incredible given what they allowed him to spend, just proves more than ever its a results business
I feel for the bloke.
He's managed the two worst teams in the league to manage. The most hands-on, impatient chairmen.
Well done Levy. Can't help himself but bring in any player he likes the look of then blames the manager when he can't make a team out of them.
Quote from: westcliff white on December 16, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
incredible given what they allowed him to spend, just proves more than ever its a results business
Since when has it been anything but?
Would LOVE for them to bring Jol back to manage them. Their idiot fans who always sing his name should be careful what they wish for.
Yesterdays post match press conferance was very telling, when asked about the players that have been bought by Spurs he distanced himself with the use of "we" rather than "I".
Looks like many if not nearly all those players were bought in without his knowledge.
It's not a suprise but I never took him for a motivator, he's brilliant at the analytical side but lacks the man management and motivation skills which so many of their primadonna players require.
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on December 16, 2013, 11:14:17 AM
Quote from: westcliff white on December 16, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
incredible given what they allowed him to spend, just proves more than ever its a results business
Since when has it been anything but?
i agree riise just saying they spend 100 milion and don't let the team bed in, its a tough job, altho i would do it
Interesting that the two teams who have sacked their managers since Jol went both have Jol connections. I wonder if either did so because Jol is available. Probably not, but we'll see.
Have to admit, I'm a bit surprised by this...
Oh, who am I kidding.
The roundabout keeps moving.
Quote from: westcliff white on December 16, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
incredible given what they allowed him to spend, just proves more than ever its a results business
Whats the odds on Phelan getting the job.
Feel sorry for the guy. How many pl managers is that sacked pre christmas? Who's next? Hughton, allardyce??????
Allardyce is next imo
Maybe we snaffled Meulensteen just in the nick of time
They brought in how many new players? Spent all that money, we can all agree Spurs style of play definately changed for the better when AVB took over, whats the chance our "head coach" really means head coach and a new manager with reasons to beat two London clubs take over? 086.gif
I can't help but feel that Levy is a bit of a cretin.
will avb be off to west ham
Levy may be a bit of a cretin, but lets be honest the logic is pretty secure.
You can't give a manager that much talent and expect him to be competing for champions league places , just to see him get thrashed by the teams he's meant to be close to or on par with. You can't lose 6-0 one game and 5-0 another... Especially if it has been proven that lesser teams are capable of running the top teams you're being thrashed by close, even if they're playing incredibly well.
That said though, arsenal have stuck by wenger and he's getting closer and closer to getting results... That said arsene won stuff at arsenal early on.
It'll be interesting to see who they get in. There's plenty of viable candidates, but nobody really stands out.
I'd be tempted to take a punt on Pochettino.
They used to a decent club but now they're poison. They are hard nosed and short sighted. They poach players from clubs like us and ruin them.
I would love to see them struggle and end up in the bottom half at the end of the season (relegation is too much to hope for).
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 16, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
I feel for the bloke.
He's managed the two worst teams in the league to manage. The most hands-on, impatient chairmen.
Well done Levy. Can't help himself but bring in any player he likes the look of then blames the manager when he can't make a team out of them.
Nobody forced him to take the job's so I have no sympathy whatsoever especially as he will get a big pay off despite him being a failure :doh:
If he stays in English football, his career will just go downwards.
I used to like Spurs, I really did, now, I hate them, and I don't know why.
Quote from: JBH on December 16, 2013, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 16, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
I feel for the bloke.
He's managed the two worst teams in the league to manage. The most hands-on, impatient chairmen.
Well done Levy. Can't help himself but bring in any player he likes the look of then blames the manager when he can't make a team out of them.
Nobody forced him to take the job's so I have no sympathy whatsoever especially as he will get a big pay off despite him being a failure :doh:
Woudnt go as far as calling him a failure fp.gif
The team has just sold their best player in years and bought in a large number of players under the control of Levy and not AVB. I doubt anyone would do any better currently.
Quote from: cottage cheese on December 16, 2013, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: JBH on December 16, 2013, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 16, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
I feel for the bloke.
He's managed the two worst teams in the league to manage. The most hands-on, impatient chairmen.
Well done Levy. Can't help himself but bring in any player he likes the look of then blames the manager when he can't make a team out of them.
Nobody forced him to take the job's so I have no sympathy whatsoever especially as he will get a big pay off despite him being a failure :doh:
Woudnt go as far as calling him a failure fp.gif
The team has just sold their best player in years and bought in a large number of players under the control of Levy and not AVB. I doubt anyone would do any better currently.
Yes, exactly my point.
Look at their squad. A bunch of individuals and not a team.
Quote from: cottage cheese on December 16, 2013, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: JBH on December 16, 2013, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 16, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
I feel for the bloke.
He's managed the two worst teams in the league to manage. The most hands-on, impatient chairmen.
Well done Levy. Can't help himself but bring in any player he likes the look of then blames the manager when he can't make a team out of them.
Nobody forced him to take the job's so I have no sympathy whatsoever especially as he will get a big pay off despite him being a failure :doh:
Woudnt go as far as calling him a failure fp.gif
The team has just sold their best player in years and bought in a large number of players under the control of Levy and not AVB. I doubt anyone would do any better currently.
Oh please. AVB picked the teams, ran the tactics. Levy may have plucked for the players in the transfer market but ultimately its AVB's challenge to form them into a team. He started off badly and has paid the price for it. I blame the players personally but AVB can't be devoid of blame.
Side note: I think he should have been given time but with there squad, they shouldn't be conceding 4+ goals.
Quite a few Spurs folk here at work, and to a person they are saying that AVB should have been given more time, and that there is also an element of the players taking a long hard look at themselves as well as some have not been pulling their weight.
None of them were that keen when I reminded them that Martin Jol was available...
Quote from: FFC1987 on December 16, 2013, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: cottage cheese on December 16, 2013, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: JBH on December 16, 2013, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 16, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
I feel for the bloke.
He's managed the two worst teams in the league to manage. The most hands-on, impatient chairmen.
Well done Levy. Can't help himself but bring in any player he likes the look of then blames the manager when he can't make a team out of them.
Nobody forced him to take the job's so I have no sympathy whatsoever especially as he will get a big pay off despite him being a failure :doh:
Woudnt go as far as calling him a failure fp.gif
The team has just sold their best player in years and bought in a large number of players under the control of Levy and not AVB. I doubt anyone would do any better currently.
Oh please. AVB picked the teams, ran the tactics. Levy may have plucked for the players in the transfer market but ultimately its AVB's challenge to form them into a team. He started off badly and has paid the price for it. I blame the players personally but AVB can't be devoid of blame.
Side note: I think he should have been given time but with there squad, they shouldn't be conceding 4+ goals.
Im just saying he cant be seen as failure as its not like they have been relegated etc. They are a few points of 5th which to me would be a good finish for them seeing the turnaround they had in the summer. Realistically they were never going to finish above the likes of City,Arsenal,Chelsea and Liverpool so 5th/6th is not bad or a failure....
To be fair he has done a poor job this season. Much like Jol his side have often been too conservative going forward and playing a high line at the back without the required organisation. Can't really argue with his dismissal.
From what I have heard (Chelsea days) AVB managed to wind everyone up and was universally disliked. I imagine he has managed to alienate many people at Spurs and it is this that has led to his downfall with the first reduction in performance
He did spend 100 million and some were even tipping Spurs to win the league. At least top 4. Getting thrashed 6-0 and 5-0 is unacceptable
I'm sure I read somewhere that some mediocre club decided against appointing him way back when cos he used terminology that was too technical for anyone to understand. He'd likely do quite well in Italy, where tactics and meticulous detail are somethin to be admired.
ALso, dude's gotta be filthy rich after the payoffs from Chelsea and Spurs.
Unbelievably poor decision considering the poor alternatives available to them, and the fact that they overhauled the squad so radically in the summer. What manager has ever sold their best player, brought in ten new signings and had them immediately gel into a title winning side? They needed time. He's also looked impressive in the cups, and they're far from adrift in the league.
Quote from: God The Mechanic on December 16, 2013, 05:22:44 PM
I'm sure I read somewhere that some mediocre club decided against appointing him way back when cos he used terminology that was too technical for anyone to understand. He'd likely do quite well in Italy, where tactics and meticulous detail are somethin to be admired.
ALso, dude's gotta be filthy rich after the payoffs from Chelsea and Spurs.
I doubt money is what drives him in his career. After two high profile sackings since he left Porto, I reckon his reputation is more important than money at this moment in time. Of course he'll get another good job in a top league, but I doubt another top team in the Premiership will have him and any other team will be too small for him in my opinion.
Quote from: Pluto on December 16, 2013, 06:25:22 PM
Unbelievably poor decision considering the poor alternatives available to them, and the fact that they overhauled the squad so radically in the summer. What manager has ever sold their best player, brought in ten new signings and had them immediately gel into a title winning side? They needed time. He's also looked impressive in the cups, and they're far from adrift in the league.
I totally agree, but a few of my mates are Spurs fan and were even talking about not going while he's still in charge. (sound familiar?)
Jamie Redknapp was quoted to say "Having seen the team that was built - you look at Gareth Bale on the wing - and you've ended up with players who aren't in the same league." Err no sh*t Sherlock!! Only Ronaldo, Ribery or Robben would be of the same quality winger.
Quote from: Furby on December 16, 2013, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: God The Mechanic on December 16, 2013, 05:22:44 PM
I'm sure I read somewhere that some mediocre club decided against appointing him way back when cos he used terminology that was too technical for anyone to understand. He'd likely do quite well in Italy, where tactics and meticulous detail are somethin to be admired.
ALso, dude's gotta be filthy rich after the payoffs from Chelsea and Spurs.
I doubt money is what drives him in his career. After two high profile sackings since he left Porto, I reckon his reputation is more important than money at this moment in time. Of course he'll get another good job in a top league, but I doubt another top team in the Premiership will have him and any other team will be too small for him in my opinion.
Not suggesting he's driven by money, but the payoff will soften the blow :P It wouldn't surprise me if Spurs go for Conte and he ends up at Juve to replace him. Or maybe Dortmund if somehow Spurs convince Klopp to leave. I'd wager there are a fair few teams in leagues where money isn't the be all end all for success who would be willing to take him on.
In the competing narratives regarding Dempsey's departure from Fulham and later Spurs, perhaps Jol's and AVB's firings will cause some to reflect a bit more.
Not surprised by this sacking at all. Spurs are a crazy club these days. It will be interesting to see who gets the job. Hiddink and Michael Laudrup are out of the running already. Both are far too smart to touch that job.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if someone like Benitez took the job. Napoli are out of the CL and they won't win the league.
Apparently Dandy Dan thinks AVB was the problem and not Baldini. I tend to think AVB was more at fault, but Baldini has to take a decent portion of the blame unless AVB asked for 25 (or whatever the number) midfielders to be brought in.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on December 16, 2013, 09:00:06 PM
In the competing narratives regarding Dempsey's departure from Fulham and later Spurs, perhaps Jol's and AVB's firings will cause some to reflect a bit more.
Yes of course. We all forgot that once Demps leaves, all teams are a shadow of there former self without the glacticos.
