As I have never been in England to see Fulham or Craven Cottage, all I know about the expansion, is from what I read on the internet, Fulham isnt so big in Norway so on matchdays the PL studio here talks more about, bigger clubs, Everton and Cardiff, and Southampton (cus Lundekvam played there and is part of the studio now) They very rarely mention Fulham at now, squad, management, transfer rumors etc. And NEVER have I heard them mention the expansion and how it is going.
So I ask here, how is the expansion going? I read it to be finnished until opening of next season, and that during this season people will see progress, I am excited about and I am going to Cravent Cottage this season, and most likely once a year now (as I persuaded my girlfriend that all I want as christmas presants is a trip to my dear Fulham)
All I have seen of pictures is how it looked before season, and the new plans, would be fun if someone had a picture of how it is today (under progress)
I don't think any work has been started (or any start date planned). It is years away, I think. Certainly there is much to much to do before the start of the next season.
I imagine Khan will want to ensure stability in the premier league before taking any further concrete step.
But I don't really know. Good questions!
Wow ok :P cus all I read, think it was on Fulham own website that its supposed to be finnished within start of next season, damn norrwegian television, with Manu, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal only based info....
Khan won't go through with it.
Planning applications are normally approved with a proviso that the work is started within a fixed timeframe (3 years I think). If any work is going to take place on the Riverside stand, it will therefore have to be within the next 2-3 years, otherwise they'd have to submit a new planning application.
Let's wait and see...
I thought when the plans were approved they said Feb2014 as they had to wait for the tides for the pylon work need in the Thames, but although Khan on taling us ver confirmed expansion was absolutely needed for the sustainability i think like Wimbledon white he mau back out.
Apart from matches with the big teams we very rarely sell out without radically reducing prices. If we do end up being relegated we will lose alot of supporters. Therefore don't think the expansion is prudent
I'm getting less and less convinced this is going ahead.
It will be a fantastic development if it goes ahead. I am more optimistic it will, as the development increases income streams from tickets, catering, conferences etc. and therefore does contribute to the clubs longer term sustainability. It all looks amazing! GO TO THE FULHAM WEBSITE, CLICK ON STADIUM DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S ALL THERE.
I think khan will go through with the expansion as he knows it's the only way to get money out of the stadium. The problem is it seems to affect everyone around the stadium for example the rowing club. Plus we need a bigger stadium if we are to attract better players
Whether it happens at the end of this season or the next, the expansion is vital. Khan knows this and has pointed it out on a number of occasions.
Someone told me that the new stand would be built "when hell freezes over".
So you can imagine my delight at reading this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25648513 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25648513)
I do think we may have got some news a little sooner if we hadn't struggled as we have. It won't go ahead if we look like being relegated; Wolves look a touch silly starting on their way to a 45/47,000 seater and then going down. and down again.
Are there still protests from the yacht club across the river or has that now been dealt with?
What I don't understand is why the Johnny Haynes stand isn't in the frame for redevelopment. Surely it's possible to do something with it without losing the external, listed facade? That corrugated roof, the pokey capacity, restricted views. It's an embarrassment, frankly.
Its hardly an embarrassment. Its part of the charm of CC and the fact its not a rent a kit stand.
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Last I heard was that Buckingham Group, a construction firm, had signed a contract to start work in this upcoming off-season.
Then in terms of future expansion they were going to look at working on the Putney stand and potentially the Hammy End and maybe even the JH stand. That last one is difficult though because of the listed part although it is possible to build on top of it. Planning would be a nightmare to get though.
Quote from: TWFL on January 08, 2014, 05:26:18 PM
Last I heard was that Buckingham Group, a construction firm, had signed a contract to start work in this upcoming off-season.
Then in terms of future expansion they were going to look at working on the Putney stand and potentially the Hammy End and maybe even the JH stand. That last one is difficult though because of the listed part although it is possible to build on top of it. Planning would be a nightmare to get though.
I cant wait for the stand to be finished so we can lose the small club tag forever
Quote from: alfie on January 08, 2014, 05:09:01 PM
Are there still protests from the yacht club across the river or has that now been dealt with
I would have thought at the moment they would be desperate for a bit of a wind breaker
At the risk of being abused by some yet again, as I posted on here about two months ago, all development on the Riverside has been cancelled since Khan took over. My source for this information is an FFC employee. Why do you think we've heard nothing? Makes me very very suspicious about Khan's long-term plans for the club. Wonder if he knows Tony Fernandes down the road and his plans for a nice new stadium at Wormwood Scrubs (lovely), be good for a groundshare.
Quote from: Neil D on January 08, 2014, 05:20:29 PM
What I don't understand is why the Johnny Haynes stand isn't in the frame for redevelopment. Surely it's possible to do something with it without losing the external, listed facade? That corrugated roof, the pokey capacity, restricted views. It's an embarrassment, frankly.
Never happen, not just the facade but even the old wooden seats are listed and protected they tokk some out and had to put the olds ones back a while back which on the plus side also protects the ground from housing devlopers so Khan can't sell and cash in on land value which would greatly depreciate the parcel land value with a Football stand stuck at the front of it
I fully expect the development to go ahead.
As someone who attended the planning application meeting at Hammersmith Town Hall, I know the amount of effort and work which has already gone into it.
The club know we need to expand to compete, we are growing as a club all the time and the new stand will only help us expand,
I think the only possibility that it wont go ahead , is if the dreaded R word happens
Quote from: win-dup on January 08, 2014, 05:44:31 PM
At the risk of being abused by some yet again, as I posted on here about two months ago, all development on the Riverside has been cancelled since Khan took over. My source for this information is an FFC employee. Why do you think we've heard nothing? Makes me very very suspicious about Khan's long-term plans for the club. Wonder if he knows Tony Fernandes down the road and his plans for a nice new stadium at Wormwood Scrubs (lovely), be good for a groundshare.
Who's the FFC employee, can't be anyone in the real know, because that's not what I've been told. Khan has one of his own guy's employed on the project full time. Premiership status, plus 50 other niggly objections are still to be ironed out. Although planning has been granted, silly things like long term pollution, applying for permission to get materials down the Thames are still being looked into. If Khan had pulled the plug, they'd have pulled it from the website.
So in other words the info on FFC webpage is clearly missleading then? I allso found some pictures and plans from 2002 where the whole stadium where to be taken down, except the exterior of Johnny Haynes Stand. But that was allso a failure.
As a non Londoner I would allso then ask, whats the potensial for a new stadium, and I know there has been talk about a new stadium before, I think around the time I started following FFC, but if there is a potensial for a new stadium, what is the potensial capasity of it? How much can we fill up?
I know with reduced prices it can fill up easaly against non big clubs, but I know from what I read at FFC webpage, one of the ways to fund the expansion of Riverside stand was to incloude appartements in the stand etc.
But where would be a place for new statium?
How big?
Khan surely knows an expansion should be needed, but I hate that there is so little info about, allthough on the webpage it says this:
http://www.fulhamfc.com/stadium-development/planning-permission (http://www.fulhamfc.com/stadium-development/planning-permission)
Quote from: MasterHaynes on January 08, 2014, 05:53:56 PM
Quote from: Neil D on January 08, 2014, 05:20:29 PM
What I don't understand is why the Johnny Haynes stand isn't in the frame for redevelopment. Surely it's possible to do something with it without losing the external, listed facade? That corrugated roof, the pokey capacity, restricted views. It's an embarrassment, frankly.
Never happen, not just the facade but even the old wooden seats are listed and protected they tokk some out and had to put the olds ones back a while back which on the plus side also protects the ground from housing devlopers so Khan can't sell and cash in on land value which would greatly depreciate the parcel land value with a Football stand stuck at the front of it
I was under the impression that the stand isn't listed, only the stone and brick facade is?
The JohnnyHaynes stand has character and rather that than these crap stands like Readind, boro, Leicester etc have which has no character
Quote from: Admin on January 08, 2014, 06:04:32 PM
Quote from: win-dup on January 08, 2014, 05:44:31 PM
At the risk of being abused by some yet again, as I posted on here about two months ago, all development on the Riverside has been cancelled since Khan took over. My source for this information is an FFC employee. Why do you think we've heard nothing? Makes me very very suspicious about Khan's long-term plans for the club. Wonder if he knows Tony Fernandes down the road and his plans for a nice new stadium at Wormwood Scrubs (lovely), be good for a groundshare.
Who's the FFC employee, can't be anyone in the real know, because that's not what I've been told. Khan has one of his own guy's employed on the project full time. Premiership status, plus 50 other niggly objections are still to be ironed out. Although planning has been granted, silly things like long term pollution, applying for permission to get materials down the Thames are still being looked into. If Khan had pulled the plug, they'd have pulled it from the website.
I wish there was some kinf of concrete info from the club to the fans or of some sort of connection with the club and a spokes person of the fans, but to have a spokes person, I guess there would have to be an official fan club? I hate to dig out questions, and not to get answers about think, it makes me go complete Sheldon Cooper mad in my head!! :P
Quote from: K33NY on January 08, 2014, 06:06:35 PM
So in other words the info on FFC webpage is clearly missleading then? I allso found some pictures and plans from 2002 where the whole stadium where to be taken down, except the exterior of Johnny Haynes Stand. But that was allso a failure.
As a non Londoner I would allso then ask, whats the potensial for a new stadium, and I know there has been talk about a new stadium before, I think around the time I started following FFC, but if there is a potensial for a new stadium, what is the potensial capasity of it? How much can we fill up?
I know with reduced prices it can fill up easaly against non big clubs, but I know from what I read at FFC webpage, one of the ways to fund the expansion of Riverside stand was to incloude appartements in the stand etc.
But where would be a place for new statium?
How big?
Khan surely knows an expansion should be needed, but I hate that there is so little info about, allthough on the webpage it says this:
http://www.fulhamfc.com/stadium-development/planning-permission (http://www.fulhamfc.com/stadium-development/planning-permission)
K33NY, don't mean to sound rude, but any fan who supported us for at least the last 15-20 years will know that Fulham is Craven Cottage and Craven Cottage is Fulham.
If the club ever tried to move away , then like last time they will come up against stiff opposition from fans
Quote from: Neil D on January 08, 2014, 05:20:29 PM
What I don't understand is why the Johnny Haynes stand isn't in the frame for redevelopment. Surely it's possible to do something with it without losing the external, listed facade? That corrugated roof, the pokey capacity, restricted views. It's an embarrassment, frankly.
er, it's called character and history. Plus as long as it's there any non-football development would be severely thwarted and who knows when we will be in danger of oblivion again?
Quote from: Admin on January 08, 2014, 06:04:32 PM
Quote from: win-dup on January 08, 2014, 05:44:31 PM
At the risk of being abused by some yet again, as I posted on here about two months ago, all development on the Riverside has been cancelled since Khan took over. My source for this information is an FFC employee. Why do you think we've heard nothing? Makes me very very suspicious about Khan's long-term plans for the club. Wonder if he knows Tony Fernandes down the road and his plans for a nice new stadium at Wormwood Scrubs (lovely), be good for a groundshare.
Who's the FFC employee, can't be anyone in the real know, because that's not what I've been told. Khan has one of his own guy's employed on the project full time. Premiership status, plus 50 other niggly objections are still to be ironed out. Although planning has been granted, silly things like long term pollution, applying for permission to get materials down the Thames are still being looked into. If Khan had pulled the plug, they'd have pulled it from the website.
Well Admin I can only tell you what was told to me. Trust me nothing would delight me more than to be proved wrong on this. What have you heard and from whom?
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on January 08, 2014, 06:12:38 PM
Quote from: K33NY on January 08, 2014, 06:06:35 PM
So in other words the info on FFC webpage is clearly missleading then? I allso found some pictures and plans from 2002 where the whole stadium where to be taken down, except the exterior of Johnny Haynes Stand. But that was allso a failure.
As a non Londoner I would allso then ask, whats the potensial for a new stadium, and I know there has been talk about a new stadium before, I think around the time I started following FFC, but if there is a potensial for a new stadium, what is the potensial capasity of it? How much can we fill up?
I know with reduced prices it can fill up easaly against non big clubs, but I know from what I read at FFC webpage, one of the ways to fund the expansion of Riverside stand was to incloude appartements in the stand etc.
But where would be a place for new statium?
How big?
Khan surely knows an expansion should be needed, but I hate that there is so little info about, allthough on the webpage it says this:
http://www.fulhamfc.com/stadium-development/planning-permission (http://www.fulhamfc.com/stadium-development/planning-permission)
K33NY, don't mean to sound rude, but any fan who supported us for at least the last 15-20 years will know that Fulham is Craven Cottage and Craven Cottage is Fulham.
If the club ever tried to move away , then like last time they will come up against stiff opposition from fans
Ofcourse I know that I was just asking how possible would it be to happen, I wouldnt want the club to leave either, never said so either, but an owner of a club can take many decissions against fans wishes, just look at Cardiff, thats why I asked how possible it is, maybe potensial was wrong word, but im not from England so I tend to use words wrongly, sorry for that.
But what I would like to see, and what I think is best for the club is an expansion to generat income.
K33NY no need to be sorry, I understand.
I was very surprised how Cardiff fans basically rolled over to the Chairmanship demands.
Yes I understand Khan is our Chairman and he can do what he wants, but I'm sure he will have a bigger fight on his hands compared to Tan if he did try to move Fulham
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on January 08, 2014, 06:12:38 PM
Quote from: K33NY on January 08, 2014, 06:06:35 PM
So in other words the info on FFC webpage is clearly missleading then? I allso found some pictures and plans from 2002 where the whole stadium where to be taken down, except the exterior of Johnny Haynes Stand. But that was allso a failure.
As a non Londoner I would allso then ask, whats the potensial for a new stadium, and I know there has been talk about a new stadium before, I think around the time I started following FFC, but if there is a potensial for a new stadium, what is the potensial capasity of it? How much can we fill up?
I know with reduced prices it can fill up easaly against non big clubs, but I know from what I read at FFC webpage, one of the ways to fund the expansion of Riverside stand was to incloude appartements in the stand etc.
But where would be a place for new statium?
How big?
Khan surely knows an expansion should be needed, but I hate that there is so little info about, allthough on the webpage it says this:
http://www.fulhamfc.com/stadium-development/planning-permission (http://www.fulhamfc.com/stadium-development/planning-permission)
K33NY, don't mean to sound rude, but any fan who supported us for at least the last 15-20 years will know that Fulham is Craven Cottage and Craven Cottage is Fulham.
If the club ever tried to move away , then like last time they will come up against stiff opposition from fans
stiffer this time round, plus with the jags playing in London a lot it would be easy to disrupt some of their games to get our point across
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on January 08, 2014, 06:27:05 PM
K33NY no need to be sorry, I understand.
I was very surprised how Cardiff fans basically rolled over to the Chairmanship demands.
Yes I understand Khan is our Chairman and he can do what he wants, but I'm sure he will have a bigger fight on his hands compared to Tan if he did try to move Fulham
Ineed, I allso think hes smarter than that, but lets look at it this way.
If Riverside stand is to expand, wich I surely hope it does, its said to increase to 30.000 wich is a big improvement, but what about into the longer future, lets say we do well in PL, we grow in fans, wich would increase demands for more seatings over time, how possible is it to increase the other stands? Isnt it a big debate about the surrounding lands not owned by Fulham? To me it looks very difficult should it be a must in the future, again, I dont know much about this and the neighbours of Fulham etc.
Damn I ask so many questions sometimes.... -.-
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on January 08, 2014, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: MasterHaynes on January 08, 2014, 05:53:56 PM
Quote from: Neil D on January 08, 2014, 05:20:29 PM
What I don't understand is why the Johnny Haynes stand isn't in the frame for redevelopment. Surely it's possible to do something with it without losing the external, listed facade? That corrugated roof, the pokey capacity, restricted views. It's an embarrassment, frankly.
Never happen, not just the facade but even the old wooden seats are listed and protected they tokk some out and had to put the olds ones back a while back which on the plus side also protects the ground from housing devlopers so Khan can't sell and cash in on land value which would greatly depreciate the parcel land value with a Football stand stuck at the front of it
I was under the impression that the stand isn't listed, only the stone and brick facade is?
The JohnnyHaynes stand has character and rather that than these crap stands like Readind, boro, Leicester etc have which has no character
Pretty sure your right because the 30K stand planned by MAF had a new roof and new seats
I'm wondering if a delay could be caused by the discussions about reintroducing standing.
If so, I'm not sure how much that would increase the capacity even if it was as before
'only' the Hammersmith and Putney ends and the Enclosure in the JH stand.
But if that increase the capacity to even 30-35K then they may consider that enough.
I remember as a young lad some 52 years ago (ish) seing Man Utd at CC in a fantastic atmosphere
(I think we lost 3-0)
I was stuck right in the bottom corner of what is now the Riverside.
I'm wondering what the crowd size was that night and what the capacity has been in the past
bearing in mind the forerunner to the Riverside (if I remember correctly) used to be all standing.
It seems so long ago, even the old 4th division days with 3-4K at home and 50 + a dog at away games.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on January 08, 2014, 08:25:08 PM
I'm wondering if a delay could be caused by the discussions about reintroducing standing.
That will have nothing to do with it.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on January 08, 2014, 08:25:08 PM
I'm wondering if a delay could be caused by the discussions about reintroducing standing.
If so, I'm not sure how much that would increase the capacity even if it was as before
'only' the Hammersmith and Putney ends and the Enclosure in the JH stand.
But if that increase the capacity to even 30-35K then they may consider that enough.
I remember as a young lad some 52 years ago (ish) seing Man Utd at CC in a fantastic atmosphere
(I think we lost 3-0)
I was stuck right in the bottom corner of what is now the Riverside.
I'm wondering what the crowd size was that night and what the capacity has been in the past
bearing in mind the forerunner to the Riverside (if I remember correctly) used to be all standing.
It seems so long ago, even the old 4th division days with 3-4K at home and 50 + a dog at away games.
Without looking them up, there were certainly several 40K+ crowds when Utd came to town.
If standing is going to be reintroduced it will be "safe standing" where each row basically has a bar behind it with a lock down or lock up seat so the capacity will never be what it used to be when it was just bare terracing with the odd crush barrier.
Quote from: Scrumpy on January 08, 2014, 09:31:15 PM
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on January 08, 2014, 08:25:08 PM
I'm wondering if a delay could be caused by the discussions about reintroducing standing.
If so, I'm not sure how much that would increase the capacity even if it was as before
'only' the Hammersmith and Putney ends and the Enclosure in the JH stand.
But if that increase the capacity to even 30-35K then they may consider that enough.
I remember as a young lad some 52 years ago (ish) seing Man Utd at CC in a fantastic atmosphere
(I think we lost 3-0)
I was stuck right in the bottom corner of what is now the Riverside.
I'm wondering what the crowd size was that night and what the capacity has been in the past
bearing in mind the forerunner to the Riverside (if I remember correctly) used to be all standing.
It seems so long ago, even the old 4th division days with 3-4K at home and 50 + a dog at away games.
Without looking them up, there were certainly several 40K+ crowds when Utd came to town.
if i remember the number rightly we had around 47,500 for a game against man utd in the 1960s. i do not think post war we have had a greater crowd than that
Just wanna hear some news on it, whether it's to go ahead or not.... The frustration of not knowing if it's going to happen of not is killing me!!
Either way, as fans/supporters we really need to know what's going on!?
Panning out from the question of which employee may have said what to whom, some general points include these...
1) If we are relegated we won't fill our current capacity. Meanwhile in the prem, with every new broadcasting deal, the proportion of income earned by extra attendees has become less and less significant (for clubs in general). To move to double attendances, as Arsenal did, would be one thing if feasible (find the site from somewhere, build the stadium, fill it...). To relocate to raise numbers by a few thousand would in the overall scheme of things have vastly less point than three TV deals ago.
2) The relative importance of numbers of attendees may have declined in the past decade, but that hasn't altered the point of being able to increase attendee spend, through offering better facilities, especially for corporates. The Riverside plan is primarily geared to that, taking advantage of a scenic position that no other club possesses. i.e. it's not just about numbers, but properly exploiting an existing asset -- those Thameside views which the existing stand turns its back on.
3) It's not sinister that the work hasn't started yet, for the reasons given by Admin on p.2 of this thread. Planning permission listed over 90 different actions that had to be taken before commencement, many of them detailed plans that needed to be agreed with council officials.
4) Khan has publicly stated his commitment to this scheme, unambiguously. If he changes his tune or we are still having this conversation a year from now, then that is different. But no current reason to view either possibility as a probability.
Quote from: Luffy86 on January 08, 2014, 09:55:47 PM
Just wanna hear some news on it, whether it's to go ahead or not.... The frustration of not knowing if it's going to happen of not is killing me!!
Either way, as fans/supporters we really need to know what's going on!?
Deffinetly, the not knowing and lack of solid informations is quite annoying tbh...
At the end of the day the ground is not premier league standard and sadly the whole ground needs to be modernised or other wise we are going to get left behind, we cannot move forward or survive how we are now, eventually we will get over taken by other clubs which is happening, look at all the clubs who are around our level or trying to get into our mini league (exclude the top 8 in the premier league) and its getting very competitive now.
I am really surprised the club have let it go this long, because it needs to happen.
and if kahn wants to build the brand we need crowds of at least 35,000....long term....
Just want to be taken more seriously as a football club instead of "nice quiet little old Fulham".
Quote from: Adam87 on January 09, 2014, 12:22:04 AM
At the end of the day the ground is not premier league standard and sadly the whole ground needs to be modernised or other wise we are going to get left behind, we cannot move forward or survive how we are now, eventually we will get over taken by other clubs which is happening, look at all the clubs who are around our level or trying to get into our mini league (exclude the top 8 in the premier league) and its getting very competitive now.
I am really surprised the club have let it go this long, because it needs to happen.
and if kahn wants to build the brand we need crowds of at least 35,000....long term....
So true, allthoug many has said Craven Cottage is one of the most personal and most atmosphered stadiums you can go to, heard it so many times, but expansion is needed for a club to grow. But I 100% want it to stay at the Cottage!
I think at least 90% of us wanted to stay and the club don't really have a choice, look at how much of a struggle its been for qpr, Chelsea and spurs to find space to build a stadium.
Everything with out stadium seems to be taking forever and I know many supporters are doubting weather anything is going to happen at all.
But I hope the chairman has looked at the ground and realised that the amount of work that needs to be done.
One positive is that he is an American and Americans love their modern stadiums and like everything to look great - don't ask me why, but you can see the new stadiums they build all over the country are just fantastic to look at. Hopefully over the next 5 years there will be some serious progress because like everyone here im desperate for us not to get held up any longer in the progression of the club.
I really do feel we will get out of this relegation battle, I think things are clicking for us at just the right time, but January signings will have a big say if we can get in a couple of 1st team players with quality.
But we must invest in the club, the academy is now as good as its ever going to get, probably the best in the country right now so the training ground and stadium and squad need investment before its too late.
Quote from: Adam87 on January 09, 2014, 01:41:47 AM
I think at least 90% of us wanted to stay and the club don't really have a choice, look at how much of a struggle its been for qpr, Chelsea and spurs to find space to build a stadium.
Everything with out stadium seems to be taking forever and I know many supporters are doubting weather anything is going to happen at all.
But I hope the chairman has looked at the ground and realised that the amount of work that needs to be done.
One positive is that he is an American and Americans love their modern stadiums and like everything to look great - don't ask me why, but you can see the new stadiums they build all over the country are just fantastic to look at. Hopefully over the next 5 years there will be some serious progress because like everyone here im desperate for us not to get held up any longer in the progression of the club.
I really do feel we will get out of this relegation battle, I think things are clicking for us at just the right time, but January signings will have a big say if we can get in a couple of 1st team players with quality.
But we must invest in the club, the academy is now as good as its ever going to get, probably the best in the country right now so the training ground and stadium and squad need investment before its too late.
don't agree with that. surely 90% of us didn't want mo tell sell the cottage. and don't you believe for one second that the bttc campaign (as excellent as it was) was the reason that mo didn't go through with it. if he could have sold the cottage, rehoused us and a made a profit he would have.
Capacity is less important than 24/7 use.
I've been behind the scenes at Reading and Sunderland. They have shops, bars, conference and function facilities, hotels etc all with ample parking. Our site is too small for this.
We can expand and use the river view but there'll never be the parking availability to properly use the facilities through the week. In terms of matchday revenue an extra 10,000 seats equates to an extra income of maybe £10M a year IF all those seats are sold every game. Factor in the cost of creating that extra capacity and of course the profit would take some years to arrive and that all depends on us selling those seats regularly.
It's what you can do with the stadium on non match days that matters.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 09, 2014, 09:13:31 AM
I've been behind the scenes at Reading and Sunderland. They have shops, bars, conference and function facilities, hotels etc all with ample parking. Our site is too small for this.
True, and it's indeed a bigger drawback than the limited scope for more seats. On the other hand, if you look at the overall income streams of the clubs you name, these facilities bring in less than one might think. And Bolton have oodles of such things and are in big financial trouble.
What the Riverside proposition does offer -- and similar at the Putney End would too -- is the chance for corporate and premium matchday facilities that `leverage' the special views. Within a 30k-ish capacity there'd be much greater matchday spend. There'd still be a long payoff time needed on the investment, but the capital value of the place would meanwhile have increased, it wouldn't be money down the drain. You'd need the cash to finance it, but if that were to hand, why not?
Quote from: fulhamben on January 09, 2014, 02:45:31 AM
if he could have sold the cottage, rehoused us and a made a profit he would have.
Maybe, we'll never know, but you are right in implying that it would be an extremely tall order for any owner nowadays to do that even if they wished to. While not literally impossible, it would require a whole series of things to fall into place, some of them unlikely, and would even in that case take years and huge hassle to achieve. The owner would need to be highly motivated in that direction.
Quote from: TWFL on January 08, 2014, 05:26:18 PM
Last I heard was that Buckingham Group, a construction firm, had signed a contract to start work in this upcoming off-season.
Then in terms of future expansion they were going to look at working on the Putney stand and potentially the Hammy End and maybe even the JH stand. That last one is difficult though because of the listed part although it is possible to build on top of it. Planning would be a nightmare to get though.
the johnny haynes would have been completely replaced (except for the facade) under the Al fayed 30,000 total redevelopment plans
Quote from: Neil D on January 08, 2014, 05:20:29 PM
What I don't understand is why the Johnny Haynes stand isn't in the frame for redevelopment. Surely it's possible to do something with it without losing the external, listed facade? That corrugated roof, the pokey capacity, restricted views. It's an embarrassment, frankly.
Its a listed building?
I was curious to see the listings and found these:
The granstand - and not only the facade is listed: http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1079754 (http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1079754)
This - I think - is the cottage itself: http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1358582 (http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1358582)
Quote from: b+w geezer on January 09, 2014, 09:47:35 AM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 09, 2014, 09:13:31 AM
I've been behind the scenes at Reading and Sunderland. They have shops, bars, conference and function facilities, hotels etc all with ample parking. Our site is too small for this.
True, and it's indeed a bigger drawback than the limited scope for more seats. On the other hand, if you look at the overall income streams of the clubs you name, these facilities bring in less than one might think. And Bolton have oodles of such things and are in big financial trouble.
What the Riverside proposition does offer -- and similar at the Putney End would too -- is the chance for corporate and premium matchday facilities that `leverage' the special views. Within a 30k-ish capacity there'd be much greater matchday spend. There'd still be a long payoff time needed on the investment, but the capital value of the place would meanwhile have increased, it wouldn't be money down the drain. You'd need the cash to finance it, but if that were to hand, why not?
Quote from: fulhamben on January 09, 2014, 02:45:31 AM
if he could have sold the cottage, rehoused us and a made a profit he would have.
Maybe, we'll never know, but you are right in implying that it would be an extremely tall order for any owner nowadays to do that even if they wished to. While not literally impossible, it would require a whole series of things to fall into place, some of them unlikely, and would even in that case take years and huge hassle to achieve. The owner would need to be highly motivated in that direction.
ever since the disgraceful FA decision to let Wimbledon move to Milton Keynes, no club is really safe from rapacious owners. I just don't trust Khan - an absentee owner, with absolutely no interest whatsoever in Fulham fc apart from a financial one. And yes, eternally grateful though we should all be to Mo, there is no doubt we would now have been playing at some soulless concrete dump at White City if he could have pulled it off financially. I just have a bad feeling that we are ultimately part of QPR's new stadium plans as a groundshare. Proof? no. Gut feeling? yes.
Quote from: win-dup on January 09, 2014, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: b+w geezer on January 09, 2014, 09:47:35 AM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 09, 2014, 09:13:31 AM
I've been behind the scenes at Reading and Sunderland. They have shops, bars, conference and function facilities, hotels etc all with ample parking. Our site is too small for this.
True, and it's indeed a bigger drawback than the limited scope for more seats. On the other hand, if you look at the overall income streams of the clubs you name, these facilities bring in less than one might think. And Bolton have oodles of such things and are in big financial trouble.
What the Riverside proposition does offer -- and similar at the Putney End would too -- is the chance for corporate and premium matchday facilities that `leverage' the special views. Within a 30k-ish capacity there'd be much greater matchday spend. There'd still be a long payoff time needed on the investment, but the capital value of the place would meanwhile have increased, it wouldn't be money down the drain. You'd need the cash to finance it, but if that were to hand, why not?
Quote from: fulhamben on January 09, 2014, 02:45:31 AM
if he could have sold the cottage, rehoused us and a made a profit he would have.
Maybe, we'll never know, but you are right in implying that it would be an extremely tall order for any owner nowadays to do that even if they wished to. While not literally impossible, it would require a whole series of things to fall into place, some of them unlikely, and would even in that case take years and huge hassle to achieve. The owner would need to be highly motivated in that direction.
ever since the disgraceful FA decision to let Wimbledon move to Milton Keynes, no club is really safe from rapacious owners. I just don't trust Khan - an absentee owner, with absolutely no interest whatsoever in Fulham fc apart from a financial one. And yes, eternally grateful though we should all be to Mo, there is no doubt we would now have been playing at some soulless concrete dump at White City if he could have pulled it off financially. I just have a bad feeling that we are ultimately part of QPR's new stadium plans as a groundshare. Proof? no. Gut feeling? yes.
As you are honest enough to say, you are guessing. The groundshare proposition is a longer term possibility than the Riverside expansion, so the latter will provide a test that Khan will be unable to duck. If it goes ahead, your guess looks much less likely, whereas if it doesn't then the reverse will apply. For that reason we will all be on firmer ground before long.
Quote from: TheManOnTheBus on January 09, 2014, 10:30:59 AM
I was curious to see the listings and found these:
The granstand - and not only the facade is listed: http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1079754 (http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1079754)
This - I think - is the cottage itself: http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1358582 (http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1358582)
Interesting links. Thanks. As you say, the whole stand is listed - including all that lovely combustible 'ye olde' wood. In another 60 years, the Riverside stand will also be 100 years old. Maybe we should list that now.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 09, 2014, 09:13:31 AM
Capacity is less important than 24/7 use.
I've been behind the scenes at Reading and Sunderland. They have shops, bars, conference and function facilities, hotels etc all with ample parking. Our site is too small for this.
We can expand and use the river view but there'll never be the parking availability to properly use the facilities through the week. In terms of matchday revenue an extra 10,000 seats equates to an extra income of maybe £10M a year IF all those seats are sold every game. Factor in the cost of creating that extra capacity and of course the profit would take some years to arrive and that all depends on us selling those seats regularly.
It's what you can do with the stadium on non match days that matters.
Reading and Sunderland don't have a tube system. I've been going to the cottage since 76 and I've never driven once
