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Danny Murphy says Fulham have taken a huge gamble by putting Rene Meulensteen in charge.
The former Manchester United coach has been handed the managerial reins at Craven Cottage after Martin Jol was axed on Sunday.
Murphy was not surprised by Jol's departure, but admits he is unsure if Meulensteen is the right man to take control of his former club.
Speaking on the Colin Murray show, he said: "The way they are playing at the moment, they are looking in real trouble. I just hope he has the capability because it doesn't matter how good a coach you are, when you have to manage players it is a different ball game."There are plenty of candidates out there with more experience than him, so I'm not sure. He will have learnt a lot from Sir Alex Ferguson, how can you not? But you are talking about dealing with different players. "You're not talking about training with some of the best players in Europe day in, day out. You're talking about trying to motivate players that aren't playing so well. It's a different job."
Jol was shown the door after a run of five straight defeats, which has seen the Cottagers plummet to 18th in the Premier League.
And Murphy believes the Dutchman was let down by certain members of his squad."Last year you saw signs that it wasn't quite right, and losing games just becomes a habit," said Murphy.
"The squad has not got the right balance. There's talk obviously of [Dimitar] Berbatov and the lack of commitment and effort he has shown and I think that has transferred sometimes to the other players."I know from certain friends I have got there that they have become frustrated at the fact that certain players stay in the team no matter what."It's not just Dimitar, but there is maybe too many players in that side who don't put a shift in. You can only have one, maybe two."Last year it was Berbatov producing the goals that kept them up and the rest of the team worked for him, whereas this season I think there have been three of four who haven't contributed and pulled their weight."
Well, we can now scratch Murph's name from the list of possible assistant managers or coaches to be offered a spot at FFC... Rene will fall on his sword before he lets him in the dugout now.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on December 02, 2013, 01:33:34 PM
Well, we can now scratch Murph's name from the list of possible assistant managers or coaches to be offered a spot at FFC... Rene will fall on his sword before he lets him in the dugout now.
Perhaps not. Could be that Rene will recognize that Smurph has the ear of the players, and the club at heart, and will sway one hell of a lot of fans. He could do a lot worse than to ask Danny to come back to the club, and I think Danny would be a fool not take up any such offer.
I haven't read this messageboard since the end of last season let alone posted but now that he's gone I am finally feeling a bit of optimism (although not much it has to be said).
Interesting comments from Murphy, for me the most telling part is:
"I know from certain friends I have got there that they have become frustrated at the fact that certain players stay in the team no matter what. "It's not just Dimitar, but there is maybe too many players in that side who don't put a shift in. You can only have one, maybe two."
Jol clearly lost the dressing room with his love-in for Berbatov and Ruiz. I just hope Rene can foster some semblance of team spirit in the next few weeks as otherwise I still think we're doomed.
But does Murph really need the hassle?
It would be great if he did, because as Logicalman says he has the ear of the players and his link with the club is beyond doubt.
A lot of players need to be made very upset with some very plain speaking if they want to stay and help the cause out of the mess that all round negligence has created. Murph's example puts him in a good position for that role.
We've just promoted a career head coach (with a failed managerial stint) to manager in the most high profile league in the world. I don't believe that the way to instill confidence in him from his players is to bring in an assistant who has more clout with them than the manager does. Rene needs to be the unquestioned head of that house. Murph's presence alone would undermine that.
Maybe next season, if Rene sticks.
Murphy talking alot of sense about rene appointment. And as regards problems in the team i am sure he is speaking the truth, if i was berbs teamate he would frustrate me too.
Rene or the club have now appointed another coach and Kit has been given extra duties. So it looks as if Rene will be given the chance to show what he can do. Murphy is right but then it was a bigger gamble leaving things as they were.
Come January we really will know what the clubs plans are. Players are bound to leave and we will see what type of quality we can bring in. Rene is half the story but the club really need to back him this January.
Does Danny really have 'the ear of the players'? Of the squad here when he left Fulham, only these remain -
Hughes, Hangeland, Riise, Duff, Stockdale, Senderos, Briggs, Kasami
Its a good start though if he can have an impact on those then the positivity should spread to the rest of the team.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 02, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
Does Danny really have 'the ear of the players'? Of the squad here when he left Fulham, only these remain -
Hughes, Hangeland, Riise, Duff, Stockdale, Senderos, Briggs, Kasami
Well that's 16 ears, how many more do you want?
The more ears the better I say, you can never have enough ears
'ear 'ear!
'ere today and gone tomorrow ....ask Boa
I am firmly in the Pro Danny Murphy to come back and save us camp. :Haynes The Maestro:
Quote from: epsomraver on December 02, 2013, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 02, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
Does Danny really have 'the ear of the players'? Of the squad here when he left Fulham, only these remain -
Hughes, Hangeland, Riise, Duff, Stockdale, Senderos, Briggs, Kasami
Well that's 16 ears, how many more do you want?
Ear we go, ear we go, ear we go.....
Quote from: Berserker on December 02, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
The more ears the better I say, you can never have enough ears
Well, the mess that Jol
left 'ere :022:, then having Murph
right 'ere :dft001: would do us a lot of good ...
Quote from: Artful Dodger on December 02, 2013, 09:21:06 PM
I am firmly in the Pro Danny Murphy to come back and save us camp. :Haynes The Maestro:
Murph could set himself up for a big coaching/management career if he came back to help Rene and we stayed up. Rene could do worse than sit down with him and at least pick his brain. He could go one better and invite him to work alongside him. One thing it would do is unite all us supporters behind them and the team.
Murphy just publicly questioned Rene's qualifications for the manager job. Therefore, I think it's a stretch to suggest Rene would take him anyway, for any reason. Salient portion:
"...but admits he is unsure if Meulensteen is the right man to take control of his former club.
Speaking on the Colin Murray show, he said: "The way they are playing at the moment, they are looking in real trouble. I just hope he has the capability because it doesn't matter how good a coach you are, when you have to manage players it is a different ball game."There are plenty of candidates out there with more experience than him, so I'm not sure. He will have learnt a lot from Sir Alex Ferguson, how can you not? But you are talking about dealing with different players. "You're not talking about training with some of the best players in Europe day in, day out. You're talking about trying to motivate players that aren't playing so well. It's a different job."
Danny spoke his mind
Rene was the one who convinced sir Alex not to include Berbatov in the group for the Champions League final, in the best year Berbatov had with United. After only two games next to Jol and Berba was dropped. Now maybe Jol was going to do that himself already, but to me it means he just doesn't like his kind of players
Which in turn makes me think he'll put the runners and get the players put more effort and desire. Not that Berbatov can't do his part, but I think he'll only get one chance or two and be replaced by someone like Rodallega. Who in fact I like and I think was treated unfairly
All in all, I'd gamble with Rene. There's always time till January...
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I understand what you're writing, Count. As to Hugo, I've quietly watched him since he arrived at Fulham, and I just don't see a compelling end product. He runs around a lot. He's active. But finishers have to finish. Perhaps his lack of production has been caused by a manager-imposed system or style in which he struggles. Maybe that's it. Maybe. Some managers can take a player with promise who has been languishing somewhat, like an Aaron Ramsey, and by rearranging the deck chairs, and providing positive reinforcement, encouragement, and productive training sessions, turn him into a consistent goal scoring threat. OK, Rene, here's your chance.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on December 03, 2013, 05:45:14 AM
I understand what you're writing, Count. As to Hugo, I've quietly watched him since he arrived at Fulham, and I just don't see a compelling end product. He runs around a lot. He's active. But finishers have to finish. Perhaps his lack of production has been caused by a manager-imposed system or style in which he struggles. Maybe that's it. Maybe. Some managers can take a player with promise who has been languishing somewhat, like an Aaron Ramsey, and by rearranging the deck chairs, and providing positive reinforcement, encouragement, and productive training sessions, turn him into a consistent goal scoring threat. OK, Rene, here's your chance.
Rodallega does miss chances. And he runs a lot. My point was Rene would like that. At wigan I liked Hugo. Here... Not sure what's wrong but maybe he can still come out good.
He was also a good foil for a more skilful player like Berbatov. Or Ruiz...
But those two are goners right. So it's a guess and a gamble. Like the appointment of Rene itself
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Why are they goners. I feel Ruiz and Berbie will do better under Rene.
Quote from: Berserker on December 03, 2013, 07:23:17 AM
Why are they goners. I feel Ruiz and Berbie will do better under Rene.
Seems like everyone wants them out
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Quote from: Count Berbatov on December 03, 2013, 07:37:03 AM
Quote from: Berserker on December 03, 2013, 07:23:17 AM
Why are they goners. I feel Ruiz and Berbie will do better under Rene.
Seems like everyone wants them out
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Not everybody. Berbie needs to get his Mojo back and Ruiz played in his most suitable position. Both possible under Rene
Is that the choice we have? Berba and Ruiz , loads of skill but not enough application (allegedly) - or Hugo, loads of application, but not enough skill.
Hopefully the new coaching staff will be able to get the best out of all three, and get them to fulfil their potential in a white shirt.
Both Berba and Ruiz can, and have, play a lot better than they have done recently for the team. Ruiz's confidence seems shot, and Berba has given up, everyone says- while Hugo has shown what he can do in flashes - but at least he has a hard working attitude, and that must be worth something to us at the moment.
We also have Bent up front of course, and i think he can achieve far more at Fulham than he has so far , if the team is set up right for him.
"I know from certain friends I have got there that they have become frustrated at the fact that certain players stay in the team no matter what. It's not just Dimitar, but there is maybe too many players in that side who don't put a shift in."
I'm not sure how many others feel the same, but I think Danny has no place to talk about what he knows from his mates inside the club. Typical case of s*** stirring, and I'd imagine a few of the players will be annoyed to know that some have gone crying to Murphy.
Could cause problems with future team working. Surprised Danny came out with this as some of his friends might have spoken to him confidentially
Danny needs to hush now .........................
Quote from: KCat on December 03, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
Danny needs to hush now .........................
When it boils down to it he is only saying what most of us on here have been saying for months. I can sum it up in three words. Too many passengers.
I don't think it matters what people say except to give us something to talk about.
We all know how bad things have been so why shouldn't Murphy, who does media work, give an honest opinion. Better that than bland generalisations and it's fairly certain that he wishes us well.
Muelensteen, I assume, will be seeking to find out ASAP which players are up for a fight. I suspect that, properly handled, guys like Bent, Berbatov and Ruiz might be; partly out of professional pride and because this might be their last chance. What we do know is that they have the ability.
The next few weeks are going to be interesting but I don't expect results to turn round instantly.
Quote from: the nutflush on December 03, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: KCat on December 03, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
Danny needs to hush now .........................
When it boils down to it he is only saying what most of us on here have been saying for months. I can sum it up in three words. Too many passengers.
Exactly, so why did he mention his mates inside the club? If it's such a well-explored and simple message, then why does he need to stir it up?
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 03, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: KCat on December 03, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
Danny needs to hush now .........................
When it boils down to it he is only saying what most of us on here have been saying for months. I can sum it up in three words. Too many passengers.
Exactly, so why did he mention his mates inside the club? If it's such a well-explored and simple message, then why does he need to stir it up?
Too right EJL :54: As the Scouser says : Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxactly !!!!!
Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 02, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
Does Danny really have 'the ear of the players'? Of the squad here when he left Fulham, only these remain -
Hughes, Hangeland, Riise, Duff, Stockdale, Senderos, Briggs, Kasami
2 Reasons. Firstly those players that do remain will be firmly on his side, and can sway any naysayers, and secondly, and more important, Danny was a players player. He has a lot of respect in the football world, and was renowned to be the heart of the Fulham team during Roys glory years, leading by example.
Those two reasons would assure he garners all the respect he needs, and enable the players, of all levels, to talk, and listen to him.
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 11:49:18 AM
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Quote from: KCat on December 03, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
Danny needs to hush now .........................
When it boils down to it he is only saying what most of us on here have been saying for months. I can sum it up in three words. Too many passengers.
Exactly, so why did he mention his mates inside the club? If it's such a well-explored and simple message, then why does he need to stir it up?
Possibly to add credence to his message?
Quote from: Logicalman on December 03, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 03, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: KCat on December 03, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
Danny needs to hush now .........................
When it boils down to it he is only saying what most of us on here have been saying for months. I can sum it up in three words. Too many passengers.
Exactly, so why did he mention his mates inside the club? If it's such a well-explored and simple message, then why does he need to stir it up?
Possibly to add credence to his message?
IMO, Danny should have done his talkin, last week, last month, even last season
as he didn't he should now be quiet.
Let the new team get on with it
Quote from: KCat on December 03, 2013, 12:48:03 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 03, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 03, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: KCat on December 03, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
Danny needs to hush now .........................
When it boils down to it he is only saying what most of us on here have been saying for months. I can sum it up in three words. Too many passengers.
Exactly, so why did he mention his mates inside the club? If it's such a well-explored and simple message, then why does he need to stir it up?
Possibly to add credence to his message?
IMO, Danny should have done his talkin, last week, last month, even last season
as he didn't he should now be quiet.
Let the new team get on with it
Perhaps so, or perhaps he sees an opportunity to move his coaching career forwards now his playing days are behind him.
Quote from: KCat on December 03, 2013, 12:48:03 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 03, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on December 03, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: KCat on December 03, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
Danny needs to hush now .........................
When it boils down to it he is only saying what most of us on here have been saying for months. I can sum it up in three words. Too many passengers.
Exactly, so why did he mention his mates inside the club? If it's such a well-explored and simple message, then why does he need to stir it up?
Possibly to add credence to his message?
IMO, Danny should have done his talkin, last week, last month, even last season
as he didn't he should now be quiet.
Let the new team get on with it
I think the fact that he's chosen to say what he said at this point in time shows that his immediate future is being a pundit. He'll be asked back to guest on radio and TV shows, certainly over the next few weeks as Rene 'beds in'. Don't forget that Alan Hansen gets about £30k per appearance on MOTD, so perhaps Danny could get a third of that.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to DM back at the club in some capacity in future if he wants to and we need him, but it won't be for some time.
Another thing - I hope Rene's style of man management isn't learned from Alex Ferguson - the old hairdryer treatment.
I believe Danny feels free to talk because he already knows that there's no chance at the moment that he's being considered for Fulham.
I believe he'd be a good fit for us in some coaching capacity in the future, but now is absolutely the wrong time. His stature within the club and with those players remaining from his playing days would only serve to undermine Rene's authority, just as the timing of Rene's hire undermined what little authority Jol might have been clutching to.
Rene has already stated what a huge task this is - stepping into the managerial role in the PL. He needs subordinates who are in lock step with him and, I believe, Murph would be a bit of a wild card in his staff. Too much risk to take right now.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 02, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
Does Danny really have 'the ear of the players'? Of the squad here when he left Fulham, only these remain -
Hughes, Hangeland, Riise, Duff, Stockdale, Senderos, Briggs, Kasami
Ruiz, Sidwell, Kacaniklic and Etheridge as well, pretty significant chunk of the side
Quote from: EJL on December 03, 2013, 11:00:28 AM
"I know from certain friends I have got there that they have become frustrated at the fact that certain players stay in the team no matter what. It's not just Dimitar, but there is maybe too many players in that side who don't put a shift in."
I'm not sure how many others feel the same, but I think Danny has no place to talk about what he knows from his mates inside the club. Typical case of s*** stirring, and I'd imagine a few of the players will be annoyed to know that some have gone crying to Murphy.
I won't pretend I know what kind of person Danny is, but he doesn't come across well with that interview. He's got no business telling the press about possible problems within the team. Whether true or not, the situation is stressful enough to all as it is
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Agree
:plus one:
Reading between the lines, I suspect he has been fed that by JAR.
Quote from: Holders on December 04, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Reading between the lines, I suspect he has been fed that by JAR.
Sounds like a good guess.
It's interesting that Murphy said the fans love Riise. Do we? I certainly don't.
Quote from: EJL on December 04, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Holders on December 04, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Reading between the lines, I suspect he has been fed that by JAR.
Sounds like a good guess.
It's interesting that Murphy said the fans love Riise. Do we? I certainly don't.
He may be past his best by now but at least he bloody well tries
Quote from: alfie on December 04, 2013, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: EJL on December 04, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Holders on December 04, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Reading between the lines, I suspect he has been fed that by JAR.
Sounds like a good guess.
It's interesting that Murphy said the fans love Riise. Do we? I certainly don't.
He may be past his best by now but at least he bloody well tries
I think that's what Murph means by his comments about Jol's favourites getting picked regardless.
Danny talking a lot of sense does not surprise me at all. He should never have left. Hope he is back one day involved in team affairs.
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Quote from: EJL on December 04, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Holders on December 04, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Reading between the lines, I suspect he has been fed that by JAR.
Sounds like a good guess.
It's interesting that Murphy said the fans love Riise. Do we? I certainly don't.
I love him in rather the same way I love a dose of dysentery.
