I assume that by this time, Jol will be replaced by a competent manager and coaching team. This is what must happen:
- Bent & Taarabt sent back to their respective clubs.
- Berbatov, Ruiz, Duff & Riise sold (or, if not, isolated from the 1st team to run down their contracts).
- At least £20m spent on the 1st team squad. These players should be aged between 21-27.
- We need a CB, CM, a winger, and two strikers.
- We need pace. Lots of it.
- Integrate youth prospects into the team - ideally before January.
This may be unrealistic, but as far as I'm concerned, we don't have a choice. Radical changes are needed. Time for Khan to prove his mettle.
Left back as well
agree with everything apart from the taarabt point, thought he did very well today
The problem is Sidwell and Parker. Always has been.
Quote from: threedhomer on November 30, 2013, 07:50:39 PM
The problem is Sidwell and Parker. Always has been.
Not Parker. His workrate is something that all our team needs
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on November 30, 2013, 08:04:57 PM
Quote from: threedhomer on November 30, 2013, 07:50:39 PM
The problem is Sidwell and Parker. Always has been.
Not Parker. His workrate is something that all our team needs
I agree to some extent with what threedhomer is saying. My view on it, however, is that the responsibilities assigned to Sidwell and Parker hugely outweigh their capabilities. Both are expected to shield an extremely leaky, and aging, defence and also act as the creative hub of the team. Sidwell isn't very good at either of those things but he plays because of his work-rate; Parker reads the game incredibly well, but probably doesn't have the subtlety (anymore) to be a midfield playmaker.
Taarabt did well today but he won't be here next year. Send him back, we don't need loan mercenaries anymore. We need players who are actually affected by the results of the team. Bent and Taarabt laughing as we conceded a few weeks ago said it all. They won't be the players fighting for us to survive, they leave in may, our relegation has no effect on their careers in any way shape or form.
Quote from: EJL on November 30, 2013, 08:10:04 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on November 30, 2013, 08:04:57 PM
Quote from: threedhomer on November 30, 2013, 07:50:39 PM
The problem is Sidwell and Parker. Always has been.
Not Parker. His workrate is something that all our team needs
I agree to some extent with what threedhomer is saying. My view on it, however, is that the responsibilities assigned to Sidwell and Parker hugely outweigh their capabilities. Both are expected to shield an extremely leaky, and aging, defence and also act as the creative hub of the team. Sidwell isn't very good at either of those things but he plays because of his work-rate; Parker reads the game incredibly well, but probably doesn't have the subtlety (anymore) to be a midfield playmaker.
Agree with you there. Outstanding at the back, but can't go forward, so why give him that role? Put him in the Claude Makelele spot (circa 2004-07) and let the others go forward
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on November 30, 2013, 08:12:11 PM
Quote from: EJL on November 30, 2013, 08:10:04 PM
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on November 30, 2013, 08:04:57 PM
Quote from: threedhomer on November 30, 2013, 07:50:39 PM
The problem is Sidwell and Parker. Always has been.
Not Parker. His workrate is something that all our team needs
I agree to some extent with what threedhomer is saying. My view on it, however, is that the responsibilities assigned to Sidwell and Parker hugely outweigh their capabilities. Both are expected to shield an extremely leaky, and aging, defence and also act as the creative hub of the team. Sidwell isn't very good at either of those things but he plays because of his work-rate; Parker reads the game incredibly well, but probably doesn't have the subtlety (anymore) to be a midfield playmaker.
Agree with you there. Outstanding at the back, but can't go forward, so why give him that role? Put him in the Claude Makelele spot (circa 2004-07) and let the others go forward
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If there is a manager out there who could motivate our load of dross I don´t know if he would want to come to us. Anyone out there who is still unemployed can´t be very good or they would have found a club by now.
As far as new players goes we need a LB, CB, creative MF, striker. This to be partly funded by releasing or selling, Riise,Duff, Sidwell,Berbatov & Richardson.
I've been saying for months that Richardson is not cut out to be a Premier League player.
Not just richardson! Hughes aswell brilliant servant to the club but is way passwd his best and he not keep up anymore! I could go on on about loads more of the first 11 aswell but its all been said already
yes to all of you, because if there's one thing we can all agree upon, it's that our horrific form over the last 13 months is COMPLETELY down to individual players.
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Hello everyone,
First time posting but have been reading the comments for a while. I was slightly optimistic before the game but once the first goal went in, it was a question of how many they would score.
I think if Jol were to be sacked he would have gone by now so I think he will be around at least until the Spurs game but if we lose the next two he has got to be sacked. I have no idea who will take over but anyone will be better than Jol. I hope we bring in Murphy as a coach.
I agree we do need to spend a good 20 million. I don't know what you guys think but I think Guidetti would be a good signing. Not sure he would be the right signing to get us out of this mess but will do well for us in the long term. Kaboul looks like he will be on his way out from spurs, and could possibly do a decent job at the back for us. I think we need to get rid of Senderos, Richardson, Sidwell, Duff, Berbatov and Ruiz. I would consider keeping Hughes and Karagounis as player coaches. If we can get some decent loan players I would think about sending back the two we have got. If Taarabt can sort out his decision making and pass the ball once in a while he would be a fantastic player. I think we need a new left back, 2 central defenders, a good holding midfield, a creative midfield player, another option on the left wing as well as the right wing, and two new forwards if we get rid of Berbatov, Ruiz and Bent. Essentially we need to rip up the team and start again.
Team until the window opens in a 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation. The players can also be adapted to play 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2.
GK - Steck
LB - Richardson (only until the window opens up)
RB - Reither
CB - Amorebieta
CB - Hangeland if 100% fit. If not....I don't know, I think Senderos and Hughes are both past playing at this level.
Mid - Parker, Boateng, Kasami. I would give Kasami the freedom to move up and support the attack. I don't know if Zverotic could playing in that defensive role?
LW - Taarabt/Rodders
RW - Dejagah
F- Bent if we keep him and Rodders is not playing on the wing.
I would also start pushing the likes of Dembele, Plumain, Della Verde, Passley, Grimmer, Richards, Tankovic, Vigen and Davids towards the first team. Put some of them Bench.
I think the majority of the line up will at least try even though they may not be any good. We will have a little bit more pace. Here's hoping for an improvement!
Quote from: yorkie on December 01, 2013, 04:46:03 PM
Hello everyone,
First time posting but have been reading the comments for a while. I was slightly optimistic before the game but once the first goal went in, it was a question of how many they would score.
I think if Jol were to be sacked he would have gone by now so I think he will be around at least until the Spurs game but if we lose the next two he has got to be sacked. I have no idea who will take over but anyone will be better than Jol. I hope we bring in Murphy as a coach.
I agree we do need to spend a good 20 million. I don't know what you guys think but I think Guidetti would be a good signing. Not sure he would be the right signing to get us out of this mess but will do well for us in the long term. Kaboul looks like he will be on his way out from spurs, and could possibly do a decent job at the back for us. I think we need to get rid of Senderos, Richardson, Sidwell, Duff, Berbatov and Ruiz. I would consider keeping Hughes and Karagounis as player coaches. If we can get some decent loan players I would think about sending back the two we have got. If Taarabt can sort out his decision making and pass the ball once in a while he would be a fantastic player. I think we need a new left back, 2 central defenders, a good holding midfield, a creative midfield player, another option on the left wing as well as the right wing, and two new forwards if we get rid of Berbatov, Ruiz and Bent. Essentially we need to rip up the team and start again.
Team until the window opens in a 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation. The players can also be adapted to play 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2.
GK - Steck
LB - Richardson (only until the window opens up)
RB - Reither
CB - Amorebieta
CB - Hangeland if 100% fit. If not....I don't know, I think Senderos and Hughes are both past playing at this level.
Mid - Parker, Boateng, Kasami. I would give Kasami the freedom to move up and support the attack. I don't know if Zverotic could playing in that defensive role?
LW - Taarabt/Rodders
RW - Dejagah
F- Bent if we keep him and Rodders is not playing on the wing.
I would also start pushing the likes of Dembele, Plumain, Della Verde, Passley, Grimmer, Richards, Tankovic, Vigen and Davids towards the first team. Put some of them Bench.
I think the majority of the line up will at least try even though they may not be any good. We will have a little bit more pace. Here's hoping for an improvement!
Take it you don't listen to the news?
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The squad is decent or worse all around. The question shouldn't be who has got to go but "who should we keep?"
Taraabt played well? Repeatedly poking a ball around one midfielder and then losing it to the very next defender? It is true that he tried something, 'at least,' to go it alone over and over. But his diving was near Ashley Young levels of disgraceful... Karagounis was overheard suggesting he ease up a bit.
if we're building around effort and competence it's going to be a rather empty team sheet. Riether is on there. Dejagah's ability before his injury keeps him in. Kacaniklic is around, if only as a squad player until he proves otherwise. Sidwell and Parker could fit into some new squad, though maybe not on the field at the same time. Zverotic hasn't been given enough of a chance.
otherwise... its a little bleak.
I've seen very little of Buttner, Zaha, Anderson and Bardsley so can't really make a judgement on whether they'd be good signings. One player I think would be perfect is Shane Long. He's been strongly linked with Hull and is ideal for the lone striker role: hard working, quick, makes good runs and gets in the box. He's a Bent-AJ hybrid and could get us 10 goals maybe. I'd keep Bent as a super sub.
Shane Long yes please.
Not entirely convinced with Shane Long. He's pretty much Andy Johnson.
Quote from: HatterDon on December 01, 2013, 02:32:43 PM
yes to all of you, because if there's one thing we can all agree upon, it's that our horrific form over the last 13 months is COMPLETELY down to individual players.
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Sorry Mr HD surely even you cannot believe it is totally down to Jol either, are you absolving the players of any responsibility in their individual performances, whether you have tactcis or not, passing the ball is basic footballing stuff, being able to pick out your own players, defending at corners all basic's that these so called professional experienced players should not need coaching in.
I'd love to buy either Will Hughes or (a fit) Anderson to partner Parker in the centre of the field.
Purchase Stefano Denswill or (if we can) bring back Dan Burn, to join the defence.
Try to bring in Zaha or Januzaj on Loan - guaranteed playing time under Rene could persuade Utd to let us borrow two of their rising stars.
Dempsey on loan, could also do a job for us. I know he didn't leave on great terms, but - for me - a bad month didn't undo the years of energy he gave for us. We need goals. All demps does is score..
And buy a pacey striker, like Shane Long or Guidetti, to give the midfield some options up front.
I think we need a better LB, too (who can cross the ball), but I don't think that Buttner is good enough defensively, and can't think of better names who are available.
As an aside, I'd take practically anyone from Spurs bench - Defoe, Sigudsson, Holtby, Dembele, Lennon, Kaboul, Naughton etc. But, Spurs don't have a great history of selling to us, so probably unlikely..
We need players that are willing to fight for the future of the club and hungry to succeed.
Loan signings are too much of a risk.
We need youthful players that are ready to step up.
Maybe we need to look to the Championship.
Experience doesn't count for everything, as we've discovered with the current set of players.
Firstly I would like to say hi everybody as I am new to this!
secondly I would like to see who people would like to see come to our club January and who out ?
is there anybody not is not instantly obvious that you reckon would bring us quality and a hard working ethic that we are clearly lack?
I think we would benefit from a big lump upfront along side pacey players perhaps even offering pavel progrebnyak an offer to come back and getting him off big wages at reading.
p.s shame we are not in a better position this season we could of looked at urby emanuelson on a pre-contract as his contract is up at the end of the season.
wow that font size is huge apologies
Welcome to the board.
There's actually already a thread on this called 'January...', in which a lot of people have made similar suggestions for possible transfer targets.
Maybe head over there to see what people think?
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=34361.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=34361.0)
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
wow that font size is huge apologies
Brilliant. Cracking way to make an impact.
I agree regarding the big lump. We tried to pump endless balls to Bent and nothing stuck. Not saying it should be our route out of trouble, but it helps when plan B needs to be actioned. There might be that the same situ arises that Pog come to us in with 6 months left on his contract. We definitely need an option.
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 12:23:57 PM
pavel progrebnyak
urby emanuelson
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Well, I'd always said I'd like to see some "big name players" join the club.. But this isn't quite what I meant ;)
Quote from: Rudolph on December 03, 2013, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
wow that font size is huge apologies
Brilliant. Cracking way to make an impact.
I agree regarding the big lump. We tried to pump endless balls to Bent and nothing stuck. Not saying it should be our route out of trouble, but it helps when plan B needs to be actioned. There might be that the same situ arises that Pog come to us in with 6 months left on his contract. We definitely need an option.
Haha useless with this sort of thing hopefully get the hang of it soon.
i struggle to see who is going to come to us the position we are in lets hope that players transfer their respect for rene into wanting to fight for our cause
Quote from: Craven Mad on December 03, 2013, 12:36:19 PM
Welcome to the board.
There's actually already a thread on this called 'January...', in which a lot of people have made similar suggestions for possible transfer targets.
Maybe head over there to see what people think?
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=34361.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=34361.0)
Thanks mate
bardsley could be a good option he does put in a shift.
shame we are not in a better position to offer michah richards a way out for 1st team footy.
all would be forgotten in my eyes if dempsey came back on loan and bagged few for us his shift work alone is worthy of signing him. I would be gutted to see him anywhere else.
hopefully rene can get either anderson/buttner/zaha or as many as he could on loan or anderson permanent maybe.
how much if any at all do you reckon we have available for us.
i do see January window as a huge opportunity to offload riise on a free and berba for a few mill would seriously lighten our wage bill in order to bag few people.
Really do think we missed out big time on huddlestone last window.
No more short-term fixes. This policy has failed. We need to invest in younger players with sell-on potential. Obviously, this would require a greater outlay, but it's more sustainable than building our squad around 30-somethings. Dembele is the perfect example. Bought for 5m at 23 y/o, and sold for double this 2 years later. We should also consider those who are out of favour at their current clubs. Bertrand, Buttner, Naughton, Cork, Rodwell, Anderson, Allen, Long etc. would all improve our squad. We could even dip into the lower divisions or overseas markets. I'm sure that Will Hughes and Tom Ince could make the step up. We have been a Premier League fixture for over 12 seasons and we need to show some ambition to extend our stay.
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: Rudolph on December 03, 2013, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
wow that font size is huge apologies
Brilliant. Cracking way to make an impact.
I agree regarding the big lump. We tried to pump endless balls to Bent and nothing stuck. Not saying it should be our route out of trouble, but it helps when plan B needs to be actioned. There might be that the same situ arises that Pog come to us in with 6 months left on his contract. We definitely need an option.
Haha useless with this sort of thing hopefully get the hang of it soon.
i struggle to see who is going to come to us the position we are in lets hope that players transfer their respect for rene into wanting to fight for our cause
If this whole Jol situation has taught us anything it's that people outside of Fulham take a while to register what goes on at this club. Some
still don't quite have the full picture: I've seen a few columns suggesting the West Ham result was the sole reason for Jol's departure. So when we apply this 'slow reaction' trend to potential transfer targets, I don't think they'll be too phased by the whole thing. One, because we still have a decent rep following the EL run, and two, we now have supposedly one of the best coaches in Europe managing the team. It could be a lot worse for a player looking to make a splash in the Premier League.
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: Rudolph on December 03, 2013, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
wow that font size is huge apologies
Brilliant. Cracking way to make an impact.
I agree regarding the big lump. We tried to pump endless balls to Bent and nothing stuck. Not saying it should be our route out of trouble, but it helps when plan B needs to be actioned. There might be that the same situ arises that Pog come to us in with 6 months left on his contract. We definitely need an option.
Haha useless with this sort of thing hopefully get the hang of it soon.
i struggle to see who is going to come to us the position we are in lets hope that players transfer their respect for rene into wanting to fight for our cause
If this whole Jol situation has taught us anything it's that people outside of Fulham take a while to register what goes on at this club. Some still don't quite have the full picture: I've seen a few columns suggesting the West Ham result was the sole reason for Jol's departure. So when we apply this 'slow reaction' trend to potential transfer targets, I don't think they'll be too phased by the whole thing. One, because we still have a decent rep following the EL run, and two, we now have supposedly one of the best coaches in Europe managing the team. It could be a lot worse for a player looking to make a splash in the Premier League.
I guess it could be worse especially if they actually done their homework on our recent disappointing attempt of being an EPL team.
fingers crossed rene has few favours to call in or a few tricks up his sleeve
Quote from: Classic94 on December 03, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
No more short-term fixes. This policy has failed. We need to invest in younger players with sell-on potential. Obviously, this would require a greater outlay, but it's more sustainable than building our squad around 30-somethings. Dembele is the perfect example. Bought for 5m at 23 y/o, and sold for double this 2 years later. We should also consider those who are out of favour at their current clubs. Bertrand, Buttner, Naughton, Cork, Rodwell, Anderson, Allen, Long etc. would all improve our squad. We could even dip into the lower divisions or overseas markets. I'm sure that Will Hughes and Tom Ince could make the step up. We have been a Premier League fixture for over 12 seasons and we need to show some ambition to extend our stay.
some good points and options there especially the out of favour tactic. however i cannot see ince or hughes coming to us they will both do a zaha and go big clubs. now and again you get good young players that realise its best to go to clubs like us for example like jack butland but look whats happened to him straight back out on loan to lower division
Quote from: Classic94 on December 03, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
No more short-term fixes. This policy has failed. We need to invest in younger players with sell-on potential. Obviously, this would require a greater outlay, but it's more sustainable than building our squad around 30-somethings. Dembele is the perfect example. Bought for 5m at 23 y/o, and sold for double this 2 years later. We should also consider those who are out of favour at their current clubs. Bertrand, Buttner, Naughton, Cork, Rodwell, Anderson, Allen, Long etc. would all improve our squad. We could even dip into the lower divisions or overseas markets. I'm sure that Will Hughes and Tom Ince could make the step up. We have been a Premier League fixture for over 12 seasons and we need to show some ambition to extend our stay.
Agree with every point you make. Kahn needs to realise that sustainability is more than just extra seats and cheap/old players. Southhampton are the best example of a team that wisely invests in youth - Llana, Clyne, Shaw, Rodriguez etc are all examples of names mentioned on this board years and years ago - but we chose ageing 'names instead'...
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: Rudolph on December 03, 2013, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
wow that font size is huge apologies
Brilliant. Cracking way to make an impact.
I agree regarding the big lump. We tried to pump endless balls to Bent and nothing stuck. Not saying it should be our route out of trouble, but it helps when plan B needs to be actioned. There might be that the same situ arises that Pog come to us in with 6 months left on his contract. We definitely need an option.
Haha useless with this sort of thing hopefully get the hang of it soon.
i struggle to see who is going to come to us the position we are in lets hope that players transfer their respect for rene into wanting to fight for our cause
If this whole Jol situation has taught us anything it's that people outside of Fulham take a while to register what goes on at this club. Some still don't quite have the full picture: I've seen a few columns suggesting the West Ham result was the sole reason for Jol's departure. So when we apply this 'slow reaction' trend to potential transfer targets, I don't think they'll be too phased by the whole thing. One, because we still have a decent rep following the EL run, and two, we now have supposedly one of the best coaches in Europe managing the team. It could be a lot worse for a player looking to make a splash in the Premier League.
The only thing I can believe about someone who says this is that they must have just begun watching us play.
I do believe that the higher ups likely were giving him several more games to turn it around. After all, Rene was his hire and two games (I believe) isn't really enough time to see the benefits of that change.
It was the manner of our capitulation in the West Ham game that broke the camel's back. Even the most optimistic of fans would have seen that these players have just don't have a fighting spirit in them any longer.
Agreed that Rene's reputation should help us recruit players.
I don't know how much residual umph our Euro run has anymore. That cow's been milked.
Surely there is an argument the fans got him the boot?
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on December 03, 2013, 01:42:59 PM
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: Rudolph on December 03, 2013, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
wow that font size is huge apologies
Brilliant. Cracking way to make an impact.
I agree regarding the big lump. We tried to pump endless balls to Bent and nothing stuck. Not saying it should be our route out of trouble, but it helps when plan B needs to be actioned. There might be that the same situ arises that Pog come to us in with 6 months left on his contract. We definitely need an option.
Haha useless with this sort of thing hopefully get the hang of it soon.
i struggle to see who is going to come to us the position we are in lets hope that players transfer their respect for rene into wanting to fight for our cause
If this whole Jol situation has taught us anything it's that people outside of Fulham take a while to register what goes on at this club. Some still don't quite have the full picture: I've seen a few columns suggesting the West Ham result was the sole reason for Jol's departure. So when we apply this 'slow reaction' trend to potential transfer targets, I don't think they'll be too phased by the whole thing. One, because we still have a decent rep following the EL run, and two, we now have supposedly one of the best coaches in Europe managing the team. It could be a lot worse for a player looking to make a splash in the Premier League.
The only thing I can believe about someone who says this is that they must have just begun watching us play.
I do believe that the higher ups likely were giving him several more games to turn it around. After all, Rene was his hire and two games (I believe) isn't really enough time to see the benefits of that change.
It was the manner of our capitulation in the West Ham game that broke the camel's back. Even the most optimistic of fans would have seen that these players have just don't have a fighting spirit in them any longer.
Agreed that Rene's reputation should help us recruit players.
I don't know how much residual umph our Euro run has anymore. That cow's been milked.
I for one was one of those optimists.
It just got to the point when martin jols expressions epitomised the team as a whole.
surely a lost cause underneath a manager who was becoming deflated with his own "berbatov syndrome"
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on December 03, 2013, 01:42:59 PM
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: Rudolph on December 03, 2013, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
wow that font size is huge apologies
Brilliant. Cracking way to make an impact.
I agree regarding the big lump. We tried to pump endless balls to Bent and nothing stuck. Not saying it should be our route out of trouble, but it helps when plan B needs to be actioned. There might be that the same situ arises that Pog come to us in with 6 months left on his contract. We definitely need an option.
Haha useless with this sort of thing hopefully get the hang of it soon.
i struggle to see who is going to come to us the position we are in lets hope that players transfer their respect for rene into wanting to fight for our cause
If this whole Jol situation has taught us anything it's that people outside of Fulham take a while to register what goes on at this club. Some still don't quite have the full picture: I've seen a few columns suggesting the West Ham result was the sole reason for Jol's departure. So when we apply this 'slow reaction' trend to potential transfer targets, I don't think they'll be too phased by the whole thing. One, because we still have a decent rep following the EL run, and two, we now have supposedly one of the best coaches in Europe managing the team. It could be a lot worse for a player looking to make a splash in the Premier League.
The only thing I can believe about someone who says this is that they must have just begun watching us play.
I do believe that the higher ups likely were giving him several more games to turn it around. After all, Rene was his hire and two games (I believe) isn't really enough time to see the benefits of that change.
It was the manner of our capitulation in the West Ham game that broke the camel's back. Even the most optimistic of fans would have seen that these players have just don't have a fighting spirit in them any longer.
Agreed that Rene's reputation should help us recruit players.
I don't know how much residual umph our Euro run has anymore. That cow's been milked.
Pretty much most non-Fulham fans come under that criteria.
Quote from: Craven Mad on December 03, 2013, 01:35:45 PM
Quote from: Classic94 on December 03, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
No more short-term fixes. This policy has failed. We need to invest in younger players with sell-on potential. Obviously, this would require a greater outlay, but it's more sustainable than building our squad around 30-somethings. Dembele is the perfect example. Bought for 5m at 23 y/o, and sold for double this 2 years later. We should also consider those who are out of favour at their current clubs. Bertrand, Buttner, Naughton, Cork, Rodwell, Anderson, Allen, Long etc. would all improve our squad. We could even dip into the lower divisions or overseas markets. I'm sure that Will Hughes and Tom Ince could make the step up. We have been a Premier League fixture for over 12 seasons and we need to show some ambition to extend our stay.
Agree with every point you make. Kahn needs to realise that sustainability is more than just extra seats and cheap/old players. Southhampton are the best example of a team that wisely invests in youth - Llana, Clyne, Shaw, Rodriguez etc are all examples of names mentioned on this board years and years ago - but we chose ageing 'names instead'...
and the difficulty now is to either sign the good youth that will fight for us (hopefully) and the proven ageing names who could possibly make us do a QParse.
Also is Hugo not a lump we could put up front? Great work ethic, bundles through players and generally puts in a shift.
Quote from: FFC1987 on December 03, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Also is Hugo not a lump we could put up front? Great work ethic, bundles through players and generally puts in a shift.
I think he's going to get a fair run at the starting role when he's healthy (should be soon, no?).
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Quote from: FFC1987 on December 03, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Also is Hugo not a lump we could put up front? Great work ethic, bundles through players and generally puts in a shift.
I think he's going to get a fair run at the starting role when he's healthy (should be soon, no?).
personally think his work ethic is good but he is more of a channel runner like bent or a AJ. (my opinion)
think in these times we could do with a target man like a pog or zamora
Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 01:14:54 PM
bardsley could be a good option he does put in a shift.
shame we are not in a better position to offer michah richards a way out for 1st team footy.
all would be forgotten in my eyes if dempsey came back on loan and bagged few for us his shift work alone is worthy of signing him. I would be gutted to see him anywhere else.
hopefully rene can get either anderson/buttner/zaha or as many as he could on loan or anderson permanent maybe.
how much if any at all do you reckon we have available for us.
i do see January window as a huge opportunity to offload riise on a free and berba for a few mill would seriously lighten our wage bill in order to bag few people.
Really do think we missed out big time on huddlestone last window.
Well, I don't know how a Dempsey loan would fare or how he'd get on with the club and fans. But, the one thing that I do know is that the days of zero shots on goal would end.
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No more short-term fixes. This policy has failed. We need to invest in younger players with sell-on potential. Obviously, this would require a greater outlay, but it's more sustainable than building our squad around 30-somethings. Dembele is the perfect example. Bought for 5m at 23 y/o, and sold for double this 2 years later. We should also consider those who are out of favour at their current clubs. Bertrand, Buttner, Naughton, Cork, Rodwell, Anderson, Allen, Long etc. would all improve our squad. We could even dip into the lower divisions or overseas markets. I'm sure that Will Hughes and Tom Ince could make the step up. We have been a Premier League fixture for over 12 seasons and we need to show some ambition to extend our stay.
Agree with every point you make. Kahn needs to realise that sustainability is more than just extra seats and cheap/old players. Southhampton are the best example of a team that wisely invests in youth - Llana, Clyne, Shaw, Rodriguez etc are all examples of names mentioned on this board years and years ago - but we chose ageing 'names instead'...
and the difficulty now is to either sign the good youth that will fight for us (hopefully) and the proven ageing names who could possibly make us do a QParse.
Like I said before, they need to be players who are hungry to prove a point in the PL.
Players with mental strength and resilience.
We've seen in recent years with West Ham and QPR that players reputations and past glories don't mean sh*t.
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Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on December 03, 2013, 02:00:46 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on December 03, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Also is Hugo not a lump we could put up front? Great work ethic, bundles through players and generally puts in a shift.
I think he's going to get a fair run at the starting role when he's healthy (should be soon, no?).
personally think his work ethic is good but he is more of a channel runner like bent or a AJ. (my opinion)
think in these times we could do with a target man like a pog or zamora
The infuriating thing is that Berba can be that. He's got such control and is so strong on the ball. We shouldn't need a target man.
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Quote from: ltd-ffc on December 03, 2013, 01:14:54 PM
bardsley could be a good option he does put in a shift.
shame we are not in a better position to offer michah richards a way out for 1st team footy.
all would be forgotten in my eyes if dempsey came back on loan and bagged few for us his shift work alone is worthy of signing him. I would be gutted to see him anywhere else.
hopefully rene can get either anderson/buttner/zaha or as many as he could on loan or anderson permanent maybe.
how much if any at all do you reckon we have available for us.
i do see January window as a huge opportunity to offload riise on a free and berba for a few mill would seriously lighten our wage bill in order to bag few people.
Really do think we missed out big time on huddlestone last window.
Well, I don't know how a Dempsey loan would fare or how he'd get on with the club and fans. But, the one thing that I do know is that the days of zero shots on goal would end.
Me either but I would forgive if he came back and contributed to our cause and kept us up.
I would put my money on him getting more shots on target in one game than the rest of our team have in our last 5. How many shots is that 6 or 7 tops haha
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Quote from: FFC1987 on December 03, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Also is Hugo not a lump we could put up front? Great work ethic, bundles through players and generally puts in a shift.
I think he's going to get a fair run at the starting role when he's healthy (should be soon, no?).
personally think his work ethic is good but he is more of a channel runner like bent or a AJ. (my opinion)
think in these times we could do with a target man like a pog or zamora
The infuriating thing is that Berba can be that. He's got such control and is so strong on the ball. We shouldn't need a target man.
agreed I just cant understand his attitude at all I can remember he was like it at the arsenal game to some degree so its not just a recent thing 2nd game of the season following a win you would think he would be buzzing.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on December 03, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Also is Hugo not a lump we could put up front? Great work ethic, bundles through players and generally puts in a shift.
I think he's going to get a fair run at the starting role when he's healthy (should be soon, no?).
personally think his work ethic is good but he is more of a channel runner like bent or a AJ. (my opinion)
think in these times we could do with a target man like a pog or zamora
The infuriating thing is that Berba can be that. He's got such control and is so strong on the ball. We shouldn't need a target man.
agreed I just cant understand his attitude at all I can remember he was like it at the arsenal game to some degree so its not just a recent thing 2nd game of the season following a win you would think he would be buzzing.
He wants to be a playmaker now. Even when we line up in 4-2-3-1 we just end up 4-2-4 as Berba just drops in to Ruiz/Taarabt's position. And hes so slow on the ball in his build up that the oppo get bodies back in. I remember a quote a while ago where he said he started off as a 10 and he enjoyed playing there.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on December 03, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Also is Hugo not a lump we could put up front? Great work ethic, bundles through players and generally puts in a shift.
I think he's going to get a fair run at the starting role when he's healthy (should be soon, no?).
personally think his work ethic is good but he is more of a channel runner like bent or a AJ. (my opinion)
think in these times we could do with a target man like a pog or zamora
The infuriating thing is that Berba can be that. He's got such control and is so strong on the ball. We shouldn't need a target man.
agreed I just cant understand his attitude at all I can remember he was like it at the arsenal game to some degree so its not just a recent thing 2nd game of the season following a win you would think he would be buzzing.
He wants to be a playmaker now. Even when we line up in 4-2-3-1 we just end up 4-2-4 as Berba just drops in to Ruiz/Taarabt's position. And hes so slow on the ball in his build up that the oppo get bodies back in. I remember a quote a while ago where he said he started off as a 10 and he enjoyed playing there.
so true he tends to get in a strop if something does not go through him usually leaving bent isolated and being a pointless body up top
Southampton is always being used as the pin up but certain things happened there which currently won't happen here. A lot of those named players plyed there trade in the lower leagues with the club and gained vital experience doing this. I think someone else on here mentioned some had played as many as 100+ competitive games before making the step into the EPL. Now they invested at least 50m in 3 players (Osvaldo,Lourven and Wanyama) and allowed some youths to come through indeed. Saints had a fantasic scouting team picking up some of there players but its a very unique setup in my eyes and hard to try to replicate without getting teh scouting entirely spot on.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on December 03, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Also is Hugo not a lump we could put up front? Great work ethic, bundles through players and generally puts in a shift.
I think he's going to get a fair run at the starting role when he's healthy (should be soon, no?).
personally think his work ethic is good but he is more of a channel runner like bent or a AJ. (my opinion)
think in these times we could do with a target man like a pog or zamora
The infuriating thing is that Berba can be that. He's got such control and is so strong on the ball. We shouldn't need a target man.
Very true. Maybe Rene can get him to do that. Mind unlike a Ctouch style target man he'd need to receive it to feet, he's not a great jumper.
Quote from: FFC1987 on December 03, 2013, 03:19:42 PM
Southampton is always being used as the pin up but certain things happened there which currently won't happen here. A lot of those named players plyed there trade in the lower leagues with the club and gained vital experience doing this. I think someone else on here mentioned some had played as many as 100+ competitive games before making the step into the EPL. Now they invested at least 50m in 3 players (Osvaldo,Lourven and Wanyama) and allowed some youths to come through indeed. Saints had a fantasic scouting team picking up some of there players but its a very unique setup in my eyes and hard to try to replicate without getting teh scouting entirely spot on.
Mostly agree, but Wanyama, Clyne and Rodriguez were all purchases made in the past year from lower league (scot league<EPL) teams, and they've all been fantastic, and were all purchased at <23years old.. Why couldn't we do the same?
Jol wasn't given 50 million to spend-and ffc1987makes valid points ,seem to remember Fulham linked with a few of the players that ended up there.
Fortunately couldn't afford Osvaldo and will be interested to see how their season pans out now their rigid system has been sussed?
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Quote from: FFC1987 on December 03, 2013, 03:19:42 PM
Southampton is always being used as the pin up but certain things happened there which currently won't happen here. A lot of those named players plyed there trade in the lower leagues with the club and gained vital experience doing this. I think someone else on here mentioned some had played as many as 100+ competitive games before making the step into the EPL. Now they invested at least 50m in 3 players (Osvaldo,Lourven and Wanyama) and allowed some youths to come through indeed. Saints had a fantasic scouting team picking up some of there players but its a very unique setup in my eyes and hard to try to replicate without getting teh scouting entirely spot on.
Mostly agree, but Wanyama, Clyne and Rodriguez were all purchases made in the past year from lower league (scot league<EPL) teams, and they've all been fantastic, and were all purchased at <23years old.. Why couldn't we do the same?
Yes, apart from Clyne, they paid a premium for both (which has paid off) but still, its not all youth for Saints, they've spent a significant sum and are reaping the benefits from it. It doesn't always work though. Just ask QPR and some of the fan boys on my twitter who insisted when they signed Granero Mbia etc. they would finish in a europa spot....
Will Hughes, Aurtenexte/Daley Blind, Jordan Rhodes and Dempsey on loan. A man can dream.
Buying Will Hughes (I plug him every window) would be a sure sign of intent.
After reading all the post on who we should buy in January, looks like we are buying a complete 1st X1 which would cost Mr Khan at least £250 mil.
Dream on!
Dunno if there is a thread about this allready but, thought it might be an interesting topic to bring up to see who people would like to be leaving and brought in, in January window?
Realistically I dont think we'll be buying anyone, think its more likely to be loans
Well we need to strengthen at centre back, I think that much is obvious. Given the situation, probably not wise to bring Burn back and throw him in, so we'll have to see who's available. What about a cheeky bid for Vermaelen who doesnt seem to be playing much for Arsenal.
In CM we need someone creative to come in and play alongside Parker (or Boateng). Anderson from Utd has been banded about, but he's very similar to the players we already have. Maybe try Kasami there
We absolutely need a striker. I'd be tempted to grab Pogrebnyak or Zamora for 6 months to give us a different option.
Maybe a wide player like De Bruyne or Zaha
I think the Pog is actually a decent shout. Not the best striker but he worked his socks off, held the ball up okay and generally was a nuisance for the defence. Reading will probably be keen to get rid considering his wages as well. A centre midfielder is a must though, I just have no idea who....
Its a hard question after games like tonight. If you had asked me on the weekend who I would let go of I would have said Senderos, Riise, Berba, Ruiz. The fact is Senderos, Riise and Berba all played great tonight and Ruiz almost scored 5 seconds after coming on. Maybe it was just Martin Jol.
In: Harry Kane, a decent young english prospect who can play up front and will score you goals. Spurs would likely sell him for peanuts; Thomas Ince has is contract expiring this summer, unlikely to be tempetd by us but we could put in a cheeky bid as we need cover on the flanks and he is tricky and pacey; a dominant centre back used to the Premier League,if United and Liverpool are really that into Dembélé could they guve us a Evans or a Skrtel in change (I know this is a load of tripe, realistically I'd go for Gavin Gunning of Blackburn or players I know only through FIFA like Kurt Zouma or Pontus Jansson); Joe Ledley is in his final year too and we could use a player who can score and at the same time cover at least three position between midfield and defence; and finally for the left back position, my shout is Aaron Cresswell from Ipswich.
Out: Riise (still not convinced even after tonight's performance, even if I liked his Misfits hairstyle); hopefully not Berba; Ruiz; Senderos...
I am hoping that Rene has a good relationship with United and we can get a couple of players. They say this Van Persie guy is quite useful
Quote from: St Eve on December 05, 2013, 01:35:16 AM
I am hoping that Rene has a good relationship with United and we can get a couple of players. They say this Van Persie guy is quite useful
yeah that van persie guy is good :) but if possible I hear that , that Ruiz guy in Liverpool is a good goalscorer as well ;) he was awesome last night :O I would like to se a solid defender comming in january, Hangelands injuries worries me a little, but allso a goal scorer is deffinetly needed! But maybe Berbatov will pick up now as he gets the ball more I just dont like hes attitude lately....
another striker, a centre mid that can go forward although i would like kasami as this, a centre back so we have choices, a left back and we would all like another wide man but i personally think that should be one of our last priorities.
we are in a sticky situation at the moment because we would like good players on the underside of 30 or younger but we need people that will instantly have an effect.
for me realistic targets would be:
ST: pavel pogrebnyak
CM: anderson
LB: Cresswell (ipswich)
Winger: Balazs Dzsudzsak (dynamo moscow) Zaha (loan)
other targets if available : Dempsey (loan) bardsley (if on cheap be a real replacement for Baird) Jordan Rhodes gamble?
Apparently Meulensteen is interested in Balazs Dzsudzsak with a price tag of £11m. I know it's the Mirror reporting it, but from the video's I saw on youtube, he looks to be quite a player. A striker we definitely need. He previously played for Anzhi, so I guessing Rene has some connections with him.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/balazs-dzsudzsak-transfer-fulham-join-2881256 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/balazs-dzsudzsak-transfer-fulham-join-2881256)
January sales: Richardson/Senderos/Bent
realistically would be a striker
erm, Jack Cork and any big name signing. Cant see us moving many on in all honesty.
Out: Bent, Berba, Richardson, Ruiz, Taarabt (unless Rene can get them doing what they are paid to do before the January window).
In: RB - Ashley Cole on loan if wages permit,
MF - Matt Ritchie (Bmth) (pace/energy and creative) and
Anderson (ManU) - Rene may hold some sway to make this happen
ST - Ciise (toon) and Ba on loan from Chelsea as we
know that partnership works at prem level and they
understand each other and know where the net is.
Ideal starting line up from 1st feb:
Stek
Reither Hughes Hangers Cole
Dejagah Parker Boateng Anderson
Ciise Ba
Quote from: elgreenio on December 05, 2013, 02:55:31 PM
erm, Jack Cork and any big name signing. Cant see us moving many on in all honesty.
I thought of Cork but struggle to see what he would actually add to our midfield to be honest. Lovely tidy little player but I'm not sure he would add significantly to say the creative passing role. If I had any player, i'd gamble on Will Hughes for the creativity in the middle. Haven't seen him as much the last month but when I did in August/September and last season (and u21's bench appearances) he has a lovely range of passing, happily takes on a player and nips at peoples ankles never giving up. Probably out of our price range though sadly.
In the summer I wanted us to go all out for Liam Bridcutt from Brighton, who should be in the PL. He could do a job in our new system as he's incredibly creative from deep in midfield, but not so sure that's the most pressing at the moment.
Also from Brighton, Leo Ulloa who could be the spearhead of the attack we need. Gritty striker, too, good leap and a great finisher.
How realistically they are I'm not sure, but Ulloa in particular would be costly I'd imagine.
As many Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians as possible. There isn't a single one that won't put up a good fight (with the exception of Dejan Stevanovic when he was with us)
Another annual rumour revived.
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/football-transfer-window/36903-fulham-to-target-lyon-star.php#.UqED91q4bIU (http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/football-transfer-window/36903-fulham-to-target-lyon-star.php#.UqED91q4bIU)
Quote from: the nutflush on December 05, 2013, 10:54:28 PM
Another annual rumour revived.
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/football-transfer-window/36903-fulham-to-target-lyon-star.php#.UqED91q4bIU (http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/football-transfer-window/36903-fulham-to-target-lyon-star.php#.UqED91q4bIU)
Now that I've seen that, the David Bentley rumors must be next.
It's clear we need additions but I'd like to see what the players can do under Rene before deciding who we need to sign.
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 06, 2013, 12:51:53 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 05, 2013, 10:54:28 PM
Another annual rumour revived.
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/football-transfer-window/36903-fulham-to-target-lyon-star.php#.UqED91q4bIU (http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/football-transfer-window/36903-fulham-to-target-lyon-star.php#.UqED91q4bIU)
Now that I've seen that, the David Bentley rumors must be next.
With Paul Scharner coming up fast behind that
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on December 06, 2013, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 06, 2013, 12:51:53 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 05, 2013, 10:54:28 PM
Another annual rumour revived.
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/football-transfer-window/36903-fulham-to-target-lyon-star.php#.UqED91q4bIU (http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/football-transfer-window/36903-fulham-to-target-lyon-star.php#.UqED91q4bIU)
Now that I've seen that, the David Bentley rumors must be next.
With Paul Scharner coming up fast behind that
And Jason Koumas, of course.
We need a striker. Gomis would be a good one. Or Hernandez at Utd, he never gets game time there.
A Central Midfielder, Centre Back and LB are also necessary.
Quote from: Northern Cottager on December 06, 2013, 11:10:07 AM
We need a striker. Gomis would be a good one. Or Hernandez at Utd, he never gets game time there.
A Central Midfielder, Centre Back and LB are also necessary.
Agreed, those 4 positions should do it.
Gaby @DjGabyG 42m
Balázs Dzsudzsák is very close to becoming a Fulham player. Just a few formalities to be sorted out.
（apologies if already posted）
I would like these players moved on in January
Richardson
Briggs (loan)
Sidwell
Duff
I think the players who will move on will be
Riise
Berbatov
Senderos
I think that those who leave in Jan will very largely be determined by who comes in. After all, we can't afford to deplete the squad without replacements of at least equivalent quality. Taking into account the disruption of a bedding-in period, all signings need to be serious improvements and we all know in which positions. This particularly applies to Riise, Senderos, Duff and Berba, all of whom Rene played in his first game. Maybe Berba will leave but I doubt if the others will.
That said, I do think that the summer will see a lot of changes even if we stay up (which I expect us to) and many more if we don't.
Quote from: mikeyffc28 on December 05, 2013, 03:06:24 PM
Out: Bent, Berba, Richardson, Ruiz, Taarabt (unless Rene can get them doing what they are paid to do before the January window).
In: RB - Ashley Cole on loan if wages permit,
MF - Matt Ritchie (Bmth) (pace/energy and creative) and
Anderson (ManU) - Rene may hold some sway to make this happen
ST - Ciise (toon) and Ba on loan from Chelsea as we
know that partnership works at prem level and they
understand each other and know where the net is.
Ideal starting line up from 1st feb:
Stek
Reither Hughes Hangers Cole
Dejagah Parker Boateng Anderson
Ciise Ba
why would ciise come to us ?
let alone ashley cole?
ba on loan has the most chance but very unlikely
The thread is who would you like to see in Jan: that is who I would like to see come in to strengthen the squad. I feel they are not entirely unrealistic options depending how much Khan is prepared to put into the pot.
Ciise - not scoring at toon, chance to link up with Ba if he came aswell.
Cole - wrong side of 30 (right side for us!) chance to get guaranteed 1st team games and wouldnt need to relocate.
Who would have thought we would attract someone of Berbatov's calibre....
Quote from: mikeyffc28 on December 06, 2013, 02:09:14 PM
The thread is who would you like to see in Jan: that is who I would like to see come in to strengthen the squad. I feel they are not entirely unrealistic options depending how much Khan is prepared to put into the pot.
Ciise - not scoring at toon, chance to link up with Ba if he came aswell.
Cole - wrong side of 30 (right side for us!) chance to get guaranteed 1st team games and wouldnt need to relocate.
Who would have thought we would attract someone of Berbatov's calibre....
in that case i would like dzeko, mata & ben arfa
i hope that we can get a nice strike force with Pogrebnyak, and hopefully acquire another left back in case of injury. also, a Center Mid would be fantastic, so a lot of hope to acquire these guys. any suggestions, please tell me
also agree with the richardson move, he's totally in shambles and a couple of the west ham goals were his fault, and his performance is unacceptable.
Berbatov had a great game against tottenham, and is still a good emergency striker. but Kasami is also a good striker, so maybe sell him, but will look at his performance, Mulensteen seems to be getting more out of him now, so maybe keep him. Maybe.
Quote from: crazycottager on December 06, 2013, 04:07:19 PM
Berbatov had a great game against tottenham, and is still a good emergency striker. but Kasami is also a good striker, so maybe sell him, but will look at his performance, Mulensteen seems to be getting more out of him now, so maybe keep him. Maybe.
Kasami a good striker?
I think Kas considers himself a CM..
Aiden McGeady has been frozen out of Spartak Moscow's team (no pun intended). He told the manager he wanted to leave and go back to England. We can pick him up for starters!
John Heitinga seems to be verging on leaving Everton. He can play as a centre half but also as a right back or a holding midfielder. Not always pretty to watch but he could certainly add some steel to a defence that is currently lacking.
And finally, Jordy Clasie. The Dutch Iniesta. He needs to move to one of Europe's major leagues sooner rather than later - and believe me, he will - so I hope Rene's Coerver connections can help us pick him up.
Quote from: simplyfulham on December 06, 2013, 07:25:07 PM
Aiden McGeady has been frozen out of Spartak Moscow's team (no pun intended). He told the manager he wanted to leave and go back to England. We can pick him up for starters!
John Heitinga seems to be verging on leaving Everton. He can play as a centre half but also as a right back or a holding midfielder. Not always pretty to watch but he could certainly add some steel to a defence that is currently lacking.
And finally, Jordy Clasie. The Dutch Iniesta. He needs to move to one of Europe's major leagues sooner rather than later - and believe me, he will - so I hope Rene's Coerver connections can help us pick him up.
Everton fans don't rate Heitinga at all. Not sure about him. Seems quite rash and we already have plenty of rash players.
Heitinga or McGeady?? No thanks. Our priority is a left back and Play maker in midfield.
Jornade Meade (21) at Swansea, was at Arsenal last year looks very composed on the ball, loves to get forward, s hit off a shovel and can also defend.
Georginio Wijnaldum or Alan Dzagoev both superb young play making midfielders, playing and scoring regularly for their teams, PSV and CSKA Moscow respectively and both early twenties. Although Dzagoev is attracting lots of attention at the moment from some big clubs, but you never know.
Then give Dembele some game time here and there, and he'll be like a new signing for us too.
Quote from: Furby on December 06, 2013, 08:44:38 PM
Heitinga or McGeady?? No thanks. Our priority is a left back and Play maker in midfield.
Jornade Meade (21) at Swansea, was at Arsenal last year looks very composed on the ball, loves to get forward, s hit off a shovel and can also defend.
Georginio Wijnaldum or Alan Dzagoev both superb young play making midfielders, playing and scoring regularly for their teams, PSV and CSKA Moscow respectively and both early twenties. Although Dzagoev is attracting lots of attention at the moment from some big clubs, but you never know.
Then give Dembele some game time here and there, and he'll be like a new signing for us too.
Dzagoev, if only eh?
To be honest, I don't really know who is realistic in our situation, but it's certainly easier to rule out unrealistic ones. Such as Dzagoev :(
Quote from: The Moose on December 06, 2013, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on December 06, 2013, 07:25:07 PM
Aiden McGeady has been frozen out of Spartak Moscow's team (no pun intended). He told the manager he wanted to leave and go back to England. We can pick him up for starters!
John Heitinga seems to be verging on leaving Everton. He can play as a centre half but also as a right back or a holding midfielder. Not always pretty to watch but he could certainly add some steel to a defence that is currently lacking.
And finally, Jordy Clasie. The Dutch Iniesta. He needs to move to one of Europe's major leagues sooner rather than later - and believe me, he will - so I hope Rene's Coerver connections can help us pick him up.
Everton fans don't rate Heitinga at all. Not sure about him. Seems quite rash and we already have plenty of rash players.
Heitinga is a bit of a thug
Quote from: EJL on December 06, 2013, 06:59:49 PM
Quote from: crazycottager on December 06, 2013, 04:07:19 PM
Berbatov had a great game against tottenham, and is still a good emergency striker. but Kasami is also a good striker, so maybe sell him, but will look at his performance, Mulensteen seems to be getting more out of him now, so maybe keep him. Maybe.
Kasami a good striker?
Absolutely, thanks, forgot about that point. but i envision him as a CM who supports and joins the attack, alternating striker roles with the others.
Quote from: simplyfulham on December 06, 2013, 07:25:07 PM
Aiden McGeady has been frozen out of Spartak Moscow's team (no pun intended). He told the manager he wanted to leave and go back to England. We can pick him up for starters!
John Heitinga seems to be verging on leaving Everton. He can play as a centre half but also as a right back or a holding midfielder. Not always pretty to watch but he could certainly add some steel to a defence that is currently lacking.
And finally, Jordy Clasie. The Dutch Iniesta. He needs to move to one of Europe's major leagues sooner rather than later - and believe me, he will - so I hope Rene's Coerver connections can help us pick him up.
McGeady isn't required right now, we need to shore up Left Back and forward postions, we can't squat with Bent right now, he isn't delivering yet. also, Hetinga isn't a good fit, and doesn't act rationally at times. Haven't seen Clasie in action, so i will hold off my judgement for him until i see him
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Berbatov had a great game against tottenham, and is still a good emergency striker. but Kasami is also a good striker, so maybe sell him, but will look at his performance, Mulensteen seems to be getting more out of him now, so maybe keep him. Maybe.
Kasami a good striker?
Absolutely, thanks, forgot about that point. but i envision him as a CM who supports and joins the attack, alternating striker roles with the others.
i retract my previous statement, but had some good games recently, so maybe be careful with him. I live in Canada, so watching games can be problematic, with starts at 1 AM, and midnight. but my opinion is the same: keep Kasami, he is developing into a good player, so don't 'Pull a Jol' so to speak and sell him as we did with Frei, he may deliver.
Just watching United lose to the Toon; Anderson & Zaha have just come on.
Really think that Anderson could be the player to sort out our creative problems, and Zaha looks very talented, but a little short on minutes. The pace, creativity and attacking drive would really help us get some much-needed goals. Both players could certainly add a lot to our squad; seriously hope Rene pulls some strings and buys Anderson and loans Zaha in jan.
Anderson in January to Fulham could be a very wise move, but it could be possible he gets more playing time now and harder to get him to Fulham?
Kinda feel sorry for Moyes these days, I like watching United being lower after Ferguson left, but Moyes is getting a hard time by both Newcastle and United fans now, Newcastle fans shouting out loud, Sacked in the morning. Dont think he deserves it though, or is it only me feeling this way?
Quote from: K33NY on December 07, 2013, 02:25:48 PM
Anderson in January to Fulham could be a very wise move, but it could be possible he gets more playing time now and harder to get him to Fulham?
Kinda feel sorry for Moyes these days, I like watching United being lower after Ferguson left, but Moyes is getting a hard time by both Newcastle and United fans now, Newcastle fans shouting out loud, Sacked in the morning. Dont think he deserves it though, or is it only me feeling this way?
Agreed. United fans have been spoilt by decades of Ferguson. It'll take time for Moyes to make his stamp. The game has changed since Fergie started; as many have noted, Ferguson's first season would probably have got him sacked these days - no patience.
But, as a fan who supports the FFC decision to sack Jol, I know first-hand the disappointment arising from poor results and an under-performing squad..
I could see Moyes being sacked before the end of the season..
Fergie was always going to be a hard act to follow.
Moyes has this season as transition, and he should be given time for that.
I suspect that if they don't qualify for the Champions League though he may be toast. Their financial model is predicated on Champions League footie, and failure to qualify will leave a sizeable financial hole. And their fans are used to success, so anything outside of the top 4 will be seen as a failure.
Yeah I agree to that failing to finnish top 4 will be seen as a failure. But as Fergie said to theire fans, your job now is to give your new manager time. Fergie needed 4 years for hes first trophy, and me to feel that a manager should be given more time than whats usual these days, look at Rodgers in Liverpool, he proved many fans wrong and is doing great there. But I think its a bit harsh from the fans to demand Moyes to be fired now, I hear so many saying he should be sacked.
Some managers with time can do it, some cant. But not even half-way into season and demand it is... cold
Hmm whats the chances for Liverpool wanting to exhange Suarez for Berbatov? :P
We need a lot of help. other squads have improved a lot. Look at Southampton, look at Swansea, look at Newcastle. Lot of talent, and a lot of foreign domestic. We need to start some youngsters and do some signings from abroad. Defenders and midfielders. Very very needed, particularly defenders.
Duff out.
Richardson out.
Callum McManaman in.
Bertrand in.
Not a fan of mid season loans but the thought of Ashley Young or Anderson would be too good to resist.
Then Bent could be sent back.
Quote from: Julius Geezer on December 08, 2013, 12:43:31 AM
Duff out.
Richardson out.
Callum McManaman in.
Bertrand in.
Not a fan of mid season loans but the thought of Ashley Young or Anderson would be too good to resist.
Then Bent could be sent back.
Yes swap a striker for a midfielder, because that clearly makes sense.
Get rid of Bent, he needs a striking partner and our midfield is too weak to deal with 2 strikers contributing nothing defensively. Get in Long who can play up front on his own. Also someone else if Berba leaves.
McManaman has been awful for Wigan so far this season. Plus he's 22, so he can no longer be excused for being a prospect. We already have one of those players -- a better, and more promising, one at that -- in Kacaniklic.
I would only add in January. If anything, a younger karagounis and another Kasami would do
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Quote from: The Moose on December 08, 2013, 02:24:18 AM
Quote from: Julius Geezer on December 08, 2013, 12:43:31 AM
Duff out.
Richardson out.
Callum McManaman in.
Bertrand in.
Not a fan of mid season loans but the thought of Ashley Young or Anderson would be too good to resist.
Then Bent could be sent back.
Yes swap a striker for a midfielder, because that clearly makes sense.
Yes it does.
Ashley Young would score more goals than Bent, contribute much more to the team and suit the style of play Rene uses.
Quote from: EJL on December 08, 2013, 03:16:28 AM
McManaman has been awful for Wigan so far this season. Plus he's 22, so he can no longer be excused for being a prospect. We already have one of those players -- a better, and more promising, one at that -- in Kacaniklic.
Whereas Kaca's been in lightning form hasn't he?
Leave off, the Spurs game was his first decent performance all season.
Wigan are a poor side with no direction. McManaman has not had the right nurturing there.
Look at McCarthy. If Everton hadn't bought him, the same could be said about him.
McManaman ran the FA Cup final against Man City. He's another wide man we could do with, he's quality.
Apart from Dejagah and Kacaniklic, what other good wide men do we have?
Quote from: Julius Geezer on December 08, 2013, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: EJL on December 08, 2013, 03:16:28 AM
McManaman has been awful for Wigan so far this season. Plus he's 22, so he can no longer be excused for being a prospect. We already have one of those players -- a better, and more promising, one at that -- in Kacaniklic.
Whereas Kaca's been in lightning form hasn't he?
Leave off, the Spurs game was his first decent performance all season.
Wigan are a poor side with no direction. McManaman has not had the right nurturing there.
Look at McCarthy. If Everton hadn't bought him, the same could be said about him.
McManaman ran the FA Cup final against Man City. He's another wide man we could do with, he's quality.
Apart from Dejagah and Kacaniklic, what other good wide men do we have?
The difference being, Kaca has also been playing well for his country. He should have been in the side a long time ago.
Thanks Callum but no thanks..
By the looks of it, Ruiz is not a first choice. It remains to be seen what happens if someone gets injured. Talent. Would like to keep him if possible
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Quote from: Julius Geezer on December 08, 2013, 09:48:41 AM
Quote from: The Moose on December 08, 2013, 02:24:18 AM
Quote from: Julius Geezer on December 08, 2013, 12:43:31 AM
Duff out.
Richardson out.
Callum McManaman in.
Bertrand in.
Not a fan of mid season loans but the thought of Ashley Young or Anderson would be too good to resist.
Then Bent could be sent back.
Yes swap a striker for a midfielder, because that clearly makes sense.
Yes it does.
Ashley Young would score more goals than Bent, contribute much more to the team and suit the style of play Rene uses.
That would leave us with just Rodallega as back up. Personally, I can't stand Young he's a cheat.
Quote from: The Moose on December 08, 2013, 03:57:23 PM
Quote from: Julius Geezer on December 08, 2013, 09:48:41 AM
Quote from: The Moose on December 08, 2013, 02:24:18 AM
Quote from: Julius Geezer on December 08, 2013, 12:43:31 AM
Duff out.
Richardson out.
Callum McManaman in.
Bertrand in.
Not a fan of mid season loans but the thought of Ashley Young or Anderson would be too good to resist.
Then Bent could be sent back.
Yes swap a striker for a midfielder, because that clearly makes sense.
Yes it does.
Ashley Young would score more goals than Bent, contribute much more to the team and suit the style of play Rene uses.
That would leave us with just Rodallega as back up. Personally, I can't stand Young he's a cheat.
I can't even stand him and he's on my team.
Also, besides the cheating... He keeps his head down too much. Shoots when should pass, passes when should shoot.
Besides, that's the end of Kaca. You don't need him. Trust me
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Edin Dzeko please
I really do not see what Duff offers the team anymore, would think his time is up.
Yoann Gourcuff
if we continue the 433 type formation we played today i would like to see us bring another cm in in january, someone creative like will hughes, i would also like anderson
A young centre mid, a young striker, and perhaps another centre back.
McManaman has had trouble getting time at Wigan. Injury is not the issue since he has been healthy since August so I would steer away from him. Maybe Gomis from Lyon would be interesting. He is out of contract in June and they don't want him. West Ham and Palace are supposedly tracking him.
Quote from: Berbasilk_111 on December 08, 2013, 05:37:51 PM
I really do not see what Duff offers the team anymore, would think his time is up.
There is no point in getting rid of Duff. If I remember correctly, Duff said Fulham would be the last team he plays for, so I don't see why he can't finish the remaining time he has with the club. He has been a great player for Fulham and it seems he really cares for the club.
All depends on who stays and who leaves in January. As good as Karagounis was I think we need someone else to play in his position - the most advanced one in a midfield three who can tackle and pass too. Apart from that we need a striker and maybe another pacey player who can play wide left. As good as Kaca is I don't have all that much faith in him to give us consistent performances week in - week out. I like Dejagah on the other side but wish he would learn to cross.
We could do a lot worse than keep Duff on for the remainder of his contract. As I've said before, he's great for closing out games.
We need a CB, central creative midfielder and another striker.
Possibly also a left back, but if Riise can play at the level he has last two games, then we can muddle through with him, Richardson and Briggs.
