Hypothetical of course :008:
Most of the fanbase is against you. You know that you need a response this weekend! You have to win this weekend to keep your job going forward. One of your best players is on the sidelines and you are coming off of one of the worst performances of the season (which is saying a lot). What do you do? Do you go for it this weekend with an attacking formation or do you try to play for 1-0?
I would do this!
Stockers
Reither Senderos Hangeland Richardson
Dejegah Kara Sidders Duff
Bent Kasami
Subs: Ruiz, Berba, Taarabt, Amorebieta, Kaca, Etheridge
I would sit back a little bit, keep the ball and hit them on the break. If we get up 1-0, push hard for the second and see if we can put them to bed...I think we need our wingers to defend and pick their chances to go forward. We need high energy and closing them down so the midfielders have no time on the ball.
Three luxury players on the bench! Time for Boateng to get in there.
Me I go for
Stockers
Reither
Hangers
Amoriebieta
Richardson
Sidwell
Kasami
Ruiz
Berba
Tarrabt
Bent
Bench
Etheridge
Zvrotic
Karagounis
Kaca
Dejagah if fit (duffers if not)
Boatang
Rodders (would prefer dembele but very unlikely)
Then take the 2-1 win, walk round the ground clapping all the fans, smile in my press conference and say it's an easy game at times
Stockdale
Riether Hangeland Amorebieta Richardson
Kara Sidwell
Ruiz Berbatov Kasami
Bent
get Riether and Richardson attacking down the wings and really attack from the first whistle.
stock
riether amore hang zverotic
dej/duff boatang sidwell kaca/taarabt
ruiz/kasami
berba
Quote from: horse1031 on October 03, 2013, 05:37:02 PM
Hypothetical of course :008:
Most of the fanbase is against you. You know that you need a response this weekend! You have to win this weekend to keep your job going forward. One of your best players is on the sidelines and you are coming off of one of the worst performances of the season (which is saying a lot). What do you do? Do you go for it this weekend with an attacking formation or do you try to play for 1-0?
I would do this!
Stockers
Reither Senderos Hangeland Richardson
Dejegah Kara Sidders Duff
Bent Kasami
Subs: Ruiz, Berba, Taarabt, Amorebieta, Kaca, Etheridge
I would sit back a little bit, keep the ball and hit them on the break. If we get up 1-0, push hard for the second and see if we can put them to bed...I think we need our wingers to defend and pick their chances to go forward. We need high energy and closing them down so the midfielders have no time on the ball.
I think he will pick that team, but with Kasami instead of Deja, Ruiz instead of Duff, and either Senderos or Amorebieta alongside Hangeland. He will not want to lose. Why would he suddenly pick Deja, who probably wouldn't be fit enough anyway to start?
Doesn't matter. We will play negative, slow and deathly football. We'll go 1-0 down, and that will be the end of it. Don't expect any forward passes after the 80th minute.
I would ask them to play the ball forward .
That does not mean it needs to be long balls just away from our own goal !
Especially from free kicks - where
1) the ball is stationary making it easier to kick ( though some of the corners last Saturday make a mockery of that statement ). fp.gif fp.gif fp.gif
2) the opponents are not allowed to tackle you .
Quote from: Brown@FFC on October 03, 2013, 06:07:38 PM
Doesn't matter. We will play negative, slow and deathly football. We'll go 1-0 down, and that will be the end of it. Don't expect any forward passes after the 80th minute.
why are you always so negative
just leave
Quote from: BishopsParkFantastic on October 03, 2013, 05:57:56 PM
Quote from: horse1031 on October 03, 2013, 05:37:02 PM
Hypothetical of course :008:
Most of the fanbase is against you. You know that you need a response this weekend! You have to win this weekend to keep your job going forward. One of your best players is on the sidelines and you are coming off of one of the worst performances of the season (which is saying a lot). What do you do? Do you go for it this weekend with an attacking formation or do you try to play for 1-0?
I would do this!
Stockers
Reither Senderos Hangeland Richardson
Dejegah Kara Sidders Duff
Bent Kasami
Subs: Ruiz, Berba, Taarabt, Amorebieta, Kaca, Etheridge
I would sit back a little bit, keep the ball and hit them on the break. If we get up 1-0, push hard for the second and see if we can put them to bed...I think we need our wingers to defend and pick their chances to go forward. We need high energy and closing them down so the midfielders have no time on the ball.
I think he will pick that team, but with Kasami instead of Deja, Ruiz instead of Duff, and either Senderos or Amorebieta alongside Hangeland. He will not want to lose. Why would he suddenly pick Deja, who probably wouldn't be fit enough anyway to start?
So not that team at all the lol
Quote from: KP_FFC on October 03, 2013, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: Brown@FFC on October 03, 2013, 06:07:38 PM
Doesn't matter. We will play negative, slow and deathly football. We'll go 1-0 down, and that will be the end of it. Don't expect any forward passes after the 80th minute.
why are you always so negative
just leave
Why should he leave? his opinion is as valid as the next mans, I agree with him, I cannot see any massive change Saturday as Jol does not know how to
I am Martin
"Passion and tempo.....don't let them settle....bury them in first 20 mins"
"Go on boys, get out there and stuff 'em"
"Have a good game Berba, and remember you are my favourite"
*strides across to dugout, sits down, closes eyes and prays*
You forgot the head in hands part ;-)
Even if he does respond, and we have a good season up until January, I can see him doing the off's using us fans as an excuse. We won't win either way, mark my words.
Quote from: Berserker on October 03, 2013, 06:31:58 PM
You forgot the head in hands part ;-)
I'm saving that for Plan B.
If I were Martin I like to think I'd go to the owner and offer my resignation rather than wait for the inevitable.
But he'll stick around because "he's not a quitter" (code for "I want my pay-out"). He'll switch people around, play a couple out of position, hope for a lucky goal, and tell Berbatov he's wonderful and that we can't seriously expect to beat Stoke at home because winning games is difficult.
Quote from: The Bronsons on October 03, 2013, 06:58:51 PM
If I were Martin I like to think I'd go to the owner and offer my resignation rather than wait for the inevitable.
But he'll stick around because "he's not a quitter" (code for "I want my pay-out"). He'll switch people around, play a couple out of position, hope for a lucky goal, and tell Berbatov he's wonderful and that we can't seriously expect to beat Stoke at home because winning games is difficult.
Perfect description.
If I were Martin, I would probably analyze the players' form, fitness, morale and training performances. I would then analyze the likely tactics used by Stoke City based on their previous games, highlighting their strengths and weaknesses before developing a system and strategy in order to exploit those weaknesses; combining the above factors, creating a tactical plan and selecting my line up accordingly.
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I am Martin, I am a great manager I only came here because my London desres needed an airing. I got rid of that moaning Zamora, the mouthy Murphy and still they are not happy.
Only me.......... ME could have persuaded the most talented player in Europe to come here. They will not give me any money, so what do they expect. ?????
I wish I was at Tottenham, I loved Tottenham I loved them and they loved me , 6 years ago I got them to the bottom on the table too, BUT that was not my fault either.
He will tell them to attack early and often. He can't afford sit back at the 80th minute if the game is then tied or Fulham is down. His job is on the line, and he knows it. The players also know what is at stake. The team has more talent, on paper, than Stoke has. We'll see who's come to play in the first 15 minutes. Get behind them, especially if Stoke gets a lucky early goal.
Quote from: Pluto on October 03, 2013, 07:08:58 PM
If I were Martin, I would probably analyze the players' form, fitness, morale and training performances. I would then analyze the likely tactics used by Stoke City based on their previous games, highlighting their strengths and weaknesses before developing a system and strategy in order to exploit those weaknesses; combining the above factors, creating a tactical plan and selecting my line up accordingly.
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Nope - far too sensible, not to say revolutionary.
Playing Richardson is a death wish. I'd rather have Amoribieta instead.
Quote from: Pluto on October 03, 2013, 07:08:58 PM
If I were Martin, I would probably analyze the players' form, fitness, morale and training performances. I would then analyze the likely tactics used by Stoke City based on their previous games, highlighting their strengths and weaknesses before developing a system and strategy in order to exploit those weaknesses; combining the above factors, creating a tactical plan and selecting my line up accordingly.
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for the first time ever at Fulham
When people select their teams to solve our problems on topics like this and many others, I am amazed how often people select at least 3 out of 4 of berbatov, ruiz, tarrabt and bent.
IMO 2 of them is enough in a team, 3 is a luxury which could work in a confident side but is a disaster in a struggling team.
Assuming Parker and Dejagah are injured.
My team to do a job.
Stockdale
Riether Hangeland Amorea Zvrotic
Boatang
Kasami Sidwell
Ruiz Kaca
Bent
I think we should go for it
Stockdale
Riether Senderos Hangeland Amorebieta
Boateng Sidwell
Ruiz Berbatov Taarabt
Bent
Subs - Etheridge , Richardson , Karagounis , Kasami , Dejagah , Kacaniklic , Rodallega
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on October 03, 2013, 11:56:22 PM
I think we should go for it
Stockdale
Riether Senderos Hangeland Amorebieta
Boateng Sidwell
Ruiz Berbatov Taarabt
Bent
Subs - Etheridge , Richardson , Karagounis , Kasami , Dejagah , Kacaniklic , Rodallega
Yes you are right, typlcal Jol move, drop Kasami who has been one of our few good players lately and bring in Taarabt who has managed two body swerves so far and so obvious he lost the ball both times, oh yes must have no 1 son playing as well fp.gif fp.gif fp.gif
Same thing I've been saying for years, pressure high up the pitch, attack with one touch swift passing, lots of off the ball movement, lots of bodies in the box including Berba (who to be fair has been doing that more lately), lots of through balls for Bent, Ruiz actually getting in the final third regularly.
Would go for:
Riether Senderos Amorebieta Richardson
Kara Sidwell
Ruiz Berbatov Kasami
Bent
Hangeland has been rubbish of late.
Matters not a jot to me who starts in midfield or upfront , you are only as strong as your weakest link, and like it or not our weakest link is David Stockdale !
Yes he can tip a shot from 25 yards over the bar, but all other aspects of goalkeeping duties he is f*cking useless at, his handling of the ball from crosses is the worst I've ever seen from a Fulham keeper and I've been going 43 years, he is not vocal enough to ever make it as a top flight keeper and I couldn't name one other keeper in The Premier League that fails to command his area as poorly as Stockdale does, can you ?
For me Fulham are tailor made for Stoke City and they will look to get the likes of Crouch, Jones, Huth etc in to the box as often as possible as we look like conceding every time there is a cross in to our box,
So unless Stockdale has learnt how to come a claim a ball in the last seven days and Brede has learnt how to jump its my opinion that were in for another long afternoon.
Stockdale
Reither Hangeland Amorebieta Briggs
Boateng Sidwell(unfortunately)
Dejagah Ruiz Kaca
Bent
The best we have at the moment I'm afraid, I'm sorry but anyone who believes Senderos or Berbatov should feature clearly doesnt watch football.
Quote from: The Rock on October 03, 2013, 10:01:37 PM
Playing Richardson is a death wish. I'd rather have Amoribieta instead.
Would agree, but would mean playing 'Big Phil' in the middle, give Briggs a go
briggs is injured
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on October 04, 2013, 02:53:30 AM
Stockdale
Reither Hangeland Amorebieta Briggs
Boateng Sidwell(unfortunately)
Dejagah Ruiz Kaca
Bent
The best we have at the moment I'm afraid, I'm sorry but anyone who believes Senderos or Berbatov should feature clearly doesnt watch football.
A half fit Boateng and Dejagah enter your team and you accuse others of lacking football knowledge. That's rich.
Quote from: Riversider on October 04, 2013, 01:23:36 AM
Matters not a jot to me who starts in midfield or upfront , you are only as strong as your weakest link, and like it or not our weakest link is David Stockdale !
Yes he can tip a shot from 25 yards over the bar, but all other aspects of goalkeeping duties he is f*cking useless at, his handling of the ball from crosses is the worst I've ever seen from a Fulham keeper and I've been going 43 years, he is not vocal enough to ever make it as a top flight keeper and I couldn't name one other keeper in The Premier League that fails to command his area as poorly as Stockdale does, can you ?
For me Fulham are tailor made for Stoke City and they will look to get the likes of Crouch, Jones, Huth etc in to the box as often as possible as we look like conceding every time there is a cross in to our box,
So unless Stockdale has learnt how to come a claim a ball in the last seven days and Brede has learnt how to jump its my opinion that were in for another long afternoon.
Why pick on Stockdale, there were plenty others last Saturday who made errors as well, Stockdale had a poor game perhaps because the team captain in front of him was all over the place and there was no organisation in defence at all.
and post match interview........."They (the fans) should realise that Fulham aren't Barcelona, it's not as if we are in the Championship, we're bottom of the Premiership, it's a great league to be bottom of."
Taraabt should be nowhere near the match squad until he gets fit- I don't even know how a PL footballer can be in such poor shape.
Quote from: horse1031 on October 03, 2013, 05:37:02 PM
Hypothetical of course :008:
Most of the fanbase is against you. You know that you need a response this weekend! You have to win this weekend to keep your job going forward. One of your best players is on the sidelines and you are coming off of one of the worst performances of the season (which is saying a lot). What do you do? Do you go for it this weekend with an attacking formation or do you try to play for 1-0?
I would do this!
Stockers
Reither Senderos Hangeland Richardson
Dejegah Kara Sidders Duff
Bent Kasami
Subs: Ruiz, Berba, Taarabt, Amorebieta, Kaca, Etheridge
I would sit back a little bit, keep the ball and hit them on the break. If we get up 1-0, push hard for the second and see if we can put them to bed...I think we need our wingers to defend and pick their chances to go forward. We need high energy and closing them down so the midfielders have no time on the ball.
I would sit back a little bit, keep the ball and hit them on the break. - you mean hit them on the break with our incredibly pacy front men who won't kill the momentum of an attack and who won't take 6 touches to go round in circles before passing backwards?? Good plan.......
Beat me to it. Hit them on the break?? Which one of dad's army is going to do that.? :Get Coat gif:
Martin here....just wanted to say don't worry, we are working very hard on the training pitch every day but we can't seem to get it right on a Saturday. It's good to see my boy Moussa playing well, although I will miss Dempsheys goals now he has gone to Sheattle. I have tried to get Moussa back in the team on a Saturday but keep being told he can't play and I have to have Shtevie Sidwell, which is unfortunate. Don't worry though, we are in the champions league places and looking good.....what? yes.... I go to Hotspur park for training every day.....what? we train at Motspur Park do we.....?? Oh.... :drums:
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2013/october/04/jol-on-young-whites (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2013/october/04/jol-on-young-whites)
Quote from: Berserker on October 03, 2013, 06:31:58 PM
You forgot the head in hands part ;-)
...and of course the notebook, into which he jots down all the incidents that he can use to blame others for in the latest disaster.
For me tomorrow it should be:
Stockdale
Amorbrieta (left back)
Hangeland
Senderos
Riether
Kaca
Kara
Boateng
Kasami
Taarabt
Bent
Tell Berbatov to grow a pair and come back when he's sorted his attitude out
I realise that taarabt isn't 100% fit but he's the only player that has shot and attacked a team (arsenal) all year. My instructions to him would be run at them commit players he'll have huth and nzonzi on yellows in the first 20 mins. Then sub him after fifty minutes bring on Sidwell pack the midfield and hit them on the break
People saying Berbatov shouldn't play, surely you know if hes fit, he starts. For me, thats not the worst thing, hes clearly our most talented player and yes his attitude is terrible but hes someone who will score goals.
Bent and Berbatov up top (with Bent running in behind and Berbatov just off of him) should be what we play at home against weaker opponents.
Kasami has to start on previous form, and Ruiz will most likely start due to his goal last week.
Kara and Sidwell are the most likely pairing with Parker out and Boateng nowhere to be seen.
I really don't see why Richardson is getting all this hate as hes not been outstanding but decent at LB. Riether clearly starts at RB.
Hangeland was awful last game but hes our captain and has been at the club for a long time now and will really try for us as fans. Amorebieta looks very good so should start with him. These 2 should nullify Kenwyne Jones should he start as hes all about the physical side.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on October 04, 2013, 10:20:46 PM
People saying Berbatov shouldn't play, surely you know if hes fit, he starts. For me, thats not the worst thing, hes clearly our most talented player and yes his attitude is terrible but hes someone who will score goals.
Bent and Berbatov up top (with Bent running in behind and Berbatov just off of him) should be what we play at home against weaker opponents.
Kasami has to start on previous form, and Ruiz will most likely start due to his goal last week.
Kara and Sidwell are the most likely pairing with Parker out and Boateng nowhere to be seen.
I really don't see why Richardson is getting all this hate as hes not been outstanding but decent at LB. Riether clearly starts at RB.
Hangeland was awful last game but hes our captain and has been at the club for a long time now and will really try for us as fans. Amorebieta looks very good so should start with him. These 2 should nullify Kenwyne Jones should he start as hes all about the physical side.
If I was Martin berbatov wouldn't be near the team but yes you are correct I'd put my house on him starting tomorrow however we need a fighter ala berbatov when he first came and not the petulant child who's turned up this year
I agree re Richardson I really like him however Amor is better and will eventually have a great partnership with brede I'm sure but on the evidence of last week's positioning between the two unless miracles have been worked on the training ground this week then this isn't the game for that.
