffective combo. The team also stuck with Duff who has been out of form recently.
Jol's subs today involved putting a winger at left back (Urby) instead of a left back (Riise). He then took off our young pacey winger who was having a fairly respectable game and put Petric (a slow ineffective forward) on moving Ruiz out of position in the right and slow ineffective Duff onto the left. He then proceeded to take off a central mid when we were losing, finally put a left back on, and moved Urby out of position into the middle.
Does Jol smoke weed during games?
He took off our young pacey winger if you had taken time to notice because he was suffering with a calf problem, several times he was trying to stretch it out and rubbing but did not good.
That wasn't obvious from my stream. So how about move Urby to left wing (His natural position) and bring on Riise then?
Emanuelson hasn't been a left winger since he was at Ajax. It definitely isn't his natural position.
Quote from: EJL on May 12, 2013, 05:48:27 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: alfie on May 12, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:15:41 PM
Jol's starting 11 today omitted Rodellega who performed very very well when he came on last week. The starting 11 also featured Ruiz and Berba up top which has proven over recent times to be an ineffective combo. The team also stuck with Duff who has been out of form recently.
Jol's subs today involved putting a winger at left back (Urby) instead of a left back (Riise). He then took off our young pacey winger who was having a fairly respectable game and put Petric (a slow ineffective forward) on moving Ruiz out of position in the right and slow ineffective Duff onto the left. He then proceeded to take off a central mid when we were losing, finally put a left back on, and moved Urby out of position into the middle.
Does Jol smoke weed during games?
He took off our young pacey winger if you had taken time to notice because he was suffering with a calf problem, several times he was trying to stretch it out and rubbing but did not good.
That wasn't obvious from my stream. So how about move Urby to left wing (His natural position) and bring on Riise then?
Emanuelson hasn't been a left winger since he was at Ajax. It definitely isn't his natural position.
Sorry I meant his more effective position whilst he's been with us.
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
Quote from: Enter the Frei on May 12, 2013, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:15:41 PM
Jol's starting 11 today omitted Rodellega who performed very very well when he came on last week. The starting 11 also featured Ruiz and Berba up top which has proven over recent times to be an ineffective combo. The team also stuck with Duff who has been out of form recently.
Jol's subs today involved putting a winger at left back (Urby) instead of a left back (Riise). He then took off our young pacey winger who was having a fairly respectable game and put Petric (a slow ineffective forward) on moving Ruiz out of position in the right and slow ineffective Duff onto the left. He then proceeded to take off a central mid when we were losing, finally put a left back on, and moved Urby out of position into the middle.
Does Jol smoke weed during games?
I think he was proved that he made the right decision with the first sub by the performance from Emmanuelson during the game and Karagounis had a shocking game and was clearly knackered and needed to be subbed. We were chasing the game at the time and moving Emmanuelson out of left back was a much more attacking decision than bringing Frimpong on which was the other option.
The only sub I question is the one who makes pretty much every week in bringing on Petric for a winger. It just never works!
Urby was toss. Karagounis had a shocker but wasn't subbed off until too late in the game.
Urby was not toss.
each to their own. Anyway, not the point of my topic. So do we think keep Jol. and invest or remove Jol?
Quote from: Putney on May 12, 2013, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: Classic94 on May 12, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: Putney on May 12, 2013, 05:28:16 PM
Let's do a QPR and sign a new manager and a whole load of new players to add to our relatively unfamiliar squad already.
Sounds foolproof
As opposed to doing nothing & certain relegation next season.
Why does it have to be all or nothing?
We'll sign players.
But we have so many problems I don't know where to start. We have botched together a squad from free transfers, short term deals & loans. The rest are either too old or not good enough. Significant changes are inevitable. Don't even get me started on the management who seem incapable of organising or motivating the team...
Quote from: alexbishop on May 12, 2013, 05:58:48 PM
each to their own. Anyway, not the point of my topic. So do we think keep Jol. and invest or remove Jol?
Get rid. Today was a debacle too many.
Get rid of Jol, I have never left the cottage before seeing the team off for the last game of the season but I and hundreds of others did, the man is a fool and no way am I going to get a season ticket to watch any more of that dross, watch Liverpool Jol, that is how you break fast and score :dft007: :dft007: :dft007: :dft007: :dft007:
The same old problems with pace in attack I'm afraid. Berbatov Needs a number 9 to play off and runners from midfield to capitalise on his flicks and tricks. Karagounis and Enoh are not this. Neither is Ruiz as he's rather pass the ball than get on the end of things. Unless he can adapt his game to playing left wing I really don't see how he and Berbs fit into the same team. With Dejagah out the only pacey player we have is Kaka - its obvious that this is not enough. Even if we do play with pacey players on the wings, their job seems to be to get crosses in - a waste as Berba isn't a poacher type striker and hardly the best at getting in front of defenders in the box. We have good players but the balance of the team is all wrong and I have no idea how Jol's going to resolve it.
Quote from: epsomraver on May 12, 2013, 06:22:43 PM
Get rid of Jol, I have never left the cottage before seeing the team off for the last game of the season but I and hundreds of others did, the man is a fool and no way am I going to get a season ticket to watch any more of that dross, watch Liverpool Jol, that is how you break fast and score :dft007: :dft007: :dft007: :dft007: :dft007:
Liverpool can do it because they have better players, how can Jol get these type of players if the board will not release any money, he was told to go and get loan players, all you are going to get are players that cannot get in their own teams, too young or too old.
Sturridge today was superb, we just do not have that type of player available, mind you i think he should have brought on Rodders and not Petric, and of course some dodgy ref decisions against us today, Kaka went off with a calf strain, he was the one with the pace.
I do not agree with a lot of things you say but good on you for saying your piece, same again next week.
1 point in 7 is not good enough. We look set to finish in 16th now and worst case scenario, possibly even 17th.
If it wasn't for the lucky win at Spurs we would be relegated.
Jol must go. He is out of his depth and out of ideas.
This is nothing to do with money or the board, he's simply not up to the job.
Wasn't Karagounis the best thing ever about two weeks ago?
Jol doesn't use what he has. Give him money to spend he would use it on a forward and play him at left back.
Jimpav is right, Jol is clearly just not up to the job. He came in to a good team and thought it would be a semi retirement jolly.
JOL please get as far away from Craven Cottage as you can.
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 12, 2013, 08:58:05 PM
Jol doesn't use what he has. Give him money to spend he would use it on a forward and play him at left back.
This honestly just made my evening 064.gif
Worringly, its probably true, the bloke is utterly clueless in terms of how to use the players he signs!
Quote from: epsomraver on May 12, 2013, 06:22:43 PM
Get rid of Jol, I have never left the cottage before seeing the team off for the last game of the season but I and hundreds of others did, the man is a fool and no way am I going to get a season ticket to watch any more of that dross, watch Liverpool Jol, that is how you break fast and score :dft007: :dft007: :dft007: :dft007: :dft007:
couldn't agree more - poor management is to blame and my family and i were too disappointed to stay on at the end. Jol should fall on his sword 090.gif
Jol is clearly not the answer, sounds like he is looking for an exit door.
I'm sorry but upon hearing we lost 9 of our 18 home games this season my mind was almost made up. That is simply not good enough.
If Jol is here next season it had better mean he gets a heck of a lot of money.
Quote from: Plodder on May 12, 2013, 05:33:48 PM
There is a positive aspect to our end of season meltdown. Had we scrambled a win or two in the last few weeks and finished mid table, it might have given the board a false sense of security and given them belief that only a little tinkering in a couple of positions was needed. The way things are, no one can deny that a major overhaul of the squad is required. Whether Fayed has the will to unleash the necessary cash is another matter.
It's a blessing isn't it? Very glad we are all having this convo now, and not in Oct 10 games on and on 5 points.
