Forgive me if this has been discussed quite a bit. I've been away for the better part of a week, but ...
... how on God's green earth could two Fulham players have been considered to have performed better than Sascha Riether? And how in the world could Karagounis finish 2nd in the voting?
Fulham supporters look like idiots after those results were counted. I cry real tears.
Simple HatterDon, given the fact that it was open voting the whole of Bulgaria voted for Berbatov. I think the players player of the season reflects the true feelings around the Cottage.
He should go into politics after he retires with that kind of voting. 086.gif
Sums up the shambles of a season really.
Reither has been a revelation and deserved the top spot in my opinion. Karagounis, whilst showing passion and devotion to the club, is not our best CM (Enoh for me).
Which brings me onto Berba. For all his amazing ability, I feel like we have our own England-style conundrum similar to the great Gerrard-Lampard debate by trying to play both Ruiz and Berba. On paper it looks awesome, but the reality is a team that does not provide the sum of all its parts.
Whilst it's been great getting to see Berba in the white of Fulham, I wonder whether the club would be better served by cashing in on Berba and improving the balance of the team? It's clear to most people that we have struggled to find a rhythm this season.
Quote from: Herbie on May 17, 2013, 06:57:42 AM
Sums up the shambles of a season really.
Reither has been a revelation and deserved the top spot in my opinion. Karagounis, whilst showing passion and devotion to the club, is not our best CM (Enoh for me).
Which brings me onto Berba. For all his amazing ability, I feel like we have our own England-style conundrum similar to the great Gerrard-Lampard debate by trying to play both Ruiz and Berba. On paper it looks awesome, but the reality is a team that does not provide the sum of all its parts.
Whilst it's been great getting to see Berba in the white of Fulham, I wonder whether the club would be better served by cashing in on Berba and improving the balance of the team? It's clear to most people that we have struggled to find a rhythm this season.
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Fantastic,
so you would sell your best player (not because of voting, he IS your best player), and buy someone avarage so your middfield doesn't look that bad. People here amaze me...
I didn't say buy someone average and didn't mention the midfield, other than a separate point about Enoh being better than Kara. All I suggested was perhaps cashing in on Berba to improve the balance of the team. I think the team shape has lost it's way and it's not clear what style we are trying to play.
Football is a team game, not an individual sport - just ask QPR fans. If you want proof of the theory that sometimes it is better to sell players, even if they are star players, for the benefit of the team just look at the way Fergie managed Man Utd
Quote from: Herbie on May 17, 2013, 08:01:31 AM
I didn't say buy someone average and didn't mention the midfield, other than a separate point about Enoh being better than Kara. All I suggested was perhaps cashing in on Berba to improve the balance of the team. I think the team shape has lost it's way and it's not clear what style we are trying to play.
Football is a team game, not an individual sport - just ask QPR fans. If you want proof of the theory that sometimes it is better to sell players, even if they are star players, for the benefit of the team just look at the way Fergie managed Man Utd
I am not sure how selling Berba will improve the balance of the team. Why not sell Ruiz in this case? If the case is that the two cannot play together, I would much rather see Berba stay. Better player, and proven in the Premiership. The unfortunate bit is that Ruiz would definitely not fetch 10 million at this point in time.
I did notice you could vote more than once using a different computer maybe kids at school voting 30 times using different computer. I voted for Riether.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2013/may/17/berbatovs-accolade (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2013/may/17/berbatovs-accolade)
How the hell did that happen?
Sorry, just noticed that this is old news.
Still, how did Sascha Reither not win it? That's what you get when you put the vote in front of the supporters.
Probably voted for by loads of Bulgarians like when Gera beat Zamora a few years ago with loads of Hungarians voting.Or maybe 14 goals was enough to win it fair and square?
THIS is why voting should only be open to Season Ticket Holders
2000 votes ahead of Karagounis. I dread to think how many ahead of Riether.
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on May 17, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
THIS is why voting should only be open to Season Ticket Holders
So what about fans who go to say 505 of home games but cannot afford to buy a season ticket? are they not worthy of a vote?
I have 2 season tickets one for me and my son I have only been to 5 home games this season, because I work abroad, when I am not their my father or brother take my ten year old, so is my vote more worthy than that of someone who has been to half the games?
In the Fulham Football Club group on facebook yesterday evening voting was at:
Riether 102
Berbatov 6
Karagounis 8
tells you all. In the same time the official voting was posted as news on a few bulgarian websites and you know what happens when you're just 2 clicks away.
I too believe Riether deserved it more for being an inspiration in each game he played (well maybe all but one).
Quote from: westcliff white on May 17, 2013, 12:40:40 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on May 17, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
THIS is why voting should only be open to Season Ticket Holders
So what about fans who go to say 505 of home games but cannot afford to buy a season ticket? are they not worthy of a vote?
I have 2 season tickets one for me and my son I have only been to 5 home games this season, because I work abroad, when I am not their my father or brother take my ten year old, so is my vote more worthy than that of someone who has been to half the games?
Well the point is that yes in match reports you will always see Berbatov on the score sheet and being highlighted on MOTD etc BUT im just saying those who attend games will see the effort put in by Reither and how amazing he actually has been. Its the fact its never been highlighted in the papers/reports that goes and shows that the majority of people who voted would not have attended many games and therefore by logic not seen Reither that often. That's the point without slandering or suggesting your less worthy of a vote.
Cottage i agree with what your saying but what I am saying is if its just season ticket holders then my vote is not as worth as someone who has attended 10 game sbut bought their ticket ahea dof the game rather than a season ticket.
Let's do an official FOF player of the year vote and when that is done we could buy a "medal" with ingraving "FOF 2013 player of the year" and sent it to him. :yay:
Not sure about how the voting is done...
I would have voted Riether myself, great first season - Mr Consistency, Mr 110% Effort, etc. and if we had another him at left back then we would have our defence sorted out.
Not that I am objecting too strongly about Berba getting it. He is a quality player, and without his goals who knows what would have happened this season.
For me it's more than clear;
Berbatov is voted Supporters Player of the year (as said it's just two clicks away and for many overall, so called fans the choice is easy).
On the other hand Riether is voted by the Players as Player of the year, so both got the recognition they deserve
Quote from: westcliff white on May 17, 2013, 01:06:53 PM
Cottage i agree with what your saying but what I am saying is if its just season ticket holders then my vote is not as worth as someone who has attended 10 game sbut bought their ticket ahea dof the game rather than a season ticket.
Ye fair enough I think whoever said just for season ticket holders is wrong! Its a difficult one in my opinion as I along with many voted for Reither and guess quite disappointed that he hasn't been shown the reward he deserves!
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on May 17, 2013, 01:11:18 PM
Let's do an official FOF player of the year vote and when that is done we could buy a "medal" with ingraving "FOF 2013 player of the year" and sent it to him. :yay:
A phenomenal idea! MODS: GET ON IT!
Quote from: sonvejita on May 17, 2013, 01:18:22 PM
For me it's more than clear;
Berbatov is voted Supporters Player of the year (as said it's just two clicks away and for many overall, so called fans the choice is easy).
On the other hand Riether is voted by the Players as Player of the year, so both got the recognition they deserve
I don't recall Berbatov even being 'Player of the Match', so I don't see why he should receive any recognition for anything other being lazy.
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 17, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: sonvejita on May 17, 2013, 01:18:22 PM
For me it's more than clear;
Berbatov is voted Supporters Player of the year (as said it's just two clicks away and for many overall, so called fans the choice is easy).
On the other hand Riether is voted by the Players as Player of the year, so both got the recognition they deserve
I don't recall Berbatov even being 'Player of the Match', so I don't see why he should receive any recognition for anything other being lazy.
Player of the Match, just after new year - West Bromwich (if I'm not mistaken)
Overseas voters or a stitch up by Fulham...the majority of Supporters I spoke to where I sit said Sascha Riether by a long way...
Well, what's wrong with Berba winning it? Forgive me, but how many goals and points did Reither bring? Or how many goals or penalties did he save? Or assists? He was good, yes. But come on.
If Reither wasn't on the team, Fulham were going to finish where they are. But without Berba or Schwarzer for example, probably struggling for relegation at this time
If you are going to blame "overseas voters", then look east, not west. We like Karagounis on this side of the pond, but not so much as to earn second place in the voting.
"What nourishes me, destroys me." Count, Berbatov, for all his undeniable skill and flair, is a mixed blessing on this team. Yes, he did score the most goals. And it's hard to disprove a negative--that is, how Fulham would have done without him. Would the speed of play increase in the attacking half? Would there be better comeraderie/esprit de corps? Would we have been applying more defensive pressure once possession was lost? My biggest gripe about the guy is that it doesn't seem as if he is in the best physical shape. He's cruising on his tremendous skills but the game isn't played in a deck chair. You have to run, run, run, quickly recuperate, run some more.
Any process that comes up with a result with which I disagree, must be a stitch-up.
Obvious, innit?
I dont think Berbatov winning was what everyone is annoyed about. How did Karagounis come second?! Everyone I know voted for Reither, but I could understand Berbatov or even Schwarzer being close
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 17, 2013, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: ..Kya.ffc.. on May 17, 2013, 01:11:18 PM
Let's do an official FOF player of the year vote and when that is done we could buy a "medal" with ingraving "FOF 2013 player of the year" and sent it to him. :yay:
A phenomenal idea! MODS: GET ON IT!
I think there was a poll a few weeks back...as I remember making a comment about also running a Scapegoat of the Year award.
I'll do a trawl.
to answer COunt Berbatov... its obvious what people are saying... if he was voted player of the year by the Fulham fans then allright but when 5000 bulgarians who read daily the sportal.bg website clicked twice and he won.
To help you figure it out there are some fan groups on facebook and the stats from their voting are as i posted above: Riether 102 votes, Berbatov 6 votes.
You do the math :P
ffcbulgaria, I am sure Fulham fans are by far many and more than the Greek and Bulgarian fans who spent sleepless nights voting for their countrymen
Quote from: Count Berbatov on May 18, 2013, 07:56:19 AM
ffcbulgaria, I am sure Fulham fans are by far many and more than the Greek and Bulgarian fans who spent sleepless nights voting for their countrymen
How do you explain FoF, TIFF and CC all having threads on their surprise that Riether didn't win, and then page after page of comment saying everyone voted for him? Similar sort of thing at the ground when people asked the people around them (and I'll add my name to that as well as everyone I talked to was the same).
Wasn't a bit of a question mark over the Seat car competition the other year?
A light hearted popularity poll is conducted with a prize of no intrinsic value.
It is won by our highest profile player who is also by some way our leading goalscorer.
Some people think it should have gone to someone else (presumably the person they voted for.)
Is this not something we should be capable of coming to terms with and be getting on with other, possibly more important, things in our lives?
Or do I get a re-run of the last General Election on account of the fact that I voted Labour and nobody in my pub likes David Cameron?
and, once again, I don't think that any of us is shocked and stunned that Berba won the award. What is most confusing is that Karagounis finished above Riether, who seemed the biggest lock in years.
