Be intersting to see how he does. Will Allardyce get more out of him than Jol.
Was hoping he'd go back abroad. Knowing our luck he'll bag a hat trick and make me eat my words.
Sam will get way more out of him than Jol did. He is a much better player than he was able to prove with us. Our structure was totally at odds with the way he plays.
If its anything like the time he spent at FFC he will see more of the physios room than he does the pitch
Quote from: the nutflush on September 10, 2013, 11:56:08 AM
Sam will get way more out of him than Jol did. He is a much better player than he was able to prove with us. Our structure was totally at odds with the way he plays.
It wasn't our structure (most on here deny we have any) but the fact that he wasn't compatable with Berbatov who as we all know is a lazy waste of space, good for nothing except (insert obscene reference to parts of his and Jol's anatomy). And the fact that he was rarely fit.
Obviously with Alladyce (a tactical genius at the opposite end of the scale from the odious Jol) he will be a perfect like for like replacement for Carroll.
We are the only club he has been at where he didn't hit the heights that he is used to.
Which indicates that either he is past his best, or he will start banging them in for WHU.
Quote from: Burt on September 10, 2013, 12:37:03 PM
We are the only club he has been at where he didn't hit the heights that he is used to.
Which indicates that either he is past his best, or he will start banging them in for WHU.
Umm if I'm right he played considerably less games and was our joint second top scorer the season he was with us. I'm not sure him not hitting the same heights is because he was bad.
I can see him getting a hatful with the way they quickly move the ball forward and throw crosses in.Guarantee he will score against us. He looked a very good player, good pace and movement wiuth a great shot. Unfortunately the arrival of Berbatov killed his game, slow build up making it difficult to create space but I would have preferred to keep him than Rodders
More revisionism.
Few posters had much good to say about him after his early promise in preseason and the first few matches.
Now he's a coup for Sam. We'll see.
Yes. Totally ruined by the incompetent coaching and tactics of Martin Jol.
His most productive spell, 20 goals, came in the 41 games at Hamburg when his manager and coach was....er, Martin Jol.
Petric had great technique but didn't feel like he was built for the premiership. He was injury prone, slow and as a result looked quite unfit when he did play. Still though, I'm sure he can grab a few goals if he picks up on any second balls being pumped into the opposition box. Decent backup for West Ham.
I hope he goes on and does well. I don't think we can fairly judge his time with us as he never really got a run of games for various reason!
He's a cracking player. Almost literally
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Good pace? Petric looked dreadfully slow to me, like he was running in slow motion.
Quote from: FancyPantsil on September 10, 2013, 03:40:45 PM
Good pace? Petric looked dreadfully slow to me, like he was running in slow motion.
As opposed to Berbatov, who actually
*is* running in slow motion... 064.gif
Quote from: FancyPantsil on September 10, 2013, 03:40:45 PM
Good pace? Petric looked dreadfully slow to me, like he was running in slow motion.
Maybe not over 60yards sprint but he pulled defenders around over 10 -20 yard runs , he could always make space for a shot.
Problem was the slowness in moving form defence into attack after he made 2-3 short sprints without the ball arriving the areas to run into disappeared. We witnessed his finishing with some great goals so we knew he had the ability and comparing him with BZ he was a masarrati. I would have persevered with him as a partner for Berbatov and impressed on the players to move the ball forward quicker which after all is what Jol keeps harping on about, problem is either the set up of the team does not lend itself or the players are ignoring him.
Good pick up from Fat Sam. Will do well for them, but cant see him playing when Carroll is fit. Will benefit greatly from Downing and Javis' crossing and Joe Cole's creativity.
Having an actual tactical attacking game plan works wonders....
He'll only play while Carroll is injured, but I think he'll be a good signing.
When he was getting playing time for us before Berbatov he showed a bright future, when Berba came you knew he wasnt going to play. If he gets consistent playing time, he will do very well.
Quote from: andersons11 on September 10, 2013, 04:26:41 PM
When he was getting playing time for us before Berbatov he showed a bright future, when Berba came you knew he wasnt going to play. If he gets consistent playing time, he will do very well.
I concur.
Quote from: JBH on September 10, 2013, 11:57:02 AM
If its anything like the time he spent at FFC he will see more of the physios room than he does the pitch
That is untrue, please stick to facts
Quote from: Ruiz11 on September 10, 2013, 04:15:17 PM
He'll only play while Carroll is injured, but I think he'll be a good signing.
As Carroll is yet again injured that will be often then.
Petric was useless, and I feel sorry for West Ham fans. When he got game time, he was lazy and ineffective.
Quote from: Brown@FFC on September 10, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
Petric was useless, and I feel sorry for West Ham fans. When he got game time, he was lazy and ineffective.
No he wasn't, he had a great preseason and a good start until he got Jolled, you watch he will come back and bite us right in the arse(nal) mark my words
Quote from: epsomraver on September 10, 2013, 04:55:32 PM
Quote from: Brown@FFC on September 10, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
Petric was useless, and I feel sorry for West Ham fans. When he got game time, he was lazy and ineffective.
No he wasn't, he had a great preseason and a good start until he got Jolled, you watch he will come back and bite us right in the arse(nal) mark my words
This isn't an opinion. Whenever he came on, he was lazy and ineffective.
Quote from: Brown@FFC on September 10, 2013, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on September 10, 2013, 04:55:32 PM
Quote from: Brown@FFC on September 10, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
Petric was useless, and I feel sorry for West Ham fans. When he got game time, he was lazy and ineffective.
No he wasn't, he had a great preseason and a good start until he got Jolled, you watch he will come back and bite us right in the arse(nal) mark my words
This isn't an opinion. Whenever he came on, he was lazy and ineffective.
He was ineffective because he was given 10 minutes to play every 6 or so matches. How can you be effective with that? People seem to hold his unfortunate goal line miss, yes he should have put it away, but he was no where near match fit, mentally wise.
Quote from: andersons11 on September 10, 2013, 05:02:15 PM
Quote from: Brown@FFC on September 10, 2013, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on September 10, 2013, 04:55:32 PM
Quote from: Brown@FFC on September 10, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
Petric was useless, and I feel sorry for West Ham fans. When he got game time, he was lazy and ineffective.
No he wasn't, he had a great preseason and a good start until he got Jolled, you watch he will come back and bite us right in the arse(nal) mark my words
This isn't an opinion. Whenever he came on, he was lazy and ineffective.
He was ineffective because he was given 10 minutes to play every 6 or so matches. How can you be effective with that? People seem to hold his unfortunate goal line miss, yes he should have put it away, but he was no where near match fit, mentally wise.
Rodallega had little game time, but you can see the effort he put in. Petric looked slow, and you can see it from his record.
Coming from the bench and starting games - two different things . Petric would have been a great starter, and still but just an ok sub
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Quote from: General on September 10, 2013, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Burt on September 10, 2013, 12:37:03 PM
We are the only club he has been at where he didn't hit the heights that he is used to.
Which indicates that either he is past his best, or he will start banging them in for WHU.
Umm if I'm right he played considerably less games and was our joint second top scorer the season he was with us. I'm not sure him not hitting the same heights is because he was bad.
when Petric played he took the penalties didn't he? (well when Berba wasn't here)
had Petric took all the pens and scored he would have been our top scorer wouldn't he?
Quote from: The Old Count on September 10, 2013, 11:44:57 AM
Be intersting to see how he does. Will Allardyce get more out of him than Jol.
I thought he started really well for us but got left out as Jol fell more & more & more in love with Berbatov.
Starter for Hamburg, scored twice and made one against Norwich and scored one of the best free kicks at the Cottage and soon as he is Jolled he is useless? fp.gif
It's amazing how people look for any opportunity to slate Martin Jol.
Exactly, the facts get overlooked on here sometimes if it does not fit the posters personal agenda.
Quote from: epsomraver on September 10, 2013, 06:30:33 PM
Starter for Hamburg, scored twice and made one against Norwich and scored one of the best free kicks at the Cottage and soon as he is Jolled he is useless? fp.gif
Is that true? I thought he was injured.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on September 10, 2013, 12:05:00 PM
Quote from: the nutflush on September 10, 2013, 11:56:08 AM
Sam will get way more out of him than Jol did. He is a much better player than he was able to prove with us. Our structure was totally at odds with the way he plays.
It wasn't our structure (most on here deny we have any) but the fact that he wasn't compatable with Berbatov who as we all know is a lazy waste of space, good for nothing except (insert obscene reference to parts of his and Jol's anatomy). And the fact that he was rarely fit.
Obviously with Alladyce (a tactical genius at the opposite end of the scale from the odious Jol) he will be a perfect like for like replacement for Carroll.
My sarcasm radar is going berserk.
I was quite excited by his signing. His pre season, his demolition of the Norwich back four and his constant chasing down of the ball and closing space at Old Trafford, ultimately leading to our second goal, and I was thinking ooer .... we have a winner. Then bang went the team a couple of knocks and he is history. Might have been oh so different.
Good luck to him except late November and new year.
Stick Petric with a player with a bit of pace and he is very good. Stick him up with Walkabout Berba, looking for some lost tribe on the halfway line and Petric is nothing special. I have never seen so many good to average players become docile looking nags so quickly then under our present jockey.
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 10, 2013, 08:54:12 PM
Stick Petric with a player with a bit of pace and he is very good. Stick him up with Walkabout Berba, looking for some lost tribe on the halfway line and Petric is nothing special. I have never seen so many good to average players become docile looking nags so quickly then under our present jockey.
Have you been working on that analogy? Stand by to get shot at.
Jol got a lot out of him at Hamburg. He was injured for us and then off the pace a bit in the Prem.
I think he'll blow hot and cold for the spam...bit like he would have for us.
Quote from: Putney on September 10, 2013, 06:41:36 PM
It's amazing how people look for any opportunity to slate Martin Jol.
Fully deserved I'm afraid. The guy doesn't play to win, which is what losers do! As a result we rarely win. One hell of a fluke at Sunderland & Newcastle was an embarrassment as a result of his tactics!
Quote from: The Moose on September 10, 2013, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on September 10, 2013, 12:05:00 PM
Quote from: the nutflush on September 10, 2013, 11:56:08 AM
Sam will get way more out of him than Jol did. He is a much better player than he was able to prove with us. Our structure was totally at odds with the way he plays.
It wasn't our structure (most on here deny we have any) but the fact that he wasn't compatable with Berbatov who as we all know is a lazy waste of space, good for nothing except (insert obscene reference to parts of his and Jol's anatomy). And the fact that he was rarely fit.
Obviously with Alladyce (a tactical genius at the opposite end of the scale from the odious Jol) he will be a perfect like for like replacement for Carroll.
My sarcasm radar is going berserk.
Bit like me
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 10, 2013, 08:54:12 PM
Stick Petric with a player with a bit of pace and he is very good. Stick him up with Walkabout Berba, looking for some lost tribe on the halfway line and Petric is nothing special. I have never seen so many good to average players become docile looking nags so quickly then under our present jockey.
That last sentence could be used in a totally different context
Quote from: Berserker on September 10, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 10, 2013, 08:54:12 PM
Stick Petric with a player with a bit of pace and he is very good. Stick him up with Walkabout Berba, looking for some lost tribe on the halfway line and Petric is nothing special. I have never seen so many good to average players become docile looking nags so quickly then under our present jockey.
That last sentence could be used in a totally different context
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Quote from: Brown@FFC on September 10, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
Petric was useless, and I feel sorry for West Ham fans. When he got game time, he was lazy and ineffective.
HONK
Parody account. Trollllllllll
"Yes, he is useless, and No, he isn't" appears to be the opinions so far on his abilities.
I'm looking forward to thinning that statement out on the strength of his performances.
And then, by extension, drawing conclusions on Jol's ability (or lack thereof) to utilise available skill to its maximum.
To be fair he was even lazier than Berba. Never tracked back whereas Berba often does. But he played where a striker should play and was very direct. Stick him with a harder working striker and he'll do well.
Mind I'm not sure he fits the category of big tall and strong that Big Sam so likes, so we'll see how he does.
Quote from: The Moose on September 11, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
To be fair he was even lazier than Berba. Never tracked back whereas Berba often does. But he played where a striker should play and was very direct. Stick him with a harder working striker and he'll do well.
Mind I'm not sure he fits the category of big tall and strong that Big Sam so likes, so we'll see how he does.
So he plays where a striker should be but does not track back? One of our many problems is 11 men behind the ball for set pieces so when the ball is cleared there is no one to receive it apart from the opposition to come back at us once again
Quote from: Fulham76 on September 10, 2013, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: Putney on September 10, 2013, 06:41:36 PM
It's amazing how people look for any opportunity to slate Martin Jol.
Fully deserved I'm afraid. The guy doesn't play to win, which is what losers do! As a result we rarely win. One hell of a fluke at Sunderland & Newcastle was an embarrassment as a result of his tactics!
To say JOl doesn't play to win is total bollox
Quote from: JBH on September 11, 2013, 01:49:56 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on September 10, 2013, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: Putney on September 10, 2013, 06:41:36 PM
It's amazing how people look for any opportunity to slate Martin Jol.
Fully deserved I'm afraid. The guy doesn't play to win, which is what losers do! As a result we rarely win. One hell of a fluke at Sunderland & Newcastle was an embarrassment as a result of his tactics!
To say JOl doesn't play to win is total bollox
That's what we want, a well thought out argument fp.gif
Away from home Jol certainly doesn't play to win a match. If he is playing to win I am not sure what kind of winning tactics 11 players hiding in their own half shouting 'please don't hurt us' is supposed to achieve. It aint winning that's for sure.
Quote from: Fulham76 on September 10, 2013, 10:29:17 PM
Fully deserved I'm afraid. The guy doesn't play to win, which is what losers do! As a result we rarely win. One hell of a fluke at Sunderland & Newcastle was an embarrassment as a result of his tactics!
And what does that have to do with Petric who wasn't good enough for the team or ever fit enough to play?
Remind me how often Hodgson set his side up to win? Can count that on one hand.
He'll get a few for WH. He missed a couple for us that were "impossible to miss", (over the crossbar from the goal line rings a bell). Which I think knocked his confidence. But he will get goals for them. Not sure why big Sam won't play Vaz Te in his favoured position tho. Coyw against WBA.
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 11, 2013, 05:51:37 PM
Away from home Jol certainly doesn't play to win a match. If he is playing to win I am not sure what kind of winning tactics 11 players hiding in their own half shouting 'please don't hurt us' is supposed to achieve. It aint winning that's for sure.
Funny how the memory plays tricks on us.
Roy - 2008/9 - Position 7thAway Record - 3 wins - 8 draws - 8 loses - GF 11 - GA 18
Jol - 2013/4 - Position 12thAway Record - 4 wins - 7 draws - 8 loses - GF 22 - GA 30
So we actually got 2 points more away from home last season than we did in what is seen as one of our greatest seasons.
Jol's problem was the teams home record.
I am also not sure that any Premier League teams play outright attack away from home - most are happy to "nick" a point.
But even when we get good results the football under Jol lacks style, quality, flair, excitement, wibble wibble wibble..............
Quote from: Roberty on September 12, 2013, 08:38:24 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 11, 2013, 05:51:37 PM
Away from home Jol certainly doesn't play to win a match. If he is playing to win I am not sure what kind of winning tactics 11 players hiding in their own half shouting 'please don't hurt us' is supposed to achieve. It aint winning that's for sure.
Funny how the memory plays tricks on us.
Roy - 2008/9 - Position 7th
Away Record - 3 wins - 8 draws - 8 loses - GF 11 - GA 18
Jol - 2013/4 - Position 12th
Away Record - 4 wins - 7 draws - 8 loses - GF 22 - GA 30
So we actually got 2 points more away from home last season than we did in what is seen as one of our greatest seasons.
Jol's problem was the teams home record.
I am also not sure that any Premier League teams play outright attack away from home - most are happy to "nick" a point.
On the other hand our home record is worse.
Not so long ago, the points for a win were increased from 2 to 3. Maybe it's time to make it 4.
Rugby increased the points for a try from 3 to 5, after all.
Quote from: Holders on September 12, 2013, 08:51:31 AM
Not so long ago, the points for a win were increased from 2 to 3. Maybe it's time to make it 4.
Rugby increased the points for a try from 3 to 5, after all.
If goals = entertainment, then maybe its time for a bonus pt for 4 goals or more?
Quote from: epsomraver on September 11, 2013, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: The Moose on September 11, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
To be fair he was even lazier than Berba. Never tracked back whereas Berba often does. But he played where a striker should play and was very direct. Stick him with a harder working striker and he'll do well.
Mind I'm not sure he fits the category of big tall and strong that Big Sam so likes, so we'll see how he does.
I know I know. It's just that Berba was being called lazier. Merely a pedantic point.
So he plays where a striker should be but does not track back? One of our many problems is 11 men behind the ball for set pieces so when the ball is cleared there is no one to receive it apart from the opposition to come back at us once again
Quote from: MJG on September 12, 2013, 08:54:25 AM
Quote from: Holders on September 12, 2013, 08:51:31 AM
Not so long ago, the points for a win were increased from 2 to 3. Maybe it's time to make it 4.
Rugby increased the points for a try from 3 to 5, after all.
If goals = entertainment, then maybe its time for a bonus pt for 4 goals or more?
I was thinking about incentivising the value of a win and encouraging more attacking/adventurous play, particularly away from home - which is what was being discussed above.
I thought that the move to 3 points would do this - but not sufficiently, it would seem. To make it more complicated, there could be 4 points for an away win, 3 for a home win.
